THE TANK BUFFS ARE HERE!!! | Overwatch 2 Midseason Patch Notes
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Reaper is no longer Tank busting, he's Tank blanking. Talk to your doctor about ereaptile dysfunction today! 💀
Creative comment of the month award lol
I think it would be cool if Reaper was a backline assassin, that had the opportunity to sustain himself against a Tank with the life steal.
May I introduce u to jq? As a reaper alternative
For me, I'd say he's more situational now. Do they have armor or rely on armor? Maybe not the pick then, or go for squishies more instead if you super main him now.
i like playing reaper but i hate how he's considered a tankbuster
"Make ult impactful" they made sigs ult omnipresent
"Impactful"? More like "inevitable."
Nvm the universe singing to him, he’s gonna grab the entire universe
Good
I can already hear it now, “Out Kiri is 100% on a losing streak bro”
Rip communication
Our monthly copium refill
"out"
Yep, another thing egoistic people get to shit on low rankers for!~
@@Clashmaster6 How is that only a low ranker thing what are you talking about? This literally applies at every rank
REAPER STAYING IN THE SHADOWS WITH THIS PATCH 🗣🔥🔥🗣💯💯
Dude he's already shit and is going to be left in the dust now with these armor and tank changes how do you not want a buff for him?
The only thing reaper is gonna be killing is himself
This shit suck im a reaper mains and im so angry
Pathetic patch
Oh god here comes the tears, I'm a Reaper fan but their mains are 💀
Now Sigma is lore accurate, lol
And they better keep it that way. I don't mind if they nerf the radius a bit but leave sig alone. He's perfect the way he is now. Any more and he might be pushed to the edge. The only person that sre gonna complain about nerfing sig after seeing this are the ones that would dog on meta tanks like Orisa. Tanks are now good and fun to play so I don't even want to hear it.
if sigma was lore accurate he would be able to win 1v10s each game
@@Its_aquaz Yeah I mean he could just use gravity and fling them off the map or crush their spines.
@@mariustan9275 gravity isn’t even his strongest ability in the lore, I mean, one of his abilities literally summons a black hole
@@NemesisRavebane Yeah. I would really love a second tank. Even as a dude who never played OW1, I would love a second tank because that way I have less pressure put on me because if I'm getting counter picked or am having an off day a second tank helps me share the responsibility.
I wish they’d make brig bash sound like a heavy car door closing.
Thats so vivid
I do think audio can make things feel way better honestly some weapons or abilities in this game should get their audio changed to make em FEEL better honestly I don't think we gotta buff all the stats some things just don't feel as powerful or impactful
Ford F150 crossover when?
@@sebastianrodriguez8992I agree. I genuinely feel like I'm better in brawlhalla, they have weapons in it and recently they did a star wars crossover so now some weapons are lightsabers and legitimately I climbed ranked because simply the lightsaber sounds and feels cooler
On her k-pop skin it kinda sounds like that lol 😊
"Out of LOS"
Suprised pikachu face when it works out of LOS.
No no no, he's surprised that in some instances, it's actually impossible to see the ult. If you were that bot, you'd be so confused
@@dragondinomite3005 yeah and when he did it on the top floor they were under the floor he ulted on and still got hit.
Brother the change was meant so that LOS to the center of the ult was not required, if it worked correctly you'd still have to be in the actual circle of the ultimate and not get grabbed through a wall or floor.
It's scary how many likes this has; clearly a bug, and clearly the community ain't the smartest people lmfao
@nj4442 highly doubt it. If we all read it as it is working right now, there's no mistake that it's working as they intended. "Doesn't need LOS now" literally everyone: "so through walls?" Answer: yes, oh gawd, yes
@@nj4442 They're still within the circle, the circle has always went through walls. The only difference is now you'll get yoinked even if you cant see the center of the ult (but are still within the circle)
Another patch, and the only thing my boy Genji is diving is the spawn room.
Better nerf him
The only thing my girl Mercy is healing are dead corpses
@@GoldenDeer_ True. Mercy getting nothing in yet another patch is wild. The only ppl left playing mercy are the mains/one tricks like us
Can we not be happy that tanks are getting something? This isn't meant to be a patch to fix all characters its mostly for tanks.
Ily@@glitchym1017
Loving how they upped the health pools for everyone to stop peoppe dying too fast and then keep upping damage for various heroes because they're not killing fast enough
😂😂 blizzard is such a dumb company
This makes perfect sense. I’m starting to see that people will just complain about anything
That's not why they upped the health pool. They upped the health pool because 200 hp is too little of a health pool to fine tune breakpoints. As an example, the Junkrat buff that gives him 2 shot directs but still doesn't give him his combo back would've been far less elegant than a simply 5 damage buff before the health pool increase.
@@gracecalis5421Globally, no one was complaining about one-shots (besides when they were hard meta) its more so supports could kill dps way easier than dps could them with high healing and tank was tank (miserable). But late season 8 in my opinion was the best balance the game had been in for a while. Most dps and tanks were playable, and supports weren't op but not weak and the game was fine. But then season 9 they make tanking miserable with the dps passive, make supporting more tedious and annoying while healing, and made getting kills too reliant on dps aka putting more pressure on them to preform well.
