First off, there’s no need to remove the dogbone. Simply remove the stock bolt, lubricate the new insert preferably with a silicone spray. Place insert in cut outs, use a small jack if need be to get it all the way in. The scissor jack works perfectly. Make sure you centering washer is most towards the insert, then the big washer followed by the bolt. Don't forget to torque it.
DO NOT REMOVE THE BOLTS FIRST, IT WILL PUSH THE BACK OF THE BUSHING OUT WHEN YOU SLIDE THE INSERT IN, AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT YOUR BOLT IN OR POSSIBLY CROSS THREAD IT. I wasted 3 hours trying to get it back in when I realized what happened. All you need to do is; loosen the big bolt, no need to take the two 16mm or even remove the dogbone, grease everything up, slide in the insert in, if you're having trouble getting it all the way in use a jack to press it in, be careful not to lift the car off the jackstands, now pull the oem bolt out as quick as you can and put the new bolt in and torque it down properly. ecs would you please consider redoing this video because it's very incorrect. it took me hours to do a job that should have taken minutes because i followed this guide, and I'm not the only one, there's tons of people on the forums having trouble because they followed your guide.
Nick Benson Photography I ran into this problem too when I was using rhino ramps. I basically used a mallet hammer and pushed the dog bone towards the back of the car until the bolt holes lined up and screw the bolt in at the same time until it catches threads. But it's worth the upgrade I have no wheel hops and I just did a crazy burn out lol
Hey THANKS SOOOOO MUCH !!! Ik it's a old comment but thanks I liget was undrr the car in the rain trying to get that bolt in and I hate this video for raping me to hard.
I just did mine today with only plastic ramps on teh front tires. 1. Spray the dogbone bushing with soapy water to loosen dirt 2. Coat the bushing with dry lubricant or silicone 3. insert the bushing with more meat side on it first 4. Then feed the 2 prongs 5. 9/10 the prongs will not go all the way in 6. Spray more lubricant on the dogbone hole where the 2 prongs show up 7. Insert the washer and bolt with the kit and tightening it will force the prongs in place. 8. Remove the bolt so the rubber can re settle and to add loctite 9. Install bolt at 74lbs ft + 1/4 turn
Test drove it and if feels amazing. No noise or ride issues for me but a very solid shift feel. For the 6 speed manual MKV GTI this is a great upgrade. Now if I can only ease my fears about the placement of that washer and how it may effect the longevity of the part.
Don't use grease! The only reason people are beating and/or jacking the bushing into place is because there is no outlet at the top of the bushing to let the grease out, so you are trying to compress grease, which doesn't work too well. What I did was spray the bushing insert and the holes in the existing bushing with silicone spray and it just slid right into place with very little effort. No mallet or jack was required! Aside from a bit more vibration at idle in gear (mine is DSG) as soon as I get rolling it smooths right out and best of all got rid of the wheel shimmy I used to get accelerating through 60 - 80 mph since this maintains driveline alignment under acceleration MUCH better than stock on my 2010 GTI.
Upon install, when tightening the ECS bolt there’s still a 1/4” gap between the steel ECS plate and the ECS rubber piece. Will not tighten further. Anyone else experience this? Should I use the original bolt instead??
My center bolt is super hard I'm using a half inch wrench and a long tube and it's still super hard to remove. When it felt like it finally broke loose it felt like the rubber on the inside moves as I loosen the boot. I don't know how to explain it but something is fucked up i think I'm gonna need to get the whole new bushing and dog bone since I'm stage 2 going 2 plus.
The second 16mm bolt that you remove from the black bracket going through the bracket and the dog bone? What bolt is it size, diameter etc. mine has come out while driving and I need to find a replacement? TIA
Just installed this insert and VF pendulum mount from ECS. Where did you put the washer on the VF pendulum mount on the middle bold? Between the pendulum and the tranny or between the two pieces of the pendulum? It only came with one washer for this spot, I put it between the transmission and the pendulum though I worry if I got it wrong I will cause premature wear.
Great product! I used just a little valvoline general purpose auto grease and it slid right in. I would definitely use just a small amount of grease because without it the insert won't slide all the way in and you wont be able to get the bolt to thread in. There is much less wheel hop and even less torque steer! Great product guys!
I have the same one from ECS, but black. Do you really have to remove the dogbone? I didn't remove mine and the insert still went in smoothly with some KY lube.
Does this enhance the existing bushing or does it also 'repair' the bushing. The rubber on mine is broken at the 2 common sides and this would be an 'easy fix' vs pressing in a new bushing. 2006 Jetta MKV TDI Manual Tranny. Thanks.
