I live in Alberta and I’m all in on this one. It’s time for us to start distancing ourselves from Ottawa we are being trampled in this province and it’s time to stop this BS now
@dianelowe7877 I mutually respect you too, I’m 28 and never met a person from East Canada in person who has showed anything but vitriol or disrespect for my homeland. I appreciate this.
@@JamesBond-su7hj yes but why does alberta have to give Quebec equalization payments up to 14 billion EVERY FKN YEAR!…if you think alberta cannot survive without Canada you are badly mistaken!…that 20 billion that we give to eastern Canada every year says we DONT NEED YOU …YOU NEED US TO SURVIVE!
@@dianedyck3474Quebec always had subsidies longer than any other province. They had cheaper childcare rates longer than any other province. Second if a province wants to leave Canada then go ahead. It’s up to that province to create there own currency, their own health care, and other necessities to help people live in that province will be on there own So essentially that province would collapse. Take a look at Quebec many years ago when they tried to separate all the big banks and big companies moved to Toronto because they don’t want to take that chance and suffer consequences.
@@demetriuskoitsopoulos8672 well we have oil and we won’t collapse but Canada will not have the lifestyle the eastern elites have become accustomed to…Quebec will suffer the mist …no more equaluzation for all those first you have now!
Don't sound so pouty all the time. To me the 'general feeling of unfairness' tells me that they just want to be mad tell me Albertan to Albertan what you are mad about and don''t say transfer payments, I am sick of it.
Pppffffttttt........bunch of babies in Alberta! Alberta was in a recession before Trudeau, but have NO problem blaming Trudeau for ALL their ills....freaking joke!
It's about time there was a leader that's not afraid to start taking this joke of a country apart! Smith is that leader! As Alberta continues to gain strength, even against the will and policies of the clown show (aka the governing liberals and the PM Justine) it is becoming clearer that the ROC needs Alberta and it's revenues more than Alberta needs the ROC! Keep up the great work Premier Smith!
if you think our country is a joke why don't you leave, go to China or Russia or North Korea see if you have a better life there!!! The only joke is you thinking some pigs are more important then the rest of the animals on the farm...if you don't know what that means get educated!
Freeland is opposed to Alberta's exit from CPP at least partly on the "CPP is one of Canada's crown jewels" sentiment. Freeland's opposition is a definite plus for exit.
So, you admire liars, eh? Don't forget during the last election, she said she would NOT touch pensions. She said it at a time when this LifeWorks company was being paid to write this fantasy report. She is a liar and is pandering to a group of people who are uneducated mouth breathers.
Sure, they could leave and do it on their own. But if they think they can take OVER half of all other provinces assets in the fund - good fucking luck! In other words, it's not going to happen. Alberta knows this. So they are posturing for some other ASK from the rest of the country, or in other words, from the federal government.
As an ontarian I am worried about this however, if we had been abused like Ottawa has abused Alberta I could understand why they want out. Ottawa has refused to recognize how important the west is to our country but bends over backward to appease Quebec. I think Alberta leaving is a terrible outcome but completely understandable given the trudeau families hatred toward them and Ottawa's willingness to mistreat them.😮
They block 90% of beneficial pipeline projects to move gas from western Canada to the world attacks on farmers using fertilizer you are living in a bubble K
What???? Alberta thinks it's entitled to HALF of what's in CPP.....personally, I wish they'd leave Canada altogether. The _REAL_ engine of Canada is Ontario. Alberta has 1/3 the population of Ontario...do the math(not even counting Qweebec here), how much have they contributed to the entire pot,& why o why do they think they deserve HALF???!!! They came to Ottawa, organizing the Freedumb Convoy, wreak all kinds of havoc to the citizens of Ottawa, then crawl back to their sand dunes and claim victimhood. I got no use for the Alberta mindset. They should lobby to become the 51st state. Northern Texans they be indeed. _They,_ need Ontario, not the other way around. Ontario is a very powerful economy, plenty of industry, we're almost a mini-country on our own. We need Alberta like we need another round of Trudeau in office. I even read about somebody from Calgary complaining how Ontarians, moving there, are making it like Toronto, lol... driving too crazy for that person, lol...saying 'wait until winter'.....??? like Toronto doesn't get snow..... Albertans have the presence of mind like a Trump supporter, lol
Alberta is the worlds biggest producer of canola, the third biggest producer of grain, the biggest producer of peas, our oil fields are the worlds safest and most environmentally friendly and we have recently become aware of a lake of lithium under that oil. Alberta would thrive if it were not for the Government PARASITES.
@@virginiamargaretjean2239and if we can get Saskatchewan to join us, we'd be also talking massive amounts of potash, uranium, and the other half of the breadbasket of Canada.
Try thinking about something else for a while. Your 'we' is not all of us. I was talking to a very intelligent man one day and he figured you might get about a third of the province, if you got that.
The key is to invite all commies and other oxygen wasters to find an ocean and peacefully swim away. I reccomend a Northern Ocean. I'm sure Hudson's Bay is lovely this time of year. Alternatively, patriotic Albertans could just arrest the commies and oxygen wasters for treason and sentence them to summary capital punishment. @@evasartorius9528
Speak for yourself, mate. I love it in Alberta, and most of us want nothing more than Alberta to remain a part of a whole Canada. It doesn't help when you have separatist nutjobs like our premier inventive nonsensical narratives so she can pretend to be queen of her own country. Alberta is not a country. It is a province of one and shall remain so.
They are only a contributor because of the resources. If they leave they won’t be allow to keep what makes them rich. They are stupid if they think that’s the case. They will be a land locked poor country dependent on the rest of Canada.
Quebec never joined in the beginning, and when Kenney first brought this idea forward they weren't saying no, they were saying how the hell do they want to do this? Looking over Quebec's shoulder and seeing the cook gave them a little extra broccoli will get us no where fast. As yourself what will benefit Alberta.
Why was it done that way? I am presuming, of course, that you checked to see if you were receiving the funds that you earned in Quebec. If not you might have a very merry Xmas this year if you start making some snotty phone calls.@@Zack_Crane
Separate pension, separate official language act, separate schools ensign, separate tax facility. This report highlights once more that the laurentians of Canada are more dedicated to exploiting western Canada than doing anything close to telling the truth or doing reconciliation on what they’ve done to us and our native Americans. Even if we get less than 10% of the CPP contributions back I’d rather leave and take the hit and begin the path away from exploitation, domination, and coercion.
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Alberta is obviously positioning itself for separation, and not only in this regard but also with the takeover of RCMP operations within the province, and there's sure to be more.
It is absolutely not, separating into a new country is a significant undertaking, and Alberta absolutely does not have what it takes to do that. This is just Alberta being mad their biggest and only industry is dying. 30 years from now when OnG is dead, Albertans would be happy they can rely on CPP contributions of other provinces. Unless this stupid bill passes.
@@xylo5750 Lol, unfortunately if Alberta's economy suffers so does the rest of Canada on the whole. Price of a barrel of Oil vs CAD$, it's all related.
@@xylo5750 Who says we'd want to be a separate country? We could join the US as the 51st state. Good luck trying to get us back then with the US military on our side.
Were you outside much last summer? The air still hasn't cleaned out. Someone has to take control of this mess. It is inter provincial and the AB government simply does not want to. So you have any idea how another summer like the last one will affect the cost of health care? Not to mention insurance premiums. Or would you rather be like Florida when insurance companies are refusing to honor hurricane damage. Ms Smith is not governing for Albertans she is governing against Ottawa and can''t fit her head around the greater good.
@@evasartorius9528 Have you recognized the fact wild fires are a natural thing? By not allowing the ground fuel to burn off regularly, it causes the major fires.
Have you recognized how snotty and condescending you are? Any idiot cansay the wildfires are a part of the cycle of regeneration.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
You are trying to preach about something you have very little understanding of. I have lived up here all my nearly 70 years. What you are missing with your snotty condescension is that where there is more than just miles and miles of more miles and miles are people's homes and livelihoods. Thousands of homes were destroyed, people were seriously injured and the number of timber berths that went up in smoke will put a lot of people in the logging industry out of work. for many years to come. If you are going to harvest the burned over bush you have to get it the first year or some kind of bug gets in there and starts to eat it.There are likely more people employed in forestry than there are in the oil fields -or were.The farmers whose live stock went...somewhere. Homes in settlement so far back in the bush that I am pretty sure you will never get there. People who have been here for hundreds of generations and people like mine who homesteaded here around the turn of the last century. I have no problem with controlled burns as part of a regular routine. I do however have a problem half the province going up in smoke as it has been on a much more regular basis lately. And a fire doesn't do that great a job of cleaning up the forest floor. The burned trees dry out and fall over, The canopy opens up and more sunlight gets in encouraging grass and shrubs which will catch fire more easily in spring before every thing greens up. To sum it up have you or will you recognize that there is more than one dynamic at work here. When it gets hot earlier and the snow cover disappears earlier and nothing has leafed out yet you are going to get more fires that are not 'natural'. You are just trying to hang the word 'natural' on a dangerous phenom so that you can ignore good reason for green energy. Lecturing me won't make you any wiser. Do some serious studying and maybe get a job in forestry.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
The more autonomous Alberta and Saskatchewan can become, the better off we’ll be. We simply do not share values with eastern Canada as we once did in the past. Irreconcilable differences, divorce time.
It would help us here in Eastern Canada as well. Because we get handouts every year, our governments refuse to do business deals. We could make much more money than we would get with Alberta handouts.
There are PLENTY of Albertans like me who feel more Canadian than they feel Albertan. You should get off the farm every once in a while. Unfortunately, we have had many politicians who rage farm the idea that poor old wealthy, closed minded Alberta has been dealt a bad hand, just to grow their political power.
While I agree with you about the payments, sadly, it is set up in a statute law- and it will take 7 years to get it changed. We can't get a government to hold a policy for 7 years federally so they are pretty secure that we can't make that happen. What eastern Canada is not interesting in hearing is that you can't get blood from a stone- no gas money means no payments to Ottawa.
Will that attitude continue in 20-30 years when fossil fuels are basically done? The equalization payments out of AB are already declining. They may even turn positive into AB someday.
I WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT ALBERTA IS DOING CAUSE I HAVE NO TRUST IN OTTAWA . ALBERTA NEEDS TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM OTTAWA AND SO DOES OTHER PROVINCECES . TIME TO MOVE BUSINESS TO ALBERTA
WHEN YOU TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THROWING A TANTRUM. WERE YOU AROUND WHEN LOUGHEED TURNED OFF THE OIL TAPS IN 1980? TRUDEAUS DAD WAS TRYING TO MAKE CANADA OIL INDEPENDENT (kind of what albertan are screaming for now ironically). SEE-NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM. LOUGHEED AND BIG OIL WOULDNT GIVE A LARGER CUT OF THE PIE AS ASKED SO LOUGHEED BANKRUPTED THE PROVINCE BY SHUTTING DOWN OIL. MY FRIENDS PARENTS LOST THEIR HOME AND THEY NAMED A MOUNTAIN AFTER LOUGHEED FOR BEING A PIG HEADED BABY. IM NOT SURE WHO IS STUPIDER HERE IN 2024
hahahahaha.......ONLY an idiot would trust Smith with this! Alberta should start it's own APP, but the people who've already paid into CPP, will have a split pension based on contributions to both!
probably the same place as yours if you live in Alberta and think this is a bad idea, I know math isn't a strong suite for you liberal / NDP voters though, I feel for ya @@billybobbocephus2177
@@billybobbocephus2177 Ignore the paid for Conservative War room aliases spreading fud on the forums here . Their job is to convince Albertans with a method used like Cambridge Analytica... Consider that a 60% Foreign owned oil industry that is struggling and needs an injection of funds. where to better get those funds then stealing it from the CPP. Albertans will watch their existing pension they already have (just moved) get invested in an industry that is slowly dying as The EU Banks, Norway's central bank, and Sweden's central bank have all bailed on investing. Consider the timing of all this D. Smith talk as the guide lines for fossil fuel subsidies restrictions start at the end of 2024-25. And all this ugly rhetoric regarding separatism in trying to involve BC joining Alberta to leave. well that's because LNG is also affected. I'm hoping Canadians are smart enough (with out getting a lobotomy) to see through the bullshit that is trying to rip our Country apart.
To @familygene9030: Possibly. However, the USA is going Marxist, and, perhaps, Islamic. This should give Alberta pause about the the the nation to the south.
That's whyTrudeau is separating our country.Get your nose out of our business.This is all about resources they can't get to market because of Quebec wa ting Canada to separate to steal Ruperts land ( northern quebec).You see they can't have that land north because it was agreed that if they stayed in Canada they would govern the north but if they left they get nothing.You understand what is in norther quebec.Trillions in gold water resources.Its all about them getting it for nothing and starting to de-Unify our country slowly over time.And look who gets into power and entitled twit from Quebec..His father is proof enough.
First Alberta would have to separate from Canada then make its own nations governance... A that point Alberta could join USA Republic Where the federal government would of USA would tax Alberta wealth to give to the Poorer Mid and southern states. This would take years and years and years... Not to say that if Alberta separates it will be handed part of the National debt like it or not but that will happen. Then everybody would need a passport to travel into Canada well the rest of it. Might even need a green card. Then there is the First nations territories that must be settled. Most of the northern Alberta including where Oil sands could be stuck in Canada. Might even find that yellow head trail is the northern border to Canada in the end of the day. Just complicated and not so easy to know what would really happen. It will not be good, that is all I can say. Oh and Banff and jasper will stay in Canada. All of it.
I' m "Quebecoise" and I totally understand and approve the separation of Alberta, even though it would financially hurt other provinces. You should go ahead if it is the wish of most Albertans. That would make the rest of Canada crumble. And I think it has to crumble down to be rebuilt on a better founding base.
What a dumb shi** idea. Canada is stronger as a whole then a bunch of scrabbling teeny little regions who each have to make their own trade deals with the world. I can't believe I live in a country with so many selfish, mindless people.
@@donalddavis6684not a chance, don’t like the 🎉night wingers in Alberta. Maybe we can get rid of those Albertans retired in BC. BC can also charge big fee for Alberta moving their oil thought out beautiful coastline.
Majority of true Canadians don’t want Alberta to leave ! What we want is major issues to be re- evaluated to make it fair for all of the provinces we need to first of all bring in a PM that is fair and realistic, we the people need them to insure that the Charter of Rights are uphold and insure that Ottawa be limited to its manipulation and overreach . Most importantly we need to dismantle the division that has built up over time towards Western Canada . Change is coming it’s overdue time to take back our country from imbeciles !
@stradzarovich9381 I want Alberta to leave also. They can keep all their dang money we don’t need the 20 Billion sent to The Federal Government every year.
@stradzarovich9381 Exactly sure if Alberta leaves they will not get to enjoy the strict government control on what they say or watch. Which is strange because Germany controlled the media also using tactics from Joseph Gobbles.
Not me. The UCP is pretty sloppy with the governance. Smith actually told that one guy that the CPP fund didn''t need all that paper work done on it and every cent accounted for because we were going to get so much.
Well, I see that many Albertans feel and react today like many Quebecers did 50-60 years ago! Go for it Alberta, you deserve better and I'm sure many Québécois will support you in this
Well THAT is odd. Poll Albertans and many will say Quebec in particular and Central Canada in general, not to mention native son Trudeau, is WHY they would want to leave in the first place. They are complaining about the likes of equalization and Federal transfer payments in the preceding string of comments. Quebec is the Province that sucks up most of BOTH. In 2023-24, the Government of Quebec will receive $28.7 billion through major transfers. Equalization to Quebec is $14 billion for the year out of a total equalization payments $23.9 billion for the entire country (i.e. Quebec gets 60% of the total). Transfers to Alberta in comparison will total $7.7 billion with $0 in Equalization. The other provinces getting Equalization are MAN, ON, NB, NS, PEI.
@@KOZMOuvBORG I don’t disagree. And so many comments here are based on ignorance of the system and how it actually works. And the potential implications of opting out of confederation. And so it goes…
The grassroots Albertans have more in mind than just separating CPP. That is just the start. Equalization payments are next. Many of us have wanted our own country for years.
If we became a separate country we would Join the USA. And that might lead to a few other provinces in the west breaking off as well. But I don't think that will happen very soon. What could happen though is a lot more autonomy.
@@cs3818919the US wouldnt antagonize its relation with Canada for 4.7m people and chump change, you're living a dream and you sound like an uneducated kid. Part of your Land are crown land which is rightfully own by Canada, your province would be dissected like swiss cheese.
@@timphiey Pretty sure the Indigenous peoples get a say on whether that ever happens. They have literally hundreds of treaties with the federal Canadian government and the natives have zero trust they will be fairly treated under provincial jurisdiction.
She is a bitter and Albertans deserve her. Leave, Canada don’t need a right wing province and green energy is coming. Alberta is so short sighted. Wait till oil is below $45 or $50.
yah, hoard of albertans quit their jobs to let easterner immigrants to have jobs when they arrived in alberta. Also, albertans like to wear 'i'm albertan' t-shirts too
Why people are arguing this is beyond me. Quebec has had its own pension plan for decades. Why is it okay for Quebec but not for other provinces to keep their citizens' money in a safe plan ?? Don't people know that the feds take and take from our cpp fund when they're not supposed to touch. How much we get back on our cpp is pathetic to what we should be getting. Why is it when one dies, the feds keep it and not give it back to the family ?
For one thing Quebec was never in the CPP. they ran their own pension plan from the start. Alberta has the right to leave the CPP if they wish. I don't think they deserve over half the CPP's assets and Canada will be arguing that for years. How much should the CPP pensioner get? After death, the family gets a death benefit and a legal spouse gets a survivors benefit. So they don't keep it.
@dwjkerr Yes I know they have their own pension, plus they receive all other federal monies we pay for. I absolutely believe each province can and should do their own.
Actually, I am going back to BC, where I'll petition for a wall along the Rockies, and make the flatlanders pay for it. Why? Because I loathe and despise the"we've got ours, f#ck everyone else attitude behind the proposed pension deform.
@user-io9me1ve7q oh jeeze I wonder why alberta is sooo upset? Could it have something to do with carrying the rest of the country financially on our backs or is it the whole Villan thing for putting food on the table with our dirty oil? It's hard to have a positive attitude with all that b.s
@@alvarezah Deal with it. What's so innovative about shovelling oil sands into trucks and distilling it into crude to send to the US to be refined? Ontario and Quebec have aerospace, auto manufacturing, high tech hubs, and manufacturing with innovation daily. Alberta's still stuck in 1990s technology. Albertans are whiners.
They would be like Quebec (QPP). Quebec's QPP is doing fine and has not been in trouble since mid 70's. The politicians have a good pension plan for only 6 years service. It's so unreal that people are saying it is illegal. Doesn't matter because the politicians are mostly lawyers and they can pass anything (eg. GST).
It would be way better than quebec because they put a clause saying that they must invest in quebec companies only. This restriction stops them from higher profits outside of quebec
And every single one of those investments that people working in Alberta made WILL go to the people who made them. That lie that you keep telling is a dishonest misrepresentation of the system. I am so sick of hearing fellow Albertans repeating dishonest description. The province pays nothing in CPP. You do. I did for decades. Now that is MY money and I should have a say over who invests it, not you and not any other soft headed Albertans who have been conned by the lies that they keep hearing.
@@kildeeParker There are no personal accounts with the CPP, therefore no individual has any say on the money or over who invests it. It could be different with an Alberta pension plan.
