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Well, she's a great Onna-Musha, so she understands the way of the samurai and their responsabilties as she's a warrior at the service of Toranaga. And now will understand why his grand father insisted in her living after their lords victory, of course we'll see if her and Mariko survive the combat to enjoy the new world or if they die gloriously in the battle.
The seppuku scene is all about facial language, facial conversation. It was a silent 'goodbye, my friend. It was an honor" from both their sides. Toranaga actually was sad and blinked back tears for he knew what was coming, it was a pre-planned show for the others. Such a masterpiece! The actors are amazingly magnificent.
Buntaro is a complex character. He is hard to like but also hard to absolutely hate. The actor portraying him is doing an amazing job. I hope this leads to other projects for him where he can continue to show his range.
I think Hiromatsu guessed Tironaga's plan. I feel like they know each other so well, Hiromatsu figured it out and made a play to solidify his plan. I don't think Tironaga ever planned on sacrificing Hiromatsu, but he understood what Hiromatsu was doing when he started his act. You can see the tears in his eyes. That's also why Hiromatsu told Buntaro not to give up on Tironaga even if it looks like he gave up.
Yes, "In the tea room, there is no hierarchy of status," and even the lord bows his head as a guest. This is an important code of the sadou/tea ceremony. In the drama, the code worked very well.
Buntaro asking his father to follow him in death, Hiromatsu answering to his son no slowly turning to look at him “you will know what it is to be denied” thinking of Mirako. Excellent!!
What Mariko said to Buntaro is maybe the most brutal thing I’ve ever heard one human say to another. Somehow this show got me tearing up for a wife beater. That’s absolutely epic
She was opposed to their marriage in the first place; no amount of atonement or apology from Buntaro was going to soften Mariko's heart.!!! She cut his ass with the utmost softness and skill!!! You go, Mariko-sama.❤❤❤
I shouldn't feel bad for Buntaro, but he really went through it this episode. He got told off by both his wife and his dad. His actor really did a masterful job. It sucks there won't be enough individual acting awards available because they're all so good.
@@CausallyExplainedIt may mean nothing to us consumers, but it’ll certainly matter to people in the film industry and help boost the careers of the actors, writers, costume designers etc. involved with the project.
@@funnerz its all paid and bought, even they don't care than the momentary spotlight. Look at Rythem & Hues the company that won Oscar and gone bankrupt. Its a horrible metric to choose and pick an artist based on their awards. Its will always be flawed and should mean nothing, Choose based on the merit on screen not some name tag or shiny piece of metal.
Buntaro and Ochiba's facades cracking and showing their own hurt and emotions breaking through their eightfold fences were some really incredible moments from this episode. What powerful actors.
Dude… Hiroyuki Sanada. Talk about being able to act!! He did an incredible job in being able to actually sell that scene at the end there. That is, of course, if I’m reading in between the lines in the sense that he was actually trying to do that. He knew his friend had to make the sacrifice in order to move up on the board for the campaign of what’s to come in the future. I can only now imagine what that scene is going to be like with Fuji when she learns of what happened.
Wow just wow. The way sanada-sama's voice broke when he talked about his fallen friend. OMG amazing acting and tension. Was balling during the tense scenes. Buntaro had the worst week ever!
I don’t think Hiroyuki Sanada has ever been the main lead of any show or even movie, at least not here in the US. If not it’s been long due and he has absolutely killed it in Shogun. Honestly, all the actors have just been killing their roles. Especially given the fact that they have to convey so much using only expressions and body language rather than words. The understated dialogue combined with the masterful facial expressions and body language is excellent. The exchange between Toranaga and Hiromatsu was a master class in acting in both dialogue and expression. The fact that the Japanese language sounds so impactful, especially when emotion is injected into it, just brings that much more to the scene. If this show were in English it would have been such a disappointment, it definitely wouldn’t have had near the same impact. So many actors deserve awards for their performances. This show is definitely one of the best ever made, and especially in modern TV.
I have spent the past 8 Tuesdays waking up at 7 am to watch Shōgun and then wait patiently for you guy’s video!!! My week is not complete without starting my day off hearing the John Blackthorn voice 😂
He use the death of his own son and a life of his life long friend to built a stepping stones to victory. that is cold as fuck but also require the strongest heart.
