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So, im pretty confident that the Aesop Story really happened, and it wasnt about the children being kidnapped, they were outright killed. "The Children went dark, *their connection was severed."* - "Aesop withdrew and left us to *mourn"* It doesnt work as a nursery rhyme because there isnt any moral to each to children. What would children hearing the story think?? "The Vex are scary, do what they say or they will kill you"?? I think Aesop the Sovereign is a Vex Mind like Quria, a mind purpose-built to interact with non-Vex life, to experiment and exploit them. This is actually what you've always wanted Byf, a Vex Mind with a personality! I really hope Aesop comes back and we can avenge Neomuna's lost generation!
Just had a thought, if the cloudark is powered by the veil and the vex are capable of toying with the cloudark, does that mean the vex found a way to play with paracausality?
@@sombrero434 They still can’t control it but they use it as a generator of sorts. The Last Days lore book describes it like a wind turbine, which is probably why there’s a giant wind turbine at Zephyr Concourse. Go figure. ]]]Zephyr………the west wind[[[
Also entirely possible. I interpreted it as abduction given the parallels to the story of the pied piper. Sitting and thinking about it, I don't know what fate is worse...
@@MynameisByf Just because something has parallels to something outside Destiny doesnt mean it was used as an intentional parralel. So, im pretty confident that the Aesop Story really happened, and it wasnt about the children being kidnapped, they were outright killed. "The Children went dark, *their connection was severed."* - "Aesop withdrew and left us to *mourn"* It doesnt work as a nursery rhyme because there isnt any moral to each to children. What would children hearing the story think?? "The Vex are scary, do what they say or they will kill you"?? I think Aesop the Sovereign is a Vex Mind like Quria, a mind purpose-built to interact with non-Vex life, to experiment and exploit them. This is actually what you've always wanted Byf, a Vex Mind with a personality! I really hope Aesop comes back and we can avenge Neomuna's lost generation!
Honestly, the big reveal in this lore book for me is that Neomuna has their own version of Sesame Street, and in this version has a capybara character. Capybara is canon in destiny.
@@Vikrampic123 amazing to think that there are recipes that require organs from aliens but Ghost is more confused about the existence of pineapples in Neomuna
All of the lore surrounding Cloadstriders seems to be heavily hinting that Neomuna has more then a few skeletons in its closet (both digital and otherwise)
Which would also make sense in game wise how everything is super cheery but there's always something off about the city (besides it feeling empty before you realize that those little colorful holograms are neomuni
There are some folks who were forced to go into the cryo sleep when Calus attacked. After one of the patrol missions one of the guys there say that they're going to put the Cabal in cryo sleep to see if they can become something more. After hearing that I kill every Cabal on sight. Them folks there ain't right.
You know, I've never been the "I need representation" type, I've done enough in my own life to be proud of without it, but I have to admit I enjoy knowing that when the ships left Earth during the collapse they took people from every background, culture, and creed. Hearing a Neomuna lore snippet use the word, "Nino", is a great touch. Indicating, at least to me, that by the Golden Age such superficial things were cast aside and we were all looked upon as we are: The Human race.
Low key that's why representation is important. To give us glimpses of what our world *could* be. What would it say about the world of Destiny, (and the world the developers chose to create), if that weren't true?
I wonder if we could calculate approximately how long neomuna has been around by counting the amount of graves in the hall of hero’s and multiplying by 10 (plus 9 for Rohan). That would also tell us how long ago the collapse was and maybe even how long the golden age lasted.
You would need to adjust based on overlap time which wouldn’t be consistent, but we could probably get a good estimate, though cloudstriders were probably invented a good while after the cities founding
@@ethanshackleton yeah, there would probably be a couple hundred year period or so from the discovery of the veil to the creation of the cloudark to the first cloud strider
@@ethanshackleton They were. My guess is most of the graves are from before the Cloud Striders' time when more citizens of Neomuna used to fight against the Vex. This is described in "The Strider" lore entry, where it is mentioned more Neomuni used to get implants to transform their bodies to fight. "The Strider" describes the Sidereal (the device that creates Cloud Striders) as an invention by the first Cloud Strider to protect the Neomuni from further suffering by having one Cloud Strider take up the burden of fighting. The "Mikahela Julaha" entry, however, implies she became the first Cloud Strider purely by accident.
Okay, the Aesop thing is kind of interesting. The Vex are patterns, basically, and really only act to enact that pattern. Aside from the notable cases where an outside force is influencing, like Asher, the Vex don’t speak, they don’t bargain, and they don’t deceive. It seems that “Aesop” is being overtly personified and characterized as a boogeyman for the story, but that leaves some fascinating questions with the core of the story. A vex attempted not just to infiltrate but COMMAND a human made network? When rebuked the vex mind retaliated by attacking *only* the children?
Ik this video came out a year ago but I’ve been binging all of this stuff lately and, could Aesop maybe have been Nezarec? It doesn’t exactly say how long he’s been trapped in the CloudArk/VexNet and some of the things they do are kinda similar.
My mother told me bedtime stories to teach me lessons. My dad told me the true, darker stories a few days later. He made me cry, he held my while i shivered. To this day, I'm not sure she knows, but I love him deeply for it. I learned more from my mother when I was young, but I learned the most important things during those moments of actual truth. When he respected me enough to speak to like an adult, if only because the truth was so dangerous that I couldn't afford to grow up not REALLY understanding, especially since my parents had me at a very late age (40) and I might not have them later. Losing family to war, disease. A friend of my brother having a psychotic break. When someone broke into our home. A deep part of me prays that the parents of neomuna would have done the same, once Capybara corner had given them the light side of the stories, but I've seen enough adults unfortunate enough to encounter those truths later in life, when they had no one to help them understand, to know how unlikely that would be.
I think the whole "keep you ports closed and passcodes a secret" is for even though the Vex can't get in now, it doesn't mean they can't find a way. Just like the Vex thought no one could infiltrate their systems, but Bluejay did.
Not only that, but I feel it’s probably just a life lesson too. Like the vibe we get is that it’s to prevent the vex future attempts to get in, but also the “teaching children important life lessons”. Similar to how some kids shows on PBS teach kids to keep their passwords and money in a safe spot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Aesop the Sovereign is a mythologized version of actual events, put in a way that children can process. A single Vex Axis Mind named Aesop (a greek fable writer) that demands fealty is probably a lot less horrifying to a child compared to the near-infinite hivemind of the Vex possibly wiping out an entire generation in their attempts to get Soteria.
This was my thought on it, since the Vex have many axis/sub minds named with ties to Greece. So I thought if Aesop’s Fables and that this was just an exaggerated story to teach, like how “A boy who cried wolf” teaches kids to tell the truth.
I think Aesop is gonna be one of those Destiny threads Bungie will pull on in the future. It felt like there's a lot more to this story that is being held back. Plus there's very clearly a New Republic esque government in charge of the Neomuni, who are downplaying just how serious the threat of the Vex, by extension Witness is. It's why Nimbus being so lighthearted or off tone made sense at least to me? The Neomunans may not have a full sense of just how serious things are, and how close another extinction level event is.
The argument on Nimbus is really interesting. Overall, a lot of neomuni seem really relaxed about the war, and while that can be a bit more normal with our other NPCs who are immortal superheroes (guardians), having regular mortal humans be like that is really strange. Add to that the fact that their news reporter is more of a paparazzi than a journalist, it does paint the idea that maybe the truth that neomuni have been told is really downplaying the danger of not only the extinction of humans, but also of all sentient species that the Witness represents.
And it would explain why Nimbus always tries to be upbeat and relatively cheerful. They know they don’t have much time left, and are just trying to get as much joy out of life as they can.
Btw for anyone curious there are over 420 graves in the hall of heroes on neomuna and if all of them are cloudstriders that's at least 2800 years worth of cloudstriders to give you an idea on how long the city and conflict could have been around and going on
So about 3000 years have passed since the collapse Really makes you appreciate how genius was golden age engineering judging by the fact that those ships are still floating there on Titan
@@theurbanreanimator7244 Is it? A Neptunian year is 165 Earth years. That could also be interesting. But I don't the impression Destiny's lore covers the amount of time that math would imply.
@@ZakiSCV offset by about half, the partner is always present at the others funeral then tutors the next dying halfway leavi g the next one with 5 years and so on so each pair is about 15 years for both to die
There are/were more threats than the vex. The exotic hunter helmet talkes about dangerous monsters on a moon of Neptun and the helmet is from an eliksni. Also Winterbit is a glaive from a diciple that attacked the Exodus Indigo when they crashlanded on Neptun. They could have fought against the forces of the witness. Quinn says in the end of the winterbit quest that there is now a lot of new data that she will look over. We will get more Lightfall missions over the year, so we probably will get to know, what Quinn will find out about the time back then.
