So recently you guys did your "haters comments" podcast. And Richard was like "sometimes you guys forget that we're all really good at magic." That last game really highlighted that. Mr. Statistician over here taking calculated risks and lines most of us wouldn't see. Pretty freaking excellent if you ask me.
Seth loves to concede when he has lethal on board, then keeps playing against control when it's turn nine and the opponent is at 14 and has 7 cards in hand. A few highly visible blunders make people forget that he is, for the most part, a very competent player.
I love the concept. I put the deck together and started playing the ladder. It is so much fun to play! I hate playing the decks everyone else is playing. There are so many synergies. It is a blast! Thank you so much!
I hate Bat Colony because it wants to be played with Caves, but if you sac a Cave and Discover into it then you didn’t spend mana from Caves to cast it, and so won’t make bats.
I guess you can still choose to put it in your hand but yeah it is a feel bad. Still though bat colony seems pretty strong when you can get all three bats
Agreed, seems like somewhat of an oversight. Maybe it would have worked better as "make x bats, where x is the number of caves you control. x can't be greater than 3." Sounds kinda clunky, I'm sure there's a better way of making that idea work
sweet deck, thanks seth. the synnergy between caves ablaze, bat tokens for chumping and tutorable manlands makes this deck look pretty legit. interesting to see where it leads in standard.
As well as playing a bunch of lands with a ton of different abilities that the majority of your opponents are not likely to know much about. Nvm the abilities, it's hard to remember which colours you have available lmao
When Cavernous Maw is a 0/0 creature with counters on it from the confluence, you can still pay two mana and activate it to give it +3/+3. Would have given you lethal earlier in game 2.
@@MTGGoldfish I was thinking that also.. I thought you were going to do that because you made the maws 0/0 + 3 counters creatures rather than other caves.. I wonder if the landlord Tortoise from Eldraine would fit the caves deck -- would be kinda cool since you already have turttlepower in the sky..
were you aware that card kingdom is missing cards from this deck? I have to laugh, all of your decks aren't able to be bought in completion on card kingdom. forcing people to look elsewhere, finding better deals on other sites.@@MTGGoldfish
When you were exploring with the map tokens at 16:00 you would've had lethal if you just left a non-land on top, admittedly that line is soft to the opponent having an instant speed kill spell in hand, but they'd already spent at least three of their real kill spells.
Love you Seth! Your the best. I recently imported the Dino deck you played on stream. Been trying out the one drop and your right, topiary stomper is better in it
Finally got the cards to build this only spending a 3 wild cards (had to swap out get lost for another removal) but it is tearing it up in diamond today and yesterday. I know this is a bit late but this thing is suprisingly awesome in best of one. Thoughts on a sideboard / non budget upgrades? would love to see you revisit this in youtube vid of twitch stream. Keep up the great content.
I'd love to see your take on that second deck (I guess you could call it Boros Discover? Chaining Hit the Mother Load makes my brain happy in a way that overwhelming value generally doesn't). And dear god. I want to see Spelunking in Gates.
16:34 you had lethal if you fired up the Maws already on the field. They were 0/0’s with counters, so instead of exploring, it would have been 4 mana to make a 10/10 and a 7/7
Opponent said Good Game at 36:14 because they were dead on board to animating the Cavernous Maws. Seth of course doesn't see it and goes for the prolonged BM involving putting the shigeki in hand and recurring a bunch of spells. Heck, he didn't even notice that discover lets you put the spell to hand for the shigeki in the first place.
that's a sweet deck, I'm a EDH player and now interested for trying standard because of this deck! do you have any recommendation for the side deck? thankyou for the content!
Spelunking makes gates decks way better too. Drop the Maze's End untapped late game and then activate it for the win before opponent can play a sorcery speed answer (which most land destruction is). Perhaps a future video Seth/Goldfish?
this deck is sweet. im building it right away. gonna refine it the best i can. i've been waiting for so long for a fun meme deck to come along and cave tribal is dope.