Omi is like one of the best characters on this show. I thought he would be a throwaway character, but he's become one of my favorites. An incredible arc.
As a foreigner living in Japan, the scene where the priest comes to correct John's Japanese resonated so much lol. There are so many people who try to prove their Japanese is better than the other foreigner's, such a wild but interesting aspect of living in Japan haha.
@@paulabarquez1252he’s not a good person but I get reminded of Jaimie Lannister when I think of him. You root for him because his intentions can be correct but his way of getting there is extremely flawed
We all want to see Buntaro got the repercussion for his actions. The show managed to give us the karma for Buntaro for the cruelest way possible: Having to kill his own father and being rejected death just like Mariko. RIP Grandpa Hiromatsu😢
Yabushige would not leave Edo aboard John Blackthorne’s ship unless he was sure that Toranaga was going to surrender. Toranaga wanted Yabushige to move the ship and the weapons, but it had to appear like it was all Yabushige’s decision and not a war move by Toranaga. At the end of Shōgun episode 8, when Yabushige and Blackthorne were already aboard the Englishman’s ship, Lady Mariko arrived with a message from Toranaga. Whatever Toranaga’s battle plan is, it involves John Blackthorne and his ship.
20:50 So cunning. Toranaga knows the geishas won't have a problem working next to a Christian church, but the father definitely will, so he will leave without directly expelling him.
There were 11 sailors of the Erasmus left - including John - after the Captain-General had shot himself and one of their mates was boiled alive be Yabushige. The ship and its crew is Dutch not Skandinavian. Easy to remember because the ship is named after Erasmus of Rotterdam. a famous Dutch philosopher and pioneer of enlightenment, the very principle the constitution of the United States is based on.
So an interesting question that was probably left intentionally ambiguous: did Nagakado attack the half brother on his own, or was it discussed with Toranaga in advance? The answer to that question has a huge impact on how to feel about Toranaga. His thank you to Nagakado at the pyre was vague enough that it can be interpreted either way.
Nagakado's death gave them 49 days right? If he had succeeded in killing Toranaga's brother (he was certainly trying to) it would've been a very different outcome. I'm not sure how Toranaga could've planned this
This episode was really intense, just the build up of it all. Even going so far as to confuse the viewers because I fully believed that Toranaga was faking and he really had a plan, and then Toranaga just sits back and watches his best friend Hiromatsu commit sepuku and at that point I think damn maybe he really is done for because no way he just let that happen, then they show he really does have a plan. Craziness all around; sidenote Toranaga giving the church a patch of land right next to the land for the brothel had me laughing so hard, a big fat F U to the church.
There is a proverb in Japan that says, ``Before deceiving your enemy, first deceive your friends.'' The death of his son (so he doesn't even attend the funeral) and the seppuku of his chief vassal are all part of his ploy to say, ``I have no intention of going against Osaka.'' The chief vassal saw through the lord's plans and made the plan a success with his own death.
It was great episode. It would be funny, in the scene when Blackthorne was walking away from the crew member and the crew member yelled Hey Pilot and he turned around and started speaking Japanese LOL
Although, I'm assuming from Mariko's reaction a few episodes back after he hit her, that it wasn't the first time Buntaro had used his wife as a punching bag. She obviously felt her verbal brutality was warranted.... And look how cutting her words were & how expertly she OWNED him without cowardly lifting a hand to _him._ 😊
I think the Daiyoin is the one who drugged Ochiba and helped her pregnant. According to Ochiba, it was a harrowing experience. However, I think it's complicated for Ochiba because that also gave her power and status. Without the Daiyoin, she being a concubine without bearing son(s) would have given her a precarious life.
Man this show is really giving me goosebumps. The japanese would really give their life away for a bluff. That tells you about the honor and loyalty and pride of the japanese people. Fascinating is an understatement.
I do feel like I appreciate what this show has achieved in terms of rounding out Buntaro and making him feel more human and giving greater nuance to their relationship. That being said though no amount of coldnesss on her part makes beating her, or being abusive towards her okay.
My headcanon is that Hiromatsu intentionally made Buntaro “second” him and denied Buntaro’s death to teach him a lesson. He could have picked anyone like Omi or Yabushige but he chose Buntaro because Buntaro is his son and he wanted Buntaro to understand how Mariko feels.