They never upped the health pool to lower the ttk. They have always said that they wanna keep ttk similar so obviously they are gonna up some of the damage to compensate for higher health pools. What they wanted was to not have high burst damages that delete heroes instantly while still having consistent damage and high bursts that doesn't insta kill to keep the ttk similar. Yall just made up a narrative in your head and then runs with it to complain about shit that never happened lol
Imagine having a good day queuing comp and then BLIZZARD decides to force the saltiest, most tilted player in the network onto your team.
That's me. I'm the salty extremely tilted player 😊
Remember, you get the tilted player in a game you are already advantaged in. Should maybe balance out?
@@apmcx or...means your chances went down...
You describing most rounds of overwatch
Queen buff feels really good but I'm feeling the armor change and headshot reduction a lot more. You can't bully Dva anymore because your shotgun deals a grand total of zero damage against armor and against tank heads
most of her damage is gonna come from abilities now her bleed completely ignores armour
@@TheRealGeorgeCostanza the problem is landing gracie against diva, sometimes feels like a 50/50.
@@WeeabooPocky at range it's gonna be hard to deal with dva yeah but at close range she should be able to shred her.
@@WeeabooPockygetting knife on dva is super easy esp if you pay attention to their matrix….. but rly you shouldn’t be throwing your knife at tanks anyways….. to get bleed you wanna use axe and knife melee when it comes to tanks. shouldn’t have to explain this esp as i only started playing ow2 a month ago
@@crunchysalmonswdym you shouldn’t land knife on tanks, especially with a dive tank like Dva? A lot of times it’s not a bad idea to put a knife on someone like dva or winton so that you can pull them back when they try to escape and easily punish them. Sure you can go for more squishy targets, but it’s definitely not a bad idea, especially if you can potentially get a kill on the tank.
Using shadow step to return to spawn quicker to switch hero 💪
Gonna follow you with guardian angel. Mercy still bad
I gotchu I’m gonna follow up with the Archer guy who shoots marshmallows lol
I don't get why mercy is bad the whole point of mercy is to pocket a dps and than the dps hero will be more powerful@@aurora6685
Swift striking in right behind you 😭
Im not droppin him at all, i dont care, my main forever, he will get buffed eventually just like junkrat did
I feel like nobody has mentioned that Rein's hammer now does 95 to armor instead of 70. Seems like a big deal
How often does he get to bonk an armored guy other than the rare elusive other rein main who has a team that honors the duel
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Rein, Monkey, ORISA, Ram, Dva, Torb, Bastion, heck even Brig. He doesn't usually care for some of those matchups, but he has a better shot now.
I also just realized the armor changes buffed charge damage too. The hopium is real
@@michaelparker2956it’s not monkey it’s Winston or winton they call him
"Ball has been performing much better after his recent update, heres a bunch of extra buffs"
Flats for several years: "Tank sucks"
Flats once a patch buffs half the tanks: "Tank's been petty good for a while already, though"
It’s not necessarily the “strength” of tank he complains about but the gameplay loop of tank in ow2. All the responsibility while having less agency than the other roles. U are the focus of most of the enemies cc etc. 10 incorrect and 1 correct play type deal. If u chose any of the 10 u auto lose the fight for ur team
@@jaded-harperAnd guess what? You can’t balance that out! It’s like an uneven scale.
No amount of adding or removing will help if one of the sides always have an uneven amount.
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 yup. its very similar in wow. 3 dps 1 tank 1 healer. leads to seasons where tank/healing is god awful miserable or just straight up overpowered asf. u die as a tank in a dungeon ur team is auto wiping. u die as a healer ur team is dying to aoe dmg. u die as a dps no one gives a shit really lol. just bad design imo
It seemed like a nice little thing that flux would always work if the foe was visibly in the circle.
It's a whole other thing that it can work when the foe can't even visibly see the circle. Imagine, if you will, seeing literally nothing when Doomfist comes crashing down directly on top of you. It's like that.
nah, making it to where u cant get grabbed if u blocked los made flux have counter play, now if ur not on a mobile hero ur just screwed
10:11 Flats immediately remembering that no matter how much they buff Ball, you'll still be absolutely miserable as the entire enemy team swaps to hardcounter you and chain CC you into hell with Orisa, Sombra, Cass, Ana and Brig.
But hey, you might get a kill now :)
Ye must be fun because everyone like to play those heroes right? Can't believe they can have fun playing the heroes they like and winning at the same time
@@MefoWhoi can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not..
least brig can't boop ball much at all anymore. Better off with a lucio in that comp to just have you team avoid the ball follow up and move faster after the pop ups
ball players are super annoying… it’s like stop running and actually play the game like the rest of us. don’t feel bad at all about bullying a ball in any way
@@crunchysalmonsagreed, I hate-swap to counter ball even though I don’t play sombra. Even if we lose I am happy if I made the ball player have a bad time
Flats when the ult is a ultimate abilty that actually kills people or provides useful support.
It's not that, it's his abject hate for Brig as a character. He almost always over estimates how good she is, and whines anything she gets anything good. Love Flats and his content, but the Brig tears just make me roll my eyes.
“well actually brig shouldnt be allowed to have legs so I can kill her over and over”
@@venusfallenflats has had some pretty dogshit takes lately thats for sure
@@venusfallento be fair we all have ptsd from launch brig for over a full year of that shit
@@SwordIord22Never letting her live it down though doesnt help when they're trying to make her less niche
Brig needed that change because Rally is a reactive-defensive ult, and like half of it's value is in the shield bash stun. So before this buff on Brig you were potentially punished pretty hard for using your main ability at all by losing a big chunk of your ult's value if anything you need to react to fast happens. Also, you're acting like a whole ult allowing you to barely kill one squishie while wasting your only movement ability is something crazy, not to mention it pretty much did that already if your team had at least half a brain left to shoot the stunned squishie in a teamfight. Yes, it provides overhealth to allies nearby, but it's still not nearly as enabling as other support ults. It's a life saving ult, not a teamfight-winning ult
As a brig enjoyer I disagree, this change was unnecessary af, brig was fine and didn't need any buffs.
