Re: the rude comments... I've said this before: my knowledge of horses, their care and training is negligible to nonexistent. But my eyesight and and hearing are excellent. With Oscar, I saw a horse that was emaciated and withdrawn when he first arrived. Now I see a horse that looks healthy, is responsive to training and commands and so darn lucky to have been rescued by such a knowledgeable and kind equine expert. I do believe there are individuals whose comments are purposely negative and hurtful to create dissension and bolster their own poor self- esteem. Graeme has created a haven not just for horses, but for those of us who were fear-of- virus-isolated and denied of life's pleasures for the past year and a half. For those few minutes, I am transported to another world so totally different from my own, and most appreciative it exists.
Thank you Tina and Aileen - Graeme with his videos and views on horses have been a help to me also, it's also been the attitude and interaction of people such as yourselves, and all the others in this community Graeme has brought together that has made me feel I'm with friends
As always thank you Tina for another lovely comment to read through. I'm not sure what her intent was but I do believe she has the best interests of the horse in mind, but not the knowledge perhaps. Maybe I'm just hopeful. Either way, it's over now and her comments will no longer affect any of us negatively again. What a terrible way to live life I think, to wander around yelling at people and telling them they are doing wrong. Weird.
@@aileen694 It's been a nightmare for us, Aileen, as I'm sure it's been for millions and millions of others. Being able to visit Graeme's haven has been a god-send and reading others' comments is always fun. It's just a happy place to visit.
Ah, the internet. You had already made a video talking about rude people in the comments so I assume it's the same person. When I saw the "Hard-Done-By" video and noticed his ribs, I thought someone would mention them in the wrong way. The work you have done with him is absolutely amazing. He looks like a different horsey altogether. He's putting on some muscles even! He was so skinny and fragile when he got there. That's actually how I found out about your channel and fell in love with that kind looking horsey. Now, I don't want to turn this into a "negative" comment but, I was quite depressed after going bankrupt and through some other hardships after all that's happened last year, and seeing him being rescued, seeing him recovering, finding out about horse behavior filled me with hope. Finding out about how there are so many sad stories out there of horses having a bad fate or living a bad life because of how people treat them, has given my life a new meaning and maybe even a new direction. It has given me the will to get back on my feet so one day I too can help these amazing beings that horses are. You're truly awesome and I feel very grateful that Wildie got so lucky to have someone like you in his life. He's doing great! I don't know how banning people works. I wonder if you can ban them not just from commenting but from even finding the channel, or if that would make it worse. I say this because people like that will usually flag the video and I don't want that. Your channel is a gift, very positive, very educational, very interesting and inspiring and we're lucky to be able to watch it.
Ah yes, this video: th-cam.com/video/4Buwb3wxpNA/w-d-xo.html Yup, same lady. I recall you mentioning that you popped in here thanks to having him here and that's great! What a wonderful coincidence, thank you for being here. I'm sorry you've had to go through some tough times and I'm glad that his process of recovery and growth is encouraging yours. I find that amazing and hopeful as well! I really appreciate your words, support and encouragement throughout this as you have been very positive towards this endeavor and all of the Bob and Ed videos too despite me really not knowing what the heck I'm doing. It was wonderful. I can't ban people from finding the channel, but unless she creates a new user ID, we'll never see her here again.
Mr. Wilde has improved tremendously. He is not starving now. We adopted a starving horse that looked even worse than Mr. Wilde's before picture. With a vet's recommendation we initially fed grass hay and plain oats. It's very important not to feed rich foods when a horse is starving, because their digestive system can't handle it. Same goes for humans.
Sir Oscar Wildie looks wonderful. Yes he is eager to eat and like you say ALL horses are that way. He is also a bit protective of his food. So he needs to know that you are the herd leader and you will say when he can come into the food. This isn't cruel in any way it is the horse way. All horses do this one is dominant and it goes on through the herd to the low horse. It is a language the horse totally understands. Job well done. He is looking great!!!
Thank you Carol! Yes, exactly, just doing what horses do and say "no" for now. He can learn that and should learn that more and more. Consistency is best.
Martine has never been anything but kind and respectful. I can't believe anyone would speak anything but the same way to her. Much ❤️ Martine! And every horse is different. But Graeme is doing a great job and Oscar looks much much better than he did a few months ago. And at no point did I think he was starving. Underweight....yes....but never starving. It's sad that it had to come to the person being banned but this lovely group of people doesn't need that kind of negativity in this community. I think we are very open minded to the fact that there is always more than one way but please be kind to one another. ❤️
??seems to me that weight isn't the only thing you look at when deciding how healthy the horse is. The difference between Mr Wildie between now and then not just his weight but his skin and hair and his eyes, even the way he stands. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just is soooo beautiful now. There's so much difference between the "before & and after". 👏👌
my first horse was rescued and you could see every bone in her body. After a lot of care she recovered. You have done a wonderful job with him. well done, a life saved
Mr. Wildie is looking wonderful! You've saved him from the slaughter house. I'm sorry there are ignorant people out there that speak without knowing a situation. You are nothing but honorable with the patience to boot.
Absolutely remarkable - the difference then and now is like night and day. He looks fantastic! Well done Graeme! Also great that no nasty comments are to be tolerated, especially those that are lies. Glad the person was banned.
Thank you Ayeda. Yes, I had stayed away from looking at past videos for a while there as I wanted to see him when I had completely forgot what he looked like. I was surprised! I didn't remember him like that...
What a difference you’ve made to that horse. Almost hard to believe that’s the same horse. And in your care he’s only going to keep filling out as the weeks go by. I’m glad you made this video and that you make sure rude and disrespectful commenters are banned. It’s not helpful to any horse owners and those who just love horses as we learn nothing from the comments. Keep doing what you’re doing because the rest of your viewers are in agreement with your methods. That’s why we’re here watching and subscribing and supporting your efforts with this and future wildies. 👍🏻🇨🇦 plus we are all in love with your family, the rest of your horses and family pets. You even tried to save an injured dragonfly for crying out loud. How could anyone think you are not doing what’s right for this wildie.
Thank you Moreen. I'm not sure how she thinks he's starving and needs to yell it at myself and Martine. It was odd, but she has put out a few outbursts here and this is the second time she has gone after another commenter. So... that's that. I did save a dragonfly didn't I? hahahha.. totally forgot about that.
Yes, I saw that nasty comment for a few seconds. I was appalled. The transformation you made in Wildie as he is today compared to when he arrived is colossal. He is now in the process of developing muscles. You are right, the light, the position also, may influence the appearence. Normal with other horses and some dogs too. In healthy shorthair dogs the rule is not to see the ribs but feel them. Once I saw old skinny horses in a dry dusty yellow pasture which I reported to an appropriate equine welfare organization for investigation. The owner defended himself in saying they were old horses, as the reason ! They were undernourished. Honestly, such trolls must spend their time criticizing behind their screen. They are just to be ignored ! The attention you bring to animals, including wild life is more than most people would do in rescuing, caring. Great job Graeme👍
Sadly it doesn't take long to find videos of real starving horses on the internet. Oscar looks better and better every day. In fact, he already looks pretty amazing when you consider the short amount of time that he has been in your care. You're doing a great job, Graeme.
I am sorry you and others had to endure such ignorance. I am also sorry, I did not follow the comments and therefor wasn't there to support you and back up others who did. I thank you for your calm, straight forward and swift action in addressing this unfortunate event. I know it may be difficult (because you are kind and caring), but please don't let this dampen your enthusiasm for sharing your love and expertise, surrounding your horses and all animals, domestic, familial or wild, that are in your care, with us.
Thank you Katherine, yes, it is ignorance for sure but at the very least she could have communicated it in a respectful way. It's ok not to provide support :) I'm ok standing at the plate on my own, but I really appreciate that. It's actually not these types of people that dampen my enthusiasm, so no worries there :)
Martine is not only a wonderful supporter of this community of yours, she clearly loves and more important, knows horses. And a world of difference in the before and after pictures of O.W. - much happier now, and not just because of food security - it's the great environment you've provided that has let him thrive.
You're right, sir. I thought the hand gently on his nose and moving him back was a good part of training. And you're right about how to put weight on a horse too. Horses should eat in "captivity" the way they eat in the wild, too. The don't eat oats and other grains. They eat grass. Thank you. You're about the only horse guy I watch. Well done.