While I am driving 20-30 mph, whenever I release accelerator or press sudden on accelerator , I feel heavy bumpy feeling from Engine, I checked all of my mounts with my Mechanics , no mounts are damaged. Could this one help that movement?
I changed the dogbone mount bush.no difference. I changed the gear cable bushes for solid ones,no difference. I have now realised it is the forward/backward gear change cable.
Front of the dog bone mount doesn't need to be removed for installation. Just remove lower bush bolt and slide in after market bush using slight lube not necessary for heavy greasing. Slide in when pushed in with hand no mallet needed . Don't see what this chap is hitting ? Instalation time 1 min .
I have a higher mileage Gti and I'm not sure if my dogbone was wore out some what, or what the issue was. however mine was a 20 min install with a bit of cursing. I ended up using the only lube I could find which was Wd-40. It worked but was a pain.
Do check whether you have the older style of insert or the newer style. But aside from that yes it would fit. Powerflex for example sell 2 kits, one for the older style and one for the newer style. The mounts are the same across all cars from the 1.4 Golf to the 3.2 V6 one - Which of course shares the same parts as the A3.
Did my dog mound in a matter of about 10 minutes max thats getting the car on the rack install and pulling the car out of the shop Didn't use grees or remove the bone just used calico jube poped er in there out the bolt tightened nit down and that was it
That's nice ECS and I appreciate that but, I installed this on my car and you didn't answer my question. At least me tell how often I should crawl under there and take a look at it.
Your still braying the hell out of the insertI was expecting this to be removed by now but as it hasn't Id like to warn anyone watching to NOT follow these instructionsNo mallet neededToooooo much greaseBad fit I suspect its the wrong insert as stated previouslyRamp is not needed a trolley and a pair of axle stands will sufficeNo need to remove the dog bone and 2 bolts securing itThis could be made to look so easy Finally That mallet Id put it on ebay maybe find a good home for it
Not convinced that is a perfect fit I'm surprised to see you beating the bush with a mallet Might as well complain about the amount of grease you have used while I'm here I have fitted two of these without a mallet One in a TDI and one in a GTI mk5 golf Both just slotted into place What went wrong?
you are filling the holes that let the dogbone moves....now is like have soldering the 2 sections without retain the impact. There are things to do and things not to do.
This is beyond useless. NO NEED for grease, NO NEED to remove dog bone mount and no need to leave a customer with a greasy mess and ruined gearbox insert.
At 1:50, notice how when you loosened the bolt, how the dog bone is resting against the bottom of the subframe opening hole. Well my car is like this all the time. What does this mean? Is something majorly bent somewhere? Please dont tell me something scary!
26mm bolt, holy f%^&$ that's an inch diameter. Plus you'll need a much bigger wrench &/or socket! As a general tip, if you don't like cross-threading fasteners, do NOT tighten any fastener until ALL fasteners are started by hand. Even fighting a rubber mount isn't worth it. Second: put some damn Never Seize on a steel bolt going into aluminum! This vid goes in the "Amateur Hour" bin. I would be embarrassed if I owned ECS, or had anything to do with this vid. But, WTF do I know, I've only been turning wrenches, running shops and racing since the '60's. I still fix my own damn cars, and I'm an old fart. This video does NOT make me want to immediately go to ECS to order the parts I need for dog bone R&R I gotta do on the wife's TDI, THAT is certain. (all I could hear in my head as he beat on the greasy urethane was, 'The bigger the gob, the better the job!') LOL GeoD
Yep, watched this video and totally wasted several hours trying to get the polyurethane bushing in after I had removed the bolts and the dog bone. ECS you need to replace this video. What a shit show you caused. The video shows the dogbone being removed at 1:29 mark and then the guys putting the poly bushing in with the dogbone cleared attached/reinstalled at the 2:17 mark. I expected more brains from ECS Tuning.
On cars, a "full" turn is 180 degrees, right ? Because you said +90 degrees and you did mathematically 45 ... So "full" should mean "from side to side"
First off, there’s no need to remove the dogbone. Simply remove the stock bolt, lubricate the new insert preferably with a silicone spray. Place insert in cut outs, use a small jack if need be to get it all the way in. The scissor jack works perfectly. Make sure you centering washer is most towards the insert, then the big washer followed by the bolt. Don't forget to torque it.
Можно каталожный номер втулки.
What spray do you recommend
@@MrSweeden1 Silicone
This is literally one of the hokiest, most shadetree mechanic videos I've ever seen from a "professional" outlet. At least you gave the torques.
