Just took delivery of one of these, and it is very well made, tight tension when opening, no wobble, no bend in my can opener, just the jog designed into the part. It came wrapped in paper like a FROST Knife too. Definitely better quality that the Schrade Old Timer 230T I ordered at the same time; which is still a decent tool in and of itself. Would be nice however if the bail were biased to stay under the knife instead of in the path of the main blade, even the silly box has the only place for the bail up and covering the end of the big blade. While not too sharp when this knife/tool combo showed up, a couple of minutes on a strop rendered a superbly sharp main blade. Thanks for turning me onto Rough Rider's in general, your video rant about the BIG R on the bolster just popped up in my feed and made me curious. I'm more about hunting or crafting fixed blades, but used to collect a few pocket knives many years ago; most never got carried though and I gave away quite a few of them over the ensuing years. Now you've rekindled that love/hate affair with smaller folders; they are just so dang pretty really, and now I have more than a few on the way.
Glad I could bring you back to the love/hate fold. The best thing about Rough Ryders the build quality is pretty decent for the price and you're not going to broke picking them up. .
So far, I have the Canoe Classic Carbon II. By comparison, I have the Red Fox Canoe as well. As you noted, the CCII is heftier than other models. I noted the same. The CCII Canoe is wider and heavier than the Red Fox. The blades themselves are also thicker on the CCII. I don't necessarily mind this. I like a bit of heft to a knife. The scales have a very nice grip to them as well. The fit and finish is better with the Red Fox. The CCII has a notable gap, on the back, between the springs. I recently picked up a second CCII Canoe (in a shipping mix up). It also has the same gap. Thanks for the informative video, as always.
Pity about the gapping. I think sometimes they over think things when they start coming out with new knives - essentially fixing stuff that wasn't broken and breaking the knife in the process. I'm thinking the thicker blades might have something to do with the different steel being used. I had mentioned to the folks at SMKW that it seems like the folks making their Carbon bladed knives (and other steels) are learning all over how to make knives. They are still playing catch up when it comes to the quality compared to the knives made in 440A. The other issues is their current fascination with half stops, swedges, and some other tooling they have started doing. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it leads to unanticipated quality issues.
@KnifeChatswithTobias you could very well be right. I think them sometimes lean into the collectibilty of the knife, over the form and function. I admit, I like the look of the swedge, but sometimes on the closed blade, the swedge can create a sharp edge that digs into the hand.
The bottle opener wouldn't open a single bottle from my fridge, now way, no how. So the one thing I wanted this knife for is a total fail. I could probably re-grind it to make it work, but the nail nick is buried so deeply it's a pain to open in the first place. And you can drive a Mack truck between the gaps on the tools. Otherwise the one I got was surprisingly good. Still a $12 write-off though.
They really need to rethink and rejigger these knives. Maybe the reason people don't buy their camp knives is because they are doing a lousy job at making sure the cap lifter works and getting a decent edge on the can openers. That style of can opener is over 60 years old. The caplifter/screwdriver is over a 100 years old. They really should be able to get it right.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I did have a chance to try the can opener last night and at least that worked for me. The geometry was ok, and even without an edge it was able to open a can just fine.
Tobias you might want to check the heat treat on the steel. I ordered the pen knife and as i was inspecting it out of the box, i snapped the pen blade right off with minimal pressure from just my fingers alone.
Good review of your Classic Carbon Scout knife. Wouldn't have thought of running hot water on a carbon bladed knife but obviously it worked. Thanks Tobias.
I bought a Marble's scout knife and the can opener is completely blunt. On my old Cub Scout knife, it was sharpened. And the giant beak... and the hidden nail nick on the punch... Is there any well designed Scout Knife currently in production? It looks like the classic carbon isn't good either.
Tobias, it looks like all of your campaigning for Camp knives has paid off. SMKW has come out with a few of them recently, starting with the Camp King, then the Classic Carbon ll, and most recently the Tiger Stripe Scout Knife. Good to see it!
Looking at knife steel composition charts, T10 is MUCH more than just a Chinese 1095. More of a "tool steel". 1095 steel is just carbon and manganese added. T10 also has Tungsten (that's the "T") Chromium, Vanadium, Phosphorus, Silicon and Sulfur added to the mix. It also looks to have a much higher Rockwell hardness potential of: 64-67. Versus: 56-60 for 1095. It could be more brittle than 1095, but have better edge retention potential.
