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I think Proverbs 18:2 sums up the situation with Kwaku rather succinctly: "A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."
Martin England it doesn’t? I’m honestly wondering . So if you accept Jesus Christ you could never repent for your sins and go on living wrong without repenting? I don’t think the lord wants it that way. I was under the impression that you had to accept Jesus and repent for your sins and acknowledge them and try and do better .
I just now commented on Kwaku's youtube channel and interacted with some other comments. Found out Kwaku doesnt want this video public....WHY? He permanently banned me from his channel because I commented with the link of this video and other comments telling others to check out Apologia's response, but he banned me in a way that hides my comments from others. I can still comment on his video BUT, no one can see my comments except for myself when logged into my channel. How I found out about this is that I also have a second channel. I logged into that channel to check out my notifications and happened to go back to the video I commented on Kwaku's channel. Thats when i noticed my comments did not appear in the comments section. I logged back into my other channel and there it was! Which means Kwaku is hiding users who's comments disagree with his videos. I'm sure he did not ban you because he knows you will call him out publicly if he were to hide your comments on his videos. Just a heads up if anyone decided to comment on his videos. Keep up the good work!
FYI, here is my second channel. So the fact that I can comment under my own comment from another channel proves I have not been banned from Apologia, but I cannot do this under Kwaku's youtube channel because he has hidden both of my channels from interaction on his videos.
It’s true. He blocked my comments even though it didn’t violate guidelines. But it just speaks more about his character and shows his lack of tolerance. My question was if they support oppression of people. And I gave the example of Palestinian and Israelis both which are oppress. And that got me banned.
Love you Jeff. I was Mormon my whole life and I have seen the truth because of a great friend you met and Sandra Tanner and you played a huge role in my research. I was baptised Christian on Easter this year 2019. Keep up your amazing work God bless much love. More lives will change and go to the truth like mine.
Fyi, the "I feel"s are code for God is telling me, showing me, guiding me, etc. They believe very strongly in personal revelation through their feelings.
Personal attacks happen when a person can't stand within their own arguments. When Kwaku starts to see his position falter, he goes the personal attack route. Sad. Yes to Proverbs 18:2.
"Your arguments are poor. And the reason that they're poor is that you're not grounded in the word of the living God. You're not getting your position from Scripture. You've gotten your arguments from culture." -Jeff Durbin (1:18:25) Very powerful statement. Especially in the context it was said (around 1:12:27). It's a hard word. Pray that God would soften Kwaku's heart to receive this correction and ultimately find rest for his soul in the one true Jesus.
I was so relieved when you guys admitted to getting the date wrong on the article. That was the ONLY thing of substance that I found in his videos. I love the honesty and integrity you guys have shown with these accusations.
Except that I wouldn't capitalize the "G" in that context. Yes, he thinks he will become a god. This is in violation of the 1st commandment: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me."
@@all4jesus594 Whether mhotl's comment was intended as an atheistic attack on deism in general, or not, the statement "All (lowercase g) gods are made in the likeness of man" is a very true statement. All gods are made in the likeness of man. Only the true and living God is unique and holy in his nature.
@borrowed tomb: Didn't you watched the video? Or did you just decide to post without observing and listening. Perfect example of willful ignorance. Jeff just destroyed Kwaku's lies.
Good work you guys. My family members are Mormon and this “attitude” is prevalent in the culture and very sad to be on the receiving end of. Ps. I’ve wanted to meet you Jeff when I lived in Chandler AZ but never got the opportunity. I was saved through your ministry and for that I pray God continues to lift up your ministry. I love you guys :’) Godbless you
Reasonable BB He gets it from scripture. That’s where all Bible believers get our doctrine: “For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.” Romans 10:10 ESV www.bible.com/59/rom.10.10.esv “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Romans 10:10 KJV www.bible.com/1/rom.10.10.kjv “giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:12-14 ESV www.bible.com/59/col.1.12-14.esv
Daniel Omitted funny how each channel has their own view. I’m sure from his followers they would disagree. I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s just funny how two people can watch the same thing and get a different message
Black Dahlia It is the weight of the evidence. Kwaku provides a shady website that says Jeff has 11 arrest records. Anyone with reason and logic would know not to rely upon the top hit in a Google search to ascertain any type of truth. Kwaku provides Jackson as a “witness” yet Jackson doesn’t read any of the direct email correspondents with Apologia church, he just summarizes. Also, there is video evidence of how kind Dr. White was to Jackson outside the Mesa Temple. Apologia provided the Biblical requirement of two or three lines of witness and Kwaku was found wanting. It’s a shame. The debate is available to watch anytime and Kwaku even states in the video that “Dr. White is a charitable man” now he sits in mockery and uses condescending voices that would make Steven Anderson blush with embarrassment.
If you are dealing with someone who is already up to his neck in deception, did you really think you would come away feeling good? No, with people in cults you often come away feeling almost violated, and misrepresented. They will swear that day is night if it suits their purpose. In the end it degenerates into " he said, she said." This is to distract from any issues of substance. The way forward is to detach from them, just as you would detach from someone with an addiction, in order to protect yourself. Kwaku is not interested in truth. Until he is you are wasting your time on him.
Kwaku is an extremely dishonest and disingenuous person. He bans anyone (including myself) from his comment section for simply disagreeing and/or refuting him. He also heavily edits his comments as well. For instance, he pinned a comment from a fellow Mormon and then made it so nobody could refute the comment itself. This explains why his comment section looks like one big Mormon echo-chamber. It didn't occur organically, he deliberately orchestrated it to make it appear that way. All I did was point out the fact that he's had numerous opportunities to understand the orthodox Christian view of the trinity, even to the point where the information has been practically spoonfed to him, yet he continues to misrepresent it. That's literally all I said. No abuse, vulgar language or personal attacks on his character, nothing. This along with everything he said about James White and Jeff just validates my initial point in this post. Shame on you, Kwaku.
@@mr400meter 1) its only been up 37 minutes so he hasnt had chance to see it 2) its 1am in the morning so he's probably asleep 3) this comment is not about the apostacy. I have not discussed the apostacy i have simply mentioned the word. When i discuss apostacy it makes jeff durbin look bad cos he has no answer to it. Hence he deletes any discussion about apostacy. He has literally done it over 2 dozen times to me
as often happens, Kwaku got salty over biblical truths refuting his dodgy position, and so he went down the route of slander and attacking peoples' character. his mormon theology failed, so all he had was atheist Democratic arguments pertaining to abortion etc. he'll be a full-blown atheist soon enough; you can tell.
Kwaku did misrepresent how he was treated on Apologia Radio. I watched that entire episode myself and was surprised to hear Kwaku's later remarks regarding both James White and Jeff Durbin. However, I cannot say I am really that surprised by his "turn about" either. By his own testimony, Kwaku admitted on the show that he was raised as something of a "confused" non-denominational youth without a grounding in Scripture, Theology, or Church History. Without pursuing any higher biblical education (college or seminary), he became doubtful of the historic Christian faith. At some point he encountered the LDS Church and seems to have had some kind of "personal conversion" to the false religion of Mormonism. The fact is that Kwaku did a very messy job of defending the polytheism of his religion because he lacks an understanding of the discipline of biblical studies and theology. So I think after he did the program he felt that he needed to portray himself as the victim of these "mean Calvinists." It does show a lack of personal integrity on Kwaku's part. Pray for him. He remains a very lost and deceived soul. Amen.
I'm sorry this situation happened. I know you are clarifying and explaining the truth to the audience but trust that vengeance belongs to God. Even though Kwaku and others will slander you and bear false witness about you, Jesus Christ has saved you and the truth will prevail.
That young man demonstrated in the debate and his videos after, the mindset and arrogance of most LDS i have met in my 60 yrs.also mormon doctrine says murderers cannot go to heaven,unforgivable sin yet he calls out Gods stance on murder and mocks Jeff and dr.white holding to scripture.hippocrite,arrogant,prideful,full of himself.yup,he is a Mormon
This is un believable of Kweku I watched the show Dr white and Pastor Jeff were nice not only did Dr White gave kweku beautiful leather-bound bible specially made for Kweku . And this is how you repay them? Be encouraged Apologia we love you guys and we are benefiting from this Ministry. Kweku find it in your heart to apologize these are good folks.