The vex mind Aesop is a nod to Aesops fables, which is very interesting seeing how it’s a Greek theme tied to the vex but also thematically ties to the whole “children of neomuna” theme in all the lore tabs since the fables were basically written for children. I doubt Aesop is an actual vex mind because he’s talking with the neomuni and we historically never once have directly communicated with a vex except for Asher and captain Jacobson. I think Aesop was made up by the neomuni as their own literal Aesops fable
The name Aesop could be a clue to the fictional nature of the tale. However, it’s also important to remember Aesop’s fables teach important morals and life lessons.
I think what’s more interesting to me, is how that childrens story implies that Aesop is actual an individual. Individualism is practically unheard of in the vex, and the idea of there being a Vex with it’s own personality is so interesting to me.
We haven't seen the wartime vex. Other than wyverns. Maybe the higher up vex in the network do have a level of personality? If so Aesop would be potentially on the level of Penoptes or higher
@@Topoftheworld121 Panoptes DID seem to have some sentience, But i believe Aesop would be muuch higher, It specifies Axis mind and, Axis minds are usually pretty important.
Potentially, it’s just a white lie. Presumably Vex don’t even have names among themselves. It’s much easier to explain a creature like the Vex to a child by applying a form of individualism to them, after-all, saying what probably really happened, that a Vex excursion stole some children without any contact with the wider Neomuna population or really even malice is much harder for a child to understand. Think like how we explain magnetism to children with attraction and repulsion as if these slabs of metal or coils of wire have opinions of eachother.
Interesting idea, but they'd probably just die after the 10 year span, and get resurrected by their ghosts for another 10 years, and so forth. Assuming they don't die multiple times per day like my poor Guardian.
@@Xenronnify Actually, i confidently believe they would not die in 10 Years just to get resurrected, because one of the main powers of the Light is healing and rejuvination. Any internal-organ scarring the nanites cause would be healed just like any injuries you get in the Crucible are healed. A Guardian Cloudstrider would still be very much immortal and might very well be the most powerful defender we ever have. Paracausal Light, Paracausal Dark, and near-infinite Nanite Weapon Fabrication all in one.
Let's appreciate the fact that Lightfall gave us a ton of lore with Neomuna's discovery. And hearing Byf go over not only The Last City's lore, but also another city of humanity's lore. To think that this place has centuries of history when we just discovered it after 9 years of Destiny.. 😂 Also I think this Vex mind called "Aesop" could possibly be real. They were too specific with a name.. A Vex Mind with some sort of ultra hyper intelligence & control over most other Vex would be epic, since we never got anything like that before in Destiny (Penoptes was close, but he couldn't talk). One definition of 'axis' is that an axis is a central part of something. An essential part. This Axis Mind, "Aesop the Sovereign" could be the creator & ruler of the Vex network itself. The "axis" of the network.. And since humans invaded it's space, it wanted to make a bargain, only to end up starting a war.. I can see this coming in a future season.. "Season of the Sovereign" or something.. Where we help Asher Mir & Mithrax in the Network to take down Aesop. With a digital knights & kingdoms themed loot & lore. It would fit with the whole Vex theme, with Hydras, Goblins & Harpys as their names..
honestly that is an awesome idea, we could explore more of the vex network like we did in season of the splicer. additionally we have a reference to Excalibur with Vexcaliber so honestly it isn't far fetched.
@@watson498Correct. Axis Minds exist to serve functions of high importance for the Vex. They have a lot of authority and manage everything in their area.
Asher was purged from the network when after he revealed Vexcalibur to us, and by extension revealed himself to the Vex. Pretty certain he's dead. Source: Scribetrace Shell
9:20. I mean, Capybara Corner sounds like it's made for kindergarten kids, give-or-take, and any history taught at those levels is absolutely simplified and washed, like, that's very normal in real life. As far as the closing of open ports for the kids in thr Cloud Ark, that makes sense, too. In cyber security, everyone knows that the human is the weak point. So the Vex may not be able to get into the Cloud Ark on their own, but if the kids leave a security vulnerability open, the Vex could exploit that. It's absolutely how it works in real life systems, and it's why cyber security training exists for non-IT people. Plus, in the Neomuna context, the kids closing their open ports and keeping their password secret sounds like teaching real life kids to look both ways and hold an adult's hand before crossing the street. And even my 2-year-old knows that one.
Could Aesop referred to in the swarmers lore tab actually have been Nezarec? We know Nezarec has gone by other names in the past, so could he have tried to use the people of neo muna to regain a foothold after he died to Savathun
Bro that asop lore tab has gotta be one of my favorites ever! It's just so chilling, the idea of some cunning digital nightmare out there stealing kids, I hope he becomes a villain after the final shape story is complete it's just too cool
It’s a possibility. The Vidoc for Final Shape reveals the first episode after it: Echoes, involving the Vex in some way. Maybe we’ll be tasked with purging the Vex out of the CloudArk and off of Neptune entirely? We may end up working with Mithraks and other Splicers to kill Aesop. We’ll have to wait and see.
Im quite surprised Byf isnt more excited for a character like Aesop, the Sovereign. He wanted a Vex Character with persoality like Quria, and now we have one and he...thinks its a nursery rhyme? If thats true (it isnt) it has to be the most inappropriate and f*cked up Nursery Rhyme ive ever heard. What message do you think Neomuni Children would take from hearing the Aesop, the Sovereign Story? "Fear the Vex, and do what they want, or they will kill you."??? No, I firmly think Aesop the Sovereign was a real Unique Vex Mind like Quria. Quria was a Vex Mind purpose-built to study and exploit the power of the Hive. Aesop the Sovereign is probably the same, a purpose-built Vex Mind to exploit the powers of Humanity. I definitely think the Swarmer Exotic Boots Lore is a set-up for its character appearing later, just like Nezarec's Sin was. Also since this video is titled "How to create a Cloudstriders" maybe Byf should have included the Lore Tab from the Neomuna Ship that explains the enhancement procedure Nimbus went through to become a Cloudstrider?
Something I noticed is that the flavor text of the Swarmers states: “Beware the promise of a wanderer”. The rest of the lore tab goes on to outline the Vex mind Aesop as having promised the Neomuni people protection in exchange for loyalty, so i think its safe to say that the wanderer making promises here is Aesop. Well, the name of the new strand aspect for Warlocks next season is Wanderer. Wonder if there’s a connection there.
Nimbus is basically still a kid, they've spent their entire life idealizing chrome covered mutated humans that they didn't have time to actually grow up which explains why they're so awkward
I’d love a Cloudstrider focused season before or after Final Shape of Guardians and the Coalition’s experts on the Vex: Osiris, Elizabeth, Mithraks, and maybe Asher Mir, aiding Neomuna in defeating Aseops and reclaiming Neomuna’s lost generation. It would a great seasonal story to cement an official alliance with Neomuna. To show them, that times have changed, and almost all Guardians are not the violent Warlords of the past. Maybe they’ll come to see us as we are now: Guardians of Sol.
I really love the idea of cloudstriders i think its cool to see another protector like faction that's suppose to be on the same power level as a light guardian is cool. It's like If Destiny had Spartans which are really similar tbh i mean cloudstriders get body modifications and augmentations that permanently affect them for life. Spartans gets the same thing just uh less voluntarily and more kidnapping. But I really hope that cloudstriders aren't just an "Oh yea they only appear for one expansion and then take a backseat in final shape".
If i had a nickel for every time Bungie made a story about children being kidnapped and turned into super soldiers, i would have two nickels. which is not a lot but its weird it happened twice.
Byf, I know we laud your voice at any and all opportunity, but I gotta say the Sesame Street cadence you pulled off for this deserves a mention of its own. Bravo.
The more we learn about Cloud Striders the more we find that they're just Halo Spartans. Painful augmentation, indoctrination, and in the case of Spartans, against their will because they were abducted from Reach and other planets.
i recommend reading the lore tab of Cyrtarachne's Facade, it details a Neomuni explorer encountering a wrecked Fallen ketch and its occupants on one of Neptune's moons, Thalassa pretty neat stuff
Fun fact, one of the Cloudstriders has rigged the Sideral to become destroyed and irrecuperable so no more Cloudstriders would be created. She gave the key to her apprentice before passing away, so that means its a potential Seasonal story where na enemy tries to cripple Neomuna by cutting off the Cloudstriders production
More likely a rug-pull ending to an episode years in the future. Imagine the House of Salvation learn of Neomuni nanotech, and descend on the city to co-opt/use the Sidereal. This prompts Nimbus (hopefully a little more serious/mature by now) to start looking for their own apprentice. A lot of House Salvation are former Devils, who already have experience with a slightly more primitive Human nanotech. Now that Eramis has left the system, and the Witness' end nears, there will definitely be a power struggle. The season's villain nearly triumphs, only for Nimbus to input the Sidereal's killcode in the final cutscene, accepting their fate as the last Cloud Strider and entrusting the Guardians with Neomuna's care. If done correctly, this could both unite Humanity's two cities even more closely, and possibly even redeem Nimbus' characterisation.