Absolutely. It's unfortunate but I've had to protect myself, this community and sometimes the horses from negative comments from those that feel the need to comment negatively. It's my pleasure to step up to the plate and make sure the community doesn't have to deal with those problems. It would be like going to a restaurant and having to put up with people yelling at you for what you eat and not have the manager come over and kick them out. Making a place safe comes with the territory I think.
The difference between Wilde then and now is like night and day, all the credit belongs to you. Your true followers know how much you love wildlife and how devoted you are to your horses’ health and welfare. So sorry you had a troll out there that would not give up, I know you handled it properly. Poor Martine.
Whoa!! Hard to believe that’s the same horse! How beautiful and shiny he is now. I hate it that there always negative people that exist to feel better by running others down. It sure lead to a great lesson though✅
Thanks! Yes, depending on the metabolic capabilities of the horse and the current state of their feet, founder can happen. It's why I'm trimming this guy every two weeks actually as his feet will make a large change over this period and I want to keep up with them.
Thank you for this. I saw that comment, shook my head, laughed at her, and moved on. I'm new to your channel so I didn't know this person had a habit of doing stuff like that. I am amazed at how well you've brought Mr. Wilde on. He looks awesome. You are doing great work with him.
You did more then fine with this boy. He’s a totally different horse now and he turns out to be a real friendly boy…. I say keep doing your passion and pay no attention to the lady behind the curtain 😂🤣. Great job!
I'm sorry this happened and while I don't know half as much as I wish about horses it is clear yours are happy campers. However I can't help but feel that the situation is somewhat hilarious as Wildie in the background is devouring that haybag like there's no tomorrow 😂😂😂 I can almost hear him reply : Graeme : This is not what a starving horse looks like Wildie : Hey speak for yourself this is only my 5th haybag of the day and it's already half empty, man. Also I haven't seen a carrot in at least 5 minutes... Ohanna, at a distance : hear, hear!
Some people seem to think that overfeeding an animal is a way to show kindness. It's not. Animals suffer the ill effects of obesity just as humans do, and maybe even more. It takes time to put a healthy weight on an animal. You can't just stuff a starving animal, although that may be our first inclination. Your horses all look amazing, sleek, and healthy, the result of your careful management of them and their particular problems.
I have rescued some starving horses, 3 of them were so bad that I didn't think they would make it. They were so skinny that you could see their ribcage where the ribs attached to their backbone. One of them was a 6 month old filly that was so thin that my vet told me not to get too attached to her. My pasture was in great condition and my horses were always on pasture and I supplemented them with horse pellets. It took over a year to get her nice and fat. She ended up the best horse I have had. She was stunted. The other 2 were my wild Mustangs that were 12 and 15 years old. It took a year for them to get fat. Mr. Wildie was thin when you got him, but not starving and he is coming along quite well. What you were doing in that video was training, which is your job which you do quite well. I hope you blocked her from committing. There is a saying that you can please some of the people all the time , but you can't please all of the people some of the
I live right on the edge of Amish country in Ohio and they all pretty much say you feed them until they can not or does not want another strand of what ever it is you are giving them, be it oats, hay, or even pasture grass.
From what I've seen, watching horse rescue channels, it's important to start feeding the under weight horses slowly, making it the safer way for them. Oscar is so beautiful 😍 ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎🦍🐐🐕🐓
Every time I see you post a new video of your new project horse, he is looking better and better. You’ve done a FANTASTIC job with him!....it’s not just weight either, he was riddled with parasites and in extremely poor condition, now he glows.
The "Before" was heartbreaking. The "After" - no one would guess that's the same horse! I adopted a starving dog ravaged with heartworms. I know when people saw me walking her they must have thought I was denying her food, but I couldn't stuff her. Her depleted body couldn't handle it. 3 very small meals per day and 5 months later (it took that long because of the heartworm treatment and recovery) she was a sleek beauty with a shining coat, just like Mr. Wilde. You really shouldn't let anonymous, nasty people get to you. We see only brief snapshots of the daily happenings at your place, but we know how much very hard work goes into caring for all these horses. You work wonders with the formerly ragged, scared, hungry wildies you take in, and with domesticated, "special" ones like Gracie who desperately needed someone to understand and help her.
I know absolutely nothing about feeding horses because I've never had any. I have always looked at your horses as being pictures of perfection. I have never known what you've fed the horses, all I know is that whatever it was you were doing - you knew what you were doing and do it well. I can see where Gracie could use a few pounds, but I suspect she burns a whole lot of calories by how active she is. (I am still thinking of the backwards ninja dance she did in one video, lol! ) She is positively beautiful, as are all the other horses under your care. It is the reason I mentioned it the other day in a post. I have never had a single thought that all of your horses were being fed well and properly.
Graeme, it always does a heart so good to watch your videos and how caring & good you are with the horses and especially Mr. Wilde! He is a lucky horse, so sweet and watching his transformation is amazing! I’ve learned a lot thanks to you! Thank you! 💕🐎🐎🐎💕
She must had been blind. He's looking so good and it takes months and months even to years to get a malnourished horse to his correct weight. And in my opinion, you, my friend know exactly what you are doing. He's gorgeous thanks to you. They all are beautiful thanks to you. I watch and learn. Thank you for your patience, dedication and pure love of the horse. ❤️
Truly Mister Wildie does look fantastic now ! And just as you say in this video, now it will be more about building muscles than just putting weight on. People sometimes (too often ...) talk without knowing what they are talking about ... On youtube you can find videos from rescue organizations that rescue horses that are so starved they have to struggle to help them survive. Wildie has never been skinny to that point, far from it. Just underweight, but 2 months later thanks to 24h hay and the grain mixtures he looks healthy and beautiful. How much time it takes to put weight on depends on age, general health condition and on the breed as well. In "my" barn we have horses of all kinds and now in late spring/early summer and the rich grass that came with it many ponies put fat on and have to be regulated to come back to normal weight, whereas the thoroughbreds remain lean. You witness this with Gracie-Lena at your place. Last year a 15 year old arrived, skinny after disease (he fell ill during corona lockdown and the owner had no right to visit him in his pevious barn). It took almost 1 year for him to put reasonable weight on, only because he has a chronic health problem. Old horses sometimes look "starved" because they loose muscles that cannot be rebuilt at high age. So people should always consider the big picture and not judge too quickly. Anyways, we and most importantly you yourself know you are doing great and whenever you have a doubt you ask your own vet for advice 😊
Thank you very much! I definitely wouldn't put a starving/underweight horse on grass. There are many reasons not to and just to take the time it takes. Yes, thoroughbreds are lean and are regularly seen as underfed. Muscles are next and I expect this guy to put on lots!
Speaking of starving horses, I wonder if you have already talked about emaciated horses and how to feed them. Being brand new in the horsey world, I know you can't feed those horses too much too quickly. The portions need to be very small, I assume. But I wonder how often and exactly how much you would need to feed them so their metabolism won't collapse and they stomachs will be able to handle it. I was looking for Horse Sanctuaries here in Portugal where I could volunteer to help taking care of them somehow. Unfortunately, they're on the opposite side of the country. I saw one emaciated mare on their Instagram they had rescued. She was so skinny, yet so beautiful. Pure white. She was eating some hay, she looked very docile, but the post was actually mentioning she had passed away even though she was eating again. Very, very sad. I think that how to feed an emaciated horse would be an invaluable tip for someone trying to help a horsey that is actually starving. And starving horses are much skinnier than Wildie ever was when he got there.
I haven't talked about that at all. I would prefer if I had a direct example and maybe be able to talk about it with people who are directly in the industry of rescuing horses like that. They would have far more experience and stories to share.
So sorry to hear that you felt it necessary to act on another's comments. Rotten to have to do that. Oscar is a fantastic testament to you and your family's skill and hard work. Oscar will no doubt benefit from all your plans for your lovely property as well as his good quality ad lib hay 👍
Hello this is an old video I m watching now but I have been following you n the horses for months now and I enjoy everything you post. Your horses r not starving so don’t feel bad.your are doing a lovely fulfilling job keep it uo
So sorry you had to deal with this situation. I've been thinking just how good Oscar has been looking; he's been putting on weight & filling out & his coat has to be testament to how well you're taking care of our handsome boy !!!
Thank you! It's ok, just par for the course in being a teacher in the public eye. All sorts of people sometimes need a bit of direction, it's the times that they just seem to not want to learn that you have to let them go. She had three chances to come around and ignored all of them.
