I personally have ALWAYS wanted the option to have the prayer/bag on the right. its So clunky for me in PVE and just basically skilling activities. I WISH, they would give an option to keep either the new or old interface. That would be the way to go imo. Then everyone is happy at the end of the day. For me this is literally what i've always wanted in a UI for Mobile. But I can see the change for some to be a little awkward especially having being used to the old game. It is quite nice to play the new UI on a tablet.
Completely agree. I tried the beta and it made prayer switching so much easier. I use a stylus when playing because my fingers are too big for my phone. When you try to prayer switch you end up covering your screen when you have to reach for the prayers on the left side which is super awkward. However, it is better than miss-clicking the tiny icons with your thumb.
I wish I had the answer but I don't. Alot of people are saying in 2024. But nobody really knows the official answer. I wish it was rolled out today haha. I see nothing wrong with the new UI etc. I think once again just give people the option to have both! @@Drill8
Btw for anyone struggling with small prayer icons like me, I found a work around for android phones. There is an option in accessibility called magnification (phone setting) that allows you to add a small box over your prayers. The box zooms in and enlarges your prayers making prayer switching and flicking a lot easier on smaller handheld devices.
Very much agreed on the points brought up. A lot of the changes are very nice and useful for the client, but I would happily give all of that up to just have mage and prayer book on the left. Testing the beta solidified my opinion
2 minutes in and I’m so happy you mention the right side off the bat. I was just finishing my Vard grind when this was announced and there was some slick movement and prayer swaps I had to do and just couldn’t help but think this would not be possible with the new interface.
I don't comment on TH-cam very often, but had to point out how incredibly talented you are, at gaming and at editing. Blown away by the quality of your content, keep it up 👍
Amazing video! Me being a 50/50 mobile/client gamer, I really do enjoy seeing You go through the changes and suggesting qol fixes to them. Also, doing cg on mobile is crazy. I barely learned it on the client. lol
it would be nice to have the customizable hotkey bars on both sides and being able to have the same tab on both hotkey bars, but just have the window open on the side that you used the hotbar. it makes no sense to click something with your left hand and then have to respond on the right side. like right now you have the hotkey to open your inventory, prayers and spellbook on both sides of the client but no matter which side you press the hotkey your right hand is gonna be doing all the work anyway. you press it on the right and your thumb is already there. press it on the left and you still have to move your right thumb to the same space that you would've gone to if you pressed it on the right. it's a step in the right direction but still counterintuitive. ultimately I think that most of the day-to-day interactable UI should be able to be accessed on either side of the screen. the only other solution I can imagine is using the old Fixed layout so your movement would mostly be done on your left hand, but that doesn't sound ideal
24:23 is a very interesting talking point! Please know that this isn't criticism of your takeaways or gameplay, Fully, purely observation: Looking through your taps, your recurring point about the right hand being overwhelmed is completely valid. I feel a lot of this sentiment could be from existing muscle memory and habits, however. In order for this new interface to work, your right hand must now be mostly bound to the right hand side. It can't afford to move the camera or control movement, but can independently and effectively manage inventory and prayer. The left hand can take care of manoeuvering with occasional hotbar use. Having said all that, I think you're totally right about the need for UI options/customisation for mobile. Frankly, players shouldn't need to have to engrain muscle memory all over again. Jagex has been very receptive to feedback recently with regard to OSRS so I have faith that they can work with the community to do right by the awesome mobile players who PvM! Sick work on the vids btw
Awesome take, I like the insight. Yes, I probably don't like it because it is a massive paradigm shift from what I have been doing for 5 years +, but man, if I have to spend countless hours relearning every single boss on this new UI, I will be quite unhappy. It seems like a lot of people feel the same way too. The solution, however, is just a simple case of a bit more customisation, if the hotkeys could be toggled to open on the left if required then that would keep everyone happy (:
As a fellow mobile only gamer, hardcore btw, i agree with everything you've said. My left hand definitely puts in work and forcing my right hand to do everything doesnt sound ideal. Making the hotkeys pop out on the left would be amazing!
100% agree. As a mobile only player aswel. If the toggle opened on the left side with whatever hotkeys you have selected would make this a great update. Everything else about to is great. But please bring back the margins Had huge issues with this while upgrading mobile
As someone who regularly plays on mobile as well. Yes I agree 100%. So far all I have down is CG. But, I'm hoping to get into some other content like TOA here now that I've greenlogged CG. This new UI might make that just too painful to grind out if it makes it through.
They clearly made the UI similar to PC gameplay and did not consider player that purely play on Mobile. For me, this is such a quality of life update since i mainly use PC but i can feel the frustration for mobile only
Hopefully they finally give us the new Ui soon. Im mobile locked until the housing market goes down and it sucks not having prayer and spells on the right side
I am still pretty early in your series , I got up until you are doing cg, and at the start of the video i see a infernal cape, crazy, well done. I look forward to looking back and watching
Just found your channel. I literally only AFK skill on mobile but I could tell straight away that having everything right side was going to be an issue. I'm not sure if they've made any changes since you made this video but I hope you mobile guys get the changes you desire. Awesome channel, sub :)
I love that both prayer and inventory can be on the right. My left thumb is simply not as accurate as my right thumb, and I struggle pretty hard at the Gauntlet when I have to swap prayers and weapons every second
Don't want to offend anybody, just stating my opinion. I fully disagree with most of what you are saying, mostly because I dont think they made mobile to be "strictly mobile" I believe they made mobile to get more people to the play the game, and to keep people playing the game more (like getting off the pc to lay in bed, and being able to just hop back on the game). Also, you gotta keep in my some people can afford a phone and little bluetooth mouse with adaptor, and cant afford a thousand dollar pc sadly enough. So should keep those things in mind. Not trying to offend anyone once again, just saying my opinion on the matter. good video tho.
Thanks for the insight man, I do absolutely get where you are coming from and I agree with the points you have. All of what I am saying is coming from the perspective of someone who plays exclusively on mobile and has completed very high level end game PvM - I do agree that these new UI changes can improve the experience of the average mobile user, because 99% of mobile players don't do things like the inferno or end game raids. This video is basically just me verbalising my thoughts on the UI as someone who does send the inferno and does do end game raids on mobile, and for the most part I really do not like the changes, but again, just my opinion and people who don't do high level content will probably disagree with everything I say - and that's OK. Many other end-game mobile only players agree with all my points because they're in the same boat as me. The solution? I think definitely allowing some customisation to allow players to play to their style (including allowing interfaces to open on both sides), whether they are sending a Zuk task or just high aching before going to bed, this will keep everyone happy. It's nice to hear the other side of the argument and I do value your comment, so thanks for sharing & thanks for your time watching my video (:
It's pretty obvious that the old school team is making these changes primarily to accommodate new features (which are great). But new features are the fastest killer of any UI, so I think they need to be really really careful.
