Grandal runs into the throw on purpose, a breakdown
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So it's not intentionally getting in the way, as long as you intentionally start off getting the way. Got it.
As long as you consistently get in the way, yes.
He established the path before the throw
Certainly seems like he tracked what the trajectory the ball would be taking to get home and put himself in front of it.
@@elcidS15 To quote Grandal, "I told the guys in the dugout, 'It was just good baserunning', we will leave it at that"
Perfectly put. If you intentionally got in the way from the beginning of your run, it’s unintentionally getting in the way.
If you obstruct the base path while running, it’s not considered an out if the scoring runner allows the home plate umpire to hump him after scoring, which is why the call stood
OMG 😂😂😂😂😂 thanks for that! Lmao
😂😂😂
That makes so much sense
It's all in the fine print.
This was great because I was invested in a getting a real explanation or something and then bam left turn right in to it, you got me.
I can’t believe that literally casting magical spells on your opponents is legal in baseball.
Using wands to cast magic is illegal, but nothing in the rules says you cant use your cane. LOOPHOLE!
It's a legacy rule left over from when baseball was ruled over by an Oligarchy of aging sorcerers
Are you sure you can't believe it? It's MLB.
I laughed so hard 🤣🤣🤣
@@lofigaming1092 just be sure to counterspell the right guy
“ if everyone could lower their heads you can hear me better.” Classic Jomboy.
That was an instant LOL moment when they all actually did that in unison.
this had me legit crying laughing
I thought it was a hilarious quote then the umps actually did it😂😂😂
I was dying when I saw the head motion after that.
My wife thought I was nuts for laughing out loud at a YT video.
She doesn't understand.
Greinke, a wizard with a magical cane and a table topped umpire. My day is saved.
I'm just wondering why Dusty Baker looks like a create-a-player with all the accessories equipped.
@@RAZGR1Z YOOOO HE DO 😂
And your comment just got to 100 likes, even better
If only it woulda bn Joe West, woulda made my day!
@@RAZGR1Z LMAO 👍👍
It's amazing that with so many rules baseball actually has hardly any rules
They're all unwritten
@Jameer Nelson no, unwritten rules are a thing, just look at hockey
No. This is an obvious rule. The umps just fucked up.
It’s a ton of rules for the batter and pitcher usually
The crazy thing is that even if the runner is called out the guy running to home would still be safe so long as he was already halfway and there's an out to spare. So breaking the rules can still grant the run lol
“Just watch Jomboy’s breakdown, Dusty. He’ll explain it better than I can.”
Dusty Baker saw almost the same play unwind before his eyes in 1981. This is the infamous not-called interference on Reggie Jackson during the Yankees@Dodgers World Series. I’m sorry, I don’t remember the game #, but I know it was in L.A. That case seemed even more egregious than this, but the umpires ruled in New York’s favor. Ultimately didn’t matter, because the Dodgers won the series.
@@MarcosElMalo2 reggie jackson at yankee stadium.
game 4 in 1978
@@MarcosElMalo2 Wrong World Series. Jackson threw a hip check into the ball that would have made Geordie Howe proud.
@@MarcosElMalo2 As mentioned above it was game 4 in '78. The Yankees actually went on to win the game in extra innings and the series in 6.
Jomboy can even read lips, when the person is wearing a mask... unbelievable.
Hell, I can read lips of people wearing masks, with their backs turned, standing in a dark stadium, from 100 yards away, so long as no one who was actually there happens to be here.
U thought he wore it because of COVID?! 😂
@@Frostshokula not one single person said covid... except you.
Cry babies always know what others are thinking and saying.
No doubt in my mind he’s cool with the guys from Bad Lip Reading
He's a catcher
He knew.exactly what was going on. Ground ball to 1st, play at the plate. Hog the line inside grass.
It is a heads-up play. Smart catcher.
1st base just gets pissed and rifles ball into grass runners face next time.
@@TimTayl I played baseball to the minors, I was a middle infielder. I was taught since high school that on a double play if the runner coming to second doesn’t slide to just let it rip as normal, which will crack them around the chin/ chest area, because that’s the natural aiming point. Don’t see why this is different.
@Throg That behavior won’t make it to any competitive level of baseball, which is why you don’t see pros doing it on double plays. The fact you’d rather take a ball off the chin then give up an out is absurd. “Cool you broke up the double play, now you’re out for the rest of the season with a broken face”
@@drossi101 Any competitive player would take a ball to the chest if it meant advancing a runner 1-2 bases for free, that's just not a good idea whatsoever unless you want to lose the game
Only because Dusty was wearing a mask we didn't get the, "That's HORSESHIT!" translation. I am sure he had to say it.
what is going on with dusty’s get up?
@@countrycorner9337 idk he's been wearing it since the season start, I mean he's old and covid is like a death sentence for old people ig
@@ccard4 if he’s vaccinated at this point he shouldn’t be so worried about an outdoor sport tho lol
@@lsandjs9793 yeah but he dripping tho 🥶
@@lsandjs9793 Cubs had 2 or 3 players go on IL the last few days of the season, who were vaccinated. Astros were playing in Chicago; that might have something to do with it. But yes, I wouldn't be so covered up, either.
Greinke had such a respect for baseball and it's rules. Objects when it's necessary and fair, but backs off when told. Just goes back and does his job. Massive props to him, love him, want to see more.
He cheated with the astros wtf?