@@thomasjefferson6 - I have not claimed that CPP has personal accounts, but given that over four decades ago I put my faith into that system, instead of going to the Middle East to work, like a number of my colleagues did, I am greatly offended that anyone thinks that one could simply put the fate of my investments to a vote. Imagine the government or voters deciding to take over control of your mortgage, your RSPs, or your stock investments. Morally, the idea that poorly informed and duped gullible Albertans could just vote to change the management of the rest of my retirement investments is infuriating. Additionally, the fact that UCP would offer a referendum to its supporter, but not to teachers (remember, that the UCP already abducted control over most of my pension) is outrageous. That injustice and hypocritical authoritarianism seems to be fine with the folks who spent considerable time nodding their heads to chants of “government overreach”, but it makes me hope that there will be comeuppance. You think that an APP will have personal accounts? I don’t. I also highly doubt that reality will meet the promises of the ICP ads. We would not get anywhere near Smith’s “promised” money and we will not see lower contributions (useless to retired folks) or higher benefits that would make any difference. Smith has spent her term demonstrating her incompetence and her willingness to lie. Why anyone would put their money into her hands is beyond any logic. Do you also think that, like the CPP, the elected government will have a completely hands-off policy in regards to how our money is invested? That would not be the case. Smith has already said that she is looking forward to having a say into how (badly) our money is invested (in fading non-renewable energy industries, I’ll bet). That fact, in concert with Alberta’s historical economic volatility, especially as the world turns towards renewables and the loss of a larger risk pool indicates that we would be really gullible if we buy Smith’s b.s. I have decided to take revenge if Albertans decide to weaponize MY money in a useless endeavour to throw a spitball at Ottawa.
@@kildeeParker Why any Albertan would put their trust in the federal government is astonishing. Any APP would NOT be "put into the hands of Danielle Smith" (a person you obviously despise), nor is there any plan to insist that any APP would have to be invested in "fading" non-renewable energy industries" as you claim. The world is NOT turning to "renewables". Wind and solar will NEVER produce any where close to enough energy to match that of fossil fuels, and any attempt to do so will cause mass poverty and starvation, which is the typical result when Left-wing ideologues attempt to implement their revolutionary totalitarian utopian agendas. The use of fossil fuels on this planet has been steadily increasing, not decreasing, no matter how much "climate activists" wish it were otherwise. It would seem from your remarks, and such words as that you are a supporter of Alberta's NDP, a political party whose primary interests lie outside of Alberta. As for Alberta's "economic volatility", it would be a whole lot less volatile were it not for constant interference from the rapacious federal government and its infinite greed for Alberta's wealth. If Alberta does implement a APP, you will still be free to keep your CPP. Just pack your bags and move out of Alberta. Then you won't have to worry about Danielle Smith a person you obviously hate, and hate is the one thing that the Left is good at.
Good for them. Why should someone pay for someone else's retirement? Time to leave and we'll see who needs who. Even at 25%, Alberta paid 25% for the entire countries CPP? That's ridiculous.
@@camyellowface1350sure, don’t drive on the road or drinking water out of pipe then. Better Move to Sudan if you like to live in a country with failed government. Nuts.
The CPP investment board has been telling us they are doing an amazing job, for years. If this is true, there should be plenty of pie to share among everyone at the table.
The CPP has over $475 BILLION dollars in the pot, no wonder Trudeau wants to dip into it, by giving $15 BILLION to China, in Jan/2018, just because he can, even though the Feds, don't contribute one penny, to the CPP fund!!!
The country should be decided by east and west. As it is now, the west has never been represented fairly. Elections are always determined in the east. B.C. Alberta and Manitoba should represent the west and seperate from the east.
With Alberta having over paid for years there is no way we should leave with 22%. Even with what has been paid out. Just another example of monetary abuse from Ottawa.
to @cindyirvine6830: If Alberta does leave the CPP, you can be sure that Canada through its federal government will find a way to punish the province and get that excess money back. No Albertan should ever assume any good will from the Laurentian establishment- because there is none.
My grandfather is 100 years old and lives exclusively on his pension, so I have concerns about this, on the other hand getting one more federal finger out of Alberta's pies does appeal to me.
@@markanthony3275 CPP is safe and stable. You're talking out your ass. Our premier is just making up nonsense while she pursues her separatist agenda, like she's been doing for years. She's a conspiracy theory clown.
@@markanthony3275 " _Either way CPP is not safe_ " CPP is one of the best-managed and best-funded pension funds in the world. If it's not safe with CPP, it's not safe anywhere. As for an Alberta Pension Plan, I have serious doubts. The AB government has never, in the 50+ years I've been observing it, been a model of financial rectitude and competence.
Alberta has to stop caring about being a part of "Trudeaus Ottawa" and start focusing every decision on helping Albertans. All provinces other than Ontario and Quebec should be doing the same.
The study claims that Alberta is entitled to 53% of the CPP's assets, which amounts to $334 billion. This calculation is based on factors such as Alberta's high employment rates, young population, and higher pensionable earnings.
No, actually they claim 110% but since it is idiotic 53% is new fantasy number. LOL Alberta leadership is becoming insufferable. I hope there are people there that can get the loonies in check.
@@murrayfamily1942 How? We'd just join the US as the 51st state, gain full American citizenship and full protections under the US constitution. It's a better deal than what we have currently.
That would never happen. Just like Quebec, you can't just walk away and take the good parts. You would also be responsible for a proportion of federal debt, military, EI, etc. Lots of bluster.
@@tamrahawkes3170 through US as how many of us travel to the East. Anyway, the mentality of AB and BC are so different, don’t BC wants to join AB for a union. We love Canada, doesn’t want to separate from it. We can all learn from outcome of the Brexit.
@@freedomlife3623: Brexit was never allowed to fully go ahead - it's been sabotaged & delayed ever since the people voted to leave by the greedy leftists wanting to force the U.K. to stay in the EUC!!
i hear everyone slamming Alberta for trying to move the CPP to APP but nobody remembers when ontario tried it in 2016 . Governments had been talking about making changes to CPP benefits for years. A new federal-provincial agreement was also finally made possible thanks to pressure from the Ontario government, which had been making alternate plans to create its own Ontario Retirement Pension Plan (ORPP) initiative. As a result of the 2016 CPP deal, the ORPP was shelved.
"If Alberta does separate..." Now we're talking. Just get used to that language as you'll be hearing it more and more. Except it is not "if" but rather "when" Give us our 25%, you can have the RCMP back, and we'll be on our way.
Word of warning to Alberta: Brexit! first get everyone really angry, second demonize and complain about everything, third don’t ask questions about the plan for afterwards. Fourth regret the decision after it’s made and too late to change, fifth complain that you did not get all the facts from those promoting it. Wexit may seem like a good idea, until you really look at the consequences.
Yep, Brexit was a shit idea wrapped up in lies, but the not so informed voted for it, and everyone in the UK is paying for it. This grift will hand money to the friends of the Conservatives at the expense of retirement security for regular Albertans.
You got a better idea? Conservatives are pretty much the only means the west has right now to oppose Liberals and the majority of the East thinks that all the problems could be solved by disbanding the Tories while ignoring the sins of this coalition.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 Yes, don't mess with something that, in an imperfect world, is working reasonable well, and when someone promises something better, start from the perspective of what's in it for them.
@@guyl9456 I wouldn’t trust a modern-day populist right-wing government with my pension, ever! CPP works well, so if it ain’t broke, don’t try and fix it, and it ain’t broke. The Tories want to redirect some of the funds to who knows where, but you can bet your bottom dollar, their friends and party donors will be in the mix somewhere. It’s a classic strategy to raid the pockets of ordinary people.
Not to be a party pooper, but what power? I don't think shooting oneself in the foot and alienating oneself is a solid plan. I would not trust one party to handle the money I have put away. Give anyone that much power, and we are in for trouble.
Most Albertans that I know, even those who voted for Smith, all say the same thing. Keep your hands off my hard-earned CPP. If Smith gets her lying, grimy hands on my CPP I'm leaving Alberta.
A huge , valid point by Mr Tombe is 1000% correct in saying that maximizing returns is what this fund should be geared to with taxes paying for whatever business endeavors Alberta decides upon. The idea is to keep the fund funded for future.
Yeah like Trudeaus pipeline to the coast was any better. Oil is at an all time high but companies are not willing to work in Canada because it’s well known that the Trudeaus hate western oil because their financial welfare is wrapped up in Middle East oil and that’s what sets Canadas energy policy. Down with Justin Trudeau.
When your country is run by a spoiled delusional rich kid who believes “budgets balance themselves” for all of “people kind”, it’s time to leave. Trudeau is an imbecile.
@@evasartorius9528 Well do you want to go the way of Israel and Palestine and fight over a piece of land in the Middle East that is protected by God's. Or is that not a related issue.
Why not create a separate pension plan for Alberta if they wish . Quebec has their own QPP so it is doable. Justin has divided this country in so many ways from east to west .
because reality and aspirations are 2 different things. you see how alberta managed the oil wealth they got when oil prices dropped, rona hit and fields shut down? you trust alberta government to manage your pensions when they misused or wasted all the oil revenue they collected last 20-30 years, makes you think its likely not a good idea.
I suppose First Nations peoples can decide, who would you rather go with, Canada or Alberta? Given Canada's treatment of them over the last 150 years, the answer seems obvious.
How much were they making when they were working? That affects the payout. That might also be why the US government is fighting tooth and claw to get rid of it. Not that I wouldn''t mind more. Our health care and such probably makes a difference too.
@@billybobbocephus2177you’re a talented guy billy. That’s about the 6th time I’ve seen your copy and pasted comment. It’s neither funny or clever. Get some new material.
Alberta is entitled to near half of the CPP assets because of the huge amount of our contributions, more than any other province in Canada. That's the only reason the feds will fight this. The millions in our natural resource monies they would no longer receive.
These aren't transfer payments, CPP comes off everyone's paycheque. It's not as if people in Alberta contribute more than any other province. Given the way the UCP has tanked the teachers pension fund that they just decided to take over, I don't want them anywhere near my pension.
Notice how the feds are not fighting Quebec to bring that province into the glorious Canada Pension Plan! If that Plan is so fantastic, why wouldn't Quebec be wanting to join it?
Yeah, Smith slithered right in there with her far-right-wing-radical thinking. Most Albertans I know (even if they voted for her) want her to keep her hands off our CPP.