Yeah really good point actually - like I am excited for new features, don't get me wrong! But at the cost of losing a user friendly UI is just not worth it tbh!
Absolutely spot on! And I def feel like the devs have true and good intentions with the new ui, and they're really trying to even the playing field between pc and mobile. And so they are trying to implement our own set a f keys and tabs fixed location, because that's what thrives on pc.. But sadly they don't spend enough time on mobile only, so it's hard for the to understand that pc style f keys and instant tab switching cannot work that way on mobile. Just not fundamentally possible.. what you have suggested with the hockey's and only those tabs opening on left with all remaining tabs opening in the fixed right side position is very close to our (as in mobile onlys) perfect version of mobile f keys.
thanks for making this video i love mobile and immediately thought of this series when these changes were proposed i hope they do it right with the changes.
You hit it the nail on the head. Everything on the right is just over working one hand. I have been a 100% mobile Ironman for the past 4-5 years. If they force me to use the right side only with zero customization, I honestly just won’t play anymore. I’m at the point of my account where everything is endgame pvm. You can do it all on the right but for me it would suck the fun out of trying to fight it all the time. Toa, cg, cox, already difficult content on mobile. Now even harder to obtain. For tablet users/stylus’s I can totally see how they would like everything on the right. Let’s be honest though is anyone doing endgame pvm with a big tablet or stylus? Just make it customizable and call it a day. Win for everyone!
Great comment man, I absolutely get where you're coming from - we're in the exact same boat. Been playing for over 5 years and now that I'm grinding end game content, this new UI will be a MASSIVE step back. We need that juicy customisation to keep the high alchers and us end game pvmers both happy! Cheers for watching dude, appreciate ya.
I think entity hider is a great addition to mobile, especially for things like gotr, having to render all the different player models and pets and golems and rift animations, my phone gets so hot, especially if I have to plug it in to keep it from dying
Absolutely yes! It will be good for my YT filming too as I will be able to hide entities for backgrounds etc (: some cool features coming by the sounds of it!
As someone who also only plays mobile I really like the idea of it being all the on the right. I do however hope that they keep the option to use the old UI so that players arent forced into this, but I for one will definitely be using this new UI
Honestly, even if you could just put individual prayers and spells on the hotbar that would be a good start.. Not sure if you could get by with only 5 hotkeys in something like the Tombs of Amascut where you need several different prayers throughout the raid. It's a good idea though! Just anything to keep my left hand actually doing something. Cheers mate
I definitely considered making a leagues series, but I've just got so much to do in the live game + busy irl atm. Maybe next year!! Thanks for checking in on me though :) much love x
Love the take on the ui, I’m excited for the little quality of life changes. Also watching you do the content on mobile (with what felt like live commentary) made me wish you streamed, you don’t do you?
Very exciting changes, yep! I just need a few tweaks and then I will welcome the new UI with open arms! I don't stream, no. It is a big time commitment but maybe in the future I will look up ways to stream from my phone to TH-cam! Thanks for the comment (:
I much prefer all tabs opening on 1 side, having your core area to play with shift every time you change tabs was irritating and you would have to reorientate your camera constantly to compensate, that and i already only play with 1 hand means my time to switch prays etc are just going to get faster
Couldn’t agree more with everything you have said in this video. I like the tile markers but having everything open on the right is just going to make movement so annoying. Customisable left and right menus is definitely the way to go
Honestly the only thing mobile truly needs is no more delay on the function button. Like how these hot keys work. BUT also an option to hide them if you only want to use 1 for less screen clutter. And one other thing... which should have been mentioned first anyways because it is truly the ONLY thing holding back mobile from being about AS GOOD as PC. The ability to flinch like shift click walk under allows on RuneLite. I think if they had a setting to make long taps the attack button and quick single taps step under NPCs mobile would be INCREDIBLE. Also ground markers would be cool but you can always just drop supplies on the correct tiles or even memorize the floor by using nearby ground textures as a reference point. (But places like the whisperer suck in that regard for doing Arceuus spellbook kills and trying to stay far enough away to dodge melee attack) But honestly flinching would be AMAZING!
This would open up butterflying Akkha, bofa kiting methods at GWD, small team/solo Nex, POG tanking Verzik, etc. basically the ability to flick on hide npc attack options on/off instantly. But it would be even better if it could just reverse the Tap/Long Tap to step under npcs/players and attack.. But zero delay function button would be cool, and more than 1 assignable at a time as well. Then honestly just ground markers and boom. You got RuneLite mobile.. lol buy an IRL metronome if you use one on PC too.. LOLOL xD
11:53 some people may not be able to afford a pc but I agree 100% they used to not even allow mouse inputs. I paid for many apps trying to get it to work.
If the changes you want are a toggle option then fine, cos I like the new UI & everything opening on the right side like it does now. I don’t want the hotkeys to open on the left. Side. Everything to open on the right side. Making chat a chat orb is the only thing I liked what you said. But if what you said is just a toggle then fine cos I I can use the new UI how it is now and you can use it like how you showed. WIN WIN.
Yep absolutely agree. The hotkey interface should be toggleable to open on either side so we can both be happy! Last thing I want is for all the people who enjoy everything on the right side to miss out. Fingers crossed!
I just wish it had quest helper man. I usually play mobile when I’m at work and it’s slow, and I’d love to knock out quests during that time. For now I usually do slayer and clue scrolls on mobile
These updates would definitely further push away what mobile was originally intended to be. But isn’t that a good thing? These updates would only make mobile play better, they’re improvements. And if people don’t like them, don’t they have the option to not use them? Just my opinion. Great video!
Having all these new features are so good for the future of mobile, I agree. But sacrificing core mechanics of being able to interact with left hand side interfaces is a price too high for me - personally. I will welcome all of these new cool features with open arms if they allow just a little bit more customisation to allow interfaces to open on either side of the screen.