@@EsveePaulFedSlayer the pitchers didn't really cheat did they? Like being an Astro and not telling anyone sure that's cheating but he didn't directly cheat
@@nickymolitoris799 You don't remember? Greinke almost won a quad crown in 2017.
Greinke just looks like the type of guy to take advantage of his situations. Smart heads up guy.
He was with the dbacks in 2017
Jomboy is better than literally everyone on ESPN. It’s almost shocking how much better he is
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Part of the reason he's so much better, is because he can say whatever he wants to, on TH-cam. He would also likely suck on ESPN, because they would hamstring him.
People who actually love a thing, and are not corporate, are better.
How is that shocking, again?
Just imagine if baseball commentators were anywhere close to this informative and funny, people would actually watch baseball.
I agree. Even ESPN forgets the White Sox exists.
"Everyone lower ur heads a little bit" dang that synch was crisp tho
Was not
Forty plus years of watching this sport, and I still see things happen in games for the first time. That's my favorite thing about baseball.
really? seeing this scummy shit has ruined baseball for me. seems like crappy players will do anything for W, its sickening.
@@benrodir2 no rules were broken, unlike when the Asstros cheated.
I think this was a new one for a lot of the people in the game, like the managers.
@@benrodir2 - Apparently, it’s legal, so what are you complaining about?
@@benrodir2 Nothing about this is scummy. This is well within the rules. This is far from the first time it has happened, and it will continue to happen because the runner establishes their path. He wasn't running on the outside of the line, then made a hard left to get in the way. He was on the inside the entire time. Don't blame him for getting hit, blame the first baseman for not making a better throw.
“Everyone, can you lower your heads so you can hear me better.” *Simultaneously all lower heads*
“Thank you”
Timed to perfection 🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah, if it was said in realtime, not timed on a made up replay video LOL
Bro he edited the video himself of course its timed to perfection.
I assume they meant how they all lowered their heads at the same time.. unless you’re joking but I honestly can’t tell lol
You know this wasn't live, right?
bro has 4 people replying straight up ruining the joke, fuckin goofballs 🤣
AJ Pierzynski being in the booth for this was perfect cuz this is 100% a move he would pull in his career
Except AJ even said that was dirty
White Sox catchers stick together
@@DirtyD07 yeah but if you don’t think that doesn’t mean AJ would’ve absolutely done it anyways then you don’t fully remember what kinda player aj was
@@ericsimon1947 Totally agree. Aj would always do the weird little stuff to win. Has a really good knowledge of what you can “technically” do.
hahahahaha that's baseball!
My compliments to Jomboy on his excellent recent effort at explaining/clarifying the rules for his viewers in his recent videos. And I'm not being sarcastic, promise. A lot of people watch these videos, and it's great that Jomboy can continue to be entertaining and *also* do some actual education of the viewers, because a lot more people will watch his videos (and hopefully learn about the rules) than the videos that actually discuss the rules on plays such as these. Attaboy, Jomboy.
This is especially important for people who think they know the rules, but don’t.
I was a certified high school umpire, now retired; this MLB crew got it wrong, sadly. Batter/runner can be in fair territory there, but not outside the 3 foot baseline. Being out of the base path, whether the batter makes a specific move to swat at the ball or something such in that case is moot. It was interference.
If batter was in legal base path, then umpire would be correct. I didn't watch this game live, but I have not seen if the crew looked at a replay or not. They should have, I think.
@@rayrussell6258 There is no base path the runner must be in. Until a tag is attempted. the runner can run wherever he pleases. The umpires were right. Running in the grass is not illegal and there was no interference with the throw.
@@rayrussell6258 It is my understanding that the 3-foot rule only applies when a fielder is attempting to apply a tag and that it does not apply in any other situation.
@@rayrussell6258 if you were a high school umpire, then this is a rule you didn't learn correctly. this would not be interference under NFHS rules either. the runner's chosen path is just as legal in high school as it is here. there is no base path the runner is expected to run in, unless the ball is being fielded TO first base.
I love that you went back to look at other times he ran to first, even though it didn’t matter. But that rule needs modified. Bc in that case you could make a loop from home to pitchers mound as long as you don’t “do anything intentionally” I’m not a fan of either team so in my opinion, he made it intentional by being over 3 feet away from the baseline.
There is no "baseline" or base path he needs to be in. it is not illegal to run on the grass.
@@alanhess9306 So essentially if someone is on third going for home and you are the batter, you can stand in front of the catcher to make sure your guy gets home safe. Not the intent of the rule but that is how it can and was abused.
@@PurpleMcNuggets If we are talking about a pitch, yes the batter can stay in the box and has the right to swing at the pitch.
I think the rule should be modified too. They should change it to the runner has to be running in the direction of the base. The lane he took, if extended out, would go right into the first baseman not even close to first base.
@@bearsvision5697 agreed.
All I can say is... expect this rule to be changed this off-season. He intentionally, unintentionally interfered with intentional aspirations
it was a very well done play he knew the ball was gonna be thrown at first or home so he got in the way at the start
I doubt it’ll be changed. Because the base path rule for first base comes in two parts. Establishing your base path to start which is on the grass. The second part to that is half way down the line he has to get to the outside of the foul line. So because the play happened in the first 45ft of Grandal running it is legal. Them changing the base path rule will inhibit righties from ever running on the grass. Putting them at a disadvantage and potentially cause them to be out instantly because they’d have to in theory step on home plate to get to that outer half right away.