What most sources says is T10 is similar in performance to 1095 and has a similar carbon content. But you are correct, it is not just the name the Chinese give to 1095. I've read in a few places that while T10 can be hardened to a higher Rockwell it will cause it to be brittle so a lower hardening is preferred. I think it is safer to say that T10 is closer to a 1095CV than just plain vanilla 1095. Thanks for the comment. It does help to clarify the topic.
Chicago knife works has an amber bone camp knife (RR533). Other than the covers, is that the same as the red one you show here? I definitely prefer the thinner profile and brass spacer. I hope they eventually do a scout knife in smooth bone and nickel silver. It would also be nice to see them integrate a flathead driver into other patterns. Something with the elegant lines of a sowbelly or copperhead and the versatility of a little driver/light pry tool would be nice for edc.
After seeing this knife; it is a heavy duty version of the older ones. If you wanted a no frills model that will take abuse better under hard use this one is made for that. It’s not pretty and shiny as the older ones. It will look great hanging from a carpenter’s belt and fits the need for a rough use knife to a T. There is less chance of the covers cracking from being dropped and if it does get scratched; up it’s made for that as well. It would be nice if they made different color ones next. They would sell more if they did; basic red, green, blue, yellow, orange and even white ones would sell like hot cakes. The small difference in color to a tradesman makes them know the knife is theirs. If they would exchange the can opener for a hook blade and change the bottle opener to a wood chisel or small sturdy coping blade would make a real work knife no else makes.
Thanks Tobias for a good review on this new series of Roughies! I love them and the big R doesn’t really bug me one way or the other. I think the blue liner is very nice. I like it when they add that design feature. I definitely want to pick up some of the knives in this series. I love the denim micarta series and it’s one of my favorites to carry. Great video, hope you have a great day!
When you gave it a thumbs up I ordered one. I found the exact opposite of yours. My can opener worked flawlessly but the cap lifter was quite the struggle. I can remove a little stock with the dremmel and make it work better. It's a shame they can't do a cap lifter/ screwdriver blade like a S.A.K...love your videos.
That's a good point! Knife makers have been putting caplifters blades on knives for over a hundred years! Why is it Rough Ryder seems to be hit or miss. I was hoping it was fixed but I guess I was just lucky this time!
Thats very nice, i might invest in one now , . Have you got the scout tiger stripe yet? It's just went on sale here in the UK, unfortunately it also has the R, I would have to display it show side bown.
Very nice looking knife. Glad it came with a functional cap lifter too! The bend in that can opener is a little strange, but as long as it works, then good to go I guess. Thanks for showing this one, buddy.
I was so excited when they first came out with a new camp knife but the initial thrill wore off quickly. I'm not sure what they were thinking or if they were thinking at all.
It should look like the Kamp King. That said, the blade layout is like the Marble’s GI knife. And the hideous black & orange G10 Marble’s popped at almost the same time. Marble’s is owned by blue grass cutlery but SMKW makes their Chinese made knives for them in the Rough Ryder Factory. So yeah. Pretty much
@@Checkmate1954 , why are you giving them Ideas. I have every l large toothpicks that has been produced by Rough Ryder and Marble's. I'd probably get it. It would be the "orange headed step child" of the collection. But I'd much rather see one in stag or white smooth bone.
As always, I'm late to the party, just found your channel and must admit you have some unique content. However, as an "outsider" I immediately could see the problem with the very sad state of things on here and that cap lifter debacle; Corona beer. Might I suggest a switch to Modelo Especial if you like a lighter Germanesque styled brew or the Negro Modelo for times when only 'darkness' will suffice. Yeah, and cook out more often, Modelo goes well with wood smoke wafting through the air; mesquite or red oak seem to make the best rib-eye results; your mileage may vary. All kidding aside, glad you made this report update as it really had me worried since Rough Rider and Marbels seem to use the same cap lifters, and I have both models on order and due to arrive within hours. Honestly, I did not need to find your channel, I am a wonderful enabler of addictive behavior my own self. Now at least, I can blame you for adding fuel to my collecting fire; hope ya don't mind. Don't worry though, I won't mention the kitty who reminds me of my own best buddy, man and kitty stuff always remain private with me. Oh, and I'm from SoCal, don't hold that against me though. Cheers!
