I love Norman Lindsay, one of my absolute favorites. There's a funny story about how, when he was working from his home in Australia, so many of his nude female figures had the same distinctive look because living out in the middle of nowhere as he did, he only had one woman willing to model for him! He kept her in steady work, though!
Hello and I think that was his second wife, Rose. There's a fetching photo of her in her undergarments next to Norman, who looks pleased with himself,on google. The dreadful film 'Sirens' depicted him as having a gaggle of lovelies at his disposal, but that's Hollywood for you.
Norman Lindsey was so versatile. His pen & ink was beyond strong. Also his positioning of characters with flow & energy to his line work. Another new Illustrator to investigate. Thanks Pete👍
Thanks again and I'm glad you enjoyed Dean's stuff. I think he's one of those guys you either love or hate. Or in my case I really can't decide. Either way he's too good to be obscure.
Hello and thanks a lot for your appreciation. And yes there is a similarity now you mention it. I would have featured him in the series but he was born just too late. (1910 is the cut-off year to qualify).
Hi Pete.... The first couple of artists here were my favorite. I really enjoy realism in my art and they hit it right on the mark. Thanks for another great video. Happy holidays to you and yours.
@@petebeard I am an illustrator, who up till recently had a really limited concept of the time period you are talking about and only ever scratched the surface with artists like Aibrey Beardley, Charles Gibson and Maxfield Parish. I have been digging and wowing at some of the amazing work I am seeing. You are doing a great work. Its appreciated.
So much treasure! At the start I thought Sullivant has a bit of a Magic Pudding thing going on and then. lo and behold, here's Norman Lindsay. The Magic Pudding is the match for and the beating of any Lewis Carroll and though I came to it late in life (at fifty odd) I love it deeply. It was published here as a hardback by NYRB in 2004 and book search companies can usually find it if you don't do s/h book shops.
Hello again Paul and my thanks for your numerous comments and insights about the various videos and the talents who populate them. It would seem that like me your tastes in illustration are wide-ranging. From Baumer to Lada is a fairly large stylistic leap, and one it's pleasing to know you appreciate. Regarding Lada I have no proof but I suspect that he just wasn't very good as a draughtsman. I hasten to add I dont think that matters at all and I would take work such as his over any number of American realists every time. And yes - Phil May of the Pretty Things, along with Dick Taylor and I can't remember the names of the other members. The first crappy band I was in used to play Rosalyn and Don't Bring Me Down constantly - and badly.
@@petebeard Playing things badly is the secret to later playing them well. Hahahaha I couldn't agree more about Lada - not about his quality as a draughtsman but the perfection of his illustrations, particularly in the Svejk context. Art, painting and drawing, is like music, in that you can fall in love with something without even really knowing why sometimes. I love Peake because I loved the Gormenghast books first and then realised I preferred him to Tenniel in Lewis Carroll. Lindsay was similar in arriving as a Magic Pudding package. Baumer I took to for lots of reasons but partly because the illustrations in early Just William books had such perfectly delineated flappers ( like Robert Brown's girlfriends or incidental characters) with long necks and sleek Louise Brooks type bobbed hair and perfect calves drawn with two swift lines........ Anyway! some of Baumer's stuff reminds me of that kind of stuff. I have an old friend who hates Norman Rockwell and though we haven't talked about it in depth I suspect it is at least partly because she was lured to the States into a marriage that has since had huge problems and she has lived through the Trump descent into chicanery, 'Karenism' and hatred and she has learnt to hate America and hates Rockwell as being representative of that. I suppose I might have overthought it and she literally just hates Rockwell but that seem so unlikely I can't bring myself to believe it. Hahahahahaha
Thanks very much for your flattering comment. I'm pleased to take some credit for the outcomes but it has to be admitted it's the quality of the illustrators featured that is the real strength of the series.
Another enjoyable homage to four wonderful illustrators. Have you created any documentaries about comic book illustrators as well as comic strip illustrators? Your vocal structure along with the research,and all of the examples shown; always present an extremely enjoyable, and relaxing tour through illustration history.Thank you for all of your sincere efforts
Hi there and thanks for liking. My knowledge of comic book artists is pretty patchy so I tend to steer clear. But I suppose it depends n who you mean. If it's the modern stuff the creators usually fall outside the years I've set myself as parameters for the unsung heroes (born 1850-1910). Frank Miller and Bernie Wrightson are about the only ones I'm familiar with. But if you sling me a few names maybe I can put a piece together...