@@FullyOSRS That makes sense. I see more now what you mean. With losing the left side interfaces it does seem to take away from the magic of a mobile version and more like the game on PC but being played through a mobile device.
I think the update is pretty good? Do you ever find yourself turning your head over to the left for your prayer and taking focus off everything and then jumping to the right to heal in your inventory or what not
I can activate any prayer without looking. That's what makes muscle memory so valuable when playing mobile. If I need to activate, say, Piety & Protect from Range, I can do that without looking and my full focus is on what the boss is doing and my movements which are all controlled by my right hand, if that makes sense? If this update moves prayers to a completely different side, not only do we all lose our muscle memory learned over 5 years, but it is in an arguably worse place. Most people won't have an issue, but high level mobile players will certainly suffer. Some people love the update and that's okay! I just want there to be a bit more customisation (:
They'll perserve the "Fixed" UI for desktop but apparently perserving the old mobile UI is too much. I'm a fan of the new UI but it's a bit of a double standard, so you know, standard procedure at jaggy.
i feel like you kinda glossed over that there was a hotkey for activating quick prayers. this would almost effectively eliminate your issue with the prayers being on the right. good vid and good review
I didn't cover it very much because it is unfortunately not very useful. There is already a quick prayer orb around the minimap so having a quick prayer hotkey in addition to that is not much different. Take the corrupted gauntlet for example - you never use the quick prayers during the whole hunleff fight as you need to activate specific prayers which require the whole interface to be active. Having this interface on the right is not ideal as this overloads the right hand (as I have talked a lot about in the video haha). It's a good point to talk about, but sadly not very useful for high level PvM!
Makes no sense for the hotkeys to not open the page on the left. It's common sense, allows full comfort and support for left or right handed users, and doing the same task from 2 different areas for niche reasons. I play on my phone casually between pc play, so I can't say I know exactly what's good for mobile, but that's just a brain dead change thatll probably be made. Also im very into the idea of tile markers and entity hider for mobile specially. I don't play on a great device, so less entities showing is very good! Osrs floors are also kinda turning into flat nothings because of tile markers existing, so it's getting harder to visualize which tile is which. That's, unfortunately not a problem they're gonna fix because the problem is conspiracy to begin with, so we should be able to mark a couple tiles just so it's not borderline unfair. I don't think there's any other Runelite things that should be added to mobile. They chose the two bare necessities and it should stay like that. Except maybe a low detail mode for older phones, but that's not a UI issue Edit: Forgot to mention. Your proposed changes should just be stolen and used. Which isn't off the table, it's the best solution
I agree 100% . When i tried the beta at Zily it felt like my right hand was forced to do more work because the hot keys forced everything to open to the right . Tbh they can just add some of the features on beta to the layout we have now and i would be completely fine with that . Def should add boss timers but one step at a time i guess . Great vid bro
I think the UI based from PC gameplay since they mention something about trying to made it similar to Mouse Movement and F-Keys hand placement. That's why alot of the activities come from the Right side
Damn I never even thought of trying Zily - I absolutely get what you mean. We would love all these new features but at the expense of completely changing the UI? No thanks haha - thanks for watching!
I think it’s a hard pill to swallow when you learned how to play with prayers on the left and developed a play style and muscle memory. But I do think that having hot keys and prayers on the right will be able to ease so many more people into doing harder content on their phones. It gives you the option to open the prayer/inv from either side of the screen allowing you to use whatever thumb is best for the current scenario
For me it's the opposite. I can not do corrupted gauntlet or toa on the new ui and it's more than a muscle memory thing. When you have to run and change prayers at same time having both thumbs do different things is much easier.
@@jakefarnam288 I use both thumbs to run. Problem with everything being on the right, only the left thumb is used to move around. Where as in the current ui I use witchever thumb is more convenient to move around.
All very valid points. I guess it just doesn't sit right with me where they propose a huge UI change and expect people to like it or lump it. Certain content is 100% more difficult with everything on the right, such as CG or parts of ToA. The only fair solution is to provide more customisation to allow both parties to be happy (:
@@FullyOSRS i completely agree with making it customizable. I’m my experience I was not able to do CG on the current UI but was able to do it on Beta. I’m super excited to try out content where I failed before with the current UI. I may be an outlier but this update is huge for me
The way I hold my phone is landscape with left hand. Like holder and then my right hand on top pinky and thumb pinch phone and index finger main driver
When you’re talking about keeping mobile for hand users. You conflate the tile markers and being more runelite and the right hand overloading in the same argument. You can have more runelite plugins for ease of use AND keep it focused on hand use than peripheries
A few other viewers have mentioned that too and what I was trying to get at was that I do not want any of these features if they are going to be at the expense of having all the interfaces on the right. Don't get me wrong I would absolutely love tile markers and more features for mobile - but not at the cost of losing core mechanics like having interfaces on both sides. Hope that clears it up! I have been chatting with Mod Gecko regarding this and it seems like we will get to keep left hand interfaces as a toggle! Thanks for your comment.
Im worried about this. I dont have a left thumb. Im not a mobile only player but i get by doing some stuff on mobile and i have to use my right hand to hold the phone, interacting with my left index finger
I'll try and describe it as best as I can - my phone rests in my left palm where my thumb is in a position to reach all the left stones and interact with all the left hand side interfaces. I then rest my phone on either the armrest of a couch or on my bed if I'm lying down. My right hand is then free to tap anywhere on the screen for movement, and will interact with all right hand interfaces. I predominantly use my index finger as I find that is most accurate, and to zoom I will use my middle finger too. Hope that makes sense!
only watched the first couple mins, but having everything on the right side is so much better for playing on a tablet, using only thumbs wasn’t feasible. I use my right hand pointer finger for everything and now i don’t need to go all the way to the left which was really slow, also alching was so clunky before and not consistent with osrs
I absolutely agree that having everything on the right will make for a better experience for some devices, 100%. But for the most part having everything on the right for a mobile phone is not as good as having interfaces on both sides, I think.
Im not much of mobile player and do agree that most of the actions your doing is mostly using your right hand. It might be hard for folks who are left hand dominate. its still chill if your mostly just skilling.
Yeah good points mate - for high end content it's a huge struggle. Skilling and other low input activities will remain unchanged. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening with our feedback!