On the comparison with the pied piper, the first known record from Hamlin states, roughly 'it's been 100 years since our children left'. Obviously no-one suspects a magical flute player to actually be responsible, but it's a reasonable suggestion that something very tragic did happen in Hamlin 1284, given the rhyme, the documents referring to it and the commemorative stain glass window (destroyed in 1660, but well accounted for). The big issue, is, like in this lore tab, it's hard to know exactly what all these things refer to.
Byf! My respect brother! Very, very good pronunciation on "niños". "Smooth, almost native dare I say" Going that far on taking care of little details. Thank you for your efforts 🙏
Found this interesting: Aesop (/ˈiːsɒp/ EE-sop or /ˈeɪsɒp/ AY-sop; Greek: Αἴσωπος, Aísōpos; c. 620-564 BCE; formerly rendered as Æsop) was a Greek fabulist and storyteller credited with a number of fables now collectively known as Aesop's Fables. Although his existence remains unclear and no writings by him survive, numerous tales credited to him were gathered across the centuries and in many languages in a storytelling tradition that continues to this day. Many of the tales associated with him are characterized by anthropomorphic animal characters.
Considering the hydra was called Aesop, the answer as to what happened with the kids might be in one of Aesop's fables. It's unclear if the kids were killed or taken by the vex, so if this is a parallel to one of Aesop's fables, that fable might hold the answers
Aesop was a Greek storyteller and the maker of many fairy-tales, referred to as "Aesop's Fables". They generally feature fantastical creatures and talking plants / animals, and usually have a moral behind them. Two super famous (at least in the UK), are "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" and "The Tortoise and the Hare". Really interesting to see the name Aesop in a children's cautionary tale style story. That can't be a coincidence. Hopefully something which gets expanded on in future.
This is really interesting... I don't want to speculate as to the ultimate end of those children but one thing is for sure the Vex war has been going on for a while. If you are an Exo specifically you hear (I think from Quinn) that it is nice to see a robot that isn't trying to kill you for a change... The Vex have probably tried to get to Neptune ever since Soteria crashed there and became a distress signal that sounded and smelled like a Vex one. I can imagine the Vex wanting to investigate it immediately and thus picking a fight with the puny humans meddling with it.
Looking into the name I found this: Aesop - a Greek storyteller most well remembered for his Fables Aesop - one who invents stories or fables Fables - stories using humans and animals to convey morals Considering Neomuna’s revisionist history they may have made up the story of Aesop, Sovereign Mind as justification for war and a fable for kids to keep connections secured.
An exotic I think people should read is the filaments. I dont know why but I feel like it details the veil in some way due it detailing something in the universe as a "fungus". Not to mention it describes a interesting theory about our ghosts.
I really like these stories there allowed to be vague because there children's stories and it also relates to real world stories (such as Aseops fables)
My personal theory is that the lore within Neomuna hints at what lies beyond the Light and Dark Saga, and that we're in for a big shake up of things with D2's conclusion.
Byf, did you use the wrong title and description...? The contents of this video talk about a war, not the painful machine that makes Cloudstriders or whatever the description and title are talking about. Am I crazy..?
I think it would be a neat 4th wall breaking touch if the reason you couldn't find it on Ishtar was because Aesop deleted all traces of itself in the Neomuni databank. If it had enough network privileges to do what it did then erasing itself from history might not have been beyond it. It might also help explain why the only information we do have about it is in a nursery rhyme, which is spoken not recorded history. That being said though I think even if it did delete its footsteps, clearly the Neomuni would make their own data entries about it and as you said the whole Cloudstrider program potentially sprouted from it. Just a cool concept maybe.
CloudArk Patch 1.1 - Deleted "Children.EXE" - Got a functioning antivirus - Servers are gonna be down for 2 days while we reinstall "Children.EXE" P.S. DONT LET AESOP IN AGAIN.
Here's what I want to know: How do Neomuni err... repopulate? Are the original colonists just immortal within the CloudArk, or do they have to .. Log Out... to uh, add a new user..? I feel like there's an explanation for this, but we don't know it yet. Or at least, I don't.
Some lore books mention that time in the cloud ark is usually limited, and at the beginning of the story they say "citizens to defence positions" or something similar, which sounds to me like everyone getting chucked into pods for their safety. So from that I read that citizens usually spend their time IRL, but they're all in there full time right now because of being invaded by Calus and friends. Or they just clone people a bunch. Golden age tech, yeah?
They Neomuni have only been within the CloudArk for the past 2 to 3-ish years as it was the impending arrival of the Black Fleet that gave them reason to put everyone into Cryostasis. Prior to that they lived within the actual city itself.
I know it sounds dumb but I kinda want to see Aesop as campaign boss for expansion after TFS, also hope he would have personally. I know it's wishful thinking tho
Did Byf title his video wrong? Or did i miss something. He didn’t really talk about the creation of a CloudStrider. Just the history of 3 named CloudStriders
Aesop makes me that this could have potentially be a "necessary" ploy by Clovis to appear as a god over humanity in a way, but I could be wrong since he or Rasputin probably could have let something like this slip in Season of the Seraph.
So in one of the news broadcasts from Jisu, he mentioned that since our presence became known on Neomuna, a number of ghosts have appeared on Neomuna, with no mention of them coming with guardians. Is it possible that we could get some cloudstrider guardians? And if so, will they come back as their cloudstriders forms, or will they be resurrected as their pre-augmented selves?
Good question. The Coalition and the Last City of Earth would be welcoming to a new Guardian to defend humanity, but I feel Neomuna and Nimbus would be conflicted and need more time to process the Light choosing a Couldstriders. As Neomuna has always had a serious dedication to the sacrifice the Cloudstriders make. Since they know they’re history and roots, unlike the Last City, they’d probably see a risen Guardian Cloudstrider as heresy. Something to be shunned. There’s a lot of story potential there: Guardians aiding Neomuna in destroying Aesop, and a Cloudstrider returning as a Guardian. If a season like that could end with an official alliance with Neomuna, and them and the Cloudstriders accepting the Guardians, the newly risen Cloudstrider, and the Coalition as a whole, that’d be a great season.
They'd be resurrected as they died: with their augmentations. While Ghosts can eliminate causes of natural death such as disease, they seem more limited in removing mechanical augmentations (such as Guardians turning into Vex). So maybe a Guardian Cloudstrider's augs wouldn't kill them because their human bodies were resurrected in the Light. Or maybe they'd still kill them every 10 years, but that death would be no different from other forms of death (i.e., one quick rez and they're back on their feet). Depends if their Ghosts can truly restore the biological body to the point where it "resets" the aug death clock. Either way, it seems like a resurrected Cliudstrider would have all of the upsides with none of the downsides (aside from, potentially, minor inconvenience).
I still feel the Vex arrived a the same time as the Exodos Indigo or the Veil, because of the MSund12 in the OXA at the end of the Insight Terminus. Has to be about Maya Sundaresh.
It may be my dark humor but I love finding bits like The Swarmers lore tab in games especially when it is contrasted with the Cloud Strider entries as it helps the world feel so much more real. The Swarmers is very much in line with the old Brothers Grim Fairy Tales, while the Cloud Strider entries are more in line with the Disney whitewashing/revisionist version of those same tales when the same morals of the story need to be told in different ways to match the world of the time. Side Note Asope might not have actually been a Vex it could have possibly been some form of Paracausal entity/manifestation connected to the Veil with those "lost children" becoming the threadlings guided by our flow instead of their original selves, as they are to "alive" for lack of a better term to be just shaped manifestations of Strand.
I forgot what lore tab said it but there’s a lore tab that explains why the vex remember being afraid part of the story told to the children about port security.