Canada needs to get its act together, but the CPP is not fair, that's for damn sure, it doesn't mean we should split Provinces. We have people here that make $150 an hour, so they single handedly add more to the CPP than 4 or more people out east put together. All we want here in Alberta is to be left to do what we know how to do and be recognized as a major driving force, behind Canada's wealth and even technological developments. We wouldn't think twice to support Canada, if we had our own rules and not be fucked with like we are children and made artificially poor by pathetic laws, bills and regulations. The nonsense that might work out east, doesn't fly over here. Leave us to work and play and we are happy like a pig in the compost pile ;) ALBERTA STRONG!
you do realize that there is MAXIMUM CPP deduction? A person making $150/hr pays no more than a person making $30/hr annually. Maximum CPP contribution is $3,754.45
Sure it makes sense Alberta. Less people that contribute to a pension the less your contributions will be and the less contributions you put in the more you’ll get when you retire. Keep believing that. Think about it. Keep your hands off our CPP Conservative party. 🇨🇦
If Trudeau manages to wrangle another term the federation will fracture and I see Alberta beginning the stage to exit. If that happens you'll see a mass exodus from Canada into Alberta. However only if they join the US. It's a bit of a headache and would take years of referendums, hearings, protests and threats but it could very well work.
dude do you see alberta population larger than ontario or quebec? nope. there is a reason for that. you wont see a mass exodus moving to alberta but likely alot of people moving out of alberta. end of the day alberta doesnt have a diversified economy or manufacturing, its completely dependent on oil and gas. and with the world moving towards green tech that spells disaster for alberta.
I beg to differ. Alberta has the only viable oil and gas fields in Canada, they have a lot to offer. Manufacturing would move in quickly if Alberta went alone. The US could be a very strategic partner as well.@@giovanni-ed7zq
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 lulz look alberta is a commodity based economy. the financial and manufacturing hubs are in the east where most of the population of canada lives. you gonna have to deal with that elect centrist leaders if you want to have a chance in federal elections is the hint.
@@giovanni-ed7zqour natural resources / oil and gas will never stop. Funding the province and the rest of Canada with billions of dollars for yrs and yrs to come.
If it ain't broke ? there's a lot of things that have not been mentioned the big one is at present CPP has a disability payment system. If you end up disabled you can draw from CPP, is this going to be covered/
I am from BC and cannot blame Alberta for what they are trying to do. The BC premier does not seem to have a thick skin and buckles under Ottawa's pressure. Because I am a British Columbian I feel that BC is the only compliant province.
Yeah, except your province doesn’t matter when the federal vote comes it’s already decided you have literally no say in Canada has run Plus your province is broke even with your 12% HST. We have 5% GST and still pay billions and billions in transfer payments to the rest of the provinces Honestly, we don’t need the rest of Canada. Truthfully, they need us.
I think that BC is a compliant province because its provincial NDP government admires the federal government- at least as long as the federal NDP remains part of it. The BC provincial government has now sent the provincial debt soaring past 100 billion dollars, and, unlike Alberta, BC doesn't have any future oil export revenues to help bring that debt back down should the people of BC ever again decide not to vote NDP. Nor does the BC government seem to mind the fact that BC has only 6 seats in Canada's Senate, while Quebec and Ontario have 24 seats each and New Brunswick and Nova Scotia have 10 seats each. It will be interesting to see how content BC will be to remain in Confederation if Albertans ever see the sense of getting their province out before it is too late.
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I live in Alberta and I’m all in on this one. It’s time for us to start distancing ourselves from Ottawa we are being trampled in this province and it’s time to stop this BS now
I live in Alberta and you sound like a whining baby.
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Whiner.
Me also the way the ndp and libs get together at election time is Bull S.
@@sandorski56 you’ll be the one whining when Alberta finally separates
Much respect for Alberta from Toronto here.
They won't respect you in return, they think they're paying for you.
@dianelowe7877 I mutually respect you too, I’m 28 and never met a person from East Canada in person who has showed anything but vitriol or disrespect for my homeland. I appreciate this.
@@lizliz4186 Bigoted and racist Albertans what a surprise.
If quebec can have its own pension plan why can’t alberta?
What is the population in Alberta and what is the population in Quebec
@@JamesBond-su7hjand how much money does Alberta make vs Quebec for population size
@@JamesBond-su7hj yes but why does alberta have to give Quebec equalization payments up to 14 billion EVERY FKN YEAR!…if you think alberta cannot survive without Canada you are badly mistaken!…that 20 billion that we give to eastern Canada every year says we DONT NEED YOU …YOU NEED US TO SURVIVE!
@@dianedyck3474Quebec always had subsidies longer than any other province. They had cheaper childcare rates longer than any other province. Second if a province wants to leave Canada then go ahead. It’s up to that province to create there own currency, their own health care, and other necessities to help people live in that province will be on there own So essentially that province would collapse. Take a look at Quebec many years ago when they tried to separate all the big banks and big companies moved to Toronto because they don’t want to take that chance and suffer consequences.
@@demetriuskoitsopoulos8672 well we have oil and we won’t collapse but Canada will not have the lifestyle the eastern elites have become accustomed to…Quebec will suffer the mist …no more equaluzation for all those first you have now!
I support Alberta from Toronto!
Miss Smith please go full steam ahead with the sovereignty act and app
"general feeling of unfairness" - it's to say nothing of how pissed off we are in AB. Funny how we got their attention with this $$$ matter...
Don't sound so pouty all the time. To me the 'general feeling of unfairness' tells me that they just want to be mad tell me Albertan to Albertan what you are mad about and don''t say transfer payments, I am sick of it.
The further Alberta distances itself from the Trudeau nightmare the better off Albertan’s will be. Alberta can manage it’s own pension.
I hope BC will follow suit someday 😢.
Pppffffttttt........bunch of babies in Alberta! Alberta was in a recession before Trudeau, but have NO problem blaming Trudeau for ALL their ills....freaking joke!
@@eddobond76 lol BC doesn't contribute to equalization as much as Alberta. It's Alberta privilege
I was thinking the same@@eddobond76
Absolutely agree, Trudeaus nightmare will last generations!
If media oppose it, it's good indicator that we should separate CPP
It's about time there was a leader that's not afraid to start taking this joke of a country apart! Smith is that leader! As Alberta continues to gain strength, even against the will and policies of the clown show (aka the governing liberals and the PM Justine) it is becoming clearer that the ROC needs Alberta and it's revenues more than Alberta needs the ROC! Keep up the great work Premier Smith!
if you think our country is a joke why don't you leave, go to China or Russia or North Korea see if you have a better life there!!! The only joke is you thinking some pigs are more important then the rest of the animals on the farm...if you don't know what that means get educated!
Freeland is opposed to Alberta's exit from CPP at least partly on the "CPP is one of Canada's crown jewels" sentiment.
Freeland's opposition is a definite plus for exit.
The most failed finance minister in the last 50 years doesn't get an opinion.
whatever JT and freeland oppose, the opposite must be good. It's a no brainer. No need to over analyze this.
Absolutely admire the works Premier Smith and her team do, voicing out and standing up for the Albertans.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
So, you admire liars, eh? Don't forget during the last election, she said she would NOT touch pensions. She said it at a time when this LifeWorks company was being paid to write this fantasy report. She is a liar and is pandering to a group of people who are uneducated mouth breathers.
Settle down lefty, you don't even live here.@@billybobbocephus2177
I believe anything we can do to distance ourself from the PM will benefit Alberta
Ya but you're a conservative.
The PM isn’t Canada, he’s just a head of it for a while. We have these things called ELECTIONS. 😅
@@marianfrances4959 Which makes him able to look at numbers and information not available to your mind.
Stop it. Your letting personalities sway your judgement and not policy.
@@IdrisFashan
Which means squat....
The Turd is still there....with the help of his NDP friends.
Still tearing this country apart.
Long live the republic of Alberta
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
So laughable. Taking your Albertans back from BC & stop transporting oil through our beautiful coastline.
The downside is that Calgary and Edmonton are contaminated by NDP. Always the biggest cities that demand socialism.
@@freedomlife3623gladly. Good luck with your economy.
@@freedomlife3623 I agree, send no oil to BC let them get it elsewhere.
If Quebec is able to do this and do it well I see no reason for alberta not to have the same set of circumstances
I believe Quebec was never apart of the CPP to begin with.
Like not have to pay the carbon tax as they don't in Quebec, have their own immigration and language policies. Yeah, sounds great.
Maybe you should move to Quebec then. Sounds like you would fit right in.
Sure, they could leave and do it on their own. But if they think they can take OVER half of all other provinces assets in the fund - good fucking luck!
In other words, it's not going to happen. Alberta knows this. So they are posturing for some other ASK from the rest of the country, or in other words, from the federal government.
@@HondoTrailside Ohhh i did not know that we have these advantages??? Or maybe we dont and this is a perception? Who knows
I support an independant Alberta ❤ Its high time now.
Ask how Brexit is doing right now.
@@freedomlife3623 will always be better than being with woke idiots
As an European Canadian, brekix is doing terrible. Big mess.
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@@satbobsmith7261other parts of Canada have natural resources too including oil.
As an ontarian I am worried about this however, if we had been abused like Ottawa has abused Alberta I could understand why they want out. Ottawa has refused to recognize how important the west is to our country but bends over backward to appease Quebec. I think Alberta leaving is a terrible outcome but completely understandable given the trudeau families hatred toward them and Ottawa's willingness to mistreat them.😮
I live in Alberta. Ottawa has not abused us. Ottawa paid four billion for a pipeline to bail Alberta out of a bad deal.
Really talk to Brent Wilson
They block 90% of beneficial pipeline projects to move gas from western Canada to the world attacks on farmers using fertilizer you are living in a bubble K
@@kazkazimierz1742yeah the Jason kenney deal
What???? Alberta thinks it's entitled to HALF of what's in CPP.....personally, I wish they'd leave Canada altogether. The _REAL_ engine of Canada is Ontario.
Alberta has 1/3 the population of Ontario...do the math(not even counting Qweebec here), how much have they contributed to the entire pot,& why o why do they think they deserve HALF???!!!
They came to Ottawa, organizing the Freedumb Convoy, wreak all kinds of havoc to the citizens of Ottawa, then crawl back to their sand dunes and claim victimhood.
I got no use for the Alberta mindset. They should lobby to become the 51st state. Northern Texans they be indeed. _They,_ need Ontario, not the other way around.
Ontario is a very powerful economy, plenty of industry, we're almost a mini-country on our own.
We need Alberta like we need another round of Trudeau in office.
I even read about somebody from Calgary complaining how Ontarians, moving there, are making it like Toronto, lol... driving too crazy for that person, lol...saying 'wait until winter'.....??? like Toronto doesn't get snow.....