@@TheSemiAnnualAthlete No! The change can be made such that if the ball does not hit you, do whatever you want to do; but if the ball hits you while you are on the grass, you are out. A righty runns 1 step on the grass would not touch the incoming ball.
@@TheSemiAnnualAthlete I personally hope it's changed, coming out of the batters box, the player has plenty of room to run in the base path. If a player purposely runs inside the base path on the grass, like what happened in this case, then the player should be called out for interference.
Forget about the current rule.
What is your opinion, rule change or what?
@@johnvisconti3010 i say you would have to come up with a special rule for lefties because if it’s a general rule it affects righties
Tom Hallion after the umps bowed their heads:
"Our ass is in the jackpot now"
Haha, classic ejection.
that's from the time w Collins calling him a cocksucker
@@meddlingmage23 yeah that was hilarious
Haha 😂
@@meddlingmage23 Terry Terry Terry Terry Terry Terry, you know the situation!
I dont even watch baseball but I love watching jomboy recaps and anything with greinke and a comments section. Pure gold.
“Everyone if you could lower your heads a little bit to hear me better”
Everyone *lowers head simultaneously*
"Let us pray that this is clearly written about in the rule book so we don't have to wing it."
“Everyone can you lower your heads so you can hear me better?”
The umps: *lowers heads
That’s just funny 😂
😂😂😂😂
Bro, when he hit the “lower your heads for me” and they all joined in unison, I lost it. Beautiful
"intent" should not be a consideration in rules. Too much is left to subjections.
Not really. Impossible to prove that his base path was intentional (though likely). If you see a guy literally interfere like A-Rod slapping the ball out it's a cut and dry situation.
@@jeccdog7584 That's why you have the baseline. If you're not runing on the baseline you should be called out for interference, no matter if it was intentional or not. So yeah, I agree, they should get rid of the subjective enforcement rules.
@@jeccdog7584 With A-rod their is no reason to read intent, he wore that play on his sleeve. Intent is for when we aren't totally sure but it leans heavily one direction or another.
To me, the path that he took while running was an intentional blocking of the ball. Running along that path would serve no other purpose during another baseball play where the ball was hit into the same area and there was not a play at home, or if the ball was hit to another area. Not only is he taking a longer path to get to first base, but whoever covers first base will be in his way when he tries to tag the bag or if a fielder has the ball and tries to tag him out, he is running closer to the fielders that are trying to tag him. The only possible benefit of taking that path is to be in the way of a throw to home plate. Therefore, the intent of taking that running path is to block the ball and that is an intentional act of blocking the ball. I am a Cubs fan, but I honestly have no ill will towards the socks aside from when we play them
the rule should be ammended to just stay in the dirt strip
You sir, helped to bring me back to baseball this year. You do an EFFING fantastic job.
anyone can take a video and come up with commentary, harder to do it live
@@jamesw71 Jomboy is the best at it, which is the main point that flew right over your head.
One of the ways to discourage creative baserunning is to throw the ball directly at the runner's face. Once the baseball determines its path of flight, intentionality cannot be assumed simply because it hit the runner.
I mean if that guy is ready to get his butt whooped then go for it
@@blakemoser7148 lol part of the play 🤣
Baseball is like my wife.
Always coming up with rules that nobody ever heard of.
jomboy has done a similar one already.
@Coding Crusader its stupid since the baseline is already wide enough for the runner, everyone would run like that then if theres a runner on third and they hit a grounder to first
@@arcadeplayer9804 The runner can run wherever he wishes. Why shouldn't they run like that?
And benching you when you don’t perform.
@Coding Crusader Have you ever heard my wife?
1:28 That was probably the most official call I think I've ever seen from a player.
Now that I look back at it its cringe
Man as a lifetime left handed hitter I have never been that far on the inside of the base path. Then momentum of my swing would not allow for my baserunning line to be like that, especially on a ball hit to the right side that pulls your first steps even further to the outside of the base line. Looks and feels intentional...I guess it's within the rules to do it but that's the kind of play that gets rules changed cuz it was awfully obvious.
That's the part where it gets me, if he's a right handed batter, sure, but the fact that he's a lefty, he has no reason to go to the grass... it's like the banana route in the out field, gonna start running at second, oh wait, thats the wrong bag, lets go a little to the right.
@@frimbooze Exactly! No strategic reason to be there, makes it feel even more intentional
The throw hadn't been fielded yet when he took that lane. He was intentionally running in the grass not knowing exactly where the throw was going to be coming from but having a pretty good idea where it was likely going to be coming from.
He didn't intentionally get in the way of the throw, he intentionally ran where the throw (yet to have started) was likely to be. That's not intentionally interfereing
@@coopaloopmex it's allowed intentionally interference.
There is a line, where the intentional interference will not be allowed.
This somehow didn't cross that line
@@revanche1431 the strategic reason for getting in the way was to obstruct the 1st baseman’s view of the catcher. Tactical decision. Smart play.
The close-up of the baseball being thrown by the umpire literally kills me every time
How many lives you got? ;)
It LITERALLY kills you?
@@BobbySacamano a cat wrote this comment
That's not what literally means god damnit.
We're all very curious how you typed this out having literally, died.
Even more bizarre to me is there is no base path until a tag is attempted on the runner. As long as the runner does not make a "travesty of the game," there really is no rule that says he can't run there. He could probably run even further onto the grass.