That’s the exact same thought that popped into my mind when I watched that scene for the first time!! I really do think he was tired of watching his son destroy himself and his family and treating Mariko poorly for the past actions of her father that he wanted him to know exactly what she felt like. But goddamn this guy went through the wringer this episode!!! I mean 90% of his family is dead, his brother is dead (Fuji’s dad), his great nephew is dead, his wife hates him, his son is scared of him, he lost a lot of his friends, he lost the respect anyone had for him, and now he’s lost his father. OMG and what is Fuji going to do when she finds out!!!! Poor thing
@@logandevereux5076 Buntaro would have been much better off if he had died helping Toronaga escape. He would have died with honour and remembered as such.
I n Japan there are famous formulaic poems that describes the personalities of the three major generals. (Hototogisuー Lesser cuckoo ) Nobunaga: If it won't cry, kill it, Hototogisu. Hideyoshi: If it won't cry, let it cry. Ieyasu: If it won't sing, let's wait until it does I think the nature of Ieyasu (Toranaga) is fully depicted in the drama Shogun.
is awesome to watch the Buntaro character: a real person, a human with light and shadows. He is an asshole, but the circunstances made him. he feels alone, he cant show his emotions, he do the job that is encomended to him everytime, but the one who have to support him doesnt do it. So he resent that, he hate that, and pour that hate on the weaker. The actor is awesome.
Mariko is ruthless in this episode: Buntaro: Remember how happy we were when we first met? Mariko: No! Buntaro: Are you still under the Anjin's spell? Mariko: (silence without denial) Buntaro: Shall we die together? Mariko: Not with you in a thousand years Blackthorne: Loyal turns senseless if I have to kill myself Mariko: Are you serving me warning notice? Even Kiku is not playing game: Kiku: Serving my mistress is my greatest pride (not pillowing you, mate)
In Japan at the time, there was a custom called ``諌死'' in which a vassal would die to warn a lord if he failed. This led Osaka to believe that Toranaga was serious about surrendering, and that he was willing to do so even if his vassals died. Also, the ``person who cannot die'' refers to Toranaga. Historically, Toranaga was a feudal lord, but since he was an only child, he always made many sacrifices to survive the country. That's how they made peace.
I 100% think that was Hiromatsu's idea, and he proposed it to Toranaga before the meeting. There was something about the eye-acting when you watch it again knowing what Toranaga revealed to Mariko in their ending scene.
Hiromatsu had to commit seppuku because he miscalculated Toranaga's decision. He told the other Lords beforehand and was so convinced that Toranaga will fight, but was surprised to find out later, that he already decided. In the last effort to make Toranaga change his mind, and to save face, Hiromatsu threatened seppuku. So both did the ultimate sacrifice.
Toranaga gave a church site next to the brothel area. This means not allowing the construction of a church from the beginning. Hiramatsu's seppuku is not begging for his life, but a plea in exchange for his life. Loyalty refers to vassals like Hiramatsu. The emotions of this episode are also felt by Japanese people. The content was quite risqué, difficult to understand, deep, and interesting.
What a fascinating and tragic Ochiba must have had with the Daiyoin. On the one hand she made her go through *unspeakable things* to get pregnant by the man who violently replaced her father, but on the other hand she gave her the means by which to have all the power and influence she now has, and has (from what we've seen) treated her well and kindly. She must have hated and loved her at the same time.
who is working tirelessly in the background to coordinate the plan with other allies of toronaga? of course, toronaga's prized samurai who acted as spy in izu.
Mariko and buntaro relationship is toxic on both ends. Hes definitely a rash person and has angre issues. He knows he was married way avobe his league and he adores her. You just have to notice the way he looks at her. That makes him unable to grant her death. He loves her in a selfish way and don't want to loose her even if that's what she wants. Sho on the other side is obsessed with dying, but it's too proud to do it in an unhonorable way. She could kill herself any moment without permission but she wants to do it honorably. She knows his husband's flaws and pushes his buttons trying to get killed by his hand. It's all a big messy tragedy.
Quick question. Did Hiromatsu and Toranaga pre-plan the theatrics from the start; or did they have an understanding of what must be done in the heat of the moment? tell me your theories!
It's when one of the disagreeing lords started to move the hilt of his sword did Hiromatsu really go all in. He knew he had to do it to defuse a potentially explosive situation to ensure the plan goes on.