I loved watching this!! and all of your videos! I have a bunch of rescue horses and some came to me in not very good condition. I do feed nets all day as well.. my horses are happy healthy and very well loved!!! The passion you have is evident. Its really wonderful to see.
Excellent points!!! As a nurse we always examine a patient holistically. You’ve clearly presented your horse holistically: top line, bottom line, angel of body, conformation, (many other factors, hydration muscle composition age teeth general stress level, communication with you, communication with the other horses, weather, temperature , pathogens/worms, play time etc. etc.) I appreciate your patience and transparency. Rather than being angry (which I might be) you address the issue and educate. ♥️
My phone went crazy. You did great in the video as always! God Bless you, Graeme. I watch all you videos, tight now I'm a little over a week late and I think you're an amazing trainer.
He looks great in the short time you have had him ☺️ his progress all around seems normal! You’re doing an awesome job. I always love your content and delivery can wait to see more with Mr. Wilde and the whole herd this summer 👏🏼💕
The other commenters said what I’ve thought, that he looks fantastic compared to how he was when you first got him. No not starving, not even underweight looking.
Wow Mr Wilde looks pretty darn healthy to me. He’s come along nicely in your care. I agree with another commenter that he’s lucky 🍀 to have ended up with you. It’s maddening to read some comments that people post. If you banned her than I know she deserved it. Not sure if it’s jealousy, ignorance or just love to make trouble but people like that need to be banned. Just ignoring them isn’t enough. MLFNY 😘❤️
I’ve sometimes observed when people decry an an obviously healthy animal is “starving”, that if they own an animal of their own it’s over fed to the point of being unhealthy. Food is equated to love, to the point of detriment.
Graeme, thanks for showing the comparison footage from when you first got him. What a difference! He looks so healthy and rounded now. Couldn't see any sharp angles! That must be so satisfying for you, after all the time and energy you've put in (to say nothing of all the feed!). Just to ask, are you sure that the offending person wasn't just saying that he was 'starving' in the same sense that I say 'I'm starving!" when I'm just hungry and very far from literally starving?!
Yes. Quite sure it wasn't like that at all. There was more to it. I thought I had taken a screenshot before I deleted both comments but I can't find it... Anyways, Martine can attest to it as well if you look through the comments here.
I just saw this video and I wanted to say that there is a guy on TH-cam who absolutely hates the color pink and girly horse stuff (very condescending). He has a few female followers (also only a few horses) who think he is God's gift to horses (he's not, although he is good with them). They go to other horse websites and criticize ALL who do not do exactly as their hero does. The person you banned may very well have been one of his "disciples." The guy actually has a video about his horses escaping and he let them roam for a while - more than once it seems. The guy is a jerk. I never posted how bad THAT was, although I felt like it. Every horse trainer and horseman has their own methods which work for them, but that's no reason to go around criticizing other experienced trainers. I'm old now, but I used to own horses, so I know well enough that people have differences in methods that work for them.
You're correct! She was. I rarely have the bad folks from there come around, I have a few good folks that watch him but they have gone very quiet as to who they are as they know I don't tolerate that person AT ALL. It's very easy to tell when one does as they mimic his bullying and name calling behaviors as if they are a great way to communicate with total strangers. We don't stand for bullying around here and he is at the top of the list in my book that pretends to be "helping" and "teaching". There just couldn't be a worse example out there.
Ribs being an indicator of hunger, your right. You can’t take that as indicative to starvation. Darcy has Cushings and his ribs always show… it’s part of the disease. Your Wildie is looking very good! I was always told that it takes twice as long to gain the weight back as it did to loose it. I did that with Jarvis and he never had any illnesses along the way. Great job with this video!
Thank you Danielle! That's an interesting thing to hear, I'm not entirely sure it takes twice as long, but it certainly seems reasonable. Cushings is hard, it's wonderful you are taking care of him so well.
10% rule I assume means they should be fed 10% of their body weight each day? So the draftees I worked with as a kid should have had 200 lbs a day? Oy! They wouldn't have fit through the barn door after about 3 months. Maybe those two were easy keepers, but I was told in no uncertain terms that they'll generally eat what they need unless they're worried about getting enough. Made sense to me. Tom and Dolly both always looked just fine and had plenty of energy in harness. If they get too heavy it gets pretty tough on their lower legs and hooves too, so there is that. IMHO I think Mr. Wilde is starting to look pretty darn good compared to the Mr. Slim that arrived awhile back.
I have a one year two month old Mustang Gelding and I’m giving him all the hay he wants and beet pulp with a little of senior feed but he has to be ready for a competition in July. I’ve had him straight from Wild since late March. He’s looking good now and I’m reducing the grain and beet pulp.
yeah agree with you completely... he does not look underweight he looks a bit under muscle... is that a thing lol also my vet told me that you should be able to feel their ribs and see them a bit. this guy looks great really... if he had to much more and you couldn't see his ribs I would say he would be getting overweight which causes problems too... but I guess I can see how people who are unaware and think it would help to speak up... they need to be willing to listen and learn though... I like this idea of constant hay because I learned that horses need a lot of hay to keep their digestion in good working order. Grain is not what they need to gain weight i totally agree with you on that. What I did not know until recently is that alfalfa is the best way to put weight on a skinny horse or a starving horse... I thought it would make them colic but infact the grain will make them colic before the alfalfa... the more ya know right. thankyou so much for the vidoes
I have a horse I take care of that needs weight and he is 23 years and lost weight with old man teeth. Started with hay cubes with Timothy hay pellets in a mash?
OMG... That must be frustrating when you are doing all you can do to help your horses and have someone just being blatantly rude and offensive. Obviously, she didn't watch the other videos when Oscar first got there and now. It's like night and day.. I'm fairly new to your channel but I've been binge watching your videos and I've seen the wonderful transformation of Oscar. He definitely won the lottery getting you as an owner..
It is, but to be honest the people who come in to say bad things are so few and far between. I get very little of them as I'm sure they see they are completely overshadowed by the amazing community of people that have gathered and post comments on a daily level. I'm blown away every single day when I get up and see so many encouraging and positive comments towards the horses, myself and others here that are commenting. Thank you for your support here, I really appreciate it and I appreciate you took the time to say something.
You mentioned, in the beginning you gave the horse some grain, how much and what kind? Also, what kind of hay do you give them? I have got a horse that was very sick, I got her teeth done, by a veterinarian and wormed, she has me giving her Purina senior. A couple hands full for a week , then increase. And she has grass hay. She is no longer sick. Just needs the weight on her. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 🙏
In this enlightened age, should we still teach our children and pets manners? Is it cruel? Or is it negligent, and cruel not to? One day Oscar will have a different owner. Maybe she's a kid? Goes cantering in to collect the hay-bags (no-one's watching!) like she does, (none of the other ponies mind.) But Oscar hasn't been taught to have manners. He see's the hagbag being taken, pins his cute ears, rounds his chubby bum, and belts the cute kid in the head, three times. Oopsie! Dear sweet Oscar did that? Who could see that coming? Someone, maybe Mum, finds the kid on the floor. It's OK, she's not dead. Just a little concussion. Hopefully not brain damage; Let's wait and see? The kid won't get a say in what happens next. Telling about the cantering and how Oscar was surprised, maybe? wont stop Mum calling the Dealer; Wont stop the Dealer sending Oscar; Now branded a Dangerous horse, for meat; Wont stop what Greame tried so hard to avoid, Oscar being Put on a plane and terrified. Spending his last days and weeks, roughly and badly treated, miserable and fearful, before being transformed into a tasty treat. Greame, you do what you have to do (With love; Of course) to keep this dear horsey safe. A Safe well trained horse has a good shot and a long happy life. We all know, doing less, lets the horse down, never mind the next owner, who might end up being a damaged and heartbroken kid. Horses even ponies are big and strong compared to us humans. (Too strong if it comes to a brute strength contest.) Especially so to the kids that so often are the ones who want to ride and handle them. So, the horses need manners; To know how to behave around us. We humans ought to know how to behave too, but regardless, it is the humans that hold the power over the horse. Bad horses lose their lovely homes. Get passed around until the only option left is the Dealer or the Auction; The dreaded and shameful, slaughter pipeline. Goodness knows how hard it will be to let Oscar go, but with all of us Softies watching his progress, likely someone nice (even local?) will come forward to offer a wonderful home. (Lots of scratchings!) And then the next skinny scared Wildie will get his chance to be saved and go through the wonderful, Horse building, Greame experience.