I know right? They were so nice to him and went out of their way to make sure he'd have everything he needed -- flights, a ride from the airport, a nice hotel, money for meals, various books and this is how he turns around and treats them? Ungrateful would be an understatement. I know a few other adjectives I'd like to use but I'm not going to let my flesh get the better of me... And just so people know: getting a bible professionally re-bound is not cheap. That gift would've cost the ministry a few hundred dollars alone.
Kwaku's attack on Pastor Durbin's stance on abortion made me ask myself, "how many abortions did Kwaku prevent? How many families did kwaku influence to NOT KILL."
It's really pathetic and I really feel sorry that you guys had to deal with that millenialesque childish cry baby man-child character but I also understand that you had to put away his false claims (backed by what the Scripture teaches).
Been following you for a while Jeff, love what you do and love how everything is done through the word of god. Was just watching Kyuku responses and I’m very disappointed in the straight out lies and personal attacks he did on you and James.very very ungodly I think just his video alone shows quite easily that he is following a different god. God bless you guys ,your all doing an outstanding job.
hey apologia / the dividing line, is it possible to put time stamps in the descriptions? Since alot of the videos cover a few topics sometimes its nice to jump to one topic.
Oddly enough, in the Apologia debate with Kwaku.. At one point Kwaku turns to Durbin and says something along the lines of “you are so humble. You’ve just sat here and let Dr. White and I go back and forth without jumping in.” So clearly, he wasn’t expecting Durbin to be a moderator. 😑 And none of the questions asked of him were actually answered. He was trying to win an argument (and had no foundation) to build it on.
I saw that debate live The moment when Dr James White pointed out that bringing up polytheistic pagans doesnt refute monotheism in the bible was the final nail in the coffin. It was great to see and an awesome moment. No anger at all
I know I'm 3 weeks late but do you think maybe Kwaku's complete 180 on events might be down to pressure from his church? He seems to be so dishonest and far from the guy who was talking via your emails/msgs that it feels very much that he has been persuaded. Maybe some of his church members didn't like their representation despite it being clear it was his views? At the same time, being totally honest I don't know why but the fact this has come out like this doesn't surprise me too much. During the conversation Kwaku was acting a little disrespectful and far from humble at times and I saw Dr. White pick up on it - it wasn't that he got angry but he clearly was taken aback by Kwaku's lack of respect and it did change the level of his patience with him. It wasn't anything extreme but I've never seen Dr. White like that and he's obviously encountered much opposition in discussion so it wasn't the content but just Kwaku's manner at times.
55:43 The only thing that i saw that even implied that the debate was "1 on 1" was James at the beginning saying that Jeff was "In charge"; however, that could just be a reference to the Show being Jeff's. idk Kwaku is still being pretty bold in all his claims it seems.
I had watched Kwaku's response before this came out, just due to curiosity and he was very dishonest indeed, said things that weren't even true if you actually watch the debate itself.
Hello I enjoy your shows.i watched that debate and enjoyed it and felt that you gave a good account of Christian theology. I am in the middle and not a calvinist as I also hold to some Wesleyan theology on somethings. But I appreciate your content and it's every good stuff. May God bless you all
Like previous comments have said, I don’t completely agree with Calvinism, but I totally sympathize and like your respect as well as your truth telling of kwaku. I have had friends that are Mormons and they unfortunately have acted similarly. They claimed I was against who they were and I was disrespecting them when I was merely saying that their theology doesn’t hold truth. However, they are very good people, but they do have a false sense of theology.
Hey i just wanted to say the music takes away from what is being said, yeh it might add to the mood but unnecessary or could be lower in volume maybe. Want to hear what your saying not listen to the music. Was a lot better once the music stopped.
I disagree with Jeff on his Calvinism, but he certainly comes across of LOVING, REASONABLE and WILLING TO LISTEN. I commend Jeff for the dignity with which he's handled this situation with Kwaku.
I think its fair to say many also disagree with the errors of King James Onlyism. But you are correct, sir; about Jeff. This is why I enjoy Jeff's witnessing to Mormons. This does not mean I agree with Calvinism. But at least he's a Biblical Trinitarian, like myself. He is still a brother in Christ.
I disagree with you Kristi Smith or Han (I know Han is not your real name) on issues of Calvinism (we had very cordial emails btw), but I LOVE your videos dealing with Mormonism in light of your past time as a Mormon. Guys, go check this channel out for solid Mormon videos!
You mean lying about what he was going to do? He said he would act as a moderator, but he constantly jumped into the debate and sided with "Dr." White. That's not even open to interpretation, that's blatant in the video.
@@mr400meter In the agreement they made before the debate began. Kwaku would never have agreed to a two-on-one debate, especially not with such rude opponents who constantly interrupt and misrepresent what he believes.
I would ask everyone take a step back and just let it go. Whether one is on the offensive or defensive when it comes to this incident, it seems that this divide only grows between you and Kwaku. I love your show and the ministry you represent. Thank you for sharing the love of God and love of the people you come into contact with.
I have spoken to kwaku on TH-cam before.. I’m talking 2 years ago roughly. I’d hoped he would run across and speak to Jeff Durbin and Dr white. God is good because it happened. Kwaku is a smart mouthed kid.., and got the information he firmly needed. I’m not LDS. In fact my heart hurts for these folk. I’m born again and follow Jesus of the Bible.
Wait....I just had to pause to write this.. He really was talking about Zac?? When I heard him say that, I actually thought he was mistaken and probably meant pastor Luke! Especially when he imitated the body language. (Luke the bear lol) I don’t know Zac personally, only from the videos.. But I just knew there was no way he was talking about him! Wow so he actually was referring to Zac when he said that?? That’s crazy!
Pray for the boy..hes really deceived..seeing his last vid about zelf on shelf?.wanting to debate and donate money to LGBTQ charity..also saying in the 3mormons channel thinking Jesus is to return and bring world peace to everyone 😣 the demons be talking to him.. end times..
The only thing I wish this didn’t include was the chat about Calvinism. Is that really necessary for unbelievers to know the true joy and promise of His love? I get that Calvinism is a topic amongst Christians... Mormons are not Christians.
Is saving faith just believing in God? If I just believe that Jesus is God will God save me? If I'm living in adultery and I believe in Jesus but have no desire to stop my sin of adultery will God save me. That's saving by faith alone. But what about my sins? If I continue in my sins with no intentions of repenting of my sins ever but I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God will God save me? That's salvation by Faith alone or belief alone. Does that make since? Of course not. If repentance of sin is not required by God for salvation then why ever stop sinning? I can get saved without repenting just believing, once I believe according to faith alone I'm saved but I never turned away from sin. Does sin separate us From God? Why did Jesus die on the cross? To remove our sin. But will Jesus' blood remove the sins of someone who completely believes Jesus is God but hates God because they believe God didn't protect them as a child when they were being sexually molested? The Bible says that demons had total faith in Jesus, they knew Jesus was God, they believed. Will the demons be saved? The Bible asks the question in James 2:14 can just believing without works save you? "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith alone but does not have works? Can faith alone save him? Does this verse sound like the Bible teaches the faith alone doctrine? Read on in James 2 verse 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works is dead. Does it make sense to say that faith alone can somehow save us before were saved but after were saved faith alone can't save us? Where does the Bible teach that? All the passages in the Bible that teach about faith alone condem it. The Bible only says faith alone is dead. That must be applied when one is trying to use faith by itself in order to receive salvation. Can you receive salvation from a dead faith? Can you receive salvation from a faith that is lacking, not whole, not complete? James 2:22 Cleary teaches that it is works that makes your faith in Christ perfect or complete? Can a imperfect faith save you? Will God save a person if God has not justified that person? We must be made just in order to be saved. James 2:24 says faith alone will not justify you, but works is what brings justice to save you. Only Justified people can be saved. "You see then that a man is JUSTIFIED by works, and not by faith alone." The very first gospel sermon preached to the Jews was Acts chapter 2, listen to Peter tell the Jews the gospel, Acts 2:37-38 "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and fellow Jews, what shall we do?" Now listen to what Peter tells them, does he say just have Faith alone and you'll be saved? No. Verse 38 "Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Believing, repenting, and being baptized are all commands of God. We must obey Gods commands in order to receive salvation. Do you think you can not obey Gods commands and be saved? No way, impossible.
