Group B Worship: Ford RS200 and Audi Sport Quattro - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- To enter Group B in the 1980s, car makers had to build 200 road-going examples of the car they intended to rally. These rules created some of the most spectacular road cars of all time. I love rallying: the chance to drive an RS200 and a Sport Quattro nearly sent me to the nut-house. Fire up the Quattro!
Written and presented by Chris Harris
Shot and edited by David Litchfield
I like how every time there is loud engine noise or a fly-by the subtitles read "music playing"
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I can't blame them it is music
That 5 cyl turbo....
Its Death Metal haha
Mine reads "applause" sometimes lol.. I think "yes, yes indeed applause" lol
Music to our ears that’s for sure
how is it possible that chris never gets jaded from driving so many fast supercars?one of the best reviewers of our time, for sure.
Seems to be pretty lame on the first few episodes of Top Gear but has recently got better
Anthony true car guys would be curious about how any car drives, at least I am
@@the-boring-car-guy yep
When Group B was finished, Ford was dumping RS200's at £15k!! Rover was dumping 6R4's at £12K!! I know because I almost persuaded my Father to buy one of each! I used the pension argument but he wouldn't go for it! Wish he had now!
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Indeed!
+turboslag sh yeah I'm sure you did what wonderful foresight you had
My dad worked for Rover at the time, and would have got a staff discount if he bought one, so I think he could have got it for something ridiculous like 10K. The problem is he and mum were looking for a house and couldn't afford to spend money on a car like that. To this day I maintain that he should have bought the 6R4, and then bought a caravan. To this day he agrees with me....
Douglas Pealing loool
You would've been one of the coolest kids in town if you grabbed a RS200.
I would give my left ball for that audi
Nolte Zockt but you need two to drive it..
adithya mahesh touché
Nolte Zockt and I'd give my right o e for the rs200
But then your ballsack will be out of balance like the suspension on the Ford
@@sadikmeah4057 hehehehehe you guys are funny.
That Audio though... God damn, so fucking beautiful. I want one so badly. One day...
'... of when rallying was GREAT.'
Yes, exactly. It was. What it has gone on to become isn't too bad either, but the end of the group B days were a very sad slide back into mediocrity. We'd gone from 30 or 40 years of having somewhat tuned up road cars, ending with rather wonderful little rear drivers like the Escort and the Datto 1600, to ...sudden overnight balls out insanity. It suddenly went from 40 years of gradually improving water pistols, to real 9mm race specials, Lazar sights and all. Forget paint guns, this was AK-47s at arms length. You just stood, awestruck, like all those dopey fans on stage, who really didn't seem to care if they got killed, as long as you could see Rohl or Vatenin or somebody go past like an F1 car. And they sounded as wicked as they were, perhaps none more than the 5 cyl Audi Quatros, which sounded nothing in the world like a roadgoing Audi, they sounded like the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, set to Wagner, played at 11/10 over the full Led Zeppelin PA system. If that noise didn't get your blood to zing, then petrol flowed in some funny places, but not through your veins, you poor sad little child... The hippies drool on about the summer of love, and flower power. Petrol heads drool on about group B. We have a reason. There was never anything like it before, and there never will be again. It was everything you've ever heard about '80s excess and cocaine high, all in one crazy season. All the Spandex and speed, all the un-complicated sex and very complicated drivelines, all concentrated like one BIG line on a mirror. It was amazing, and it will never be like that again. ... then, we went back to water pistols...
kick ass comment, i salute you :)
Kneedragon1962 Beautiful metaphor's brother lol, I completely agree although I'm only 23 and have seen it through a TV screen. Nonetheless, *you should be a automotive JOURNALIST, and maybe write for Chris Harris LMAO.*
cybertree LOL, thank you. I did enjoy the group B days...
Rally is so much more "controlled" now. Not a bad thing, but not the CRAZY it used to be. It's like letting loose all of our dreams of going fast with no regrets, that was Group B!!
Fuck it all motorsport had it's prime in the 80`s
I still remember like yesterday the first Quattro Sport I seen on the road, I just fell in love with the thing there and then, it was white and it pulled up at traffic lights in front of me as I was walking home from school. I remember every detail of those few moments. Watching this video brought me right back to that day. The nostalgia just feels amazing. I'm a car guy all my life and theres only a handful of cars that I get that feeling with but the Audi Quattro will always have that room in my head.