I've done some umpiring over the years. The whole running out of the base "path" thing is a tricky call to make. Every coach wants it called when they're on defense. I like that you mentioned that a tag has to be "attempted on the runner". Basically after having established his path, deviating(3 feet) from that path once a tag is attempted could be considered running out of the base path. Now what is a "tag attempt"? That's another ball of wax. Some judgment and good common sense by the umpire is required for the running out the base path call to be made.
As for making a "travesty of the game", I've heard of Runners running straight for right field from first on a double steal. It confuses the defense just long enough for the run from third to score. And because no tag attempt has yet been made on the runner from first, the Run could score before the defense can make the out on the runner from first. Technically it's legal but it is a travesty in my opinion.
@@paulalstrom4144 running out of the base path is an easy call to make because there is no base path until a tag is attempted. In all my years of umpiring, I've never been cofused by what constitutes a tag attempt.
I wasn't arguing your comment or coming at you bro. I just was adding my two cents. I don't disagree with you at all
As a sox fan I keep seeing this pop up, just now getting myself to watch it. You’re the man keep it up dude
I burst at the "can you lower your heads a little bit so you can hear me."
Same!! 😂🤣😂
Willie Mays did this a few times when coming down the 3rd base line. He taught Bonds to do it. Similar scenario but different rules
Also, I noticed how Grandal finished his run, he got back inside the baseline as you normally would see. Then, he looks back to see if he was able to mess up the play.
He has per the rules are you relatively free baseline up until 45 feet
@@brendenohaire8959 what?
The synchronized lowering of heads in the umpire ring is pure gold. Even better is the fact that Jomboy picked up on it, zooms in and makes a play by play on the whole thing. 3, 2, 1 boom lowering of heads.
Now that's a wizard right there.
Let's talk about game ending/series concluding check swings (one of the most enigmatic, ambiguous, and subjective things to call) not being reviewable.
Accorcing to Umpire Bible; The first and most important thing to know about the base path is that there is no such thing as a base path (none exists) until a play is made on a runner. The base path is established when a fielder with the ball attempts to tag a runner. Then, and only then, is there a base path. And the base path is a straight line from the runner's position to the base to which he is advancing or retreating.
"If you can hit it for a home run, it's usually a strike."
Can I introduce you to Kirby Puckett.
I’m impressed he decided to help his teammate so fast , by running in the grass.
Somewhat similar to the skunk in the outfield trick. You establish your own baseline and must run straight at the base you are heading towards the moment someone makes a play on you. First base has some extra stuff for the batter-runner but doesn't apply here to a play at home.
“You can’t do that, that’s cheating!” Says the Houston Astros.
HA. Good one.
I don’t know if we can blame Greinke for 2017.
Imagine thinking that knowing a pitch makes you hit harder and launch bombs, but juicing isn’t an issue 😂
Wow. Great take.
@@stevenbertrand7709 someone got triggered
I giggled when he said “ can you run at the pitcher? No”
Absolutely correct call👍
He didn't throw his arm out on purpose, he threw his whole body out on purpose.
His body was already there. It was nothing more than a bad throw by F3.
@@alanhess9306 So if he hits a grounder up the middle he should run towards the pitchers mound? Out of the baseline should be out of the baseline.
@@connorcoultas9629 doesn’t matter as long as he stays true to his route going to first base, and makes no attempt that can be conveyed as him intentionally knocking or deflecting the ball in flight.
@@davidreyling9687 how do you stay 'true to your route' when your route is a curved line? his true route would have took him to right field.
@@MrMatt713 once he established his route he did not deviate from that route. His route he established was on the infield grass. It does not matter how he ended up being there.
I think the big thing to note is it looks like he established that base path before the ball was thrown. Since he established that he was running down the grass and didn't move into the way of a ball that was already thrown he is entitled to that line.
Yeah, because his coaches taught him to do this in a situation like this. In baseball, you drill things over and over to the point where when a ball is hit, you know EXACTLY what you are going to do in virtually every circumstance. You are in a state of infinite actions at once, depending on where and how the ball is hit determines what your action ends up being.
So if you think that he didn't have a plan to intentionally run into the path of the ball as soon as it was hit(he CAN see the trajectory of the ball off the bat, and he can use where he is standing as a point of reference), you're not only delusional, you just know absolutely nothing about baseball.
He clearly takes steps to the left FOR NO REASON as soon as the ball is hit. Because he knows that will legally put him in the path of the play.
@@ThePdog3k And? Did he intentionally take this line? Of course he did. He knew what he was doing. But the main fact is that he established it as his base path immediately. He didn't take a side step to it while the ball was being thrown or right afterwards to correct to his more natural line. He picked it and continued on with it.
@@ThePdog3k obviously he knew what he was doing. He made a fair, smart play. I don't get why people want "the rules changed" - - yeah, take the few remaining possibilities for interesting strategy left in baseball away.. That will do so much good. If it were up to people like you, they'd only be allowed to move on the x and y axis, would have to bend the knee to at least 100 degrees on every step, and have two fingers on the seams for every throw otherwise it's "illegal"... Leave it. Leave some fun and surprise/unexpectedness in the game, please
The base path is established when a tag attempt is being made, so technically he could run anywhere he wants. If a tag is attempted then the base line is a straight like to the base plus or minus three feet to the left and right.
