Keeping Water From Freezing (Solved) Testing our new Winter Waterers
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- Keeping Water From Freezing! Testing our New Winter Waterers for our chickens! We solved our Problem of them freezing during the day!
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I use the tire with straw stuffed around inside. I also use a soda bottle half filled with vodka. That leaves a good air pocket. It allows it it float on top of the water.
If outside, The wind and chickens will keep the bottle moving to help delay the surface of the water freezing. If inside the chickens peck at the bottle ( because you know how nosey they are) and that helps keep the surface from freezing so quick.
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That's a brilliant idea. Thanks for sharing. I'm gonna try that. 🙏 🤗
Interesting, I will test this in my hen house. The floor gets to cold for a water bucket when the temperature goes down under negative 15-20 C/59-68 F and we often have down to negative 30-40 C on and off during a couple of month. So when I can lay my hands on a suitable tire I will try this out. Thank you for the tip!
If you boil the water it changes the molecular structure and will freeze faster. Hot tap water doesn't freeze faster because the molecular structure is the same as the cold water. Hope this helps
Then why do your hot water pipes freeze before the cold water pipes
The greater the temperature differential, the faster the energy transfer.
That’s not how molecular work , I would have roast you so bad but I wont since your probably a boomer
@@cathy3392 that's not an argument lol you're hot pipes in the wall don't stay hot for long at all.... notice how you have to run the sink for a bit to get hot water...that's because theres a length of pipe sitting with water thats cooled down.....
I have done this experiment… water 80 degrees will definitely freeze before 212 degree water. Water 125 degrees will freeze before 212 water… the Mpemba effect is mostly bogus. It’s really hard to make it work just right.
I LOOOOVE when the snow sparkles like that, it's like a field of tiny diamonds! My second-favorite thing about winter snow!
We use a 5 gal bucket for our dog and stack 3 tires over it and it takes a while to freeze. A lot longer than by it self for sure. And this is without insulating the tires with foam. Easy and cheap!
Pack your tires with straw. It might prolong the freezing stage more. 😊
Cold water freezes faster. Think about the fact that it takes some amount of time to bring the temperature of the hot water down to the starting temperature of the cold water. However long it takes for the cold water to freeze, it will take the hot water that amount of time plus the time it takes for the hot water to be brought down to the starting temperature of the cold water.
Thank you!!! I just moved off grid in September it's now start of November (Canada) and although I've got the coop winterized I've been trying to figure out how to keep their water from freezing! It's already -3°C so I'm already having issues with it. All the water warmers I'd been looking at required electricity so thank you so much for making and sharing this video!!♡
Since most heat escapes from the top of an object, a peice of foam board lid, that covers 3/4 of the surface area, would still allow access to the water for the animals, while delaying the inevitable freeze by perhaps many more hours.
Also, a deeper pan would provide more thermal mass and perhaps slow the cool as well.
Back in the 50’s60’s they used to have food dishes for toddlers that were round & compartmentalized on top, were 2” thick and hollow inside. You could fill them with hot water to keep a toddlers food warm. i don’t know why but your water test made me think of that. Yes I am older than dirt. lol.
I had forgotten all about those. Thanks for the memory.
I’m glad Olivia is doing her research on hedgehogs before getting one. My daughter had one. It’s like having the cutest little pet with all the most horrible habits and problems you could possibly pack into one animal. Be sure to find a vet who is familiar with them if you get one. Even for routine care. I don’t want to discourage or disappoint her, but tell her to pay close attention to their bedding needs and keeping them from, uhh, getting, uhh dirty. LOL. They need a special wheel, too. Olivia, good luck, and I know you’ll take good care of it if you get one!
My friends hedgehog drowned in a couple mm of water cause it was to dumb to lift its head
This was a great experiment. Like you said, it’s not about keeping the water from freezing indefinitely but to keep it drinkable until your next feeding. If it makes it for 12+ hours, you are golden.