That moment when you realize you live only 20 minutes away from DirtFish Rally School in Snoqualmie, WA that has both of these on display in their showroom. #Lucky
TFW half the videos you watch have a comment from Barnacules left a month earlier
Slightly jelly... I've dreamed of seeing this car live.
Hey Jerry!
That moment when you discover that you're half a day's drive from a Sport Quattro AND that Barnacules is a rally fan. Good moment.
I've seen that car! Watched the old mill rally there. I live in Wa too
"...when rallying WAS great."
Touché. It isn't anymore.
Rallycross is getting better and better.. Rally though.. I feel like suffers from the loss of manufacturers.
That Audi Sport Quattro looks like the dogs bollocks! Bloody brilliant!
As a 1980's Rally fan, watching with my Dad, I found the history presented here just spot on - excellent descriptions. Groupe B cars in full rally form were just monsters, even by today's standards of rally cars. Thanks Chris!
Chris Harris is the perfect antidote to top gear; good man!!
"...they really remind us of a time when Rallying was great!"
Amen to that Brother!
i dream of one day owning a Sport Quattro. everything about that machine is just glorious.
Im so glad Chris is going to start his own show, hell yea!!
can't agree more (y)
The RS200 is definitely my favourite Group B car. Fantastic looks and performance!
Sport Quattro! its a legend. nobody is faster when walter röhrl drives it
Uhhj the ones that went to 24hr Racing
Video's like this make me hate these new wiz-bang-gadget cars even more...with all the so called progress in technology and safety, the emotions of driving are forever lost. Group A and B cars were astonishing and had all the tech you really ever need...real cars for real pilots.
That's pretty much how I'd put it.
You don't need a fancy Bluetooth connected touch screen display, or heated electric seats, or an automatic gearbox, or extra carpet for sound deadening, and driving aids.
Economics and politics ruined car culture.
People just don't understand why car enthusiasts love older cars.
I salute your educated reply sir !! Glad to see a few enthusiasts still exist in this cold world.
***** Nostalgia is just a by product of cars that were built without being governed by economics, politics and regulations.
You should keep in mind that car makers were going to make engines more efficient anyway.
I wish auto makers would certain build performance cars without all these gimmicks. This would make a cheaper car, but in the end, it would be more of a purist's car.
I want something with AWD torque vectoring and a nice engine with forced induction, but using a manual gearbox. That's it.
The GT86 is close, but all I'd to it, is remove the stereo and speakers.
Couldn't agree more. It always saddens me a bit when I realise that ABS is mandated by law in my country and cars are shouted down from the rooftops if they don't offer Traction, stability and fun control, or don't offer bluetooth. I would love someone to make a performance car with a well sorted chassis powered by an old school power plant. Just an honest performance car not muddied by all the bullshit that the car industry demands now
***** C6 corvette, C7 corvette, the new camaro z28, ford gt, I guess I should mention the viper, mustang boss 302, saleen s7
group.b needs to be reinstated with crowd control... the amount of actual real world technology that was tested and developed in this series cannot be understated.
All it needed was more discipline of the fans. If they stayed back more, Group B rallying would still exist
It would've stopped not long after it did anyway. The drivers were getting seriously injured and killed too - as well as the fans. Walter Röhrl once said you couldn't "think", let alone react fast enough to drive group B rally cars for long periods on the limit. I love that era, but it never would have lasted.
@@justinosman652 and Walter was probably the best of them all, although if you hear Marku Alleen, he is on the same page as Walter, saying it was insane. These cars are simply bejond human capacity to react. we have to admit that we have physical limits and those cars are bejond those, only a few came even close to this limit and were lucky to survive. just talk to those who drove them and are still alive. there is not a single person who claims to be in charge of those cars and those where pros.
@@bensteven3091 Walter also said that there was something special about those cars, about the experience behind the wheel, about the intoxicating feeling of accelerating out of a corner. Pushing the limits of our physical capacities is what all sports are about. These drivers knew exactly what they signed up for, flinging metal death boxes around curvy mountainous gravel roads and that's why they have become motorsports legends. Sure, you can interpret them claiming to not be in charge of the cars as a warning, but i would argue its romanticizing their fascination with those cars and their attempt to master them.
@@mihneabuzatu784 I am not entirely sure what you mean, as i cant find the passage you are referring to. and i agree with your statement. to my knowledge there werent many who could actually handle those cars. i myself have been in much less powerfull cars (mainly Opel Manta Group G). i dont know how i would have coped in one of them. but i wish i could drive one, or get the chanced to drive one, actually i would like the delta s4.