Hello and many thanks for your appreciation. Funnily enough I also think I should have a bigger audience, but I'm grateful for those I do have, and the numbers are rising - even if slowly. And regarding books I have recently been discussing that with a publisher, but so far nothing concrete has come out of it. So I'm not optimistic but who knows?
A couple of notes on Lindsay. I first discovered him around 1976 when some of his work (including, I think the crucified Venus) was part of a show at the university art museum. His novel "Age of Consent" was made into a movie in 1969 by Michael Powell (director of The Red Shoes etc.) and it starred the young Helen Mirren (24 playing 16, I think), who was spectacular (James Mason played her lover). Lindsay himself was played by Sam Neill in the 1994 film Sirens, in which Lindsay's studio, with a seraglio of models, is invaded by a young preacher (Hugh Grant) and his vaguely unhappy wife (Tara Fitzgerald). Both movies focus on the female characters and have, I think, quite wonderful nude scenes.
Every video expands our image of history through satire. One observation that becomes increasingly clear is the domination of 'exotic desirable ladies and horny men'. Thanks for your work and research.
Hello and thanks for the latest comment. Its not that surprising really - it's what makes the world turn round, and sadly it's balanced with some pretty destructive aspects of human nature too.
I’d heard of Norman Douglas and that’s all, didn’t he do some innocuous travel illustrated books too? But what an amazing artist and terrific images. And how strange to think in this internet age that even the basic dates of someone’s life are not known! Thank you.
Hello again and I thought for a minute I'd completely lost the plot because I couldn't for the life of me remember an illustrator called Norman Douglas. But when I looked it was of course Norman Lindsay. And regarding travel books I have no idea. Certainly nothing came up in my various searches but that of course means nothing, and it's more than possible he did.
Hi again. Thanks for sticking with it. I wish I could turn them round faster - the bucket list of names just seems to keep getting longer and despite being retired the days just seem to go round faster.
pete beard I know what you mean. I am at the end of a three month vacation from touring and it went like a blink of an eye. The older I get the faster it goes. Back on the road next week. You seem to have a passion for making these videos and having a passion after retirement that you can share the others appreciate is about as good as it gets. Thanks for what you do. It’s appropriated by a bunch of us and growing. 🙏🙏🤝
Hi again, and the support you and others show for what I'm doing keeps me doing it. I hope the road is kind and more people get on board with your music.
I let out in involuntary and painful groan at the sudden (SPOILER!) destruction ending Lindsay’s story. Oh when barbary wields irony it’s a two handed slap at the spirit.
Hello, and yes I know. It seems that for every free creative spirit such as Lindsay's there are hordes of censorious yahoos who want to shut them down.
Thank you Pete for another great episode, just wanted to ask if you could there was this cartoonist called Bernard Partridge, just wanted to know if possible he might also be of great interest and would fit in wonderfully in one of your Episodes. If you already did, I must have missed it. THANK YOU!
Hello again. I may have briefly touched on Partridge in the first of my propaganda videos. But maybe not. Either way he's on the list as a definite unsung hero, and if I get round to making my planned history of Punch he'll naturally be in that. I can't say when he'll appear though - could be sooner could be later. But he will be remembered.
I love the work of Lindsay, but it's hard to find a book of his art that's affordable. Age of Consent was made into a film in 1969 starring James Mason as the Lindsay surrogate and a young Helen Mirren as his nude model. A more specific movie that romanticized Lindsay's hedonistic lifestyle was 1994's Sirens with Sam Neill playing Lindsay himself. I don't remember much about the latter, except for a lot of beautiful women in pastoral settings.
Hi and thanks for the comments. I didn't know that about Age of Consent. I had seen Sirens but it was instantly forgettable as that kind of biopic tends to be, and so long ago I hadn't even connected it with Lindsay, when I discovered his work. What a guy..
Hello and most of them can be found with a google image search. A few tips though - also try the same search with duckduckgo and you'll get some google dont necessarily show. And you can usually find more by putting in titles of books or magazines they have worked for. But don't expect too much - Pepin is particualrly hard to find stuff by unfortunately.
