Can AI make better music than humans? No Does the best music get noticed? No Will Spotify have AI make music and then push music to the top of the charts just so it can make 100% on all songs? Absolutely
@@abram730 Exactly. Many of us are trying to create music in extinct genres that we personally miss, but are no longer considered "viable" for the record labels.
@@adriendecroy7254 i legit think the only current advancements to AI are just layers and layers of "guardrails" and backfeeding to try and bandaid the BS core-level, which to be fair, is truly impressive. but this bandaid layer after bandaid layer is NOT going to produce the industry goal of truly "General AI" AGI its pretty much just desktop nerds getting rich off VC & "An Idea". salespeople exist in all industries, and "AI" / "GPT" is the next big buzzword. i hope its common knowledge now that "AI" doesnt actually conceptualize anything new. the best it can do is a pseudorandom-based siezure-fest thru a digital NN to force the poor gremlin to crap out an output based upon other humans' works.
@@adriendecroy7254 The "Erm, cough" was the clue that the AI actually thinks otherwise and knows itself a serious threat already. But it lies to the ones manning the big red OFF button.
Also, I think that AI companies are trying to solve all of the wrong problems. All of the tools I've seen are trying to replace or shorten the act of composing, which is actually fun, rather than replace or enhance the boring parts of being a composer (like sample categorization, stem exporting, organizing files, sending emails, proofreading parts, I could go on and on).
Well for starters the AI would need to be broken apart and integrated with passable tokens, and that would need to be trained with stems and the final songs. That would need to be done to even interface with musicians correctly. Early AI can do all the things you said though.
@@FireF1y644 Came here to say that. Thanks. People seem not to fully grasp that fact. It's about making shareholders happy, nothing more. If they distroy an industry branch or two in the process - nobody in big tech cares about it. Monopolize anything possible. Make people addicted to generating shitty songs or digital girlfriends - that's where the money is.
1:20 Am I really the only one in the world who lost his job as a hobby composer because of AI? The person I was doing music for told me he didn't need me and that AI would be composing music for him now.
Likely not but it’s very anecdotal at present on top of being in the age of the internet making it entirely too easy to overblow the stories we do year even about digital artists losing their jobs, unfortunate that you were one of the ones affected though :/
It really is rough times for those of us at the lower rungs of composing trying to get our first gigs now that AI is entering the scene. I was really hoping I would be able to write music for smaller indie games some day, even if the pay sucked.
There is definitely a "mind the gap" problem going from your first short films to first paid gig but thats been there for a while now thanks to Pond 5 etc.
@@ThinkSpaceEducation with respect Guy…..I don’t think you can remotely compare the competition from AI to that of pond 5 and the like….i hate to be the messenger of doom but let’s be realistic about things…..paid film / game composers are going to be as rare as rocking horse 💩 within 3 years…..nobody will care enough nor be able to tell if blood, heart, sweat and tears or an instant AI creation was responsible for the music in any given film or game…..if we thought hans zimmer was responsible for homogenising the sound of this field, AI will bring something with far more variety and flair and you will literally not be able to tell who or what created it! It’s time to accept the inevitable or be left behind realising your surplus to the modern way of doing things
For best results with Udio, you need to use the custom lyrics box. Not only can you add your own lyrics, but you can also add tags telling the bot what part of the song you're at (verse, chorus, bridge, finale, etc) and where you want certain instruments to come in (eg, string interlude, guitar solo, piano noodling, etc). If you let the bot take total control, your results won't be all that great. You have to take control of the bot, and make it do what you want it to do. Also, the more tags you put in the prompt box up top, especially specific ones, the more control you'll have. Like anything else, you have to experiment and get experience with it before you can really start making good stuff with it.
So you're saying you have to like write a song? You have to think of an arrangement in your head and be able to properly describe it? You're saying to get good results you need skill? Incredible.
@@swagmundfreud666 If you want good results, yes. It's a different skillset than traditional composing, of course. In many ways, you have to be like a producer, judging performances, and getting on the talkback with a, "Let's try another take, fellas." Having a good ear for what sounds good is key to getting a good Udio song. Also, a lot of trial and error is involved, especially since this is still an infant technology. (As an aside, I'm currently working on an whimsical Udio song welcoming Guy to the Udio family. 😉)
Ye, that is exacly what I am doing. I propose good Verses and Chorus, correct if needed because pronounciation. The next step in future is, you can propose the melody. But the hardest part is, to get Routenote working ( after 1 month still doesnt do anyhing) , get spotify working ( total unusable insreuctions ) although I am software engineer. I do not need any money, I earn more than enough, I will start publishing free for fun.
Hey Rip, it's Ixus! He speaks the truth. Knowing what kind of music you're writing is very important to making the model work the way you probably want it to. If you want a song to sound like an old jazz song? Know how to write an old jazz song. the LLM that auto-writes lyrics is just not good at the task. It has a lazy vocabulary and not a lot of creativity.
It said “at this stage”; that’s very disturbing. All the text used to train text-based generative AI (including machine translation) has been stolen; all the pictures used to train generative AI have been stolen. I’m really pessimistic
People got this wrong all the time. Automation doesn't kill all the jobs, it just kills 99% of the jobs. The one who last are the artisans making finly crafted expensive items for posh people. And the experts at using automation who will be be 100 times more productive than traditional workers. Why can't we imagine AI that you give a melodic phrase to and a few verbal indication on style and orchestration and get an audio file but also a score midi files and lirary pressets to use. And you can converse with your AI so you can get it to make any kind of changes you want or variations or use the same theme in a different mood or context. The few people still hand crafting their stuff will have their inovations copied and improved in seconds where it took them years to develop their new thing. And the copyrights can be given to the prompter or to the composer who asked AI for the midi files and samples instead of audio files.
Problem with AI is that everyone expected it to handle the most boring and repetitive jobs, improving our quality of life. Instead, it has started from the jobs and activities we actually love@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds
Also the true legal issue doesn't stem so much from economic losses, but from the ethics of how these models are trained. Most AI models have been trained on existing HUMAN-created content without consent or permission from the original creators or rights-holders. Many of them have sued over this because their creative thumbprint is literally being stolen and emulated without their permission. This is just as bad as when actual humans would commit forgeries in art or plagiarism in music, except now the perpetrator is a faceless piece of technology made openly available to the public. People who use it don't even realize how disruptive and destructive they're being to professional creatives' livelihoods, because the hype train is trying to make us overlook that.
I remember in the 80's Live Musicians wanted to ban synths. Most of the best albums had session players on them writing and/or performing rather than the Artists whose name was on the record. How many artists use the same chord structures etc? Having played around with "Ai" music i really don't see it being anything other than another tool rather than a threat for musicians. Music wasn't invented by computers and I really can't see Ai killing it off, If anything it may be the thing that brings real music more to the forefront.. Maybe..
Regarding copyright, wasn't there a recent story from Spotify where they have specifically said that they are publishing music using AI covering all possible chord progressions, lyrics using all sorts of topics and copywriting it all? AI composition will eventually replace us. If not for speed and practicality, for affordability. A friend of mine was working in an orchestra pit for years, and suddenly they were all replaced with a backing track that was arranged and sent off to an orchestra in an Eastern European country, recorded and mastered and the finished product sent back for under $1000 I don't need to illustrate the the cost savings there. AI music will only take this same business model further. A Musical Director will become the producer, engineer and artist with a press of a button. Eliminating that entire "collaboration" process. Maybe I'm just so jaded and sad about it that this is my point of view.
As of right now, the law states that chord progressions cannot be owned as a copyright. Same thing with rhythms - a case that was actually lost by Bo Diddly when he tried to copyright his signature beat. Melody and lyrics are the parts of a musical composition that copyrights apply to. I should add that this relates to the laws in the USA, not sure how it works in the rest of the world, but I assume it must be at least somewhat similar everywhere?
So in theory if an AI was to generate every melody possible (A pretty big task but playing devils advocate here) Could that be copyrighted? @@IanBoccio
"AI will replace us" and be utterly incapable of reproducing the experience of being a replaced human. Point is, only humans have access to the human experience in whichever societal context including such imagined dystopias. Thus only humans can create content that connects with the same in a meaningful way.
This is a deeply insightful and "human" video. So great! As you say, AI can imitate so many human things, very well. And this puts so many human endeavors at risk, for "replacement." But, as shown so well in the Blade Runner movies, and the associated writings of Philip K. Dick, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, et al., AI is all about imitation. Many of us humans will be displaced by imitation, as we have been, ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution. But there is ONE thing that can not be replicated: the life experiences of an actual human. The weaknesses of a human. The loves and hatreds of a human. The human that needs toilet paper and a good meal and a dear friend. The complete life of a human being: starting from the sheer panic of birth, and manifested in the sheer panic of life and loss going forward. Music is for humans, and by humans. As such, we composers and artists and creators must do one thing: Create what WE ourselves want to hear. No robot will ever sing a lullaby, or crack a really good joke in a pub.
Music is not just about notes and composing. It's also about who, when, how, why it's produced and so much more. There's a person behind it making a statement, creating a feeling, it's a novel written in notes that last approx. 3 minutes. It's exciting, bold sounds that explode through your speakers along with a powerful video where there's an artist showing something to the world that "matters in a way that "we alive people" can releate to and understand. Just knowing that one piece of music was made by human makes a difference in listening experience, especially if the song is larger than life, out of this world with it's sounds, lyrics and production. AI can help, but the main engine that will have the most impact is human. Something "alive".
Thank you so much for this video about AI because when I watched Rick Beato's video, and I love his videos, that talked about Udio and AI, I believed my career as a media composer was gone. Your video gave me a lot of hope about how humans will always triumph over machines.
The text prompts you give an AI doesn't come close to the control a composer, painter or writer has. The control is what allows it to work contextually and not just sound or look alright in a vacuum. But AI is much faster which could be useful in situations when the context is not as important.
@@DanIel-fl1vc ask yourself the same question in 6 months ….or try saying that to the producer or director of the movie you’re trying to get a gig on in 6 months and see if they feel the same
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds If you know what you're doing. You're not going to need an AI to do it for you. You would give up CONTROL for speed. Nobody is going to do that except people that have no idea what they're doing. I've seen some impressive AI generated pictures. But it lacks context. You're not going to be able to use that in a video game or as an illustration in a book. It's just an average look alike of a much better picture SOMEONE painted in the past. Those (someones) still walk around, if you're not one of them that explains why you believe AI will replace everyone. You think it's unimaginable to paint an amazing picture or create a great piece of music. It took on average brothers Hildebrandt 2 weeks to create one of their calendar paintings. Guy proves every time he uploads a video that he can put together something decent in half an hour. Give him two weeks and let's see how it holds up to some AI generated tune. No contest. AI is most exciting to people that have never been able to amount to anything creatively. There won't be a movie director in 6 months creating movies with text prompts, that's a pipe dream.
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Suno have been out for exactly six months and it has been the same since. You have the exact same amount of control over the music now as you did when it came out and it's not much.
@@random-guy-blep did you think what suno or udio is creating was even possible a year ago??…don’t think the quality has vastly improved?, have you used the extend audio features? And don’t you think the control you want will be here within 6 months? Really?
As impressive as AI music technology is I have realised most of it is missing something that makes it difficult to listen to for long periods. It can come up with some good ideas and is good for recreating long lost genres but I cant listen to it for long periods without feeling a bit fatigued and its made me appreciate real music far, far more than I ever did. No doubt it will get better but as it stands, it needs a lot of human input to sound good.