LOL! I will not argue beer with you. That Corona was in my basement for several months. Modelo might last for a week if it was in the house. The Corona was bought because it's the beer of my brother in law.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Brothers in law? That explains it. Why their reps are better than mothers in law's I'll never understand. Have had two mothers in law in my life and both were/are wonderful ladies, friends even.
This thing really pushed all my nostalgia buttons from when I was a kid. Picked one up and have been pretty darn happy with it. Only issue is a bit of blade rub between the main blade and the awl, but not enough I can’t live with it. I previously had a Uncle Henry scout and it was terrible compared to this, cost more and literally started falling apart after a few weeks. I think RR may be the last brand making a decent scout knife anymore.
Probably so, these days. Back in the 1950’s you could often find Carbon back springs on knives with stainless blades. The carbon steel was less expensive and less prone to breaking.
Great review, Tobias. I have several of the RR camp knives, including this one. Each has its own good and bad points. For instance, I prefer the long awl on the older models. I also prefer the less chunky ones. BUT I love the carbon steel and micarta on this new one. Like other things in life, there's a tradeoff.
If you're looking for a thinner camp knife get yourself a Utica KutMaster Girl Scout knife, same basic tools in a lot slimmer package, very pocket friendly.
It's not awful. The steel is 7Cr so a little softer than 440A but again not horrible. It has a short screwdriver. What I don't like is the way the sawcut Delrin looks. I really should do a review of it especially since it is still readily available.
A quick follow up. I just looked at the 23OT. I still give the nod to the 533 but that is just me. But I like the 23OT quite a bit more than the Classic Carbon II. It just looks cleaner. The 23OT has a satin finish to the blades but it feels very solid. The blades are a little lazy opening but there is no side to side movement. And as I said, 7Cr vs 440A Vs T10. How imporant is carbon steel and/or slightly better stainless steel. Most important different is probably difference in the can opener and how important a modern can opener is to you. Plus the other major differences: long screwdriver and bone vs short screwdriver and composition/delrin....
Nice video , i like that rough rider is coming out with more carbon steel. I really wish they would learn to crink blades over there, like you said, too fat. Seems to be the norm on a lot of their multiblades....anyway thanks for the looks 👍
Agreed. Much of the crinking also seems to be counter-productive as it seems the blade is first bent one way only to be re-bent back to where was in the first place. It is like one end of the knife is not paying attention to what is located on the other end.
I agree completly with what you say about cleaning, but maybe 1 in 10 of new knives I buy need it. I recently bought an RR so full of black shmutz that one of the blades did not properly close. Its grinding dust and then they add oil to make it more nasty. Right now I am playing with an RR2257 that came in my subscription box and it arrived clean as a whistle. Like I said maybe 1 in 10.
Pretty dang nice, I picked one up as well as the Seahorse Whittler impatiently waiting for them to arrive. I also grabbed a Tiger stripe Bone Scout from RR not sure if it’s a new one but it’s new to Me. Thanks for the review Tobias 👍
Nice knife, great video. Just curious, is there much difference between knife oil and plain gun oil? I know alot of the various firearms lubricants promise the moon but really aren't much different than old 10W-30 motor oil. Is there something special about the properties of knife oil?
I’d rather have black bone and no big R, too. But this series is damn good looking. That swayback whittler in yellow is cool, but the black one is gorgeous. Do it in black bone with a plain bolster, and it would be magnificent. I would write poems to it. Tobias, is the Painted Desert series the same as root beer composition? I see Blade Matrix has a few root beer RRs and I’ve never heard of that. ?
@@jimmyj4811 So someone at Blade Matrix must have found Painted Desert a bit high-falutin’ and listed them as root beer. Too funny. Did your 64 arrive, and are they awesome?
@@skcamerican Yes, I ended up with some very nice knives for the collection. Not all their knives were properly listed, such as the "root beer" ones (they come in Painted Desert boxes and are in fact Painted Desert models).