Astros can’t complain about cheating
When will people just shut up and get over this?
We’re not, what the fk….What a kook statement.
@@LCSClips22 I still think that Astros didn’t cheat bro
@@LCSClips22 I smell a salty Astros fan😭 better to lose honorably then have to cheat to win mister
True story
1) There is no base bath until there is an attempt to tag. "Skunk in the outfield" is a good example.
2) It is not a runners lane interference because that only applies to a play at 1st.
3) Since there was no intention to interfere and no attempt to tag. The play is legit.
Used to do this all the time when the situation came up. Similar to busting up a double play at second - back in the day
This exact thing happened to my team in a little league game back in the 1990s. It was the city championship game. Our coach was pissed and wanted the interference call but the umps said the same thing these umps did. The kid who scored on the play was the tying run and the batter ended up on 2nd base. He then scored the winning run when the next kid singled to right field.
Are you sure it was the 1990s? Not the 1890s? Or the 1790s? Or even the 2090s?!
Jomboy refuses to do breakdowns involving the Astros, unless it's something not in their favor... or if Greinke is involved. This one was both.
Do you blame him?
@@vinnygi I don't blame him. It's his channel. He's free to make or not make videos featuring whichever teams he wants. I feel like he's missed out on some interesting moments that would've been worthy of breakdowns and I would've enjoyed his lip-read edits on them... but I get it, he's a Yankee, and an Astro hater. He's made that well known. To each their own.
Yea he’s a an Astro hater and it’s gonna keep being like that because the Astros are gonna keep being the Yankees daddies
@@humbertocantu1986 that and everytime theres a houston recap the comment section is flooded with comments of them cheating a series win.
Red Sox - Astros ALCS is a real kick to the d-- I guess we’ll be seeing Dodgers-Braves breakdowns coming up.
Omg. The magical cane works well !🤣😂🤣
I think its alot more difficult to become an ump then alot of people think, I mean look at all the rules you would have to study and know, and then recognize those rules within a spilt second with everything else going on
Yeah its almost like something as crucial as that job shouldnt be left up to old fat retarded men and should be relegated to a machine...
Becoming an ump is difficult. STAYING an ump, no matter now shitty you are is apparently easy.
Right hander running in the base line who's trying to get back to fair territory to touch first: OUT. This guy who intentionally interferes with the play: SAFE
Nonsense. A runner in the lane is protected from interference. The runner can run wherever he wants and he did not interfere. You don't know wtf you are talking about.
@@alanhess9306 I think they might be talking about the Trea Turner incident, pump the brakes
for a play at first, the runner has the 3 feet in foul territory and must be there in the final 45 feet of the base path, and has 1 step in fair territory when getting to the bag. Trae Turner took more than 1 step in fair territory. Hes out, its the rules and they are fine rules. Know them and use them to your advantage. The throw could've been better here and the runner was burned.
@@atk237 its ok, can't fix stupid
@@atk237 Totally different situation.
i don't know anything about baseball and i saw this by chance. i have a question. so it's legal for the guy to veer off the line and make a detour, get hit by a ball-successfully changing the trajectory of the ball, resulting in his team getting the run. now my question is...would it be legal if the...1st baseman? threw the ball at his face on accident? so as long as the throw was in motion establishing its own baseline heading towards his skull...thats legal right? it's not like the 1st basemen wants to throw the ball at him but he happened to be in the way. of the ball's path.
Jomboy is so good at lip reading he was able to read what Dusty said through his mask. Love it.
The base path (base line is something different and a field of play definition) is established on a tag attempt. Sure the runner can run directly at the pitcher… he can run anywhere he wants until someone tries to tag him.
See the “skunk in the outfield” play (tldr runner on 1st and 3rd. R1 baits a play by taking his lead off into the outfield)
He can't run at the pitcher, that would be abandoning efforts to advance to the next base.
You might want to reread 5.09(b)(2) again. First, it only applies after the runner has touched 1st base.
Second, if you read the comment then you would know how it still wouldn’t be abandoning his attempt to run the bases.
I met Dusty Baker at a charity golf tournament I worked a few years ago. Talk about a humble human being! He was so awesome. Took a few minutes to chat with me (the help) and talk about some Giants days. And...he gave me a high five!
The way to fix this is to establish a uniform infield around the entire league, and then constrict the running to within the dirt base path for all plays. That way, no matter what, if a running touches the grass they are out. The grass is lava.
Or just not allow runners in fair territory on the first base line. There is literally no reason to running fair territory other than to interfere with plays down the line. Especially for a left handed batter.
There is nothing that needs to be fixed except for maybe a better throw from F3. The runner can run wherever he wishes.
@@alanhess9306 just stop typing. We all watched the video and know the rule... doesn't change the fact that it is a shit rule and should be changed.
@@mellamojay2 There are obviously a bunch of dimwits commenting here who do not know the rule.
@@mellamojay2 No, they rule doesn't need to be changed.
If he continued on that line he would have missed first base by two to three feet. I get that he can create his own lane but that lane has to (read “should”) lead to a base.
@@kqatsi even you don't believe your bullshit comment
@@kqatsi If it was a play to first, he would be out. Makes zero sense to change it going the other way. The base path up first, is to the outside of the baseline for a reason... Sure things can happen to take you inside of that, but if you obstruct a play while outside the designated base path, it should be an out. The INTENT is even questionable. I think it is a bogus call and goes against the spirit of the rules.