This is the problem with the false doctrine of faith alone, it teaches that no obedience to Gods commands is required to be saved. Just ignore James, just ignore Peter's sermon in Acts 2:38. We must OBEY the gospel in order to be saved. No where in just one verse in Romans or any other verse in the Bible will you find the complete entire gospel of salvation. John 3:16 says nothing about what Peter commands to do, to be saved in Acts 2:38. John 3:16 only mentions believing, and we know that's not the whole gospel because of of what is taught in James chapter 2. Many mistake Romans 10:13 as the whole gospel, they misinterpret that verse to say faith alone saves you. Did you know there is a verse in the Bible that explains what "calling on the name of the Lord literally is?" Its Acts 22:16" And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Friends that's a direct command from God and we must obey God! Saving Faith is believing and obeying the gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Here is the true Biblical gospel of Jesus: Hear the word Romans 10:17,) 2. Believe the Word: John 8:24) 3. Repent of sins Luke 13:3,5 Acts 2:38) 4. Confess publicly that you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God: Matthew 10:32,33 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven." An example of confessing Christ is found in Acts 8:37, 5. Baptized for the remission of sins Acts 2:38. And finally be faithfull until death Revelation 2:10 If you will obey the gospel God will add you to His church Acts 2:47 "praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." The Lords church is stated in Romans 16:16
Which do you say it is and why? And why do you say only one church can be the true church of Christ? How do you define church? Christian denominations that may vary on secondary issues but all hold the same canon and profess the same core doctrines can very much be "one church". Your question seems to imply that you believe differently (I apologize if I am misinterpreting your question), and if so why do you believe differently? Most Christians from a wide variety of church traditions that I lnow recognize they may not have 100% correct doctrine but are as close as they can with their current understanding. This whole question turns on how you define church. So, as you ask that question, what definition of "church" are you using?
@@bricelory9534 By church im obviously NOT talking about an actual physical building. Christ did not come to earth and literally build a church with bricks and morter The bibles says that christ came to earth and established his church. Therefore if u know ur bible then u know wot that means. U dont need me to explain it or to define the word church. U already know wot it means. I mean the same as the bible when i say church Jehovis witnesses are christians. However who they actually beleive jehova is is completely different to who other christians beleive he is. Thats a fundamental difference Thats wot im talking about. You have all these different churches, most of them christians who all read the same bible, who are all in conflict with each other and all contradict each other. Only one of them can be right There are over 100 sects of christianity. How can that be ? There should only be one. U say that there are only slight differerences between them but i disagree. Theres fundamental differences. And even if there was only slight differences that wouldnt cut it with me. There shouldnt be ANY differences If christ came and established his church then theres no need for man to make even the slightest change to it
@@bricelory9534 Which do i say it is and why ? I say its the church of jesus christ of latter day saints Why ? 1) because what they say about the apostacy makes perfect sense. And nobody has ever even come close to proving to me that the apostacy never happend 2) revelation
@@oscarduke639 Oscar Duke Oscar Duke this is exactly why I asked you to define church. I disagree wholeheartedly that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians, nor is it a Christian church. If you note, I said denominations that agree on the same core doctrines and have the same canon - the same set of books and documents they consider holy scripture. In the case of the Christian church, it is the series of books known commonly as the Old Testament and New Testament. Since you refuse to define your term church, I can only reply that you assume anyone who says they are a Christian is, and that is a definition I simply disagree with at a fundamental level - not just for the terms "church" or "Christian" but for just about label or distinguishing marker. Labels are only useful if they have a criteria to indicate what is within and without the group. That is why I ask for a definition of church. I do know what I believe the Bible means by Christ establishing his church, but I certainly don't know what you believe it means, which is why I ask. For the record, my definition is loosely something like: "church" can mean multiple things, from local congregations, specific denominations, as well as the global assembly/community of Christian believers either alive now or throughout history. This assembly is distinguished by a common belief in basic Christian tenets including the Trinity, the salvific purpose of Jesus' death and resurrection, that this salvation is received by the believer by faith in Jesus as savior alone, the Bible (Old and New Testaments) alone are God's inspired word to the world concerning salvation and God's plan throughout history, that the salvation of a believer leads to eternal life, Jesus will return to Earth to usher in the new creation. There may be other doctrines I might consider core, but hopefully this list gives you an idea of what I mean. With that in mind, in one way there are many churches - local congregations and different denominations - that actually composes THE church - the global assembly of believers throughout history. In that way, there may be many disagreements about certain interpretations and ideas, but they remain the same in the core beliefs. Those who step outside of those beliefs do not fall inside the Christian church. This is certainly a bit difficult because non-believers can be quite active in a local congregation or within a denomination. Which is why, also, I asked what definition you were using.
@@bricelory9534 Jehovis witnesses beleive in jesus christ therefore they are christians I think ur taking this whole church thing too far. U are taking something very simple and making it very complicated Jesus came and taught the TRUTH. in this modern day there are many different religions who all contradict each other. Only one of them can be telling the truth. So which one is it ? Its the one that jesus christ established as opposed to the one that man established. So which one did jesus christ establish then ? Please dont say christianity. Cos even christians contradict each other cos theres so many sects of christianity (jehovis witnesses being one of them) Jesus christ established his church. What did this church have. It had : 1) the truth 2) authority from god So which church today has the truth and priesthood authority ? Only one of them can have it
There is a mormon missionary that goes to our house they are good thats why my father let them come in and share about their gospel. At first its okay they say that because of joseph smith the words of god's is restored and I wasn't totally aware of that thinking how bad humanity is and as they come and go I learn new things and saying that we are saved through the atonement of christ and I totally agreed that is my basic knowledge about God. Mormons are really good their intentions is good. One time they shared something about pre-existence and they say we already exist in a spirit realm before we are born and they say jesus christ is our brother and I said okay and then after we are spiritual siblings and satan also is our spiritual siblings and make my fundamental knowledge wrong and made me confused. And because I read again the bible I already done understanding bible through clips and animations but also reading but more on watching animation. They are so good and there's one time that I was talking about someone who told me that mormons believe that they will be god someday and I told them its not right ? Asking them and I ask them like laughing expecting that they would agree to what I've said. Because of that it triggers me to read the bible again. Isaiah 43:10 John 1 1 John 5:7 Titus 3:5 John 1:18 Galatians 1:6-9 Ecclesiastes 9:5 Ephesians 2:8-9 Matthew 24:35 This verses is enough to say what is god and what kind of god he is. His words is not restored for it did not come to pass and if they say that it wasn't translated correctly then where is it? There is a distinction between creator and creation we will never be god someday for god exist from eternity to eternity. I don't want them to be offended because they have good intentions and yet they are mormons because they are born as mormon and dont have knowledge about the bible and saying that bible wasnt all true. I want to helo this mormon missionary they can't answer my questions yes it is true that not all can be answered but saying that the book of mormon is not contradictory to the bible. They believed in the bible and the book of mormon claimed that it was the most accurate above the earth. My date or what they goal was june 22 2019 but I tell them I'm not ready and still they continued to be here for me it is okay I want to help them I always attend their church everysunday and all of them are friendly and approachable. Please give me some advice
Maybe you could ask if they would study the new testament with you. You could show them those verses and help them see Jesus' gospel is one of grace not works and that there is assurance of salvation by believing in Christ alone.
I told them that I will read the book of mormon if they will also read the new testament and they agree and they told me they will also share their insights. I hope that the words will speak to them. Thank You!
@@iangienomillar8093 that's great!! I pray too that through the words of the New Testament the Holy Spirit will reveal God's grace and forgiveness of sin through faith in the true Jesus Christ!!
Todays wtf? is from Proverbs 26 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he feel wise in his own conceit.
I had been dating an LDS gal for some time and have researched their religion for years. Just a few thoughts...LDS people need to understand the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ. They only partly understand one side of the atonement; that Jesus died for their sins, but have NO IDEA of the other side of what Jesus did FOR US. If they can understand that, then all their worthiness, works, obedience to laws and ordinances melt like butter. Second, I love you Jeff and James, but there was a large portion of the debate, if I remember correctly, where you got into the weeds concerning predestination and the trinity which won't speak to a latter day saint AT ALL. You might as well be speaking a foreign language to them. Their narrative has been pounded into their head of what they are supposed to believe, not what scripture teaches. It's why even the most educated LDS can't even come close to seeing that their own Book of Mormon teaches that their is ONE GOD (modalism) and that Joseph started teaching something completely contrary to what their own scriptures teach. But please keep up the outreach to the mormons. They need to hear the love of Christ and what he did for them!