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This was just incredible. A show like Shōgun is the perfect example of why I absolutely love TV. This show is a masterpiece.
I really loved how Buntaro, Ochiba, Toranaga and Hiromatsu showed their expressions through the eyes in this episode.
Also Omi
@@LeapYearJayYes. He deserves some credit, too. Also, I saw it in an interview that he really shaved his hair for the role..
Poor Fuji, now she also lost her grandpa too…
Thinking the same as you, I'll be like "Oh no Fuji..."
Well, she's a great Onna-Musha, so she understands the way of the samurai and their responsabilties as she's a warrior at the service of Toranaga. And now will understand why his grand father insisted in her living after their lords victory, of course we'll see if her and Mariko survive the combat to enjoy the new world or if they die gloriously in the battle.
Dont worry, after 6 months contract job finish she will follow her family.
fuji : grandpa, i wish to join my husband and son
hiromatsu : how about you just stay alive
and this
@@brutishwing2.090 he’s her uncle
The seppuku scene is all about facial language, facial conversation. It was a silent 'goodbye, my friend. It was an honor" from both their sides. Toranaga actually was sad and blinked back tears for he knew what was coming, it was a pre-planned show for the others. Such a masterpiece! The actors are amazingly magnificent.
I am Japanese. Scenes like this are common among Japanese people. There is a proverb in Japan that says, ``The eyes speak as much as the mouth.''
@@ururainYou guys are a people of hardship and innovation. You have gone through both tragedies and triumphs together. I respect your people a lot.
The scene between Hiromatsu and Toronaga might be one of the best scenes of the show
Of modern TV in general
I was shocked. That didn't happen in the book. 😭
@@christophermurillo7250 oh really? i'm still reading it
best scenes ever.
Buntaro is a complex character. He is hard to like but also hard to absolutely hate. The actor portraying him is doing an amazing job. I hope this leads to other projects for him where he can continue to show his range.
I think Hiromatsu guessed Tironaga's plan. I feel like they know each other so well, Hiromatsu figured it out and made a play to solidify his plan. I don't think Tironaga ever planned on sacrificing Hiromatsu, but he understood what Hiromatsu was doing when he started his act. You can see the tears in his eyes. That's also why Hiromatsu told Buntaro not to give up on Tironaga even if it looks like he gave up.
toranaga bro 😅
Hiromatsu gave the ultimate sacrifice for his friend to become Shogun.
I feel like Hiromatsu didn't have to get himself killed enable to support his Lord. If he truly died that way historically, that's even more sad.
@@theawesomeman9821 If he didn't kill himself, he would become a Ronin.
@@theawesomeman9821 Hiro saw that the other generals were about to rebel, so he made the ultimate move to defuse the situation
茶室の中で上下関係が無く、客、主人の関係があるだけという規則がある。だから厳しい事も言える。
前チャプターでは「私の命は夫の手の中にありまする」というようなことを虎永と文太郎の前で言っていたものの、文太郎は鞠子の本音が聞きたくて茶室を選んだのでしょうね
Yes, "In the tea room, there is no hierarchy of status," and even the lord bows his head as a guest. This is an important code of the sadou/tea ceremony. In the drama, the code worked very well.
Buntaro asking his father to follow him in death, Hiromatsu answering to his son no slowly turning to look at him “you will know what it is to be denied” thinking of Mirako. Excellent!!
Hiromatsu was a straight-up G!!! RIP
So that part was translated as " denied". While watching it in Japanese, it could be taken as Toranaga who is not allowed to die.
buntaro is the most layered character in this show. I don't know whether to like him or not!
While also being denied death by Mariko
What Mariko said to Buntaro is maybe the most brutal thing I’ve ever heard one human say to another. Somehow this show got me tearing up for a wife beater. That’s absolutely epic
I'd commit seppuku right away after that
Yea, immidiate suppuku after what she said
I was kinda waiting for a semi-apology from him ... given they both believe they're about to die, but he couldnt even manage that :/
Yep, mariko is for the streets
She was opposed to their marriage in the first place; no amount of atonement or apology from Buntaro was going to soften Mariko's heart.!!! She cut his ass with the utmost softness and skill!!! You go, Mariko-sama.❤❤❤
I shouldn't feel bad for Buntaro, but he really went through it this episode. He got told off by both his wife and his dad. His actor really did a masterful job.