Ps- Jays fan so I have no skin in the game.
Yeah, hips don't move laterally to have the foot hit a 15 inch bag inside the baseline.
@@truenorth2653 There is no base path the runner needs to be in until a tag is attempted. The runner can run where he pleases.
@@truenorth2653 Maybe all 4 bases should have a 3 ft. runners lane going the entire distance between each base. Just write a letter to the commissioner and let him know. This could be a huge improvement!
clear, simple, fabulously insightful, and soberly presented.
Can’t wait for his dodgers giants check swing breakdown in game 5 😂
Giants had every opportunity to score and they chocked 🤣 even without the check swing they would've lost.
Giants didn’t do shit but have turf hit a home run they got shut out all game and there last hitter was a bum. No need to review
@@sneakypanda9225 the score was within a run.. Nah yall cant play that nonsense lmao it wasnt like it was a blow out. Ya never want an ump getting in the way. Especially on the last out of the series.. Also there was some pretty bad calls at bat that would have put the dodgers in a real bad spot. SEVERAL times in the game. Even the announcers were on em. If the dodgers were say the rockies. No way would they get those calls.. Js
Oh man I hope he does.. Those were some really bad calls
yea and replays that night right after 3rd strike was called did NOT show home plate
That is ingenious and a crazy in-game IQ run to first!!
Brings me back to A Rod Knocking the hand running to first........ LOLOLO>O
I wish you would have analyzed the ball hitting him a little more. You could see that he did alter his arm motion to glance the ball. He raises his shoulder just enough and you can see that his arm motions are consistent until the ball is thrown and then adjusts his arm just enough to alter the ball.
Yeah but they mean you can't like chicken wing into it, you're still allowed to brace for the impact of a ball being thrown.
@@deusvult6920 I know it wasn’t a super obvious “chicken wing” move, but I feel he widened himself with a deliberate attempt to alter the ball’s path. He did it in a very subtle way that would make it nearly impossible to call, which really just makes it a good move I guess. Just my personal observation. I’ve been wrong plenty of times before.
Dude you sound as crazy as a guy saying a goalie didn't make a save if the shooter shoots it into the glove....
You are over analyzing it to try and sound smart and you come out looking dumb for doing so....
Was he trying to hog the line... yes... was it intentional.... yes... was it illegal.... what is in baseball these days... in any sport really...
All the reffing and umpiring has gone to shit since sports betting has been legalized....
When I was playing in the Frontier League (independent semi pro), had a similar situation. Only difference was that I saw the ball coming, so I moved out of the way and the catcher was able to get the ball and take out the runner at home. I didn't know that if I had let the ball hit me, I would've been safe and the runner would've scored.
"Independent semi pro" Lmao. School ball?
@@mw3653 frontier league is not school ball lmao. It’s literally what he said, semi-pro.
most players do instinctively move out of the way of the ball once it's thrown, because, you know, it hurts when it hits you... but they have no obligation to
I'd think that most umpires working Frontier league games would call this right.
@@Tyler-jv6tt AKA school ball
@@mw3653 It's a much higher tier than school ball. My town had a frontier league team and I remember a pitcher Josh Kinney making it to the majors after pitching there. It's just below Single A.
2:04 “everyone If you could lower your heads a little bit to hear me better” 😂
Rule seems to hinge on the interpretation of the word “intentional.” One could argue he most definitely INTENTIONALLY ran in the path of the throw.
One could argue that he just made the play more difficult and has the Astros 1B taken a step further to his right, he might have made the play. It’s not on the runner to make the play easier for the defense. Hell, it’s not uncommon for them to make it harder, which is exactly what we have here.
@@SixStringDave_90 I don’t disagree but where/how do you draw the line? “Intention” seems like such an ambiguous word. Of course a team/player is going to *intentionally* play in such a way that helps them win, but when does it cross over into breaching the rules?
@@zacd4902 Watch the play, dawg. He never makes a movement toward the ball to deflect it. He just angles his body before the throw. Once the throw is made, if a runner makes a move toward to the ball to stop or deflect it, that’s interference. There was a little bit of gamesmanship here, sure, and it was a little dirty, no doubt. Grandal knew what he was doing by making the play more difficult for the fielder, but there were no rules broken.
@@SixStringDave_90 dawg. I’m not disagreeing with you guys.
“He just angles” -> Did he intend to angle himself?
@David Garcia put another way - where is it established that “chicken winging” is intentional, but “establishing your base path in a non-typical area on purpose” is NOT intentional? That’s all I’m saying.
Come on! It's the bottom of the ninth and you gotta hit this ball, you hit a grounder and you know you have to run face first into this baseball for your team to win? Itd make the game pretty interesting.
It was absolutely an intentional run path but done in a legal way to the rule book. If he totally side stepped to block the throw then illegal. If he threw a hand or shoulder or elbow at the ball… illegal.
Wish we had more Braves breakdowns.
100%
get hated so people pay attention.... its what the astros did
Grandall looks like he's trying to obscure the sight line of the throw to the plate. You can see him drop his shoulder to avoid that throw.
I’m literally binge watching all of your videos you crack me tf up idk how I haven’t heard about you sooner your content is just amazing I love it
The baseline is established by the runner. Genius
I always thought that white stuff was the base path down the lines....wait, there is no set base path for a runner leaving home? What??