Well I’d venture to guess if she has been dating you, a non-member, for a significant amount of time, she isn’t a particularly invested member and probably doesn’t know very much about the scriptures and doctrine. There’s plenty of Christians that are like that as well.
Ryan Johnson - Ryan, thank you for your comment. There is a past with her, a divorce and other family ties to the church, but she is straddling many fences trying to make it fit in her life. She knows a lot of doctrine and is fairly well read but not well enough. For if she knew the history and followed the theological thread on a timeline there would be serious problems for her worldview. Obviously, I have issues as well as a follower of Christ and is why our relationship won’t last much longer. In the LDS mind, the church MUST be true so the mental gymnastics are constantly going off to make everything fit. Only time will tell. Having said all that she is actually a gospel doctrine teacher so as of late last year and this year she has been studying the Bible but constantly misses the theological obvious doctrines which conflict with hers. It’s reading with rose colored glasses for sure.
Religious debates are as much about scriptural interpretation as they are about anything. I didn’t think 2 on 1 wasn’t fair, but he agreed. Kwaku, IMO, wasn’t prepared. But I get why Jeff brought James White on, Jeff can’t come close to James on the epic resource James is. Although I’ve read where James has incriminated himself on sola scriptoria. I guess he can’t pretend to be right all the time by flooding his combatants with massive volumes of needless information and constant side-tracking. I’d love to se Jeff talk to a couple more suitable opponents by himself with at least one of them being at least as well versed as James White.
I can't imagine being a believer in a religion from the mouth of a 14 year old boy who later couldn't keep himself out of jail (repeatedly) through his own incorrugible nature...
Thanks to The Ninja, the Bear and the Girl for responding in such a firm, forthright and genuine way to that young man. Me thinks he doth protest too much. Perhaps he is under a great deal of conviction by the Holy Spirit to repent and be saved on account of your kindness AND your honest, loving, firm rebuke. Be blessed my brothers and sister. Coram Deo!
2 things: if you guys say you want kwaku to stick to Theology...perhaps do the same. 2. Some of the details could have been simple mistakes on Kwaku's part.
My problem with both Kwaku and ya’lls lines of thinking is that they are both backed up with with fallacy… kwaku definitely quotes scriptures out of context… but when he points out gaps in your definition of the trinity, you simply adjust definitions of words in order to redefine things in a way that covers up the hole in the logic.
The problem with mainstream religions is that everyone of them think that they are right, especially with the Christian mainstream religion where you have many different divisions amongst its faith now. I don't know how it got that way, but i'd imagine that it wasn't Jesus's vision to have his name being represented in this manner and have all this infighting take place for centuries on who is more right.
So in the attitude of “honest representation” should we change the debate name to “Intense debate with a Latter Day Saint?” Since they are no longer Mormons?
That's a good question, because the name "Latter Day Saint" itself is a misrepresentation. "Saint" refers to Christians, and Mormons/LDS aren't Christians.
Keith P Technically that is true, but as a title in respect to what they referred to themselves as, even though it’s not true, should we still represent them accurately by calling them but they call them selves. Like we call Muslims, Or Jehovah’s Witnesses. We know that they are not really Jehovah’s witnesses, but we still give them their representation because that is what they Call them selves.
I don't believe it's necessary for those that are not LDS to change the way we refer to the Mormon church. Mr. Nelson, the church president has commanded members of his church to use the official name, however, as I am not a member of that church, I am not subject to the rules or regulations set forth by any church president.
You guys should have posted the email on the screen (blocking out part of the email) so peopel can't come back and say "that's not what the email said."
You have to be super careful with the "2-3 witnesses" rule when an accusation is made against an Elder, otherwise you end up with a mess like the Jehovah's Witnesses.
I’m just watching all these videos on these exchanges between both groups, and the only conclusion I can draw is he is still a child in some ways and lacks experience, which lends to his overall lack of integrity. If he was a grown man, he’d have addressed this on air on the spot. Instead, he acted like he was being above board, but returned to his safe space among his viewership to slander and whine. These are the actions of a child and a liar. It’s sad, because he had represented himself decently at first. I’m neither Calvinist or Mormon, but just an obvious observation that this man suffers from two diseases - Youthful inexperience and feminist victimhood instilled in the culture of this generation.
My only issue with what y’all said today really isn’t an issue. However, I think it should be voiced. When Kwaku introduced himself on FB Messenger, and said “Hey I’m Kwaku from the 3 Mormons.” He was most likely referencing something that y’all would know him from. It’s not that big of a deal but, you know he is going to mention it in his response.
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Some left CHRISTIANITY, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, due to rebellious & lack of knowledge.
Go to 25:00 if you want to skip to the real topic
Keith P I don’t know why no one has said thank you to you but Thank You lol
Thank you. All the filler is annoying.
Yes thank you.
I really don’t see how watching that old woman suffer was supposed to be funny. Kind of cruel for Christians in my opinion.
Thanks Keith P. Time is my greatest asset.
I think Proverbs 18:2 sums up the situation with Kwaku rather succinctly:
"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."
Spot on!
I'm often guilty of this, too.
@@Mattchew2232 , we all have a flesh; Believers have The SPIRIT Of HOLINESS. Are Ya livin in Repentance and Faith, by GOD'S Great Grace?
@@Chirhopher Yes, sir!
Martin England it doesn’t? I’m honestly wondering . So if you accept Jesus Christ you could never repent for your sins and go on living wrong without repenting? I don’t think the lord wants it that way. I was under the impression that you had to accept Jesus and repent for your sins and acknowledge them and try and do better .
I just now commented on Kwaku's youtube channel and interacted with some other comments. Found out Kwaku doesnt want this video public....WHY? He permanently banned me from his channel because I commented with the link of this video and other comments telling others to check out Apologia's response, but he banned me in a way that hides my comments from others. I can still comment on his video BUT, no one can see my comments except for myself when logged into my channel. How I found out about this is that I also have a second channel. I logged into that channel to check out my notifications and happened to go back to the video I commented on Kwaku's channel. Thats when i noticed my comments did not appear in the comments section. I logged back into my other channel and there it was! Which means Kwaku is hiding users who's comments disagree with his videos. I'm sure he did not ban you because he knows you will call him out publicly if he were to hide your comments on his videos. Just a heads up if anyone decided to comment on his videos. Keep up the good work!
FYI, here is my second channel. So the fact that I can comment under my own comment from another channel proves I have not been banned from Apologia, but I cannot do this under Kwaku's youtube channel because he has hidden both of my channels from interaction on his videos.
He doesn’t want to learn, at this point, it’s throwing our pearls to swine.
Posting links blocks your comments out too sometimes.
But yeah, I’ve been banned. He allows Mormon trolls like Johnny Phoenix to run rampantly.
far easier to suppress the truth than accept it.
It’s true. He blocked my comments even though it didn’t violate guidelines. But it just speaks more about his character and shows his lack of tolerance. My question was if they support oppression of people. And I gave the example of Palestinian and Israelis both which are oppress. And that got me banned.
Love you Jeff. I was Mormon my whole life and I have seen the truth because of a great friend you met and Sandra Tanner and you played a huge role in my research.
I was baptised Christian on Easter this year 2019. Keep up your amazing work God bless much love. More lives will change and go to the truth like mine.
Awesome!
“I feel” is used too much in his statements which emphasizes pure opinion... not unadulterated, hard facts.
Ok but what about the theological standpoints
Fyi, the "I feel"s are code for God is telling me, showing me, guiding me, etc. They believe very strongly in personal revelation through their feelings.
@NY UK dont be ridiculous all human beings use the word like 😭😭😭
Amen. That word/expression is used far to much.
Personal attacks happen when a person can't stand within their own arguments. When Kwaku starts to see his position falter, he goes the personal attack route. Sad. Yes to Proverbs 18:2.
You see a lot of these personal attacks when debating with atheists too. My personal experience.
"Your arguments are poor. And the reason that they're poor is that you're not grounded in the word of the living God. You're not getting your position from Scripture. You've gotten your arguments from culture." -Jeff Durbin (1:18:25)
Very powerful statement. Especially in the context it was said (around 1:12:27). It's a hard word. Pray that God would soften Kwaku's heart to receive this correction and ultimately find rest for his soul in the one true Jesus.
Ive lost count to how many times I’ve listened and watched that debate.
We should send it to his elders, ward cleaver, and the 12.
I was so relieved when you guys admitted to getting the date wrong on the article.
That was the ONLY thing of substance that I found in his videos.