Interesting that Lindsay's estate keeps a tight control on release of his work in book form, what they do deign to release are way too expensive unless you're a collector/enthusiast with deep pockets. Thank goodness the internet provides a bit of a workaround! His masterful technique and enormous output is fantastic!
Hello again and you're right about Calvo's story. I find it one of the strangest and disturbing ideas for a kid's book I can think of. And I didn't know that about Norman Lindsay's estate. I suppose if there's big money to be had it's inevitable. Like you say thank heaven for the internet.
There are numerous reprints of ''Lysistrata'' that are only a few dollars and well worth the money. I had a copy and also a copy by Picasso, his contribution to the Illustrated Editions collection (Heritage).
As for Abner Dean, the anglicising of Jewish names, esp in NYC, is common and continues to this day with Jon Stewart, Woody Allen, Louis Black, etc. Black's original name was changed a generation prior, for which he expressed immense gratitude, odd as that sounds. My father used to joke about a guy with the last name Finklestein who changed his name from John to Joe. He joked about the other trend - rhinoplasty - with a rather crude rhyme. Never changed my last name, nor my nose as it defied stereotypes by nature and by chance 😛
The school i went to had a large contingent of jewish kids because of its location (and decent reputation). Most had anglicised names, but then they weren't in the main orthodox.
@@petebeard I only mentioned it because in the video you note that he changed his name but said you didn't know why. Christian names reflect ancestrial location more than any actual "Jewishness." Thus changing them is not seen as a huge issue in the main.
Hello again and the destruction of Lindsay;s work has to go down as one of the great crimes against art and freedom of expression. Not much changes...I'm reminded of the auto da fe.
@@petebeard At least Lindsay was not forced into grovellingly approving of the sentence of his persecutors! Unlike the auto da fe. And the victims of Stalin's show trials. And the 'apologies' demanded by the Cancel Culture!
*Thanks* for another presentation T.S. Sullivant is very good. Maurice Pepin's style at Hprint com (under the tab "You may be interested in") is similiar to other illustrators of Le Sourire and Rire. The 'Simp' style 😁 Has Alberto Vargus been covered? Granted he is well known.
Hello again and before I'm done I hope to feature as many of that group of illustrators as I can. I'm a sucker for the style.And Vargas has been on the list and waiting his turn for over a year now. I must see about bringing him forward in the queue.
I love Norman Lindsay, one of my absolute favorites. There's a funny story about how, when he was working from his home in Australia, so many of his nude female figures had the same distinctive look because living out in the middle of nowhere as he did, he only had one woman willing to model for him! He kept her in steady work, though!
Hello and I think that was his second wife, Rose. There's a fetching photo of her in her undergarments next to Norman, who looks pleased with himself,on google. The dreadful film 'Sirens' depicted him as having a gaggle of lovelies at his disposal, but that's Hollywood for you.
Wandering naked through an empty urban landscape sure is an evocative visual.
Yes the Freudian element of his work really resonates. The diverse nature of illustration and its uses never ceases to amaze me.
Absolutelly Brilliant! Thank you for keeping the beauty alive.
Hello again and many thabks for your appreciation.
Great work from Sullivant. Colombus Ohio has many great artist.
Thanks a lot as usual. Maybe there's something in the water..
RIP:Mr. Griffin
The bio made of your life in art was very interesting. You will always be remembered by me and many others.
Hello and thanks a lot for your appreciation.
Norman Lindsey was so versatile. His pen & ink was beyond strong. Also his positioning of characters with flow & energy to his line work.
Another new Illustrator to investigate.
Thanks Pete👍
Dedintiely one of Australia's best kept secrets. I can't get over his work being destroyed because of its sexual content.
Fantastic presentation (again) Pete! Abner Dean's work is insanely brilliant - had never heard of him, so thanks so much for introducing him to us!!!
Thanks again and I'm glad you enjoyed Dean's stuff. I think he's one of those guys you either love or hate. Or in my case I really can't decide. Either way he's too good to be obscure.
These stories are fascinating! Thank you for sharing.
Hello and I'm very pleased you think so. Thanks for watching.