It sounds less like they were taken and more like their light was extinguished 😢 and if that’s so, if it’s not controlled by Asher Meir, I will tear every vex I see apart
I have been very curious about the differences and simularities between Neomuni Quicksilver Nanites and SIVA Nanites. First of all, despite pre-Lightfall-Release Speculation, Quicksilver Nanites DONT seem to be upgraded SIVA, but rather Nanites developed from studying the Winterbite Exotic Glaive, which the Neomuni has been in possesion of since its founding, from an unknown Pyramid assailant during the Collapse. With that said, I find it ironig that Quicksilver Nanites are talked about being so much more advanced than SIVA, because as far as we know, SIVA has no 10-Year limit on its Cyborgs. Not only that, but SIVA heals the bodies of its Cyborgs, like the First Boss of the Wrath of the Machine Raid, or Resurrecting the Sepiks Prime Servitor from death TWICE. Even Reanimating Dead Iron Lords to defend the Replication Complex. As far as we know, Quicksilver cant do any of these crazy capabilites. Quicksilver just seems more dangerous and less adaptable. While Devil Splicers relish and actively try to increase their Nanite count for greater Augmentations, Cloudstriders live in a deep existential fear of having a guaranteed death in 10 Years.... So, the virgin clownstrider VS THE CHAD DEVIL SPLICERS. Also Wrath of the Machine will be the returning D1 Raid. Dont listen to what the Twitter Users say.
@@wackobro3782 Well, we did see a Devil Splicer Capitan in the Tangled Shore in a Destiny Comic, and he looked quite chill. Also as far as we know, Quicksilver cant resurrect the dead into zombies, or return sentient robots to prestine working condition, like Sepiks Prime and Taniks.
The nanites themself don't have an expiration date, it's the bodies of the cloudstriders that do. Their cybernetics aren't completely made up of nanites, and it's also fusing organic material with cybernetics. It makes them stronger but their bodies probably start to reject the foreign parts after 10 years as their organs start to fail and their immune system starts to attack itself. It's why cloudstriders have a specific death date where they're basically shut down slightly ahead of time so they don't have to suffer too much at the end of their life. I'm pretty sure any of the nanites stuff left over is what is used to make their graves or it's recycled back into the rest of the city. Also about devil splicers, eliksni are much more experienced and compatible with technology and integrating themselves with it as it's a part of their culture and they're an alien race with much different (and probably generally tougher) physiology to humans. Any properly nourished eliksni would probably tower over most humans, and the strongest of the devil splicers took so lot of ether for themselves prior to siva so as is they were larger and beefier, so whatever stress nanites tech puts on organisms wouldnt be felt as much or would take much longer to set in that it would for humans. Also eliksni naturally have longer potential life spans. Misraaks and Eramis are centuries old and plenty of the fallen bosses we fight throughout history were said to be as old if not older.
I'd like to make a couple of points here. Not to argue byf, all hail lore daddy. But it doesn't seem like they were taken. if they were in the cloud ark and their connection was cut (stealing my point from anime here admittedly) that typically means they die. And also the reference to mourning and not being returned. But my secondary point is that I don't actually think this is the vex either... I think this is possibly something that a past cloud strider (or possibly just hacker/equivalent) because of the personification given, and attempt at coercion. There's precedence for it too because of the revisionist overtone of the entire thing and being geared toward the kids. Why terrify them with the knowledge of a bad cloud strider? (Just being cheeky here; but I wonder what kind of stories we told human children about people like dredgen yore or other evil guardians
One of the episodes after Final Shape: Echoes, appears to involve the Vex. I’m hoping it includes us, and House Light, working with the Neomuni to combat the constant threat of the Vex. Maybe we’ll encounter the infamous Aesop? And learn how to harness the CloudArk through the Veil and Strand? Dispelling such a threat and significantly repelling most of the Vex off of Neptune, like purging a virus, could be the next step in earning Neouma as official allies, as they seem very hesitant to join the Coalition.
see here the thing that kinda scares me most, the cloud ark is a digital place where you're mind goes and when it said "their connections went dark" sounds like the vex stole their minds probably to be simulated or even worst coveted into vex
IDK Byf, the wording in the Swarmers' lore tab about the parents mourning makes me think Aesop didn't kidnap those kids, he just straight up ended/converted them.
The idea of a Pied Piper Boogeyman Vex Mind is fantastic and I really hope this is a character Bungie intend to bring forward as a Antagonist face of the Vex going forward.
If you go to the couldstrider memorial and count all the tombs, there is over 400, that means there have been cloudstriders for about 4000 years give or take if they lived their full ten years, and then there was the time before the cloudsttiders, and that tells us that the dark ages on earth wasn’t just a few hundred years, and we get a rough estimate of how old our guardian now yay
They kinda say it in the lore, the Vex can manipulate the CloudArk from the outside. Maybe they can access it through weakpoints, like a router with a weak password. Something akin to your neighbor stealing WiFi.
As i understand it, its not a simulated reality the Cloud Arc creates. Its more like it digitizes a stored Neomuni's mind, then projects it back into the city digitally; and thats what all those so called "mobile platforms" we see around the city are, and what Quinn Lagari is. Its people's projected conciousnesses going about their physical lives digitally -- if that makes sense.
The fact the Vex Mind is called Aesop is extremely telling: Aesop is the name of an old Greek storyteller. Renowned for a collection of stories: Aesop's Fables, which is a collection of fables and folklore which include The Boy who Cried Wolf and many others. From what I can tell from a quick search, seems like the existence of Aesop themself is perhaps unclear, though all the fables are credited back to them. From reference alone, it seems like a fake Vex Mind, just created to make cautionary tales.
I think it is funny that Bungie used the name BlueJ as a person who develops games. In reality, BlueJ is a developing program that uses Java for game programming. BlueJ us very good for beginning game Developers. Just wanted to mention the funny detail.
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So, im pretty confident that the Aesop Story really happened, and it wasnt about the children being kidnapped, they were outright killed. "The Children went dark, *their connection was severed."* - "Aesop withdrew and left us to *mourn"*
It doesnt work as a nursery rhyme because there isnt any moral to each to children. What would children hearing the story think?? "The Vex are scary, do what they say or they will kill you"??
I think Aesop the Sovereign is a Vex Mind like Quria, a mind purpose-built to interact with non-Vex life, to experiment and exploit them. This is actually what you've always wanted Byf, a Vex Mind with a personality! I really hope Aesop comes back and we can avenge Neomuna's lost generation!
Just had a thought, if the cloudark is powered by the veil and the vex are capable of toying with the cloudark, does that mean the vex found a way to play with paracausality?
@@sombrero434 They still can’t control it but they use it as a generator of sorts. The Last Days lore book describes it like a wind turbine, which is probably why there’s a giant wind turbine at Zephyr Concourse. Go figure.
]]]Zephyr………the west wind[[[
@@vV_Viggo alright, apreciate the clarification.
Wacth a Vex fanatic with the name "Aesop's Sycophant" appear in season of the deep.
I read the “their connections went dark” as more of a “the children were just outright killed” than anything
"the children have been deleted"
@@DarkTakanuva “we call this a difficulty tweak”
Also entirely possible. I interpreted it as abduction given the parallels to the story of the pied piper. Sitting and thinking about it, I don't know what fate is worse...
possibly "both"..their bodies died, being disconnected, whereas their minds were stolen by the vex....which is honestly even MORE horrifying
@@MynameisByf Just because something has parallels to something outside Destiny doesnt mean it was used as an intentional parralel.
So, im pretty confident that the Aesop Story really happened, and it wasnt about the children being kidnapped, they were outright killed. "The Children went dark, *their connection was severed."* - "Aesop withdrew and left us to *mourn"*
It doesnt work as a nursery rhyme because there isnt any moral to each to children. What would children hearing the story think?? "The Vex are scary, do what they say or they will kill you"??
I think Aesop the Sovereign is a Vex Mind like Quria, a mind purpose-built to interact with non-Vex life, to experiment and exploit them. This is actually what you've always wanted Byf, a Vex Mind with a personality! I really hope Aesop comes back and we can avenge Neomuna's lost generation!
Honestly, the big reveal in this lore book for me is that Neomuna has their own version of Sesame Street, and in this version has a capybara character.
Capybara is canon in destiny.
Guineabig canon
But pineapples aren’t how bizarre
@@Vikrampic123 But on Neomuna, you can find a holographic pineapple as well. Pineabble real
@@Vikrampic123 amazing to think that there are recipes that require organs from aliens but Ghost is more confused about the existence of pineapples in Neomuna
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All of the lore surrounding Cloadstriders seems to be heavily hinting that Neomuna has more then a few skeletons in its closet (both digital and otherwise)
Which would also make sense in game wise how everything is super cheery but there's always something off about the city (besides it feeling empty before you realize that those little colorful holograms are neomuni
There are some folks who were forced to go into the cryo sleep when Calus attacked.
After one of the patrol missions one of the guys there say that they're going to put the Cabal in cryo sleep to see if they can become something more. After hearing that I kill every Cabal on sight. Them folks there ain't right.