It sucks there won't be enough individual acting awards available because they're all so good.
Stop putting value value to awards they mean nothing
@@CausallyExplainedIt may mean nothing to us consumers, but it’ll certainly matter to people in the film industry and help boost the careers of the actors, writers, costume designers etc. involved with the project.
@@funnerz its all paid and bought, even they don't care than the momentary spotlight. Look at Rythem & Hues the company that won Oscar and gone bankrupt. Its a horrible metric to choose and pick an artist based on their awards. Its will always be flawed and should mean nothing, Choose based on the merit on screen not some name tag or shiny piece of metal.
Buntaro's actor is doing an amazing job. He and so many other actor's are killing it. That tea ceremony scene was so emotiona, both actor's killed it.
Buntaro and Ochiba's facades cracking and showing their own hurt and emotions breaking through their eightfold fences were some really incredible moments from this episode. What powerful actors.
Massive S/O to all the Actors, Writer Shannon Goss & Director Emmanuel Osei-Kuffour who absolutely knocked this episode out of the park!
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The Lord: Love your neighbor
Father Alvito : 😟
Gin's girls: Heyyyyy :D
Courtesans are better neighbors than christians. They killed a lot less people too.
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Specially wash the feet of a prostitute. (Idk if that’s catholic Jesus or what not, sorry I’m not familiar with western religions at all)
im deadd
Dude… Hiroyuki Sanada. Talk about being able to act!! He did an incredible job in being able to actually sell that scene at the end there. That is, of course, if I’m reading in between the lines in the sense that he was actually trying to do that. He knew his friend had to make the sacrifice in order to move up on the board for the campaign of what’s to come in the future. I can only now imagine what that scene is going to be like with Fuji when she learns of what happened.
He is so good
The acting in this show is just mindblowingly good. It deserves all the awards.
Wow just wow. The way sanada-sama's voice broke when he talked about his fallen friend. OMG amazing acting and tension. Was balling during the tense scenes. Buntaro had the worst week ever!
I don’t think Hiroyuki Sanada has ever been the main lead of any show or even movie, at least not here in the US. If not it’s been long due and he has absolutely killed it in Shogun. Honestly, all the actors have just been killing their roles. Especially given the fact that they have to convey so much using only expressions and body language rather than words. The understated dialogue combined with the masterful facial expressions and body language is excellent.
The exchange between Toranaga and Hiromatsu was a master class in acting in both dialogue and expression. The fact that the Japanese language sounds so impactful, especially when emotion is injected into it, just brings that much more to the scene. If this show were in English it would have been such a disappointment, it definitely wouldn’t have had near the same impact. So many actors deserve awards for their performances.
This show is definitely one of the best ever made, and especially in modern TV.
this should be hiroyuki's "the godfather", in terms of awards
This show deserves all awards. Everybody is so excellent. They must be proud to be part of this.
I have spent the past 8 Tuesdays waking up at 7 am to watch Shōgun and then wait patiently for you guy’s video!!! My week is not complete without starting my day off hearing the John Blackthorn voice 😂
You missed it in the reaction, but I'm amazed there wasn't an audible "clang" when Ochiba's shields went back up. That was some next level eye acting.
The entire principal cast delivered a master class in acting this week. Profoundly moving, totally engrossing. This show is amazing.
観終わった後しばらく身体が動きませんでした。それぞれの登場人物に思いを巡らせていると涙がでました。
広松の死に様は美しい。
He use the death of his own son and a life of his life long friend to built a stepping stones to victory. that is cold as fuck but also require the strongest heart.
Omi is like one of the best characters on this show. I thought he would be a throwaway character, but he's become one of my favorites. An incredible arc.
That plan from toranaga make them believe to surrender
Madness episode 🔥🔥🔥
As a foreigner living in Japan, the scene where the priest comes to correct John's Japanese resonated so much lol. There are so many people who try to prove their Japanese is better than the other foreigner's, such a wild but interesting aspect of living in Japan haha.
You really feel for Buntaro in this episode, the women he loves doesn't love him and he had to help his father end himself
Let's not forget he plays punchmate with Mariko every now and then.