Follow the link in the description to the full article, from there you should be able to copy it to your clipboard to import it into Arena ((: (Although I don't think the cards are actually on arena until tomorrow)
I really want to see an upgraded version of this deck with blossoming tortoise... Also you can gain 4 life with spelunking so long as the land you play is a cave too.... That's not an irrelevant line of text on the card
Always a good idea to put all your triggers on the same creature so one removal spell cancels it all…..or so I learned was a bad idea on my second day of playing magic…..
Nice deck, glad to see caves actually putting in some work. Ten rares isn't exactly a low amount in terms of MTGA wildcards but it's a decent paper deck potentially.
I've been brewing a Zur Enchantment deck with Bat Colony. Not sure if the caves are worth the hit to the mana base but Bat Colony is powerful and slots right into Zur
A deck where u can constantly wipe the board, have every threat with the opponent having to deal with only on your turn as well as playing all its spells by sacrificing and endless supply of returnable lands... Think this might be pretty good yeah
39:51 and i saw another one. There is a missplay : play forest then sperlunking so you draw and if it's not a cave you play the forgotten monument you have in hand then gain 4 life ans it comes untap. You did this missplay twice in your video.
"Are cavegates a thing?!" "Can we make gatecaves a thing is cavedard?!" "Caves is legit a gate in gatedard?!" -seth probably "Am i a joke to you?!" -shigeki turtle engine
With Standard moving to a new day I joked I was maybe going to try Cave Tribal. ....Now I'm wondering if we deck it out is it a Lands deck? Gates returned without as much gimmick? Can we kill people quoting Nissa without Nissa even being present? XD I kinda want to find out! Though I'll probably just build it for Standard first. I have 150$ to drop on Merfolk as it is and then consider if I can go fin to toe with the store champs since I'll literally only be lacking Force of Negations.
Hard to judge how good a deck is from VIP day given everyone is just playing jank. But I do love gates so will most likely spin this up at some point too.
I've had moderate success with it. Mostly I just want to play something different for a while, but I am struggling to tech' it correctly. Urabrask's Forge is the actual bane of this deck, Aggro is actualy a really tough matchup. Anything really grindy or control heavy you generally beat because the Turtle-Shegeki loop is un-counterable and lets you greed harder than their greed. Variance is Variance. I've cut the go for the throat for 2x Virtue of Persistence and 1x Path of Peril. So adding a bit of lifegain and more flexable removal helps, but its still the weakest point of it (Mostly that I kept running into artifact threats that go for the throat couldn't touch) Also just having a top end of Virtue to just ramp into sometimes closes the game outright.
The delayed rotation of standard strikes again. I don't think this deck would be anywhere near as competitive as it is without those Kamigawa cards. They give you that grindy value engine that lets you close out the games against the late game decks.
What cards should i swap out for if i wanted to play this deck on a bigger budget. Also what cards would be good for a sideboard so this can be played in best of three?
Kami war is VERY strong. Atraxa is also an obscene top end. Blossoming tortise is very strong as well. Makes your cavernous maws cheaper to activate and also lets you rebuy your caves youve used.
So far. I've cut the go for the throat for 2x Virtue of Persistence and 1x Path of Peril. The hardest matchups so far are Aggro: Soldiers & Red. So adding a bit of life gain and more flexable removal helps, but its still the weakest point of it. Also just having a top end of Virtue to just ramp into sometimes closes the game outright. Urabrask's forge generally beats you 9 times out of 10 though. I think the sideboard reflects what's the problems... In control matchups I think you want to board in wren and worldbreaker (2) I'm heavily considering Abraid, Brotherhood's end, and Loren of the Thrid Path. Downside with Loren and Wren is that you can't get them with Shegeki loops, So that might be incorrect. I think 2x Path of Peril is also correct in the board? Because i kind of feel that black/white is a bit easier that black-black? Weird observation from playing, diversifying your mana-pips in your tech...almost makes it easier to cast in this deck. Your less likely to draw something that is just off color, if you have a bit of everything? But that's just my experince.