@@justinosman652 but Group A claimed lives as well, in the first years after the end of Group B even more so than the latter. And I still see rally cars flying off the track (most recently Tänak in Monte Carlo). That makes me wonder if the biggest improvement is more about the safety features themselves. Better rollcages/crash protection, lower risk of fires, stuff like that.
Chris has some proper reviews without any unnecessary showmanship. He really seems to appreciate these special cars he is driving.
The Sport Quattro is on my list for when I win the lottery. I love its brutal shape.
so if you win 5£ in the lottery you think that is enough to buy one of these?
I love the sounds from the gearbox. It reminds me of the GM, aluminum M-22 “rock crusher” 4-speed. Straight cut gears and that wondrous gear whine!
The clonking noise is what you get from those dam Dog gearboxes. They are like my girlfriend, noisy in any position you put them.
any chance i could try this out?
Love how the RS200's hood vents look like angry eyebrows
The RS200 evo is more desirable than the standard RS200 but youd still take both tho
Awesome! Harris + Group B cars = Heaven
R.I.P Group B Rallying, Nothing compares to you Legendary sport today
Group B is when Rally cars were real and Audi was banned for being too insane
Audi wasn't banned, Group B was banned. Audi happened to make Group B cars like Peugeot, Lancia, Ford, Citroen, Ferrari, Porsche, Opel, Toyota, MG and a few others, all were banned, the great shame is we never got to see Group S.
Robert Cumming my mistake i think it may have been IMSA it was one of the circuits.
Zone Television Yes Imsa is right..they were banned for being to insane. People were complying cause audi had awd and smaller engine LOL
Kyle K
Trans Am as well. "Sorry Audi, you are too good for us Americans" I love being German some times :)
heiko207 haha i love how audi came to america to dominate, won Everything>Ey you need smaller tiers than everyone else>won>You need even smaller>Won you canät stay here!
149k pounds... his face looks like someone jokingly told him it was closer to 5 in 2020. The SQ looks great in this color spec. Harry’s review sent me here to relive this Harris classic.
Chris- you do a very good job on these videos. Kudos. I thought as to why and determined : you do so in a low key NO EGO manner, you don't add cheesy music, you are comfortable in your own skin and don't appear desperate to be perceived as cool, and your know your subject matter and are well spoken . Thank you
This bloke understands Group B cars, what is means to be able to "drive" and the reward you get from such cars......this is what cars feel like when the driver does all the work !!!!!!!
The ford is sick! The audi is unbelievable though :o
With that money, in Italy, you can buy a road legal Stratos and the last Delta Evo.
I absolutely love the RS200. The uniqueness of it, the looks, its mid-engined, AWD, the suspension, the power, the short wheelbase, everything is amazing about it.
Thanks Chris, I got to drive one of these when I worked at a Porsche dealer in the mid 80's, the dealership owner was a collector of rally cars, I did not get to drive the Peugeot but he let me drive the Audi all the time. It was super fast and I still dream of owning one even though I have a 911. Now I can show others what I have been talking about all these years!
There is one for sale now in the U.S. It is being sold by RM Auctions in a month for 350K to 475K USDM.
Thanks for that crushing bit of sad reality, goodbye dreams...floating off like a red balloon in an EF0 tornado. :(
cybertree I'm sorry, but I don't make the prices for Group B road cars, so I can't get your dreams back.
cybertree you could always get a replica
the audi quattro defined grp B
and this from a 205T16 fan
Precisely. It is funny how the reporter claims that the Quattro was a response to other manufacturer's cars, when it was actually the pioneering car that everyone tried to emulate.
8:15 he clearly says the Quattro made an impact on rallying in the early '80s, but the other manufacturers had caught up to(and surpassed) it. So, THIS Quattro was a response to those cars, he doesn't claim the original Quattro to be the response
I went back and watched the part of the clip you mention.
You are correct Bendik, my mistake. Cheers!
Hello fellow t16 fans
There is no doubt that Audi Quattro was a legend of Group B but Lancia with Stratos, 037 Stradale and Delta S4 defined the WRC in general.
It just feels good to listen to Chris.
Oh how this has conjured up a soup of nostalgia within me based around my first car, a 1990 Audi 100Q. It was a heavy chunk of steel, but had all the trimmings and was so comfortable. Quattro saved my life at least twice! The only thing that holds me back from finding another one is the upkeep and parts availability and cost.