I love the honesty and integrity you guys have shown with these accusations.
Yeah, it was really refreshing to see them admit that. I wanted to hear the truthful end of that issue.
Kuaku lives in his own world and has fashioned a God in his likeness. He has become like his idol. Deaf, mute, blind.
Except that I wouldn't capitalize the "G" in that context. Yes, he thinks he will become a god. This is in violation of the 1st commandment: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me."
All gods are made in the likeness of man.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER are you sarcastic?
@@all4jesus594 Whether mhotl's comment was intended as an atheistic attack on deism in general, or not, the statement "All (lowercase g) gods are made in the likeness of man" is a very true statement. All gods are made in the likeness of man. Only the true and living God is unique and holy in his nature.
I totally agree. I tried to have a convo with him on twitter DM but.. it just seemed like throwing pearls to swine..
I am so glad you made this video. I watched both his videos and wanted to know you all's side of the story. Thank you, Apologia Studios.
I love how Jeff talks to him like a disappointed father about lying and being dishonest lol
borrowed tomb isn’t that what the entire video is about?
@borrowed tomb: Didn't you watched the video? Or did you just decide to post without observing and listening. Perfect example of willful ignorance. Jeff just destroyed Kwaku's lies.
He clearly posted without watching.
Good work you guys. My family members are Mormon and this “attitude” is prevalent in the culture and very sad to be on the receiving end of.
Ps. I’ve wanted to meet you Jeff when I lived in Chandler AZ but never got the opportunity. I was saved through your ministry and for that I pray God continues to lift up your ministry. I love you guys :’) Godbless you
Reasonable BB
He gets it from scripture. That’s where all Bible believers get our doctrine: “For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.”
Romans 10:10 ESV
www.bible.com/59/rom.10.10.esv
“For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
Romans 10:10 KJV
www.bible.com/1/rom.10.10.kjv
“giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”
Colossians 1:12-14 ESV
www.bible.com/59/col.1.12-14.esv
@Reasonable BB oh please stop your trolling and go back to your mama's basement
The lows Kwaku is hitting here is honestly sad. Much respect for Jeff for keeping a level head and patience during this outright slander.
Daniel Omitted funny how each channel has their own view. I’m sure from his followers they would disagree. I’m not saying you’re wrong. It’s just funny how two people can watch the same thing and get a different message
Black Dahlia It is the weight of the evidence. Kwaku provides a shady website that says Jeff has 11 arrest records. Anyone with reason and logic would know not to rely upon the top hit in a Google search to ascertain any type of truth. Kwaku provides Jackson as a “witness” yet Jackson doesn’t read any of the direct email correspondents with Apologia church, he just summarizes. Also, there is video evidence of how kind Dr. White was to Jackson outside the Mesa Temple. Apologia provided the Biblical requirement of two or three lines of witness and Kwaku was found wanting. It’s a shame. The debate is available to watch anytime and Kwaku even states in the video that “Dr. White is a charitable man” now he sits in mockery and uses condescending voices that would make Steven Anderson blush with embarrassment.
Good summary, John
If you are dealing with someone who is already up to his neck in deception, did you really think you would
come away feeling good?
No, with people in cults you often come away feeling almost violated, and misrepresented.
They will swear that day is night if it suits their purpose. In the end it degenerates into " he said, she said."
This is to distract from any issues of substance.
The way forward is to detach from them, just as you would detach from someone with an addiction,
in order to protect yourself.
Kwaku is not interested in truth. Until he is you are wasting your time on him.
Kwaku is an extremely dishonest and disingenuous person. He bans anyone (including myself) from his comment section for simply disagreeing and/or refuting him. He also heavily edits his comments as well. For instance, he pinned a comment from a fellow Mormon and then made it so nobody could refute the comment itself. This explains why his comment section looks like one big Mormon echo-chamber. It didn't occur organically, he deliberately orchestrated it to make it appear that way.
All I did was point out the fact that he's had numerous opportunities to understand the orthodox Christian view of the trinity, even to the point where the information has been practically spoonfed to him, yet he continues to misrepresent it. That's literally all I said. No abuse, vulgar language or personal attacks on his character, nothing. This along with everything he said about James White and Jeff just validates my initial point in this post. Shame on you, Kwaku.
That echo chamber is painful to be in.
He’s blocked me from his comment section as well.
Totally agree. It’s deceptive to his audience he’s appealing to. He knows what he is doing.
Pot kettle blak. Jeff dourbin deletes all of my comments about the apostacy
This comment looks safe
@@mr400meter 1) its only been up 37 minutes so he hasnt had chance to see it 2) its 1am in the morning so he's probably asleep 3) this comment is not about the apostacy. I have not discussed the apostacy i have simply mentioned the word. When i discuss apostacy it makes jeff durbin look bad cos he has no answer to it. Hence he deletes any discussion about apostacy. He has literally done it over 2 dozen times to me
Anything regarding Apologia and Kwaku is a treat. God bless Jeff, Dr White, and the crew
as often happens, Kwaku got salty over biblical truths refuting his dodgy position, and so he went down the route of slander and attacking peoples' character. his mormon theology failed, so all he had was atheist Democratic arguments pertaining to abortion etc. he'll be a full-blown atheist soon enough; you can tell.
Background music slightly distracting
I love Apologia Studios but two it is rather annoying and not really needed either I don't think
Totally. Mixed way too high. I can’t pay attention to what’s being said because it feels like its playing out a section or something.
Jacob Maier: No...It's VERY distracting.
Kwaku did misrepresent how he was treated on Apologia Radio. I watched that entire episode myself and was surprised to hear Kwaku's later remarks regarding both James White and Jeff Durbin. However, I cannot say I am really that surprised by his "turn about" either. By his own testimony, Kwaku admitted on the show that he was raised as something of a "confused" non-denominational youth without a grounding in Scripture, Theology, or Church History. Without pursuing any higher biblical education (college or seminary), he became doubtful of the historic Christian faith. At some point he encountered the LDS Church and seems to have had some kind of "personal conversion" to the false religion of Mormonism. The fact is that Kwaku did a very messy job of defending the polytheism of his religion because he lacks an understanding of the discipline of biblical studies and theology. So I think after he did the program he felt that he needed to portray himself as the victim of these "mean Calvinists." It does show a lack of personal integrity on Kwaku's part. Pray for him. He remains a very lost and deceived soul. Amen.
I'm sorry this situation happened. I know you are clarifying and explaining the truth to the audience but trust that vengeance belongs to God. Even though Kwaku and others will slander you and bear false witness about you, Jesus Christ has saved you and the truth will prevail.
What is this music? lol I feel pretty cool that I recognize a Lakey Inspired track when I hear it 🙌🏽💯
I am not surprised he lied about what happened. He was being so shady during the conversation that it made me so uneasy.
That young man demonstrated in the debate and his videos after, the mindset and arrogance of most LDS i have met in my 60 yrs.also mormon doctrine says murderers cannot go to heaven,unforgivable sin yet he calls out Gods stance on murder and mocks Jeff and dr.white holding to scripture.hippocrite,arrogant,prideful,full of himself.yup,he is a Mormon
cynthia Erickson perfectly stated. It’s easy to act like that when you are going to be a God one day.
This is un believable of Kweku I watched the show Dr white and Pastor Jeff were nice not only did Dr White gave kweku beautiful leather-bound bible specially made for Kweku . And this is how you repay them? Be encouraged Apologia we love you guys and we are benefiting from this Ministry. Kweku find it in your heart to apologize these are good folks.
I know right? They were so nice to him and went out of their way to make sure he'd have everything he needed -- flights, a ride from the airport, a nice hotel, money for meals, various books and this is how he turns around and treats them? Ungrateful would be an understatement. I know a few other adjectives I'd like to use but I'm not going to let my flesh get the better of me...
And just so people know: getting a bible professionally re-bound is not cheap. That gift would've cost the ministry a few hundred dollars alone.
Kwaku's attack on Pastor Durbin's stance on abortion made me ask myself, "how many abortions did Kwaku prevent? How many families did kwaku influence to NOT KILL."
None
Apologia W- Kwaku L. Closed case.
Please turn the music off brother 😂
Truth lol
Just turn it down a little bit so you don’t have to yell over it. I like the chill music but it’s just a little too loud
The music is perfect brah, more of that 😂🙌
It's really pathetic and I really feel sorry that you guys had to deal with that millenialesque childish cry baby man-child character but I also understand that you had to put away his false claims (backed by what the Scripture teaches).
