@MarkDenneyPhoto I don't use photoshop and to make the need to use photoshop less than ever, I agree the lack of this tool was (not anymore) the biggest flaw. Now I just wish I could do HDR photo merge on my mobile device.
@MarkDenneyPhoto Thank you for your videos BTW, always helpful. The other big improvement with the last update is being able to make multiple selections and then apply the remove - great time saver for small fixes.
dust removal always hard! But have you ever seen a big blob faintly, that is dust or something on the back of your lens. Just to remind clean your lens rear glass before attaching. The front is not so much a problem except fogging up and that will take some time for your lens to adjust to.
Happy to see it! I do give Lightroom a chance to remove objects, but still often have to edit in Photoshop to get it done better. It's like Adobe has a Photoshop kingdom and a Lightroom kingdom, and they refuse to share their code with each other. It's a shame, because their overall product offering would be better if they would just work together.
You mention breaking large areas up into smaller chunks and having more success removing that way. I find that every time I try this, it replaces a smaller section with something similar to the remaining areas of the object rather than removing it. It certainly evaluates the selected area as well as the surrounding areas when generating the replacement, so it makes sense it is going to evaluate other parts of the object and include them in the "removed" area if you are only selecting part of an "object."
Nice video Mark. It's definitely improved. I used it to remove two small posts and a blurred figure behind a fence in the background of a long exposure shot a few days ago and was impressed by how well it did it.
I see a bit of a flaw in this... in that there is no need for LR to change the trees to remove the cloud! Ideally wouldn't the program keep the image as authentic as possible consistent with the intent of removing the cloud?
This is what I noticed and immediately thought "wow, that feature is not impressive at all". Especially if it supposedly detects objects, then it should leave said objects as they were.
Mark this tool has saved me countless hours flipping to PS to fix things! It has a major flaw if you have cropped your image before removing distractions from the edge. It will keep rebuilding the object as the object still exist outside the the non destructive crop in Lightroom. This took me hours to understand as sometimes it was flawless and sometimes horrendous. You want to remove edge distractions before cropping! Else wise you have to un crop it and re crop it. If you send to PS to remove PS can’t see outside the crop and will remove it perfectly as well.
Second! I couldn't resist either I try to stay away from generative AI stuff in my photography, just because of the huge invasion of the technology, its getting hard to decifer what is authentic or not nowadays... I shoot mainly birds, so it might have some differences compared to landscape when it comes to removing objects and such. It really is crazy what it can do now though... Great vid!
The biggest things to remove are airplane light trails in night images, little colored lights dots in the trail but a meteor has no dots just a great add in a long exposure of even a second or two. Also those high flying birds that look like dust spots. I went back to some of my old 2015 MW images where I was capturing on an island beach where the sky is full of plane traffic the hardest to remove is the ones flying high and behind a driftwood tree (no leaves) so between and behind limbs getting just close enough to a limb on one side and the other THIS removal tool is great, astro capture will be great now! I wounder how it will do elongated car trails unwanted like doing a panorama next to a road and a 20 second image and it the trail goes by on the side of that one image, I have had to redo a capture several times due to traffic also. I will have to go back and check I save all images good or bad you will never know when a editing tool will come along!
The biggest flaw is still, that the generative fill is ignoring the current images boarders. So if you want to remove something on the edge and the image is already croped, it generates something that matches to the invisible part.
"Fixed" cause what it does now is that when you click on the remove tool, it shows the whole image and you can select the whole thing you want to remove past the crop borders, once applied it keeps your crop
I wish they'd make a basic spotting tool that just does sensor dust that you can do once, then auto click onto every image and have it save that time...but unique to each selected image... like you can do lens profile corrections...
I found jumping ship, regarding remove/clone/erase-tool in Adobe at all, was the best thing to do. There's far better and simpler ways to do this with other providers. But seeing Adobe finally getting LRc some needed att. are giving me hopes. Photographers are not meant to be software specialists. I think Adobe still haven't got their head around that. LRc just need to be fixed properly. Old legacy bugs, as well as new features.
Lightroom’s biggest flaw is that it is not quick to switch between photos compared to other programs. This makes going through picture to cull/ pick your best images take ages… especially when you want to quickly zoom into the details to check focus. It’s slow at the bit we all hate.
What is the current status of Adobe's legal language that _was_ claiming effective co-ownership of any image altered using the generative AI tools? As for the tools themselves, they have been improved noticeably, but I typically find that a close look at the image after treatment reveals flaws that would catch the eye of many observers.
I don't find Photoshop's remove/heal tools to be much better. But I mostly use LRC. Why, when using the clone tool, is it not cloning exactly but often pulling from other areas? Doesn't make any sense to me. Why, when using Remove, does it do a great job but at the end of where I clicked it leaves something there? Maddening. I did use the Generative AI remove today for the first time, in LRC, and it seemed to work a little better.
Modifying a picture after it was taken has always been a part of photography. And as always - especially in every arts form: there is no sharp line that separates one thing (photographer) from another one (digital artist). Borders are blurred, moving or sometimes just not there. And why should it be any other way? Cooperate, don't segregate!