Audi Sport quattro, amazing car :) Also my dream car :D
Never been a Ford man but I know how bad ass the RS200 was and still is... Ford needs to bring it back as super car like how Honda brought back the NSX
True that mate
+Russell What about the new Ford gt?
+godzillaisnuclea123 New GT looks promising
GT is for 1%ers, richs which have 200 000$ for a car.They need to bring up something with price for middle class but good, something like sierra cosworth, escort rs, focus rs,st 220...
AleX 954
Not sure if ford is middle class but whatever
I love both these cars. Especially since they have proper manual transmissions. Thanks.
Malachite green!!!! Absolutely perfect
Chris will you ever test 205 T16, I would love to see that
I'd love to see Chris drive an actual Audi S1 rally car...
Chris, your videos are always a pleasure to watch because you just nail the balance between entertainment and nerdy detail!
Video from the Greatest Hits of CH. so cool remembering when this video was new and to watch again all these years later and still think it’s great if not even more so.
If his 5'7" is tight in there than my 6'3" doesn't have a chance of fitting
Walter Röhrl is that tall
The ford that started the crowd hitting trend
Aztek Colours....actually, shouldn't the driver of the rs200 that day be blamed for hitting those inbred morons who were too close to the racing surface?
I'm watching this in 2019. Best Chris Harris is old school Chris Harris On Cars 👍🏼
I am just gobsmacked by how beautiful those cars are.
The whole sport of rallying is down hill right now, many famous teams abandoned, really the 90`s was the golden era for rally, and I miss it, it was something of a pure european motorsports with great tradition. Without support rally will be a memory of the past.
LOL - I can tell how old you are. No son, the EIGHTIES was the golden era of rallying. Everything since has been safe and sanitised and socially acceptable. Ari Vatenin and Walter Rohl, Michelle Mouton and any of the Scandinavian madmen... What you see now is pale imitation. Group B was real rally. Everything since has been a sad joke.
Kneedragon1962 I saw a quote somewhere that said: WRC is for boys, GROUP B was for men. Since the 80`s it is not about doing everything at the highest level, but doing it safe. FIA makes the rules, and it is French, so it favours French automakers, that is why the new wrc cars are 1.6 liter 2 door hatchbacks, I liked the 4 door 2 liter wrc series better.
Nagy Szilard LOL - Oh, I wondered what had gone wrong. It was FRENCH, that explains it. LOL. They stopped giving cars to Michelle, because she bent a few, and beat the boys a few times as well, so the French went "I take away your 800hp cars, and your father smelled of elderberries! Now gerw awaey, or I wheel taunt yer some more!"
Something that will always exist throughout history are *HIPSTERS*, they're annoying individuals who will always claim that the first of anything is always better than the current day...that shit's so annoying to me I don't know why. (And no, the Europeans don't own the sport.)
Nagy Szilard *RALLYING ISN'T "GOING DOWN HILL", THEY'RE FLYING FASTER AROUND THE TRACK THAN THE 80'S/90'S COULD EVER GO, YOU ALL SENTIMENTAL AND NEED TO GO RALLYING YOURSELF TO REMIND THAT.*
One day i will have this Audi.
As a kid in the 80s I absolutely loved the RS200, it looked so different to everything else and seemed very futuristic. I had 2 of the Matchbox cars models in white/blue finish, actually, thinking about it, I might even still have them along with a load of my other toy cars.
It's about as near as I'll ever get to owning one of these beauties.
The Group B was the best race serial ever.
Shame you've completely failed to capture a major ingredient of the Quattro DNA, the unique noise of the 5 cylinder turbo engine
He does you spastic right at the end.
He does you spastic right at the end.
I was so excited to buy myself an audi quattro, and then at 12:40 all my hopes of ever buying one were crushed.
Now they are more like 400.000
This is the kinda stuff I wanted to see from this channel, a guy actually driving the cars he's talking about and doing so with a real passion.
You built a masterpiece when almost 40 urs on it is STILL impressive. Quality of concept and execution will always be in style and the aim of those striving for greatness.
Why didn't you show a picture of the RS's clamshell completely opened up ?
Ford should bring back the RS200.
Wow... these two cars are in my dream garage! Corrado VR6 and these two!!!
Corrado? you are probably smoking something very strange...
These two are so exciting, compared to modern WRC, it makes me miss group B so much.. Thanks Chris for the good moments !
this is why ford beat gm everytime
Quattro would look so much better with shorter overhangs. Those overhangs ruin the looks of the car, as well as handling I would suspect.