Yes, we should teach manners and respect and kindness all rolled into one. I do think it's unfair not to, look at Gracie as a great example. Yes, I agree that if he has other people around him, he should have a base to draw from on how to act around humans. How that human changes him will be up to the human of course, but it won't be because of a lack of prep and time. As they say, the best thing you can give a horse for a long life is an education because I agree, one thing can quickly brand a horse as bad and/or dangerous. Gracie again is the best example here. It will definitely be hard to let him go and I've had a LOT of people tell me not to..
Sad to hear that people sometimes need to pick on others without having enough clues to do so- and apparently without having their homework done... Welcome on the internet... I mean, technically some look at lots of the other videos including horsey checks should indicate that the horses usually get enough hay all day long, so that they can burn enough calories... And yes, getting a former wild horse usually means that they are not rolling in surplus food- in fact, looking at recent footage from wild horses (USA oder Canada) one rarely sees a big fat horsey with shiny coat... Also at the holding stations the operators won't feed unneccesary hay and other stuff due to costs... And there is a difference to a horse thats being "thin fed" and really starving and underweight- wich also depends on the race/breed of the horse. Some time ago I had a look at some good videos of another canadian trainer (also in BC), that works with thoroughbreds and trains some OTTB for future life as riding/family horse. Her own horse was a rescue and significantly smaller because of malnourishment that he should have been at his age, and she also could demonstrate on the thouroughbreds when due to the athletic build/training programme the ribs might slightly show, and why with this breeds a figure like Lena or Nanners would be dangerous to them... Gaining weight: Every horse is different, ogf course, depending on metabolism, and especially wild horses (mustangs, wildies, brumbies etc.) are specialized to get along with the food they find there- which is in most cases no plentiful green meadow. So letting them graze all day on a beautiful huicy green grassy plain could result in severe problems due to much sugar/protein available to the organism. Anecdote: On the channel of a german horse physio/Osteo, that takes also horses in for longer trainings, one horse was not nicely treated at the former boarding stable in austria, and was underweight. This gelding ended up with IIRC up to 7 kg black oats a day, and some hay on top as long as his appetite was there. This was also due to the fact that about 100 kg should be gained AND he was there to do some training (desensitazion and some ridden training), so he would need some energy. And Mr. Wildie here is showing progress: From skinny with bad fur to a horse with shiny coat in about 2 months should give a clue to people- the finer points are always debateable, but the general direction should be there. As such, don't get overly annoyed with thosefolks. In germany there is a saying: "PIty comes for free, but envy has to be earned" - seems you have done a solid job and I see such scenes as (unpleasant) signs of success.
I feel as if this lady genuinely felt that he is in danger of being malnourished. How she communicated what she felt was the problem, not that she felt it or had the impression of it. She's an avid follower of another TH-cam channel that communicates to others in the same way, so I expect she's knowledgeable in some ways but in other ways not. Attacking any of the other commenters here is a really quick way to get banned, and as such, she was. I don't believe she followed many videos here and sort of cherry picked a few to come in and tell me what for. Oddly... she commented a couple of nice things as well. Thank you for your support and encouragement and kind words! It's very much appreciated. I agree, weight gain is variable, hard to say exactly what is the right amount and in this video I was generalizing for the average horse I think. I'm sure results vary based on environment, breed and food provided.
@@StableHorseTraining Of course, the danger of malnourishment when changing environments including food change is always present. And yes, it should be possible to voice concerns in a reasonable way. In my opinion, there is only a really reliable way to determine if a organism (horse or human) is lacking nutritients: This involves bloodwork/analysis, where certain markers get analyzed that will/can give some hints of what else is going on in the body. Important here bio markers for inflammation etc. Big disadvantage: The more information you want to get, the more $$$ you have to put on the table. The second best thing: Have a GOOD osteopath that examines the whole horse and can tell according to some hints like spots in the iris of the eyes, lymph system and some other hints like hair quality where you stand. Problem: Lots of mediocre folks out there. Generally a good idea is a chiropractic routine check incl. necessary adjustments- works wonder in some cases, especially when everythings seems to be quite ok. (In the riding center my cousin works as trainer/instructor, the lesson horses get regular chiro/osteo checkup and adjustment as "preventive maintenance", to pick up potential problems before a horse gets lame etc. Maybe more common in Germany than in Canada, or easier to come by due to closer distances... Some scenes from a german "original" named Tamme Hanken (R.I.P.) included moments where he checked the horse that was running stiff on one side, and then asked the rider on which side she usually tends to lie down on the couch watching TV- and then explained that she as a rider was also bent and this caused to horse having to compensate for a non-straight rider and therefore causing problems. After having adjusted both of them he explained then the whole causality chain leading to a problematic horse due to overcompensation problems and bad shoeing... Some of the videos also shown on youtube are obviously produced for a TV audience and therefore at some points a bit more dramatic that what they would need to be, but nonetheless quite educational from which avoidable causes a horse gets problems.
Anyone who knows horses would know that , just ignore her you’re doing a fine job,also a horse loses weight in winter and regains in spring ,natures way in the wild.
You have done great with those under your care, OW is a completely different horse from when he arrived. Sorry you have to put up with trolls like her, unfortunately the anonymity of the internet have let Karens like her to flourish. Wonder if she is the same one that Rick (Think like a horse) featured and subsequently verbally torched?
Thanks Rich, I appreciate that, but despite how socially acceptable it has become, calling people a troll or a Karen is still name calling in my books and not something I promote/encourage/support. This person is adamant in their mind that the horse is not being cared for, how they communicate that is up to them and she chose for the fourth time to yell it at me and another person here. If she had simply communicated her concerns and asked me to show different, she'd still be here. I have absolutely no idea what Rick is doing, I stopped watching him years ago once I became aware of his bigotry, misogyny, racist and verbally abusive tendencies to communicate his knowledge to the world. I do respect he has a lot of knowledge and is spreading it out to hopefully help horses and I did see when Mr. T died as one of my viewers made me aware of it. It's incredibly sad to lose a close friend like that and I let him know he has my condolences for it. That's it though. I expect that it wasn't that lady as this particular person has already told me I have no idea how to work with a horse and that I should go learn from Rick (in all caps of course). She has learned well how to talk to people with name calling and yelling...
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Re: the rude comments...
I've said this before: my knowledge of horses, their care and training is negligible to nonexistent. But my eyesight and and hearing are excellent. With Oscar, I saw a horse that was emaciated and withdrawn when he first arrived. Now I see a horse that looks healthy, is responsive to training and commands and so darn lucky to have been rescued by such a knowledgeable and kind equine expert. I do believe there are individuals whose comments are purposely negative and hurtful to create dissension and bolster their own poor self- esteem. Graeme has created a haven not just for horses, but for those of us who were fear-of- virus-isolated and denied of life's pleasures for the past year and a half. For those few minutes, I am transported to another world so totally different from my own, and most appreciative it exists.
Tina, thank you for your remarks on the value of Graeme's videos. They have really been inspiring to me also, during these dark times!
Thank you Tina and Aileen - Graeme with his videos and views on horses have been a help to me also, it's also been the attitude and interaction of people such as yourselves, and all the others in this community Graeme has brought together that has made me feel I'm with friends
As always thank you Tina for another lovely comment to read through. I'm not sure what her intent was but I do believe she has the best interests of the horse in mind, but not the knowledge perhaps. Maybe I'm just hopeful. Either way, it's over now and her comments will no longer affect any of us negatively again. What a terrible way to live life I think, to wander around yelling at people and telling them they are doing wrong. Weird.
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It's been a nightmare for us, Aileen, as I'm sure it's been for millions and millions of others. Being able to visit Graeme's haven has been a god-send and reading others' comments is always fun. It's just a happy place to visit.
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And with good people like you, also, poison sumac.
Ah, the internet. You had already made a video talking about rude people in the comments so I assume it's the same person. When I saw the "Hard-Done-By" video and noticed his ribs, I thought someone would mention them in the wrong way. The work you have done with him is absolutely amazing. He looks like a different horsey altogether. He's putting on some muscles even! He was so skinny and fragile when he got there. That's actually how I found out about your channel and fell in love with that kind looking horsey.
Now, I don't want to turn this into a "negative" comment but, I was quite depressed after going bankrupt and through some other hardships after all that's happened last year, and seeing him being rescued, seeing him recovering, finding out about horse behavior filled me with hope. Finding out about how there are so many sad stories out there of horses having a bad fate or living a bad life because of how people treat them, has given my life a new meaning and maybe even a new direction. It has given me the will to get back on my feet so one day I too can help these amazing beings that horses are. You're truly awesome and I feel very grateful that Wildie got so lucky to have someone like you in his life. He's doing great!
