Honestly all you need to do is tune back a couple years ago when Bud said “ This type of recruiting will come back to bite ya “. The truth of matter is , whatever the particular traits a great recruiter possesses, we ain’t got a lot of em . When you look at the roster the plain truth is that where you have been real bad recruiting is showing. I think some of the big portal hits masked that.
Imagine if Michigan also lost Mason Graham, will Johnson, Donovan Edwards, and Kenneth Grant and had DJ at qb. They would possibly be 0-2 against our same schedule too. Idk why ppl didn’t assume a drastic fall off was coming when you DON’T recruit at an elite level. When the nfl guys leave and the wake forest caliber guys in the trenches you recruit are the replacements what do you expect. If I was a non biased analyst (one day hopefully), I would have predicted 7-8 wins. Mike has got to get an elite recruiting staff above all else because otherwise eventually Mario will mess around and learn how to coach those elite classes, Florida will eventually hire a decent coach, and dabo will eventually get the portal guys to put Clemson back into contention (maybe not but still).
Same thing I thought before the season too. Not surprised by the start. If we had a developing QB though, things wouldn’t seem to bad but it looks bleak there.
@@allensaunders449if anything fsu lost a higher percentage of relevant players year over year than Michigan. Starting safety, best corner, nickel, both LBs, both DT’s, best DE, top 2 receivers, starting QB, RB,TE. It’s cool you keep your o line until you realize that’s the only unit that kept us from being a championship team last year. Only way to not fall off in that situation is to close on the Jeremiah smiths, kj boldens, Travis hunters, and blue chip trench players. Right now we’re left with unathletic physical players (Dj Lundy), or athletic and soft players (cam Riley). Georgia’s LB’s are both of those players in 1.
@@brandont2414 not a chance Michigan lost entire offensive line, skill positions and almost all coaching staff i think they had a few starters back. Washington had one starter back. Plus lost entire coaching staff
The first mover advantage comment is spot on. It was a market inefficiency Norvell exploited out of necessity, and it worked great. Now teams have seen how quickly the portal can turn things around and have started to treat it seriously (except Clemson), including going way beyond the rules and outright tampering with rosters. I guess playoff was a consideration when the pool of eligible spots increased 3x, but quality-wise there was no way this FSU team was going to be on par with full roster 2023 FSU. The landscape changing will force Norvell to move on from certain staff members and put others on high alert.
Thanks for the sober straight talk, per usual . Fellas I can't. Watching is affecting my health. I'm waiting for the box score on the next one. IDK why this season is hitting worse, but it is, and I can't watch what I've seen the 1st two games again. Go Noles, always, but I can't watch. QB play has looked like J.J. Cosentino .(could that be hyperbole?) And the nat sound coming from the stadium bleeding through the broadcast sounded like a nightmare intensifier, Holy Cow I couldn't believe it. WTH? How come no one got that long hook from Live at the Apollo & yoinked whoever was at that sound console? just.. wow.
Sure wish we could find out which Noles fans are giving Ingram a hard time.... He's about the last person affiliated with FSU who should be getting dragged for the performance of the team this season.
This team is soft, stupid,poorly coached, and extremely overpaid coaches and players who all suck. This staff can't recruit the HS level at all, and so far, the players they have signed have been just downright sorry or just average talent. Looks like FSU got finessed by jimmy sexton again
Memphis -6.5 alternate spread is the play here. After watching the tape you can’t coach up want to and what for. Our guys simply don’t want to be there and they just don’t care. It’s going to be a long season boys.
I understand depending on the portal the first couple of years when Norvell took over but now it’s time to hold those coaches accountable who continually whiff on key recruits each year
Problem is it's harder to get rid of those guys if they don't live up to it. Would rather we just find some up and comers that are killing it in the recruiting game and pay them more than their current schools
That is always a nice sentiment. But the reality is a lot of former players do not want to coach, Don't really care about FSU football anymore, or football in general. Former players or Legends from Florida State that would even entertain or want to go recruit high school kids I would say is very rare at best.