But looks aren't important for Group B. Wish I could go back to 80's, man it was such a cool time to live and be part of motorsport. But we won't ever get back to that considering how everything is "evolving".
not so much the overhang but the fact that the engine is RIGHT at the front of the car almost touching the rad made it a pig to get it turned in
i love the fact that it understeered so much because it really got the best out of walter röhl and his driving style
@@Scoobydcs the design is stupid. i happen to know why the design is like it is and its not because its a superior layout. in fact its the opposite and its surprising they still got this to perform as well as it did given the stupid layout. in fact if you you would try to come up with a design thats the most stupid this is a front runner only beaten by one other, although you could argue whats more stupid.
@@bensteven3091 why fid they do it? Anything to do with tranny layout?
Hit the nail on the head it looks lumpy to those who don’t know but to those who know it’s beautiful group B was amazing
Watched "Madness on Wheels: Rallying's craziest years" on BBC 4 last night... An excellent programme about Group B rallying. It inspired me to find this video!
Im so confused as to how I am just now seeing this Harris vid...but then I remember that I smoke a lot of weed, and probably just forgot over the years...marijuana is amazing, reliving things for the second or who knows, maybe even third time.
im there with you ;)
the colour on that audi... :\
I still want it.
The Audi looks outstanding traveling on the road... Sport Quattro.. Love it!
Harris, you are the undisputed master of internet videos, Evo wont be the same without you, but Im glad youre still doing what you do best. Great photography, great commentary and great passion for the subject. Class Harris, Class.
Chris Harris car vids > Everything else
i could watch chris harris all day
Chris Harris you gained my utmost respect when you said you love the turbo lag and such because its part of the experience of the car...thats why I like older cars too it is a different experience...you actually drive the car you have to pay more attention and such, new cars kinda have lost that flavor...I do like newer cars but experiences while driving is what makes driving great...great show btw
One of the very best videos on this channel
Absolutely BRILLIANT video. So nice to see someone behind the wheel of these cars who understands what they are, where they came from and what they represented both then and now.
I'm sure I'm not the only rally fan who would like to have been in your position in this video, but you at least looked as humbled as I would to be behind the wheel of these legends.
A young Chris Harris from back when only a few dedicated fans knew he was - and the Sport Quattro almost a bargain😀
Yet again Chris Harris demonstrates why he's by far the best motoring journalist. One point to note, RS200 looks like it has about 3 degrees of positive camber on the right rear wheel! Well held, Chris!
This video put such a huge smile on my face.
What a beautiful car. The quattro looks so sleek and sporty.
watching these old chris harris videos, it really makes me realize how much he can bring to top gear (which i haven't seen new episodes yet)
Feels like I'm watching a classic Top Gear episode, before the reboot. When Tiff and Jeremy were both on there at the same time. Simple and very well done!
This is the first time I have ever seen a professional review of a very old car. The interior looks like the car was made in the 80's.
fantastic episode. group b was the shit back in the day. wish rallying was still big today.
Amazing, as usual with Chris Harris
How is it possible that everyone of Chris's reviews are just so great?
Audi S1 is simply the best sounding rally car ever build. Hearing that high revving 5 cyl sound live is absolutely magnificent. Sad that there are only few history series rallies where you can actually see and hear one anymore.
Gotta hand it to ya, they were amazing cars. Never gets old.
Group B the best few years of rally RIP
I'll say it time and time again, Harris is Drive's best asset. MORE MORE!!
this show is reminiscent of a show on speedvision called victory by design. I loved that show. Good job
The homologation models for the GR.B monsters....amazing monsters for amazing drivers....you will be astonished if you read the GR.B especifications....
Great cars and a great vid. Love the reflection of the RS200 in the shop windows - you wouldn't get board of seeing that.
RS200. Greatest rally car ever made! Not on paper but just look at it!
still love the humble 205GTI 1.9 from the early 90s, always remember a french GF asking her jealous ex to drive me home, he drove in a rage down french country lanes trying to scare me and I loved it
cant find anything else to watch so i re-run CHOC videos. still the best stuff on youtube
I saw this on my subscriptions page and got chills! These are 2 of my favorite cars of all time! And you really did them justice. Thank you so much Chris! Great video!
These Bloke's needs their ON TV show.... The cinematography and cameraman work is first class too..* Its better than top gear...
I am making ah fair comparison because I have no connections to anyone. I know they are underpaid . ... If anything at all. The show is BRAVO..!
RS200 is a proper drivers car. no luxuries or features, simply a bloody quick car which forces a smile on your face.