@@Rhaumar those are foul lines. That's it
@@ieaatclams there's an extra white line that isn't the foul line. He is talking about that.
@@Rhaumar No it is not the base path. You thought wrong. The running lane is irrelevant on this play.
To be fair he established his baseline before the catch and throw so its impossible to prove intent.
To be fair, he was way tf out of the baseline, intentionally interfered with the throw, which is explicitly addressed in the rule book 7.08-B:
"A runner is out when he intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball....A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not."
@@secondstring There is no base path the runner needs to be in until a tag is attempted. The runner can run where he pleases. The rule you quoted has nothing to do with this play. He did not intentionally interfere with the throw. He did not interfere with a fielder attempting to field a batted ball. Try again.
@@alanhess9306 Ok...
You're gay! 😂🤣🤣😅
Gotem.
@@alanhess9306 - Exactly what part of "A runner is out when he intentionally interferes with a thrown ball" do you not fucking get??? Are you dense??? That's what he did. He interfered with a thrown ball.
@@secondstring What part of "the runner establishes his own basepath" are you struggling with? And Grandal didn't intentionally interfere with the throw. He established his basepath in two steps, and didn't deviate, didn't reach for the ball, didn't lean into the ball.
Good call imo. The baserunner establishes the running lane. Not the paths themselves. You can run anywhere in the field, as long as they're not trying to get you out, than you must go to the next base or retreat to the previous base at a straight line establishing the base path.
The runninglane is established by the batter/runner but the chosen runninglane has to be in the general direction of 1b.
Waiting for dodgers vs giants game. Entire game is worth a breakdown. Bellinger’s hit, Ruf’s longest homerun of the postseason, and of course the last check swing
It was definitely a check swing.
Not to mention the bad calls that would have put the dodgers in a bad spot. SEVERAL times throughout the game.. Rockies would never get those calls brah
As I'm watching 6 months after you posted this video, I'm thinking you should post the date of the game being discussed and other details. It would be a good way to come out looking like Billy Heywood in Little Big League in arguments like the Trea Turner interference call of game 6 of the 2019 World Series.
1:58 This is way I tune in. You do these commentaries that are hilarious but also seem like it's exactly what their saying! Shit's so original!!! 🤣🤣🤣💀
So basically he had planned that if there was ever a runner on third he would establish his baseline on the grass to make it harder for the throw home to be made. And it worked. He probably knew the rule and decided that at some point he was going to see if it would worked. You see players in many sports trying these "letter of the law" moves and most of the time people say they are smart for knowing the rules so well.
Believable since Grandal is such an analytics based player
It was a smart play
Definitely a smart play but the mlb needs to re due this and jus make it the baseline and that’s it
Good play if you like lawyerball.
Who else wants Jomboy to Lipread NFL coaches yelling at refs
Well shit, even I can read those lips.
NFL coaches prefer “bulls--“ over “horses--“ is main difference
The classic “Fuck you bill” is easily to lipread
1:38 I can't pinpoint why exactly, but Greinke's body language with that "oookay never mind" strikes me as supremely respectful. I love that baseball had a smart and lone wolf kind of guy like that for so long, who also pitched phenomenally well.
Hey Jomboy, would love to hear your take on Tuesdays Braves game when Adam Duval was called out on the dropped ball by the Brewers. I love we got the win, but that call was ridiculous!
That game also had a pretty obvious balk that wasn't called for some reason
Bud, watch it again in slow motion. When the ball would have hit the ground the glove is right under it. The ball strikes the tip of the leather and you can see clear deflection of the leather in the pocket and see grass through the window of the pocket which let's you know the glove didn't touch the ground. The ripple of the leather is consistent with the ball striking the very tip of the glove and as the scooping motion continues the ball is caught in the pocket.
It was a smooth as fuck clean and fair catch. It's an out and there is absolutely no way to dispute it. The slow motion of the play has a very clear view that shows the ball never touches the ground.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM the only thing “smooth as fuck” is your defense of a “clean and fair catch”. I saw it multiple times and that ball hit the ground first. The only problem was that it wasn’t allowed to be reviewed. But I appreciate your take on it and I enjoy calls that are so close that they can be debated amongst us baseball fans! Hopefully Jomboy will chime in and I’ll side with whatever he says!😂
That ball 100% hit the dirt and was then scooped into the glove.
The ball is in the glove and never hits the dirt. The top down angle from the crowd confirms. There is a slow mo replay on another TH-cam channel.
Just a heads up to JomBoy> The runners "basepath" and the baseline are two different things. There is a running lane rule, not a baseline rule, for throws from the C to 1B. A runner is never obligated to use the baseline( the line between two bases) to get to a base. Kudos for knowing that the runner can run where they want on this play. A runner creates their own basepath up to the point of a tag
This postseason is going wild on that MLB rulebook
Except this play didn't challenge the rulebook at all. It's very clearly legal to every ump and rules expert.
@@Robertthebob All because it is currently, doesn't mean it should be. If the umps would of called interference on that play, no one would of questioned it because we know it was interference. Intentional or not, you should not be able to impede the play at home like that. This would allow you to safety squeeze a bunt down the first base line and slowly jog right along the ball in the grass (thereby making the play at home nearly impossible).
I remember getting told to do this in little league when there was a runner on third. Was told if the play goes to first you are going to be out anyway so dont even worry about the base path.
Except if you are called for interference, the runner at third would not score.