I've been hesitant to try the aria, but I might give it a shot just to see how it feels. I was concidering sunset revalry for the potential blockers, life, card, time bye. I'm a little shocked that so few people are brewing/iterateing on this deck online and ladder. Every other article post I've seen always reads for better top end like Itali, but I think the top end is perfectly fine. You can loop a wrath every turn. It's the early game survival that is the tension point.
New drinking game: Take a shot every time Seth says "gates" when he means "caves"
AKA, destroy your liver in 5 minutes
you are going to have a lots of death on your hands with that game
*dies*
And cascade for discover if you want hard mode
@@ericaschner3283 to be fair, discover is basically cascade
22:51 THEY weren’t trying new things! They were trying OLD things! And you BEAT them!
So recently you guys did your "haters comments" podcast. And Richard was like "sometimes you guys forget that we're all really good at magic." That last game really highlighted that. Mr. Statistician over here taking calculated risks and lines most of us wouldn't see. Pretty freaking excellent if you ask me.
Right. Magic is a really hard game and everybody makes mistakes, unless they are playing the same deck for the 10,000th time
Seth loves to concede when he has lethal on board, then keeps playing against control when it's turn nine and the opponent is at 14 and has 7 cards in hand. A few highly visible blunders make people forget that he is, for the most part, a very competent player.
I love the concept. I put the deck together and started playing the ladder. It is so much fun to play! I hate playing the decks everyone else is playing. There are so many synergies. It is a blast! Thank you so much!
I hate Bat Colony because it wants to be played with Caves, but if you sac a Cave and Discover into it then you didn’t spend mana from Caves to cast it, and so won’t make bats.
I guess you can still choose to put it in your hand but yeah it is a feel bad. Still though bat colony seems pretty strong when you can get all three bats
Then don't cast it, put it in your grip, and enjoy your tutor.
@@OGNoNameNobodyYeah I feel that Bat Colony probably is better than I’m giving it credit for but I’m just irrational
Yeah, that part is awkward, but you can always just put it in your hand and sac cast it for mana.
Agreed, seems like somewhat of an oversight. Maybe it would have worked better as "make x bats, where x is the number of caves you control. x can't be greater than 3." Sounds kinda clunky, I'm sure there's a better way of making that idea work
sweet deck, thanks seth. the synnergy between caves ablaze, bat tokens for chumping and tutorable manlands makes this deck look pretty legit. interesting to see where it leads in standard.
I never thought of it quite so succinctly, but those ARE the staples of a classic Standard control deck, no?
Dang... Lmao
As well as playing a bunch of lands with a ton of different abilities that the majority of your opponents are not likely to know much about. Nvm the abilities, it's hard to remember which colours you have available lmao
When Cavernous Maw is a 0/0 creature with counters on it from the confluence, you can still pay two mana and activate it to give it +3/+3. Would have given you lethal earlier in game 2.
Hmm, I think you might be right :)
@@MTGGoldfish I was thinking that also.. I thought you were going to do that because you made the maws 0/0 + 3 counters creatures rather than other caves..
I wonder if the landlord Tortoise from Eldraine would fit the caves deck -- would be kinda cool since you already have turttlepower in the sky..
were you aware that card kingdom is missing cards from this deck? I have to laugh, all of your decks aren't able to be bought in completion on card kingdom. forcing people to look elsewhere, finding better deals on other sites.@@MTGGoldfish
colour me absolutely shocked when you somehow mispronounce cave
already calling them gates. god will judge you, seth, probably better known as saffronolive
Mono coler deck maybe
I was absolutely expecting him to pronounce them "Kayvee"
What are caves but earth gates?
@@OfficeCommandoProBABly better known as Safrooooooooonnnn Ahhhhhhlive
I think Seth missed that when you discover Shigeki, you can put it into your hand and not risk it being killed
I was going to say this to
Also came to say the same thing. He's putting himself on hard mode lol
Yea people have gotten to used to calling this 'new cascade' and forget that option
That last game was super suspenseful. So fun to watch!
Is there anything you would change about this list if you had an unrestricted budget? Aside from adding a sideboard, obviously in paper
this might be my favorite fun deck ive seen. Great piloting saffron!
