@@dkelrk1 should be two per shield segment, so for the setup at the beginning of the video would be eight in total. at each shield segment, one to turn on when an enemy is detected within a given bearing and one to turn off when no enemy is deteced within the bearing range.
This is awesome. Tricks and tips with breadboard. I would like to see more breadboard. I'm more into hovercraft so maybe projectile avoidance up and down, strafe left or right and other erratic movement to avoid getting hit while still staying on target.
It's super simple, honestly. Just smack some bread on your ship and you're no longer are dumping 10k~~ power on your battleship to useless components lol.
Can you turn on a shield generator when a munitions or laser warner detects something via ACB? It would be even nicer if the shields only turned on where shells or lasers are actually incoming and only close to that spot. That would be a more distributed and robust aproach to shield control and would also handle enemies from all angles.
Nah, it does not work. I thought ACBs could read stats from blocks around it, kinda how it can control blocks in a radius, but it cant even detect if APS shells are incoming. Only CRAM, missiles and lasers on the whole ship or turret. Also I did not know about shield spool up.
@@dr.robertnick9599 Place Shield on Two Axis turret controlled by CIWS controller and, hook APS block to read turret activity, and then turret get active (start moving) activate shields on the the turret, and then turret go's idle to deactivate shields. Simple
You can set up a projectile avoidance AI routine, and highjack it to output projectile orientation into an auxilery drive. To avoid shield spool up time, you can low power the shields until it spots something.
What if just placing shields on 2 axis turrets and let them be controlled by weapon controller ? multiple enemies ? Connect Shield Turrets to different AI's, you have 1 to 10 for a REASON !!!
20k Power is nothing much, a good old 5x5x5 3-2 Turbocharger gets 4160 so that's 125 Volume (including the fuel tanks) times 5 equals 625 Volume Engine, max. With a combined demand of 36-38 MpS. There is sooo much space, it really shouldn't be a problem. But I see the point of the reactive shielding. Personally I don't like them very much, because nowadays the shield gen needs time to spin up the shield. Not so much on low shielding, but a lot on high shielding. 10 Seconds spin up? Something like that. Against Bombers or really fast gunships, that is a problem.
Spool up can easily be dealt with if you just either: 1. Use the enemy's velocity to determine where it'll be next and activate those shields early or 2. Widen the thresholds for the shields so that they turn on earlier. The entire idea is that this is used for battleship dueling; keep the side that is under fire on and the side that isn't off. That power isn't essential to save, but if we're saving 10k of power that can go into rail draw and increase our DPS instead of being wasted on nothing.
@@Brenzo44 if you put both solutions to use that should work just fine, that's true. There should be some kind of backup power source for the times when both sides are on, for whatever reasons. Shouldn't happen too often, but I wouldn't risk shield failure. How about lowering the drive to 1 instead of completely turning them off? That way you could use the decaying left overdrive and it would already lower the power cost dramatically. What kind of shield drive do you plan to use?
@@Brenzo44 Power source, a source of power on your vehicle. Maybe power provider I'd a better word. Engines for example. You'll have varying power demand, and for that you'll need to be able to provide enough power for the peaks. But for efficiency sake, you probably don't want a stable power output to match that. The most intuitive option is an electric motor. It provides an estimated 80 power per volume. The second option is to go for an engine that only runs if the other sources are exhausted. That would go for 35 power per volume, but comes with a third of the price of the electric engine + batteries. Anyways, if you use batteries for railguns it's most likely more efficient to go for the electric engine. I hope I don't sound condescending, I'm just spewing ideas out there because non of my friends understand what I'm doing in ftD :(
I don't recommend this strategy, it won't work when there is more than 1 enemy. You could detect multiple enemies by detecting changes in the rotation of rotation-limited turrets though.
The easier solution is to mount the projector on a turret and have it aim at the primary target. No breadboard required. Just a turret and a controller connected to the primary targeting AI.
I used to do this with ACBs, it's nice this can be done in breadboard in a single block
How many acbs do you need to implement something like this? If you dont mind me asking.
@@dkelrk1 should be two per shield segment, so for the setup at the beginning of the video would be eight in total. at each shield segment, one to turn on when an enemy is detected within a given bearing and one to turn off when no enemy is deteced within the bearing range.
This is awesome. Tricks and tips with breadboard. I would like to see more breadboard. I'm more into hovercraft so maybe projectile avoidance up and down, strafe left or right and other erratic movement to avoid getting hit while still staying on target.
Sure could do all that with some time. I have some mild passive projectile avoidance in my tiltjet video
@@Brenzo44 Great. I would suggest turning down your background music a little. This one was about right but your early videos it was too loud.
Gotcha. Been slowly working it down to a reasonable level but I don't have a permanent mic setup yet, so my audio is a bit...rollercoaster-y.