@@alanhess9306 As Jomboy stated in the video the runner creates his own base path. It's the same rule that allows wide turns when base running. As long as he isnt throwing limbs out to block the ball. The foul line as a base path only comes into play if the play goes to first.
@@smokeymchaggis73 Yes, I agree with you. But if your coach told you to do this and you make any motion that the umpire deems to be intentional, you would be out and no runners will advance.
If the play goes to first, the rule is entirely different.
Just further evidence that cheating is rampant in baseball all the way down to little league, all it does is hammer home the selective bias that cheating is OK as long as it's your team.
Bending the rule completely out of the way of the spirit of the game is OK as long as it benefits YOUR team.
Hey, the first baseman threw the ball at the base runner! ;-) The base runner was there before the baseman made the throw to home plate, it is not OK to play "soak'm".
He clearly saw where the ball was being fielded and going to be thrown home from and intentionally got in the way lol
Right, and since it's allowed, that seems like good strategy and knowing the rules, hallmarks of good baseball.
Jomboy kinda did a poor job explaining it and you did an even worse job understanding it. He intentionally swung his bat for contact, another completely legal action.
It shouldn't have been legal because he intentionally got in the way from the jump with the line he took. He knew what he was doing and it was a big brain play on his part
@@matthebonnvonbon8089 The fact that he did it "from the jump" is part of what made it legal. Add to that Grandal didn't deviate from the basepath he is allowed to establish, nor did he reach out for or lean into the ball.
@@greennblue24 true but it seems like he still had intent to block the throw even though what he did was technically legal
Thank you for doing this. Was driving me nuts watching this game and I wasn’t cheering for any team
It’s not “getting” in the way if you’re “always” in the way. Play smarter, not harder
Props to Grandal as a catcher knowing that running there was likely to interfere with a throw home. Probably only a catcher or a corner infielder would realize the opportunity.
He did something scummy though.
@@mike-0451 I'm not judging whether I think the rule is good, nor whether following a rule in cynical way is inherently good or bad (I have no interest in a lengthy discussion on utilitarianism in the YT comment section), I'm merely saying that it was a clever maneuver in a unique situation, and it should be recognized as such, regardless of whether we deem it good or bad. Hope this helps.
@@brianp3570 It cost us the game aside from the White Sox MVP Tom Hallion
@@mike-0451 your interpretation of the rules should not be dependent upon which team you're rooting for
@@brianp3570 It's not my interpretation of the rule. The final and last decision about that rule is made by the umpire, and it is predicated on whether he thinks the play was intentional (which it was but he either didn't see or already bet on the white sox).
He made a bad judegment call, and it cost us the game. My opinion could be that he didn't do it intentionally, but it doesn't matter because Grandal admitted that he did it on purpose, and even White Sox fans are bragging about it.
I say it cost "Us" because that's my team, not because it affects my opinion on a rule. I don't argue with God about why I need to sit on the toilet for 10 minutes every so often, but I get mad when someone as Taco Bell forces me to do it. Do you get me?
The call is dependent on whether it not Grandal intentionally blocked the ball, which he did, and you don't need his admission. Look at the clip again, you can see he starts with a normal path to first base but then suddenly shifts to the left and onto the grass.
What Grandal did was simply egregious and a terrible example of sportsmanship. I haven't seen plays that scummy since A Rod.
Congrats Jomboy on another great video. Any unusual play in any sport should just be called Jomboys, because your fans know you'll be covering them.
If they saw what I saw, it was very intentional. He made sure to get that left arm out there and lean into it. He tried hard to make it look intentional, but to duck your head to the side because you don't want to get hit in the face while still drifting into the path of the throw? To then immediately move back to the base path while checking how the play ended behind you? If they had checked the replay somebody would've called that.
Astros still got the last laugh in this series 🤫
Using video equipment to steal signs will do that...
@@frocat5163 10-1 Away clown
@@ccard4 Or maybe you're an Astros' fan who's still pissed off your team was caught cheating. Of course, that still makes you an asshole.
@@frocat5163 maybe you're an ignorant baseball fan who can't realize that every team has cheated/is cheating in one way or another and that the astros got caught cus they got snitched on
@@frocat5163 so if the Astros cheated years ago that just means your team can cheat now?
I did (and still would do) this all the time. It Sikes out 1B as you're running towards his glove but you cut back in line. Also great that your cleats dig into the grass nicely.
True that the first-base running lane only matters on plays to 1B: [5.09(a)(11)] “[A batter is out when] In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line and on the infield grass, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base.” On this play, Grandal had not yet reached the 45' mark (so not “running the last half of the distance from home to first base,” and did not “interfere with the fielder taking a throw at first base.”
But there is also [5.09(b)(3)]: “[Any runner is out when] He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball . . . ” I think there’s a case that Grandal intentionally ran inside on the grass in order to interfere with the throw. So if I’m the umpire, I’ve got interference: dead ball, batter-runner is out, nullify the run, runners go back to first and third where they were at the time of the pitch.
Really just a smart baseball move by a veteran player... Even if you think it's not fair
It's just a smear on this shitty sport. Glad I gave it up in the 90's.
stuff like that is why baseball has become so unpopular.
imagine being so pathetic as to protect a cheater's ways lmao
Dusty still wearing the arm bands, like he's gonna play or something.
he’s ready just in case he’s a pinch hitter😏
Compared to La Russa he's a spring chicken.