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@@Amirifiz Those people were a cult that tried to forcible upgrade everybody with Cloudstrider tech.
Halo Reach vibes
You know, I've never been the "I need representation" type, I've done enough in my own life to be proud of without it, but I have to admit I enjoy knowing that when the ships left Earth during the collapse they took people from every background, culture, and creed. Hearing a Neomuna lore snippet use the word, "Nino", is a great touch. Indicating, at least to me, that by the Golden Age such superficial things were cast aside and we were all looked upon as we are: The Human race.
Low key that's why representation is important. To give us glimpses of what our world *could* be. What would it say about the world of Destiny, (and the world the developers chose to create), if that weren't true?
I wonder if we could calculate approximately how long neomuna has been around by counting the amount of graves in the hall of hero’s and multiplying by 10 (plus 9 for Rohan). That would also tell us how long ago the collapse was and maybe even how long the golden age lasted.
You would need to adjust based on overlap time which wouldn’t be consistent, but we could probably get a good estimate, though cloudstriders were probably invented a good while after the cities founding
@@ethanshackleton yeah, there would probably be a couple hundred year period or so from the discovery of the veil to the creation of the cloudark to the first cloud strider
@@ethanshackleton They were. My guess is most of the graves are from before the Cloud Striders' time when more citizens of Neomuna used to fight against the Vex. This is described in "The Strider" lore entry, where it is mentioned more Neomuni used to get implants to transform their bodies to fight.
"The Strider" describes the Sidereal (the device that creates Cloud Striders) as an invention by the first Cloud Strider to protect the Neomuni from further suffering by having one Cloud Strider take up the burden of fighting. The "Mikahela Julaha" entry, however, implies she became the first Cloud Strider purely by accident.
My guy, look at the comment below you
This is something I fully intend on researching when I get off work
Okay, the Aesop thing is kind of interesting. The Vex are patterns, basically, and really only act to enact that pattern. Aside from the notable cases where an outside force is influencing, like Asher, the Vex don’t speak, they don’t bargain, and they don’t deceive.
It seems that “Aesop” is being overtly personified and characterized as a boogeyman for the story, but that leaves some fascinating questions with the core of the story. A vex attempted not just to infiltrate but COMMAND a human made network? When rebuked the vex mind retaliated by attacking *only* the children?
Please give It a better treatment Than Quria
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 justice for quiria
Quria got done so dirty, it was teased since D1 and early D2 and then gets killed off as a seasonal antagonist
@@chrisa5180 though I still believe we didn't kill the real quiria
Ik this video came out a year ago but I’ve been binging all of this stuff lately and, could Aesop maybe have been Nezarec? It doesn’t exactly say how long he’s been trapped in the CloudArk/VexNet and some of the things they do are kinda similar.
My mother told me bedtime stories to teach me lessons.
My dad told me the true, darker stories a few days later.
He made me cry, he held my while i shivered.
To this day, I'm not sure she knows, but I love him deeply for it. I learned more from my mother when I was young, but I learned the most important things during those moments of actual truth. When he respected me enough to speak to like an adult, if only because the truth was so dangerous that I couldn't afford to grow up not REALLY understanding, especially since my parents had me at a very late age (40) and I might not have them later. Losing family to war, disease. A friend of my brother having a psychotic break. When someone broke into our home.
A deep part of me prays that the parents of neomuna would have done the same, once Capybara corner had given them the light side of the stories, but I've seen enough adults unfortunate enough to encounter those truths later in life, when they had no one to help them understand, to know how unlikely that would be.
I think the whole "keep you ports closed and passcodes a secret" is for even though the Vex can't get in now, it doesn't mean they can't find a way. Just like the Vex thought no one could infiltrate their systems, but Bluejay did.
Not only that, but I feel it’s probably just a life lesson too. Like the vibe we get is that it’s to prevent the vex future attempts to get in, but also the “teaching children important life lessons”.
Similar to how some kids shows on PBS teach kids to keep their passwords and money in a safe spot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Aesop the Sovereign is a mythologized version of actual events, put in a way that children can process. A single Vex Axis Mind named Aesop (a greek fable writer) that demands fealty is probably a lot less horrifying to a child compared to the near-infinite hivemind of the Vex possibly wiping out an entire generation in their attempts to get Soteria.
This was my thought on it, since the Vex have many axis/sub minds named with ties to Greece. So I thought if Aesop’s Fables and that this was just an exaggerated story to teach, like how “A boy who cried wolf” teaches kids to tell the truth.
I think Aesop is gonna be one of those Destiny threads Bungie will pull on in the future. It felt like there's a lot more to this story that is being held back. Plus there's very clearly a New Republic esque government in charge of the Neomuni, who are downplaying just how serious the threat of the Vex, by extension Witness is.
It's why Nimbus being so lighthearted or off tone made sense at least to me? The Neomunans may not have a full sense of just how serious things are, and how close another extinction level event is.
Well warlock's will get a aspect named "The Wanderer" so it may have a nugget of lore to it.
The argument on Nimbus is really interesting. Overall, a lot of neomuni seem really relaxed about the war, and while that can be a bit more normal with our other NPCs who are immortal superheroes (guardians), having regular mortal humans be like that is really strange. Add to that the fact that their news reporter is more of a paparazzi than a journalist, it does paint the idea that maybe the truth that neomuni have been told is really downplaying the danger of not only the extinction of humans, but also of all sentient species that the Witness represents.
@@FrazierboiX what do you mean us warlocks will get another aspect ?
Interesting point. That would explain why Nimbus is so painfully ignorant. They've been told sinxe childhood that the enemy is nothing to worry about.
@@malfeasance3251 have you not been reading the TWABs Bungie puts out?
The fact that Cloudstriders have a 10 year lifespan is honestly surprising and kinda sad
I feel like 20 would’ve been better since that’s the age you can retire with full benefits from the military.
@@devontricmoore Cloudstriders done even get a charger...
Windermere kind of like them but -20
That means we have to deal with nimbus’ stupid ass for a decade. Shame he won’t die sooner
And it would explain why Nimbus always tries to be upbeat and relatively cheerful. They know they don’t have much time left, and are just trying to get as much joy out of life as they can.
You know what they say about nanomachines? About hardening in response to physical trauma? Well, let’s include emotional trauma too.
i also harden in response to emotional trauma
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@@spazalicious5208 Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
Btw for anyone curious there are over 420 graves in the hall of heroes on neomuna and if all of them are cloudstriders that's at least 2800 years worth of cloudstriders to give you an idea on how long the city and conflict could have been around and going on
So about 3000 years have passed since the collapse
Really makes you appreciate how genius was golden age engineering judging by the fact that those ships are still floating there on Titan
The collapse happened a few hundred years ago not thousands.
@Sedition Case 10, its earth years
@@theurbanreanimator7244 Is it? A Neptunian year is 165 Earth years. That could also be interesting. But I don't the impression Destiny's lore covers the amount of time that math would imply.
@@ZakiSCV offset by about half, the partner is always present at the others funeral then tutors the next dying halfway leavi g the next one with 5 years and so on so each pair is about 15 years for both to die
There are/were more threats than the vex. The exotic hunter helmet talkes about dangerous monsters on a moon of Neptun and the helmet is from an eliksni. Also Winterbit is a glaive from a diciple that attacked the Exodus Indigo when they crashlanded on Neptun. They could have fought against the forces of the witness.
Quinn says in the end of the winterbit quest that there is now a lot of new data that she will look over. We will get more Lightfall missions over the year, so we probably will get to know, what Quinn will find out about the time back then.
The monsters, i pretty sure those are the aphelions, everytime they mention those things even drifter everything points to them, i hope so.
I also think it was confirmed that one of Neptune's moons was held by the Hive
The vex mind Aesop is a nod to Aesops fables, which is very interesting seeing how it’s a Greek theme tied to the vex but also thematically ties to the whole “children of neomuna” theme in all the lore tabs since the fables were basically written for children.
I doubt Aesop is an actual vex mind because he’s talking with the neomuni and we historically never once have directly communicated with a vex except for Asher and captain Jacobson. I think Aesop was made up by the neomuni as their own literal Aesops fable
The name Aesop could be a clue to the fictional nature of the tale. However, it’s also important to remember Aesop’s fables teach important morals and life lessons.
seconding and bumping this
its great word and name play by bungie honestly
I think what’s more interesting to me, is how that childrens story implies that Aesop is actual an individual. Individualism is practically unheard of in the vex, and the idea of there being a Vex with it’s own personality is so interesting to me.