Next, Kwaku will start condemning Paul for having been a murderer...
GREAT VID. THANK YOU JEFF.....The Mormon cult falls on the lack of archeological! evidence alone ..........
Or the Book of Abraham, or the peep stone, or the many anachronisms I. The BOM, or the native American DNA….
Been following you for a while Jeff, love what you do and love how everything is done through the word of god. Was just watching Kyuku responses and I’m very disappointed in the straight out lies and personal attacks he did on you and James.very very ungodly I think just his video alone shows quite easily that he is following a different god. God bless you guys ,your all doing an outstanding job.
Is there any reason why your shows don’t go on apple podcast anymore?
I was wondering that too.....
I'd love to see you release the audio in podcast format. I can't watch video while driving around!
Anyone know where the first line of their intro is from? I've searched it and cannot find out what it's from!
It’s a clip from a Dr. Walter Martin talk. Not sure which one!
“The Baptism of Boldness” by Walter Martin. I only know because I wondered about it once too ;p
Vincent Pena dope! Walter Martin is surely rejoicing in Heaven as we speak. That man had such a heart for Jesus.
hey apologia / the dividing line, is it possible to put time stamps in the descriptions? Since alot of the videos cover a few topics sometimes its nice to jump to one topic.
Was waiting for this. 👀.
kwaku is doing more damage to the Mormon cult than any of their own published mormon cult leaders could ever do.
@@choicemeatrandy6572 ahahaha right :)
By the way Kweku i will be happy to get that bible from you Incase you are thinking otherwise 🤷♀️just saying
I'm so jealous that they gave him all that free stuff! I had to buy Dr. White's books!
And yeah, ask him if you can have it!
Wait is kwaku a LDS liberal? That’s the most oxymoronic thing in existence
Awww big CONGRATULATIONS JoY!!!! God bless you ❤️
:)
Amen
Oddly enough, in the Apologia debate with Kwaku.. At one point Kwaku turns to Durbin and says something along the lines of “you are so humble. You’ve just sat here and let Dr. White and I go back and forth without jumping in.” So clearly, he wasn’t expecting Durbin to be a moderator.
😑 And none of the questions asked of him were actually answered. He was trying to win an argument (and had no foundation) to build it on.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Kwaku is just a puppet to the Mormon church and he is an ass clown.
When Mormons can't defend their faith they resort to slander its always with them.
Thats because they are in the flesh. They are slaves to their sin. We have to reach these people.
I saw that debate live
The moment when Dr James White pointed out that bringing up polytheistic pagans doesnt refute monotheism in the bible was the final nail in the coffin. It was great to see and an awesome moment. No anger at all
Former Mormon?
@@mr400meter
They need to leave their luciferian cult.
Amen.
I know I'm 3 weeks late but do you think maybe Kwaku's complete 180 on events might be down to pressure from his church? He seems to be so dishonest and far from the guy who was talking via your emails/msgs that it feels very much that he has been persuaded. Maybe some of his church members didn't like their representation despite it being clear it was his views?
At the same time, being totally honest I don't know why but the fact this has come out like this doesn't surprise me too much. During the conversation Kwaku was acting a little disrespectful and far from humble at times and I saw Dr. White pick up on it - it wasn't that he got angry but he clearly was taken aback by Kwaku's lack of respect and it did change the level of his patience with him. It wasn't anything extreme but I've never seen Dr. White like that and he's obviously encountered much opposition in discussion so it wasn't the content but just Kwaku's manner at times.
55:43 The only thing that i saw that even implied that the debate was "1 on 1" was James at the beginning saying that Jeff was "In charge"; however, that could just be a reference to the Show being Jeff's. idk Kwaku is still being pretty bold in all his claims it seems.
I had watched Kwaku's response before this came out, just due to curiosity and he was very dishonest indeed, said things that weren't even true if you actually watch the debate itself.
Huy DO agreed. I did the same
Spot on!
Where can I find the links to Kwaku’s videos? Did a search and couldn’t find them.
Hello I enjoy your shows.i watched that debate and enjoyed it and felt that you gave a good account of Christian theology. I am in the middle and not a calvinist as I also hold to some Wesleyan theology on somethings. But I appreciate your content and it's every good stuff.
May God bless you all
Was there any phone calls, it seems there is a lot of contact missing.
Like previous comments have said, I don’t completely agree with Calvinism, but I totally sympathize and like your respect as well as your truth telling of kwaku. I have had friends that are Mormons and they unfortunately have acted similarly. They claimed I was against who they were and I was disrespecting them when I was merely saying that their theology doesn’t hold truth. However, they are very good people, but they do have a false sense of theology.
Hey i just wanted to say the music takes away from what is being said, yeh it might add to the mood but unnecessary or could be lower in volume maybe. Want to hear what your saying not listen to the music. Was a lot better once the music stopped.
I disagree with Jeff on his Calvinism, but he certainly comes across of LOVING, REASONABLE and WILLING TO LISTEN. I commend Jeff for the dignity with which he's handled this situation with Kwaku.
I think its fair to say many also disagree with the errors of King James Onlyism. But you are correct, sir; about Jeff. This is why I enjoy Jeff's witnessing to Mormons. This does not mean I agree with Calvinism. But at least he's a Biblical Trinitarian, like myself. He is still a brother in Christ.
I disagree with you Kristi Smith or Han (I know Han is not your real name) on issues of Calvinism (we had very cordial emails btw), but I LOVE your videos dealing with Mormonism in light of your past time as a Mormon. Guys, go check this channel out for solid Mormon videos!
You mean lying about what he was going to do? He said he would act as a moderator, but he constantly jumped into the debate and sided with "Dr." White. That's not even open to interpretation, that's blatant in the video.
@@loqutor Can you cite for me where he actually said that?
@@mr400meter In the agreement they made before the debate began. Kwaku would never have agreed to a two-on-one debate, especially not with such rude opponents who constantly interrupt and misrepresent what he believes.
Begging you to stop the music!
Great show. Wondering why you don't talk much on his comments about James Whites seminary?
Music is annoying, sorry
You guys were respectful and kind during the entire duration of the debate with this young man. I commend you for your behavior. Excellent work men.
*gets popcorn*
I would ask everyone take a step back and just let it go. Whether one is on the offensive or defensive when it comes to this incident, it seems that this divide only grows between you and Kwaku. I love your show and the ministry you represent. Thank you for sharing the love of God and love of the people you come into contact with.
New York to UK I completely disagree. Which is fine. No love is lost for anyone here.
New York to UK Hey, I should not have tossed your viewpoint aside. I was flippant in my response. Hope you are doing ok.
I have spoken to kwaku on TH-cam before.. I’m talking 2 years ago roughly. I’d hoped he would run across and speak to Jeff Durbin and Dr white. God is good because it happened. Kwaku is a smart mouthed kid.., and got the information he firmly needed. I’m not LDS. In fact my heart hurts for these folk. I’m born again and follow Jesus of the Bible.
Kwaku has since theologically had a his rear end handed to him by Sam Shamoun & Vocab Malone. I don’t why he’s desperate to be publicly embarrassed.
Is there such a thing as a calvinist that believes they are predestined to hell?
Wait....I just had to pause to write this..
He really was talking about Zac??
When I heard him say that, I actually thought he was mistaken and probably meant pastor Luke!
Especially when he imitated the body language. (Luke the bear lol)
I don’t know Zac personally, only from the videos.. But I just knew there was no way he was talking about him!
Wow so he actually was referring to Zac when he said that??
That’s crazy!
Calvinists who lose arguments always claim their opponents don't understand Calvinism.
love you guys. Background music super annoying.
Pray for the boy..hes really deceived..seeing his last vid about zelf on shelf?.wanting to debate and donate money to LGBTQ charity..also saying in the 3mormons channel thinking Jesus is to return and bring world peace to everyone 😣 the demons be talking to him.. end times..
Why are you so dishonest? He said he'd only donate in the event that they accept the invitation and win, because he knew they're too cowardly.
@@loqutor in other words he supports the matter....God bless u bro
th-cam.com/video/_rN6mALL0A8/w-d-xo.html
The only thing I wish this didn’t include was the chat about Calvinism. Is that really necessary for unbelievers to know the true joy and promise of His love? I get that Calvinism is a topic amongst Christians... Mormons are not Christians.
Kwaku brought it up which brought about the response.