The funny cave deck somehow winning through two Gishath hits was nuts dude goddamn
It plays very consistently and the synergy with the cards comes off powerful.
When you were exploring with the map tokens at 16:00 you would've had lethal if you just left a non-land on top, admittedly that line is soft to the opponent having an instant speed kill spell in hand, but they'd already spent at least three of their real kill spells.
Love the content! Maybe try Aclazotz Waste Not for a Against the Odds.
Love you Seth! Your the best. I recently imported the Dino deck you played on stream. Been trying out the one drop and your right, topiary stomper is better in it
Nice!
Finally got the cards to build this only spending a 3 wild cards (had to swap out get lost for another removal) but it is tearing it up in diamond today and yesterday. I know this is a bit late but this thing is suprisingly awesome in best of one. Thoughts on a sideboard / non budget upgrades? would love to see you revisit this in youtube vid of twitch stream. Keep up the great content.
I'd love to see your take on that second deck (I guess you could call it Boros Discover? Chaining Hit the Mother Load makes my brain happy in a way that overwhelming value generally doesn't).
And dear god. I want to see Spelunking in Gates.
I love gambling mechanics 🤑💰
Yeah, that deck looked super cool.
“Is a 6/6 big enough?” Colossal Dreadmaw would like a word
Inb4 MTG duel decks: Gates vs. Caves
16:34 you had lethal if you fired up the Maws already on the field. They were 0/0’s with counters, so instead of exploring, it would have been 4 mana to make a 10/10 and a 7/7
That last game was a preposterous come from behind win lol
cosium - up A beanstalk - gates - shigiiiiki .... I should be used to it by now but I swear seth is going to give me an aneurysm one of these days
I’m surprised that you didn’t even put in a singular copy of that Bojuka Bog’ish cave.
not a cave tho
@@novelnouvel It is a cave. Pit of Offerings.
Opponent said Good Game at 36:14 because they were dead on board to animating the Cavernous Maws. Seth of course doesn't see it and goes for the prolonged BM involving putting the shigeki in hand and recurring a bunch of spells. Heck, he didn't even notice that discover lets you put the spell to hand for the shigeki in the first place.
ive been playin the heck out of this deck. its so good, i either sweep em or its a close, fun game. i highly recommend playing this deck
Seth is excited Caves might be a new deck...but I fear Atraxa Ramp will just get an optional new Cave package.
that's a sweet deck, I'm a EDH player and now interested for trying standard because of this deck! do you have any recommendation for the side deck? thankyou for the content!
super cool deck! although I think it would be a bit tedious to play on paper with all the library search + shuffle :P
this deck need Tatyova, Steward of Tides to make the caves flying
Spelunking makes gates decks way better too. Drop the Maze's End untapped late game and then activate it for the win before opponent can play a sorcery speed answer (which most land destruction is). Perhaps a future video Seth/Goldfish?
Hey Seth, thanks for taking the time in Vegas to sign my sons playmat. He still brags about it.
this deck is sweet. im building it right away. gonna refine it the best i can. i've been waiting for so long for a fun meme deck to come along and cave tribal is dope.
Can't wait to see the update to this with a sideboard for Bo3
This makes me think that Jorael and Tatiova might actually have a lands matter home. Adds card draw and evasion for the cave deck
Seems like the deck wants blossoming tortoise, not sure what to take out though.
Built this deck myself leech is where i started my cuts.
"maybe X is actually good" is my favorite Sethism
I just made this deck on Arena, and it works XD
I wonder when we'll get a Maskwood Nexus for lands that gives your lands every nonbasic land type?
that'd be so broken. acorn card nearby planet already feels broken, being all land types itself
I love this deck I upgraded it by jamming 4 blossoming turtles
A Caves / Discover list sounds fun
Also, if you make Bat Colony cost more mana, do you get more bats with more caves.
Asking for a lodestone friend.
there's no longer a limit on the Wildcard bundle in arena! i don't know why there was one in the first place!
