Many years ago, growing up on a farm I was an Annie with an ice breaking pick axe; my job mornings, after school, after supper in the evening. The troughs were much larger so took longer to freeze. They also had a 3 sided box like shelter. The horses were my helpers, cattle not so much. Big Nell, a beautiful draft, gentle giant was the best. Like Annie she broke ice too. She was the answer to a kid's dream. I rode her bareback without a bridle. I told her all my secrets. Good memories.
Watching Annie smash the ice with her hoof shows she's still retained wildie learning. Horses that have never had to do that, get confused about ice over their water source. That box is a great solution, Graeme.
@@timengineman2nd714 sure, wild animals learn from their relatives/ herds. It's key to their survival. The oldest ones transmit their knowledge to their families . Elephant are the most remarkable examples in that sense, .
And this is why I love this channel... My Physics is kind of rusty... So here comes Graeme and makes it interesting. I must also said that Mr. Wilde was a cute added bonus to the explanation. Wish I had had a Physics teacher like you.
Was caught on another youtube homesteading channel. (I've been so poorly,🤒 I can't tell you the misery of it!) What to do about water icing up? So exciting! And diverting! Hopefully?and don't I have this trouble like, all the time?🥶😱🎠🤧 Anyway the nice homesteady lady had bought fancy electric heaters for the cow waters but it was still frozen. So much for technology 🙄. Luckily there are other ways. The old kosher salt water bottle method for example?. that worked very nicely and proved why homesteaders should never throw anything away; ever! Anyway we all went to check the Chicky waters and cow waters next day and all was well. Then lady homesteady noticed somebody, kitty? Doggy? Goatie? Husband? Had knocked the flex of the new water warmer. The water warmer had failed in its job due to not being plugged in, not simply overwhelmed by a bit of cold!🤭 Anyway now with the kosher salt bottles sitting passively in the water, the cows are well sorted and no harm done, except that's 20 odd minutes of my life I won't get back🙄😉. And of course there is still no substitute for the person popping round frequently checking for stupid, and that all is well, in all weathers. Although, these nice new covers do look to be useful based as they are in science, yet sensibly low tech and green, and they look quite smart too! Marvelous!
Bottles of salt water in the fresh water is no different than the ball method. They move around to break the surface ice. Just because the internal temperature appears higher due to not freezing (salty water has a very slightly lower freezing temp due to density), doesn't mean it is and in fact would likely contribute to freezing due to the lower than zero degrees celsius temperature that they can get to and then in turn transfer out the heat from the lower levels in the bucket. Again, an old wives tale makes it's rounds...
Yes sir, horses and humans are just bags of walking loose and jiggly jello! Wobblies wandering around paddocks and pastures. Coming from a very cold area I was fortunate to always have a stand pie in a barn available. Still, while outdoors the horses had tanks to drink from. I knew I had to chop ice and the time line of "when" depended on temp and wind chill. It became the internal clock I lived by in cold weather. I like your solution sooooo much better! Clean and easy to use and store when not needed. A winner in every sense. Even for wandering bags of jello who need masses of water daily!
That I've crystal was beautiful, it looks like a leaf. Had to laugh at Annie, putting her leg into the bucket to break the ice. She's the one that puts her leg in the bucket in the summertime too, if I remember correctly. Great experiment! Glad you could make something to slow down the freezing of the water. Mr Wilde figured the structure out pretty quick.
As always, you have triggered my inner nerd! This is great and very informative. I wish I would have seen this a couple weeks ago. I would have made a box to cover the chicken's waterer but it was so cold (10 degrees Fahrenheit doesn't bode well for water outside) I'm not sure it would have solved all of my problems. But this good to know. I'll add it to my stored information in my brain for future reference! 🤓
Wow, this is so fascinating! I have wondered about this stuff before but struggled to understood how it worked. You explain & demonstrate it in a way that is easy to understand. And I love your solution. A simple, relatively inexpensive (with the prices of lumber still up), quick fix. I really love the time lapse of their water troughs & watching the ice form.