Albertans have the presence of mind like a Trump supporter, lol
Alberta will NOT suffer silently. Time to separate.
Or at least renegotiate the federal contract. Alberta wants what Quebec has.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@derikuk2967 Exactly. This blind loot of Alberta must come to an end.
@@billybobbocephus2177 KETTLE OR POT.......DUFFUS
Suffer from what?
I have lived in Alberta my whole life and I KNOW we would do perfectly fine as an independent country
Alberta is the worlds biggest producer of canola, the third biggest producer of grain, the biggest producer of peas, our oil fields are the worlds safest and most environmentally friendly and we have recently become aware of a lake of lithium under that oil. Alberta would thrive if it were not for the Government PARASITES.
@@virginiamargaretjean2239and if we can get Saskatchewan to join us, we'd be also talking massive amounts of potash, uranium, and the other half of the breadbasket of Canada.
i don't want alberta to leave.... i need your money alberta.
@@nickyalousakis3851that sounds like Trudeau speaking and I’m from New Brunswick amd I fully support Alberta leaving
@@cammcgrath7012 - that's good to hear cam.
Alberta being a huge financial contributor to Canada used to say "Alberta wants in". Now all we want is out.
Try thinking about something else for a while. Your 'we' is not all of us. I was talking to a very intelligent man one day and he figured you might get about a third of the province, if you got that.
No thank you, I worked for that pension. That gid damn stunt cunt can keep her rat hands off my pension.
The key is to invite all commies and other oxygen wasters to find an ocean and peacefully swim away. I reccomend a Northern Ocean. I'm sure Hudson's Bay is lovely this time of year. Alternatively, patriotic Albertans could just arrest the commies and oxygen wasters for treason and sentence them to summary capital punishment. @@evasartorius9528
Speak for yourself, mate. I love it in Alberta, and most of us want nothing more than Alberta to remain a part of a whole Canada. It doesn't help when you have separatist nutjobs like our premier inventive nonsensical narratives so she can pretend to be queen of her own country. Alberta is not a country. It is a province of one and shall remain so.
They are only a contributor because of the resources. If they leave they won’t be allow to keep what makes them rich. They are stupid if they think that’s the case. They will be a land locked poor country dependent on the rest of Canada.
What applies to Quebec should equally apply to all other provinces.
Quebec never joined in the beginning, and when Kenney first brought this idea forward they weren't saying no, they were saying how the hell do they want to do this?
Looking over Quebec's shoulder and seeing the cook gave them a little extra broccoli will get us no where fast. As yourself what will benefit Alberta.
@@evasartorius9528I worked in Montreal for 20 years and in Winnipeg for 20 years and when I retired, I was being paid by the CPP instead of the QPP.
Why was it done that way? I am presuming, of course, that you checked to see if you were receiving the funds that you earned in Quebec. If not you might have a very merry Xmas this year if you start making some snotty phone calls.@@Zack_Crane
@@Zack_Crane that's quebec style, quebec receive and quebec don't pay their share
Separate pension, separate official language act, separate schools ensign, separate tax facility. This report highlights once more that the laurentians of Canada are more dedicated to exploiting western Canada than doing anything close to telling the truth or doing reconciliation on what they’ve done to us and our native Americans. Even if we get less than 10% of the CPP contributions back I’d rather leave and take the hit and begin the path away from exploitation, domination, and coercion.
Especially when taxes are deverted to the bank of England (crown) and Vatican.🤑🤪
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Go for it Alberta! Have no fear.
You Got That Right
Alberta is obviously positioning itself for separation, and not only in this regard but also with the takeover of RCMP operations within the province, and there's sure to be more.
Hope so
It is absolutely not, separating into a new country is a significant undertaking, and Alberta absolutely does not have what it takes to do that.
This is just Alberta being mad their biggest and only industry is dying. 30 years from now when OnG is dead, Albertans would be happy they can rely on CPP contributions of other provinces. Unless this stupid bill passes.
@@xylo5750 Lol, unfortunately if Alberta's economy suffers so does the rest of Canada on the whole. Price of a barrel of Oil vs CAD$, it's all related.
@@xylo5750 Who says we'd want to be a separate country? We could join the US as the 51st state. Good luck trying to get us back then with the US military on our side.
Ontario has the OPP separate from the RCMP so why shouldn't Alberta have their own provincial police force?
Anything Alberta can do to throw a big ol' wrench into the federal government's plans i am all for.
Were you outside much last summer? The air still hasn't cleaned out. Someone has to take control of this mess. It is inter provincial and the AB government simply does not want to. So you have any idea how another summer like the last one will affect the cost of health care? Not to mention insurance premiums. Or would you rather be like Florida when insurance companies are refusing to honor hurricane damage. Ms Smith is not governing for Albertans she is governing against Ottawa and can''t fit her head around the greater good.
You wouldn't be messing with the Feds, just every other province except Quebec
@@evasartorius9528 Have you recognized the fact wild fires are a natural thing? By not allowing the ground fuel to burn off regularly, it causes the major fires.
Have you recognized how snotty and condescending you are? Any idiot cansay the wildfires are a part of the cycle of regeneration.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
You are trying to preach about something you have very little understanding of. I have lived up here all my nearly 70 years. What you are missing with your snotty condescension is that where there is more than just miles and miles of more miles and miles are people's homes and livelihoods.
Thousands of homes were destroyed, people were seriously injured and the number of timber berths that went up in smoke will put a lot of people in the logging industry out of work. for many years to come. If you are going to harvest the burned over bush you have to get it the first year or some kind of bug gets in there and starts to eat it.There are likely more people employed in forestry than there are in the oil fields -or were.The farmers whose live stock went...somewhere. Homes in settlement so far back in the bush that I am pretty sure you will never get there. People who have been here for hundreds of generations and people like mine who homesteaded here around the turn of the last century.
I have no problem with controlled burns as part of a regular routine. I do however have a problem half the province going up in smoke as it has been on a much more regular basis lately.
And a fire doesn't do that great a job of cleaning up the forest floor. The burned trees dry out and fall over, The canopy opens up and more sunlight gets in encouraging grass and shrubs which will catch fire more easily in spring before every thing greens up.
To sum it up have you or will you recognize that there is more than one dynamic at work here. When it gets hot earlier and the snow cover disappears earlier and nothing has leafed out yet you are going to get more fires that are not 'natural'. You are just trying to hang the word 'natural' on a dangerous phenom so that you can ignore good reason for green energy. Lecturing me won't make you any wiser. Do some serious studying and maybe get a job in forestry.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
The more autonomous Alberta and Saskatchewan can become, the better off we’ll be. We simply do not share values with eastern Canada as we once did in the past. Irreconcilable differences, divorce time.
Good. Divorce yourself and move out my Alberta. 🖕
I wish Manitoba would follow suit
It would help us here in Eastern Canada as well. Because we get handouts every year, our governments refuse to do business deals. We could make much more money than we would get with Alberta handouts.
There are PLENTY of Albertans like me who feel more Canadian than they feel Albertan. You should get off the farm every once in a while. Unfortunately, we have had many politicians who rage farm the idea that poor old wealthy, closed minded Alberta has been dealt a bad hand, just to grow their political power.
@@kildeeParkeryea and their is plenty of young albertans sick of this kinda treatment by our goverment
AB should be asking for equalization payouts to be ceased immediately
Then Quebec would have to severely cut back on their social programs.
Every dollar taken and spent outside Alberta have to be repayed upon seperation. Qubec can cry about it.
While I agree with you about the payments, sadly, it is set up in a statute law- and it will take 7 years to get it changed. We can't get a government to hold a policy for 7 years federally so they are pretty secure that we can't make that happen. What eastern Canada is not interesting in hearing is that you can't get blood from a stone- no gas money means no payments to Ottawa.
@@amirlachThose dollars are gone forever man. Only future dollars are on the table.
Will that attitude continue in 20-30 years when fossil fuels are basically done? The equalization payments out of AB are already declining. They may even turn positive into AB someday.
I WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT ALBERTA IS DOING CAUSE I HAVE NO TRUST IN OTTAWA . ALBERTA NEEDS TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM OTTAWA AND SO DOES OTHER PROVINCECES . TIME TO MOVE BUSINESS TO ALBERTA
Who's going to supply housing and infrastructure? We're already crippled by decades-long incoming population.
You turned this into a fear based immigration issue. Sigh..
@@marianfrances4959
WHEN YOU TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THROWING A TANTRUM. WERE YOU AROUND WHEN LOUGHEED TURNED OFF THE OIL TAPS IN 1980? TRUDEAUS DAD WAS TRYING TO MAKE CANADA OIL INDEPENDENT (kind of what albertan are screaming for now ironically). SEE-NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM. LOUGHEED AND BIG OIL WOULDNT GIVE A LARGER CUT OF THE PIE AS ASKED SO LOUGHEED BANKRUPTED THE PROVINCE BY SHUTTING DOWN OIL. MY FRIENDS PARENTS LOST THEIR HOME AND THEY NAMED A MOUNTAIN AFTER LOUGHEED FOR BEING A PIG HEADED BABY. IM NOT SURE WHO IS STUPIDER HERE IN 2024
CPP doesnt pay for housing or infrastructure nor should it!
I’m with Smith from BC
APP will benefit Alberta and it's hard working citizens!!!!
hahahahaha.......ONLY an idiot would trust Smith with this!
Alberta should start it's own APP, but the people who've already paid into CPP, will have a split pension based on contributions to both!
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
probably the same place as yours if you live in Alberta and think this is a bad idea, I know math isn't a strong suite for you liberal / NDP voters though, I feel for ya @@billybobbocephus2177
@@billybobbocephus2177 Ignore the paid for Conservative War room aliases spreading fud on the forums here . Their job is to convince Albertans with a method used like Cambridge Analytica... Consider that a 60% Foreign owned oil industry that is struggling and needs an injection of funds. where to better get those funds then stealing it from the CPP. Albertans will watch their existing pension they already have (just moved) get invested in an industry that is slowly dying as The EU Banks, Norway's central bank, and Sweden's central bank have all bailed on investing.