Thank you Guy. I see this as disruptive technology. I do not think anyone who can play live will be threatened but the "slice and dice" and drum machine/DAW producers will be challenged and perhaps surpassed by the AI. The key for copyright is to make sure you write the lyrics. While the music generated could be stolen without recourse, the lyrics rights are retained by the writer. I think it applies even if you modify AI generated lyrics, although I would avoid that on principle. Your best argument has to do with unique human experiences and our reactions to life's realities. So many disruptive technologies in our lifetimes - this is one of them. Each time was an advance... from semiconductors to main frames to PC's, to software to apps to cell phones. Now this, I suspect we adapt or become irrelevant. Something new is born but it is just another tool for creatives.
@@Zareh_Abrahamiandude, obviously. Geez, do you think anyone is talking about the fear of this thing from the now perspective?!? I’m so fucking tired of hearing people say “I listened to an AI song the other day and it sucked”. It’s absolutely not about what it can do now. It’s about it abilities in the future. All humans are are advanced AI. People say “AI will never write music like a human.” How is it do you think people write music? All we do is take ideas we’ve heard in the past and from many sources and add our touch to it. We think we are all individual and unique, we’re not. We’re just an accumulation of everything from our geographical location and life experiences, which are just things that come from the past. AI will be able to take all music ever written and then skew it greatly. That’s all humans do, it’ll just be able to do it in 15 seconds. Good luck to us.
@@instrumentalmike How it escaped your attention, blows the gray matter out of my brain! I referred to the conversation in the video where AI says it cannot do this or that *in its current state.* I even typed *current state* in bold and put the wink emoji. Under many videos including this one about AI I post my not so positive view of what AI will do to our civilization, here a sample: in a few years a person with zero musical/literary/etc., knowledge will type or say: "write me a symphony/novel/etc., in the style of Beethoven/Dickens/etc." and AI will poop out symphonies/novels/etc., doing that through stealing centuries long hard work of artists without their consent. As far as "we did the same thing" as an example consider what is known as the Western classical music where we have records, the names here are just the representatives of a certain era, you choose the ones you prefer: Medieval era >> Renaissance >> Bach >> Mozart >> Beethoven >> Chopin >> Rachmaninoff >> Shostakovich >> Contemporary, etc., etc. Every artist *brought their own share to the table,* enriching human culture, unlike what AI generated "art" is doing. AI is robbing humans of the _creative process_ which will render all artists dead or living irrelevant and will turn humans into two-legged cucumbers.
I’m a minute into this video and already feel relieved thank you 🙏 I’m so sick of the A.I fear mongering it just leaves me feeling powerless because at the end of the day there’s nothing I can do about it but MAKE MUSIC. 🎵
ChatGPT, like Udio, and like Midjourney, is basically an automated mashup machine. Some human had to have all those thoughts for ChatGPT to regurgitate.
That's not really how they work. A "modelled instrument" would be a closer comparison to a sampled one. And even that is not really very fitting, as AIs can literally "conjure up new things out of thin air", but (mostly) based on "rules" learned by/from humans. There is nothing preventing them from breaking the rules, inventing new rules or new "models" as well. From the viewpoint of "creativity", a single AI can be more creative than any human in a myriad of ways. Whether that is "true art" or "lacks human connection" or "soul" is whole another subject.
Obviously Udio and Suno haven’t published the details of their algorithm, but it’s probably something along the lines of MusicLM, which uses SoundStream at its base. SoundStream is a generic audio codec. Suno has been shown to produce producer tags by DJ Khalid and Cash Money AP verbatim.
@@Lantertronics musicians are mashup machine?? All a musician churns out is an amalgamation of everything they have heard and internalised……no different to AI
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds I'm planning to make another video about this so I can get into the details, but the way humans incorporate their influences to make new works is not even remotely like how these algorithms actually work.
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds A starting point to focus your thinking: Getty images watermarks were appearing in Midjourney result. Would a human artist learning form images on the Getty's website ever put the watermark in their painting? Suno has outputted "Cash Money AP" and "DJ Khalid" producer tags verbatim. Would a human musician listening to those works and being influenced ever do that? Suno and Udio haven't released the details of their algorithms, but they're probably along the lines of MusicLM, which uses SoundStream -- an audio codec -- at its core.
I didn't expect to spend my morning wondering whether the existence of happy hardcore scene back in the 90's has made generative AIs too deeply confused about the nature of children's TV music to be able to write it successfully.... Thank you, Mr. Michelmore.
A good thing I've heard is that calculators didn't replace mathematicians but is now a great tool for them. If AI is used and developed right it will become an outstanding tool for learning things. We have been here many times, electronic instruments was feared to destroy classic music but that didn't happen. Smartphone was about to make us less social but instead we social in different ways also like forums, chats etc. It's faschinating how we human have "catastrophic thinking" as default mindset :)
Mathematicians have been doing work beyond what a calculator could do, for centuries before the calculator was invented. Also, calculators are deterministic, not generative.
Amazing chapter! Almost cannot believe the conversation with ChatGPT. The best way to remain is to adapt and using the latest tools and trying to understand how those work or not with our workflow.
One thing that immediately comes to mind for this type of thing is motifs/themes used in film and game. Lots of works have motives that get reharmonized or varied in some other way. I haven’t played around with Ai music too much but I don’t see it sliding something like that very well.
Best comment about generated AI , i have seen until now. AI music will only replace music in places where we want have background noise, and were we dont want to listen but only hearing music who is covering bad noise. Exemple are public toilets, stores, train station... There is also a problem with listeners. Since we have walkman , we are able to listen music everywhere. But listening has drifted to hearing music and down to consuming organisized noise. Even my self as 65 old boomer, i dont often listen music in good condition. Mostly radio in car or lying on bed relaxing when i have back pains. Rare are the moments where i can listen music in good qualitty with no background noise. An other probleme is how good are our ears to appriciate music, we gettting older or having broken ears with concert, discothek or labor. Music IA generator will getting better. Loss of job will not be in generator but with IA tool who are abele to enhance quality of an input, like ia autotune, sound seaching engine, ia helper for composition etc.
People will choose but how many people will choose to use AI for their music when it takes a few clicks and little time or money?... producers/composers can choose to use AI, or not creatively, but when its about time and money AI will win hands down...so undoubtably there will lots n lots n lots of music in the future written by AI and as the power of AI increases how long will creativity last?...I think we need start looking ahead and better understand the power of AI.
I think we need to make a big distinction between AI, being totally auto generated, and some of the other modern tools around, which most people may also see as “cheating” but enable great music creation. Like the UJAM virtual instruments, which can play riffs but you still have to tell it what chords and nuances to use and then own the composition. You pick the riffs you like, and can develop your own style. Or the Hollywood Orchestra software, this is a great example, though I don’t mean to just use those presets it comes with, to program the MIDI yourself allows things to be created that weren’t previously possible in a short space of time.
No doubt that software, midi, virtual instruments make it easier and quicker to create music. Of course there's those who disparage it being that it's not a group of human performers. I guess I understand their side, but most of us don't have the means to hire a band. I agree with you, it's not cheating at all to use such tools, especially if you're the one who creates each and every riff and drum lick, which I do. Not saying my music's all that good, but in terms of entering each note (or performing it), that's my preference. AI is 100% different from that, no creativity involved other than your prompt.
Every sample library will be fed into an ai model very soon…..no more massive libraries to store…..and DAW’s as we know them won’t even exist….everything will be web and cloud based….midi will be obsolete
In my view, similarly as it is in the photography industry, if the consumer doesn’t know or can’t tell the difference between so many definitions of quality, aesthetics, creative acuity, etc, or they don’t care that one is hugely better or worse than the other - then the market will elect to go to the cheapest made vendor -sacrificing what they don’t know about. It would be only among those who are educated and care that the supportive level of market woujd exist. This has always been the case in most all industries where the untrained eye or ear settles for mediocrity.
Indeed!….but the problem is that within 3 years AI music will be anything but mediocre….the day will come VERY soon when you hear a piece of music or a song and you won’t dare ask if it was created by AI because you love it that much and don’t want to know that something so ‘synthetic’ has moved you to tears!
Thing is, it doesn’t even have to be indistinguishable. Look at all the AI images all over social media marketing. People openly hate on AI art but it’s been foisted on us whether we like it or not. Luckily, AI art and images are now called “Boomer Bait” by teenagers. It can be ubiquitous but totally hated at the same time. And that’s what will happen with all generative AI. Tech will be developed to tag AI content and once people know it’s made with AI, the quality is irrelevant. It will probably instantly tarnish it as “counterfeit.” If you talk to younger people now, surprisingly, they think AI-made stuff is shit on an almost spiritual level. They want real stuff.
As a hobbyist, i just dont want to see AI tools added to Cubase and making it a selling point at a higher price. Adobe getting shame for this already for AI in Photoshop
Really good topic Guy. I like your video, you inspire me a lot and your energy push me to compose. At least because of you I Fall in love with Orchestral compositing music, because of you i realized that I was not really interested in electronic music. Since March 2034 I've rebuild my home studio, buy lot of spitfire Library and just enjoy it every day. Thank you so much for your content in here. I am always very happy to discover new topics on your channel. You are a really interesting person. I hope the best for you.
Love it man! Are we doing things for competition? Yeah your in a hurry now! Or.. do you your things for fun. Nobody will take that away from you. And.. i hope people can distinquise it in the future. People can be creative without prompts/ inovative. Ai i can't in essence.. so do your own unique thing, do not copy and paste and you will be unique right?
Love your videos Guy! Your presentation style is so inclusive, I feel as if I know you. So, something else that AI can't do is be YOU, Guy! You are UNIQUE and have a brilliant and unique youtuber style that brings me (and hopefully others) back again and again. You have a personality a mile wide. And that gets into your music - making it unique and uniquely HUMAN. I have heard that music speaks the language of emotion. Until AI is capable of emotion (this requires having a subconscious mind), music is safe as an art form. BUT, yeah, the music industry bean counters in marketing, the financial planners, they miss the point of what make Music- MUSIC! All they see is MONEY (or a lack of it). So for them it is about profit, not art. (Although art can be very profitable.) AI can't be truly creative. All it can do is randomize elements and bring them together. That's why your AI creation of a kids TV show theme was such a bust! AI can teach and inform, it can be logical and reasonable (in a world where logic and reason are routinely thrown out the window). But -- it can NEVER crack a smile or laugh. You can, GUY, and that makes you unique and untouchable. AI is no threat to you! I don't subscribe to AI youtube channels (these are so blatantly transparent!). I DO subscribe to YOU!
I do sound design for games and linear media. There are so many iterations before a sound is shipped that at high levels (AAA, AA games) it won't replace. You have to create the sound to animation, with each crafted layer that most of the time are going to be separated for the audio middlewares in weird ways so no, it won't replace us. At lower level starting jobs? I think it will. When the sound is not important, it's just a part of a video or content and you can be more general and ai will take over. Less entry level jobs, and that SUCKS
So no….it won’t replace us….famous last words my friend…. look at how well A.I. can code now…..it’s already writing games….rudimentary ones maybe right now but the games industry will go the same way as music will….look at how many graphic artists have lost their jobs in the last few years!…..you must know people that have lost their jobs to A.I. already in the graphics dept surely?!! They too thought they were safe!….