Excellent instructive video ! If you were a teacher children would love your science lessons for sure ! And the crystals are gorgeous, natural artworks ❄
I was wondering about this issue. Thanks for covering it, and your knowledge and explanation. I know you go to the moon and back for your precious horse friends😄
The science is interesting. I had no idea horses drank that much water. Boy, they sure eat and drink a lot. I would say, they are high maintenance. Lol Those thin styrofoam sheets that are used sometimes in packaging might be good to insulate the box since they are light weight too. A few dabs of glue should work to hold them in place, or staples. You stay warm, you need something hot to drink.
This is why I love watching your channel! Learn new things, and old information that I learned ages ago gets brought back up. Amazing video, Graeme! Also, I think I must have missed it- but Roo is gone? He went home im assuming? I just love watching him with you. He is such a good boy! You don't have to answer if you are keeping it private. I just happened to notice in the last video he wasnt here!
That was super fun and I learned something. What a simple and clever way to fix that issue!! You sure are handy! Happy New Year and hope you had a wonderful holiday!!
Interesting! To put a box to limit the freeze. Thank you for always giving a scientific explanation behind a phenomenon. 👍 Was Annie pawing to break the ice, I wonder? Or is it just a coincidence as she often paws in her bucket of water...
Yes, I have the whole video and had cut just before that. She had found a bit of ice and just naturally busted it up with her foot. I couldn't even discourage her from doing it as I just wanted a nice clear shot of her drinking. Such as it is :) Turned out great in the end.
@@StableHorseTraining thank you! Amazing and it shows how animals survive in the wild using their accute senses and instinct. Therefore I wonder when she does it in normal weather conditions whether it's not just play or a kind of testing of the surface..
very interesting, thank you for sharing that. So, what about the sun getting in? I am thinking you can also do that for algae not to build up too. Sun can't reach the water to build the algae up??? Right????
Very interesting with the cover that’s a great idea 👍🏻I have a question I think you had a video on it , but I can not find it.Ok,the question is does horses need shoes? You did say , that they don’t need shoes I do live in the Ozarks mountain in Missouri and our ground is rocky and I want to go on trail rides with my horse do I need shoes for my horse? Everyone around me says yes.I am confused I just want the best for my horse what is your a pinion?
Shoes are destructive to a hoof. They put many many holes in the outer structure with nails and sometimes the inner structure. This is what causes a horse to "throw a shoe" nothing left substantial to nail to anymore and months of rehab to get past it. Most farriers will also give a very bad trim, but that's a different topic outside of this question, but they justify a very short trim because they are putting a shoe on. It's also usually incredibly habitual that the outer layer (the strongest layer) is rasped off so the foot doesn't "look flared". This is highly destructive. Shoes are harmful to horse's feet for many reasons, the primary one being that they "peripherally load" the foot. Meaning it's the exact same problem for the horse if the hoof walls were 3/4 of an inch too long. The bottom of the foot, the frog and bars all don't have proper access to the ground and it hurts the connection to the hoof wall all around. In many cases this causes a foot to "sink". I'll cover that in another video. Most horses "need" shoes because people want to force horses to do things they can't physically handle yet. If somebody took you out across a gravel road, onto a rocky pathway and then to an uneven maybe slippery and heavily rocky area without your shoes or boots on, you'd be in pain at the gravel driveway. That said, over time you can acclimate your feet to that gravel, then you'd start on the rocky pathway and learn to pick your spot to step, in time it'd be easier and faster. Mistakes would hurt less over time too. Then you go further, longer etc. Acclimation is everything. This is why we get blisters and sores when we shovel or garden brand new in the spring perhaps, or start a new job where physical labor beyond our norm hurts us. A shoe doesn't help the horse, it hides the problems presented for the horse and in fact makes them worse, sometimes irreparably. Every single time a hoof shoe rings out against a rock it sends micro vibrations through the foot destroying good cellular structure (this has been proven scientifically, look up Robert Bowker's findings if you have time). Over time this permanently destroys the inside of the hoof. The nails in the walls, the peripheral loading and heaviness of the shoes all causes problems for the hoof that many times takes years to recover from. Just simply shoeing a horse once will then require 3 months of recovery to grow out the nail holes. If you want to help your horse and protect it's feet for adverse conditions, use boots. Easy Care Inc makes some fantastic trail boots that you put on like you'd put on running or hiking shoes and then take them off when you're done. There are other companies that are making strong growth with their products but I personally have found Easy Care the best so far. These come in all kinds of sizes and shapes for particular situations. I've done a bunch of videos on them too and are fantastic for rehab as well. Here are a few links: th-cam.com/video/Bs2hWGOjz-U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/xcO1ijo2CiQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/5TmHp3i6qSI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/4FlpIENi3KU/w-d-xo.html Shoeing is a technology from the 1800's that should have been left back there but unfortunately it's hard to change some people as they are stuck in that culture and can't learn or don't want to learn or unfortunately are surrounded by people discouraging them from learning. This usually comes in the form of derision, mocking and social or moral shaming. The technology over just the past 20 years is light years, literally light years, ahead of the shoeing and I personally consider it a form of torture and abuse to shoe a horse at this point as there are far superior methods to protect hooves and make them better instead of worse. If people did a bit of research on the subject they would 100% agree as there is already enough information out there by now that it's indisputable from both a scientific and moral standpoint. I hope that helps.