Consider the timing of all this D. Smith talk as the guide lines for fossil fuel subsidies restrictions start at the end of 2024-25. And all this ugly rhetoric regarding separatism in trying to involve BC joining Alberta to leave. well that's because LNG is also affected. I'm hoping Canadians are smart enough (with out getting a lobotomy) to see through the bullshit that is trying to rip our Country apart.
lol the alberta government wasted 30 years of taxes and oil revenue provincially. think again.
Alberta should join Greater Idaho and Montana and export their vast gas and oil reserves through ports in southern Oregon
get a President who doesn't sniff babies and fall up stairs then we'll talk.
To @familygene9030: Possibly. However, the USA is going Marxist, and, perhaps, Islamic. This should give Alberta pause about the the the nation to the south.
That's whyTrudeau is separating our country.Get your nose out of our business.This is all about resources they can't get to market because of Quebec wa ting Canada to separate to steal Ruperts land ( northern quebec).You see they can't have that land north because it was agreed that if they stayed in Canada they would govern the north but if they left they get nothing.You understand what is in norther quebec.Trillions in gold water resources.Its all about them getting it for nothing and starting to de-Unify our country slowly over time.And look who gets into power and entitled twit from Quebec..His father is proof enough.
First Alberta would have to separate from Canada then make its own nations governance... A that point Alberta could join USA Republic Where the federal government would of USA would tax Alberta wealth to give to the Poorer Mid and southern states. This would take years and years and years... Not to say that if Alberta separates it will be handed part of the National debt like it or not but that will happen. Then everybody would need a passport to travel into Canada well the rest of it. Might even need a green card.
Then there is the First nations territories that must be settled. Most of the northern Alberta including where Oil sands could be stuck in Canada. Might even find that yellow head trail is the northern border to Canada in the end of the day.
Just complicated and not so easy to know what would really happen. It will not be good, that is all I can say.
Oh and Banff and jasper will stay in Canada. All of it.
I' m "Quebecoise" and I totally understand and approve the separation of Alberta, even though it would financially hurt other provinces. You should go ahead if it is the wish of most Albertans. That would make the rest of Canada crumble. And I think it has to crumble down to be rebuilt on a better founding base.
What a dumb shi** idea. Canada is stronger as a whole then a bunch of scrabbling teeny little regions who each have to make their own trade deals with the world. I can't believe I live in a country with so many selfish, mindless people.
get rid of trudeau, then the problems will go away.
It’s not the majority, it’s an extremely loud minority
Rebuilt? More likely absorbed into the US, and the QC culture dies on the vine...
@@TheNinthGeneration1says whoever you are ...got your booster?
If Alberta separates I'm moving to Alberta
I would hope that BC would join AB in separating from the rest of Canada
The already have too many morons what makes you think they'd take you?
Too late for BC to separate they signed the UNDRIP agreement with the United Nations.
Besides that BC is just as corrupt as Ontario.
@@donalddavis6684not a chance, don’t like the 🎉night wingers in Alberta. Maybe we can get rid of those Albertans retired in BC. BC can also charge big fee for Alberta moving their oil thought out beautiful coastline.
@@freedomlife3623Lol. And how much COAL does BC send overseas? Facts matter when posting
I wouldn't blame Alberta.
Majority of true Canadians don’t want Alberta to leave ! What we want is major issues to be re- evaluated to make it fair for all of the provinces we need to first of all bring in a PM that is fair and realistic, we the people need them to insure that the Charter of Rights are uphold and insure that Ottawa be limited to its manipulation and overreach . Most importantly we need to dismantle the division that has built up over time towards Western Canada . Change is coming it’s overdue time to take back our country from imbeciles !
She explained everything on 2.00......
you do understand how unattainable that is at the moment so long as Trudeau stays in power right?
@stradzarovich9381LEAVE AND NOTHING LESS WILL DO.....
@stradzarovich9381 I want Alberta to leave also. They can keep all their dang money we don’t need the 20 Billion sent to The Federal Government every year.
@stradzarovich9381 Exactly sure if Alberta leaves they will not get to enjoy the strict government control on what they say or watch. Which is strange because Germany controlled the media also using tactics from Joseph Gobbles.
Our own pensions is smart and win win for alberta. Im all in
Not me. The UCP is pretty sloppy with the governance. Smith actually told that one guy that the CPP fund didn''t need all that paper work done on it and every cent accounted for because we were going to get so much.
Understand - Equalization also involves all tax receipts from Alberta. In other words Alberta keeps eastern Canada above a banana republic.
Well, I see that many Albertans feel and react today like many Quebecers did 50-60 years ago! Go for it Alberta, you deserve better and I'm sure many Québécois will support you in this
They're known as the Redneckois
Well THAT is odd. Poll Albertans and many will say Quebec in particular and Central Canada in general, not to mention native son Trudeau, is WHY they would want to leave in the first place. They are complaining about the likes of equalization and Federal transfer payments in the preceding string of comments. Quebec is the Province that sucks up most of BOTH. In 2023-24, the Government of Quebec will receive $28.7 billion through major transfers. Equalization to Quebec is $14 billion for the year out of a total equalization payments $23.9 billion for the entire country (i.e. Quebec gets 60% of the total). Transfers to Alberta in comparison will total $7.7 billion with $0 in Equalization. The other provinces getting Equalization are MAN, ON, NB, NS, PEI.
@@davidkendall1614 I'm from BC and don't like Albertans messin' with our politics
@@KOZMOuvBORG I don’t disagree. And so many comments here are based on ignorance of the system and how it actually works. And the potential implications of opting out of confederation. And so it goes…
The difference is Quebec never paid it's way.
The grassroots Albertans have more in mind than just separating CPP. That is just the start. Equalization payments are next. Many of us have wanted our own country for years.
You mean Alberta splits from Canada and become its own country?
If we became a separate country we would Join the USA. And that might lead to a few other provinces in the west breaking off as well. But I don't think that will happen very soon. What could happen though is a lot more autonomy.
Traitor
You jiong the us now if you want. Look around and see the big problems they are having, or your too bold to see that.
@@cs3818919the US wouldnt antagonize its relation with Canada for 4.7m people and chump change, you're living a dream and you sound like an uneducated kid.
Part of your Land are crown land which is rightfully own by Canada, your province would be dissected like swiss cheese.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if Alberta was independent
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@@timphiey Pretty sure the Indigenous peoples get a say on whether that ever happens. They have literally hundreds of treaties with the federal Canadian government and the natives have zero trust they will be fairly treated under provincial jurisdiction.
The whole thing will i hope end Trudope and Canada need that big time ! This lady rocks !
She is a bitter and Albertans deserve her. Leave, Canada don’t need a right wing province and green energy is coming. Alberta is so short sighted. Wait till oil is below $45 or $50.
@@freedomlife3623 She is not bitter, she is taking care of Albertans and Alberta and you do sound bitter yourself...lol!!!
if trudard is against alberta getting its own pension then it must be a good move
@@patrick-ip4yf Not me. UBI will be mostly funded by albertans since albertans have jobs and pays more taxes, CPP. and UI
yah, hoard of albertans quit their jobs to let easterner immigrants to have jobs when they arrived in alberta. Also, albertans like to wear 'i'm albertan' t-shirts too
@@andrewcannon587 yah, occasionally census Canada conducts demographics.
Why people are arguing this is beyond me. Quebec has had its own pension plan for decades. Why is it okay for Quebec but not for other provinces to keep their citizens' money in a safe plan ?? Don't people know that the feds take and take from our cpp fund when they're not supposed to touch. How much we get back on our cpp is pathetic to what we should be getting. Why is it when one dies, the feds keep it and not give it back to the family ?
For one thing Quebec was never in the CPP. they ran their own pension plan from the start. Alberta has the right to leave the CPP if they wish.
I don't think they deserve over half the CPP's assets and Canada will be arguing that for years.
How much should the CPP pensioner get?
After death, the family gets a death benefit and a legal spouse gets a survivors benefit. So they don't keep it.
@dwjkerr Yes I know they have their own pension, plus they receive all other federal monies we pay for. I absolutely believe each province can and should do their own.
it is pretty sad when these d a m people trudeau is bringing in to this country get thousands more that the pensioners get who built this country
That and mwny more reasons why cpp cobtributions are a tax
@@guyl9456 no, they'd get the OAS just like any other retired Canadian. They get QPP instead of CPP.
Actually, I am going back to BC, where I'll petition for a wall along the Rockies, and make the flatlanders pay for it. Why? Because I loathe and despise the"we've got ours, f#ck everyone else attitude behind the proposed pension deform.
Somehow I doubt you were ever a friend of the Prairies in the first place. The Rockies are already a wall anyway.
Please do. Don't let the pump Jack's hurt your feelings ont he way out.
Agree. The present attitude of Alberta is beyond disgusting.
@user-io9me1ve7q oh jeeze I wonder why alberta is sooo upset? Could it have something to do with carrying the rest of the country financially on our backs or is it the whole Villan thing for putting food on the table with our dirty oil? It's hard to have a positive attitude with all that b.s
@@alvarezah Deal with it. What's so innovative about shovelling oil sands into trucks and distilling it into crude to send to the US to be refined? Ontario and Quebec have aerospace, auto manufacturing, high tech hubs, and manufacturing with innovation daily. Alberta's still stuck in 1990s technology. Albertans are whiners.
They would be like Quebec (QPP). Quebec's QPP is doing fine and has not been in trouble since mid 70's. The politicians have a good pension plan for only 6 years service. It's so unreal that people are saying it is illegal. Doesn't matter because the politicians are mostly lawyers and they can pass anything (eg. GST).
It would be way better than quebec because they put a clause saying that they must invest in quebec companies only. This restriction stops them from higher profits outside of quebec
@@kenlindsey4648 Good info!
It was Mulroney's Conservative government that legislated the GST effective 1 Jan 1991. But I suppose they get a 'hall pass' in Alberta. Just saying.
@@chong2389 Alberta pays Transfer Payments too.
The only reason why Quebec is surviving is because they get more subsidies from the government than any other province.
We support our premier 100 % !!!
Other provinces werent worried about having Alberta paying more into CPP than the rest of the provinces.