Please recommend them to leave prayer and mage on the left side please or many will quit if they can’t adapt. The mobile set up works. My right hand already hurts from mobile… I’d like to use both hands not just one.
Confirmed by the devs that there will be a toggle to have the interfaces appear on the left side when they are opened with the left stones! There is hope for us yet!
For me the U.I is a bit good for pking, but yeah if u got used to the old U.I, You will have a hard time. I hope they make the ui can be move anywhere on the screen or resize just like other mobile game that can be customized. What phone are you using tho? I think its pretty responsive, or maybe my internet is just slow because im playing in the Philippines.
Unfortunately this was a limited beta release last year. Last I heard they're still working on it but no news of when it will be released or trialled again..
Well the Devs did say they would do some fixing and then have another beta before it's released. I think my discord worked out it would likely be first quarter next year at the earliest (:
Agree. I am hoping we get to vote, but we may be outnumbered by the people who just use mobile to AFK skill + high alch.. Let's hope they change something before the next beta test
i mean. this is only bad for those who play with their thumbs. this update is a must for finger players like myself where i only use my right hand to play. i personally think we should have a lot more control over the ui as a whole. we should be able to swap, change and place anything wherever we see fit. desktop allows this so i honestly dont understand why this hasn’t already been implemented within mobile.
Man horrible and gate keeping take. Not waiting things like tile markers and qol stuff from runelite is unbelievably incorrect. You sound like the skillers who say we can't have better exp methods cus it devalues their exp.
I absolutely welcome new features to the client, don't get me wrong - but having to sacrifice fundamental basic mobile mechanics to have these features is not worth it. If they find a happy middle ground where there is enough customisation to have interfaces open up on either side, then they can literally add whatever features they want IMHO. Valid comments though - thanks for your input
Its not released yet. It was a beta testing world for a limited amount of time last year. It is still in the works (I think) but sounds like there will be another beta testing opportunity before it's release. Hopefully we see something this year!
Yep, as I said some people absolutely love everything on the right, and that's cool! We just need some more customisation for the people that want stuff on the left (:
I play mobile on an ipad and prayer switching with my left hand is like second nature. If they made that the standard and not just an option it would take months to be able to get my brain to work that way and I don’t think I would ever be as efficient. I just started getting 3-4 kills trips and vardorvis… please don’t do this to me
I agree, the right side only content is dogshit and needs to be left and right based on what side you click on (e.g left open off hotkey press) or adjust the settings to be customisable
love your content and appreciate what you do on mobile. I think you are totally right that an easy fix is just make any stone on the hot keys open what you select on the left side. right hand is always expected to do to much and leftys get left behind lol@@FullyOSRS
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I personally have ALWAYS wanted the option to have the prayer/bag on the right. its So clunky for me in PVE and just basically skilling activities. I WISH, they would give an option to keep either the new or old interface. That would be the way to go imo. Then everyone is happy at the end of the day. For me this is literally what i've always wanted in a UI for Mobile. But I can see the change for some to be a little awkward especially having being used to the old game. It is quite nice to play the new UI on a tablet.
Completely agree. I tried the beta and it made prayer switching so much easier. I use a stylus when playing because my fingers are too big for my phone. When you try to prayer switch you end up covering your screen when you have to reach for the prayers on the left side which is super awkward. However, it is better than miss-clicking the tiny icons with your thumb.
Any idea when this update becomes official?
I wish I had the answer but I don't. Alot of people are saying in 2024. But nobody really knows the official answer. I wish it was rolled out today haha. I see nothing wrong with the new UI etc. I think once again just give people the option to have both! @@Drill8
I think they should give you X-Amount of slots and you organize it how you want inside the settings menu. Problem solved.
Btw for anyone struggling with small prayer icons like me, I found a work around for android phones. There is an option in accessibility called magnification (phone setting) that allows you to add a small box over your prayers. The box zooms in and enlarges your prayers making prayer switching and flicking a lot easier on smaller handheld devices.
Very much agreed on the points brought up. A lot of the changes are very nice and useful for the client, but I would happily give all of that up to just have mage and prayer book on the left. Testing the beta solidified my opinion
100% dude, agree fully!
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2 minutes in and I’m so happy you mention the right side off the bat. I was just finishing my Vard grind when this was announced and there was some slick movement and prayer swaps I had to do and just couldn’t help but think this would not be possible with the new interface.
Very well thought out, I agree with all pints made here. Someone needs to @ the OSRS devs on this. ❤
I don't comment on TH-cam very often, but had to point out how incredibly talented you are, at gaming and at editing. Blown away by the quality of your content, keep it up 👍
I really appreciate that dude, thank you for leaving a comment (: Plenty more videos to come!
Amazing video! Me being a 50/50 mobile/client gamer, I really do enjoy seeing You go through the changes and suggesting qol fixes to them.
Also, doing cg on mobile is crazy. I barely learned it on the client. lol
it would be nice to have the customizable hotkey bars on both sides and being able to have the same tab on both hotkey bars, but just have the window open on the side that you used the hotbar.
it makes no sense to click something with your left hand and then have to respond on the right side.
like right now you have the hotkey to open your inventory, prayers and spellbook on both sides of the client but no matter which side you press the hotkey your right hand is gonna be doing all the work anyway. you press it on the right and your thumb is already there. press it on the left and you still have to move your right thumb to the same space that you would've gone to if you pressed it on the right. it's a step in the right direction but still counterintuitive.
ultimately I think that most of the day-to-day interactable UI should be able to be accessed on either side of the screen. the only other solution I can imagine is using the old Fixed layout so your movement would mostly be done on your left hand, but that doesn't sound ideal
Great recap of the new ui. I def agree with your points and would love the suggestions you made. Looking forward to the next video!
Thank you for watching! I'm glad the video made sense! (:
@@FullyOSRS yes! Totally makes sense! I hope they make it work on both sides so my right thumb doesn’t get cramps haha
24:23 is a very interesting talking point! Please know that this isn't criticism of your takeaways or gameplay, Fully, purely observation:
Looking through your taps, your recurring point about the right hand being overwhelmed is completely valid. I feel a lot of this sentiment could be from existing muscle memory and habits, however. In order for this new interface to work, your right hand must now be mostly bound to the right hand side. It can't afford to move the camera or control movement, but can independently and effectively manage inventory and prayer. The left hand can take care of manoeuvering with occasional hotbar use.