I don't know how banning people works. I wonder if you can ban them not just from commenting but from even finding the channel, or if that would make it worse. I say this because people like that will usually flag the video and I don't want that. Your channel is a gift, very positive, very educational, very interesting and inspiring and we're lucky to be able to watch it.
Ah yes, this video: th-cam.com/video/4Buwb3wxpNA/w-d-xo.html Yup, same lady. I recall you mentioning that you popped in here thanks to having him here and that's great! What a wonderful coincidence, thank you for being here. I'm sorry you've had to go through some tough times and I'm glad that his process of recovery and growth is encouraging yours. I find that amazing and hopeful as well! I really appreciate your words, support and encouragement throughout this as you have been very positive towards this endeavor and all of the Bob and Ed videos too despite me really not knowing what the heck I'm doing. It was wonderful. I can't ban people from finding the channel, but unless she creates a new user ID, we'll never see her here again.
Mr. Wilde has improved tremendously. He is not starving now. We adopted a starving horse that looked even worse than Mr. Wilde's before picture. With a vet's recommendation we initially fed grass hay and plain oats. It's very important not to feed rich foods when a horse is starving, because their digestive system can't handle it. Same goes for humans.
Sir Oscar Wildie looks wonderful. Yes he is eager to eat and like you say ALL horses are that way. He is also a bit protective of his food. So he needs to know that you are the herd leader and you will say when he can come into the food. This isn't cruel in any way it is the horse way. All horses do this one is dominant and it goes on through the herd to the low horse. It is a language the horse totally understands. Job well done. He is looking great!!!
Thank you Carol! Yes, exactly, just doing what horses do and say "no" for now. He can learn that and should learn that more and more. Consistency is best.
Martine has never been anything but kind and respectful. I can't believe anyone would speak anything but the same way to her. Much ❤️ Martine! And every horse is different. But Graeme is doing a great job and Oscar looks much much better than he did a few months ago. And at no point did I think he was starving. Underweight....yes....but never starving. It's sad that it had to come to the person being banned but this lovely group of people doesn't need that kind of negativity in this community. I think we are very open minded to the fact that there is always more than one way but please be kind to one another. ❤️
Thank you Missy😍
@@martineinfrance of course friend! ❤️
@@missys merci Missy😀💐 c'est très gentil.
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??seems to me that weight isn't the only thing you look at when deciding how healthy the horse is. The difference between Mr Wildie between now and then not just his weight but his skin and hair and his eyes, even the way he stands. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just is soooo beautiful now. There's so much difference between the "before & and after". 👏👌
True, he looks awake now, happy, alive ! Ready for life ...
That's a really good point actually, I wish I had made it at the time.
my first horse was rescued and you could see every bone in her body. After a lot of care she recovered. You have done a wonderful job with him. well done, a life saved
Wow! That's a thin horse. I'm so glad I didn't have to bring this guy back from that, it's a long road, great to hear you did it!
Mr. Wildie is looking wonderful! You've saved him from the slaughter house. I'm sorry there are ignorant people out there that speak without knowing a situation. You are nothing but honorable with the patience to boot.
Thank you very much :)
Absolutely remarkable - the difference then and now is like night and day. He looks fantastic! Well done Graeme! Also great that no nasty comments are to be tolerated, especially those that are lies. Glad the person was banned.
Thank you Ayeda. Yes, I had stayed away from looking at past videos for a while there as I wanted to see him when I had completely forgot what he looked like. I was surprised! I didn't remember him like that...
What a difference you’ve made to that horse. Almost hard to believe that’s the same horse. And in your care he’s only going to keep filling out as the weeks go by. I’m glad you made this video and that you make sure rude and disrespectful commenters are banned. It’s not helpful to any horse owners and those who just love horses as we learn nothing from the comments. Keep doing what you’re doing because the rest of your viewers are in agreement with your methods. That’s why we’re here watching and subscribing and supporting your efforts with this and future wildies. 👍🏻🇨🇦 plus we are all in love with your family, the rest of your horses and family pets. You even tried to save an injured dragonfly for crying out loud. How could anyone think you are not doing what’s right for this wildie.
Thank you Moreen. I'm not sure how she thinks he's starving and needs to yell it at myself and Martine. It was odd, but she has put out a few outbursts here and this is the second time she has gone after another commenter. So... that's that. I did save a dragonfly didn't I? hahahha.. totally forgot about that.
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@@StableHorseTraining when did you save a dragonfly
Yes, I saw that nasty comment for a few seconds. I was appalled. The transformation you made in Wildie as he is today compared to when he arrived is colossal. He is now in the process of developing muscles. You are right, the light, the position also, may influence the appearence. Normal with other horses and some dogs too. In healthy shorthair dogs the rule is not to see the ribs but feel them. Once I saw old skinny horses in a dry dusty yellow pasture which I reported to an appropriate equine welfare organization for investigation. The owner defended himself in saying they were old horses, as the reason ! They were undernourished.
Honestly, such trolls must spend their time criticizing behind their screen. They are just to be ignored ! The attention you bring to animals, including wild life is more than most people would do in rescuing, caring. Great job Graeme👍
Agree!
I agree with Graeme's compliment 😉😘🌸
Agreed
Martine my bison friend. Sorry you had a mean troll. You know they have small minds because they’re small people. Keep the faith.
@@scratchgolfer12 thank you Brenda !
Sadly it doesn't take long to find videos of real starving horses on the internet. Oscar looks better and better every day. In fact, he already looks pretty amazing when you consider the short amount of time that he has been in your care. You're doing a great job, Graeme.
That's true, an actual starving horse sure looks different. Thank you!
Mr. Wilde looks beautiful 🤩 it’s truly his good fortune that you rescued and are rehabilitating this healthy and handsome boy.
Thank you very much
@@StableHorseTraining mr wild looks awesome very handsome fellow
I am sorry you and others had to endure such ignorance. I am also sorry, I did not follow the comments and therefor wasn't there to support you and back up others who did. I thank you for your calm, straight forward and swift action in addressing this unfortunate event. I know it may be difficult (because you are kind and caring), but please don't let this dampen your enthusiasm for sharing your love and expertise, surrounding your horses and all animals, domestic, familial or wild, that are in your care, with us.
Thank you Katherine, yes, it is ignorance for sure but at the very least she could have communicated it in a respectful way. It's ok not to provide support :) I'm ok standing at the plate on my own, but I really appreciate that. It's actually not these types of people that dampen my enthusiasm, so no worries there :)
Martine is not only a wonderful supporter of this community of yours, she clearly loves and more important, knows horses. And a world of difference in the before and after pictures of O.W. - much happier now, and not just because of food security - it's the great environment you've provided that has let him thrive.
Thank you Poison sumc☺️ it is very kind of you
She sure is! Thank you very much Sue :)
You're right, sir. I thought the hand gently on his nose and moving him back was a good part of training. And you're right about how to put weight on a horse too. Horses should eat in "captivity" the way they eat in the wild, too. The don't eat oats and other grains. They eat grass. Thank you. You're about the only horse guy I watch. Well done.
Thank you. Agreed all around :)
Thank you for protecting the positive atmosphere of this online community. I love this channel because of it. Thank you.
Absolutely. It's unfortunate but I've had to protect myself, this community and sometimes the horses from negative comments from those that feel the need to comment negatively. It's my pleasure to step up to the plate and make sure the community doesn't have to deal with those problems. It would be like going to a restaurant and having to put up with people yelling at you for what you eat and not have the manager come over and kick them out. Making a place safe comes with the territory I think.
The difference between Wilde then and now is like night and day, all the credit belongs to you. Your true followers know how much you love wildlife and how devoted you are to your horses’ health and welfare. So sorry you had a troll out there that would not give up, I know you handled it properly. Poor Martine.
Thank you Brenda :) Yes, I was a bit amazed myself when I went through the old footage... he's totally different!
Whoa!! Hard to believe that’s the same horse! How beautiful and shiny he is now. I hate it that there always negative people that exist to feel better by running others down. It sure lead to a great lesson though✅
Good for you! He's actually put weight on faster than some do. Founder is also an issue when feeding a "starving" horse especially with grains.