@@StableHorseTraining Might I suggest that you pin this somewhere so a wider audience will see this. You have probably already covered all this in a video and I know you have spoken about this topic frequently. However, it seems a shame that most people might miss seeing this as it is hidden away in the comments. Or maybe put it on the community page or somewhere like that. Just my thoughts as I read through this very comprehensive summary of the evils of horse shoes. Just awesome!
Good demonstration and solution. Heat is energy, but cold is not an "energy"; cold is the absence of heat just like light is energy, but darkness is the absence of light. The box also works because even frozen ground is emitting heat, the heat from the earth's molten core that's always present and escaping. You could take advantage of that more by removing the legs of the box if it would still fit. The best part is that you are not using any artificial energy source; it's all self-contained and passive. Great solution.
The ground is absolutely not emitting heat. The only thing the ground does is provide insulation from the air. There is zero difference in the ground temperature to the air temperature away from the underside of the bucket. Yes, if I had made the box so that the walls went all the way to the bottom then it would be a bit more efficient. Such as it was for the height I needed and the wood I had available. I always appreciate somebody coming along telling me I could have done a better job... It's heartwarming.
Many years ago, growing up on a farm I was an Annie with an ice breaking pick axe; my job mornings, after school, after supper in the evening. The troughs were much larger so took longer to freeze. They also had a 3 sided box like shelter. The horses were my helpers, cattle not so much. Big Nell, a beautiful draft, gentle giant was the best. Like Annie she broke ice too. She was the answer to a kid's dream. I rode her bareback without a bridle. I told her all my secrets. Good memories.
Watching Annie smash the ice with her hoof shows she's still retained wildie learning. Horses that have never had to do that, get confused about ice over their water source. That box is a great solution, Graeme.
I agree, my domestic horses don't tend to get that.
@@StableHorseTraining yes it's what I wondered too about domestic horses. It demonstrates how wild animals have a deeper instinct of survival.
@@martineinfrance They grow up seeing the rest of their herd, and occasionally other herds doing the ice smash.
@@timengineman2nd714 sure, wild animals learn from their relatives/ herds. It's key to their survival. The oldest ones transmit their knowledge to their families . Elephant are the most remarkable examples in that sense, .
And this is why I love this channel... My Physics is kind of rusty... So here comes Graeme and makes it interesting. I must also said that Mr. Wilde was a cute added bonus to the explanation. Wish I had had a Physics teacher like you.
This was a great experiment where science meets real life. Well done sir !