Having said all that, I think you're totally right about the need for UI options/customisation for mobile. Frankly, players shouldn't need to have to engrain muscle memory all over again. Jagex has been very receptive to feedback recently with regard to OSRS so I have faith that they can work with the community to do right by the awesome mobile players who PvM!
Sick work on the vids btw
Awesome take, I like the insight. Yes, I probably don't like it because it is a massive paradigm shift from what I have been doing for 5 years +, but man, if I have to spend countless hours relearning every single boss on this new UI, I will be quite unhappy. It seems like a lot of people feel the same way too. The solution, however, is just a simple case of a bit more customisation, if the hotkeys could be toggled to open on the left if required then that would keep everyone happy (:
@@FullyOSRS Cheers for the reply, King
As a fellow mobile only gamer, hardcore btw, i agree with everything you've said. My left hand definitely puts in work and forcing my right hand to do everything doesnt sound ideal. Making the hotkeys pop out on the left would be amazing!
That would be the dream scenario tbh, I don't think I could handle not having my left hand interfaces 😭
100% agree.
As a mobile only player aswel.
If the toggle opened on the left side with whatever hotkeys you have selected would make this a great update.
Everything else about to is great.
But please bring back the margins
Had huge issues with this while upgrading mobile
As someone who regularly plays on mobile as well. Yes I agree 100%.
So far all I have down is CG. But, I'm hoping to get into some other content like TOA here now that I've greenlogged CG.
This new UI might make that just too painful to grind out if it makes it through.
My thoughts exactly. I guess we can only wait and see what they decide!
They clearly made the UI similar to PC gameplay and did not consider player that purely play on Mobile.
For me, this is such a quality of life update since i mainly use PC but i can feel the frustration for mobile only
Yeah very true - it is definitely a targeted update with quite a bit of oversight to the high-level mobile player 😅
Hopefully they finally give us the new Ui soon. Im mobile locked until the housing market goes down and it sucks not having prayer and spells on the right side
I am still pretty early in your series , I got up until you are doing cg, and at the start of the video i see a infernal cape, crazy, well done. I look forward to looking back and watching
No rush my man, enjoy the content (: I'm glad you found me! Cheers
Just found your channel. I literally only AFK skill on mobile but I could tell straight away that having everything right side was going to be an issue. I'm not sure if they've made any changes since you made this video but I hope you mobile guys get the changes you desire.
Awesome channel, sub :)
I love that both prayer and inventory can be on the right. My left thumb is simply not as accurate as my right thumb, and I struggle pretty hard at the Gauntlet when I have to swap prayers and weapons every second
Agree with your opinion, and you make some excellent proposal to the way things should be changed, hopefully someone at jagex is watching
I hope so too! I'm sure it will find its way into the hands of the devs. Otherwise I will post it into the OSRS discord!
Don't want to offend anybody, just stating my opinion. I fully disagree with most of what you are saying, mostly because I dont think they made mobile to be "strictly mobile" I believe they made mobile to get more people to the play the game, and to keep people playing the game more (like getting off the pc to lay in bed, and being able to just hop back on the game). Also, you gotta keep in my some people can afford a phone and little bluetooth mouse with adaptor, and cant afford a thousand dollar pc sadly enough. So should keep those things in mind. Not trying to offend anyone once again, just saying my opinion on the matter. good video tho.
Thanks for the insight man, I do absolutely get where you are coming from and I agree with the points you have.
All of what I am saying is coming from the perspective of someone who plays exclusively on mobile and has completed very high level end game PvM - I do agree that these new UI changes can improve the experience of the average mobile user, because 99% of mobile players don't do things like the inferno or end game raids.
This video is basically just me verbalising my thoughts on the UI as someone who does send the inferno and does do end game raids on mobile, and for the most part I really do not like the changes, but again, just my opinion and people who don't do high level content will probably disagree with everything I say - and that's OK. Many other end-game mobile only players agree with all my points because they're in the same boat as me.
The solution? I think definitely allowing some customisation to allow players to play to their style (including allowing interfaces to open on both sides), whether they are sending a Zuk task or just high aching before going to bed, this will keep everyone happy.
It's nice to hear the other side of the argument and I do value your comment, so thanks for sharing & thanks for your time watching my video (:
It's pretty obvious that the old school team is making these changes primarily to accommodate new features (which are great). But new features are the fastest killer of any UI, so I think they need to be really really careful.
Yeah really good point actually - like I am excited for new features, don't get me wrong! But at the cost of losing a user friendly UI is just not worth it tbh!
Absolutely spot on! And I def feel like the devs have true and good intentions with the new ui, and they're really trying to even the playing field between pc and mobile. And so they are trying to implement our own set a f keys and tabs fixed location, because that's what thrives on pc.. But sadly they don't spend enough time on mobile only, so it's hard for the to understand that pc style f keys and instant tab switching cannot work that way on mobile. Just not fundamentally possible.. what you have suggested with the hockey's and only those tabs opening on left with all remaining tabs opening in the fixed right side position is very close to our (as in mobile onlys) perfect version of mobile f keys.
thanks for making this video i love mobile and immediately thought of this series when these changes were proposed i hope they do it right with the changes.
I hope so too! I'm just hoping we get a little more customisation to allow the interfaces to be on either side depending on preference! We will see (:
You hit it the nail on the head. Everything on the right is just over working one hand. I have been a 100% mobile Ironman for the past 4-5 years. If they force me to use the right side only with zero customization, I honestly just won’t play anymore. I’m at the point of my account where everything is endgame pvm. You can do it all on the right but for me it would suck the fun out of trying to fight it all the time. Toa, cg, cox, already difficult content on mobile. Now even harder to obtain. For tablet users/stylus’s I can totally see how they would like everything on the right. Let’s be honest though is anyone doing endgame pvm with a big tablet or stylus? Just make it customizable and call it a day. Win for everyone!
Great comment man, I absolutely get where you're coming from - we're in the exact same boat. Been playing for over 5 years and now that I'm grinding end game content, this new UI will be a MASSIVE step back. We need that juicy customisation to keep the high alchers and us end game pvmers both happy! Cheers for watching dude, appreciate ya.
I think entity hider is a great addition to mobile, especially for things like gotr, having to render all the different player models and pets and golems and rift animations, my phone gets so hot, especially if I have to plug it in to keep it from dying
Absolutely yes! It will be good for my YT filming too as I will be able to hide entities for backgrounds etc (: some cool features coming by the sounds of it!