Abnormal Dean what a mystery. The spell checker gave him that name. Thank you.
Thanks for your videos they are fantastic! Abner Dean’s work reminds me of Charles Addams.
Hello and thanks a lot for your appreciation. And yes there is a similarity now you mention it. I would have featured him in the series but he was born just too late. (1910 is the cut-off year to qualify).
Thanks Pete, great artists, and great images and research !
Hi Pete.... The first couple of artists here were my favorite. I really enjoy realism in my art and they hit it right on the mark. Thanks for another great video. Happy holidays to you and yours.
Hi John and thanks as ever. And greetings to you and your family.
Fantastic job. I binge watched your uploads. Please keep it up.
Hi and I'll keep going if you and others continue to like what I'm doing. Thanks
Thank you for opening my eyes.
Hello and thanks for the comment. I hope you'll continue to find more that are of interest.
@@petebeard I am an illustrator, who up till recently had a really limited concept of the time period you are talking about and only ever scratched the surface with artists like Aibrey Beardley, Charles Gibson and Maxfield Parish. I have been digging and wowing at some of the amazing work I am seeing. You are doing a great work. Its appreciated.
So much treasure!
At the start I thought Sullivant has a bit of a Magic Pudding thing going on and then. lo and behold, here's Norman Lindsay. The Magic Pudding is the match for and the beating of any Lewis Carroll and though I came to it late in life (at fifty odd) I love it deeply. It was published here as a hardback by NYRB in 2004 and book search companies can usually find it if you don't do s/h book shops.
Hello again Paul and my thanks for your numerous comments and insights about the various videos and the talents who populate them. It would seem that like me your tastes in illustration are wide-ranging. From Baumer to Lada is a fairly large stylistic leap, and one it's pleasing to know you appreciate. Regarding Lada I have no proof but I suspect that he just wasn't very good as a draughtsman. I hasten to add I dont think that matters at all and I would take work such as his over any number of American realists every time. And yes - Phil May of the Pretty Things, along with Dick Taylor and I can't remember the names of the other members. The first crappy band I was in used to play Rosalyn and Don't Bring Me Down constantly - and badly.
@@petebeard Playing things badly is the secret to later playing them well. Hahahaha
I couldn't agree more about Lada - not about his quality as a draughtsman but the perfection of his illustrations, particularly in the Svejk context.
Art, painting and drawing, is like music, in that you can fall in love with something without even really knowing why sometimes. I love Peake because I loved the Gormenghast books first and then realised I preferred him to Tenniel in Lewis Carroll. Lindsay was similar in arriving as a Magic Pudding package. Baumer I took to for lots of reasons but partly because the illustrations in early Just William books had such perfectly delineated flappers ( like Robert Brown's girlfriends or incidental characters) with long necks and sleek Louise Brooks type bobbed hair and perfect calves drawn with two swift lines........ Anyway! some of Baumer's stuff reminds me of that kind of stuff.
I have an old friend who hates Norman Rockwell and though we haven't talked about it in depth I suspect it is at least partly because she was lured to the States into a marriage that has since had huge problems and she has lived through the Trump descent into chicanery, 'Karenism' and hatred and she has learnt to hate America and hates Rockwell as being representative of that.
I suppose I might have overthought it and she literally just hates Rockwell but that seem so unlikely I can't bring myself to believe it. Hahahahahaha
You are remarkable. Incredible channel and contribution for us.
Thanks very much for your flattering comment. I'm pleased to take some credit for the outcomes but it has to be admitted it's the quality of the illustrators featured that is the real strength of the series.
Informative, well paced, and a feast for the eyeholes- Subbed!
Hello and thanks a lot for your reent comments. And thanks for your subscription - I hope you continue to find content that's of interest to you.
Great work , as always , Pete!
Amazing!
Another enjoyable homage to four wonderful illustrators. Have you created any documentaries about comic book illustrators as well as comic strip illustrators? Your vocal structure along with the research,and all of the examples shown; always present an extremely enjoyable, and relaxing tour through illustration history.Thank you for all of your sincere efforts
Hi there and thanks for liking. My knowledge of comic book artists is pretty patchy so I tend to steer clear. But I suppose it depends n who you mean. If it's the modern stuff the creators usually fall outside the years I've set myself as parameters for the unsung heroes (born 1850-1910). Frank Miller and Bernie Wrightson are about the only ones I'm familiar with. But if you sling me a few names maybe I can put a piece together...