We haven't seen the wartime vex. Other than wyverns. Maybe the higher up vex in the network do have a level of personality? If so Aesop would be potentially on the level of Penoptes or higher
@@Topoftheworld121 Panoptes DID seem to have some sentience, But i believe Aesop would be muuch higher, It specifies Axis mind and, Axis minds are usually pretty important.
@Zur0ra I agree, a much greater chance to be higher up
Potentially, it’s just a white lie. Presumably Vex don’t even have names among themselves.
It’s much easier to explain a creature like the Vex to a child by applying a form of individualism to them, after-all, saying what probably really happened, that a Vex excursion stole some children without any contact with the wider Neomuna population or really even malice is much harder for a child to understand.
Think like how we explain magnetism to children with attraction and repulsion as if these slabs of metal or coils of wire have opinions of eachother.
I wonder what would happen is a guardian had the cloudstrider augmentation
Interesting idea, but they'd probably just die after the 10 year span, and get resurrected by their ghosts for another 10 years, and so forth. Assuming they don't die multiple times per day like my poor Guardian.
Augmenting after getting a ghost probably wouldn't work, but Ghosting a cloud strider and creating a super guardian seems entirely plausible...
The final shape
@@Xenronnify Actually, i confidently believe they would not die in 10 Years just to get resurrected, because one of the main powers of the Light is healing and rejuvination. Any internal-organ scarring the nanites cause would be healed just like any injuries you get in the Crucible are healed. A Guardian Cloudstrider would still be very much immortal and might very well be the most powerful defender we ever have. Paracausal Light, Paracausal Dark, and near-infinite Nanite Weapon Fabrication all in one.
@@SymbioteMullet Vex could permanently convert Asher and those other guardians so...
Let's appreciate the fact that Lightfall gave us a ton of lore with Neomuna's discovery. And hearing Byf go over not only The Last City's lore, but also another city of humanity's lore. To think that this place has centuries of history when we just discovered it after 9 years of Destiny.. 😂
Also I think this Vex mind called "Aesop" could possibly be real. They were too specific with a name.. A Vex Mind with some sort of ultra hyper intelligence & control over most other Vex would be epic, since we never got anything like that before in Destiny (Penoptes was close, but he couldn't talk). One definition of 'axis' is that an axis is a central part of something. An essential part. This Axis Mind, "Aesop the Sovereign" could be the creator & ruler of the Vex network itself. The "axis" of the network.. And since humans invaded it's space, it wanted to make a bargain, only to end up starting a war..
I can see this coming in a future season.. "Season of the Sovereign" or something.. Where we help Asher Mir & Mithrax in the Network to take down Aesop. With a digital knights & kingdoms themed loot & lore. It would fit with the whole Vex theme, with Hydras, Goblins & Harpys as their names..
honestly that is an awesome idea, we could explore more of the vex network like we did in season of the splicer. additionally we have a reference to Excalibur with Vexcaliber so honestly it isn't far fetched.
“Axis Mind” is a term we’ve heard before no? There have been other axis mind vex, very powerful ones like the one at the core of Nessus iirc
@@watson498Correct. Axis Minds exist to serve functions of high importance for the Vex. They have a lot of authority and manage everything in their area.
Asher was purged from the network when after he revealed Vexcalibur to us, and by extension revealed himself to the Vex. Pretty certain he's dead.
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9:20. I mean, Capybara Corner sounds like it's made for kindergarten kids, give-or-take, and any history taught at those levels is absolutely simplified and washed, like, that's very normal in real life.
As far as the closing of open ports for the kids in thr Cloud Ark, that makes sense, too. In cyber security, everyone knows that the human is the weak point. So the Vex may not be able to get into the Cloud Ark on their own, but if the kids leave a security vulnerability open, the Vex could exploit that. It's absolutely how it works in real life systems, and it's why cyber security training exists for non-IT people. Plus, in the Neomuna context, the kids closing their open ports and keeping their password secret sounds like teaching real life kids to look both ways and hold an adult's hand before crossing the street. And even my 2-year-old knows that one.
Could Aesop referred to in the swarmers lore tab actually have been Nezarec? We know Nezarec has gone by other names in the past, so could he have tried to use the people of neo muna to regain a foothold after he died to Savathun
Bro that asop lore tab has gotta be one of my favorites ever!
It's just so chilling, the idea of some cunning digital nightmare out there stealing kids, I hope he becomes a villain after the final shape story is complete it's just too cool
It’s a possibility. The Vidoc for Final Shape reveals the first episode after it: Echoes, involving the Vex in some way. Maybe we’ll be tasked with purging the Vex out of the CloudArk and off of Neptune entirely? We may end up working with Mithraks and other Splicers to kill Aesop. We’ll have to wait and see.
Im quite surprised Byf isnt more excited for a character like Aesop, the Sovereign. He wanted a Vex Character with persoality like Quria, and now we have one and he...thinks its a nursery rhyme? If thats true (it isnt) it has to be the most inappropriate and f*cked up Nursery Rhyme ive ever heard. What message do you think Neomuni Children would take from hearing the Aesop, the Sovereign Story? "Fear the Vex, and do what they want, or they will kill you."???
No, I firmly think Aesop the Sovereign was a real Unique Vex Mind like Quria. Quria was a Vex Mind purpose-built to study and exploit the power of the Hive. Aesop the Sovereign is probably the same, a purpose-built Vex Mind to exploit the powers of Humanity. I definitely think the Swarmer Exotic Boots Lore is a set-up for its character appearing later, just like Nezarec's Sin was.
Also since this video is titled "How to create a Cloudstriders" maybe Byf should have included the Lore Tab from the Neomuna Ship that explains the enhancement procedure Nimbus went through to become a Cloudstrider?
Something I noticed is that the flavor text of the Swarmers states: “Beware the promise of a wanderer”. The rest of the lore tab goes on to outline the Vex mind Aesop as having promised the Neomuni people protection in exchange for loyalty, so i think its safe to say that the wanderer making promises here is Aesop. Well, the name of the new strand aspect for Warlocks next season is Wanderer. Wonder if there’s a connection there.
Nimbus is basically still a kid, they've spent their entire life idealizing chrome covered mutated humans that they didn't have time to actually grow up which explains why they're so awkward
I’d love a Cloudstrider focused season before or after Final Shape of Guardians and the Coalition’s experts on the Vex: Osiris, Elizabeth, Mithraks, and maybe Asher Mir, aiding Neomuna in defeating Aseops and reclaiming Neomuna’s lost generation. It would a great seasonal story to cement an official alliance with Neomuna. To show them, that times have changed, and almost all Guardians are not the violent Warlords of the past. Maybe they’ll come to see us as we are now: Guardians of Sol.
I really love the idea of cloudstriders i think its cool to see another protector like faction that's suppose to be on the same power level as a light guardian is cool. It's like If Destiny had Spartans which are really similar tbh i mean cloudstriders get body modifications and augmentations that permanently affect them for life. Spartans gets the same thing just uh less voluntarily and more kidnapping. But I really hope that cloudstriders aren't just an "Oh yea they only appear for one expansion and then take a backseat in final shape".
If i had a nickel for every time Bungie made a story about children being kidnapped and turned into super soldiers, i would have two nickels. which is not a lot but its weird it happened twice.
Good video overall but I feel it may be misnamed? It seems to cover WHY the strikers were made(a counter for the Vex) but not HOW.
I think maybe it got the wrong name and description. New video on that coming soon perhaps?
@@HoneyDoll894 That's what I'm thinking, yeah.
byfe made a comment, it was mixed up with a new vid
@@HoneyDoll894 i meant to reply to you check my other reply in this thread
Byf, I know we laud your voice at any and all opportunity, but I gotta say the Sesame Street cadence you pulled off for this deserves a mention of its own. Bravo.
The more we learn about Cloud Striders the more we find that they're just Halo Spartans. Painful augmentation, indoctrination, and in the case of Spartans, against their will because they were abducted from Reach and other planets.
i recommend reading the lore tab of Cyrtarachne's Facade, it details a Neomuni explorer encountering a wrecked Fallen ketch and its occupants on one of Neptune's moons, Thalassa
pretty neat stuff
I’d imagine it’s comparable to becoming a spartan ll.
Painful augmentations and indoctrination as a child, I wonder where I've seen that before in a bungie game.....
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Fun fact, one of the Cloudstriders has rigged the Sideral to become destroyed and irrecuperable so no more Cloudstriders would be created. She gave the key to her apprentice before passing away, so that means its a potential Seasonal story where na enemy tries to cripple Neomuna by cutting off the Cloudstriders production
More likely a rug-pull ending to an episode years in the future.