This is exactly why I hate ordering from SMKW, every one of my knives have had issues, I've never gotten one from them that I felt satisfied....there's always something, I started thinking maybe since Im in the next state over (Arkansas) that they dont like me and sending me all the returns...lol
Great review Tobias as always. Nice knife, but that big honkin R just hurts my eyes. If they would make this with plain bolsters I would be all over it. I have RR knives, and they are great knives. All are R less though. Look forward to your next review.
I own all yellow Classic Carbons but thus series I stopped buying after 3 knives, the micarta us so horribly rough it's almost unbearable to the eye imo.
I've got three of the black micarta, as well. The yellow comp series blows the black micarta out of the water. This is coming from a person who is indifferent to yellow comp! If given the choice, I would say take the yellow comp by all means! I wish the camp knife was in Yellow Comp.
I remember some that looks like you; saying I will never buy another Knife with a big ugly R stamped on the bolster. I guess carbon fiber is different than micarta too. Too bad they didn’t make it with copper bolsters and a frost etch blade. Did the knife fairy leave it under your pillow?😂🤣😁😆
I’ve been pretty good about avoiding the Big R. But then they do this Scout knife in T10. And we’re talking two strikes! Micarta and Big R. At least there isn’t a cleaver blade, reverse frosted etch and copper bolsters ! I’m kicking myself.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Other than the R they made this knife for you. I spent my money on a RR533 and a Dog Bone Jack because the guy that looks like you recommend to get one.😏🙌
Confidentially, I bought this knife to give to Skip DeSheau. For some reason that guy likes the Big R. He keeps asking me to have a "Big R" day at his club. But I'm not going to buy a drink for a guy who goes to the Volcano Club with a "Big R" Rough Ryder! Me personally, the RR533 is a better made knife!
Hey Tobias that steel is super weak that 440A in other terms blows!!!!!! That steel is junk and this is coming from someone that has about 75 of them they are what they are!!!!!! Thanks bud
do you mean the T10 is weaker than the 440A or that both steels blow? I have not used the T10 much. All I can say about the Rough Ryder 440A is it seems to get the job done for me. I'm not expecting miracles and I don't need to spend $$$ for MagnaCut or the latest/greatest super steel. As you said, it is what it is. And that if $15 for a knife. that uses a steel that is said to be similar to 1095.
Thank you for answering a lot of my questions. I bought this earlier.
Loved your commentary. Nice kitty.
Just took delivery of one of these, and it is very well made, tight tension when opening, no wobble, no bend in my can opener, just the jog designed into the part. It came wrapped in paper like a FROST Knife too. Definitely better quality that the Schrade Old Timer 230T I ordered at the same time; which is still a decent tool in and of itself.
Would be nice however if the bail were biased to stay under the knife instead of in the path of the main blade, even the silly box has the only place for the bail up and covering the end of the big blade. While not too sharp when this knife/tool combo showed up, a couple of minutes on a strop rendered a superbly sharp main blade.
Thanks for turning me onto Rough Rider's in general, your video rant about the BIG R on the bolster just popped up in my feed and made me curious. I'm more about hunting or crafting fixed blades, but used to collect a few pocket knives many years ago; most never got carried though and I gave away quite a few of them over the ensuing years.
Now you've rekindled that love/hate affair with smaller folders; they are just so dang pretty really, and now I have more than a few on the way.
Glad I could bring you back to the love/hate fold. The best thing about Rough Ryders the build quality is pretty decent for the price and you're not going to broke picking them up. .
Great video! I just ordered this one!
So far, I have the Canoe Classic Carbon II. By comparison, I have the Red Fox Canoe as well. As you noted, the CCII is heftier than other models. I noted the same. The CCII Canoe is wider and heavier than the Red Fox. The blades themselves are also thicker on the CCII. I don't necessarily mind this. I like a bit of heft to a knife. The scales have a very nice grip to them as well. The fit and finish is better with the Red Fox. The CCII has a notable gap, on the back, between the springs. I recently picked up a second CCII Canoe (in a shipping mix up). It also has the same gap. Thanks for the informative video, as always.