Thanks! Yes, depending on the metabolic capabilities of the horse and the current state of their feet, founder can happen. It's why I'm trimming this guy every two weeks actually as his feet will make a large change over this period and I want to keep up with them.
Thank you for this. I saw that comment, shook my head, laughed at her, and moved on. I'm new to your channel so I didn't know this person had a habit of doing stuff like that. I am amazed at how well you've brought Mr. Wilde on. He looks awesome. You are doing great work with him.
Thank you!
Mr.Wilde has come on amazingly since he's been with you. The overall dull look is gone he's beaming now fuller, brighter and confident Well done
Thank you very much!
You did more then fine with this boy. He’s a totally different horse now and he turns out to be a real friendly boy….
I say keep doing your passion and pay no attention to the lady behind the curtain 😂🤣. Great job!
He looks stunning. My boy came out winter with dropped condition but as soon as grass came he got it back.
I'm sorry this happened and while I don't know half as much as I wish about horses it is clear yours are happy campers. However I can't help but feel that the situation is somewhat hilarious as Wildie in the background is devouring that haybag like there's no tomorrow 😂😂😂 I can almost hear him reply :
Graeme : This is not what a starving horse looks like
Wildie : Hey speak for yourself this is only my 5th haybag of the day and it's already half empty, man. Also I haven't seen a carrot in at least 5 minutes...
Ohanna, at a distance : hear, hear!
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hahaha... that was hilarious. So true too.
Some people seem to think that overfeeding an animal is a way to show kindness. It's not. Animals suffer the ill effects of obesity just as humans do, and maybe even more. It takes time to put a healthy weight on an animal. You can't just stuff a starving animal, although that may be our first inclination. Your horses all look amazing, sleek, and healthy, the result of your careful management of them and their particular problems.
Thank you!
I think Oscar looks amazing. A world of difference from when he came to you. He's looking beautiful. He's my boy! Got such a soft spot for him ❣❣😊
Thank you! No surprise, he's a big softy and would steal anybody's heart!
I have rescued some starving horses, 3 of them were so bad that I didn't think they would make it.
They were so skinny that you could see their ribcage where the ribs attached to their backbone. One of them was a 6 month old filly that was so thin that my vet told me not to get too attached to her. My pasture was in great condition and my horses were always on pasture and I supplemented them with horse pellets. It took over a year to get her nice and fat. She ended up the best horse I have had. She was stunted.
The other 2 were my wild Mustangs that were 12 and 15 years old. It took a year for them to get fat.
Mr. Wildie was thin when you got him, but not starving and he is coming along quite well. What you were doing in that video was training, which is your job which you do quite well. I hope you blocked her from committing. There is a saying that you can please some of the people all the time , but you can't please all of the people some of the
You've done an amazing job with ALL the horses in your care. We can all see how hard you work with your horses. They are absolutely thriving 🙂❤️
Thank you very much!
I live right on the edge of Amish country in Ohio and they all pretty much say you feed them until they can not or does not want another strand of what ever it is you are giving them, be it oats, hay, or even pasture grass.
Well... maybe so in a controlled speed. Gorging isn't efficient or economical in most cases
From what I've seen, watching horse rescue channels, it's important to start feeding the under weight horses slowly, making it the safer way for them.
Oscar is so beautiful 😍
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Every time I see you post a new video of your new project horse, he is looking better and better. You’ve done a FANTASTIC job with him!....it’s not just weight either, he was riddled with parasites and in extremely poor condition, now he glows.
Doing a great job Graeme !!!!!! ❤️
Thank you very much!
The "Before" was heartbreaking. The "After" - no one would guess that's the same horse! I adopted a starving dog ravaged with heartworms. I know when people saw me walking her they must have thought I was denying her food, but I couldn't stuff her. Her depleted body couldn't handle it. 3 very small meals per day and 5 months later (it took that long because of the heartworm treatment and recovery) she was a sleek beauty with a shining coat, just like Mr. Wilde.
You really shouldn't let anonymous, nasty people get to you. We see only brief snapshots of the daily happenings at your place, but we know how much very hard work goes into caring for all these horses. You work wonders with the formerly ragged, scared, hungry wildies you take in, and with domesticated, "special" ones like Gracie who desperately needed someone to understand and help her.
I know absolutely nothing about feeding horses because I've never had any. I have always looked at your horses as being pictures of perfection. I have never known what you've fed the horses, all I know is that whatever it was you were doing - you knew what you were doing and do it well. I can see where Gracie could use a few pounds, but I suspect she burns a whole lot of calories by how active she is. (I am still thinking of the backwards ninja dance she did in one video, lol! ) She is positively beautiful, as are all the other horses under your care. It is the reason I mentioned it the other day in a post. I have never had a single thought that all of your horses were being fed well and properly.
Thank you for taking care of this horse - looks much better now!
I think he looks 100% better and is a happy,happy horse . GREAT JOB !😄
Thank you! 😄
Graeme, it always does a heart so good to watch your videos and how caring & good you are with the horses and especially Mr. Wilde! He is a lucky horse, so sweet and watching his transformation is amazing! I’ve learned a lot thanks to you! Thank you!
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She must had been blind. He's looking so good and it takes months and months even to years to get a malnourished horse to his correct weight. And in my opinion, you, my friend know exactly what you are doing. He's gorgeous thanks to you. They all are beautiful thanks to you. I watch and learn. Thank you for your patience, dedication and pure love of the horse. ❤️
Thank you Naomi. I think she definitely was having some issues in some regard. It's unfortunate she can't see the positive.
Truly Mister Wildie does look fantastic now ! And just as you say in this video, now it will be more about building muscles than just putting weight on. People sometimes (too often ...) talk without knowing what they are talking about ... On youtube you can find videos from rescue organizations that rescue horses that are so starved they have to struggle to help them survive. Wildie has never been skinny to that point, far from it. Just underweight, but 2 months later thanks to 24h hay and the grain mixtures he looks healthy and beautiful. How much time it takes to put weight on depends on age, general health condition and on the breed as well. In "my" barn we have horses of all kinds and now in late spring/early summer and the rich grass that came with it many ponies put fat on and have to be regulated to come back to normal weight, whereas the thoroughbreds remain lean. You witness this with Gracie-Lena at your place. Last year a 15 year old arrived, skinny after disease (he fell ill during corona lockdown and the owner had no right to visit him in his pevious barn). It took almost 1 year for him to put reasonable weight on, only because he has a chronic health problem. Old horses sometimes look "starved" because they loose muscles that cannot be rebuilt at high age. So people should always consider the big picture and not judge too quickly. Anyways, we and most importantly you yourself know you are doing great and whenever you have a doubt you ask your own vet for advice 😊
Thank you very much! I definitely wouldn't put a starving/underweight horse on grass. There are many reasons not to and just to take the time it takes. Yes, thoroughbreds are lean and are regularly seen as underfed. Muscles are next and I expect this guy to put on lots!
You know what your doing ! An excelent skilled and considerate horseman , Wildie is coming up grand ! Best wishes from Cornwall UK .🙂
Speaking of starving horses, I wonder if you have already talked about emaciated horses and how to feed them. Being brand new in the horsey world, I know you can't feed those horses too much too quickly. The portions need to be very small, I assume. But I wonder how often and exactly how much you would need to feed them so their metabolism won't collapse and they stomachs will be able to handle it.
I was looking for Horse Sanctuaries here in Portugal where I could volunteer to help taking care of them somehow. Unfortunately, they're on the opposite side of the country. I saw one emaciated mare on their Instagram they had rescued. She was so skinny, yet so beautiful. Pure white. She was eating some hay, she looked very docile, but the post was actually mentioning she had passed away even though she was eating again. Very, very sad. I think that how to feed an emaciated horse would be an invaluable tip for someone trying to help a horsey that is actually starving. And starving horses are much skinnier than Wildie ever was when he got there.
I haven't talked about that at all. I would prefer if I had a direct example and maybe be able to talk about it with people who are directly in the industry of rescuing horses like that. They would have far more experience and stories to share.
So sorry to hear that you felt it necessary to act on another's comments. Rotten to have to do that. Oscar is a fantastic testament to you and your family's skill and hard work. Oscar will no doubt benefit from all your plans for your lovely property as well as his good quality ad lib hay 👍
Hello this is an old video I m watching now but I have been following you n the horses for months now and I enjoy everything you post. Your horses r not starving so don’t feel bad.your are doing a lovely fulfilling job keep it uo
Thank you very much 😊
So sorry you had to deal with this situation. I've been thinking just how good Oscar has been looking; he's been putting on weight & filling out & his coat has to be testament to how well you're taking care of our handsome boy !!!