And every single one of those investments that people working in Alberta made WILL go to the people who made them. That lie that you keep telling is a dishonest misrepresentation of the system. I am so sick of hearing fellow Albertans repeating dishonest description. The province pays nothing in CPP. You do. I did for decades. Now that is MY money and I should have a say over who invests it, not you and not any other soft headed Albertans who have been conned by the lies that they keep hearing.
@@kildeeParker There are no personal accounts with the CPP, therefore no individual has any say on the money or over who invests it. It could be different with an Alberta pension plan.
@@thomasjefferson6 - I have not claimed that CPP has personal accounts, but given that over four decades ago I put my faith into that system, instead of going to the Middle East to work, like a number of my colleagues did, I am greatly offended that anyone thinks that one could simply put the fate of my investments to a vote. Imagine the government or voters deciding to take over control of your mortgage, your RSPs, or your stock investments. Morally, the idea that poorly informed and duped gullible Albertans could just vote to change the management of the rest of my retirement investments is infuriating. Additionally, the fact that UCP would offer a referendum to its supporter, but not to teachers (remember, that the UCP already abducted control over most of my pension) is outrageous. That injustice and hypocritical authoritarianism seems to be fine with the folks who spent considerable time nodding their heads to chants of “government overreach”, but it makes me hope that there will be comeuppance.
You think that an APP will have personal accounts? I don’t. I also highly doubt that reality will meet the promises of the ICP ads. We would not get anywhere near Smith’s “promised” money and we will not see lower contributions (useless to retired folks) or higher benefits that would make any difference. Smith has spent her term demonstrating her incompetence and her willingness to lie. Why anyone would put their money into her hands is beyond any logic.
Do you also think that, like the CPP, the elected government will have a completely hands-off policy in regards to how our money is invested? That would not be the case. Smith has already said that she is looking forward to having a say into how (badly) our money is invested (in fading non-renewable energy industries, I’ll bet). That fact, in concert with Alberta’s historical economic volatility, especially as the world turns towards renewables and the loss of a larger risk pool indicates that we would be really gullible if we buy Smith’s b.s. I have decided to take revenge if Albertans decide to weaponize MY money in a useless endeavour to throw a spitball at Ottawa.
@@kildeeParker Why any Albertan would put their trust in the federal government is astonishing. Any APP would NOT be "put into the hands of Danielle Smith" (a person you obviously despise), nor is there any plan to insist that any APP would have to be invested in "fading" non-renewable energy industries" as you claim. The world is NOT turning to "renewables". Wind and solar will NEVER produce any where close to enough energy to match that of fossil fuels, and any attempt to do so will cause mass poverty and starvation, which is the typical result when Left-wing ideologues attempt to implement their revolutionary totalitarian utopian agendas. The use of fossil fuels on this planet has been steadily increasing, not decreasing, no matter how much "climate activists" wish it were otherwise. It would seem from your remarks, and such words as that you are a supporter of Alberta's NDP, a political party whose primary interests lie outside of Alberta. As for Alberta's "economic volatility", it would be a whole lot less volatile were it not for constant interference from the rapacious federal government and its infinite greed for Alberta's wealth. If Alberta does implement a APP, you will still be free to keep your CPP. Just pack your bags and move out of Alberta. Then you won't have to worry about Danielle Smith a person you obviously hate, and hate is the one thing that the Left is good at.
@@kildeeParker Very well said.
Good for them. Why should someone pay for someone else's retirement? Time to leave and we'll see who needs who. Even at 25%, Alberta paid 25% for the entire countries CPP? That's ridiculous.
All forms of taxation should be abolished,it is a war measures act. People can take care of themselves better than any government can .🤯🤪
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@billybobbocephus2177do some research just telling the facts billyboy ,I bet you want to were a mask and continue your volunteer labotamy.😉
@@camyellowface1350sure, don’t drive on the road or drinking water out of pipe then. Better Move to Sudan if you like to live in a country with failed government. Nuts.
@@freedomlife3623 I drink from my well,nyou go back to jollyole England. Both your governing systems are corrupt to the core,nuts.🤪
The CPP investment board has been telling us they are doing an amazing job, for years. If this is true, there should be plenty of pie to share among everyone at the table.
Key words being...IF this is true. But as the old saying goes "How do you tell a politician is lying? Their lips are moving."
The CPP board is so over staffed like every other government department that it’s disgraceful!
They’re lying to you. Trudeau shut down our coal industry & invested $144-Million pension money in China’s coal industry.
The CPP has over $475 BILLION dollars in the pot, no wonder Trudeau wants to dip into it, by giving $15 BILLION to China, in Jan/2018, just because he can, even though the Feds, don't contribute one penny, to the CPP fund!!!
The more separation any province can gain from the tyrannical government that’s currently installed, the better.
Oh, the horror! Federal equalization payments make it so unfair for the poorer provinces to enjoy staying poor.
Well it is interesting times we live in, Perhaps other provinces need to look at having their own pension plan.
Albertans are moving towards moving away. The Feds are only exacerbating the need for change.
The country should be decided by east and west. As it is now, the west has never been represented fairly. Elections are always determined in the east. B.C. Alberta and Manitoba should represent the west and seperate from the east.
As an Albertan I would love to see full exit from Canada.
dam right.
Canada isn’t a country it’s 10 provinces.
Yes, 10 provinces and 3 Territories, and makes usa country,buster!!!!
@@vinmangob8555 “Dam right”? Damn, you are serious!
@@modestacattaruzza7400 little American is a good way to think of it you’re right. Trump 2024
With Alberta having over paid for years there is no way we should leave with 22%. Even with what has been paid out. Just another example of monetary abuse from Ottawa.
to @cindyirvine6830: If Alberta does leave the CPP, you can be sure that Canada through its federal government will find a way to punish the province and get that excess money back. No Albertan should ever assume any good will from the Laurentian establishment- because there is none.
It’s a win win for Alberta , that’s the only reason the rest of Canada does not want Alberta to leave .it will cost the rest of Canada .
Wrong.
It's your shiny personality mainly.
My grandfather is 100 years old and lives exclusively on his pension, so I have concerns about this, on the other hand getting one more federal finger out of Alberta's pies does appeal to me.
Either way CPP is not safe. We just hope it will be there for us, but there are no guarantees.
Your grandfather would be fine he paid into cpp and he is entitled to his pension .This would be for the workers working now
@@markanthony3275 CPP is safe and stable. You're talking out your ass. Our premier is just making up nonsense while she pursues her separatist agenda, like she's been doing for years. She's a conspiracy theory clown.
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" _Either way CPP is not safe_ "
CPP is one of the best-managed and best-funded pension funds in the world. If it's not safe with CPP, it's not safe anywhere.
As for an Alberta Pension Plan, I have serious doubts. The AB government has never, in the 50+ years I've been observing it, been a model of financial rectitude and competence.
Alberta has to stop caring about being a part of "Trudeaus Ottawa" and start focusing every decision on helping Albertans. All provinces other than Ontario and Quebec should be doing the same.
Good luck getting back to the norm .. it will never happen trust has been squashed so let's squash the feds
The study claims that Alberta is entitled to 53% of the CPP's assets, which amounts to $334 billion. This calculation is based on factors such as Alberta's high employment rates, young population, and higher pensionable earnings.
No, actually they claim 110% but since it is idiotic 53% is new fantasy number. LOL Alberta leadership is becoming insufferable. I hope there are people there that can get the loonies in check.
it was done by Lifework, owned by Moreau Shepell, canada's top pension analyst
Alberta should just separate from Canada and Trudeau
Bold statement, however it would be hard on both sides but hardest on Alberta.
@@murrayfamily1942how so please explain
@@murrayfamily1942 How? We'd just join the US as the 51st state, gain full American citizenship and full protections under the US constitution. It's a better deal than what we have currently.
That would never happen. Just like Quebec, you can't just walk away and take the good parts. You would also be responsible for a proportion of federal debt, military, EI, etc. Lots of bluster.
@@killman369547bull shit, go now and move to the US.
If Trudeau keeps Alberta in his cross- hairs we’ll have to go it alone on a lot more than our pensions.
Sure, you don’t want to part of Canada anyway. See you much will cost you transport your oil through BC.
@@freedomlife3623 we’ll be going through Churchill , or we still have the States. You can buy it from them after they add on their costs
@@freedomlife3623how’s bc going to get their stuff to rest of Canada?
Guess it’s a 2 way highway….
@@tamrahawkes3170 through US as how many of us travel to the East. Anyway, the mentality of AB and BC are so different, don’t BC wants to join AB for a union. We love Canada, doesn’t want to separate from it. We can all learn from outcome of the Brexit.
@@freedomlife3623: Brexit was never allowed to fully go ahead - it's been sabotaged & delayed ever since the people voted to leave by the greedy leftists wanting to force the U.K. to stay in the EUC!!
i hear everyone slamming Alberta for trying to move the CPP to APP but nobody remembers when ontario tried it in 2016 . Governments had been talking about making changes to CPP benefits for years. A new federal-provincial agreement was also finally made possible thanks to pressure from the Ontario government, which had been making alternate plans to create its own Ontario Retirement Pension Plan (ORPP) initiative. As a result of the 2016 CPP deal, the ORPP was shelved.
I love Alberta's premier. She tough and is not afraid to say no to stupid liberals.
Wake up,shes none of the above. She's just another Trump wanna be nothing original here. Albertans aernt all followers of her greed
Ya she was so tough on those big corporations what with her 30% corporate tax cut that's cost us $22B year one and closer to $30B year two.
"If Alberta does separate..."
Now we're talking. Just get used to that language as you'll be hearing it more and more. Except it is not "if" but rather "when"
Give us our 25%, you can have the RCMP back, and we'll be on our way.
Quebec have own pension plan and own policies. Albertans would benefit and not other way around. Trudeau won't use our dollars to keep spending.
Go Alberta. The east has been living off Alberta for far too long.
I wish that BC had the guts to follow Alberta.
Yes I think so too
Time to separate and stop carrying the Liberals. Let them learn to support themselves and get a reality check.
Word of warning to Alberta: Brexit! first get everyone really angry, second demonize and complain about everything, third don’t ask questions about the plan for afterwards. Fourth regret the decision after it’s made and too late to change, fifth complain that you did not get all the facts from those promoting it. Wexit may seem like a good idea, until you really look at the consequences.