DO NOT REMOVE THE BOLTS FIRST, IT WILL PUSH THE BACK OF THE BUSHING OUT WHEN YOU SLIDE THE INSERT IN, AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT YOUR BOLT IN OR POSSIBLY CROSS THREAD IT. I wasted 3 hours trying to get it back in when I realized what happened.
All you need to do is;
loosen the big bolt, no need to take the two 16mm or even remove the dogbone,
grease everything up,
slide in the insert in, if you're having trouble getting it all the way in use a jack to press it in, be careful not to lift the car off the jackstands,
now pull the oem bolt out as quick as you can and put the new bolt in and torque it down properly.
ecs would you please consider redoing this video because it's very incorrect. it took me hours to do a job that should have taken minutes because i followed this guide, and I'm not the only one, there's tons of people on the forums having trouble because they followed your guide.
I just ran into this exact problem, wish I read your comment first. How did you align the back end of the bushing back up?
Nick Benson Photography I ran into this problem too when I was using rhino ramps. I basically used a mallet hammer and pushed the dog bone towards the back of the car until the bolt holes lined up and screw the bolt in at the same time until it catches threads. But it's worth the upgrade I have no wheel hops and I just did a crazy burn out lol
So glad I stumbled on to this! I bought the 034 billet insert... how should I go about installing this on rhino ramps?? Much appreciated guys!
Hey THANKS SOOOOO MUCH !!! Ik it's a old comment but thanks I liget was undrr the car in the rain trying to get that bolt in and I hate this video for raping me to hard.
Same
I just did mine today with only plastic ramps on teh front tires.
1. Spray the dogbone bushing with soapy water to loosen dirt
2. Coat the bushing with dry lubricant or silicone
3. insert the bushing with more meat side on it first
4. Then feed the 2 prongs
5. 9/10 the prongs will not go all the way in
6. Spray more lubricant on the dogbone hole where the 2 prongs show up
7. Insert the washer and bolt with the kit and tightening it will force the prongs in place.
8. Remove the bolt so the rubber can re settle and to add loctite
9. Install bolt at 74lbs ft + 1/4 turn
Test drove it and if feels amazing. No noise or ride issues for me but a very solid shift feel. For the 6 speed manual MKV GTI this is a great upgrade. Now if I can only ease my fears about the placement of that washer and how it may effect the longevity of the part.
Don't use grease! The only reason people are beating and/or jacking the bushing into place is because there is no outlet at the top of the bushing to let the grease out, so you are trying to compress grease, which doesn't work too well. What I did was spray the bushing insert and the holes in the existing bushing with silicone spray and it just slid right into place with very little effort. No mallet or jack was required! Aside from a bit more vibration at idle in gear (mine is DSG) as soon as I get rolling it smooths right out and best of all got rid of the wheel shimmy I used to get accelerating through 60 - 80 mph since this maintains driveline alignment under acceleration MUCH better than stock on my 2010 GTI.
I’m not feeling this vibration. Is this something that will fade away over time?
I have a last model MKV (2009) and I couldn't find the dogbone bushing. On the bright side, I have a dogbone mount insert for sale.
Hi what's the one it goes into called is there a video for that?
Upon install, when tightening the ECS bolt there’s still a 1/4” gap between the steel ECS plate and the ECS rubber piece. Will not tighten further. Anyone else experience this? Should I use the original bolt instead??
My center bolt is super hard I'm using a half inch wrench and a long tube and it's still super hard to remove. When it felt like it finally broke loose it felt like the rubber on the inside moves as I loosen the boot. I don't know how to explain it but something is fucked up i think I'm gonna need to get the whole new bushing and dog bone since I'm stage 2 going 2 plus.
when referring to smoother shifts - does this affect both manual and DSG trans ?
Will this be the same procedure on a B6 Passat?
does this stop gearbox crunching from 1st to 2nd - happens on a hot gearbox Audi A3 1.9 Tdi SE 2007
do you have to take the mount out fully to just install the insert?
I bought the bushing kit "wheel hop kit " any tips on install ?
The second 16mm bolt that you remove from the black bracket going through the bracket and the dog bone? What bolt is it size, diameter etc. mine has come out while driving and I need to find a replacement? TIA
Just installed this insert and VF pendulum mount from ECS.
Where did you put the washer on the VF pendulum mount on the middle bold? Between the pendulum and the tranny or between the two pieces of the pendulum?
It only came with one washer for this spot, I put it between the transmission and the pendulum though I worry if I got it wrong I will cause premature wear.
is this the same for the mkv jetta?