Imagine the House of Salvation learn of Neomuni nanotech, and descend on the city to co-opt/use the Sidereal. This prompts Nimbus (hopefully a little more serious/mature by now) to start looking for their own apprentice.
A lot of House Salvation are former Devils, who already have experience with a slightly more primitive Human nanotech. Now that Eramis has left the system, and the Witness' end nears, there will definitely be a power struggle.
The season's villain nearly triumphs, only for Nimbus to input the Sidereal's killcode in the final cutscene, accepting their fate as the last Cloud Strider and entrusting the Guardians with Neomuna's care.
If done correctly, this could both unite Humanity's two cities even more closely, and possibly even redeem Nimbus' characterisation.
On the comparison with the pied piper, the first known record from Hamlin states, roughly 'it's been 100 years since our children left'. Obviously no-one suspects a magical flute player to actually be responsible, but it's a reasonable suggestion that something very tragic did happen in Hamlin 1284, given the rhyme, the documents referring to it and the commemorative stain glass window (destroyed in 1660, but well accounted for). The big issue, is, like in this lore tab, it's hard to know exactly what all these things refer to.
Little Timmy told his password to his toaster, now the vex are invading the cloud ark.
Can we start a petition to get Byf to do a whole video as an episode of Capybara Corner?
Byf!
My respect brother! Very, very good pronunciation on "niños". "Smooth, almost native dare I say"
Going that far on taking care of little details. Thank you for your efforts 🙏
We enjoy the fact you bring us an in depth look at the lore man no need to be so particular at the end
Found this interesting:
Aesop (/ˈiːsɒp/ EE-sop or /ˈeɪsɒp/ AY-sop; Greek: Αἴσωπος, Aísōpos; c. 620-564 BCE; formerly rendered as Æsop) was a Greek fabulist and storyteller credited with a number of fables now collectively known as Aesop's Fables. Although his existence remains unclear and no writings by him survive, numerous tales credited to him were gathered across the centuries and in many languages in a storytelling tradition that continues to this day. Many of the tales associated with him are characterized by anthropomorphic animal characters.
Considering the hydra was called Aesop, the answer as to what happened with the kids might be in one of Aesop's fables. It's unclear if the kids were killed or taken by the vex, so if this is a parallel to one of Aesop's fables, that fable might hold the answers
Aesop was a Greek storyteller and the maker of many fairy-tales, referred to as "Aesop's Fables". They generally feature fantastical creatures and talking plants / animals, and usually have a moral behind them. Two super famous (at least in the UK), are "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" and "The Tortoise and the Hare".
Really interesting to see the name Aesop in a children's cautionary tale style story. That can't be a coincidence. Hopefully something which gets expanded on in future.
This is really interesting... I don't want to speculate as to the ultimate end of those children but one thing is for sure the Vex war has been going on for a while. If you are an Exo specifically you hear (I think from Quinn) that it is nice to see a robot that isn't trying to kill you for a change... The Vex have probably tried to get to Neptune ever since Soteria crashed there and became a distress signal that sounded and smelled like a Vex one. I can imagine the Vex wanting to investigate it immediately and thus picking a fight with the puny humans meddling with it.
and here I thought I would get a step-by-step guide on how to make my own...
Always thumbs up for Byf!!!
Please tell me I am not the only one who has been singing "Capy Baraaa.. Capybara Capybara Capybara Capybara.. Capy Baraaaa...."
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Either or it's just there way of saying 'better safe than sorry'
the rhyme from the swarmers entry has a similar structure and vibe to Goethe's "Erlkönig". I wonder if the writers were inspired by that poem.
That is so wild, thanks for telling this story!
If there was ever a plot hook for a strike, exotic mission or dungeon this would be a good final boss for it.
Looking into the name I found this:
Aesop - a Greek storyteller most well remembered for his Fables
Aesop - one who invents stories or fables
Fables - stories using humans and animals to convey morals
Considering Neomuna’s revisionist history they may have made up the story of Aesop, Sovereign Mind as justification for war and a fable for kids to keep connections secured.
An exotic I think people should read is the filaments. I dont know why but I feel like it details the veil in some way due it detailing something in the universe as a "fungus". Not to mention it describes a interesting theory about our ghosts.
It's Thursday, and you know what that means! That's right
WHERE TWAB??
0:26 thats why i DO NOT use light weight frame special GLs
Ah, I love ya Nimbus. Ya big silver galoot.
I really like these stories there allowed to be vague because there children's stories and it also relates to real world stories (such as Aseops fables)
My personal theory is that the lore within Neomuna hints at what lies beyond the Light and Dark Saga, and that we're in for a big shake up of things with D2's conclusion.
Byf, did you use the wrong title and description...? The contents of this video talk about a war, not the painful machine that makes Cloudstriders or whatever the description and title are talking about. Am I crazy..?
Aesop sounds like it could make a return as a seasonal villain post-Final Shape.
Now I want Byf to be the host of a Blues Clues/ Dora the Explorer type of show.
I think it would be a neat 4th wall breaking touch if the reason you couldn't find it on Ishtar was because Aesop deleted all traces of itself in the Neomuni databank. If it had enough network privileges to do what it did then erasing itself from history might not have been beyond it. It might also help explain why the only information we do have about it is in a nursery rhyme, which is spoken not recorded history. That being said though I think even if it did delete its footsteps, clearly the Neomuni would make their own data entries about it and as you said the whole Cloudstrider program potentially sprouted from it. Just a cool concept maybe.
So when do we make nimbus into a gun?
CloudArk Patch 1.1
- Deleted "Children.EXE"
- Got a functioning antivirus
- Servers are gonna be down for 2 days while we reinstall "Children.EXE"
P.S. DONT LET AESOP IN AGAIN.
😂😂😂😂 that's dark af I shouldn't be laughing take my like
Seems like the vex will be getting a visit from guardian hansen.
Here's what I want to know: How do Neomuni err... repopulate? Are the original colonists just immortal within the CloudArk, or do they have to .. Log Out... to uh, add a new user..?
I feel like there's an explanation for this, but we don't know it yet. Or at least, I don't.
Some lore books mention that time in the cloud ark is usually limited, and at the beginning of the story they say "citizens to defence positions" or something similar, which sounds to me like everyone getting chucked into pods for their safety.
So from that I read that citizens usually spend their time IRL, but they're all in there full time right now because of being invaded by Calus and friends.
Or they just clone people a bunch. Golden age tech, yeah?
They Neomuni have only been within the CloudArk for the past 2 to 3-ish years as it was the impending arrival of the Black Fleet that gave them reason to put everyone into Cryostasis. Prior to that they lived within the actual city itself.
I know it sounds dumb but I kinda want to see Aesop as campaign boss for expansion after TFS, also hope he would have personally.
I know it's wishful thinking tho
Aesop's fables? A children's book? Shivers....
There's brothers Grimm those are dark af anything Disney has made look at the source
Did Byf title his video wrong? Or did i miss something. He didn’t really talk about the creation of a CloudStrider. Just the history of 3 named CloudStriders
Yeh, I was thinking the same thing. Even rewatched to make sure I didn’t miss something.
There was a glitch with the title and thumbnail, seems like the cloudstrider creation video is coming later this week
Does that mean all these people (me included) commented before opening the video?
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 I watched the whole Video. I just was expecting a very different video
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 maybe
"oh look a pair of pants that gives me more threadlings, i wonder what strand related lore it has"
"oh."
Cloudstider board as a sparrow when?
Aesop makes me that this could have potentially be a "necessary" ploy by Clovis to appear as a god over humanity in a way, but I could be wrong since he or Rasputin probably could have let something like this slip in Season of the Seraph.
So in one of the news broadcasts from Jisu, he mentioned that since our presence became known on Neomuna, a number of ghosts have appeared on Neomuna, with no mention of them coming with guardians. Is it possible that we could get some cloudstrider guardians? And if so, will they come back as their cloudstriders forms, or will they be resurrected as their pre-augmented selves?
I hope they are resurrected with their augments. That would be the most powerful protector we have ever seen.
Good question. The Coalition and the Last City of Earth would be welcoming to a new Guardian to defend humanity, but I feel Neomuna and Nimbus would be conflicted and need more time to process the Light choosing a Couldstriders. As Neomuna has always had a serious dedication to the sacrifice the Cloudstriders make. Since they know they’re history and roots, unlike the Last City, they’d probably see a risen Guardian Cloudstrider as heresy. Something to be shunned. There’s a lot of story potential there: Guardians aiding Neomuna in destroying Aesop, and a Cloudstrider returning as a Guardian. If a season like that could end with an official alliance with Neomuna, and them and the Cloudstriders accepting the Guardians, the newly risen Cloudstrider, and the Coalition as a whole, that’d be a great season.