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds not at HIGH level. I have not seen artists loose their job because of AI. It can help to some extent, even in audio there are some algorithmic VSTs powered by AI, but they require expert ears. This is why I'm saying entry level jobs will be replaced, but there is so much to take in consideration for ai to FULLY replace jobs. Even developers that choose to use AI have to review it and fix it, because ai writes general code that works, but if you are programming an AAA game with hundreds of thousands of variables it needs humans to understand and fix what's going on. When I have to make a sound with 20 layers, I have FULL control on them, AI does not. And remember, AI has to be trained on something, if it's not allowed to train on high level content it won't replace us
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds what are you talking about? i don't see anything around what you say about, ai-masturbator =) designers vacancies are only increasing in my country. And AI is a great supportive tool for professionals. haha
@@NRSoundDesign Ah, sound design is very cool thing. I'm shure AI will be our useful support in high professional area. Don't mind about ai hysterics. that is temporary hype. Good luck with your work )
@@eujeno designer vacancies?……..I am talking about composer vacancies…..do you have composers in your country?? And let’s see how optimistic you are about those job opportunities in three years….why not pay for one of this channels courses as well
First of all: Great video Guy - well said. As a poor aspiring hobby musician I am obviously not worried nor will I be affected - but the overall rise of AI (why does this sound like the "Rise of the machines" suddenly ?) - the overall increase in usage of AI which is rapidly improving by learning and spreading like a wildfire over all aspects of life is - if we as humanity treat it sensibly - a good thing. The problem is not in AI - the problem is in us as a human race being sensible - so nothing has changed ...
BTW BIlly the Banana sounds like a great idea for a show. The music it gave you sounds more like Billy the power ranger robot, than Billy Banana. I've recently heard some music that friends of mine, who can't play music on their own, have used A.I. to make for them, guiding it based on their needs and ideas--which is a learning curve of its own. What they came up with was pretty good stock music, is the best way I can describe it, now of course stock music is used for lots of shows--where it can be better than nothing--at best, for sure or where it works fine mixed up and with talk and sound FX. It "sounds" like "real" music in that context, on their own the pieces were more and more alike the longer I listened to them on it's own. As I say, it sounds like real music until you actually listen to it, or compare it to real music, let alone real music written to picture. Of course that's more than producers may ask for or something they may not even miss--or that's what they'd tell you if you asked them. Guy your point about producers not being able to own the music, is not something I've heard said and as that appeals to being able to make more money off of their show....that's a great argument. Now some AI music program I'm sure will exist eventually specifically for games and shows, where you could say, I want blah blah blah type of music for 30 seconds, then I need it to turn into slower sad music for 1:23 then something scary happens at 5min for 15 seconds, hero arrives for 20 seconds and then return to the main theme for a minute. That would wipe out the music editor's job, though that job gets dumped on picture editors a lot these days already. I don't see that kind of control or detail yet for AI music, but the rare genius of the greats of film scoring is that they can hit all those specific moments, yet still write music that can stand on its own, has emotional impact and character depth and originality all at the same time.
AI isn't going to kill all composing, at least not at first. But, as you said, it will likely come close to killing off the entire segment of inexpensive, low-effort, derivative music that often comes from royalty-free libraries or is commissioned for advertising. At first glance, that doesn't sound so terrible, because most of us don't care for that kind of music anyway. But many now-established composers and producers got their start doing that kind of stuff. Now, what's a young aspiring composer going to do? No one is going to hire a kid off the street to score their $100m sword-and-sandal epic, they'd want someone with experience and credentials. Once upon a time, a lot of that experience came from indie films, TV commercials, and other low-budget productions. If those jobs are taken by AI composers or libraries of AI compositions, where are human composers going to get their start? As beloved elder composers die off, who is going to take their place? AI in no way poses any threat to the prestige level of any media: literature, music, movies, etc. It only threatens the lowest rung. But that's like saying: we're not going to destroy any of your army, we're just taking out all your cadets and trainees and wiping out all your boot camps. Sure, you're going to be fine for a while. By the time you realize that your entire structure has been cut off at the knees, it will be too late for you to do anything about it.
As someone who's been experimenting prolifically with generative AI in music (it goes well past suno and udio), my honest feeling is that there isn't a lot of separation between the human being and the machine. Ai's, broadly, and with few exceptions are still very difficult to use. And even the ones that are easy to use are difficult to use well. Not all AI music is created equal, which seems counter-intuitive, but makes sense when you understand that there are different tools and processes. There is no threat. It's just what the next generation of tools looks like
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds When people say stuff like this, I'm always impressed at how impressed they are with ai, and how little faith they have in the people they work with. It's mind boggling, really. Nothing I can say to that
@@LynnColeMusic they are not necessarily more impressed with it…..it’s because it’s ’good enough’, for what they need….it costs pennies and was virtually instantaneous in its creation…..and thats exactly what you’re looking for when you have a deadline and a tight budget!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds This conversation will try my patience, but I'm going to my best. As someone who works with these tools and more sophisticated ones on the daily... I think you're being maybe a little more than generous when you say, "good enough." Not the way yall are using them. Come on dude. Doing AI well, or even adequately to industry standards, is a very involved process. It lets you do some interesting things, but it's not a way to save time or money. It's often more expensive than doing it the traditional way. It requires all or most of the traditional skills you would already have as a composer, and an additional set of computer science skills that everyone should have anyway. Point is, if you're doing it at all, you're there for the art. That said, melody generators have been around for a long time. I just bought one that fits in a pedal. Autotune has been with us for decades. We use AI tools for mastering. We use AI tools for mixing. We are using more AI tools every day, and the next gen tools are going to be amazing for musicians, composers, and producers alike. Jobs change. My job has changed a lot over the last thirty years or so, and so has yours. We work with we have, we learn what we need to learn. There is no us and them. The whole concept is manufactured. Don't fall for it
@@LynnColeMusic so don’t fall for it then….you continue to do it the old way and don’t worry about A.I. …..if its just a tool then use it as just that….and if you’re not a working composer then do it for the love of doing it…..but here’s the thing….what it’s creating right now would have been deemed impossible a year ago…..and I don’t see any indication that the rate of improvement is levelling off…if you think what it’s producing is rubbish then fair enough…..but 99% of cinema goers for example won’t even be able to hear the difference….and that’s a fact! If I played you 5 pieces of music in a years time how confident do you think you be to tell me which is A.I. and which is not? And if you can’t tell the difference or are utterly moved by an AI piece of music in the near future with very minimal human input then where does that leave us?
KI sollte uns bei den langweiligen und unangenehmen alltäglichen Aufgaben helfen, damit wir mehr Zeit haben, kreativ zu sein und Musik zu komponieren, zu zeichnen usw.
1. Users can give it notes and make more descriptive prompts to get closer to what's wanted. 2. The lyrics can be copyrighted 3. Royalties on the television show that include the theme song and copyrighted lyrics can be collected 4. No one can copy the song that includes the lyrics. They could only copy the melody and add their own lyrics. Hey... that's what Weird Al has been doing for decades... no real differences there. So... those "downsides" mentioned aren't as negative as one might think. But I agree that human composers aren't going anywhere!
Christian Henson, the British composer with 30 years experience in the industry and a CV that cannot be beat has just lost his gig writing the music for computer games to AI And that’s now!!! Which human composers are you referring to that have more experience than him and are as confident as you are that they are not going anywhere?
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds I meant to say that we will always have human composers. Just like we have portrait painters even after the camera was invented. And we still have people that bake their own bread, as Guy pointed out.
@@High-Tech-Geek if you are writing music for the love of it or to perform live or creating art as a hobby then I totally agree with you……but will anybody want to pay you for the bread you have lovingly made or will the director or producer be happy with the cheaper bread that you can buy off the shelves for pennies…..and there is a whole lot of very good quality bread on those shelves to choose from…… And last year a photo created by AI won a huge photography competition which was judged by professional photographers…..and they were clueless as to the fact it was created by AI…..they were only told after they had deemed the picture the winner!!
Thanks Guy! As someone who's an audio machine learning engineer and now also a part-time touring musician, I'm cautiously optimistic at best (please feel free to disagree): 1) Technically speaking, these algorithms don't "understand" or "compose" music, they simply capture different audio spectrogram patterns in the input audio data. I think it won't replace musicians and might even assist in compositions, but these algorithms learn over time. So, nothing's stopping Spotify from flooding itself with soulless music that's just training data (as Guy demonstrated in the video). 2) Fundamentally, AI music is akin to going to an expensive restaurant and consuming a pill the chef has prepared that'll make you feel the same way amazing food does, or buying expensive stadium game tickets to feel the excitement of a great game without actually watching the game. These are hollow & meaningless, just an illusion of the real human experience. 3) Making music should be at least a bit difficult, otherwise we risk getting formulaic (arguably mediocre) music, which is what we're witnessing with some popular names & genres. 4) AI music isn't a new instrument or a new recording technique or tool. It's LITERALLY algorithmic shuffling of different compositions to spit out a mindless "tune" that only sounds humane, but actually isn't. For-profit organisations are problematic since they'll always prioritise profit over creativity & supporting musicians, at least until copyright laws adapt accordingly. 5) Music education is so poor that people just don't understand how difficult it is to make ANY kind of composition. The frustrating system of payments, copyrights, licensing, and royalties (Spotify is one of the WORST offenders!) makes matters worse.
even without AI people are putting up FREE music on their channels, they are not cinematic master pieces but its good enough for content creators on youtube etc. which is the biggest target audience of the bedroom composer.. I cant imagine what is gonna happen WITH AI, the ''traditional composer'''is not going to be needed within a couple years when it comes to youtube content creators, I think the best thing to do is the become a content creator yourself by showing how you make the music in a entertaining way.
Great thinking…..you will absolutely need to be multi skilled…at being a content creator and at knowing how to get the best out of AI….if you arn’t doing it then everybody else will be!!
I'm not afraid of AI. Medieval transcribers hated Gutenberg's press invention, in the same way the graphic designers hated Photoshop and so on. Have they lost their jobs? no. Only it was reset in another form. Musicians hated MIDI when it was invented, and orchestral players hated mellotron and samplers. Have they lost their jobs? No. And so it will be this time too. Not to mention the fact that some AI-generated music seems much better to me than a lot of music written by real musicians these days... 🙂 I've been able to get from UDIO songs in 1974 style and various genres: symphonic prog, pop rock, Philly soul... and fantasy soundtracks, italian music, renaissance madrigals and a fake Fab Four song too! It all depends on what we write in the prompt: for instance, "music for kids" will not work, but break down the text into multiple subsets will do. I mean: "easy", "catchy", "acoustic", "joyful", "folk" (if any), "nursery rhyme", also telling the instruments: recorders, marimba, accordion, bassoon, clarinet, glockenspiel and so on, if you will, even the reference year. Writing for instance "1975" will prevent all heavy synt dance, hip hop and metal. You can even write "lyrics about (whatever you like)". I have songs about a love story between a pencil and an eraser gum, or about a fish desiring to fly to the Moon, and so on.
@@Imhotephp I comprehend, instead. But you can't stop the wind with your hands, as an italian proverb tells. So, the best (and only) way to deal with the situation is not to oppose AI, but to learn about it in order to use it to our advantage. AI is a tool, in itself it is neither good nor bad. I assure you: graphic designers were REALLY angry when Photoshop replaced airbrush and things like that... I remember well, I was one of them and I knew plenty. The scribes may not have been happy but there was nothing they could do about it.
@@Imhotephp AI will NEVER replace people. New tecnologies has never done. There are more farmers now that there is the mechanical seeder than when everything was done by hand. And mechanics work better now than 50 years ago. It depends on how we use it to our advantage, as we have always done in human history. That's all.
@@spriggan3935 There is only one troll here, and it isn't him...Christian Henson has ALREADY been replaced - and he isn't just anybody, I would assume that you know.