"So before this buff on Brig you were potentially punished pretty hard for using your main ability at all by losing a big chunk of your ult's value if anything you need to react to fast happens." Yep thats why you don't use it when you're going to need it. Same goes for suzu, if you waste your cooldown when you needed it for something else you deserve to be punished for it.
"Also, you're acting like a whole ult allowing you to barely kill one squishie while wasting your only movement ability is something crazy" But thats not the whole ult it also gives her a fuck ton of hp, a massive shield that can block several cooldowns like ana nade, sleep dart, jq knife, prevent mauga from getting his lifesteal, roadhog hook, orisa javelin, soldier rocket, etc, and gives your entire team overhealth in addition to the inspire she already gives. Brig really did not need this change
"not to mention it pretty much did that already if your team had at least half a brain left to shoot the stunned squishie in a teamfight" So you're killing two squishies when she uses her ult then, she popts ult and solo kills a squishy by herself, and then its off cooldown for the second stun she kills a second squishy with her team as you said . So she isn't using her whole ult just to kill one squishy like you said she was. She's killing two squishies alongside blocking dozens of cooldowns with the massive shield, gaining armor and making her team practically unkillable.
"Yes, it provides overhealth to allies nearby, but it's still not nearly as enabling as other support ults." You didn't even mention the giant ass reinhardt shield that lets her block multiple characters entire characters kits
"It's a life saving ult, not a teamfight-winning ult" Its a tempo ult like coalescence. It doesnt need to hard counter everything in the game, cc people, assassinate several squishies, make her and her team immortal and let her block most cooldowns for free with a giant shield. just compare rally to coalescence, Brig did not "need this" its so fucking unneccessary
I'm amazed they didn't give reinhardt a slight increase to movement and attack speeds when his shield is broken since mirrorwatch reinhardt was so much fun
Hanzo "buff" ends up being a nerf
Im going to commit a crime
😂😂
thank fuck, fuck hanzo players
Bruh, they definitely know the real reason why hanzo is bad, but instead of trying to fix the problem, they're just gonna put a shitty band-aid on it and leave it on the shelf and act like it's not there, that's so annoying😒
It's buff overall because the problem with his ult is that its too easy to get away from, the speed increase allows his dragon to apply more pressure while still doing decent dmg. Also it makes his ult less dependent on other ults like grav or flux.
@@Yvworn it's much worse for zoning and is only better at catching unaware plats off guard across the map
Pure unadulterated power from sigmas ult fix.
That’s what Krauser says in RE4 lol (Minus the sigma part ofc)
I guess reaper and genji will be even less existent now
why
@miterkrab4432 Reaper is a character that is really only useful for stopping tanks (he never really filled this role in ow2) and now they are even more powerful.
Genji is just a terrible hero that will be bodied even harder by the stronger tanks. I realize he might be good in lower elo but im top 20 rn and he is legit unplayable.
@@zoomerplayz6764I knew he was bad as a Genji main myself but I didn’t know he was unplayable in higher ranks (I just thought I was in Bad Diamond 4 Btw)
I despise Reaper do I am happy he is becoming worse
@MelonBoi0 Yeah his stats are objectively 10x worse compared to almost every other hero, and his designed playstyle (going in with dash and surviving with deflect) is god awful in good lobbies.
"Tank BUFFS" might be a bit misleading. After some testing from before to now against a Rein as the basis, this is what I found: (Body/Headshot)
Dva (+8/+5)
Doomfist (+3/+2)
Junker Queen (+2/+1)
Orisa (+4/+8) - unsure of this one tbh
Rein (-1) - one less swing, which is big!
Roadhog (0/0) - no difference
Sigma (-1) - one less 2-rounded attack
Winston/Zarya - ignores armor so big for them
So as we can see, for the most part, it is not LESS VIABLE to shoot the tank as the tank - with a few exceptions. However, when it comes to DPS, that's when we see an interesting result. As for what I can tell, it appears that body shots require less bullets, ranging for 1-3, while headshots requires more bullets to kill, ranging from 1-3. While that may seem like nothing to some like Cass and Widow (who lost nothing as it was the same across), heroes like Ashe and Hanzo might want to do more body shots as the gap is far more closer than before. And of course, explosive and beam heroes benefit from this overall. They lost nothing, so expect more Junkrat, Sym, Pharah, and even Venture.
However, the biggest issue I see is not DPS, with a few exceptions, it is the Support.
Ana (-2)
Bap (-3/+3)
Brig (-2)
Illari (-2/-1)
Kirko (-2/0)
Lucio (0/+4)
Mercy (-1/+4)
Zen (-2/0)
Now while I do say that I am fine with a strong Support, this may be an issue as their power is slowing begininng to creep again, and I doubt we want to see that again. And when this was meant to be a patch for the tanks too!