Was caught on another youtube homesteading channel. (I've been so poorly,🤒 I can't tell you the misery of it!) What to do about water icing up? So exciting! And diverting! Hopefully?and don't I have this trouble like, all the time?🥶😱🎠🤧
Anyway the nice homesteady lady had bought fancy electric heaters for the cow waters but it was still frozen. So much for technology 🙄. Luckily there are other ways. The old kosher salt water bottle method for example?. that worked very nicely and proved why homesteaders should never throw anything away; ever! Anyway we all went to check the Chicky waters and cow waters next day and all was well. Then lady homesteady noticed somebody, kitty? Doggy? Goatie? Husband? Had knocked the flex of the new water warmer. The water warmer had failed in its job due to not being plugged in, not simply overwhelmed by a bit of cold!🤭 Anyway now with the kosher salt bottles sitting passively in the water, the cows are well sorted and no harm done, except that's 20 odd minutes of my life I won't get back🙄😉. And of course there is still no substitute for the person popping round frequently checking for stupid, and that all is well, in all weathers. Although, these nice new covers do look to be useful based as they are in science, yet sensibly low tech and green, and they look quite smart too! Marvelous!
Bottles of salt water in the fresh water is no different than the ball method. They move around to break the surface ice. Just because the internal temperature appears higher due to not freezing (salty water has a very slightly lower freezing temp due to density), doesn't mean it is and in fact would likely contribute to freezing due to the lower than zero degrees celsius temperature that they can get to and then in turn transfer out the heat from the lower levels in the bucket. Again, an old wives tale makes it's rounds...
Yes sir, horses and humans are just bags of walking loose and jiggly jello! Wobblies wandering around paddocks and pastures. Coming from a very cold area I was fortunate to always have a stand pie in a barn available. Still, while outdoors the horses had tanks to drink from. I knew I had to chop ice and the time line of "when" depended on temp and wind chill. It became the internal clock I lived by in cold weather. I like your solution sooooo much better! Clean and easy to use and store when not needed. A winner in every sense. Even for wandering bags of jello who need masses of water daily!
Bonus... If a stranger to farm life comes over, you can show them how you are potty-training the herd.
hahaha.. that would be hilarious
I don't have the technical vocab for what I want to say, but: this video has an interesting look-&-feel. Very effective blend of art and science!
Thank you Sue :)
That I've crystal was beautiful, it looks like a leaf. Had to laugh at Annie, putting her leg into the bucket to break the ice. She's the one that puts her leg in the bucket in the summertime too, if I remember correctly. Great experiment! Glad you could make something to slow down the freezing of the water. Mr Wilde figured the structure out pretty quick.
Uh, new editing! (the fading in and out of information)
Works well for this video. Especially the "this is what this video is about" one.
Very cool.
Thanks!
As always, you have triggered my inner nerd! This is great and very informative. I wish I would have seen this a couple weeks ago. I would have made a box to cover the chicken's waterer but it was so cold (10 degrees Fahrenheit doesn't bode well for water outside) I'm not sure it would have solved all of my problems. But this good to know. I'll add it to my stored information in my brain for future reference! 🤓
Wow, this is so fascinating! I have wondered about this stuff before but struggled to understood how it worked. You explain & demonstrate it in a way that is easy to understand. And I love your solution. A simple, relatively inexpensive (with the prices of lumber still up), quick fix.
I really love the time lapse of their water troughs & watching the ice form.
Excellent instructive video ! If you were a teacher children would love your science lessons for sure ! And the crystals are gorgeous, natural artworks ❄
I was wondering about this issue. Thanks for covering it, and your knowledge and explanation. I know you go to the moon and back for your precious horse friends😄
How cool was that!!!
The science is interesting. I had no idea horses drank that much water. Boy, they sure eat and drink a lot. I would say, they are high maintenance. Lol
Those thin styrofoam sheets that are used sometimes in packaging might be good to insulate the box since they are light weight too. A few dabs of glue should work to hold them in place, or staples.
You stay warm, you need something hot to drink.
Oooo I appreciate you going the extra mile to do the experiment!!
I wondered how you kept the water from freezing. I love Annie’s solution.
Simple solution! I know my horses would paw and demolish the wood covering pretty quickly. Luckily we can run a cord down to our tank heater.
You are just amazing! Thank you for taking the time to explain once , How to take better care of our horses. Soo a box ! What an easy fix ! Yay
So, you put a hat on it? LOL. Annie was doing a pretty good ice breaker job.