Yep, Brexit was a shit idea wrapped up in lies, but the not so informed voted for it, and everyone in the UK is paying for it. This grift will hand money to the friends of the Conservatives at the expense of retirement security for regular Albertans.
You got a better idea? Conservatives are pretty much the only means the west has right now to oppose Liberals and the majority of the East thinks that all the problems could be solved by disbanding the Tories while ignoring the sins of this coalition.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 Yes, don't mess with something that, in an imperfect world, is working reasonable well, and when someone promises something better, start from the perspective of what's in it for them.
@@OptimisticHominid So in short you're saying continue to bend over and take it up the flash pipe . . . Yeah this country is doomed to be a failure.
@@guyl9456 I wouldn’t trust a modern-day populist right-wing government with my pension, ever! CPP works well, so if it ain’t broke, don’t try and fix it, and it ain’t broke. The Tories want to redirect some of the funds to who knows where, but you can bet your bottom dollar, their friends and party donors will be in the mix somewhere. It’s a classic strategy to raid the pockets of ordinary people.
The best day every when Alberta leaves and takes its power back.
I hope to God this happens.
You Got That Right
Not to be a party pooper, but what power? I don't think shooting oneself in the foot and alienating oneself is a solid plan. I would not trust one party to handle the money I have put away. Give anyone that much power, and we are in for trouble.
We also need federal seat for Alberta party just like qebec has.
Thank you Daniel Smith we need to stop Ottawa and qebec hurting us!
Quit being a whinny baby. We need to stop Ottawa and qebec from hurting us....
Nothing productive comes from pouting...
Most Albertans that I know, even those who voted for Smith, all say the same thing. Keep your hands off my hard-earned CPP. If Smith gets her lying, grimy hands on my CPP I'm leaving Alberta.
@@TheChristineLindsayplease, please leave. You won’t be missed.
@@TheChristineLindsaycopy and paste it enough times and someone, somewhere, might actually agree with you.
Not here though.
The Take Back Alberta movement is Alberta's achilles heel.
Hope Saskatchewan follows Alberta's example.
People have to understand that seniors will receive more money and people still employed wouldn't pay CPP contribution and gain bigger paycheck
A huge , valid point by Mr Tombe is 1000% correct in saying that maximizing returns is what this fund should be geared to with taxes paying for whatever business endeavors Alberta decides upon. The idea is to keep the fund funded for future.
Yes, but lets have them be careful with our taxes too. Look at Kenney and that pipeline to the border.
Yeah like Trudeaus pipeline to the coast was any better. Oil is at an all time high but companies are not willing to work in Canada because it’s well known that the Trudeaus hate western oil because their financial welfare is wrapped up in Middle East oil and that’s what sets Canadas energy policy. Down with Justin Trudeau.
I have no idea why any province wants to seperate from a country, there is strength in unity, this is making our country look weak.
When your country is run by a spoiled delusional rich kid who believes “budgets balance themselves” for all of “people kind”, it’s time to leave. Trudeau is an imbecile.
Oh you don't? Really? Ain't that curious.
Oh! look at that! It's to be able to redirect funds for Madame Smith to pay friends and family. Awesome.
I'm beginning to think the money is gone. Otherwise why would the federal politicians be so worried?
Leaving Toronto for Alberta next month. Bye Trudeauland!!
Neutral, since Ottawa wants to force the carbon timeline, Alberta should be able to enforce its own pensions.
And you should be able to cheat on your wife when ever you want to, or is that not a related issue.
@@evasartorius9528 Well do you want to go the way of Israel and Palestine and fight over a piece of land in the Middle East that is protected by God's. Or is that not a related issue.
This what happens when you take resources from the western provinces and distribute it else where.
Go Alberta Go! Remember, this is Bill Morneau’s company!
Alberta should do it. Why not? If it's okay for Quebec, it's okay for Alberta. Canada is a bad deal for Alberta.
I support Danielle Smith all the way! She's a real leader for Alberta..
Why not create a separate pension plan for Alberta if they wish . Quebec has their own QPP so it is doable. Justin has divided this country in so many ways from east to west .
because reality and aspirations are 2 different things. you see how alberta managed the oil wealth they got when oil prices dropped, rona hit and fields shut down? you trust alberta government to manage your pensions when they misused or wasted all the oil revenue they collected last 20-30 years, makes you think its likely not a good idea.
This has been on-going long before Trudeau Jr., he just really blasted it all to the surface that people can't ignore it anymore.
Treaties are international based treaties between Canada and First Nations. Won’t be a separate province without address that issue
So you believe nothing can happen without satisfying 2-3% of the population?
I suppose First Nations peoples can decide, who would you rather go with, Canada or Alberta? Given Canada's treatment of them over the last 150 years, the answer seems obvious.
Social Security in the US pays a max benefit of $3600/mo. Why is Canada so low at $1300 CAD ? We pay in about the same.
1300???, been paying in my entire life, now get $1200.00 month….time to go!
How much were they making when they were working? That affects the payout. That might also be why the US government is fighting tooth and claw to get rid of it. Not that I wouldn''t mind more. Our health care and such probably makes a difference too.
Time to move to Alberta.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@billybobbocephus2177you’re a talented guy billy.
That’s about the 6th time I’ve seen your copy and pasted comment. It’s neither funny or clever. Get some new material.
There has been no benefit to Alberta to still be in confederation. They're better off as separate country/Republic or join the United States
I'm an retired Albertan on CPP and I support Alberta getting out of CPP . I don't trust the federal government .
Alberta is entitled to near half of the CPP assets because of the huge amount of our contributions, more than any other province in Canada. That's the only reason the feds will fight this. The millions in our natural resource monies they would no longer receive.
These aren't transfer payments, CPP comes off everyone's paycheque. It's not as if people in Alberta contribute more than any other province. Given the way the UCP has tanked the teachers pension fund that they just decided to take over, I don't want them anywhere near my pension.
Notice how the feds are not fighting Quebec to bring that province into the glorious Canada Pension Plan! If that Plan is so fantastic, why wouldn't Quebec be wanting to join it?
Odd how there was no meantion of an APP during the recent election. Now she’s going the Full Monty.
Yeah, Smith slithered right in there with her far-right-wing-radical thinking. Most Albertans I know (even if they voted for her) want her to keep her hands off our CPP.
To @user-bu9ju5ic9h: You must have been listening to Toronto's CBC, or Toronto's CTV, or Toronto's Global News during the recent election.
Canada needs to get its act together, but the CPP is not fair, that's for damn sure, it doesn't mean we should split Provinces. We have people here that make $150 an hour, so they single handedly add more to the CPP than 4 or more people out east put together. All we want here in Alberta is to be left to do what we know how to do and be recognized as a major driving force, behind Canada's wealth and even technological developments. We wouldn't think twice to support Canada, if we had our own rules and not be fucked with like we are children and made artificially poor by pathetic laws, bills and regulations. The nonsense that might work out east, doesn't fly over here. Leave us to work and play and we are happy like a pig in the compost pile ;)
ALBERTA STRONG!
you do realize that there is MAXIMUM CPP deduction? A person making $150/hr pays no more than a person making $30/hr annually. Maximum CPP contribution is $3,754.45
Sure it makes sense Alberta. Less people that contribute to a pension the less your contributions will be and the less contributions you put in the more you’ll get when you retire. Keep believing that.
Think about it.
Keep your hands off our CPP Conservative party.
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CPP & EI Should not be mandatory. People should have the choice to opt in/out of the ponzi schemes.
If Trudeau manages to wrangle another term the federation will fracture and I see Alberta beginning the stage to exit. If that happens you'll see a mass exodus from Canada into Alberta. However only if they join the US. It's a bit of a headache and would take years of referendums, hearings, protests and threats but it could very well work.
dude do you see alberta population larger than ontario or quebec? nope. there is a reason for that. you wont see a mass exodus moving to alberta but likely alot of people moving out of alberta. end of the day alberta doesnt have a diversified economy or manufacturing, its completely dependent on oil and gas. and with the world moving towards green tech that spells disaster for alberta.
I beg to differ. Alberta has the only viable oil and gas fields in Canada, they have a lot to offer. Manufacturing would move in quickly if Alberta went alone. The US could be a very strategic partner as well.@@giovanni-ed7zq
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 lulz look alberta is a commodity based economy. the financial and manufacturing hubs are in the east where most of the population of canada lives. you gonna have to deal with that elect centrist leaders if you want to have a chance in federal elections is the hint.
Sorry about last reply, I think I sent it to the wrong person.
@@giovanni-ed7zqour natural resources / oil and gas will never stop. Funding the province and the rest of Canada with billions of dollars for yrs and yrs to come.
Love it!!! Support it ALL the way!!
Don’t change your mind about alberta pension plan:: get rid of RCMP:: No more being dictated by federal government
If it ain't broke ? there's a lot of things that have not been mentioned the big one is at present CPP has a disability payment system. If you end up disabled you can draw from CPP, is this going to be covered/
I wish i was born in alberta. I cant wait to move there.
Cheaper gas also lol
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
I am from BC and cannot blame Alberta for what they are trying to do. The BC premier does not seem to have a thick skin and buckles under Ottawa's pressure. Because I am a British Columbian I feel that BC is the only compliant province.
The word work together must lost on you.
@@freedomlife3623Tell that to Ottawa. Wake me up when they start working with the West instead if dictating to it.
Yeah, except your province doesn’t matter when the federal vote comes it’s already decided you have literally no say in Canada has run Plus your province is broke even with your 12% HST. We have 5% GST and still pay billions and billions in transfer payments to the rest of the provinces Honestly, we don’t need the rest of Canada. Truthfully, they need us.
I think that BC is a compliant province because its provincial NDP government admires the federal government- at least as long as the federal NDP remains part of it. The BC provincial government has now sent the provincial debt soaring past 100 billion dollars, and, unlike Alberta, BC doesn't have any future oil export revenues to help bring that debt back down should the people of BC ever again decide not to vote NDP. Nor does the BC government seem to mind the fact that BC has only 6 seats in Canada's Senate, while Quebec and Ontario have 24 seats each and New Brunswick and Nova Scotia have 10 seats each. It will be interesting to see how content BC will be to remain in Confederation if Albertans ever see the sense of getting their province out before it is too late.