Thank you! It's ok, just par for the course in being a teacher in the public eye. All sorts of people sometimes need a bit of direction, it's the times that they just seem to not want to learn that you have to let them go. She had three chances to come around and ignored all of them.
The difference is like night and day. Ozzie looks really good.
He looks amazing now
Im sorry that you had to deal with negative criticism. I notice ppl who are unhappy have to find fault with others. I think you are GREAT!
thank you very much :)
I loved watching this!! and all of your videos! I have a bunch of rescue horses and some came to me in not very good condition. I do feed nets all day as well.. my horses are happy healthy and very well loved!!! The passion you have is evident. Its really wonderful to see.
Excellent points!!! As a nurse we always examine a patient holistically. You’ve clearly presented your horse holistically: top line, bottom line, angel of body, conformation, (many other factors, hydration muscle composition age teeth general stress level, communication with you, communication with the other horses, weather, temperature , pathogens/worms, play time etc. etc.)
I appreciate your patience and transparency. Rather than being angry (which I might be) you address the issue and educate. ♥️
My phone went crazy. You did great in the video as always! God Bless you, Graeme. I watch all you videos, tight now I'm a little over a week late and I think you're an amazing trainer.
Thank you very much Starlene :)
He looks great in the short time you have had him ☺️ his progress all around seems normal! You’re doing an awesome job. I always love your content and delivery can wait to see more with Mr. Wilde and the whole herd this summer 👏🏼💕
Thank you very much Brenda!
The other commenters said what I’ve thought, that he looks fantastic compared to how he was when you first got him. No not starving, not even underweight looking.
Thank you!
Wow Mr Wilde looks pretty darn healthy to me. He’s come along nicely in your care. I agree with another commenter that he’s lucky 🍀 to have ended up with you. It’s maddening to read some comments that people post. If you banned her than I know she deserved it. Not sure if it’s jealousy, ignorance or just love to make trouble but people like that need to be banned. Just ignoring them isn’t enough. MLFNY 😘❤️
You dont have to justify yourself with a troll he is perfect 💜💚💞💖👍
I’ve sometimes observed when people decry an an obviously healthy animal is “starving”, that if they own an animal of their own it’s over fed to the point of being unhealthy. Food is equated to love, to the point of detriment.
True
I just started my 2 on 24 7 hay in a hay net best thing I have ever done they look better they have more energy and you can tell there just happier
That's good, glad it works for you too
Thank you so much for these videos Graeme. I learn so much from you. Thank you!
you're very welcome :)
He looks very healthy
Graeme, thanks for showing the comparison footage from when you first got him. What a difference! He looks so healthy and rounded now. Couldn't see any sharp angles! That must be so satisfying for you, after all the time and energy you've put in (to say nothing of all the feed!). Just to ask, are you sure that the offending person wasn't just saying that he was 'starving' in the same sense that I say 'I'm starving!" when I'm just hungry and very far from literally starving?!
Yes. Quite sure it wasn't like that at all. There was more to it. I thought I had taken a screenshot before I deleted both comments but I can't find it... Anyways, Martine can attest to it as well if you look through the comments here.
Your horse looks in great condition!
thanks
🌟Wish we had some slightly rainy days! 💦...... ⭐️~ 🐴 He looks GREAT in WEIGHT 💯%❗️
I just saw this video and I wanted to say that there is a guy on TH-cam who absolutely hates the color pink and girly horse stuff (very condescending). He has a few female followers (also only a few horses) who think he is God's gift to horses (he's not, although he is good with them). They go to other horse websites and criticize ALL who do not do exactly as their hero does. The person you banned may very well have been one of his "disciples." The guy actually has a video about his horses escaping and he let them roam for a while - more than once it seems. The guy is a jerk. I never posted how bad THAT was, although I felt like it. Every horse trainer and horseman has their own methods which work for them, but that's no reason to go around criticizing other experienced trainers. I'm old now, but I used to own horses, so I know well enough that people have differences in methods that work for them.
You're correct! She was. I rarely have the bad folks from there come around, I have a few good folks that watch him but they have gone very quiet as to who they are as they know I don't tolerate that person AT ALL. It's very easy to tell when one does as they mimic his bullying and name calling behaviors as if they are a great way to communicate with total strangers. We don't stand for bullying around here and he is at the top of the list in my book that pretends to be "helping" and "teaching". There just couldn't be a worse example out there.
Wow what a difference in so little time! It looks like he likes eating , so I don't think he'll have trouble keeping it on!
He has done very well indeed
Ribs being an indicator of hunger, your right. You can’t take that as indicative to starvation. Darcy has Cushings and his ribs always show… it’s part of the disease. Your Wildie is looking very good! I was always told that it takes twice as long to gain the weight back as it did to loose it. I did that with Jarvis and he never had any illnesses along the way. Great job with this video!
Thank you Danielle! That's an interesting thing to hear, I'm not entirely sure it takes twice as long, but it certainly seems reasonable. Cushings is hard, it's wonderful you are taking care of him so well.
Yes, quite right - all horses do just eat and eat and eat and eat! All grazing animals do, I think.
He looks amazing 🥰 my goal is to get Kai looking just as perfect as your perfect boy.
Sounds like a fantastic goal :)
very interesting
10% rule I assume means they should be fed 10% of their body weight each day? So the draftees I worked with as a kid should have had 200 lbs a day? Oy! They wouldn't have fit through the barn door after about 3 months. Maybe those two were easy keepers, but I was told in no uncertain terms that they'll generally eat what they need unless they're worried about getting enough. Made sense to me. Tom and Dolly both always looked just fine and had plenty of energy in harness. If they get too heavy it gets pretty tough on their lower legs and hooves too, so there is that. IMHO I think Mr. Wilde is starting to look pretty darn good compared to the Mr. Slim that arrived awhile back.
Not 10%, 2.5% to 4% depending.
I have a one year two month old Mustang Gelding and I’m giving him all the hay he wants and beet pulp with a little of senior feed but he has to be ready for a competition in July. I’ve had him straight from Wild since late March. He’s looking good now and I’m reducing the grain and beet pulp.
yeah agree with you completely... he does not look underweight he looks a bit under muscle... is that a thing lol
also my vet told me that you should be able to feel their ribs and see them a bit. this guy looks great really... if he had to much more and you couldn't see his ribs I would say he would be getting overweight which causes problems too... but I guess I can see how people who are unaware and think it would help to speak up... they need to be willing to listen and learn though... I like this idea of constant hay because I learned that horses need a lot of hay to keep their digestion in good working order. Grain is not what they need to gain weight i totally agree with you on that. What I did not know until recently is that alfalfa is the best way to put weight on a skinny horse or a starving horse... I thought it would make them colic but infact the grain will make them colic before the alfalfa... the more ya know right. thankyou so much for the vidoes
Thank you! Yes, he sure was low on weight a year ago and has come a long way since. Yes, alfalfa is quite good but mostly just hay is fine.
I have a horse I take care of that needs weight and he is 23 years and lost weight with old man teeth. Started with hay cubes with Timothy hay pellets in a mash?
I'm not sure if you're asking me a question here? I would likely try to add in alfalfa for a higher protein count hopefully.
OMG... That must be frustrating when you are doing all you can do to help your horses and have someone just being blatantly rude and offensive. Obviously, she didn't watch the other videos when Oscar first got there and now. It's like night and day.. I'm fairly new to your channel but I've been binge watching your videos and I've seen the wonderful transformation of Oscar. He definitely won the lottery getting you as an owner..
It is, but to be honest the people who come in to say bad things are so few and far between. I get very little of them as I'm sure they see they are completely overshadowed by the amazing community of people that have gathered and post comments on a daily level. I'm blown away every single day when I get up and see so many encouraging and positive comments towards the horses, myself and others here that are commenting. Thank you for your support here, I really appreciate it and I appreciate you took the time to say something.
You mentioned, in the beginning you gave the horse some grain, how much and what kind? Also, what kind of hay do you give them? I have got a horse that was very sick, I got her teeth done, by a veterinarian and wormed, she has me giving her Purina senior. A couple hands full for a week , then increase. And she has grass hay. She is no longer sick. Just needs the weight on her. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 🙏
Nothing actually. I never buy grain as it's a complete waste of money for the most part. It's hay and alfalfa for some more protein.
oh& no way!! your horses are so well ramen care of
In this enlightened age, should we still teach our children and pets manners? Is it cruel? Or is it negligent, and cruel not to?