@@JustinBradleyPhotographer I’m an unknown photographer, without the authority to make definitive judgments-especially when it comes to the darkroom of Ansel Adams. I’m simply trying to understand why his photographs hold such greater value than ours, despite the fact that we have access to some of the best tricks in the history of photography
Regarding AI, when does a photograph stop becoming a photograph? This video shows the line is fine. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with such heavy image manipulation.
✅ QUICK QUESTION: Do you agree this has been Lightroom’s biggest flaw?
For sure, I feel like the LrC remove tools have always been almost a joke compared to Photoshop.
@MarkDenneyPhoto I don't use photoshop and to make the need to use photoshop less than ever, I agree the lack of this tool was (not anymore) the biggest flaw. Now I just wish I could do HDR photo merge on my mobile device.
@MarkDenneyPhoto Thank you for your videos BTW, always helpful. The other big improvement with the last update is being able to make multiple selections and then apply the remove - great time saver for small fixes.
This is a flaw, but if LR allowed me to delete items in a smart collection from disk I'd pay an extra $10/year in a heartbeat.
dust removal always hard! But have you ever seen a big blob faintly, that is dust or something on the back of your lens. Just to remind clean your lens rear glass before attaching. The front is not so much a problem except fogging up and that will take some time for your lens to adjust to.
lol, "and now we have a mountain on top of a tree" That pretty much summarizes my experience trying to remove objects from photos in Lightroom.
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Happy to see it! I do give Lightroom a chance to remove objects, but still often have to edit in Photoshop to get it done better. It's like Adobe has a Photoshop kingdom and a Lightroom kingdom, and they refuse to share their code with each other. It's a shame, because their overall product offering would be better if they would just work together.
You mention breaking large areas up into smaller chunks and having more success removing that way. I find that every time I try this, it replaces a smaller section with something similar to the remaining areas of the object rather than removing it. It certainly evaluates the selected area as well as the surrounding areas when generating the replacement, so it makes sense it is going to evaluate other parts of the object and include them in the "removed" area if you are only selecting part of an "object."
Fairly impressive. I had never used LR remove tool because I considered it useless and usually sent the photo to PS to remove distractions.
Nice video Mark. It's definitely improved. I used it to remove two small posts and a blurred figure behind a fence in the background of a long exposure shot a few days ago and was impressed by how well it did it.
Thank you!
I see a bit of a flaw in this... in that there is no need for LR to change the trees to remove the cloud! Ideally wouldn't the program keep the image as authentic as possible consistent with the intent of removing the cloud?
This is what I noticed and immediately thought "wow, that feature is not impressive at all". Especially if it supposedly detects objects, then it should leave said objects as they were.
Thank you for another well produced and helpful video.
Glad to do it my friend!
Thanks Mark! I’ve been using this since its release. I agree it’s getting better and it’s really tough Photoshop is my go to.
Agreed! Not as good as Photoshop yet but definitely the best it’s ever been👍
Mark this tool has saved me countless hours flipping to PS to fix things! It has a major flaw if you have cropped your image before removing distractions from the edge. It will keep rebuilding the object as the object still exist outside the the non destructive crop in Lightroom. This took me hours to understand as sometimes it was flawless and sometimes horrendous. You want to remove edge distractions before cropping! Else wise you have to un crop it and re crop it. If you send to PS to remove PS can’t see outside the crop and will remove it perfectly as well.
Thanks for the info.Thats a beatiful place. I was there the first week of October. And the colors were excellent
That was my first visit to the mill - amazing location!
Thank you for sharing. Btw, I always love your vintage gadgets in the frame. Wish I kept some of that stuff..
You and me both!
Thanks for sharing. I have used this tool and it works great. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks again for sharing.
Thanks Jim!
I will give this new feature a shot to see how it works.. Thanks for the tutorial on this.
Glad to do it!
Thanks!
Fantastic! Thanks...
Glad you liked it!
I am going to try it, thanks
Wizardry. Happy Halloween! 🤓
Same to you🎃
Second! I couldn't resist either
I try to stay away from generative AI stuff in my photography, just because of the huge invasion of the technology, its getting hard to decifer what is authentic or not nowadays...
I shoot mainly birds, so it might have some differences compared to landscape when it comes to removing objects and such.
It really is crazy what it can do now though...
Great vid!
The biggest things to remove are airplane light trails in night images, little colored lights dots in the trail but a meteor has no dots just a great add in a long exposure of even a second or two. Also those high flying birds that look like dust spots. I went back to some of my old 2015 MW images where I was capturing on an island beach where the sky is full of plane traffic the hardest to remove is the ones flying high and behind a driftwood tree (no leaves) so between and behind limbs getting just close enough to a limb on one side and the other THIS removal tool is great, astro capture will be great now! I wounder how it will do elongated car trails unwanted like doing a panorama next to a road and a 20 second image and it the trail goes by on the side of that one image, I have had to redo a capture several times due to traffic also. I will have to go back and check I save all images good or bad you will never know when a editing tool will come along!