*Biggest losers not worth mentioning (those who require 10+ to kill, both in headshots and body) - Mauga (when not on fire), Ram, Wrecking Ball, Sojourn, Sombra, Tracer, and Lifeweaver
Thank you for the deep analysis! 👀🙏
Hanzos also in the 10+ because unless the enemy doesnt move after the first shot you usually cant kill them before cover/ healing unless you use storm arrow
To be fair, I actually think that's going to be okay. Supports have felt all around pretty weak this season, especially since they gave DPS 20% passive back.
Having them deal slightly more damage against tanks at the cost of the tanks/DPS burst being bad is a very fair equalizer. Plus, it makes support feel just slightly more impactful.
20% healing debuff
25% crit debuff
And slightly more damage to compensate heals
All kinda makes for a great mechanical cocktail in theory.
Supports need dps now??? You think we can just afk heal against the dps passive? We have to dps and be better 100%😂😂😂
Low key happy you got some likes for your lab 🥼
Hanzo's is 100% a nerf. I main him and have for years, and the fact that it goes faster but does the same damage means it's just even easier to get out of it. We are tired. #fixhanzo
I actually died to a few dragonstrikes last night, I haven't said that in a LONG time!
@dustinbiester4401 I felt like I got more kills when it was slower because it was in the area longer. I think it is best when the player knows where to shoot them for the best effect (combined with other abilities or not) but even then, it changes all of the muscle memory and knowledge of good spots when it's faster
@@dustinbiester4401skill issue I think bruv. I’m still dodging that shit everytime I hear it go off lol
The question isn't if tank is saved
It's which role is going to get screwed over in compensation for it. Tank started the game dominating, and that led to dps/support feeling weak. Tanks got nerfed, orisa is the only one that feels really good and the rest are sucking ass while supports reign supreme. Too much healing now, lets give dps an antiheal ability and oh boy now tank just went from bad to insufferable. Now tanks are bulkier... But how does this impact the other roles? Are supports/dps having an impact by shooting the tanks? Are all tanks improved or does this only help like 2 or 3 while the rest still suffer?
The biggest problem with 5v5 is that we went from balancing heroes to now balancing each role specifically, and no patch has left all roles feeling good. Tanks have to be OP since there's only 1, but tip that scale too far and now the other roles are terrible too.
In the end, this solves nothing imo. They can gigabuff ball all they want, but playing him into his counters will still feel miserable. Same goes for every tank.
@@overconfidentmegthatgetstu9120 that's what it seems like. It doesn't seem like tank is really fixed, your suffering is just prolonged. Knock back resist is good i guess but its the least impactful CC, what about stun/hack? Even if you resist KB its still gonna throw off a character like ball significantly more than a character like Orisa. Idk why they still have role passives when they make balance a mess, you can't give Hog and Winston the same CC resist passive and expect both to benefit equally from it.
And don't get me wrong you cant just give ball CC immunity cause he does NEED to be countered by CC. Ball I just don't see working in this format unless you just do the lifeweaver thing and buff the everloving hell out of him.
@darcidious99 I mean, they are already doing that. Buffed pretty much every aspect of him. His ramming dmg, his piledriver, his ult, got significant buffs. And all of this right after his rework, too.
In the end we are always gonna be forced to play rock paper scissors. If the tank on your team refuses to swap it becomes infinitely harder to win. And the enemy team will always counterswap to deal with your tank.
Everyone always says "these changes are gonna be so good" after every patch and after a few weeks people realize it's shit changes.
@@overconfidentmegthatgetstu9120 exactly. You can't just patch out rock paper scissors. Even when tank sucks its still the most important role which we've seen, that's why you can dedicate an entire team comp to countering the tank and unless that tank plays perfectly, they must switch... Or just play orisa/mauga
That one dude who played ball after the rework then the enemy swapped to Ana/Brig/Sombra and I think a mccree or other big cc hero. He played perfectly, and it looked like misery incarnate. It's nice that balls getting buffed to the moon, but it's not gonna make the character beat the enemy team when they have an ana/brig/sombra/mccree, they refuse to do anything to address counterswapping which is THE issue.
Yeah I can't believe they dared to say "to make counter swapping a more interesting choice" for a 0.5 sec buff to zarya ult. It's never interesting, and it's rarely a choice. 6v6 please!
Junkrat buff gives back 2 tap on his gun.
Hanzo's buff is speedy dragons.
Nice. His dragons were never meant for damage, so instead of helping his normal play style they went and tried to change it by changing his ult. I've been using dragons for zoning for 8 years. Really guys?
Junkrat got 2 tap on his gun, but equivalent to Hanzo's one shot headshot would be left click mine combo dealing 250 dmg again.
Rat got a buff but it's like if Hanzo would get a +5 dmg on storm arrows (I have no idea what the breakpoints are). It would feel nice, but it's not the reason why everyone is complaining.
But as Hanzo main I'm in unimaginable despair. I've stopped playing him since 1 shot removal, because it's not enjoyable for me. I really hoped for reversal of that.
@@vatum20 A better comparison would be if they increased Hanzos arrow damage to 125 but decreased his headshot multiplier so he can't oneshot headshot but can at the very least twoshot bodyshot. Because their reasoning for why they increased junkrats damage was that the health changes made it so it takes one extra shot to kill an enemy (from 2 to 3), and the health changes did the exact thing to hanzo, making him need an extra body shot arrow to kill (2 to 3), and hanzo fires slower than junkrat.
@@wyrda1602 You are right, but I was just saying how it wasn't the change Junkrat players were hoping for. Because that was what I thought op thought based on his comment.