The team the actual product on the field has been beyond subpar. Combine that with a stadium that has gone under painstaking renovations for how many years? But by all means go after the music. That’s really going to help the recruitment experience by all means.
The last renovation was the champions Club which was completed in the summer of 2015, I believe. There have not been any other renovations done until this summer. And yes, the music sucks.
I predict FS runs the table during the rest of the season, plows thru the 12-team playoffs with more wins, and wins the Natty by crushing Georgia in the final. Now where did I put my meds?
4 to 5 years not a top 10 recruiting class there’s the problem the portal success was great is it sustainable doesn’t look like it they got the bye week at the right let’s hope they use it to there advantage by the way the ACC is terrible which makes the 2 losses look worse
Ingram, what makes you think that DJ is going to be any different vs. Memphis than he has been???? The team doesn't look like it is playing hard for DJ. I do think the offense will play as hard as it can for Brock. How many times do we have to hear that DJ is what he is before we go to our next year's QB??
Always the voice of reason. The best analysis of FSU football in the business
What’s really frustrating is there are so many areas where if we were just competent we are 1-1 or 2-0. It’s not just DJ
Honestly all you need to do is tune back a couple years ago when Bud said “ This type of recruiting will come back to bite ya “. The truth of matter is , whatever the particular traits a great recruiter possesses, we ain’t got a lot of em . When you look at the roster the plain truth is that where you have been real bad recruiting is showing. I think some of the big portal hits masked that.
Thanks gents. Hang in there Ingram. 🙏 U da man.
best nolecast title ever
Ingram's office ceiling - 3rd member of the nolecast
lol. Wish the camera angles were the same…
Always appreciate the Nolecast gents keeping us grounded
Imagine if Michigan also lost Mason Graham, will Johnson, Donovan Edwards, and Kenneth Grant and had DJ at qb. They would possibly be 0-2 against our same schedule too. Idk why ppl didn’t assume a drastic fall off was coming when you DON’T recruit at an elite level. When the nfl guys leave and the wake forest caliber guys in the trenches you recruit are the replacements what do you expect. If I was a non biased analyst (one day hopefully), I would have predicted 7-8 wins. Mike has got to get an elite recruiting staff above all else because otherwise eventually Mario will mess around and learn how to coach those elite classes, Florida will eventually hire a decent coach, and dabo will eventually get the portal guys to put Clemson back into contention (maybe not but still).
Bad comparison choice. Michigan lost more player's from last year's team then anyone else except Washington
Same thing I thought before the season too. Not surprised by the start. If we had a developing QB though, things wouldn’t seem to bad but it looks bleak there.
Well said. I had us a 7.5 wins before the season and thought I was being a pessimist. Hopefully we can find a way to a bowl this season
@@allensaunders449if anything fsu lost a higher percentage of relevant players year over year than Michigan. Starting safety, best corner, nickel, both LBs, both DT’s, best DE, top 2 receivers, starting QB, RB,TE. It’s cool you keep your o line until you realize that’s the only unit that kept us from being a championship team last year.
Only way to not fall off in that situation is to close on the Jeremiah smiths, kj boldens, Travis hunters, and blue chip trench players. Right now we’re left with unathletic physical players (Dj Lundy), or athletic and soft players (cam Riley). Georgia’s LB’s are both of those players in 1.
@@brandont2414 not a chance Michigan lost entire offensive line, skill positions and almost all coaching staff i think they had a few starters back. Washington had one starter back. Plus lost entire coaching staff
The first mover advantage comment is spot on. It was a market inefficiency Norvell exploited out of necessity, and it worked great. Now teams have seen how quickly the portal can turn things around and have started to treat it seriously (except Clemson), including going way beyond the rules and outright tampering with rosters. I guess playoff was a consideration when the pool of eligible spots increased 3x, but quality-wise there was no way this FSU team was going to be on par with full roster 2023 FSU. The landscape changing will force Norvell to move on from certain staff members and put others on high alert.
Bud is spot on again
Georgia took our soul like a thief in the night
Thanks for the sober straight talk, per usual .