Seth: "So what did we learn this week?"
Me: "That we can now officially call ourselves cave dwellers? 👀"
i like that this deck has so many difrent lines you can take and so many difrent ways of winning the game
The feel you have on this deck leads me to believe its best case scenario is probably temur control.
I’ve been waiting for this one! Great content seth
Like caves, because they have nice chill in middle of summer. But we have winter, so this deck will be off meta, try next summer in historic.
How do I build this deck in MTG Arena? I just started out. Thanks and thanks a ton for the superb content!!!! Big fan.
Follow the link in the description to the full article, from there you should be able to copy it to your clipboard to import it into Arena ((:
(Although I don't think the cards are actually on arena until tomorrow)
Anyone count how many times he called caves gates? LOL Thanks for the great video as always. :)
Seth surprised that manlands are good... even Desol saw it coming since the spoilers, hehe.
I really want to see an upgraded version of this deck with blossoming tortoise...
Also you can gain 4 life with spelunking so long as the land you play is a cave too.... That's not an irrelevant line of text on the card
WE CAN’T STOP HERE. THIS IS BAT COLONY!
Always a good idea to put all your triggers on the same creature so one removal spell cancels it all…..or so I learned was a bad idea on my second day of playing magic…..
Nice deck, glad to see caves actually putting in some work. Ten rares isn't exactly a low amount in terms of MTGA wildcards but it's a decent paper deck potentially.
I've been brewing a Zur Enchantment deck with Bat Colony. Not sure if the caves are worth the hit to the mana base but Bat Colony is powerful and slots right into Zur
Every time Seth says Cavernous Maw I hear Cavern of Smaw.
Can't you just spend 2 mana to turn your cavernous maw into a 3/3 with +1/+1 counters on it?
I don’t think anyone actually knows you as saffronolive, they know you as Sethprobablybetterknownassaffronolive.
Opponents caved in to the deck
A deck where u can constantly wipe the board, have every threat with the opponent having to deal with only on your turn as well as playing all its spells by sacrificing and endless supply of returnable lands...
Think this might be pretty good yeah
I'm seriously in love with this deck. I wonder if there ever will be a modern viable version of it
Imma going to be so depressed when this deck rotates out.
No universe where this is EVER modern viable.
drinking game: take a shot every time he says "I've always loved gates"
I can say that is a good deck for standart because of his versatility, is this a new gates deck?
why are lands coming in untapped when Cosmium Confluence states Search your library for a Cave card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle?
Because spelunking
Spelunking is gonna make gates great again.
What do you think of caves in explorer/pioneer?
Cosmium Confluence is insane with caves, 5 mana, get 3 lands or make a 9/9, 3 3/3s
39:51 and i saw another one. There is a missplay : play forest then sperlunking so you draw and if it's not a cave you play the forgotten monument you have in hand then gain 4 life ans it comes untap. You did this missplay twice in your video.
Mum can we play gates today?
Timmy we have gates at home
Can't wait for Historic version of this deck
In Historic I think Gates might still be better, but you could do a lot of the same tricks with Caves for sure.
"Are cavegates a thing?!" "Can we make gatecaves a thing is cavedard?!" "Caves is legit a gate in gatedard?!"
-seth probably
"Am i a joke to you?!"
-shigeki turtle engine
@MTGGoldfish - What would you do to upgrade this deck?
do you have a upgraded version of it that non budget??
It may have been prerelease day, but Jank Spank is Jank Spank.
That was a line for the last match.
Important note:
If this build seems _remotely_ interesting to you, build it fast; both *Shigeki* and *Skyturtle* rotate out next year.
I got wrecked by confluence at the prerelease
Love this Idea. great deck sir
With Standard moving to a new day I joked I was maybe going to try Cave Tribal.
....Now I'm wondering if we deck it out is it a Lands deck? Gates returned without as much gimmick? Can we kill people quoting Nissa without Nissa even being present? XD I kinda want to find out!
Though I'll probably just build it for Standard first. I have 150$ to drop on Merfolk as it is and then consider if I can go fin to toe with the store champs since I'll literally only be lacking Force of Negations.