So much "Doom" speech about AI in the music idustry and like you said everyone preachs it. On the flip side is Guy. A reason to like this channel is for the education and the reason to love it is for the continuous positivity that he shows.
AI is already threatening the livelihood of many composers. A lot of musicians earn money by doing corporate music (or equivalent) and it allows them to finance their own project.
Guy....have you ever done video on your MOST USED samples for EVERY instrument... ie. favorite Oboe, fav. Flute, etc. fav. Legato violins, solo VIOLA, Celli, Cymbal rolls....
I've heard this whole debate many times before. "It'll kill creativity. It'll put real musicians out of work." Etc, etc. The same things were said when synthesizers became affordable and popular. The same things were said when MIDI became widespread. More recently, the same things were said when software orchestras came along. While it could be argued that to some extent that did happen with the tools mentioned above, it could also be argued that a whole big bunch of new music happened BECAUSE of those tools. I myself create new music using BBCSO Core (a software orchestra). That music would not have happened AT ALL without software orchestras. I enjoy hearing new music that other composers have created using software orchestras. I also create new music using synthesizers I own, and MIDI. This music would not have existed at all without those tools. So I'm rather on the fence about all this AI business. Yes, it could do a lot of harm. But I'm open to the possibility that it could also do some good, too. It won't affect me much. I'm just going to carry on composing using the tools I already have.
Except all those things you mentioned don’t compose music. AI does. With all those things you need to compose music and perform it with those tools. With AI you are not needed. Even a random prompt would create quite enjoyable music.
If you’re doing it for the love of music then more power to you….if you’re trying to make money from your music then everything you mentioned above…midi, sample libraries, controller keyboard, synths etc etc will be utterly redundant within three years!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds The only money I make from music is playing in a local covers band. I've long ago accepted that I live in the wrong part of the wrong country on the wrong side of the world to earn a living from music, plus I'm also the wrong side of sixty. But again, the sort of predictions you were making, they've been made many times before. So we'll just have to wait and see.
@@CraigRodmellMusic Very true about the predictions.....but this is happening as we speak.....i don't want it to be happening but i do think people are literally pretending it isn't happening and are in for a huge shock as i have been over the last week as i have heard some stunning AI music!
I have do disagree... AI is the road to composer destruction... and sabotage the true human creativity, and only create a bigger mess for those of us who work hard to produce a great genuine music melody tune and produce... Thanks for all you do!
Would tweak it a bit: Misunderstanding and misuse of AI is the road to composer destruction. The real danger is the human 'intelligence' (or lack of it) when it comes to understanding the tool, its limitations, its actual uses etc. In the same way that people wanted to (and did) use magnets, electricity, X-rays for everything (even when they damaged the body with it), people are now using AI in fundamentally wrong directions and with fundamental misunderstandings about these particular systems that are so hyped.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian The same was said for digital darkrooms, chiefly Photoshop and its novel algorithms that nullified weeks of dark room shenanigans. Sure, AI is scarier because it seems to produce text that makes sense to us, pictures that make some sense (when we eliminate its monumental blunders that a 3 year old child would not do, e.g. fundamental spatial relationships not grasped by AI at all), music that seems 'good enough' for some bland soulless commercial video and such. Only we, as humans, could do these so far. But... if we think that all human creativity will die because some humans don't demand proper artistic output, if we think humans stop wanting actual creativity and its results, then yes, event his rudimentary and shockingly crap AI (wiht no actual intelligence and a huge step back from AI systems of 40+ years ago) will be the end of human creativity. But... based on human history and disruptive inventions, I don't think humans will simply become mindless bland music consumers - well, many do that and they put up with incredibly bland human compositions. For them, AI will be cheaper, easier, faster. But never ever in our history the development of actual art forms was dictated by this subset of audiences. AI may change many things over coming many years - but the key factor is whether humans become so soulless and dumb to ONLY want that kind of self-imitating regurgitative AI output.
@@LeventeZone I hope you are right but considering the speed with which AI has come this far, in a few years a person with zero musical/literary/etc., knowledge will type or say: "write me a symphony/novel/etc., in the style of Beethoven/Dickens/etc." and AI will poop symphonies/novels/etc., doing that through stealing centuries long hard work of artists without their consent. This will happen if artists also are tempted by AI, gradually becoming lazier and lazier, which will render all artists dead or living irrelevant and by depriving us of creativity will turn humans into cucumbers.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian Yes, the real danger is the humans' expectations, perceptions, etc. In the 1950s the Illiac Suite was a phenomenal string quartet composed by the ILLIAC computer, based on stochastic models and lots of human parametric constraints. It is highly listenable - but remained a curiosity. People still flock to listen human expression. So let's see, but the current danger is that some in key places attribute far more to these AI systems and their output than what those represent or deserve. IT has always been the case in human history with every new disruptive invention, but this scares us more because it produces things we perceive as made by some mind behind it. But there isn't one yet as it has zero understanding of the task and its own output - if that is accepted by humans as good music or 'good enough', then that is a major danger.
AI has already killed great part of the photography and illustration industry (the part produced by creative people I mean) It will be exactly the same with Music…
i agree 100% with you (and surprisingly with Chat GPT). My view is that at the moment AI music stands in the same relationship to real music as video game sports do to real sports - a genius simulation that can be valid & enjoyable in its own right, but definitely not a replacement. Give it a few years though and who knows...
I just got back from Soundtrack Cologne, a big industry conference for film composers in Germany. The entire theme of the conference was AI. I was really surprised because, at least to my ears, I haven't seen a single AI tool that is ready to actually be used by the industry. Even if you ignore the insane fact that companies are training on artists without their consent, the quality of the output is just... really bad?
@@magicmulder spot on!!….AI is just copying things and knocking out amalgamated pieces of music from those it has internalised (the history of music)…. And when we compose that’s essentially what we’re doing! And if somebody wants to argue that their muse is the ether and the melody came to them that way, then it was never created by them anyway in the first place…..it was gifted to them….in the just the same way AI does
@@magicmulder When artists are inspired by others, how do they get that inspiration? They buy cds, tapes, vinyls, they stream them on Spotify or listen to them on the radio. They buy concert tickets and go see them live. They even buy sheet music to learn that music. Artists are still remunerated, even indirectly. How does AI do any of this? It scrapes the entire history of recorded music for free then re synthesises it while paying the artists zero, let alone asking for consent. That AI music which has zero human authorship behind it now competes and eats into the finite royalty pool of streaming. This idiotic comparison that AI is just what humans do is tired and not even correct.
@@SC-ew2fc and yet humans are already choosing AI music over music created by a human for films, games and media…..right, wrong and how it does it is utterly indifferent to the fact it’s happening! You can put all of your arguments against it to producers in the future who can either pay you or have AI create music for their film for free and nobody will be able to tell the difference….I’m sure he’ll be all ears to how tired and idiotic the whole thing is and the abuse of humanity! 😂
A former bandmate of mine has released 50 albums (not songs!!) of AI generated music in the past 10 months. It won't kill the music industry it will just stifle originality!
Let’s say I get a media composing brief, try a few AI prompts, and then totally re-record the output, maybe making a few tweaks and improvements. What’s the legal/copyright situation there?
AI (by which we mean deep learning neural networks) come in two branches. Those like ChatGPT which are essentially giant encyclopedias augmented by state-of-the art Natural Language Processing plus a few specialised party tricks. Then there are those like Google's Alpha Zero that can learn to do one thing at a time (meaning pretty much any one thing) way beyond human capability, for example, to play chess at least 25% better than the current world chess champion Magnus Carlson. AIs like ChatGPT can produce music along the lines of "write me a song X about Y in the style of Z". What comes out will be purely derivative and most often sound "canned". Such Ai's will be very good at writing elevator music for example. So shake in your shoes if you earn your crust writing elevator music. AIs like Alpha Zero, AFAIK, have not yet been tasked with learning how to write music. I'm pretty sure Google hasn't tried to do this with Alpha Zero yet. However if they did it might be a game changer. What they might do is give it a crash course in music theory and a few styles/genres to concentrate on then plug it into various music streaming services (Spotify, Pond5, Splice etc). Then tell it to start writing/producing. It's self learning can be based around feeding it streams/download data for it's tracks from the services it's plugged into. It will quickly start to figure out what works and what doesn't. A *lot* faster and more accurately than any human could. Furthermore it would start to create it's own styles and even genres, it would not be limited to aping existing genres. My guess is it would start to make an impact on Splice first, then Pond5 and maybe sometime later it might start getting streams on Spotify. If it did then that's the time to panic. It's possible Google might not want Alpha Zero to do this on the basis it would be totally uncool to do so, i.e. that's why this potentially existential threat to composers/songwriters hasn't materialised yet. In any event the one thing Alpha Zero will not able to do is to play guitars, pianos, horns, flutes, proper drums etc better than humans can as anyone who has tried to program such instruments as VSTs in MIDI already knows (and why Guy never programs his stuff in MIDI, owns a bunch of guitars etc, plays in everything on his keyboard). ChatGPT actually made this point tangentially during Guy's interview with it. For this reason I would say the folks most at risk from AIs like Alpha Zero are those who make electronica, especially electronic dance music.
The whole Spotify library has already been used to trained the AI that is currently available!!…..and you can probably bet your bottom dollar everything on TH-cam. as well!!…it’s too late….AI has already ‘heard’ virtually every piece of music in history and has been trained on it….the time to panic has been and gone!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds No doubt, but as explained all that does is enable an AI to write derivative music without being able to actually play instruments. To give an example, it would be like starting a band trying to copy AC/DC's style without being able to play guitar as well as Angus Young can. The result will generate nothing more than a passing interest if that. Why would anybody bother listening to you over the original. What folks are really interested in is new music, not derivative music. An AI can't come up with new music by copying existing music. So analyzing existing music on Spotify will not get it to the top of the charts. That doesn't mean AI can't in principle create good new music, but it does mean it has to train in a different way. In this case just like a human musician trains. You try stuff and you see if folks like it. If they don't you try something else. If you strike lucky then you double down on it and go on from there.
@@Gregorovitch144 I would have agreed with you up until a few days ago when I heard one of the many ai oasis generated songs……and my heart sank as I realised it was better than anything the Gallagher brothers have produce individually since the band split up and was potentially one of the best songs I had heard that they ever never even created!! The production was 1st class and I swear if you ever knew it was AI and I told you they had got back together and released it you would have never questioned it! Everything was great….the chord structure, the song structure, the instruments, the arrangement, the vocal was perfect (no artifacts)…..and this is now! Give it 5 years and AI will write better songs than we can …..it’s the only logical conclusion!! I would ask you this…..do you think in a few years time if you were to hear a song you thought was by a given band and you loved would you be confident enough to announce if it was actually written and sang by the band or if it was AI?!!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Do you mean "Aisis - Oasis AI"? I just listened to some of it. Then some of Definitely Maybe. a) it's not all AI - "An AI technology as well as music made from the short lived band called Breezer was used to recreate the voice of singer Liam Gallagher and an album called The Lost Tapes Vol 1". It's essentially a loop mash construction. Very clever but that's all it is, clever. b) the production is awful, swimming in mud. You can't hear vocals properly or understand the lyrics (which is possibly a blessing). The guitars are just weird, they don't sound real to me. Overall it sounds like Oasis on a bad night recorded on a cheap cassette recorder. c) Other than out of passing curiosity of what AI can do in terms of copying an artist's style and sound there is no reason whatsoever to play this instead of Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. Playing either after Aisis is like the sun suddenly coming out and the world turning technicolor from grey. In short I would wager a tidy sum that Aisis will fail to out-stream Definitely Maybe on Spotify.