Pity about the gapping. I think sometimes they over think things when they start coming out with new knives - essentially fixing stuff that wasn't broken and breaking the knife in the process. I'm thinking the thicker blades might have something to do with the different steel being used. I had mentioned to the folks at SMKW that it seems like the folks making their Carbon bladed knives (and other steels) are learning all over how to make knives. They are still playing catch up when it comes to the quality compared to the knives made in 440A. The other issues is their current fascination with half stops, swedges, and some other tooling they have started doing. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it leads to unanticipated quality issues.
@KnifeChatswithTobias you could very well be right. I think them sometimes lean into the collectibilty of the knife, over the form and function. I admit, I like the look of the swedge, but sometimes on the closed blade, the swedge can create a sharp edge that digs into the hand.
you've really got me into these scout/camp knives now. great video, thanks.
Glad you like them!
Thanks Tobias
I was at SMKW this past weekend and I bought some Rough Ryders . I picked up the nomad , smooth bone cotton sampler , and the marlin spike .
I used a small hammer to tap down a loose bail (bale?) and it worked great. I don't like them being loosey goosey.
Another great moment with the gang. All the best Tobias.
Thank you.
The bottle opener wouldn't open a single bottle from my fridge, now way, no how. So the one thing I wanted this knife for is a total fail. I could probably re-grind it to make it work, but the nail nick is buried so deeply it's a pain to open in the first place. And you can drive a Mack truck between the gaps on the tools. Otherwise the one I got was surprisingly good. Still a $12 write-off though.
They really need to rethink and rejigger these knives. Maybe the reason people don't buy their camp knives is because they are doing a lousy job at making sure the cap lifter works and getting a decent edge on the can openers. That style of can opener is over 60 years old. The caplifter/screwdriver is over a 100 years old. They really should be able to get it right.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I did have a chance to try the can opener last night and at least that worked for me. The geometry was ok, and even without an edge it was able to open a can just fine.
@@rockets4kids , I have an upcoming video that is going to address the caplifter once again.
Awesome looking knife Tobias! Thanks for putting this together. A lovely addition to your camp knife collection!
Tobias you might want to check the heat treat on the steel. I ordered the pen knife and as i was inspecting it out of the box, i snapped the pen blade right off with minimal pressure from just my fingers alone.
That’s a shame.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias yeah it was a shame. I was amazed how brittle the steel was.
I an really enjoying this series quite a bit!! Thanks for the run down on the Scout knife Tobias!!
Good review of your Classic Carbon Scout knife. Wouldn't have thought of running hot water on a carbon bladed knife but obviously it worked. Thanks Tobias.
I’ve always cleaned knives with hot soapy water, regardless if steel type. They key is to remove all the water before storage.
I recently bought a case xx scout knife and it’s my favorite knife I own
@@pork-chopxpress yeah I sharpened the can opener and use it as a box cutter, works great
I bought a Marble's scout knife and the can opener is completely blunt. On my old Cub Scout knife, it was sharpened. And the giant beak... and the hidden nail nick on the punch... Is there any well designed Scout Knife currently in production? It looks like the classic carbon isn't good either.
Just got this knife recently and so far, I like it very much. It will be interesting to see it patina!
Tobias, it looks like all of your campaigning for Camp knives has paid off. SMKW has come out with a few of them recently, starting with the Camp King, then the Classic Carbon ll, and most recently the Tiger Stripe Scout Knife. Good to see it!
Looking at knife steel composition charts, T10 is MUCH more than just a Chinese 1095. More of a "tool steel". 1095 steel is just carbon and manganese added. T10 also has Tungsten (that's the "T") Chromium, Vanadium, Phosphorus, Silicon and Sulfur added to the mix. It also looks to have a much higher Rockwell hardness potential of: 64-67. Versus: 56-60 for 1095. It could be more brittle than 1095, but have better edge retention potential.
What most sources says is T10 is similar in performance to 1095 and has a similar carbon content. But you are correct, it is not just the name the Chinese give to 1095. I've read in a few places that while T10 can be hardened to a higher Rockwell it will cause it to be brittle so a lower hardening is preferred. I think it is safer to say that T10 is closer to a 1095CV than just plain vanilla 1095. Thanks for the comment. It does help to clarify the topic.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Very much looking forward to giving this steel a try. Thanks.!