How about you add Aftermath's "Rebuild the City"?
I was actually wanting to build this but looks like you beat me to it
Hard to judge how good a deck is from VIP day given everyone is just playing jank. But I do love gates so will most likely spin this up at some point too.
16:11 you could have just activated with maw with 7 counters on it for lethal.
Wouldn’t blossoming tortoise be very strong with this?
17:10 "Since he said good game we're gonna trust that it's lethal" .... trust no one. not even yourself.
Am I nuts? I thought these cards werent out till tomorrow on arena
Have people been trying this deck? I am getting abysmal results with it. I'm not a good player, but I usually score more than 1 in 15...
I've had moderate success with it.
Mostly I just want to play something different for a while, but I am struggling to tech' it correctly.
Urabrask's Forge is the actual bane of this deck, Aggro is actualy a really tough matchup.
Anything really grindy or control heavy you generally beat because the Turtle-Shegeki loop is un-counterable and lets you greed harder than their greed.
Variance is Variance.
I've cut the go for the throat for 2x Virtue of Persistence and 1x Path of Peril.
So adding a bit of lifegain and more flexable removal helps, but its still the weakest point of it (Mostly that I kept running into artifact threats that go for the throat couldn't touch)
Also just having a top end of Virtue to just ramp into sometimes closes the game outright.
Dope shirt bro
The delayed rotation of standard strikes again. I don't think this deck would be anywhere near as competitive as it is without those Kamigawa cards. They give you that grindy value engine that lets you close out the games against the late game decks.
Since Rares are more plentiful than Mythics, I actually find that I tend to have more Mythic Wildcards than Rare
Get Lost seems like absolutely insane removal
Yeah, it's even better than I thought because Map tokens are worse than I expected.
So the main win of the deck is attacking with lands...
"I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye"
What cards should i swap out for if i wanted to play this deck on a bigger budget. Also what cards would be good for a sideboard so this can be played in best of three?
Kami war is VERY strong. Atraxa is also an obscene top end. Blossoming tortise is very strong as well. Makes your cavernous maws cheaper to activate and also lets you rebuy your caves youve used.
So far. I've cut the go for the throat for 2x Virtue of Persistence and 1x Path of Peril.
The hardest matchups so far are Aggro: Soldiers & Red. So adding a bit of life gain and more flexable removal helps, but its still the weakest point of it.
Also just having a top end of Virtue to just ramp into sometimes closes the game outright.
Urabrask's forge generally beats you 9 times out of 10 though.
I think the sideboard reflects what's the problems...
In control matchups I think you want to board in wren and worldbreaker (2)
I'm heavily considering Abraid, Brotherhood's end, and Loren of the Thrid Path.
Downside with Loren and Wren is that you can't get them with Shegeki loops, So that might be incorrect.
I think 2x Path of Peril is also correct in the board? Because i kind of feel that black/white is a bit easier that black-black?
Weird observation from playing, diversifying your mana-pips in your tech...almost makes it easier to cast in this deck. Your less likely to draw something that is just off color, if you have a bit of everything? But that's just my experince.
@TheFiretiger try incandescent aria. Its real good at stabilizing against aggressive decks if you just need an extra turn for the deck to get running
I've been hesitant to try the aria, but I might give it a shot just to see how it feels.
I was concidering sunset revalry for the potential blockers, life, card, time bye.
I'm a little shocked that so few people are brewing/iterateing on this deck online and ladder. Every other article post I've seen always reads for better top end like Itali, but I think the top end is perfectly fine. You can loop a wrath every turn. It's the early game survival that is the tension point.
@TheFiretiger the only top end ive really liked is atraxa honestly just because she has evasion and all the key words.
Where is brewer's kitchen videos?
Can we get a non budget cave deck
36:40 The way you're playing makes me think you don't realise that you can put cards into your hand with discover.
"sha-geeky'
The percentage of spelunking punts
some life gain would be nice to have here maybe try to fit in some spelunking