I would add another parameter to the experiment, or rather two parameters,
1) try it with different volumes of water, 1/2 gal, 1 gal, 2 gal, 3 gal
2) try it with different opening diameters.
What if you put a floating ball or something inside the water? So that when animals drink they will move it around and maybe keep it from freezing on top for a longer time. Also the wind could blow it around and keep it moving... could be an interesting experiment
Viktor -- Cattle ranchers put a rubber ball in the water tub to keep the water from freezing for a longer time. Just as you said, the animals moving the ball and the wind moving the ball keeps the water from freezing for a longer time. If a person gets serious, they use a solar panel with a water heater. I do not think that is needed here to provide water for chickens and goats, though. Al can just put out water in the morning and the evening.
Also, have you tried putting the salted water method 1/2 full in a water bottle to float around? Animals can move it as well.
install the electricity wherever you need ,plug in an air compressor for fish tank as little as you can find just a couple of watts and the water stay unfrosen.
I have to say that a few hours after watching this video I made a supper very similar to yours. My family loved it!!! Thanks for the inspiration!
Oh, I'm so glad you came on. I was watching the live streams of the French protests, and now I need a detox of sane family life
yeah thats exactly what i was doing i come here to see sanity and kindness
Jadae16t AMEN! I am sick of bad news too!
Thank you so much for this. I’m near Canada and winter is always a concern but I’m not good with electronic things. So the passive heating and something that’s easy to fill and will put up with ducks trying to tip it over is helpful.
Good morning from Florida, a couple of things to think about, the black tire will hold the cold temps letting it get much colder. Also the plain bowl of water was sitting on the frozen ground, try doing it with straw under it. When I was a kid back in New Jersey we used to drain my parents hot water heater ( twice 50 gallons each time ) to fill a small ice skating rink in our back yard and also added hose water it was frozen by the next morning with temps in the mid twenties over night. Good luck with your project.
growing at home getting cards was a big thing it is lovely to see your family keeping up that tradition love the waterers experiment cheers
Yes do a test! The mystery of what freezes first, hot or cold water, is one of those age old questions like what came first the chicken or the egg! Looks like your waterers are working! Have a good weekend
chicken is first! If you look in the dictionary, C comes before E !!🤣
FYI with cold broth, just put the lid on the jar and shake it vigorously to mix in the flour, one less tool to clean.
I split my firewood small last year..... Similar in size to yours & I went through it so fast. This year we have tree hunk pieces & im pleased it is lasting longer
Although it may seem counterintuitive (all other variables being equal), hot water does indeed freeze faster than cold water because warm water evaporates rapidly and since this is an endothermic process, it cools the water making it freeze more quickly.
YES Im the one saying the hot freezes faster! Do the test Al! Nice job on the tire things!
Would be interesting to see warm vs cold, would need to do them all at the same time under the same conditions. I am also glad to see Olivia finally found a good food combination, our boys love peanut butter and banana, well really peanut butter and anything else!
Interesting test, Al. We had -1 degrees F here in Maine, but I run a heat lamp over my chicken water when it is supposed to be 10 degrees or colder.
Blessings to you all.
Hot water freezing faster comes from old fashioned refrigerators where the evaporator (the part that gets cold) formed the bottom of the freezing compartment, and metal ice cube trays. A tray filled with hot water would melt through the frost and sit directly on the evaporator thus getting cooled directly by conduction to the cold metal evaporator while the tray with cold water sat on the somewhat insulating frost and was mainly cooled by air. If you do the experiment with the trays only cooled by air the cold water freezes first as logic suggests.
Here's another clue: No commercial ice machine or ice plant starts with hot water. Instead they pre-chill the incoming water with the cold water that's draining.
Oh! That'd be a fun addition to the farm, a hedgehog! lol Figaro would have a blast with it, I bet!
Thanks for the idea for the chicken waterer using old tires- I'm definitely going to be doing that this weekend with an old oil pan I have lying around.