They made junkrat an even more spam character now instead of changing the mines for more skill expression.
They ruined Hanzo by making him a storm arrow andy and ruined he's ult so it now basically does nothing to tank and can only kill squishes which never happens and as you said its worse for zoning.
That hanzo change is going to hit harder than most people think
15m/s
That thing is silent when traveling through walls, if it catches you in a tight space its over
Bronze killer for sure.
It’s worse at zoning thi
@@necrosis6037 Maybe they'll buff the damage or lenght after some months
And nerf something else to compensate
I've died a few times tonight to hanzo ult. First time I've said that for what feels like months
It's not really a buff but rather what they call "shifting power". Far worse for zoning, better at catching someone off-guard for a kill. Also it's worse for the Zarya combo because it goes through faster, can't kill a Hog even if they eat the entire ult.
I will say it: nothing has really changed. Tanks that used to explode still do so. The only difference is the characters causing the explosion. Instead of tank busters it's characters dealing big damage in one hit (Cass, Ashe, Junk, etc.). Tanks with huge hitboxes are going to suffer from this the most. On the other hand, JQ and Zarya will be A+ tier because they're more difficult to hit, received buffs and weren't affected by the armor nerf.
you really think taking 25% less headshot damage will not change anything?
@@pedrot8227Yes. They will still counter swap each other.
If you count making the other roles miserable as a change, then yeah I guess
the runescape music in flats videos makes me happy
When we getting that Genji one shot back and that peak nanoblade
Those were the fun days man, sadly blizzard hates the shimada brothers and will leave em in the pits of hell 4 then 2 rot. Me personally I was thinking genji and Hanzo players just stop playing their characters forcing blizzard 2 change them. I don’t want a op character, I just want a character that takes skill and hard 2 play NOT to be in c tier, an average B-A and while u might say “oh each character has their own meta some are good in this season soma are good in that” the character has been in C ever since the 2 weeks he was good. Ever since he was in the trenches. In season 9 he was making a lil bit of a comeback but he’s terrible again, buff genji and bring Hanzo 1 shot back.
Saw ball in the thumbnail and read "tank buffs" and clicked faster than light
Gonna be interesting to see if tanks are gonna be deleted quicker or slower.
This patch is huge jeez
Wait, so if you drop flux on the corner of the stairs above the patrolling bots, do you think those bits get lifted twice as high as normal? I know we didn't see it in Flats's clip, but that's because they had a little bit of a roof above them.
For Hanzo out change I think they should just decrease the time it takes for him to say his voice line and actually shoot the arrow
I love when developers put in their comments in patches. I really think it needs to become a normal thing as it helps people see where they were coming from and why they would do something. Them talking about the Hanzo “buff” makes a bit more sense when they say why they did it instead of just showing the numbers and having people guess
I haven't played in a few days, but I'm excited about the way Zarya is gonna feel now. Her existing shields along with the improved self healing is gonna make her regen so nice and quick, you love to see it
Already saw a video of KarQ using the ult on the first training bots under the gym room in the training area map and it goes through it, interesting.
U can full combo with brig :
Melee => Bash => Rally Bash => Melee => Flail
40 => 50 => 50 => 40 => 70. That's 250 neat.
Not a true combo tho
@@Mika-xw1xpit is
@@commandoghost5883 no its not lol. Characters can escape with many movement abilities because the stun isnt long enough.
A TRUE combo is just an combo which is unescapable
it was fun cancelling sig ult with lifeweaver while it lasted 😔
also eveyrones mythic skins don't show up in hero gallery anymore , something broke lol
sig ult is a lifeweaver nerf?
Most matches are for sure going to be whoever has the best tank
Last point Gibraltar sigma ulting from spawn like old mercy rez! This will be funny
I feel like with dragon if people are out of the way of the end of it they are living regardless, so might as well let it get to them faster, even if it doesn't hold them back as long, might be worth catching them in it sooner, have to see how it goes
Flux was LOS based? I feel dumb but satisfied in knowing why certain flux attempts missed. Its not like I was going for none LOS flux though so lol. I just thought it covered the outside of objects.
Edit: oh no indeed
Yup. Lifeweaver can’t counter it mow
Wait so they're just fully admitting that they will be beginning to lowkey rig matches in favor of those on lose streaks? How many losses does it take for the system to begin putting you in i guess...."pity que?"
forced 50 50 has been around for quite some time, and blizzard even said it didnt exist like a year or two ago. but theyve admitted it does, time and time again. and everyone still shits on those of us that despise the game because of the forced 50 50. i dont play competive games to get a winrate dictated by the devs of the game. i play competitive games to see my own skill level in said game, if im bad at x game, i want to know that im bad at x game. i dont want a forced fuckin win/loss rate
None of this had to happen before OW2. Ain’t that something?
Did something happen to the mythic skins? Because the ones I have are now gone and the shop says unavailable is it a glitch or are they doing something?
The skins were temporarily removed because they were causing players to disconnect from the servers.
@enterthekyuubi okay thanks for letting me know because that had me worried that I just lost them for no reason
Lore accurate sigma ultimate
I wish it told you how much ppl u picked up for sig
Time to become a rein player
It isn't good over here either man...
@@CHESS-MAN2491 can't be worse than reeba
@@ChoiceOW maybe not
But it isn't much better
I have a question. When I queue in Quick Play, I get bonus XP for picking all roles or support. So that says to me, that support is in high demand. They have shorter queue times and grant you bonus XP for the Battle Pass.