55:43 but isnt anyone who calls into 3 mormons also having a 3 on 1 ?
Man alive, would you please cut the music? It's EXTREMELY distracting.
More like quack-O 🤦🏽♀️
Or Kwakers.
Why not release the whole transcript so the world can see if Jeff is telling the truth or manipulating it.
Is saving faith just believing in God? If I just believe that Jesus is God will God save me? If I'm living in adultery and I believe in Jesus but have no desire to stop my sin of adultery will God save me. That's saving by faith alone. But what about my sins? If I continue in my sins with no intentions of repenting of my sins ever but I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God will God save me? That's salvation by Faith alone or belief alone. Does that make since? Of course not. If repentance of sin is not required by God for salvation then why ever stop sinning? I can get saved without repenting just believing, once I believe according to faith alone I'm saved but I never turned away from sin. Does sin separate us From God? Why did Jesus die on the cross? To remove our sin. But will Jesus' blood remove the sins of someone who completely believes Jesus is God but hates God because they believe God didn't protect them as a child when they were being sexually molested? The Bible says that demons had total faith in Jesus, they knew Jesus was God, they believed. Will the demons be saved? The Bible asks the question in James 2:14 can just believing without works save you? "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith alone but does not have works? Can faith alone save him? Does this verse sound like the Bible teaches the faith alone doctrine? Read on in James 2 verse 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works is dead. Does it make sense to say that faith alone can somehow save us before were saved but after were saved faith alone can't save us? Where does the Bible teach that? All the passages in the Bible that teach about faith alone condem it. The Bible only says faith alone is dead. That must be applied when one is trying to use faith by itself in order to receive salvation. Can you receive salvation from a dead faith? Can you receive salvation from a faith that is lacking, not whole, not complete? James 2:22 Cleary teaches that it is works that makes your faith in Christ perfect or complete? Can a imperfect faith save you? Will God save a person if God has not justified that person? We must be made just in order to be saved. James 2:24 says faith alone will not justify you, but works is what brings justice to save you. Only Justified people can be saved. "You see then that a man is JUSTIFIED by works, and not by faith alone."
The very first gospel sermon preached to the Jews was Acts chapter 2, listen to Peter tell the Jews the gospel, Acts 2:37-38 "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and fellow Jews, what shall we do?" Now listen to what Peter tells them, does he say just have Faith alone and you'll be saved? No. Verse 38 "Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Believing, repenting, and being baptized are all commands of God. We must obey Gods commands in order to receive salvation. Do you think you can not obey Gods commands and be saved? No way, impossible.
This is the problem with the false doctrine of faith alone, it teaches that no obedience to Gods commands is required to be saved. Just ignore James, just ignore Peter's sermon in Acts 2:38. We must OBEY the gospel in order to be saved. No where in just one verse in Romans or any other verse in the Bible will you find the complete entire gospel of salvation. John 3:16 says nothing about what Peter commands to do, to be saved in Acts 2:38. John 3:16 only mentions believing, and we know that's not the whole gospel because of of what is taught in James chapter 2. Many mistake Romans 10:13 as the whole gospel, they misinterpret that verse to say faith alone saves you. Did you know there is a verse in the Bible that explains what "calling on the name of the Lord literally is?" Its Acts 22:16" And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Friends that's a direct command from God and we must obey God! Saving Faith is believing and obeying the gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Here is the true Biblical gospel of Jesus: Hear the word Romans 10:17,) 2. Believe the Word: John 8:24) 3. Repent of sins Luke 13:3,5 Acts 2:38) 4. Confess publicly that you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God: Matthew 10:32,33 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven." An example of confessing Christ is found in Acts 8:37, 5. Baptized for the remission of sins Acts 2:38. And finally be faithfull until death Revelation 2:10 If you will obey the gospel God will add you to His church Acts 2:47 "praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." The Lords church is stated in Romans 16:16
Poor Kwako, wish Jeff could go on the Three Mormon's show.
Jeff : which church on this earth today is the church that jesus christ established ?
There can only be one. Which one is it ?
Which do you say it is and why? And why do you say only one church can be the true church of Christ? How do you define church? Christian denominations that may vary on secondary issues but all hold the same canon and profess the same core doctrines can very much be "one church". Your question seems to imply that you believe differently (I apologize if I am misinterpreting your question), and if so why do you believe differently?
Most Christians from a wide variety of church traditions that I lnow recognize they may not have 100% correct doctrine but are as close as they can with their current understanding.
This whole question turns on how you define church. So, as you ask that question, what definition of "church" are you using?
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By church im obviously NOT talking about an actual physical building. Christ did not come to earth and literally build a church with bricks and morter
The bibles says that christ came to earth and established his church. Therefore if u know ur bible then u know wot that means. U dont need me to explain it or to define the word church. U already know wot it means. I mean the same as the bible when i say church
Jehovis witnesses are christians. However who they actually beleive jehova is is completely different to who other christians beleive he is. Thats a fundamental difference
Thats wot im talking about. You have all these different churches, most of them christians who all read the same bible, who are all in conflict with each other and all contradict each other. Only one of them can be right
There are over 100 sects of christianity. How can that be ? There should only be one. U say that there are only slight differerences between them but i disagree. Theres fundamental differences. And even if there was only slight differences that wouldnt cut it with me. There shouldnt be ANY differences
If christ came and established his church then theres no need for man to make even the slightest change to it
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Which do i say it is and why ? I say its the church of jesus christ of latter day saints
Why ? 1) because what they say about the apostacy makes perfect sense. And nobody has ever even come close to proving to me that the apostacy never happend 2) revelation
@@oscarduke639 Oscar Duke Oscar Duke this is exactly why I asked you to define church. I disagree wholeheartedly that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians, nor is it a Christian church.
If you note, I said denominations that agree on the same core doctrines and have the same canon - the same set of books and documents they consider holy scripture. In the case of the Christian church, it is the series of books known commonly as the Old Testament and New Testament.
Since you refuse to define your term church, I can only reply that you assume anyone who says they are a Christian is, and that is a definition I simply disagree with at a fundamental level - not just for the terms "church" or "Christian" but for just about label or distinguishing marker. Labels are only useful if they have a criteria to indicate what is within and without the group. That is why I ask for a definition of church.
I do know what I believe the Bible means by Christ establishing his church, but I certainly don't know what you believe it means, which is why I ask.
For the record, my definition is loosely something like: "church" can mean multiple things, from local congregations, specific denominations, as well as the global assembly/community of Christian believers either alive now or throughout history. This assembly is distinguished by a common belief in basic Christian tenets including the Trinity, the salvific purpose of Jesus' death and resurrection, that this salvation is received by the believer by faith in Jesus as savior alone, the Bible (Old and New Testaments) alone are God's inspired word to the world concerning salvation and God's plan throughout history, that the salvation of a believer leads to eternal life, Jesus will return to Earth to usher in the new creation. There may be other doctrines I might consider core, but hopefully this list gives you an idea of what I mean.
With that in mind, in one way there are many churches - local congregations and different denominations - that actually composes THE church - the global assembly of believers throughout history. In that way, there may be many disagreements about certain interpretations and ideas, but they remain the same in the core beliefs. Those who step outside of those beliefs do not fall inside the Christian church. This is certainly a bit difficult because non-believers can be quite active in a local congregation or within a denomination. Which is why, also, I asked what definition you were using.
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Jehovis witnesses beleive in jesus christ therefore they are christians
I think ur taking this whole church thing too far. U are taking something very simple and making it very complicated
Jesus came and taught the TRUTH. in this modern day there are many different religions who all contradict each other. Only one of them can be telling the truth. So which one is it ? Its the one that jesus christ established as opposed to the one that man established. So which one did jesus christ establish then ?
Please dont say christianity. Cos even christians contradict each other cos theres so many sects of christianity (jehovis witnesses being one of them)
Jesus christ established his church. What did this church have. It had :
1) the truth
2) authority from god
So which church today has the truth and priesthood authority ? Only one of them can have it
I just *tried watching Kwaku’s response to this video and boy it was painful . He is an odd dude.
Kwaku responded to this video?! Sesh, talk about beating a dead horse.
If it was supposed to be moderated why didn't he say anything during the debate. Why not speak up?