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I need to find those rubber pans in smaller sizes for all my rabbits!! I have the plastic crocks from Tractor Supply. I fill them up 2, sometimes 3 times a day and they work really great, but I am afraid the plastic will be too brittle during the really cold temps. I used to fill up a 5 gallon water cooler jug with hot water from the tap in the house but today I picked up a 16 gallon heated horse watering bucket. That thing is nice!! It beats lugging 5 gallons from the house to the shop. Now its a 3 gallon jug walking 30 feet. As for the hot water vs cold water freezing test, I remember hearing that hot water freezes first. I think it has something to do with the minerals in the water. When we get goats and chickens I will definitely be using your waterer idea! Great job and thanks for sharing. Oh, watching your meal prep at midnight is no bueno...now I want to get out of bed and into the kitchen to cook something up! Ugh.
I’m always looking for new ways to keep my animal waterers thawed without buying heated waterers. I work at a hardware store and have lots of old tires saved. I see a new project in my future to try this idea. Thanks.
Sweet! I’m up in Bangor and I have lots of old tires so yeah, problem solved. Thanks Al!
In the forties a nd fifties, before frost free freezers on refrigerators, there would be a buildup of ice on the shelf where the ice tray sat. If you put hot water in hour ice tray, it would melt y the tray down into the ice on the shelf, bringing it more into contact t with cold surfaces all around. I have no research, just the thoughts of a 70 yr old gramma. Really enjoy your channel!
You have manure why not use it and make hot boxes like they do to start plants outside in late winter.
to be fair, the video is exactly what you said. but I'd adjust your goals to get a better result. there's PLENTY of ways and I live in a frigid environment much colder than where that is. it won't be room temp as the lows here get in the single digits very often but certainly can keep it above 50 zero problems. different layers of varying insulation is key.
People put hot water in ice trays not because they will freeze faster, but because the ice will become clear. Boiling the water removes the air dissolved in it, producing clear ice as a result.
Love to see the h/c water test. You could set up a saw horse and plywood off the sliding door. 1 it's on the north side so less sun on it. 2 you could set up time lapse camera in nice warm house.
Yes do the test please..I would like to know too.
Good Morning everyone!!
Awesome test...and dinner looked awesome😀
Hey Al, try a big Forstner bit in a drill to route out that foam next time. It works a treat.
10F is -12C, cold but not unusually cold for winters in the North
It's not winter yet...
That’s regular for us here in Canada northern Manitoba
Good morning. Yes please do the cold/warm water freezing test. I have a nickel that says cold water freezes faster. Received my solar powered jar lights yesterday, really cool, really happy with them. Thanks for the tip
The snow was really sparkling. So beautiful. I assume the bowl of water sitting on the ice will freeze first. Have a Wonderful Day!
making 4 feet hole in the ground and put the water on top is the another way to use geotermal heat for winter it realy worked for me.
Yes try the test please. Be neat to see rather than read results. Hi from Florida!
Good job Al!
I’ll be looking for an old tire for my chickie girls and some foam stuff!!!
Try puttin it in a tire that is packed with straw. There needs to be a space posably filled with straw under it so its isn't touching the ground.
Dinner looked delishes but you were missing your veggies. 😊
I did some reading on hot water freezing before cold. Because the hot water is losing some of its volume to condensation in the air (steam) the volume becomes less and with less volume, it will freeze faster. I would imagine its just marginally faster though.
Hot water freezes faster because, it has fewer gases dissolved within in it. Purer water freezes faster. That's why, when you freeze distilled water, it not only freezes faster but, the resulting ice has no frozen gas bubbles suspended within it. If you conduct your experiment, I would suggest using distilled water, as a third comparison against your hot and cold tap water. The quantity of gas bubbles in suspension within each resulting set of ice cubes should prove the point, if I'm correct.
Evaporation also causes more cooling. That's why you can freeze water in a bath of alcohol.