So if tank is really the class that is played the least, than why not apply the bonus XP there? I would play way more tank in that case.
Also when I select All Roles, most of the times I would still end up playing support and rarely a tank and even rarer a dps.
Wouldn't it kinda help to solve the problem, or is there a hidden mechanic I don't know about? Like because I'm best at support, because I play support the most, because it's the one I get to play in all roles quick play, the game automatically assigns me to play more support?
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the piledriver change is MASSIVE for ball.
I didn't play OW for a couple years and when I came back Junkrat, my main damage hero, felt like actual shit. I get nerfing the mine combo since that was easy and quick, but 3 direct hits to be lethal was ridiculous.
genji mains are with yall cuz dragonblade now takes 3 swings to kill 💀
My hot take/ramble is. With the 5v5 vs 6v6 debate I really hate the reasoning of "no one played tank" because to me that just means the dev team were so incompetent of making tanking fun that they basically said "Since we can't do our jobs correctly let's just punish the off-tank players by deleting that role and force all tank players to relearn the whole game" So they went down that road only to then make tanking worse in 5v5. Sick of people giving devs excuses and saying the little crumbs they give tanks are enough. Tanking hasn't been totally fun since ow2 came out and idc if u say oh tanking was fun for this season and then this season. Tank players shouldn't have to go months between fun tank seasons. It's not fair that they have to keep guessing when they can have fun again then worry that it will only last a few weeks. I want 6v6 back not because I think it's better but because in OW1 I didn't go a Dat without wanting to least play a few tank games but now I could go days or even a week without playing. 6v6 I knew I could at least deal with bad tank metas and have a little bit of fun but in 5v5 Im slowly losing my desire to play and that sucks because ive loved OW since 2016. The only reason I havent completely given up on OW is because there isnt another game like this and the potential to be amazing again is there. So if this patch doesn't make tanking better than devs need to suck it up and realize they don't know how to fix tanking. So instead of only doing it themselves they need to get together with well respected tank streamers and let them every month or 2 make a tank patch and throw in the game for a hack weekend and see how it does. Do it until something works.
I wonder if the tank headshot reduction works for mauga crits
7:18
- October of 2020 patch
- Ow2 isn't behind a paywall anymore so means more players are gonna willingly try tank and its synergies
- Ow1 had content drought and wasn't getting updates = player decline = less tanks
- Game is being updated now with newer heroes which means more fun tanks to try
- Ow1 tanking was boring and ow1 dev team heavily wanted ppl to play poke comp
- Ow1 balance team was worse than the balance team we have now. And if this balance team were to try and balance 6v6, they can really make it work.
- Ow2 5v5 format is the problem and nothing the dev team can do will be able to fix tank as an issue.
- Ow2 5v5 open queue sees a lot of 2 to even 3 tanks nearly every single game which means im sure yk what this means. Ppl love more than 1 tank.
- A lot of new players never got to try Ow2 so they will be more incline to try it out (this is prob irrelevant)
Was Reaper not ruined enough? We have to nerf his tank busting ability even further?! Somebody save this man!
My thoughts exactly
Maybe he just needs to be... Reworked... The dreaded word. He is outdated, I'd like to see his kit improved or his shotguns improved heavily. They suck at literally everything except tank busting. They need to fix his damn guns.
@@jeremyhorner9531 Reaper sucks rn
@@jeremyhorner9531 What if his shadow step was a quick dash instead of a teleport, with invulnerability? Kinda like Moira, but the invulnerability isn’t as long and the dash doesn’t take him as far. And he got two stacks. Two short dashes with invulnerability would give him some outplay potential. He wouldn’t have instant high ground access anymore, which would be the trade-off.
@@sirfailalotfulso kind of a tracer with shotguns and more health??
I’m gonna eat good with the Junkrat, Echo, Junker Queen changes
My friend and I were duo queuing ranked placement matches for 22 minutes straight and we just gave up on finding a match so I hope that got fixed
Question, does armor still have a separate resistance to beams? and follow up, does the -5 dmg per projectile affect beams or DoT at all?
just ganna say how hanzo has been shafted this whole time, he loses his 1 shots, his ult going faster is so you cant use it to clear point as effectively, and he gains less ult charge then before since he cant 1 shot people and his headshots on the tank will do less.
deserved
@@miterkrab4432not rlly. I’m not even a hanzo player but mans has been done dirty. We just have baby’s crying cause they peaked main against a hanzo and got 1 tapped where he was spamming lol. Widows fine to one shot people 100m away tho that’s perfectly fine =))
@@miterkrab4432I think people like you is why Blizzard struggles to listen to the average players feedback. It’s hard to have accurate judgement when their player base goes off of how much they hate a character
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 I don’t think blizzards gonna be delving into the replies of a comment on a flats video, hope this helps
To be fair tank ques were actually even in 6v6 when the game was balanced confirmed by the devs
No it was only in like high masters in one of the last specific patches.
This isnt consistent information
@Mika-xw1xp high masters is where counter swapping and meta mattered. Besides play and gold was queing rein all day. I played low rank and casually 70% of my games had a rein. Low rank players thought he was necessary
@@Mika-xw1xpimagine being so confidently wrong lmao how embarrassing for you
@@ChimpRevolution I was just talking about Queue times.