100% agree with UI opinions. Left/right balance especially. Excited for tile markers! I hope we get boss respawn timers :S
As someone who also only plays mobile I really like the idea of it being all the on the right. I do however hope that they keep the option to use the old UI so that players arent forced into this, but I for one will definitely be using this new UI
After watching the final of the video, i think ur proposal is the Best, agreed.
Thanks mate, I really do think it's a good middle ground for all mobile players!
We need a bigger button for prayer flicking. If you were able to have a big orb on the left side, that could keep the left hand busy.
Honestly, even if you could just put individual prayers and spells on the hotbar that would be a good start.. Not sure if you could get by with only 5 hotkeys in something like the Tombs of Amascut where you need several different prayers throughout the raid. It's a good idea though! Just anything to keep my left hand actually doing something. Cheers mate
i'm coming here to check if fully mobile had a trailblazer series i could binge :(
love u anyway fully, wish u had joined leagues!
I definitely considered making a leagues series, but I've just got so much to do in the live game + busy irl atm. Maybe next year!! Thanks for checking in on me though :) much love x
Great Video, really insightful (I haven't watched it yet).
Okay watched now, great feedback fair suggestions and gz on temporary mutagen.
Thank you dude (:
Love the take on the ui, I’m excited for the little quality of life changes. Also watching you do the content on mobile (with what felt like live commentary) made me wish you streamed, you don’t do you?
Very exciting changes, yep! I just need a few tweaks and then I will welcome the new UI with open arms! I don't stream, no. It is a big time commitment but maybe in the future I will look up ways to stream from my phone to TH-cam! Thanks for the comment (:
I much prefer all tabs opening on 1 side, having your core area to play with shift every time you change tabs was irritating and you would have to reorientate your camera constantly to compensate, that and i already only play with 1 hand means my time to switch prays etc are just going to get faster
What about 45% of people, you know LEFT HANDED PEOPLE??
@VBM1 only 10% of people are left handed, and they could simply have a invert toggle
As a 95% mobile player. I agree with your take and final suggestions with customization
Good to hear - thanks for watching!
That tap to drop speed is the main reason I want the new ui if they can just keep mobile like it is and add the insta tap to drop Id be happy
Couldn’t agree more with everything you have said in this video. I like the tile markers but having everything open on the right is just going to make movement so annoying. Customisable left and right menus is definitely the way to go
FullyOSRS for president
The robotic hand bit was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you dude, I had a good laugh too!
Honestly the only thing mobile truly needs is no more delay on the function button. Like how these hot keys work. BUT also an option to hide them if you only want to use 1 for less screen clutter. And one other thing... which should have been mentioned first anyways because it is truly the ONLY thing holding back mobile from being about AS GOOD as PC. The ability to flinch like shift click walk under allows on RuneLite. I think if they had a setting to make long taps the attack button and quick single taps step under NPCs mobile would be INCREDIBLE. Also ground markers would be cool but you can always just drop supplies on the correct tiles or even memorize the floor by using nearby ground textures as a reference point. (But places like the whisperer suck in that regard for doing Arceuus spellbook kills and trying to stay far enough away to dodge melee attack) But honestly flinching would be AMAZING!
This would open up butterflying Akkha, bofa kiting methods at GWD, small team/solo Nex, POG tanking Verzik, etc. basically the ability to flick on hide npc attack options on/off instantly. But it would be even better if it could just reverse the Tap/Long Tap to step under npcs/players and attack.. But zero delay function button would be cool, and more than 1 assignable at a time as well. Then honestly just ground markers and boom. You got RuneLite mobile.. lol buy an IRL metronome if you use one on PC too.. LOLOL xD
I can't believe it took 1 year to release this, but at last!
Excelent feedback, as a afk player i did prefer the changes, maybe then can left The player choose The layout
11:53 some people may not be able to afford a pc but I agree 100% they used to not even allow mouse inputs. I paid for many apps trying to get it to work.
Yeah and that's a tough situation to be in, I know, but laptops aren't too expensive these days - comparable to the price of a mobile phone actually!
If the changes you want are a toggle option then fine, cos I like the new UI & everything opening on the right side like it does now.
I don’t want the hotkeys to open on the left. Side. Everything to open on the right side.
Making chat a chat orb is the only thing I liked what you said. But if what you said is just a toggle then fine cos I I can use the new UI how it is now and you can use it like how you showed. WIN WIN.
Yep absolutely agree. The hotkey interface should be toggleable to open on either side so we can both be happy! Last thing I want is for all the people who enjoy everything on the right side to miss out.
Fingers crossed!
your final thoughts are perfect! jagex should really listen... or present you a job opportunity!
Wouldn't that be a great opportunity haha, I'm glad you agree with my thoughts! (:
I just wish it had quest helper man. I usually play mobile when I’m at work and it’s slow, and I’d love to knock out quests during that time. For now I usually do slayer and clue scrolls on mobile
Yeah it's a deal breaker for me not to have split menus. Been playing on mobile 100% since the beginning.
You and me both dude, I hope we get to keep our left hand interfaces!
Great video, Fully, but I love my ugly bar on the side 😅😭
I love it too! It pushes in my right side buttons and makes them so much easier to tap! Long live the BIG BAR 😂
@@FullyOSRS bruh exactly lmao so much more comfy on the thumb
100% agree with all the suggestions at the end
I truly liked it. I felt it does need to get used to but doing TOA, TOB and inferno would be way more viable with this update.
I’m more accurate with my right thumb anyways
These updates would definitely further push away what mobile was originally intended to be.
But isn’t that a good thing? These updates would only make mobile play better, they’re improvements.
And if people don’t like them, don’t they have the option to not use them?
Just my opinion. Great video!
Having all these new features are so good for the future of mobile, I agree. But sacrificing core mechanics of being able to interact with left hand side interfaces is a price too high for me - personally. I will welcome all of these new cool features with open arms if they allow just a little bit more customisation to allow interfaces to open on either side of the screen.
@@FullyOSRS That makes sense. I see more now what you mean. With losing the left side interfaces it does seem to take away from the magic of a mobile version and more like the game on PC but being played through a mobile device.