Maybe they used the 25th Anniversary Shield because the Plant had a bunch laying around
Chicago knife works has an amber bone camp knife (RR533). Other than the covers, is that the same as the red one you show here? I definitely prefer the thinner profile and brass spacer. I hope they eventually do a scout knife in smooth bone and nickel silver. It would also be nice to see them integrate a flathead driver into other patterns. Something with the elegant lines of a sowbelly or copperhead and the versatility of a little driver/light pry tool would be nice for edc.
Yep! EXact same knife. The 533 is amber, the 573, is red
@@KnifeChatswithTobias awesome, thanks!
Would one of the worst things about this model be its bulk?
Yeah, it is way over built. I look at this knife and then the older RR Scout Knives and just shake my head. This could've been so much better.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias glad I passed on it, got the swayback instead
After seeing this knife; it is a heavy duty version of the older ones. If you wanted a no frills model that will take abuse better under hard use this one is made for that. It’s not pretty and shiny as the older ones. It will look great hanging from a carpenter’s belt and fits the need for a rough use knife to a T. There is less chance of the covers cracking from being dropped and if it does get scratched; up it’s made for that as well. It would be nice if they made different color ones next. They would sell more if they did; basic red, green, blue, yellow, orange and even white ones would sell like hot cakes. The small difference in color to a tradesman makes them know the knife is theirs. If they would exchange the can opener for a hook blade and change the bottle opener to a wood chisel or small sturdy coping blade would make a real work knife no else makes.
Sounds like a great idea! Andy, are you listening?
could you make video with comparasion to tiger stripes scout knife?
Thanks Tobias for a good review on this new series of Roughies! I love them and the big R doesn’t really bug me one way or the other. I think the blue liner is very nice. I like it when they add that design feature. I definitely want to pick up some of the knives in this series. I love the denim micarta series and it’s one of my favorites to carry. Great video, hope you have a great day!
Can't wait. Just gotta keep that old man nap from happening just a little longer...😂
LOL
Boy do i feel that too! Especially with the 100 degree weather we have got here now.
Love Rough Ryder as you well know!😁
When you gave it a thumbs up I ordered one. I found the exact opposite of yours. My can opener worked flawlessly but the cap lifter was quite the struggle. I can remove a little stock with the dremmel and make it work better. It's a shame they can't do a cap lifter/ screwdriver blade like a S.A.K...love your videos.
That's a good point! Knife makers have been putting caplifters blades on knives for over a hundred years! Why is it Rough Ryder seems to be hit or miss. I was hoping it was fixed but I guess I was just lucky this time!
Hello. On the stoneworx series doctors knife, is the pearl and malachite genuine or synthetic? Thanks!
The malachite is a synth stone. The Pearl is genuine
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Thanks!
Thats very nice, i might invest in one now , . Have you got the scout tiger stripe yet? It's just went on sale here in the UK, unfortunately it also has the R, I would have to display it show side bown.
Very nice looking knife. Glad it came with a functional cap lifter too! The bend in that can opener is a little strange, but as long as it works, then good to go I guess. Thanks for showing this one, buddy.
I only have the amber camp knife (old version). I should have bought both...
They need 3 spring set to do what Case used to do with 2 smdh 😤
I was so excited when they first came out with a new camp knife but the initial thrill wore off quickly. I'm not sure what they were thinking or if they were thinking at all.
That scout knife looks suspiciously like the Marbels scout knife
It should look like the Kamp King. That said, the blade layout is like the Marble’s GI knife. And the hideous black & orange G10 Marble’s popped at almost the same time. Marble’s is owned by blue grass cutlery but SMKW makes their Chinese made knives for them in the Rough Ryder Factory. So yeah. Pretty much
@@KnifeChatswithTobias What if Marbles came out with a "hideous black & orange" 5 inch toothpick?
@@Checkmate1954 , why are you giving them Ideas. I have every l large toothpicks that has been produced by Rough Ryder and Marble's. I'd probably get it. It would be the "orange headed step child" of the collection. But I'd much rather see one in stag or white smooth bone.
I have the RR Scout knife in the Red Tiger Stripe. It looks better in person than on the web site. It's well made.