@@paulabarquez1252he’s not a good person but I get reminded of Jaimie Lannister when I think of him. You root for him because his intentions can be correct but his way of getting there is extremely flawed
This is (by leaps and bounds) the best show I've seen on TV. You guys do a great job of reacting and then analyzing the episodes.
The scene where Hiromatsu commits seppuku to sell the lie is so intense that I did not appreciate how masterful the score was in that moment.
The score really heightened the stakes
Best series I've watched for a long long time, the tension, the twists, the acting, the visuals, all of it is top class 👌
We all want to see Buntaro got the repercussion for his actions.
The show managed to give us the karma for Buntaro for the cruelest way possible: Having to kill his own father and being rejected death just like Mariko.
RIP Grandpa Hiromatsu😢
Worst part of this episode: No Fuji 😢
Lots of emotions ran thru me in this episode like whoa!!. What a show, and what a bunch of amazing actors!! Eagerly awaiting the next episode!!
Only 2 More Chapters to Go!! What was your FAVORITE Moment from Episode 8??
When Mariko gave herself to John and kept it secret. She actually loves and adores him
Hiromatsu's death .
i’m going to be a little let down if Yabushige doesn’t have the greatest death ever 😂
That guy is obsessed with death! The most amusing character in the show! You are right. He should go out in the most epic way possible!
This show is incredible.
Great Reaction John and Andrew! This episode was great! 👍
Yabushige keeping a book for ranking deaths is the most Yabushige thing ever lmaoooo
I always look forward to your reactions because you have an appreciation for the cinematography and scenes, as well as the genuine reactions.
Yabushige would not leave Edo aboard John Blackthorne’s ship unless he was sure that Toranaga was going to surrender. Toranaga wanted Yabushige to move the ship and the weapons, but it had to appear like it was all Yabushige’s decision and not a war move by Toranaga. At the end of Shōgun episode 8, when Yabushige and Blackthorne were already aboard the Englishman’s ship, Lady Mariko arrived with a message from Toranaga. Whatever Toranaga’s battle plan is, it involves John Blackthorne and his ship.
He definitely has a plan for Blackthorne and Yabushige.
Sending the guns back on the ship is a ruse to get the guns back aboard the ship.
This episode scored Toranaga Sama an Emmy.
20:50 So cunning. Toranaga knows the geishas won't have a problem working next to a Christian church, but the father definitely will, so he will leave without directly expelling him.
yup self deport
That stare into Toronaga's soul. . .
Ishido shootin' his shot, Ochiba, saying, "Air Ball!!" Lol
GOLLY this show, every episode is better and better and better!!
Speechless! Brilliant! Epic! Authentic! Talk about playing the long game.
John and Andrew my ❤
Hiro: "Your vassal dies in vain!"
Tora: *"Then die!"*
There were 11 sailors of the Erasmus left - including John - after the Captain-General had shot himself and one of their mates was boiled alive be Yabushige. The ship and its crew is Dutch not Skandinavian. Easy to remember because the ship is named after Erasmus of Rotterdam. a famous Dutch philosopher and pioneer of enlightenment, the very principle the constitution of the United States is based on.
So an interesting question that was probably left intentionally ambiguous: did Nagakado attack the half brother on his own, or was it discussed with Toranaga in advance? The answer to that question has a huge impact on how to feel about Toranaga. His thank you to Nagakado at the pyre was vague enough that it can be interpreted either way.
Nagakado's death gave them 49 days right? If he had succeeded in killing Toranaga's brother (he was certainly trying to) it would've been a very different outcome. I'm not sure how Toranaga could've planned this
This episode was really intense, just the build up of it all. Even going so far as to confuse the viewers because I fully believed that Toranaga was faking and he really had a plan, and then Toranaga just sits back and watches his best friend Hiromatsu commit sepuku and at that point I think damn maybe he really is done for because no way he just let that happen, then they show he really does have a plan. Craziness all around; sidenote Toranaga giving the church a patch of land right next to the land for the brothel had me laughing so hard, a big fat F U to the church.
I absolutely laughed out loud when I saw that. What a wicked sense of humour Toranaga has.
There is a proverb in Japan that says, ``Before deceiving your enemy, first deceive your friends.'' The death of his son (so he doesn't even attend the funeral) and the seppuku of his chief vassal are all part of his ploy to say, ``I have no intention of going against Osaka.'' The chief vassal saw through the lord's plans and made the plan a success with his own death.