The biggest flaw is still, that the generative fill is ignoring the current images boarders. So if you want to remove something on the edge and the image is already croped, it generates something that matches to the invisible part.
Is there some reason to crop before using generative remove?
@noscamiam not specifically. It's just my workflow I am used to.
@@noscamiam It's possible to notice more details once cropped. Sometimes prompting the removal of artifacts. It happens to me several times per week.
They' ve "fixed" this in Camera Raw very recently, don't know why didn't implement to LR as well, let's just hope that it will come quickly
"Fixed" cause what it does now is that when you click on the remove tool, it shows the whole image and you can select the whole thing you want to remove past the crop borders, once applied it keeps your crop
I wish they'd make a basic spotting tool that just does sensor dust that you can do once, then auto click onto every image and have it save that time...but unique to each selected image... like you can do lens profile corrections...
I found jumping ship, regarding remove/clone/erase-tool in Adobe at all, was the best thing to do. There's far better and simpler ways to do this with other providers. But seeing Adobe finally getting LRc some needed att. are giving me hopes. Photographers are not meant to be software specialists. I think Adobe still haven't got their head around that. LRc just need to be fixed properly. Old legacy bugs, as well as new features.
Now we just need generative extend in LR!
Adobe Stock requires me to indicate if AI was used in an uploaded image. Will using the new generative remove tool require this to be indicated?????
What is meant by generative AI anyway. Does it include Denoise AI or any edits done by, say, Topaz AI from within Lightroom?
This is definitely AI generation
Hey, Mark. Look over your left shoulder. I used the Remove tool and your clock is now missing. LOL
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Lightroom’s biggest flaw is that it is not quick to switch between photos compared to other programs. This makes going through picture to cull/ pick your best images take ages… especially when you want to quickly zoom into the details to check focus. It’s slow at the bit we all hate.
Use fast raw viewer!
What is the current status of Adobe's legal language that _was_ claiming effective co-ownership of any image altered using the generative AI tools? As for the tools themselves, they have been improved noticeably, but I typically find that a close look at the image after treatment reveals flaws that would catch the eye of many observers.
Cool. What version of LR are you using. My interface looks a little bit different...
Make sure you are using Lightroom Classic instead of Lightroom CC
Lightroom Classic
Adobe's biggest flaw is the subscription pricing model. Just sayin'.
...always enjoy your content, but I'm glitching on the VHS cassette, Gameboy and flip phone parked on your desk. Nice touch }:-\
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I don't find Photoshop's remove/heal tools to be much better. But I mostly use LRC. Why, when using the clone tool, is it not cloning exactly but often pulling from other areas? Doesn't make any sense to me. Why, when using Remove, does it do a great job but at the end of where I clicked it leaves something there? Maddening. I did use the Generative AI remove today for the first time, in LRC, and it seemed to work a little better.
Hi Mark, have you a video showing how this sort of thing is done in Photoshop?
No I havent
The issue that remains is the resolution of AI generations are still quite low. They look good on the screen until you zoom in.
Not an issue under normal circumstances, but a very big problem if you are making a large print of the photo for sure.
Am I the only one who noticed the gameboy on the desk??
Whats that little dark spot just above the cloud at about 1 or 2 o'clock, I had those on my photos? Oh' but what causes a sensor spot?
It’s usually dust or something similar that lands on your sensor when changing lenses.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto thanks
What’s the difference between modifying 5% of an image and 50%? Where's the line that separates photographers from digital artists?
Curoius, how would you define Ansel Adams and where would you draw the line with his darkroom tricks?
Modifying a picture after it was taken has always been a part of photography. And as always - especially in every arts form: there is no sharp line that separates one thing (photographer) from another one (digital artist). Borders are blurred, moving or sometimes just not there. And why should it be any other way? Cooperate, don't segregate!
Landscape photography is closer to landscape painting where how the artist saw the scene is more important than carbon copying the scene.
I feel defining the width of that line would have
value as much as defining its exact position....
@@JustinBradleyPhotographer I’m an unknown photographer, without the authority to make definitive judgments-especially when it comes to the darkroom of Ansel Adams. I’m simply trying to understand why his photographs hold such greater value than ours, despite the fact that we have access to some of the best tricks in the history of photography
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Biggest flaw? I thought you were talking about the face detection function.
The $64,000 Question: how well does the new object detect feature work without generative AI?
Not as good..as expected
Do you miss the 4:3 native ratio yet?
Not as much as I first thought I would - guess I just got used to not having it
The fact that it's an adobe product?
Speed....?
Mark, which model of the MacBook you are currently using to edit your photos?
M2
First! Lol couldnt resist
Regarding AI, when does a photograph stop becoming a photograph? This video shows the line is fine. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with such heavy image manipulation.
Adobe's sticker box, do not like it at all, it's all a big fake.
But it still leaves that ugly AI texture...
Yep sometimes it sure does
You are cloud phobic cloud hater man, cloud community of pro cloud activists wouldn’t approve you removing clouds🥴
Hahhaha never!