Fellas I can't. Watching is affecting my health. I'm waiting for the box score on the next one. IDK why this season is hitting worse, but it is, and I can't watch what I've seen the 1st two games again. Go Noles, always, but I can't watch. QB play has looked like J.J. Cosentino .(could that be hyperbole?)
And the nat sound coming from the stadium bleeding through the broadcast sounded like a nightmare intensifier, Holy Cow I couldn't believe it. WTH? How come no one got that long hook from Live at the Apollo & yoinked whoever was at that sound console? just.. wow.
10 seniors on offense and we suck lol. . This staff can't recruit when things are good.
All we got, all we need. Go Noles guys.
Sure wish we could find out which Noles fans are giving Ingram a hard time.... He's about the last person affiliated with FSU who should be getting dragged for the performance of the team this season.
Please excuse my ignorance. What were you talking about at 31:24?
This team is soft, stupid,poorly coached, and extremely overpaid coaches and players who all suck. This staff can't recruit the HS level at all, and so far, the players they have signed have been just downright sorry or just average talent. Looks like FSU got finessed by jimmy sexton again
Memphis -6.5 alternate spread is the play here. After watching the tape you can’t coach up want to and what for. Our guys simply don’t want to be there and they just don’t care. It’s going to be a long season boys.
Nolecast in 2024- Bud "He Played Terrible" Ingrams Mind - "Damn im paying him 6 figures."
I understand depending on the portal the first couple of years when Norvell took over but now it’s time to hold those coaches accountable who continually whiff on key recruits each year
I thought the music was an overcompensation at first. However, when they had it jacked and playing at the wrong time on offense is what pissed me off.
First! Praying for bowl eligibility over here!
get more former noles legends on staff as recruiters
Problem is it's harder to get rid of those guys if they don't live up to it. Would rather we just find some up and comers that are killing it in the recruiting game and pay them more than their current schools
That is always a nice sentiment. But the reality is a lot of former players do not want to coach, Don't really care about FSU football anymore, or football in general.
Former players or Legends from Florida State that would even entertain or want to go recruit high school kids I would say is very rare at best.
The team the actual product on the field has been beyond subpar. Combine that with a stadium that has gone under painstaking renovations for how many years? But by all means go after the music. That’s really going to help the recruitment experience by all means.
The last renovation was the champions Club which was completed in the summer of 2015, I believe.
There have not been any other renovations done until this summer.
And yes, the music sucks.
@@jamesb0255 fair enough. I’ll await the feedback following Saturday’s game as we enter favorites again
What happens if Memphis wins or FSU beat them in a close game…..do you keep DJ at starter or go all youth and start the rebuilding process?
I predict FS runs the table during the rest of the season, plows thru the 12-team playoffs with more wins, and wins the Natty by crushing Georgia in the final.
Now where did I put my meds?
4 to 5 years not a top 10 recruiting class there’s the problem the portal success was great is it sustainable doesn’t look like it they got the bye week at the right let’s hope they use it to there advantage by the way the ACC is terrible which makes the 2 losses look worse
Through two games the Noles are way softer than I would of expected for some reason.
An outside consultant offered up a media menu appropriate to Purdue and unappreciative of FSU tradition.
bud blocked me on twitters years ago for calling him out on an awful call
Ingram, what makes you think that DJ is going to be any different vs. Memphis than he has been???? The team doesn't look like it is playing hard for DJ. I do think the offense will play as hard as it can for Brock. How many times do we have to hear that DJ is what he is before we go to our next year's QB??
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We have been screwed since JT13 got hurt
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It’s amazing to me that no matter what happens in FSU world they always have a way to bring up CU and the sanders!
Jeez Louise!
There are a whole lot of people bringing Colorado and neon... Not just FSU Gregory.
@@jamesb0255 yea but it seem that FSU fans have a hard on for Deion and CU when their season isn’t turning out so great so far!
I'm sick of Norvells soft brand of football
Why don’t you guys coach since you guys are experts.
This team is trash
Your comment is trash.
@@jamesb0255 as bad as this team?
@@jamesb0255 cause thats a horrid sight then
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