@@Gregorovitch144 no I didn’t mean that….that was done nearly two years ago with the earliest vocal replacement models available….and that was obviously using somebody else’s vocal as a template and the rest of the music was recorded by an actual band so the sound quality and production was down to them…..try one from this last week called oasis lost in the clouds Ai and tell me that ‘Liams’ voice especially doesn’t sound utterly legit….and that the song itself isn’t incredibly catchy and acceptable as a b side or a studio performance…..the only human input was the lyrics which are probably the weakest element…..and remember….this is all created by AI….no voice replacement…..and please be honest with your response because this track literally changed my opinion on AI….and then tell me if you thought this would have been possible 5 years ago and how good you honestly think it will sound in 5 years
The fear of AI in music composition is multifaceted, involving concerns about efficiency, quality, cultural impact, and the potential for a homogenized musical landscape. The real challenge lies in ensuring that AI serves as a complement to human creativity rather than a replacement, and that young people's musical tastes are nurtured to appreciate a broad spectrum of quality and innovation.
I would love to see you take the Banana udio song, dissect a few promising chords, lyrics, and any other ideas in there, and create your own “proper” work using your skills. Then compare the two! Job done?
It will simply be a case of demand. We will be listening to AI compositions and productions in wonder and awe. There will be purists who will stick to the organic productions, yet when a/b tested, they will not be able to discern which is human and which is AI. No-one, even those with first hand experience of the cutting edge of AI are prepared for what AI is bringing to the human experience. Compositions will be video to music as text prompt to image is now! There simply will not be the demand for human composers when a film score can be written by AI in less time it takes a human to view the full film! I like your optimism!
Totally agree!!….at last somebody that can see that the limitations of AI as we speak won’t be limitations for very long…..we have to remember there is a lot of competition to improve AI as fast as possible here as well!!….udio and suno for example! And there is a ton of money being ploughed into A.I. as well……now when was the last time mankind had to make something impossible happen that involved competition to do it and limitless funds??…..oh yes when we were trying to get to the moon!!!……and that impossibility was overcome…..amazing music being created by AI and not by a human impossible?!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!
“There is no AI police coming to your door” - sure, but so much music is being generated and going unheard by you every day that the chances of writing a melody even with the matching harmonies that an AI has already written is going to be pretty high, so that might raise some questions….
Guy, you should hear the things I’ve had Udio do. I think it would shock people. French High Baroque choral music with fluent French singers, Afro Cuban music with fluent Spanish and keys and guitar breaks, Scandinavian Folk ballads, Chinese folk music in fluent Chinese and Japanese City Pop. With the right prompt it can do nearly anything and indistinguishable from a human band. Neural Net Theater is what I call it one here. You should hear it for yourself. The music videos are all Ai generated clips I edited together as well.
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Then I get paid very well if I allow it I suppose lol? See I found a way to copyright it. So if they do that I get paid just like any other gig. Really it would do me a favor if they did. I could use some extra change at the moment. Licensing is quite the industry if you know what you are doing.
At 6:03, AI states "at its current stage cannot fully replicate." Eventually, it is believed AI will be able to do that. However, in the future when AI can write novels and full-length scores, there will be a movement among (hopefully many) humans to boycott AI created art in order to preserve the human experience. I personally suspect that one of the first forms of music AI will master is the ostinato given it's arguably the easiest with which to write music. Some advice AI left out, is to consider composing free of a DAW at times. It will be harder for AI to master pencil paper before a computer. Some of my best themes have come about working it out in my head and on paper. Just something to consider. I also expect that since the industry side of film is all about saving costs given lower ticket sales, and since music is usually an afterthought, it will be one of the first stages of the process to save further money by incorporating music created through AI. To end on a more positive note, Guy is right - no one can take away your love for it. Keep writing.
I wonder if music, like books will become the prized nectar it once was with a much smaller and more dedicated audience? Much like 40s Jazz, or musichall performances or antiques. Almost coattage industry? In a way I wouldn't mind that. Id rather have one person who really likes my work than 2000 who are just using it like a tin of beans. Naive? hmm. As a matter of interest, I tested a Music generator by inputting a description for something unusual that was in my head. It totally and miserably failed to come even remotely close. I was chuffed to bits.
At last! A voice of reason. I totally agree that current AI will enhance many things and can't replace humans. However, the real change will come with AGI.
Section starting at 2:20 once again highlights some crucial points about ai music, which I've personally mentioned several times on various channels: ai can produce music that sounds "cool" or "impressive" with not much more than a single prompt, with recent models it can even deliver complete songs this way, but it can't grasp rich and complex human emotions and express them through music. That's quite a difference. A good example is chat robots. I've worked a lot with ai lyrics, and if you simply ask for a set of lyrics, youl'll get something that - when read out - resembles the sound of somebody reading out a shopping list or bulletin board. Short statements and points, listed one by one, often with lines using the exact same number of syllables every time, with each line divided by a comma around the middle. The sound of this is incredibly mechanical and lifeless, and if used in a song, the result will be equally horrid. But that doesn't mean that ai can't be used to help write good lyrics... the key word here is "help", if effort is put into it, you can work together with the ai in a process leading to a meaningful lyric. By asking for all sorts of modifications, explaining what you're trying to express, and the emotions involved... you can eventually get there. And when the time comes to apply these lyrics to music, it's the same thing again. Even good lyrics will sound "dead" without human guidance, investment and perseverance. Creating a good song takes work, it's just that with ai, the process can be much shorter. So anybody serious about composing/songwriting will not be "threatened by ai"... muzak-writers, on the other hand - they are the ones who should worry. Music is art, and true art requires you to invest yourself... if you're not willing to do that, then tough luck, your days of moneymaking through soulless music are probably over. If your songwriting is robotic, then actual robots are now better at it than you. That is not to say, that music will be forever a closed chapter for you. Should you decide, that you're willing to invest some of yourself, then you can learn, and your existing technical skills from your muzak-past would come in handy. Ai music CAN be soulful, but it is up to us humans to provide that soul and infuse it into our songs. I really like the closing statements of the video, that composers should rise to the challenge and invest themselves, and if they do, the result will be better music, for the benefit of us all.
Ai will definitely replace a lot of music producers who are not skilled at music production, composing maybe mixing and mastering, but for those who are truly passionate and really love music, it will be far difficult for Ai to replace us.
Guy is conflicted here. He wants to portray the viewpoint that AI will likely have minimal impact on students considering paying for classes and advanced degrees through his ThinkSpace Education business which depends upon large numbers of wannabe composers who might typically get jobs after graduating as composer assistants - the low hanging fruit that many commenters and acknowledge to be ground zero for AI replacement.
I feel for Guy big time! I really do!!! But we all have to be honest with ourselves now…..and if we are not then the people that want to ignore the facts can’t turn around in 5 years and tell us that nobody told them AI music was going to get this good and that they can’t compete with it!! The whole ‘A.I. will never be good enough to replace humans when it comes to music argument is frankly hilarious……it is already replacing very experienced media composers in the industry….and to think things are going to slow down is just crazy!! I would have loved to hear what would have been produced by the AI if guy had shown us maybe 5 regenerations of the music for the kids show he was trying to create in the video…..I think if he had and had used better prompts there would have something far more fitting created within seconds
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Couldn't resist seeing what I could get out of UDIO on the Billy Banana thing. Took 12 generations (i.e.6 creates x 2 tracks) to get something vaguely acceptable. Prompt was kids music, nursery rhyme, 1976, happy, playful, child vocalist, quirky, song about a character called Billy Banana who has lots of friends who are fruits. The '1976' was to stop it generating anything based on modern pop, as it did for Guy, and which is very common for UDIO if you don't constrain it. AI generated lyrics were: He's Billy Banana (WOO HOO!) With a smile from ear to ear Billy loves his fruit friends And they all bring cheer (hooray!) [Chorus] There’s Andy Apple, Perry Pear Lucy Lemon, they’re all there I really liked the alliterative names it generated in the chorus.
@@richardpluck6658 yep, excellent stuff!…..and with a little more tweak ability and more elaborate prompting ability which is so obviously around the corner how much blood sweat and tears would it take to get something that’s literally perfect!! If we are honest with ourselves!……guy wouldn’t have finished his morning coffee before it was nailed!!…..I appreciate my attitude is very polar but I think it’s really more unfair to encourage people to take years out of their life to learn skills for a job that we know in all honest won’t exist….it certainly won’t exist in a capacity that somebody will be able to feed a family from their earnings….apart from maybe the cream of the top of promoters maybe…..but also remember…..producers and directors will also be learning how to use AI as well…..and their skill with prompting might be as good as pretty much anybody else!!
These responses are written by people, it's as clear as day :) Many creative people will be making much less for sure because of AI. It's already happening. Just be ready to adapt and change your specialty, if needed within next 5-10 years. You still can do creative stuff as a hobby though, no problems with that :) Have you seen the recent Gladiator 2 trailer? Do you really think the quality original music is so important for entertainment makers?
Nice video. But how on earth can we make sure, that people dont upload and register their AI music with PROs unless there's some kind of watermark system that makes it absolutely clear that it was created with AI?
Why would you prevent it if they did in fact write it? That’s like saying “we need a system to ensure no one who uses sound libraries or DAWs is allowed to secure their rights”. It’s not so black and white. If someone writes the lyrics it’s “their song” just like any other method of composing. A person could compose and write everything and simply use ai to perform the vocals. Again just like any sound library or instrument, it’s still their original work.
Can AI make better music than humans?
No
Does the best music get noticed?
No
Will Spotify have AI make music and then push music to the top of the charts just so it can make 100% on all songs?
Absolutely
Do people generally under 40 give a shit about music ?
No.
It truly is a disgusting world we live in, isn't it?
Writers can use AI to make high quality music no label would make and few listeners will notice.
@@abram730 Exactly. Many of us are trying to create music in extinct genres that we personally miss, but are no longer considered "viable" for the record labels.
Everything has an end. Spotify too
"Hello AI, are you a threat?" "Erm, *cough* not at all. Humans are so much better than we"
for now...
@@adriendecroy7254 i legit think the only current advancements to AI are just layers and layers of "guardrails" and backfeeding to try and bandaid the BS core-level, which to be fair, is truly impressive. but this bandaid layer after bandaid layer is NOT going to produce the industry goal of truly "General AI" AGI its pretty much just desktop nerds getting rich off VC & "An Idea". salespeople exist in all industries, and "AI" / "GPT" is the next big buzzword. i hope its common knowledge now that "AI" doesnt actually conceptualize anything new. the best it can do is a pseudorandom-based siezure-fest thru a digital NN to force the poor gremlin to crap out an output based upon other humans' works.
@@adriendecroy7254 The "Erm, cough" was the clue that the AI actually thinks otherwise and knows itself a serious threat already. But it lies to the ones manning the big red OFF button.
Also, I think that AI companies are trying to solve all of the wrong problems. All of the tools I've seen are trying to replace or shorten the act of composing, which is actually fun, rather than replace or enhance the boring parts of being a composer (like sample categorization, stem exporting, organizing files, sending emails, proofreading parts, I could go on and on).
making tea...AI generate reasons not to start work....
Choosing, sorting and organazing files one time was 95% of my creative work))) That's really a hell.
Well for starters the AI would need to be broken apart and integrated with passable tokens, and that would need to be trained with stems and the final songs. That would need to be done to even interface with musicians correctly.