I think the update is pretty good? Do you ever find yourself turning your head over to the left for your prayer and taking focus off everything and then jumping to the right to heal in your inventory or what not
I can activate any prayer without looking. That's what makes muscle memory so valuable when playing mobile. If I need to activate, say, Piety & Protect from Range, I can do that without looking and my full focus is on what the boss is doing and my movements which are all controlled by my right hand, if that makes sense?
If this update moves prayers to a completely different side, not only do we all lose our muscle memory learned over 5 years, but it is in an arguably worse place.
Most people won't have an issue, but high level mobile players will certainly suffer. Some people love the update and that's okay! I just want there to be a bit more customisation (:
@@FullyOSRS I totally get that and I do that too, I just thought maybe it would simplify pvp “micro” because of that reason.
They'll perserve the "Fixed" UI for desktop but apparently perserving the old mobile UI is too much. I'm a fan of the new UI but it's a bit of a double standard, so you know, standard procedure at jaggy.
Yeah they said there was no possible way to have 2 separate UIs - so that kinda sucks
Hey mate :) just wondering what device do you play on? And are you apple or Samsung :)
I play on a OnePlus 10 Pro (: Android phone that I absolutely love!
i feel like you kinda glossed over that there was a hotkey for activating quick prayers. this would almost effectively eliminate your issue with the prayers being on the right. good vid and good review
I didn't cover it very much because it is unfortunately not very useful. There is already a quick prayer orb around the minimap so having a quick prayer hotkey in addition to that is not much different.
Take the corrupted gauntlet for example - you never use the quick prayers during the whole hunleff fight as you need to activate specific prayers which require the whole interface to be active. Having this interface on the right is not ideal as this overloads the right hand (as I have talked a lot about in the video haha).
It's a good point to talk about, but sadly not very useful for high level PvM!
your videos are awesome man
Makes no sense for the hotkeys to not open the page on the left. It's common sense, allows full comfort and support for left or right handed users, and doing the same task from 2 different areas for niche reasons. I play on my phone casually between pc play, so I can't say I know exactly what's good for mobile, but that's just a brain dead change thatll probably be made.
Also im very into the idea of tile markers and entity hider for mobile specially. I don't play on a great device, so less entities showing is very good! Osrs floors are also kinda turning into flat nothings because of tile markers existing, so it's getting harder to visualize which tile is which. That's, unfortunately not a problem they're gonna fix because the problem is conspiracy to begin with, so we should be able to mark a couple tiles just so it's not borderline unfair. I don't think there's any other Runelite things that should be added to mobile. They chose the two bare necessities and it should stay like that. Except maybe a low detail mode for older phones, but that's not a UI issue
Edit: Forgot to mention. Your proposed changes should just be stolen and used. Which isn't off the table, it's the best solution
I agree 100% . When i tried the beta at Zily it felt like my right hand was forced to do more work because the hot keys forced everything to open to the right . Tbh they can just add some of the features on beta to the layout we have now and i would be completely fine with that . Def should add boss timers but one step at a time i guess . Great vid bro
I think the UI based from PC gameplay since they mention something about trying to made it similar to Mouse Movement and F-Keys hand placement. That's why alot of the activities come from the Right side
Damn I never even thought of trying Zily - I absolutely get what you mean. We would love all these new features but at the expense of completely changing the UI? No thanks haha - thanks for watching!
Spot on! Agree 100%
Good to hear I'm talking sense! Hahah cheers mate
I think it’s a hard pill to swallow when you learned how to play with prayers on the left and developed a play style and muscle memory. But I do think that having hot keys and prayers on the right will be able to ease so many more people into doing harder content on their phones. It gives you the option to open the prayer/inv from either side of the screen allowing you to use whatever thumb is best for the current scenario
For me it's the opposite. I can not do corrupted gauntlet or toa on the new ui and it's more than a muscle memory thing. When you have to run and change prayers at same time having both thumbs do different things is much easier.
@@everbeenzen I think the only problem is that you (and most people) are just not used to running with your left thumb
@@jakefarnam288 I use both thumbs to run. Problem with everything being on the right, only the left thumb is used to move around. Where as in the current ui I use witchever thumb is more convenient to move around.
All very valid points. I guess it just doesn't sit right with me where they propose a huge UI change and expect people to like it or lump it. Certain content is 100% more difficult with everything on the right, such as CG or parts of ToA. The only fair solution is to provide more customisation to allow both parties to be happy (:
@@FullyOSRS i completely agree with making it customizable. I’m my experience I was not able to do CG on the current UI but was able to do it on Beta. I’m super excited to try out content where I failed before with the current UI. I may be an outlier but this update is huge for me
How can I get this mobile client version ? Can't find it smh
This was available for only a few weeks on a beta world for testing - not available now until they decide to test it again or push the full release
The way I hold my phone is landscape with left hand. Like holder and then my right hand on top pinky and thumb pinch phone and index finger main driver
When you’re talking about keeping mobile for hand users. You conflate the tile markers and being more runelite and the right hand overloading in the same argument.
You can have more runelite plugins for ease of use AND keep it focused on hand use than peripheries
A few other viewers have mentioned that too and what I was trying to get at was that I do not want any of these features if they are going to be at the expense of having all the interfaces on the right. Don't get me wrong I would absolutely love tile markers and more features for mobile - but not at the cost of losing core mechanics like having interfaces on both sides. Hope that clears it up! I have been chatting with Mod Gecko regarding this and it seems like we will get to keep left hand interfaces as a toggle! Thanks for your comment.
Im worried about this. I dont have a left thumb. Im not a mobile only player but i get by doing some stuff on mobile and i have to use my right hand to hold the phone, interacting with my left index finger
How do you hold your phone and play i dont anyone holding it like controller 🎮 on hold other tabs.
"stylist player"
"Two thumb"
"Modz"
"Pc set up"
I'll try and describe it as best as I can - my phone rests in my left palm where my thumb is in a position to reach all the left stones and interact with all the left hand side interfaces. I then rest my phone on either the armrest of a couch or on my bed if I'm lying down. My right hand is then free to tap anywhere on the screen for movement, and will interact with all right hand interfaces. I predominantly use my index finger as I find that is most accurate, and to zoom I will use my middle finger too. Hope that makes sense!
they can easily put the hotkey stuff in the same space as the chatbox right?