There isn’t space in the bushing for the two red pins of the red dog bone mount insert... any ideas y’all?
Great product! I used just a little valvoline general purpose auto grease and it slid right in. I would definitely use just a small amount of grease because without it the insert won't slide all the way in and you wont be able to get the bolt to thread in. There is much less wheel hop and even less torque steer! Great product guys!
I have the same one from ECS, but black. Do you really have to remove the dogbone? I didn't remove mine and the insert still went in smoothly with some KY lube.
Campatible with Audi a3 2.0 tdi DSG, 2006? Looks the same...
Does this enhance the existing bushing or does it also 'repair' the bushing. The rubber on mine is broken at the 2 common sides and this would be an 'easy fix' vs pressing in a new bushing. 2006 Jetta MKV TDI Manual Tranny. Thanks.
Suneel replace bush with oem part mate not that expensive from TPS
if the factory mount is not in very good condition I must first replace it and then put this kit.
thanks.
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Everybody here take a look at the BFI video its much easier then this video shows
should i buy it ????
Dont use greass. i used spray silicone lube and inside the mount and on the bushing and it sent without having to use a rubber mallet.
grease*
While I am driving 20-30 mph, whenever I release accelerator or press sudden on accelerator , I feel heavy bumpy feeling from Engine, I checked all of my mounts with my Mechanics , no mounts are damaged. Could this one help that movement?
There are 2 mounts on the plate the dog bone goes into upper one could be damaged or your trans bushings are bad or your trans is shot
I have a passat B6 TFSi. Under hard acceleration I struggle to find 2nd and 4th gears,would a worn dogbone mount cause these symptoms?
***** Today I tried a quick gear change but at normal road speeds,just the same,missed the gear.
I changed the dogbone mount bush.no difference.
I changed the gear cable bushes for solid ones,no difference.
I have now realised it is the forward/backward gear change cable.
What does a dogbone do?..
can this be done without removing the dogbone?
Zadiel Vazquez
Yes, this guy wasted alot of people's time and effort:,
@romeo9229
it doesn't matter what year, this mount fits the MK5 GTI and the MK6 GTI
Does anyone know the torque specs for dogbone mount for 2011 VW Jetta TDI 2.0 by chance?
Til it’s tight + quarter turn is what I do lol never had one come loose
The grease will soften the OEM rubber and after a while you will have to replace the mount .... Use silicone lube or soap...
Indeed regular grease destroys rubber.
yep oil kills the oem stuff, thats normally why you replace them in the first place haha
ECS are shade tree i think I can do it mechanics
Front of the dog bone mount doesn't need to be removed for installation. Just remove lower bush bolt and slide in after market bush using slight lube not necessary for heavy greasing. Slide in when pushed in with hand no mallet needed . Don't see what this chap is hitting ? Instalation time 1 min .
I have a higher mileage Gti and I'm not sure if my dogbone was wore out some what, or what the issue was.
however mine was a 20 min install with a bit of cursing. I ended up using the only lube I could find which was Wd-40.
It worked but was a pain.
***** I used a floor jack. It worked ok, it came up at a angle so it was alright a regular hydraulic jack that goes straight up would've been better
Did I miss it or was there no mention of replacing the stretch bolts?
Yes came with a new bolt.
yeah that looks real good. red piece not fitting and mashing it in with a mallet
De la graisse sur un silent bloc 😳🤣🤣🤣 bravo champion 🙄🙄
so i am wondering how many hour needed for the installation on this thru the expert
30 minutes max if you know what your doing
Faster than a oil change
Do check whether you have the older style of insert or the newer style. But aside from that yes it would fit. Powerflex for example sell 2 kits, one for the older style and one for the newer style.
The mounts are the same across all cars from the 1.4 Golf to the 3.2 V6 one - Which of course shares the same parts as the A3.
Did my dog mound in a matter of about 10 minutes max thats getting the car on the rack install and pulling the car out of the shop
Didn't use grees or remove the bone just used calico jube poped er in there out the bolt tightened nit down and that was it
@KA3AXCTAH2030 no, you don't and isn't KY water based? IDK if that's the best thing for metal
a rear front pendulum ? thank you 🙏
What is the life span of this part?
That's nice ECS and I appreciate that but, I installed this on my car and you didn't answer my question. At least me tell how often I should crawl under there and take a look at it.
So many things wrong with this video, why did you take the dogbone out and why did you put grease on the insert?