That’s pretty neat. Guess I should get busy insulating a tire for waterer
The water is losing heat from the surface, if you put a tent of bubble wrap over the bowls so the animals can get at the water it should take longer to freeze. Water in a shed with a tin roof will freeze quicker than water in shed with a wooden roof. Water also freezes quicker next to a glass window plastic windows it takes longer.
Keeping the water on the S SE side of a building also helps. Loved your video, thanks
I wonder if you construct a plexiglass box around the tire/bowl with hole on the sides so the goats can drink. I think the plexiglass may create a green house affect and make the water a bit warmer . Just a thought.
my husband did something like you made for our chickens and calves here in Montana. works great and doesn't freeze
keep the same amount of wate, but cover half the top surface to increase the time before freezing
I keep my goats and chickens water thawed by throwing a 20 oz water bottle filled with a very salty water inside. put the lid on shake it and throw it n you will find the water in bucket will not freeze. i was skeptical as well but it works try it..
Hope Andy and gang are enjoying their new roosting poles. Wish we could see them more often.
Of course the one that's sitting directly on the ice is going to cool down and freeze faster then the one that sitting off the ground and in the tire insulated
Robert, he knows the insulated water container will take longer to freeze. The experiment was to find out how much longer it will take to freeze to give him an idea how long the animals would have access to water.
@@scottprice8994 yes I know but where the animals are there's hay on the floor there's a difference that's why I mentioned it if you were going to do an experiment you would do it in the exact of environment as the animals
@@robertsantiago4329 -- This was mostly done to satisfy curiosity. If the water containers were in with the animals, the animals would be drinking the water. Again, that would change the results of the experiment. This is not a university science experiment. I thought it was a fun experiment.
Really fun to look back at projects you were working on and how everyone has grown up!
Hedgehog for Christmas!! Would be a neat little addition to your videos..Have a great weekend Lumnah family and modern steaders!!
I just dont like rubber for water. It leaches into the drinking water. Great to see everyone on the farm doing well.
thermodynamics, it actually requires more energy to go from liquid to solid (over the point of just liquid to boiling). ∴ delaying the time helps refrain the crystallization. worth the insulation. if needed a little of dissolved mineral and ACV may help also, as will lower the freeze point
Found you from Jeff at Bobblehead Homestead, he suggested this video for water freezing. It doesn't get that cold down here thank God, but our water for animals does freeze sometime thanks for the tip.
The hot versus cold water issue is REALLY complicated. If you try, you need to ensure both of them are the same amount of water (smaller amounts of water will freeze faster) and the same type of water (distilled will freeze faster than tap water), etc. And even under pretty strict controls, scientists have seen it go both ways; there's no hard and fast answer. Some times the hot water goes first, other times the cold water does. Evaporation, exact weight, air flow, salt content, all sorts of things can cause it to change.
Also altitude
The water bowl on the ground will drain the heat. What about testing it on top of a styrofoam piece?
Yes do that test to see if hot water freezes faster than cold.
Nice job glad it worked. Liv is really a good girl she looks like she has a lot of fun.
Great idea for the waters. We make our hamburger- salsbury steaks with mushrooms gravey. They are a staple on our farm table. I make them with fresh ground pork too.
Pond in Hebrew is reflection like seeing yourself in a pond and going away and forgetting what you look like n this is why we ponder on things n memorize n pray so that we don’t forget.
The good thing about having snow on the ground...the goats and chickens (if there out) can just take a nice bite of snow....19 degrees here in NC last night....chilly!!!
How much snow did you get from the storm?
Snow does not hydrate animals.
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Why doesn’t it? I’m definitely curious about this comment. 🧐😃
@@michelleblecha9697 yes it does ! Do a Google search before commenting something you don't know ...we are in 2021 smh
Wish i could see the snowy trees and sparkles in the snow...its another lovely side of nature's beauty..I admire the snow but couldn't stand those cold temperatures I get cold easily...Good dinner!🍲🍲🍲
Al, the hot water will freeze first because the atoms are more active thus allowing the colder water to move into their vacated area.