Kwaku’s just a dishonest narcissist accuser. 👎🤷♂️
There is a mormon missionary that goes to our house they are good thats why my father let them come in and share about their gospel. At first its okay they say that because of joseph smith the words of god's is restored and I wasn't totally aware of that thinking how bad humanity is and as they come and go I learn new things and saying that we are saved through the atonement of christ and I totally agreed that is my basic knowledge about God. Mormons are really good their intentions is good. One time they shared something about pre-existence and they say we already exist in a spirit realm before we are born and they say jesus christ is our brother and I said okay and then after we are spiritual siblings and satan also is our spiritual siblings and make my fundamental knowledge wrong and made me confused. And because I read again the bible I already done understanding bible through clips and animations but also reading but more on watching animation. They are so good and there's one time that I was talking about someone who told me that mormons believe that they will be god someday and I told them its not right ? Asking them and I ask them like laughing expecting that they would agree to what I've said. Because of that it triggers me to read the bible again.
Isaiah 43:10
John 1
1 John 5:7
Titus 3:5
John 1:18
Galatians 1:6-9
Ecclesiastes 9:5
Ephesians 2:8-9
Matthew 24:35
This verses is enough to say what is god and what kind of god he is.
His words is not restored for it did not come to pass and if they say that it wasn't translated correctly then where is it?
There is a distinction between creator and creation we will never be god someday for god exist from eternity to eternity. I don't want them to be offended because they have good intentions and yet they are mormons because they are born as mormon and dont have knowledge about the bible and saying that bible wasnt all true. I want to helo this mormon missionary they can't answer my questions yes it is true that not all can be answered but saying that the book of mormon is not contradictory to the bible. They believed in the bible and the book of mormon claimed that it was the most accurate above the earth. My date or what they goal was june 22 2019 but I tell them I'm not ready and still they continued to be here for me it is okay I want to help them I always attend their church everysunday and all of them are friendly and approachable. Please give me some advice
Maybe you could ask if they would study the new testament with you. You could show them those verses and help them see Jesus' gospel is one of grace not works and that there is assurance of salvation by believing in Christ alone.
I told them that I will read the book of mormon if they will also read the new testament and they agree and they told me they will also share their insights. I hope that the words will speak to them. Thank You!
@@iangienomillar8093 that's great!! I pray too that through the words of the New Testament the Holy Spirit will reveal God's grace and forgiveness of sin through faith in the true Jesus Christ!!
Todays wtf? is from Proverbs 26
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he feel wise in his own conceit.
With a fool, you lose either way.
I had been dating an LDS gal for some time and have researched their religion for years. Just a few thoughts...LDS people need to understand the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ. They only partly understand one side of the atonement; that Jesus died for their sins, but have NO IDEA of the other side of what Jesus did FOR US. If they can understand that, then all their worthiness, works, obedience to laws and ordinances melt like butter. Second, I love you Jeff and James, but there was a large portion of the debate, if I remember correctly, where you got into the weeds concerning predestination and the trinity which won't speak to a latter day saint AT ALL. You might as well be speaking a foreign language to them. Their narrative has been pounded into their head of what they are supposed to believe, not what scripture teaches. It's why even the most educated LDS can't even come close to seeing that their own Book of Mormon teaches that their is ONE GOD (modalism) and that Joseph started teaching something completely contrary to what their own scriptures teach.
But please keep up the outreach to the mormons. They need to hear the love of Christ and what he did for them!
Well I’d venture to guess if she has been dating you, a non-member, for a significant amount of time, she isn’t a particularly invested member and probably doesn’t know very much about the scriptures and doctrine. There’s plenty of Christians that are like that as well.
Ryan Johnson - Ryan, thank you for your comment. There is a past with her, a divorce and other family ties to the church, but she is straddling many fences trying to make it fit in her life. She knows a lot of doctrine and is fairly well read but not well enough. For if she knew the history and followed the theological thread on a timeline there would be serious problems for her worldview. Obviously, I have issues as well as a follower of Christ and is why our relationship won’t last much longer. In the LDS mind, the church MUST be true so the mental gymnastics are constantly going off to make everything fit. Only time will tell. Having said all that she is actually a gospel doctrine teacher so as of late last year and this year she has been studying the Bible but constantly misses the theological obvious doctrines which conflict with hers. It’s reading with rose colored glasses for sure.
What made you guys choose to put the lofi music in the video?
I'm not hating on it, just wondering what spurred on the creative decision?
What's up with the annoying music in the background? Stop it please.
Religious debates are as much about scriptural interpretation as they are about anything. I didn’t think 2 on 1 wasn’t fair, but he agreed. Kwaku, IMO, wasn’t prepared. But I get why Jeff brought James White on, Jeff can’t come close to James on the epic resource James is. Although I’ve read where James has incriminated himself on sola scriptoria. I guess he can’t pretend to be right all the time by flooding his combatants with massive volumes of needless information and constant side-tracking. I’d love to se Jeff talk to a couple more suitable opponents by himself with at least one of them being at least as well versed as James White.
Slander can be addressed by a civil court lawsuit if no corrections in error are taken...
The woman that gets the abortion isn't the murder but a very culpable accomplice. What does scripture say about accomplices?
"Lying for the Lord" is a thing for Mormons.
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I can't imagine being a believer in a religion from the mouth of a 14 year old boy who later couldn't keep himself out of jail (repeatedly) through his own incorrugible nature...
Thanks to The Ninja, the Bear and the Girl for responding in such a firm, forthright and genuine way to that young man. Me thinks he doth protest too much. Perhaps he is under a great deal of conviction by the Holy Spirit to repent and be saved on account of your kindness AND your honest, loving, firm rebuke. Be blessed my brothers and sister. Coram Deo!
2 things: if you guys say you want kwaku to stick to Theology...perhaps do the same. 2. Some of the details could have been simple mistakes on Kwaku's part.
My problem with both Kwaku and ya’lls lines of thinking is that they are both backed up with with fallacy… kwaku definitely quotes scriptures out of context… but when he points out gaps in your definition of the trinity, you simply adjust definitions of words in order to redefine things in a way that covers up the hole in the logic.
The problem with mainstream religions is that everyone of them think that they are right, especially with the Christian mainstream religion where you have many different divisions amongst its faith now. I don't know how it got that way, but i'd imagine that it wasn't Jesus's vision to have his name being represented in this manner and have all this infighting take place for centuries on who is more right.
So in the attitude of “honest representation” should we change the debate name to “Intense debate with a Latter Day Saint?” Since they are no longer Mormons?
That's a good question, because the name "Latter Day Saint" itself is a misrepresentation. "Saint" refers to Christians, and Mormons/LDS aren't Christians.
@@KEP1983 Amen to that!
Keith P Technically that is true, but as a title in respect to what they referred to themselves as, even though it’s not true, should we still represent them accurately by calling them but they call them selves. Like we call Muslims, Or Jehovah’s Witnesses. We know that they are not really Jehovah’s witnesses, but we still give them their representation because that is what they Call them selves.
I don't believe it's necessary for those that are not LDS to change the way we refer to the Mormon church. Mr. Nelson, the church president has commanded members of his church to use the official name, however, as I am not a member of that church, I am not subject to the rules or regulations set forth by any church president.
Danielle Arnett thanks for sharing your opinion Danielle :)
You guys should have posted the email on the screen (blocking out part of the email) so peopel can't come back and say "that's not what the email said."
You have to be super careful with the "2-3 witnesses" rule when an accusation is made against an Elder, otherwise you end up with a mess like the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Look for "My LAST response to Jeff Durbin & Mr. James White (part 2)" in youtube and have a different perspective.
I’m just watching all these videos on these exchanges between both groups, and the only conclusion I can draw is he is still a child in some ways and lacks experience, which lends to his overall lack of integrity. If he was a grown man, he’d have addressed this on air on the spot. Instead, he acted like he was being above board, but returned to his safe space among his viewership to slander and whine. These are the actions of a child and a liar. It’s sad, because he had represented himself decently at first. I’m neither Calvinist or Mormon, but just an obvious observation that this man suffers from two diseases - Youthful inexperience and feminist victimhood instilled in the culture of this generation.
My only issue with what y’all said today really isn’t an issue. However, I think it should be voiced. When Kwaku introduced himself on FB Messenger, and said “Hey I’m Kwaku from the 3 Mormons.” He was most likely referencing something that y’all would know him from. It’s not that big of a deal but, you know he is going to mention it in his response.
Gentleman Broncos my mother bought me randomly and I was ungrateful. Watched it and loved it. Felt bad for being a brat
Ray Comfort used this in one of his videos, that's where I saw it first :O