They'd be resurrected as they died: with their augmentations. While Ghosts can eliminate causes of natural death such as disease, they seem more limited in removing mechanical augmentations (such as Guardians turning into Vex). So maybe a Guardian Cloudstrider's augs wouldn't kill them because their human bodies were resurrected in the Light. Or maybe they'd still kill them every 10 years, but that death would be no different from other forms of death (i.e., one quick rez and they're back on their feet). Depends if their Ghosts can truly restore the biological body to the point where it "resets" the aug death clock.
Either way, it seems like a resurrected Cliudstrider would have all of the upsides with none of the downsides (aside from, potentially, minor inconvenience).
The children’s show lore entries remind me of the the bounty hunter show in Cowboy Bebop lol.
I still feel the Vex arrived a the same time as the Exodos Indigo or the Veil, because of the MSund12 in the OXA at the end of the Insight Terminus. Has to be about Maya Sundaresh.
It may be my dark humor but I love finding bits like The Swarmers lore tab in games especially when it is contrasted with the Cloud Strider entries as it helps the world feel so much more real. The Swarmers is very much in line with the old Brothers Grim Fairy Tales, while the Cloud Strider entries are more in line with the Disney whitewashing/revisionist version of those same tales when the same morals of the story need to be told in different ways to match the world of the time.
Side Note Asope might not have actually been a Vex it could have possibly been some form of Paracausal entity/manifestation connected to the Veil with those "lost children" becoming the threadlings guided by our flow instead of their original selves, as they are to "alive" for lack of a better term to be just shaped manifestations of Strand.
I forgot what lore tab said it but there’s a lore tab that explains why the vex remember being afraid part of the story told to the children about port security.
It sounds less like they were taken and more like their light was extinguished 😢 and if that’s so, if it’s not controlled by Asher Meir, I will tear every vex I see apart
I was to lazy to turn off subtitles and they told me that, apparently, the latest expansion isn't called lightfall but life or law.
Subtitles is a gift
When Byff reaches 1.5mil subs he needs to read children stories with the exact voice he used to read these entries
I have been very curious about the differences and simularities between Neomuni Quicksilver Nanites and SIVA Nanites. First of all, despite pre-Lightfall-Release Speculation, Quicksilver Nanites DONT seem to be upgraded SIVA, but rather Nanites developed from studying the Winterbite Exotic Glaive, which the Neomuni has been in possesion of since its founding, from an unknown Pyramid assailant during the Collapse.
With that said, I find it ironig that Quicksilver Nanites are talked about being so much more advanced than SIVA, because as far as we know, SIVA has no 10-Year limit on its Cyborgs. Not only that, but SIVA heals the bodies of its Cyborgs, like the First Boss of the Wrath of the Machine Raid, or Resurrecting the Sepiks Prime Servitor from death TWICE. Even Reanimating Dead Iron Lords to defend the Replication Complex. As far as we know, Quicksilver cant do any of these crazy capabilites. Quicksilver just seems more dangerous and less adaptable. While Devil Splicers relish and actively try to increase their Nanite count for greater Augmentations, Cloudstriders live in a deep existential fear of having a guaranteed death in 10 Years....
So, the virgin clownstrider VS THE CHAD DEVIL SPLICERS. Also Wrath of the Machine will be the returning D1 Raid. Dont listen to what the Twitter Users say.
To be fair the devil splicers didn't last long enough to see the potential side effects from using siva
@@wackobro3782 Well, we did see a Devil Splicer Capitan in the Tangled Shore in a Destiny Comic, and he looked quite chill. Also as far as we know, Quicksilver cant resurrect the dead into zombies, or return sentient robots to prestine working condition, like Sepiks Prime and Taniks.
Clownstriders is quickly going into my lexicon
SIVA???!! 🔴◾️🔺◾️🟥▪️🔻⬛️🔺🔻🟥⚫️
The nanites themself don't have an expiration date, it's the bodies of the cloudstriders that do. Their cybernetics aren't completely made up of nanites, and it's also fusing organic material with cybernetics. It makes them stronger but their bodies probably start to reject the foreign parts after 10 years as their organs start to fail and their immune system starts to attack itself. It's why cloudstriders have a specific death date where they're basically shut down slightly ahead of time so they don't have to suffer too much at the end of their life. I'm pretty sure any of the nanites stuff left over is what is used to make their graves or it's recycled back into the rest of the city. Also about devil splicers, eliksni are much more experienced and compatible with technology and integrating themselves with it as it's a part of their culture and they're an alien race with much different (and probably generally tougher) physiology to humans. Any properly nourished eliksni would probably tower over most humans, and the strongest of the devil splicers took so lot of ether for themselves prior to siva so as is they were larger and beefier, so whatever stress nanites tech puts on organisms wouldnt be felt as much or would take much longer to set in that it would for humans. Also eliksni naturally have longer potential life spans. Misraaks and Eramis are centuries old and plenty of the fallen bosses we fight throughout history were said to be as old if not older.
IDK man, I'd definitely watch 44 seasons of a capybara-themed educational show.
Right I would too
Was this video posted with the wrong title and description?
The Axis Mind's name, Aesop, kinda makes me think of Aesop's Fables.
I'd like to make a couple of points here. Not to argue byf, all hail lore daddy. But it doesn't seem like they were taken. if they were in the cloud ark and their connection was cut (stealing my point from anime here admittedly) that typically means they die. And also the reference to mourning and not being returned. But my secondary point is that I don't actually think this is the vex either... I think this is possibly something that a past cloud strider (or possibly just hacker/equivalent) because of the personification given, and attempt at coercion. There's precedence for it too because of the revisionist overtone of the entire thing and being geared toward the kids. Why terrify them with the knowledge of a bad cloud strider? (Just being cheeky here; but I wonder what kind of stories we told human children about people like dredgen yore or other evil guardians
One of the episodes after Final Shape: Echoes, appears to involve the Vex. I’m hoping it includes us, and House Light, working with the Neomuni to combat the constant threat of the Vex. Maybe we’ll encounter the infamous Aesop? And learn how to harness the CloudArk through the Veil and Strand? Dispelling such a threat and significantly repelling most of the Vex off of Neptune, like purging a virus, could be the next step in earning Neouma as official allies, as they seem very hesitant to join the Coalition.
Should Aesop return he's actually gonna be met with these fucking hands 🤜
see here the thing that kinda scares me most, the cloud ark is a digital place where you're mind goes and when it said "their connections went dark" sounds like the vex stole their minds probably to be simulated or even worst coveted into vex
Great job..thanks for the hard work!
IDK Byf, the wording in the Swarmers' lore tab about the parents mourning makes me think Aesop didn't kidnap those kids, he just straight up ended/converted them.
Nezerac?
The idea of a Pied Piper Boogeyman Vex Mind is fantastic and I really hope this is a character Bungie intend to bring forward as a Antagonist face of the Vex going forward.
Never thought of Vex as guys who drive by a school in a van but alas. At least now those children can all be assistants to Asher.
If you go to the couldstrider memorial and count all the tombs, there is over 400, that means there have been cloudstriders for about 4000 years give or take if they lived their full ten years, and then there was the time before the cloudsttiders, and that tells us that the dark ages on earth wasn’t just a few hundred years, and we get a rough estimate of how old our guardian now yay
Next video: DIY clouderstrider
They kinda say it in the lore, the Vex can manipulate the CloudArk from the outside. Maybe they can access it through weakpoints, like a router with a weak password. Something akin to your neighbor stealing WiFi.
As i understand it, its not a simulated reality the Cloud Arc creates. Its more like it digitizes a stored Neomuni's mind, then projects it back into the city digitally; and thats what all those so called "mobile platforms" we see around the city are, and what Quinn Lagari is. Its people's projected conciousnesses going about their physical lives digitally -- if that makes sense.
The fact the Vex Mind is called Aesop is extremely telling: Aesop is the name of an old Greek storyteller. Renowned for a collection of stories: Aesop's Fables, which is a collection of fables and folklore which include The Boy who Cried Wolf and many others. From what I can tell from a quick search, seems like the existence of Aesop themself is perhaps unclear, though all the fables are credited back to them. From reference alone, it seems like a fake Vex Mind, just created to make cautionary tales.
When a high pressure system and a low pressure system love each other very much.
If they ever follow up on that yisop thread and it comes back you know saint would step-up
I think it is funny that Bungie used the name BlueJ as a person who develops games. In reality, BlueJ is a developing program that uses Java for game programming. BlueJ us very good for beginning game Developers.
Just wanted to mention the funny detail.