As always, I'm late to the party, just found your channel and must admit you have some unique content. However, as an "outsider" I immediately could see the problem with the very sad state of things on here and that cap lifter debacle; Corona beer. Might I suggest a switch to Modelo Especial if you like a lighter Germanesque styled brew or the Negro Modelo for times when only 'darkness' will suffice. Yeah, and cook out more often, Modelo goes well with wood smoke wafting through the air; mesquite or red oak seem to make the best rib-eye results; your mileage may vary.
All kidding aside, glad you made this report update as it really had me worried since Rough Rider and Marbels seem to use the same cap lifters, and I have both models on order and due to arrive within hours. Honestly, I did not need to find your channel, I am a wonderful enabler of addictive behavior my own self. Now at least, I can blame you for adding fuel to my collecting fire; hope ya don't mind. Don't worry though, I won't mention the kitty who reminds me of my own best buddy, man and kitty stuff always remain private with me. Oh, and I'm from SoCal, don't hold that against me though. Cheers!
LOL! I will not argue beer with you. That Corona was in my basement for several months. Modelo might last for a week if it was in the house. The Corona was bought because it's the beer of my brother in law.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Brothers in law? That explains it. Why their reps are better than mothers in law's I'll never understand. Have had two mothers in law in my life and both were/are wonderful ladies, friends even.
This thing really pushed all my nostalgia buttons from when I was a kid. Picked one up and have been pretty darn happy with it. Only issue is a bit of blade rub between the main blade and the awl, but not enough I can’t live with it. I previously had a Uncle Henry scout and it was terrible compared to this, cost more and literally started falling apart after a few weeks. I think RR may be the last brand making a decent scout knife anymore.
Great thoughts on this knife buddy! I think it would look better in black bone!! The black bone just looks sharp!! No pun intended.
The back spring id guess would be stainless to me using carbon steel wouldnt make sense
Probably so, these days. Back in the 1950’s you could often find Carbon back springs on knives with stainless blades. The carbon steel was less expensive and less prone to breaking.
I grabbed the pen knife and bow trapper so far . The tiger stripe camp knife looks nice also . I'm also going to grab the Marbles camp knife in G10 .
Great review, Tobias. I have several of the RR camp knives, including this one. Each has its own good and bad points. For instance, I prefer the long awl on the older models. I also prefer the less chunky ones. BUT I love the carbon steel and micarta on this new one. Like other things in life, there's a tradeoff.
You are correct. It comes down to if the good features out weigh the less desirable stuff.
If you're looking for a thinner camp knife get yourself a Utica KutMaster Girl Scout knife, same basic tools in a lot slimmer package, very pocket friendly.
Scoutknife without R and large toothpick, i hope RR is taking notes. Thank you for the review Tobias.
Have you got the old timer 230T camp knife? I am torn whether to get this or the rough rider 533, any thoughts?
It's not awful. The steel is 7Cr so a little softer than 440A but again not horrible. It has a short screwdriver. What I don't like is the way the sawcut Delrin looks. I really should do a review of it especially since it is still readily available.
A quick follow up. I just looked at the 23OT. I still give the nod to the 533 but that is just me. But I like the 23OT quite a bit more than the Classic Carbon II. It just looks cleaner. The 23OT has a satin finish to the blades but it feels very solid. The blades are a little lazy opening but there is no side to side movement. And as I said, 7Cr vs 440A Vs T10. How imporant is carbon steel and/or slightly better stainless steel. Most important different is probably difference in the can opener and how important a modern can opener is to you. Plus the other major differences: long screwdriver and bone vs short screwdriver and composition/delrin....
@@KnifeChatswithTobias thanks for info, I was leaning to the rough rider so will order one.
Nice video , i like that rough rider is coming out with more carbon steel. I really wish they would learn to crink blades over there, like you said, too fat. Seems to be the norm on a lot of their multiblades....anyway thanks for the looks 👍
Agreed. Much of the crinking also seems to be counter-productive as it seems the blade is first bent one way only to be re-bent back to where was in the first place. It is like one end of the knife is not paying attention to what is located on the other end.
Yeah well what do you expect at that price
I agree completly with what you say about cleaning, but maybe 1 in 10 of new knives I buy need it. I recently bought an RR so full of black shmutz that one of the blades did not properly close. Its grinding dust and then they add oil to make it more nasty. Right now I am playing with an RR2257 that came in my subscription box and it arrived clean as a whistle. Like I said maybe 1 in 10.