I love your idea about the box that you put over the water it's a great idea 💡
Paint the outside matt black also, every little helps.. ☺
It might if it gets sunny
Iike the cover idea and it works
I see you, Graeme, in front of a physics class, explaining theories and applications of same. Super effective demos... great teaching video. 👍
Thank you Tina :)
Thank you for that explanation )))
you're very welcome
Thank you for that educational video. I love that wooden box solution. Have a great day. 👍
Great editing on this video, Graeme!
This is why I love watching your channel! Learn new things, and old information that I learned ages ago gets brought back up. Amazing video, Graeme! Also, I think I must have missed it- but Roo is gone? He went home im assuming? I just love watching him with you. He is such a good boy! You don't have to answer if you are keeping it private. I just happened to notice in the last video he wasnt here!
Yes Roo only had a month here so he went back home a few days back
Very interesting topic. Thank you Graeme.
This was such a great video!
Thank you!
Great idea. We are very lucky in the uk that we don’t often get temperatures like you do in Canada. Happy new year to everyone 🎉
Happy new year!
Great Science lesson. Thanks! That was really interesting. ☺️
Glad you enjoyed it!
I don't comment much, but I enjoy all of your videos. ☺️
Thank you very much 😊
@@StableHorseTraining you're very welcome! ☺️
Thank. you for all of this information. Very interesting. 👍
very well explained and great advice, Thanks!
Great info, beautiful photography!
Yes, Graeme has a sharp aesthetic eye and creativity.
Very interesting. Thanks!
That was very interesting. Thank you .
Well done, Graeme! Happy new Year!
Thanks! Happy new year to you too Ayeda!
That was super fun and I learned something. What a simple and clever way to fix that issue!! You sure are handy!
Happy New Year and hope you had a wonderful holiday!!
That’s cool
Just wondering if the BC Wildies more instinctively break up the ice because they lived in the wild and they had to?
I believe so, yes.
Genius!!!
Interesting! To put a box to limit the freeze. Thank you for always giving a scientific explanation behind a phenomenon. 👍 Was Annie pawing to break the ice, I wonder? Or is it just a coincidence as she often paws in her bucket of water...
Yes, I have the whole video and had cut just before that. She had found a bit of ice and just naturally busted it up with her foot. I couldn't even discourage her from doing it as I just wanted a nice clear shot of her drinking. Such as it is :) Turned out great in the end.
@@StableHorseTraining thank you! Amazing and it shows how animals survive in the wild using their accute senses and instinct. Therefore I wonder when she does it in normal weather conditions whether it's not just play or a kind of testing of the surface..
I read one guy put a medium size fish in the tub . They claimed it works? But I don't know.
A VERY uneducated idea, nobody should do this.
Annie is such a clever girl.Brilliant idea and maybe some hessian sacks stapled to the inside ?
very interesting, thank you for sharing that. So, what about the sun getting in? I am thinking you can also do that for algae not to build up too. Sun can't reach the water to build the algae up??? Right????
Yes, if you wanted to slow the growth of plant life, you cut off the sun
Very interesting with the cover that’s a great idea 👍🏻I have a question I think you had a video on it , but I can not find it.Ok,the question is does horses need shoes? You did say , that they don’t need shoes I do live in the Ozarks mountain in Missouri and our ground is rocky and I want to go on trail rides with my horse do I need shoes for my horse? Everyone around me says yes.I am confused I just want the best for my horse what is your a pinion?
Shoes are destructive to a hoof. They put many many holes in the outer structure with nails and sometimes the inner structure. This is what causes a horse to "throw a shoe" nothing left substantial to nail to anymore and months of rehab to get past it. Most farriers will also give a very bad trim, but that's a different topic outside of this question, but they justify a very short trim because they are putting a shoe on. It's also usually incredibly habitual that the outer layer (the strongest layer) is rasped off so the foot doesn't "look flared". This is highly destructive.
Shoes are harmful to horse's feet for many reasons, the primary one being that they "peripherally load" the foot. Meaning it's the exact same problem for the horse if the hoof walls were 3/4 of an inch too long. The bottom of the foot, the frog and bars all don't have proper access to the ground and it hurts the connection to the hoof wall all around. In many cases this causes a foot to "sink". I'll cover that in another video.