It was great episode. It would be funny, in the scene when Blackthorne was walking away from the crew member and the crew member yelled Hey Pilot and he turned around and started speaking Japanese LOL
I love this show so much
Hiromatsu will not give him any more days. His sacrifice was to mislead everyone.
Although, I'm assuming from Mariko's reaction a few episodes back after he hit her, that it wasn't the first time Buntaro had used his wife as a punching bag. She obviously felt her verbal brutality was warranted.... And look how cutting her words were & how expertly she OWNED him without cowardly lifting a hand to _him._ 😊
I think the Daiyoin is the one who drugged Ochiba and helped her pregnant. According to Ochiba, it was a harrowing experience. However, I think it's complicated for Ochiba because that also gave her power and status. Without the Daiyoin, she being a concubine without bearing son(s) would have given her a precarious life.
Omi was amazing this episode.
A steady chain of confessions 🤣
Man this show is really giving me goosebumps. The japanese would really give their life away for a bluff. That tells you about the honor and loyalty and pride of the japanese people. Fascinating is an understatement.
Yes Omi and Nagakado definitely were friends.
I do feel like I appreciate what this show has achieved in terms of rounding out Buntaro and making him feel more human and giving greater nuance to their relationship. That being said though no amount of coldnesss on her part makes beating her, or being abusive towards her okay.
I kept thinking to myself that there would be no way Toranaga will let Hiromatsu commit seppuku. One can't simply expect what Toranaga would do 🙂
My headcanon is that Hiromatsu intentionally made Buntaro “second” him and denied Buntaro’s death to teach him a lesson.
He could have picked anyone like Omi or Yabushige but he chose Buntaro because Buntaro is his son and he wanted Buntaro to understand how Mariko feels.
That’s the exact same thought that popped into my mind when I watched that scene for the first time!! I really do think he was tired of watching his son destroy himself and his family and treating Mariko poorly for the past actions of her father that he wanted him to know exactly what she felt like.
But goddamn this guy went through the wringer this episode!!! I mean 90% of his family is dead, his brother is dead (Fuji’s dad), his great nephew is dead, his wife hates him, his son is scared of him, he lost a lot of his friends, he lost the respect anyone had for him, and now he’s lost his father. OMG and what is Fuji going to do when she finds out!!!! Poor thing
@@logandevereux5076 Buntaro would have been much better off if he had died helping Toronaga escape. He would have died with honour and remembered as such.
Mariko is SAVAGE! Truly the abyss of life
I n Japan there are famous formulaic poems that describes the personalities of the three major generals. (Hototogisuー Lesser cuckoo )
Nobunaga: If it won't cry, kill it, Hototogisu.
Hideyoshi: If it won't cry, let it cry.
Ieyasu: If it won't sing, let's wait until it does
I think the nature of Ieyasu (Toranaga) is fully depicted in the drama Shogun.
盟友 (Meiyuu)
Director Emmanuel Osei-Kuffour well done!!
is awesome to watch the Buntaro character: a real person, a human with light and shadows. He is an asshole, but the circunstances made him. he feels alone, he cant show his emotions, he do the job that is encomended to him everytime, but the one who have to support him doesnt do it. So he resent that, he hate that, and pour that hate on the weaker. The actor is awesome.
Building a church side by side with a brothel, that's wild
Mariko is ruthless in this episode:
Buntaro: Remember how happy we were when we first met?
Mariko: No!
Buntaro: Are you still under the Anjin's spell?
Mariko: (silence without denial)
Buntaro: Shall we die together?
Mariko: Not with you in a thousand years
Blackthorne: Loyal turns senseless if I have to kill myself
Mariko: Are you serving me warning notice?
Even Kiku is not playing game:
Kiku: Serving my mistress is my greatest pride (not pillowing you, mate)
Great episode⚡⚡
Best show ever
There is a reason why that scene made the entire cast cry
49 days
is 7 x 7 weeks
In Buddhism, 7x7 49 days is the time it takes for a person’s soul to enter the next reincarnation after death.
Best episode of season
hiromatsu knew exactly what lord tora was on . THATS WHY HE SAID STAY ALIVE TO HIS SON
Love your reactions
i'm obsessed with Mariko, she is so amazing i can't wait to see the plan next week!