Michael Kaluta, Barry Windsor Smith and Jeffrey Catherine Jones would be fantastic inclusions.
Hi and thanks for the suggestions. But as fast as I get some off my list others keep appearing!
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Gil Kane
Your videos are fantastic. You deserve a much wider audience. I wonder if you might ever consider writing a book.
Hello and many thanks for your appreciation. Funnily enough I also think I should have a bigger audience, but I'm grateful for those I do have, and the numbers are rising - even if slowly. And regarding books I have recently been discussing that with a publisher, but so far nothing concrete has come out of it. So I'm not optimistic but who knows?
Great video thanks
watch one video daily, like a vitamin to stay healthy. knowing they must envole eons o research. thank you . kentucky fan
Hello and thanks for that. It made me chuckle and maybe I should start billing myself as part of a healthy routine.
A couple of notes on Lindsay. I first discovered him around 1976 when some of his work (including, I think the crucified Venus) was part of a show at the university art museum. His novel "Age of Consent" was made into a movie in 1969 by Michael Powell (director of The Red Shoes etc.) and it starred the young Helen Mirren (24 playing 16, I think), who was spectacular (James Mason played her lover). Lindsay himself was played by Sam Neill in the 1994 film Sirens, in which Lindsay's studio, with a seraglio of models, is invaded by a young preacher (Hugh Grant) and his vaguely unhappy wife (Tara Fitzgerald). Both movies focus on the female characters and have, I think, quite wonderful nude scenes.
Hello and thanks for the background. I was aware of the Sam Neill (very unfortunate casting I think) film, but didn't know about Age of Consent.
Every video expands our image of history through satire. One observation that becomes increasingly clear is the domination of 'exotic desirable ladies and horny men'. Thanks for your work and research.
Hello and thanks for the latest comment. Its not that surprising really - it's what makes the world turn round, and sadly it's balanced with some pretty destructive aspects of human nature too.
I’d heard of Norman Douglas and that’s all, didn’t he do some innocuous travel illustrated books too? But what an amazing artist and terrific images. And how strange to think in this internet age that even the basic dates of someone’s life are not known! Thank you.
Hello again and I thought for a minute I'd completely lost the plot because I couldn't for the life of me remember an illustrator called Norman Douglas. But when I looked it was of course Norman Lindsay. And regarding travel books I have no idea. Certainly nothing came up in my various searches but that of course means nothing, and it's more than possible he did.
@@petebeard sorry mind slip while typing (it’s me age know)....
Thank you.
It's a pleasure, Michael.
Yes!!! I’ve been painterly waiting. 🙏🙏🙏
Hi again. Thanks for sticking with it. I wish I could turn them round faster - the bucket list of names just seems to keep getting longer and despite being retired the days just seem to go round faster.
pete beard I know what you mean. I am at the end of a three month vacation from touring and it went like a blink of an eye. The older I get the faster it goes. Back on the road next week. You seem to have a passion for making these videos and having a passion after retirement that you can share the others appreciate is about as good as it gets. Thanks for what you do. It’s appropriated by a bunch of us and growing. 🙏🙏🤝
Hi again, and the support you and others show for what I'm doing keeps me doing it. I hope the road is kind and more people get on board with your music.
pete beard thanks bud. I’m very fortunate to exist as a mid-level cult artist . Best of both worlds.
I let out in involuntary and painful groan at the sudden (SPOILER!) destruction ending Lindsay’s story. Oh when barbary wields irony it’s a two handed slap at the spirit.
Hello, and yes I know. It seems that for every free creative spirit such as Lindsay's there are hordes of censorious yahoos who want to shut them down.
Thank you!
Thanks and you're welcome.
Thank you Pete for another great episode, just wanted to ask if you could there was this cartoonist called Bernard Partridge, just wanted to know if possible he might also be of great interest and would fit in wonderfully in one of your Episodes. If you already did, I must have missed it. THANK YOU!