They could do, but those buttons would sit quite high on the screen and would be difficult to interact with 🤔
But I do feel like if there’s a customizable way to use the new UI it’s awesome
Absolutely agree. It's not all bad, with a few changes it could certainly work!!
only watched the first couple mins, but having everything on the right side is so much better for playing on a tablet, using only thumbs wasn’t feasible. I use my right hand pointer finger for everything and now i don’t need to go all the way to the left which was really slow, also alching was so clunky before and not consistent with osrs
I absolutely agree that having everything on the right will make for a better experience for some devices, 100%. But for the most part having everything on the right for a mobile phone is not as good as having interfaces on both sides, I think.
Im not much of mobile player and do agree that most of the actions your doing is mostly using your right hand. It might be hard for folks who are left hand dominate. its still chill if your mostly just skilling.
Yeah good points mate - for high end content it's a huge struggle. Skilling and other low input activities will remain unchanged. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening with our feedback!
Please recommend them to leave prayer and mage on the left side please or many will quit if they can’t adapt. The mobile set up works. My right hand already hurts from mobile… I’d like to use both hands not just one.
Confirmed by the devs that there will be a toggle to have the interfaces appear on the left side when they are opened with the left stones! There is hope for us yet!
For me the U.I is a bit good for pking, but yeah if u got used to the old U.I, You will have a hard time.
I hope they make the ui can be move anywhere on the screen or resize just like other mobile game that can be customized. What phone are you using tho? I think its pretty responsive, or maybe my internet is just slow because im playing in the Philippines.
Am I able to access this?
Unfortunately this was a limited beta release last year. Last I heard they're still working on it but no news of when it will be released or trialled again..
Omg that drop.
🥲
I'm going to watch this whole vid, I play a fully mobile UIM, thank you for the video! Rsn- rieef
You are welcome dude! Enjoy!
I really need the 1 side panel... im a quadriplegic and can only play with my right thumb. It would open the game for me
when r we going to get thes changes
Unsure at this stage. I would expect at least another round of beta testing due to the feedback - after that, maybe sometime next year? 😅
Any idea when this update becomes official?
Well the Devs did say they would do some fixing and then have another beta before it's released. I think my discord worked out it would likely be first quarter next year at the earliest (:
@@FullyOSRS ty!
@@FullyOSRSsecond beta is out hopefully it’ll be soon!!
@@FullyOSRShey buddy I’m back now they said something about October 9th will that include being able to switch all the stones to the right side??
The king has spoken
🙌 Amen
Will we get a chance to vote? Im mobile only and the advantage to use both hands is the only thing that lets mobile be viable for high level content
Agree. I am hoping we get to vote, but we may be outnumbered by the people who just use mobile to AFK skill + high alch.. Let's hope they change something before the next beta test
Please please do a vid on ticks and that beautiful stuff on mobile. We dont have indicators :(
Is this available now or only in beta worlds? I don't see any beta worlds nor the UI improvements on my end
Yeah it was limited time beta worlds. They may do another one after making some changes, so keep an eye out in the Official OSRS Discord (:
i love this new version
i mean. this is only bad for those who play with their thumbs. this update is a must for finger players like myself where i only use my right hand to play. i personally think we should have a lot more control over the ui as a whole. we should be able to swap, change and place anything wherever we see fit. desktop allows this so i honestly dont understand why this hasn’t already been implemented within mobile.
Man horrible and gate keeping take. Not waiting things like tile markers and qol stuff from runelite is unbelievably incorrect. You sound like the skillers who say we can't have better exp methods cus it devalues their exp.
I absolutely welcome new features to the client, don't get me wrong - but having to sacrifice fundamental basic mobile mechanics to have these features is not worth it. If they find a happy middle ground where there is enough customisation to have interfaces open up on either side, then they can literally add whatever features they want IMHO. Valid comments though - thanks for your input
When did this update go through? I do not have any other those new changes. I play on iOS btw.
Its not released yet. It was a beta testing world for a limited amount of time last year. It is still in the works (I think) but sounds like there will be another beta testing opportunity before it's release. Hopefully we see something this year!
im just hype to have tile markers
Yep absolutely man, and it sounds like there are a lot more features to follow!
I think it's nice, but it's one of those things where now I'm like how far can we push it
what phone/device is used?
Last time I tried a mouse on a phone it didn't work for osrs
Yeah I've never even tried tbh!
I want exactly what they’re offering here. 100%… I get soooo annoyed trying to do shit with my left thumb. I’m not that skilled 😂😂
Yep, as I said some people absolutely love everything on the right, and that's cool! We just need some more customisation for the people that want stuff on the left (:
@@FullyOSRS I don’t understand why they can’t give us 12 slots and we just plug what we want into each slot. Can’t be THAT hard.
15:03 that's the worst thing that could've happened broo
Para cuándo sacan esa actualización??? Ya la quiero tener
I play mobile on an ipad and prayer switching with my left hand is like second nature. If they made that the standard and not just an option it would take months to be able to get my brain to work that way and I don’t think I would ever be as efficient. I just started getting 3-4 kills trips and vardorvis… please don’t do this to me
Couldn't agree more!
I agree, the right side only content is dogshit and needs to be left and right based on what side you click on (e.g left open off hotkey press) or adjust the settings to be customisable
Absolutely. Exactly what we need!
I need the interfaces to all be on the right so I can tap in one spot and high alch until the cows come home
Haha yep, sadly that is actually the majority of what people use mobile for so the end game PvM sweats like me get left behind 😢
love your content and appreciate what you do on mobile. I think you are totally right that an easy fix is just make any stone on the hot keys open what you select on the left side. right hand is always expected to do to much and leftys get left behind lol@@FullyOSRS
@RuneBottle amen dude, gotta spread the workload or you'll end up with RSI hahah!
bro how did u get access to this??
Jagex ran an open beta for a couple of weeks for us to test it out! By the sounds of things they may do another one before they release the final UI
i hope jagex listens to you, a player who has played thousands of hours on mobile.
I hope so too!! I think I have some good points haha
I play mostly on mobile and I'll probably stop playing if everything opens on the right
A lot of people feel the same way. It seems like they've heard the feedback and hopefully it will be changed!
When playing on PC the right hand is used almost exclusively to move the mouse. What would be different in this case?
Lets make mobile great again!
Does that mutahen carry over to the mext beta? 😂
I haven't overwritten my beta save so quite possibly!! I hope so 😂