Sounds like a fun test.
Hot water is less dense than cold water thus it will freeze quicker than cold water that being said the open air waterier will freeze up first or should before the tire
Interesting. Animal watering presents some of the the greatest challenges to the the cold weather 'steader.
Thanks for sharing this experiment!
You forgot to add a wider step to the goats hay feeder so she doesn't have to eat her hay sideways. Is the Hedgehog study a project for school or Olivia just likes to study them? Smart girl.
I don't think he forgot. He's probably not gonna do it till Spring. I imagine it would be hard to drill the new plank into the barn and the existing step and feeder (or however he's going to do it) when the wood and everything is frozen solid.
I love this idea! Also, I’d love to see you do a test to see if hot water freezes quicker. My Mother and I were JUST having this discussion about your video before you said it.
A family that prays together stays together
As a mass hot water will freeze slower because it has to loose that heat to get down to freezing temperature. If sprayed into the air the not water will freeze faster because it requires some heat to transition from water to ice.
Definitely see if the hot or cold water freezing is a myth or fact. Good job with waterer Freeze test. The salsbury steaks looked delicious. Great video.
Try your test in Wyoming, where I am told, it gets down to 15 or 20 or more below zero and see if you still have water or if you, on the other hand, could actually “walk on water“without being divine!
Al, you are not comparing this correctly. Your goat waterer is inside a stick built building with three goats in there as a source of heat. Your New Yolk City is a stick built house on wheels that houses chickens that will keep it warmer. The hoop house with chickens will warm faster than the other places, but will be colder at night because the chickens will keep it warmer. To accurately test this you should have put both in the hoop house and the next day both in the wheeled house. Then you would have all the information you need.
The insulated water dishes look to be working well for you. As for 10 years...the important question is where do you want to take the farm. Are you wanting to raise animals or plants. Interesting question and how you make your income is dependent on the choice you make. Stay warm.
good day to you Al, Gina & Olivia !! thanks for sharing another awesome update and adventures on & off the homestead !! 👨🌾🎥👍✝
Yes, hot water and cold water freezing test would be great!
I think Willow is telling her kids that they are grown up and that she's got new priorities on the way. 👍❤🌅🌵
Also, the goats water has a smaller surface and is deeper.
What's Troy up to? HaHa
Looking at Diytube.video I suppose!!
Watch his videos and you will know as much as I do.
Yes! I would like to see your experiment with the hot and cold water.
I came for how to keep watering dish from freezing and stayed after seeing how wonderful you and your family are together.
I'm just a little worried about your cholesterol lol.
Yes please do the hot vs cold water test Al
Use a plastic ball or plastic bottle creating movement to slow down freezing process, especially when disturbed by wind or animals.
Yes, I would like to see the test between hot and cold water
Mpemba Effect. My dad had a old rental property and when it got real cold the pipes would freeze and it was always the hot water pipes. I’m sick of Wisconsin winters
I think the tire water well freeze faster by a longshot say 30% faster because of it being warmer more of it will evaporate and there will be less to freeze.
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This is a blast from the past! ❤
That is good to know, when I get chickens I will do that to help (: thanks
My emergency water bottles sitting on the floor in the house froze solid. We went down to below 0 fahrenheit. Unusual this time of year for Kentucky. Diesn't usualky hapoen until mid-January.
Definitely do the test is have heard that hot water freezes first so now is the time for the truth
I’m on my 3rd heated water setup for my chickens, they only last a year or two, I’ve never tried this method because I assumed it was based on the sun warming the black tire and bowl and my chickens water is in the covered run that’s enclosed on 3 sides so it don’t get the sun shining on it, I think I’ll have to pick up some spray foam and a rubber bowl from the farm store and try it for myself, I’m sure I’ve got a pile of junk tires around here somewhere.
Al, maybe a test without insulation inside a tyre and the other with the insulation. You already now the container freezes without protection. Love watching your videos, by the by. Merry Christmas to you all.