Im pretty sure that Arron keller had talked about it in an interview about 1. How Tank queue times were ALWAYS a problem and 2. that there was for some reason a time where in mid-high masters every role got perfectly simillar picked which resulted in great queue times.
So yeah there are some amazing arguments for 6v6 but at the end of the day people want to play the game. they do not want to wait 10 mins for a game which maybe only lasts 15 mins
@@TheGreatPewpyOne Do you maybe want to give me a source of your Information instead of insulting me?
if u revert to 6v6, with balance patches every other week like OW 2, u can make Tank Fun again and have a healthy population to fill queues more fast just like October 2020
Damm that loss streak thing would be nice went on a tilt que from D1 all the way down to P5 ended the season at P3 and haven’t played since will be cool to play again with these new updates and new hero’s.
Doomposters go crazy in the comments every time there's balance changes, huh?
It’s not a good patch? Like what? Of course people are going to doom post about a game that had continuously made bad balance decisions for a full year.
Yeah I don't get why people are getting all doom-and-gloomfist about this patch
Either a shill or a doomer.
Call it.
@@depthcharge5091brother they doom post every patch, it’s not skepticism at that point it’s being obnoxious
@@-NoNo. no being obnoxious is constantly giving these devs a pass instead of acknowledging 5v5 is the problem. Being obnoxious is sitting in an echo chamber and attempting to gaslight yourself and others into thinking the game is good when it isn’t and hasn’t been for years. It’s annoying how everyone seems to just forget how bad this game was throughout its lifespan.
Hanzo still ass
3:49 so real, sometimes i just start lagging for no reason once I start doing good. Ping at 500 til the end of the game, on the DEFEAT screen ping goes back down to 85. Usually happens after a couple of wins too.
One thing to mention is that tanks always get the raw end of the stick when it comes to toxicity, despite 90% of people being toxic being unable to actually play tank.
I dont want to constantly have to play orisa last patch, but if i picked, say, junker queen, i would be told "change or report" in the spawn doors like it was insane
tank still feels awful lol...
The idea of moving Junkrats power to his primary and keeping his mines for movement or booping enemies would be such a good way to balance him imo.
They did it to a small extent here but I would be willing to let junkrat get his mines faster or a 3rd if dmg wasn't so high. Raises skill ceiling while keeping character identity.
At first I didn't mind the Sigma buff because from the way they described it, I thought they meant the direct center of the flux area. But no, it's the flux in general. And that terrifies me.
Don’t mind the changes but it still feels like tanks don’t die or just explode but there’s other problems within dps like diffing the dps and they instantly go som , tracer or reaper and get their ult in like 40 seconds
*Ooooh,* So that's why I was rolling that Reinhard with Junkrat..
Imagine buffing sigma (an A/S tier hero), making old brig kinda back, meanwhile genji is genji (you can play perfectly as genji and get rolled by a gold mccree XD)
genji is one of the highest pick and winrate characters in gm. if you're struggling on him vs gold players its a skill issue
@@ironman1458 yeah, sure, my bad that dash, rightclick to the head (all 3 hit), melee and another rightclick (only 1 hit cause he rolled away) can't kill mccree (aka you played perfectly to get rolled to 3 bodyshots from hitscan XDDD). Also how is it a skill issue when i can play perfectly and still get shit on because his character has more stats? (i am sitting in high master and ocasionally in low gm for the last 6 or so seasons btw, so yeah, skill issue)
@kuba-xy9hj I'm pretty positive mccree can't 3 tap the body anymore
@@ironman1458 You realize a high pick and win rate doen't mean the hero is amazing. Genji has always been a fan favorite. Sure his neutral game is alright atm but his dragonblade straight up sucks. Anyways Echo or Tracer do everything he does, but better.
@@crossdaboss8914 3 bodyshots + nade which you can throw while shooting is what i meant
I'll wait 20 minutes to get a game for 6v6 anyday
13:11 I’d say both, because yes it lasts a slight bit less time it works better fired out of spawn and can’t be ignored too much
People do want to play tank, they're just tired of being counterpicked brainlessly the whole game which is what happens in OW2..........
just wondering but in what rank is this a big issue? I'm currently in silver in that isn't a big deal. I'm really enjoying silver in all roles and have more or less dismissed this sort of complaining but now that I'm interested in possibly climbing again, im curious as to when things fall apart.
Is this mainly a ranked thing in higher ranks or is this also the quickplay experience in higher ranks?
@@Lee-fw5bd ive experienced it in gold, plat, diamond, and masters
@Sheltur_0311 ah so stay happy in silver haha gotcha
Is this also an attitude in unranked quick play?
@@Lee-fw5bd somehow it's worse out of ranked
@@Lee-fw5bd it occasionally happens in unranked it really depends on the time of day, at night i get alot of counterswaps, i dont though I just lock rein at night
Samito is right samito is right samito is right
People most use hanzo ult as zoning tool
So devs thought, here's a bright idea- lets make it get out of the way faster🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Oh cool now junk can go from the depths of -F tier to normal F tier
WE DRAGONBLADING TO THE SPAWN WITH THIS ONE🗣️💯💯🤑
As a Reaper main, this patch makes me cry and rage
Reaper was already probably worst dps in the game. Now fucking hell he might be competing for worst hero out of all the roles. Seriously the hell is the point this dude is so loud, slow, and predictable
@@tiam9465 He helped me climb from Silver 2 to Plat 4, but ever since i heard about this patch i've been learning Cass.