Most horses "need" shoes because people want to force horses to do things they can't physically handle yet. If somebody took you out across a gravel road, onto a rocky pathway and then to an uneven maybe slippery and heavily rocky area without your shoes or boots on, you'd be in pain at the gravel driveway. That said, over time you can acclimate your feet to that gravel, then you'd start on the rocky pathway and learn to pick your spot to step, in time it'd be easier and faster. Mistakes would hurt less over time too. Then you go further, longer etc. Acclimation is everything. This is why we get blisters and sores when we shovel or garden brand new in the spring perhaps, or start a new job where physical labor beyond our norm hurts us.
A shoe doesn't help the horse, it hides the problems presented for the horse and in fact makes them worse, sometimes irreparably. Every single time a hoof shoe rings out against a rock it sends micro vibrations through the foot destroying good cellular structure (this has been proven scientifically, look up Robert Bowker's findings if you have time). Over time this permanently destroys the inside of the hoof. The nails in the walls, the peripheral loading and heaviness of the shoes all causes problems for the hoof that many times takes years to recover from. Just simply shoeing a horse once will then require 3 months of recovery to grow out the nail holes.
If you want to help your horse and protect it's feet for adverse conditions, use boots. Easy Care Inc makes some fantastic trail boots that you put on like you'd put on running or hiking shoes and then take them off when you're done. There are other companies that are making strong growth with their products but I personally have found Easy Care the best so far. These come in all kinds of sizes and shapes for particular situations. I've done a bunch of videos on them too and are fantastic for rehab as well. Here are a few links:
th-cam.com/video/Bs2hWGOjz-U/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/xcO1ijo2CiQ/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/5TmHp3i6qSI/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/4FlpIENi3KU/w-d-xo.html
Shoeing is a technology from the 1800's that should have been left back there but unfortunately it's hard to change some people as they are stuck in that culture and can't learn or don't want to learn or unfortunately are surrounded by people discouraging them from learning. This usually comes in the form of derision, mocking and social or moral shaming.
The technology over just the past 20 years is light years, literally light years, ahead of the shoeing and I personally consider it a form of torture and abuse to shoe a horse at this point as there are far superior methods to protect hooves and make them better instead of worse. If people did a bit of research on the subject they would 100% agree as there is already enough information out there by now that it's indisputable from both a scientific and moral standpoint.
I hope that helps.
@@StableHorseTraining and shoes slip on the rocks, dead leaves etc..
@@StableHorseTraining Might I suggest that you pin this somewhere so a wider audience will see this. You have probably already covered all this in a video and I know you have spoken about this topic frequently. However, it seems a shame that most people might miss seeing this as it is hidden away in the comments. Or maybe put it on the community page or somewhere like that. Just my thoughts as I read through this very comprehensive summary of the evils of horse shoes. Just awesome!
@@paulasmith8324 I can do that
I wonder if you put a little olive oil on the surface if that would work? Oil freezes at a much lower temperature.
No
Good demonstration and solution. Heat is energy, but cold is not an "energy"; cold is the absence of heat just like light is energy, but darkness is the absence of light. The box also works because even frozen ground is emitting heat, the heat from the earth's molten core that's always present and escaping. You could take advantage of that more by removing the legs of the box if it would still fit. The best part is that you are not using any artificial energy source; it's all self-contained and passive. Great solution.
The ground is absolutely not emitting heat. The only thing the ground does is provide insulation from the air. There is zero difference in the ground temperature to the air temperature away from the underside of the bucket.
Yes, if I had made the box so that the walls went all the way to the bottom then it would be a bit more efficient. Such as it was for the height I needed and the wood I had available. I always appreciate somebody coming along telling me I could have done a better job... It's heartwarming.
P.S. This would stop those horses who like to poop in their water. A much smaller target!
ah.. yes, hopefully
-10C = 14F
Thanks, that should help the 3% of the planet that relies on Fahrenheit as a way to measure temperature :)
@@StableHorseTraining Since we're "just" south of you, I imagine a lot of your viewers are in the US.....
@@timengineman2nd714 yup