Good idea👍
I think I'll just make this myself from crap lying around and make my day brighter... ohh fu%¢ it's bright already ! 😎😅
Your still braying the hell out of the insertI was expecting this to be removed by now but as it hasn't Id like to warn anyone watching to NOT follow these instructionsNo mallet neededToooooo much greaseBad fit I suspect its the wrong insert as stated previouslyRamp is not needed a trolley and a pair of axle stands will sufficeNo need to remove the dog bone and 2 bolts securing itThis could be made to look so easy Finally That mallet Id put it on ebay maybe find a good home for it
so I can't just put the car on ramps and do the work? front wheels have to be on air? thanks
Two left hands. :)
Just installed one of these, honestly I can't tell a difference.
That bushing got violated.
no grease on rubber. silicone or at least white lithium grease
Not convinced that is a perfect fit I'm surprised to see you beating the bush with a mallet Might as well complain about the amount of grease you have used while I'm here I have fitted two of these without a mallet One in a TDI and one in a GTI mk5 golf Both just slotted into place What went wrong?
Mine didn't go on that easy it actually broke
you are filling the holes that let the dogbone moves....now is like have soldering the 2 sections without retain the impact. There are things to do and things not to do.
This is beyond useless. NO NEED for grease, NO NEED to remove dog bone mount and no need to leave a customer with a greasy mess and ruined gearbox insert.
At 1:50, notice how when you loosened the bolt, how the dog bone is resting against the bottom of the subframe opening hole. Well my car is like this all the time. What does this mean? Is something majorly bent somewhere? Please dont tell me something scary!
Might mean your dogbone bushing is blown out! It's also worth checking your engine and trans mounts.
ECS Tuning Cool deal. Thanks!
and those are not 90 degrees!! are 45 at most!
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I don't understand why it's even torque rating + 90 degrees... Why not just tightened to a slightly higher torque rating and be done with it?
@@Planehazza Google torque to yield
Yeah! Demonstration pourposes, and wrong pins instalation.
Then Mallet..małet and nothing! wrong install insert !!
+s6maslon I noticed that as well. Just installed this today in my mkv gti. went in just fine without much beating.
+whirledpeaz1 I think better to use is TALKUM - MAGNESIUM powder .. nothing stick to it, it glide perfect and have no issue with gummies..
a little nitpicking, but that is not a 21mm bolt, it's a 14mm bolt you are using a 21mm socket on.
After reading the comments I understand why this video has so many dislikes..
That OEM bushing looks weak
Holy continuity errors, Batman!
There's no fucking way you need that much grease😂😂😂
I cant believe this is still giving BAD advice Just remove it TOTAL FAIL
He didn't use the wrenches and you don't need them either. Idk why it says you need them in the video. Lol
Why not change the bush, this is just masking a problem
Because you have to remove the subframe to do that.
Those are combination wrenches btw....
Well that mallet is pretty much useless. Lol.
26mm bolt, holy f%^&$ that's an inch diameter. Plus you'll need a much bigger wrench &/or socket!
As a general tip, if you don't like cross-threading fasteners, do NOT tighten any fastener until ALL fasteners are started by hand. Even fighting a rubber mount isn't worth it.
Second: put some damn Never Seize on a steel bolt going into aluminum!
This vid goes in the "Amateur Hour" bin. I would be embarrassed if I owned ECS, or had anything to do with this vid.
But, WTF do I know, I've only been turning wrenches, running shops and racing since the '60's. I still fix my own damn cars, and I'm an old fart.
This video does NOT make me want to immediately go to ECS to order the parts I need for dog bone R&R I gotta do on the wife's TDI, THAT is certain.
(all I could hear in my head as he beat on the greasy urethane was, 'The bigger the gob, the better the job!') LOL
GeoD
Yep, watched this video and totally wasted several hours trying to get the polyurethane bushing in after I had removed the bolts and the dog bone. ECS you need to replace this video. What a shit show you caused. The video shows the dogbone being removed at 1:29 mark and then the guys putting the poly bushing in with the dogbone cleared attached/reinstalled at the 2:17 mark. I expected more brains from ECS Tuning.
On cars, a "full" turn is 180 degrees, right ? Because you said +90 degrees and you did mathematically 45 ...
So "full" should mean "from side to side"
Full turn is 360°
Seriously this is the complete wrong way to do this job
Piece of junk. Mine last 4 months before I just exploded tonight on a stock motor. Pretty pathetic you get what you pay for.
BFI is way better, ECS put there logo on other companies parts, they sell you parts they don't even have on stock. Thumbs down
SUCH A LAME VIDEO 😅😅😅