One day Oscar will have a different owner. Maybe she's a kid? Goes cantering in to collect the hay-bags (no-one's watching!) like she does, (none of the other ponies mind.) But Oscar hasn't been taught to have manners. He see's the hagbag being taken, pins his cute ears, rounds his chubby bum, and belts the cute kid in the head, three times. Oopsie! Dear sweet Oscar did that? Who could see that coming? Someone, maybe Mum, finds the kid on the floor. It's OK, she's not dead. Just a little concussion. Hopefully not brain damage; Let's wait and see?
The kid won't get a say in what happens next. Telling about the cantering and how Oscar was surprised, maybe? wont stop Mum calling the Dealer; Wont stop the Dealer sending Oscar; Now branded a Dangerous horse, for meat; Wont stop what Greame tried so hard to avoid, Oscar being Put on a plane and terrified. Spending his last days and weeks, roughly and badly treated, miserable and fearful, before being transformed into a tasty treat.
Greame, you do what you have to do (With love; Of course) to keep this dear horsey safe. A Safe well trained horse has a good shot and a long happy life. We all know, doing less, lets the horse down, never mind the next owner, who might end up being a damaged and heartbroken kid.
Horses even ponies are big and strong compared to us humans. (Too strong if it comes to a brute strength contest.) Especially so to the kids that so often are the ones who want to ride and handle them. So, the horses need manners; To know how to behave around us. We humans ought to know how to behave too, but regardless, it is the humans that hold the power over the horse. Bad horses lose their lovely homes. Get passed around until the only option left is the Dealer or the Auction; The dreaded and shameful, slaughter pipeline.
Goodness knows how hard it will be to let Oscar go, but with all of us Softies watching his progress, likely someone nice (even local?) will come forward to offer a wonderful home. (Lots of scratchings!) And then the next skinny scared Wildie will get his chance to be saved and go through the wonderful, Horse building, Greame experience.
Yes, we should teach manners and respect and kindness all rolled into one. I do think it's unfair not to, look at Gracie as a great example. Yes, I agree that if he has other people around him, he should have a base to draw from on how to act around humans. How that human changes him will be up to the human of course, but it won't be because of a lack of prep and time. As they say, the best thing you can give a horse for a long life is an education because I agree, one thing can quickly brand a horse as bad and/or dangerous. Gracie again is the best example here. It will definitely be hard to let him go and I've had a LOT of people tell me not to..
Sad to hear that people sometimes need to pick on others without having enough clues to do so- and apparently without having their homework done...
Welcome on the internet...
I mean, technically some look at lots of the other videos including horsey checks should indicate that the horses usually get enough hay all day long, so that they can burn enough calories...
And yes, getting a former wild horse usually means that they are not rolling in surplus food- in fact, looking at recent footage from wild horses (USA oder Canada) one rarely sees a big fat horsey with shiny coat...
Also at the holding stations the operators won't feed unneccesary hay and other stuff due to costs...
And there is a difference to a horse thats being "thin fed" and really starving and underweight- wich also depends on the race/breed of the horse. Some time ago I had a look at some good videos of another canadian trainer (also in BC), that works with thoroughbreds and trains some OTTB for future life as riding/family horse. Her own horse was a rescue and significantly smaller because of malnourishment that he should have been at his age, and she also could demonstrate on the thouroughbreds when due to the athletic build/training programme the ribs might slightly show, and why with this breeds a figure like Lena or Nanners would be dangerous to them...
Gaining weight: Every horse is different, ogf course, depending on metabolism, and especially wild horses (mustangs, wildies, brumbies etc.) are specialized to get along with the food they find there- which is in most cases no plentiful green meadow. So letting them graze all day on a beautiful huicy green grassy plain could result in severe problems due to much sugar/protein available to the organism.
Anecdote: On the channel of a german horse physio/Osteo, that takes also horses in for longer trainings, one horse was not nicely treated at the former boarding stable in austria, and was underweight. This gelding ended up with IIRC up to 7 kg black oats a day, and some hay on top as long as his appetite was there. This was also due to the fact that about 100 kg should be gained AND he was there to do some training (desensitazion and some ridden training), so he would need some energy.
And Mr. Wildie here is showing progress: From skinny with bad fur to a horse with shiny coat in about 2 months should give a clue to people- the finer points are always debateable, but the general direction should be there.
As such, don't get overly annoyed with thosefolks. In germany there is a saying: "PIty comes for free, but envy has to be earned" - seems you have done a solid job and I see such scenes as (unpleasant) signs of success.
I feel as if this lady genuinely felt that he is in danger of being malnourished. How she communicated what she felt was the problem, not that she felt it or had the impression of it. She's an avid follower of another TH-cam channel that communicates to others in the same way, so I expect she's knowledgeable in some ways but in other ways not. Attacking any of the other commenters here is a really quick way to get banned, and as such, she was. I don't believe she followed many videos here and sort of cherry picked a few to come in and tell me what for. Oddly... she commented a couple of nice things as well.
Thank you for your support and encouragement and kind words! It's very much appreciated. I agree, weight gain is variable, hard to say exactly what is the right amount and in this video I was generalizing for the average horse I think. I'm sure results vary based on environment, breed and food provided.
@@StableHorseTraining Of course, the danger of malnourishment when changing environments including food change is always present. And yes, it should be possible to voice concerns in a reasonable way.
In my opinion, there is only a really reliable way to determine if a organism (horse or human) is lacking nutritients: This involves bloodwork/analysis, where certain markers get analyzed that will/can give some hints of what else is going on in the body. Important here bio markers for inflammation etc.
Big disadvantage: The more information you want to get, the more $$$ you have to put on the table.
The second best thing: Have a GOOD osteopath that examines the whole horse and can tell according to some hints like spots in the iris of the eyes, lymph system and some other hints like hair quality where you stand. Problem: Lots of mediocre folks out there.
Generally a good idea is a chiropractic routine check incl. necessary adjustments- works wonder in some cases, especially when everythings seems to be quite ok.
(In the riding center my cousin works as trainer/instructor, the lesson horses get regular chiro/osteo checkup and adjustment as "preventive maintenance", to pick up potential problems before a horse gets lame etc.
Maybe more common in Germany than in Canada, or easier to come by due to closer distances...
Some scenes from a german "original" named Tamme Hanken (R.I.P.) included moments where he checked the horse that was running stiff on one side, and then asked the rider on which side she usually tends to lie down on the couch watching TV- and then explained that she as a rider was also bent and this caused to horse having to compensate for a non-straight rider and therefore causing problems. After having adjusted both of them he explained then the whole causality chain leading to a problematic horse due to overcompensation problems and bad shoeing... Some of the videos also shown on youtube are obviously produced for a TV audience and therefore at some points a bit more dramatic that what they would need to be, but nonetheless quite educational from which avoidable causes a horse gets problems.
@@nightfiremovingpictures5632 yup, those are all great points! I agree.
Anyone who knows horses would know that , just ignore her you’re doing a fine job,also a horse loses weight in winter and regains in spring ,natures way in the wild.
You have done great with those under your care, OW is a completely different horse from when he arrived. Sorry you have to put up with trolls like her, unfortunately the anonymity of the internet have let Karens like her to flourish. Wonder if she is the same one that Rick (Think like a horse) featured and subsequently verbally torched?
Thanks Rich, I appreciate that, but despite how socially acceptable it has become, calling people a troll or a Karen is still name calling in my books and not something I promote/encourage/support. This person is adamant in their mind that the horse is not being cared for, how they communicate that is up to them and she chose for the fourth time to yell it at me and another person here. If she had simply communicated her concerns and asked me to show different, she'd still be here. I have absolutely no idea what Rick is doing, I stopped watching him years ago once I became aware of his bigotry, misogyny, racist and verbally abusive tendencies to communicate his knowledge to the world. I do respect he has a lot of knowledge and is spreading it out to hopefully help horses and I did see when Mr. T died as one of my viewers made me aware of it. It's incredibly sad to lose a close friend like that and I let him know he has my condolences for it. That's it though. I expect that it wasn't that lady as this particular person has already told me I have no idea how to work with a horse and that I should go learn from Rick (in all caps of course). She has learned well how to talk to people with name calling and yelling...
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Maybe all she ever knew were Clydesdales because wut?! Starving WHERE? Thanks for banning her, such toxicity is just plain weird