Early AI can do all the things you said though.
You don't get it. They are not trying to "solve" anything, they just go to where the money are. That's capitalism.
@@FireF1y644 Came here to say that. Thanks. People seem not to fully grasp that fact. It's about making shareholders happy, nothing more. If they distroy an industry branch or two in the process - nobody in big tech cares about it. Monopolize anything possible. Make people addicted to generating shitty songs or digital girlfriends - that's where the money is.
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Am I really the only one in the world who lost his job as a hobby composer because of AI?
The person I was doing music for told me he didn't need me and that AI would be composing music for him now.
Likely not but it’s very anecdotal at present on top of being in the age of the internet making it entirely too easy to overblow the stories we do year even about digital artists losing their jobs, unfortunate that you were one of the ones affected though :/
It really is rough times for those of us at the lower rungs of composing trying to get our first gigs now that AI is entering the scene. I was really hoping I would be able to write music for smaller indie games some day, even if the pay sucked.
There is definitely a "mind the gap" problem going from your first short films to first paid gig but thats been there for a while now thanks to Pond 5 etc.
@@ThinkSpaceEducation with respect Guy…..I don’t think you can remotely compare the competition from AI to that of pond 5 and the like….i hate to be the messenger of doom but let’s be realistic about things…..paid film / game composers are going to be as rare as rocking horse 💩 within 3 years…..nobody will care enough nor be able to tell if blood, heart, sweat and tears or an instant AI creation was responsible for the music in any given film or game…..if we thought hans zimmer was responsible for homogenising the sound of this field, AI will bring something with far more variety and flair and you will literally not be able to tell who or what created it!
It’s time to accept the inevitable or be left behind realising your surplus to the modern way of doing things
If 'Big Music' pushes enough trash on the world, trash will become the desired norm.
Thank you so much for this video. I really enjoyed hearing your perspective on this topic. I always learn something new from your videos. 🙏🏼🎶
For best results with Udio, you need to use the custom lyrics box. Not only can you add your own lyrics, but you can also add tags telling the bot what part of the song you're at (verse, chorus, bridge, finale, etc) and where you want certain instruments to come in (eg, string interlude, guitar solo, piano noodling, etc). If you let the bot take total control, your results won't be all that great. You have to take control of the bot, and make it do what you want it to do. Also, the more tags you put in the prompt box up top, especially specific ones, the more control you'll have. Like anything else, you have to experiment and get experience with it before you can really start making good stuff with it.
So you're saying you have to like write a song? You have to think of an arrangement in your head and be able to properly describe it? You're saying to get good results you need skill?
Incredible.
@@swagmundfreud666 If you want good results, yes. It's a different skillset than traditional composing, of course. In many ways, you have to be like a producer, judging performances, and getting on the talkback with a, "Let's try another take, fellas." Having a good ear for what sounds good is key to getting a good Udio song. Also, a lot of trial and error is involved, especially since this is still an infant technology. (As an aside, I'm currently working on an whimsical Udio song welcoming Guy to the Udio family. 😉)
@@swagmundfreud666 yeah because it's not witchcraft. Musicians will get better results than hobbyists. It's just a production shortcut.
Ye, that is exacly what I am doing. I propose good Verses and Chorus, correct if needed because pronounciation. The next step in future is, you can propose the melody. But the hardest part is, to get Routenote working ( after 1 month still doesnt do anyhing) , get spotify working ( total unusable insreuctions ) although I am software engineer. I do not need any money, I earn more than enough, I will start publishing free for fun.
Hey Rip, it's Ixus! He speaks the truth. Knowing what kind of music you're writing is very important to making the model work the way you probably want it to. If you want a song to sound like an old jazz song? Know how to write an old jazz song. the LLM that auto-writes lyrics is just not good at the task. It has a lazy vocabulary and not a lot of creativity.
That's exactly what I would expect AI to say to lull us into a false sense of security
There REALLY need to be laws that protect us creatives so we can keep our job!
It said “at this stage”; that’s very disturbing.
All the text used to train text-based generative AI (including machine translation) has been stolen; all the pictures used to train generative AI have been stolen. I’m really pessimistic
People got this wrong all the time. Automation doesn't kill all the jobs, it just kills 99% of the jobs. The one who last are the artisans making finly crafted expensive items for posh people. And the experts at using automation who will be be 100 times more productive than traditional workers. Why can't we imagine AI that you give a melodic phrase to and a few verbal indication on style and orchestration and get an audio file but also a score midi files and lirary pressets to use. And you can converse with your AI so you can get it to make any kind of changes you want or variations or use the same theme in a different mood or context. The few people still hand crafting their stuff will have their inovations copied and improved in seconds where it took them years to develop their new thing. And the copyrights can be given to the prompter or to the composer who asked AI for the midi files and samples instead of audio files.
Totally agree….and if it’s only going to kill 99% of the jobs it’s just hype then yes? 😂😂
Problem with AI is that everyone expected it to handle the most boring and repetitive jobs, improving our quality of life. Instead, it has started from the jobs and activities we actually love@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds
Oh, because killing 99% of jobs isn't destroying an industry? I guess it's ok then
Also the true legal issue doesn't stem so much from economic losses, but from the ethics of how these models are trained.
Most AI models have been trained on existing HUMAN-created content without consent or permission from the original creators or rights-holders. Many of them have sued over this because their creative thumbprint is literally being stolen and emulated without their permission. This is just as bad as when actual humans would commit forgeries in art or plagiarism in music, except now the perpetrator is a faceless piece of technology made openly available to the public.
People who use it don't even realize how disruptive and destructive they're being to professional creatives' livelihoods, because the hype train is trying to make us overlook that.
I remember in the 80's Live Musicians wanted to ban synths.
Most of the best albums had session players on them writing and/or performing rather than the Artists whose name was on the record.
How many artists use the same chord structures etc?
Having played around with "Ai" music i really don't see it being anything other than another tool rather than a threat for musicians.
Music wasn't invented by computers and I really can't see Ai killing it off, If anything it may be the thing that brings real music more to the forefront..
Maybe..
Drum machines, loops, autotune...
Regarding copyright, wasn't there a recent story from Spotify where they have specifically said that they are publishing music using AI covering all possible chord progressions, lyrics using all sorts of topics and copywriting it all?
AI composition will eventually replace us. If not for speed and practicality, for affordability. A friend of mine was working in an orchestra pit for years, and suddenly they were all replaced with a backing track that was arranged and sent off to an orchestra in an Eastern European country, recorded and mastered and the finished product sent back for under $1000
I don't need to illustrate the the cost savings there.
AI music will only take this same business model further. A Musical Director will become the producer, engineer and artist with a press of a button. Eliminating that entire "collaboration" process.
Maybe I'm just so jaded and sad about it that this is my point of view.
As of right now, the law states that chord progressions cannot be owned as a copyright. Same thing with rhythms - a case that was actually lost by Bo Diddly when he tried to copyright his signature beat. Melody and lyrics are the parts of a musical composition that copyrights apply to. I should add that this relates to the laws in the USA, not sure how it works in the rest of the world, but I assume it must be at least somewhat similar everywhere?
So in theory if an AI was to generate every melody possible (A pretty big task but playing devils advocate here) Could that be copyrighted? @@IanBoccio
"AI will replace us" and be utterly incapable of reproducing the experience of being a replaced human. Point is, only humans have access to the human experience in whichever societal context including such imagined dystopias. Thus only humans can create content that connects with the same in a meaningful way.
This is a deeply insightful and "human" video. So great! As you say, AI can imitate so many human things, very well. And this puts so many human endeavors at risk, for "replacement." But, as shown so well in the Blade Runner movies, and the associated writings of Philip K. Dick, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, et al., AI is all about imitation. Many of us humans will be displaced by imitation, as we have been, ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution. But there is ONE thing that can not be replicated: the life experiences of an actual human. The weaknesses of a human. The loves and hatreds of a human. The human that needs toilet paper and a good meal and a dear friend. The complete life of a human being: starting from the sheer panic of birth, and manifested in the sheer panic of life and loss going forward. Music is for humans, and by humans. As such, we composers and artists and creators must do one thing: Create what WE ourselves want to hear. No robot will ever sing a lullaby, or crack a really good joke in a pub.
Music is not just about notes and composing. It's also about who, when, how, why it's produced and so much more. There's a person behind it making a statement, creating a feeling, it's a novel written in notes that last approx. 3 minutes. It's exciting, bold sounds that explode through your speakers along with a powerful video where there's an artist showing something to the world that "matters in a way that "we alive people" can releate to and understand. Just knowing that one piece of music was made by human makes a difference in listening experience, especially if the song is larger than life, out of this world with it's sounds, lyrics and production. AI can help, but the main engine that will have the most impact is human. Something "alive".
Not sure that asking ChatGPT for an opinion is a good starting point.
On a channel dedicated to training young musicians for a career in the industry……😅
Finally a sober view on this topic. A big thank you, Michael!
you're welcome
Absolutely correct. I just watched an old episode of Ray Kurzweil on NDT talking about AI. Pretty much all positive.
Thank you so much for this video about AI because when I watched Rick Beato's video, and I love his videos, that talked about Udio and AI, I believed my career as a media composer was gone. Your video gave me a lot of hope about how humans will always triumph over machines.
Probably the best presentation on the topic, with focus on the real creativity that humans are capable of producing, thank you for making this!
The text prompts you give an AI doesn't come close to the control a composer, painter or writer has.
The control is what allows it to work contextually and not just sound or look alright in a vacuum.
But AI is much faster which could be useful in situations when the context is not as important.
Agreed
@@DanIel-fl1vc ask yourself the same question in 6 months ….or try saying that to the producer or director of the movie you’re trying to get a gig on in 6 months and see if they feel the same
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds If you know what you're doing. You're not going to need an AI to do it for you. You would give up CONTROL for speed. Nobody is going to do that except people that have no idea what they're doing.
I've seen some impressive AI generated pictures. But it lacks context. You're not going to be able to use that in a video game or as an illustration in a book. It's just an average look alike of a much better picture SOMEONE painted in the past.
Those (someones) still walk around, if you're not one of them that explains why you believe AI will replace everyone. You think it's unimaginable to paint an amazing picture or create a great piece of music. It took on average brothers Hildebrandt 2 weeks to create one of their calendar paintings. Guy proves every time he uploads a video that he can put together something decent in half an hour. Give him two weeks and let's see how it holds up to some AI generated tune. No contest.
AI is most exciting to people that have never been able to amount to anything creatively. There won't be a movie director in 6 months creating movies with text prompts, that's a pipe dream.
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Suno have been out for exactly six months and it has been the same since. You have the exact same amount of control over the music now as you did when it came out and it's not much.
@@random-guy-blep did you think what suno or udio is creating was even possible a year ago??…don’t think the quality has vastly improved?, have you used the extend audio features? And don’t you think the control you want will be here within 6 months? Really?
I love making my own music. And I love listening to it as well. While it will never sell, it is fun; And yes I use Logic session players sometimes.
As impressive as AI music technology is I have realised most of it is missing something that makes it difficult to listen to for long periods. It can come up with some good ideas and is good for recreating long lost genres but I cant listen to it for long periods without feeling a bit fatigued and its made me appreciate real music far, far more than I ever did. No doubt it will get better but as it stands, it needs a lot of human input to sound good.
Thanks mate. Brilliant summation of where we are now out there; excellent analysis.