Pretty dang nice, I picked one up as well as the Seahorse Whittler impatiently waiting for them to arrive. I also grabbed a Tiger stripe Bone Scout from RR not sure if it’s a new one but it’s new to Me. Thanks for the review Tobias 👍
Love it
I see they have a toothpick in the pattern, but hot a large one
Nice knife, great video. Just curious, is there much difference between knife oil and plain gun oil? I know alot of the various firearms lubricants promise the moon but really aren't much different than old 10W-30 motor oil. Is there something special about the properties of knife oil?
I’d rather have black bone and no big R, too. But this series is damn good looking. That swayback whittler in yellow is cool, but the black one is gorgeous. Do it in black bone with a plain bolster, and it would be magnificent. I would write poems to it. Tobias, is the Painted Desert series the same as root beer composition? I see Blade Matrix has a few root beer RRs and I’ve never heard of that. ?
They are indeed painted deserts.
@@jimmyj4811 So someone at Blade Matrix must have found Painted Desert a bit high-falutin’ and listed them as root beer. Too funny. Did your 64 arrive, and are they awesome?
@@skcamerican Yes, I ended up with some very nice knives for the collection. Not all their knives were properly listed, such as the "root beer" ones (they come in Painted Desert boxes and are in fact Painted Desert models).
This is exactly why I hate ordering from SMKW, every one of my knives have had issues, I've never gotten one from them that I felt satisfied....there's always something, I started thinking maybe since Im in the next state over (Arkansas) that they dont like me and sending me all the returns...lol
Great review Tobias as always. Nice knife, but that big honkin R just hurts my eyes. If they would make this with plain bolsters I would be all over it. I have RR knives, and they are great knives. All are R less though. Look forward to your next review.
Send it back, bent is bent.
Never understand why they don't match carbon with bone.
dang, now I gotta get all three of these. I am ending up with a whole bunch of R/R's, and it's all yo fault.:>)
I own all yellow Classic Carbons but thus series I stopped buying after 3 knives, the micarta us so horribly rough it's almost unbearable to the eye imo.
I've got three of the black micarta, as well. The yellow comp series blows the black micarta out of the water. This is coming from a person who is indifferent to yellow comp! If given the choice, I would say take the yellow comp by all means! I wish the camp knife was in Yellow Comp.
I remember some that looks like you; saying I will never buy another Knife with a big ugly R stamped on the bolster. I guess carbon fiber is different than micarta too. Too bad they didn’t make it with copper bolsters and a frost etch blade. Did the knife fairy leave it under your pillow?😂🤣😁😆
I’ve been pretty good about avoiding the Big R. But then they do this Scout knife in T10. And we’re talking two strikes! Micarta and Big R. At least there isn’t a cleaver blade, reverse frosted etch and copper bolsters ! I’m kicking myself.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Other than the R they made this knife for you. I spent my money on a RR533 and a Dog Bone Jack because the guy that looks like you recommend to get one.😏🙌
Confidentially, I bought this knife to give to Skip DeSheau. For some reason that guy likes the Big R. He keeps asking me to have a "Big R" day at his club. But I'm not going to buy a drink for a guy who goes to the Volcano Club with a "Big R" Rough Ryder! Me personally, the RR533 is a better made knife!
The punch on mine was defective. The end was bent or unfinished and there were 2 dings on the edge. The metal seemed cheap and weak. Disappointed.
The world is harder on us southpaws
You can say that again! But we adapt and overcome.
Hey Tobias that steel is super weak that 440A in other terms blows!!!!!! That steel is junk and this is coming from someone that has about 75 of them they are what they are!!!!!! Thanks bud
do you mean the T10 is weaker than the 440A or that both steels blow? I have not used the T10 much. All I can say about the Rough Ryder 440A is it seems to get the job done for me. I'm not expecting miracles and I don't need to spend $$$ for MagnaCut or the latest/greatest super steel. As you said, it is what it is. And that if $15 for a knife. that uses a steel that is said to be similar to 1095.
Somehow doesn't look perdy to me, kamp king is my choice.