Hello again. I may have briefly touched on Partridge in the first of my propaganda videos. But maybe not. Either way he's on the list as a definite unsung hero, and if I get round to making my planned history of Punch he'll naturally be in that. I can't say when he'll appear though - could be sooner could be later. But he will be remembered.
Awesome, no hurry, each of your episodes is packed with great content and will be worth the wait. THANK YOU
Wow these videos are very good you are underrated my friend
Thanks for watching - and for your flattering comment.
I can't believe they burned Norman Lindsay's work! What a travesty!!
It's the sort of thing you'd expect from medieval times. But funny how it also resonates with the current cancel culture mentality too.
I love the work of Lindsay, but it's hard to find a book of his art that's affordable. Age of Consent was made into a film in 1969 starring James Mason as the Lindsay surrogate and a young Helen Mirren as his nude model. A more specific movie that romanticized Lindsay's hedonistic lifestyle was 1994's Sirens with Sam Neill playing Lindsay himself. I don't remember much about the latter, except for a lot of beautiful women in pastoral settings.
Hi and thanks for the comments. I didn't know that about Age of Consent. I had seen Sirens but it was instantly forgettable as that kind of biopic tends to be, and so long ago I hadn't even connected it with Lindsay, when I discovered his work. What a guy..
Where did you find these images? Especially those of Maurice Pepin, I'd love to be able to save them for reference.
Hello and most of them can be found with a google image search. A few tips though - also try the same search with duckduckgo and you'll get some google dont necessarily show. And you can usually find more by putting in titles of books or magazines they have worked for. But don't expect too much - Pepin is particualrly hard to find stuff by unfortunately.
@@petebeard Diligent scrolling it is then haha, thanks for the tips! Your videos are a treat, I'm obsessed :)
Interesting that Lindsay's estate keeps a tight control on release of his work in book form, what they do deign to release are way too expensive unless you're a collector/enthusiast with deep pockets. Thank goodness the internet provides a bit of a workaround! His masterful technique and enormous output is fantastic!
Hello again and you're right about Calvo's story. I find it one of the strangest and disturbing ideas for a kid's book I can think of. And I didn't know that about Norman Lindsay's estate. I suppose if there's big money to be had it's inevitable. Like you say thank heaven for the internet.
There are numerous reprints of ''Lysistrata'' that are only a few dollars and well worth the money. I had a copy and also a copy by Picasso, his contribution to the Illustrated Editions collection (Heritage).
As for Abner Dean, the anglicising of Jewish names, esp in NYC, is common and continues to this day with Jon Stewart, Woody Allen, Louis Black, etc. Black's original name was changed a generation prior, for which he expressed immense gratitude, odd as that sounds. My father used to joke about a guy with the last name Finklestein who changed his name from John to Joe. He joked about the other trend - rhinoplasty - with a rather crude rhyme. Never changed my last name, nor my nose as it defied stereotypes by nature and by chance 😛
The school i went to had a large contingent of jewish kids because of its location (and decent reputation). Most had anglicised names, but then they weren't in the main orthodox.
@@petebeard I only mentioned it because in the video you note that he changed his name but said you didn't know why. Christian names reflect ancestrial location more than any actual "Jewishness." Thus changing them is not seen as a huge issue in the main.
I like T.S. Sullivant. No use whatsoever for the others.
Do you actually have a beard?
I do - but it's only small
An enjoyable tale of Art's collision with Censorship...but nowadays healthy sexuality is once again against the law!
Hello again and the destruction of Lindsay;s work has to go down as one of the great crimes against art and freedom of expression. Not much changes...I'm reminded of the auto da fe.
@@petebeard At least Lindsay was not forced into grovellingly approving of the sentence of his persecutors! Unlike the auto da fe. And the victims of Stalin's show trials. And the 'apologies' demanded by the Cancel Culture!
*Thanks* for another presentation
T.S. Sullivant is very good.
Maurice Pepin's style at Hprint com (under the tab "You may be interested in") is similiar to other illustrators of Le Sourire and Rire.
The 'Simp' style 😁
Has Alberto Vargus been covered? Granted he is well known.
Hello again and before I'm done I hope to feature as many of that group of illustrators as I can. I'm a sucker for the style.And Vargas has been on the list and waiting his turn for over a year now. I must see about bringing him forward in the queue.