Thank you Guy. I see this as disruptive technology. I do not think anyone who can play live will be threatened but the "slice and dice" and drum machine/DAW producers will be challenged and perhaps surpassed by the AI. The key for copyright is to make sure you write the lyrics. While the music generated could be stolen without recourse, the lyrics rights are retained by the writer. I think it applies even if you modify AI generated lyrics, although I would avoid that on principle. Your best argument has to do with unique human experiences and our reactions to life's realities. So many disruptive technologies in our lifetimes - this is one of them. Each time was an advance... from semiconductors to main frames to PC's, to software to apps to cell phones. Now this, I suspect we adapt or become irrelevant. Something new is born but it is just another tool for creatives.
Of course it won't kill the music industry. It will just kill creativity, human dignity, musicianship, originality and composing.
Not in its *current state* 😉
It will just kill creativity, human dignity, musicianship, originality and composing.
@@Zareh_Abrahamiandude, obviously. Geez, do you think anyone is talking about the fear of this thing from the now perspective?!? I’m so fucking tired of hearing people say “I listened to an AI song the other day and it sucked”. It’s absolutely not about what it can do now. It’s about it abilities in the future. All humans are are advanced AI. People say “AI will never write music like a human.” How is it do you think people write music? All we do is take ideas we’ve heard in the past and from many sources and add our touch to it. We think we are all individual and unique, we’re not. We’re just an accumulation of everything from our geographical location and life experiences, which are just things that come from the past. AI will be able to take all music ever written and then skew it greatly. That’s all humans do, it’ll just be able to do it in 15 seconds. Good luck to us.
@@instrumentalmike How it escaped your attention, blows the gray matter out of my brain! I referred to the conversation in the video where AI says it cannot do this or that *in its current state.* I even typed *current state* in bold and put the wink emoji. Under many videos including this one about AI I post my not so positive view of what AI will do to our civilization, here a sample:
in a few years a person with zero musical/literary/etc., knowledge will type or say: "write me a symphony/novel/etc., in the style of Beethoven/Dickens/etc." and AI will poop out symphonies/novels/etc., doing that through stealing centuries long hard work of artists without their consent.
As far as "we did the same thing" as an example consider what is known as the Western classical music where we have records, the names here are just the representatives of a certain era, you choose the ones you prefer: Medieval era >> Renaissance >> Bach >> Mozart >> Beethoven >> Chopin >> Rachmaninoff >> Shostakovich >> Contemporary, etc., etc. Every artist *brought their own share to the table,* enriching human culture, unlike what AI generated "art" is doing. AI is robbing humans of the _creative process_ which will render all artists dead or living irrelevant and will turn humans into two-legged cucumbers.
I’m a minute into this video and already feel relieved thank you 🙏 I’m so sick of the A.I fear mongering it just leaves me feeling powerless because at the end of the day there’s nothing I can do about it but MAKE MUSIC. 🎵
ChatGPT, like Udio, and like Midjourney, is basically an automated mashup machine. Some human had to have all those thoughts for ChatGPT to regurgitate.
That's not really how they work. A "modelled instrument" would be a closer comparison to a sampled one. And even that is not really very fitting, as AIs can literally "conjure up new things out of thin air", but (mostly) based on "rules" learned by/from humans. There is nothing preventing them from breaking the rules, inventing new rules or new "models" as well. From the viewpoint of "creativity", a single AI can be more creative than any human in a myriad of ways. Whether that is "true art" or "lacks human connection" or "soul" is whole another subject.
Obviously Udio and Suno haven’t published the details of their algorithm, but it’s probably something along the lines of MusicLM, which uses SoundStream at its base. SoundStream is a generic audio codec. Suno has been shown to produce producer tags by DJ Khalid and Cash Money AP verbatim.
@@Lantertronics musicians are mashup machine?? All a musician churns out is an amalgamation of everything they have heard and internalised……no different to AI
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds I'm planning to make another video about this so I can get into the details, but the way humans incorporate their influences to make new works is not even remotely like how these algorithms actually work.
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds A starting point to focus your thinking:
Getty images watermarks were appearing in Midjourney result. Would a human artist learning form images on the Getty's website ever put the watermark in their painting?
Suno has outputted "Cash Money AP" and "DJ Khalid" producer tags verbatim. Would a human musician listening to those works and being influenced ever do that?
Suno and Udio haven't released the details of their algorithms, but they're probably along the lines of MusicLM, which uses SoundStream -- an audio codec -- at its core.
I didn't expect to spend my morning wondering whether the existence of happy hardcore scene back in the 90's has made generative AIs too deeply confused about the nature of children's TV music to be able to write it successfully.... Thank you, Mr. Michelmore.
@@catsonmygear come back in 6 months and see if it is still confused in the eyes of the producers for the show!
A good thing I've heard is that calculators didn't replace mathematicians but is now a great tool for them. If AI is used and developed right it will become an outstanding tool for learning things. We have been here many times, electronic instruments was feared to destroy classic music but that didn't happen. Smartphone was about to make us less social but instead we social in different ways also like forums, chats etc. It's faschinating how we human have "catastrophic thinking" as default mindset :)
Mathematicians have been doing work beyond what a calculator could do, for centuries before the calculator was invented. Also, calculators are deterministic, not generative.
@@carultchExactly! As a math master student in a university I would say that 99 % what I do is something that a calculator could never do.
Amazing chapter! Almost cannot believe the conversation with ChatGPT. The best way to remain is to adapt and using the latest tools and trying to understand how those work or not with our workflow.
Thanks Guy, some great points here! Makes me feel better as a composer that there is indeed a positive future for us.
One thing that immediately comes to mind for this type of thing is motifs/themes used in film and game. Lots of works have motives that get reharmonized or varied in some other way. I haven’t played around with Ai music too much but I don’t see it sliding something like that very well.
This was inspiring and informative. Especially the angle on legislation and royalties.
Best comment about generated AI , i have seen until now. AI music will only replace music in places where we want have background noise, and were we dont want to listen but only hearing music who is covering bad noise. Exemple are public toilets, stores, train station... There is also a problem with listeners. Since we have walkman , we are able to listen music everywhere. But listening has drifted to hearing music and down to consuming organisized noise. Even my self as 65 old boomer, i dont often listen music in good condition. Mostly radio in car or lying on bed relaxing when i have back pains. Rare are the moments where i can listen music in good qualitty with no background noise. An other probleme is how good are our ears to appriciate music, we gettting older or having broken ears with concert, discothek or labor. Music IA generator will getting better. Loss of job will not be in generator but with IA tool who are abele to enhance quality of an input, like ia autotune, sound seaching engine, ia helper for composition etc.
There are people living of off these. And some very talented musicians finance their main project with "background noise".
People will choose but how many people will choose to use AI for their music when it takes a few clicks and little time or money?... producers/composers can choose to use AI, or not creatively, but when its about time and money AI will win hands down...so undoubtably there will lots n lots n lots of music in the future written by AI and as the power of AI increases how long will creativity last?...I think we need start looking ahead and better understand the power of AI.
I think we need to make a big distinction between AI, being totally auto generated, and some of the other modern tools around, which most people may also see as “cheating” but enable great music creation. Like the UJAM virtual instruments, which can play riffs but you still have to tell it what chords and nuances to use and then own the composition. You pick the riffs you like, and can develop your own style. Or the Hollywood Orchestra software, this is a great example, though I don’t mean to just use those presets it comes with, to program the MIDI yourself allows things to be created that weren’t previously possible in a short space of time.
No doubt that software, midi, virtual instruments make it easier and quicker to create music. Of course there's those who disparage it being that it's not a group of human performers. I guess I understand their side, but most of us don't have the means to hire a band. I agree with you, it's not cheating at all to use such tools, especially if you're the one who creates each and every riff and drum lick, which I do. Not saying my music's all that good, but in terms of entering each note (or performing it), that's my preference. AI is 100% different from that, no creativity involved other than your prompt.
Every sample library will be fed into an ai model very soon…..no more massive libraries to store…..and DAW’s as we know them won’t even exist….everything will be web and cloud based….midi will be obsolete
In my view, similarly as it is in the photography industry, if the consumer doesn’t know or can’t tell the difference between so many definitions of quality, aesthetics, creative acuity, etc, or they don’t care that one is hugely better or worse than the other - then the market will elect to go to the cheapest made vendor -sacrificing what they don’t know about. It would be only among those who are educated and care that the supportive level of market woujd exist. This has always been the case in most all industries where the untrained eye or ear settles for mediocrity.
Indeed!….but the problem is that within 3 years AI music will be anything but mediocre….the day will come VERY soon when you hear a piece of music or a song and you won’t dare ask if it was created by AI because you love it that much and don’t want to know that something so ‘synthetic’ has moved you to tears!
Thing is, it doesn’t even have to be indistinguishable. Look at all the AI images all over social media marketing. People openly hate on AI art but it’s been foisted on us whether we like it or not.
Luckily, AI art and images are now called “Boomer Bait” by teenagers. It can be ubiquitous but totally hated at the same time. And that’s what will happen with all generative AI. Tech will be developed to tag AI content and once people know it’s made with AI, the quality is irrelevant. It will probably instantly tarnish it as “counterfeit.” If you talk to younger people now, surprisingly, they think AI-made stuff is shit on an almost spiritual level. They want real stuff.
I agree with this so much and have been saying as much to my students! Great video, will be sharing widely - nice one!
As a hobbyist, i just dont want to see AI tools added to Cubase and making it a selling point at a higher price. Adobe getting shame for this already for AI in Photoshop
Really good topic Guy. I like your video, you inspire me a lot and your energy push me to compose. At least because of you I Fall in love with Orchestral compositing music, because of you i realized that I was not really interested in electronic music. Since March 2034 I've rebuild my home studio, buy lot of spitfire Library and just enjoy it every day. Thank you so much for your content in here. I am always very happy to discover new topics on your channel. You are a really interesting person. I hope the best for you.
Love it man! Are we doing things for competition? Yeah your in a hurry now! Or.. do you your things for fun. Nobody will take that away from you. And.. i hope people can distinquise it in the future. People can be creative without prompts/ inovative. Ai i can't in essence.. so do your own unique thing, do not copy and paste and you will be unique right?
Love your videos Guy!
Your presentation style is so inclusive, I feel as if I know you. So, something else that AI can't do is be YOU, Guy!
You are UNIQUE and have a brilliant and unique youtuber style that brings me (and hopefully others) back again and again. You have a personality a mile wide. And that gets into your music - making it unique and uniquely HUMAN.
I have heard that music speaks the language of emotion. Until AI is capable of emotion (this requires having a subconscious mind), music is safe as an art form.
BUT, yeah, the music industry bean counters in marketing, the financial planners, they miss the point of what make Music- MUSIC! All they see is MONEY (or a lack of it). So for them it is about profit, not art. (Although art can be very profitable.)
AI can't be truly creative. All it can do is randomize elements and bring them together.
That's why your AI creation of a kids TV show theme was such a bust!
AI can teach and inform, it can be logical and reasonable (in a world where logic and reason are routinely thrown out the window). But -- it can NEVER crack a smile or laugh.
You can, GUY, and that makes you unique and untouchable.
AI is no threat to you!
I don't subscribe to AI youtube channels (these are so blatantly transparent!). I DO subscribe to YOU!