I do believe he's getting reworked after this patch but he'll never be as satisfying to play, dude is now worse than even fucking Symmetra
I hope they plan a good rework for him that doesn't kill the og design.
@@aguy216 Ive heard about this rework a few months ago and still nothing, i think he'll be left in the dust for a long time until his pick rate is basically 0
@@GStefanes_ They have said that the next 2 reworks are going to be dps, whether one is confirmed reaper im not sure.
The losing streak change is very nice. At it's worst I deranked as I lost 12 games in a row, playing well or really well in each of those games, every game was just such an uphill battle that I couldn't be enough of a carry. I was the best player in my team in most of those games so it was really frustrating to keep deranking because of the loss streak multiplier.
I was cackling at that sigma shenanigans. He is so busted now. I love it
I still blow up on tank
its been 2 hours, blow me some more.
I speak for all the Reaper enjoyers when I say AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Is it even a buff up close? Because slower it zoned out a space longer right?
does the sigma change affect live weaver ult cancelling it? Idk how it works specifically but this wording makes me think LW tree and petal acted as LOS block for the ult so it essentially cancelled it
Yeah, it no longer gets canceled by LE
@@necrosis6037 unintentional life weaver nerf when he's already dog water is a bit sad but alas. Good change for consistency tho cause so weird petal such a short cool down could cancel his ult whenever
all these buffs to tanks that don't need it. zero buffs for rein. thanks blizzard.
Rein doesn’t even need buffs. Dude Rein is LITERALLY stupid strong!!! This is a GREAT patch for tanks. Wow…
@@Weightsss Rein wasn't that good in any remotely high rank.
And while he didn't directly get buffed in this patch, we will see what this will do for him.
@Weightsss as a rein main from ow 1. Rein is a garbage character. I love him, love playing, and making him work but half the roster counters the old guy by simply using their abilities. He's in a terrible spot
Ball didn't need a buff? Are you living in fucking laa laa land?
@@Weightsss is this a joke?
How long until we all accept it's a format issue and we go back to 6v6? No matter how many reworks and number merry go rounds we go through, none of it will fundamentally change.
Bring back 6v6. Save Overwatch.
They aren't doing that until they discover how to make Tank not insufferable to play
The problem always has been they removed a slot and never truly balanced the characters for it. Tanks are the most effected but some DPS and Supports still suffer.
The game both in PvP and PvE was not ready but due to execs they had to release something to make money.
Can anybody tell me what the background music is, It sounds vaguely familiar
Honestly the hanzo one shot nerf got me hard but if OW devs insist that he shouldn’t one shot I think that storm arrows should be a resource instead of a cooldown sorta like brig repair pack or doom’s shots this way if he gets a head shot he could follow it up with storm arrow with out having to waste the cooldown
No mercy buffs when she has a mythic skin…. No Ana buffs….. no Illari buffs but yes let’s keep playing brigg kiri and bap that’ll be fun 😵💫
Can't speak for Mercy but...
Illari definitely gets a small buff against tanks with armor and Ana might have a buff against armor but I'm not sure yet...
@@markomanxif i’m honest the only buff that i’d want for illiari is a longer healing beam
Why would mercy having a mythic skin matter to her viability?
Genji has one and he's been basically bottom of the barrel since ow2 release
@@looksfineforme9471 cap
ah yes, the worst heroes in the game carry shotguns (Reaper) Let's NERF shotguns further!
Wouldn't say they are bad. It's just that there whole point of existence is to delete the health of character with big hitboxes which are the tanks and characters like bastion on top. The kind of dmg they did was a pain to deal with for tanks which is why they got nerved
@@empty3038sure but reaper isn’t good for much of anything now. He wasn’t that good before but now he got sent to hell. Then again it’s really frustrating to get shredded because he’s just in your face
Junker queens shotgun too
Junkrat damage has been increased, and with the armor change makes him a better armor buster. So i think junk will be good in lower ranks
Junks always good in lower ranks because people can't walk for shit in there.
I enjoy tank but it just feels so bad to play but I'm a have to try it now with the switches
14:30 like fucking clockwork. Every good patch gets ruined by the most braindead and unnecessary powercreep buff that will ripple effect as patches go on...
Y’all still haven’t gotten over brig meta 6 years ago it’s so funny
8:39 nah i swear its only you bro. This makes sigma already way stronger then he is. Its already easy to get value with the 20M explosion range on his primary and his kit in generall. Being able to OUT LOS the strongest tank ult in the game while on low mobility heros is actually pretty nice. This is just stupid
Please let reinhardts shatter go through walls too. He is to hard to play *waaa* *waaa*
So according to the way you worded your comment all of Sigma's abilities explode on a 20 meter radius and Zarya's ult can be LOSd now?
@@AetherRose42 never lost a word about zarya mate. No his primary dosent explode on a 20M radius, it was a exaggerated representation to his actuall insane explosion radius. The amount of times you get spammed out a corner by a sig without them having to aim at you but still hitting you is stupid. He didnt need ANY buffs.
@Endlingline i was pointing out the flaws in your arguement since zarya has the best tank ult do to its sheer impact on the effectiveness of every ability and ultimate in the game, and because Sigma's explosion is soley on his primary and very short range not to mention most Sigma's position their ults on top of low mobility heroes anyway therefore making your claim that they could escape by standing in it behind cover a niche interaction at best since his ult is only useful if your team can hit aerial targets or the enemies caught in it are below 50% hp already