@@Brenzo44 It's all good. I like your videos. Good job.
I did something like that but for some reason the craft is rendered unconcious after it defeats an enemy. If it can defeat any that is.
You can set up an acb to trigger the shield on when missiles or crams get close to it, just shove it behind the shield
Fyi your video was recommended to me! Good work
Good idea
That's pretty amazing.
It's super simple, honestly. Just smack some bread on your ship and you're no longer are dumping 10k~~ power on your battleship to useless components lol.
Very cool tutorial!
i like it. however you can do all of this with a single maths evaluator set to "if(a-179.9,10,0)"
brilliant idea
Can you turn on a shield generator when a munitions or laser warner detects something via ACB? It would be even nicer if the shields only turned on where shells or lasers are actually incoming and only close to that spot. That would be a more distributed and robust aproach to shield control and would also handle enemies from all angles.
Unsure, but probably would suck due to shield spool up.
Nah, it does not work. I thought ACBs could read stats from blocks around it, kinda how it can control blocks in a radius, but it cant even detect if APS shells are incoming. Only CRAM, missiles and lasers on the whole ship or turret. Also I did not know about shield spool up.
@@dr.robertnick9599
Place Shield on Two Axis turret controlled by CIWS controller and, hook APS block to read turret activity, and then turret get active (start moving) activate shields on the the turret, and then turret go's idle to deactivate shields. Simple
CIWS can’t track APS
You can set up a projectile avoidance AI routine, and highjack it to output projectile orientation into an auxilery drive.
To avoid shield spool up time, you can low power the shields until it spots something.
Looks alright, but fight against multiple opponents and it is no longer effective. Perhaps enable all the shields if multiple enemies are spotted.
That would be the idea. This is going into the Ragnarok which is going to be dueling 1v1.
What if just placing shields on 2 axis turrets and let them be controlled by weapon controller ? multiple enemies ? Connect Shield Turrets to different AI's, you have 1 to 10 for a REASON !!!
That doesn't fix the issue of shields on the wrong side of your broadsider being on when you're not using them.
This could be done with acbs by using the enemy bearing settings.
The whole point of doing it with bread is to take up less space and be more intuitive.
20k Power is nothing much, a good old 5x5x5 3-2 Turbocharger gets 4160 so that's 125 Volume (including the fuel tanks) times 5 equals 625 Volume Engine, max. With a combined demand of 36-38 MpS. There is sooo much space, it really shouldn't be a problem.
But I see the point of the reactive shielding. Personally I don't like them very much, because nowadays the shield gen needs time to spin up the shield. Not so much on low shielding, but a lot on high shielding. 10 Seconds spin up? Something like that. Against Bombers or really fast gunships, that is a problem.
Spool up can easily be dealt with if you just either: 1. Use the enemy's velocity to determine where it'll be next and activate those shields early or 2. Widen the thresholds for the shields so that they turn on earlier.
The entire idea is that this is used for battleship dueling; keep the side that is under fire on and the side that isn't off. That power isn't essential to save, but if we're saving 10k of power that can go into rail draw and increase our DPS instead of being wasted on nothing.
@@Brenzo44 if you put both solutions to use that should work just fine, that's true.
There should be some kind of backup power source for the times when both sides are on, for whatever reasons. Shouldn't happen too often, but I wouldn't risk shield failure.
How about lowering the drive to 1 instead of completely turning them off? That way you could use the decaying left overdrive and it would already lower the power cost dramatically. What kind of shield drive do you plan to use?
That could possibly work, yes. And what do you mean? Power source? Thats what the next video is about, if thats what you mean
@@Brenzo44 Power source, a source of power on your vehicle. Maybe power provider I'd a better word. Engines for example. You'll have varying power demand, and for that you'll need to be able to provide enough power for the peaks. But for efficiency sake, you probably don't want a stable power output to match that. The most intuitive option is an electric motor. It provides an estimated 80 power per volume. The second option is to go for an engine that only runs if the other sources are exhausted. That would go for 35 power per volume, but comes with a third of the price of the electric engine + batteries.
Anyways, if you use batteries for railguns it's most likely more efficient to go for the electric engine.
I hope I don't sound condescending, I'm just spewing ideas out there because non of my friends understand what I'm doing in ftD :(
I don't recommend this strategy, it won't work when there is more than 1 enemy. You could detect multiple enemies by detecting changes in the rotation of rotation-limited turrets though.
It's meant for a 1v1'ing battleship.
@@Brenzo44question, if there is an enemy on both sides of the ship both the port and starboard shields will be on?
@@Cooldude-ko7psA breadboard can only read your PRIMARY target. All other enemies are unknown.
@@Mernom fuck
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The easier solution is to mount the projector on a turret and have it aim at the primary target. No breadboard required. Just a turret and a controller connected to the primary targeting AI.