They are two people who are very smart, mature, and reliable for a civilized society. I was happy, thank you.
I just love being inside japanese culture. Its a polar opposite of american culture, which is really refreshing
In Japan at the time, there was a custom called ``諌死'' in which a vassal would die to warn a lord if he failed. This led Osaka to believe that Toranaga was serious about surrendering, and that he was willing to do so even if his vassals died. Also, the ``person who cannot die'' refers to Toranaga. Historically, Toranaga was a feudal lord, but since he was an only child, he always made many sacrifices to survive the country. That's how they made peace.
虎長に降伏する氣などありません、それは廣正も語っています。大阪側を欺く為に降伏するように見せかけているのです。そうしないと全員に死の危険が。大阪側のスパイが周りにいる事を考え家臣に署名させるなど敵を欺く為、廣正は、疑われないよう降伏する事に抗議するかのように命を差し出しました。全て虎長の為。虎長もこれを理解し、切腹をとめる事はできなかった、心の中で泣いていたでしょう。虎長の野心は変わってはいない。二人だけが分かり合える悲しい場面でした。
And yes, those caps are where Links cap comes from.
It's like when you're playing chess and you sacrifice your highest ranking piece.
I 100% think that was Hiromatsu's idea, and he proposed it to Toranaga before the meeting. There was something about the eye-acting when you watch it again knowing what Toranaga revealed to Mariko in their ending scene.
Andrew Daddy is my King and I'll accept no other. 👑👑
And they’ve made Ishido such a simpy little…
what mariko said to buntaro is basically a prime example of "The worst she can say is no" I've ever heard/read
Is this show any good ? Thinking to watch
Not watching this show is a treason!
@@PROVOCATEURSK what r u talking about? I didn't do anything
@@Topdealmaker He's just referencing the show. Meaning it's a MUST watch. Go see it and you'll understand that comment
Hiromatsu had to commit seppuku because he miscalculated Toranaga's decision. He told the other Lords beforehand and was so convinced that Toranaga will fight, but was surprised to find out later, that he already decided. In the last effort to make Toranaga change his mind, and to save face, Hiromatsu threatened seppuku. So both did the ultimate sacrifice.
Toranaga gave a church site next to the brothel area.
This means not allowing the construction of a church from the beginning.
Hiramatsu's seppuku is not begging for his life, but a plea in exchange for his life.
Loyalty refers to vassals like Hiramatsu.
The emotions of this episode are also felt by Japanese people.
The content was quite risqué, difficult to understand, deep, and interesting.
Hiromatsu is supposed to be based on Hosokawa Fujitaka but his actions seems to represent Torii Mototada.
What a fascinating and tragic Ochiba must have had with the Daiyoin. On the one hand she made her go through *unspeakable things* to get pregnant by the man who violently replaced her father, but on the other hand she gave her the means by which to have all the power and influence she now has, and has (from what we've seen) treated her well and kindly. She must have hated and loved her at the same time.
Fun(?) fact--we still hold services to mourn the dead after 49 days in Japan
who is working tirelessly in the background to coordinate the plan with other allies of toronaga? of course, toronaga's prized samurai who acted as spy in izu.
Andrew Blackthorn returns!
Mariko and buntaro relationship is toxic on both ends. Hes definitely a rash person and has angre issues. He knows he was married way avobe his league and he adores her. You just have to notice the way he looks at her. That makes him unable to grant her death. He loves her in a selfish way and don't want to loose her even if that's what she wants. Sho on the other side is obsessed with dying, but it's too proud to do it in an unhonorable way. She could kill herself any moment without permission but she wants to do it honorably. She knows his husband's flaws and pushes his buttons trying to get killed by his hand. It's all a big messy tragedy.
Quick question. Did Hiromatsu and Toranaga pre-plan the theatrics from the start; or did they have an understanding of what must be done in the heat of the moment? tell me your theories!
Seems more like in the heat of the moment
It's when one of the disagreeing lords started to move the hilt of his sword did Hiromatsu really go all in. He knew he had to do it to defuse a potentially explosive situation to ensure the plan goes on.
@@jasonwycheung I see you were paying attention to every detail. Im glad you noticed it.
any japanese nerds out there can confirm if the bridge they crossed at the beginning was the nihonbashi bridge?