I do sound design for games and linear media. There are so many iterations before a sound is shipped that at high levels (AAA, AA games) it won't replace. You have to create the sound to animation, with each crafted layer that most of the time are going to be separated for the audio middlewares in weird ways so no, it won't replace us. At lower level starting jobs? I think it will. When the sound is not important, it's just a part of a video or content and you can be more general and ai will take over. Less entry level jobs, and that SUCKS
So no….it won’t replace us….famous last words my friend….
look at how well A.I. can code now…..it’s already writing games….rudimentary ones maybe right now but the games industry will go the same way as music will….look at how many graphic artists have lost their jobs in the last few years!…..you must know people that have lost their jobs to A.I. already in the graphics dept surely?!! They too thought they were safe!….
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds not at HIGH level. I have not seen artists loose their job because of AI. It can help to some extent, even in audio there are some algorithmic VSTs powered by AI, but they require expert ears. This is why I'm saying entry level jobs will be replaced, but there is so much to take in consideration for ai to FULLY replace jobs. Even developers that choose to use AI have to review it and fix it, because ai writes general code that works, but if you are programming an AAA game with hundreds of thousands of variables it needs humans to understand and fix what's going on.
When I have to make a sound with 20 layers, I have FULL control on them, AI does not. And remember, AI has to be trained on something, if it's not allowed to train on high level content it won't replace us
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds what are you talking about? i don't see anything around what you say about, ai-masturbator =) designers vacancies are only increasing in my country. And AI is a great supportive tool for professionals. haha
@@NRSoundDesign Ah, sound design is very cool thing. I'm shure AI will be our useful support in high professional area. Don't mind about ai hysterics. that is temporary hype. Good luck with your work )
@@eujeno designer vacancies?……..I am talking about composer vacancies…..do you have composers in your country??
And let’s see how optimistic you are about those job opportunities in three years….why not pay for one of this channels courses as well
First of all: Great video Guy - well said. As a poor aspiring hobby musician I am obviously not worried nor will I be affected - but the overall rise of AI (why does this sound like the "Rise of the machines" suddenly ?) - the overall increase in usage of AI which is rapidly improving by learning and spreading like a wildfire over all aspects of life is - if we as humanity treat it sensibly - a good thing. The problem is not in AI - the problem is in us as a human race being sensible - so nothing has changed ...
Some balance in this matter is good, good points!
BTW BIlly the Banana sounds like a great idea for a show. The music it gave you sounds more like Billy the power ranger robot, than Billy Banana. I've recently heard some music that friends of mine, who can't play music on their own, have used A.I. to make for them, guiding it based on their needs and ideas--which is a learning curve of its own. What they came up with was pretty good stock music, is the best way I can describe it, now of course stock music is used for lots of shows--where it can be better than nothing--at best, for sure or where it works fine mixed up and with talk and sound FX. It "sounds" like "real" music in that context, on their own the pieces were more and more alike the longer I listened to them on it's own. As I say, it sounds like real music until you actually listen to it, or compare it to real music, let alone real music written to picture. Of course that's more than producers may ask for or something they may not even miss--or that's what they'd tell you if you asked them. Guy your point about producers not being able to own the music, is not something I've heard said and as that appeals to being able to make more money off of their show....that's a great argument. Now some AI music program I'm sure will exist eventually specifically for games and shows, where you could say, I want blah blah blah type of music for 30 seconds, then I need it to turn into slower sad music for 1:23 then something scary happens at 5min for 15 seconds, hero arrives for 20 seconds and then return to the main theme for a minute. That would wipe out the music editor's job, though that job gets dumped on picture editors a lot these days already. I don't see that kind of control or detail yet for AI music, but the rare genius of the greats of film scoring is that they can hit all those specific moments, yet still write music that can stand on its own, has emotional impact and character depth and originality all at the same time.
AI isn't going to kill all composing, at least not at first. But, as you said, it will likely come close to killing off the entire segment of inexpensive, low-effort, derivative music that often comes from royalty-free libraries or is commissioned for advertising. At first glance, that doesn't sound so terrible, because most of us don't care for that kind of music anyway. But many now-established composers and producers got their start doing that kind of stuff. Now, what's a young aspiring composer going to do? No one is going to hire a kid off the street to score their $100m sword-and-sandal epic, they'd want someone with experience and credentials. Once upon a time, a lot of that experience came from indie films, TV commercials, and other low-budget productions. If those jobs are taken by AI composers or libraries of AI compositions, where are human composers going to get their start? As beloved elder composers die off, who is going to take their place?
AI in no way poses any threat to the prestige level of any media: literature, music, movies, etc. It only threatens the lowest rung. But that's like saying: we're not going to destroy any of your army, we're just taking out all your cadets and trainees and wiping out all your boot camps. Sure, you're going to be fine for a while. By the time you realize that your entire structure has been cut off at the knees, it will be too late for you to do anything about it.
Great video Guy! Thanks for reminding me of Udio, their 1.5 model is still worse than Suno though...
As someone who's been experimenting prolifically with generative AI in music (it goes well past suno and udio), my honest feeling is that there isn't a lot of separation between the human being and the machine. Ai's, broadly, and with few exceptions are still very difficult to use. And even the ones that are easy to use are difficult to use well. Not all AI music is created equal, which seems counter-intuitive, but makes sense when you understand that there are different tools and processes. There is no threat. It's just what the next generation of tools looks like
So the composers losing their jobs isn’t because AI is a threat….its just what the next generation looks like yes?
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds When people say stuff like this, I'm always impressed at how impressed they are with ai, and how little faith they have in the people they work with. It's mind boggling, really. Nothing I can say to that
@@LynnColeMusic they are not necessarily more impressed with it…..it’s because it’s ’good enough’, for what they need….it costs pennies and was virtually instantaneous in its creation…..and thats exactly what you’re looking for when you have a deadline and a tight budget!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds This conversation will try my patience, but I'm going to my best.
As someone who works with these tools and more sophisticated ones on the daily... I think you're being maybe a little more than generous when you say, "good enough." Not the way yall are using them.
Come on dude.
Doing AI well, or even adequately to industry standards, is a very involved process. It lets you do some interesting things, but it's not a way to save time or money. It's often more expensive than doing it the traditional way. It requires all or most of the traditional skills you would already have as a composer, and an additional set of computer science skills that everyone should have anyway. Point is, if you're doing it at all, you're there for the art.
That said, melody generators have been around for a long time. I just bought one that fits in a pedal. Autotune has been with us for decades. We use AI tools for mastering. We use AI tools for mixing.
We are using more AI tools every day, and the next gen tools are going to be amazing for musicians, composers, and producers alike.
Jobs change. My job has changed a lot over the last thirty years or so, and so has yours.
We work with we have, we learn what we need to learn. There is no us and them. The whole concept is manufactured.
Don't fall for it
@@LynnColeMusic so don’t fall for it then….you continue to do it the old way and don’t worry about A.I. …..if its just a tool then use it as just that….and if you’re not a working composer then do it for the love of doing it…..but here’s the thing….what it’s creating right now would have been deemed impossible a year ago…..and I don’t see any indication that the rate of improvement is levelling off…if you think what it’s producing is rubbish then fair enough…..but 99% of cinema goers for example won’t even be able to hear the difference….and that’s a fact!
If I played you 5 pieces of music in a years time how confident do you think you be to tell me which is A.I. and which is not? And if you can’t tell the difference or are utterly moved by an AI piece of music in the near future with very minimal human input then where does that leave us?
Billy banana is going to a rave.
A very welcome perspective, thank you!
@1m20s Your camera has superior autofocus!-) Well played. 😊
KI sollte uns bei den langweiligen und unangenehmen alltäglichen Aufgaben helfen, damit wir mehr Zeit haben, kreativ zu sein und Musik zu komponieren, zu zeichnen usw.
1. Users can give it notes and make more descriptive prompts to get closer to what's wanted.
2. The lyrics can be copyrighted
3. Royalties on the television show that include the theme song and copyrighted lyrics can be collected
4. No one can copy the song that includes the lyrics. They could only copy the melody and add their own lyrics. Hey... that's what Weird Al has been doing for decades... no real differences there.
So... those "downsides" mentioned aren't as negative as one might think.
But I agree that human composers aren't going anywhere!
Christian Henson, the British composer with 30 years experience in the industry and a CV that cannot be beat has just lost his gig writing the music for computer games to AI
And that’s now!!!
Which human composers are you referring to that have more experience than him and are as confident as you are that they are not going anywhere?
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds I meant to say that we will always have human composers. Just like we have portrait painters even after the camera was invented. And we still have people that bake their own bread, as Guy pointed out.
@@High-Tech-Geek
if you are writing music for the love of it or to perform live or creating art as a hobby then I totally agree with you……but will anybody want to pay you for the bread you have lovingly made or will the director or producer be happy with the cheaper bread that you can buy off the shelves for pennies…..and there is a whole lot of very good quality bread on those shelves to choose from……
And last year a photo created by AI won a huge photography competition which was judged by professional photographers…..and they were clueless as to the fact it was created by AI…..they were only told after they had deemed the picture the winner!!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds There was also an AI image competition in which a real photo have won. lmao
@@random-guy-blep aha, really!! Well that goes to show that we do acknowledge and expect A.I. to produce humanlike content already 😂
Thanks Guy! As someone who's an audio machine learning engineer and now also a part-time touring musician, I'm cautiously optimistic at best (please feel free to disagree):
1) Technically speaking, these algorithms don't "understand" or "compose" music, they simply capture different audio spectrogram patterns in the input audio data. I think it won't replace musicians and might even assist in compositions, but these algorithms learn over time. So, nothing's stopping Spotify from flooding itself with soulless music that's just training data (as Guy demonstrated in the video).
2) Fundamentally, AI music is akin to going to an expensive restaurant and consuming a pill the chef has prepared that'll make you feel the same way amazing food does, or buying expensive stadium game tickets to feel the excitement of a great game without actually watching the game. These are hollow & meaningless, just an illusion of the real human experience.
3) Making music should be at least a bit difficult, otherwise we risk getting formulaic (arguably mediocre) music, which is what we're witnessing with some popular names & genres.
4) AI music isn't a new instrument or a new recording technique or tool. It's LITERALLY algorithmic shuffling of different compositions to spit out a mindless "tune" that only sounds humane, but actually isn't. For-profit organisations are problematic since they'll always prioritise profit over creativity & supporting musicians, at least until copyright laws adapt accordingly.
5) Music education is so poor that people just don't understand how difficult it is to make ANY kind of composition. The frustrating system of payments, copyrights, licensing, and royalties (Spotify is one of the WORST offenders!) makes matters worse.
Thanks for this uplifting message Guy!
Absolutely love all your videos!!!!!
even without AI people are putting up FREE music on their channels, they are not cinematic master pieces but its good enough for content creators on youtube etc. which is the biggest target audience of the bedroom composer.. I cant imagine what is gonna happen WITH AI, the ''traditional composer'''is not going to be needed within a couple years when it comes to youtube content creators, I think the best thing to do is the become a content creator yourself by showing how you make the music in a entertaining way.
This is exactly what I think!
Created 20 jingles for my stream project and got 5 good ones out of Udio - not only music but more important lyrics that makes sense.
Great thinking…..you will absolutely need to be multi skilled…at being a content creator and at knowing how to get the best out of AI….if you arn’t doing it then everybody else will be!!
Fascinating video Guy, really informative and helpful. Thanks for bringing this to us novices.
Mind 6:03 "that AI at ITS CURRENT STATE cannot fully replicate". There's a danger, maybe.
I'm not afraid of AI. Medieval transcribers hated Gutenberg's press invention, in the same way the graphic designers hated Photoshop and so on. Have they lost their jobs? no. Only it was reset in another form.
Musicians hated MIDI when it was invented, and orchestral players hated mellotron and samplers. Have they lost their jobs? No.
And so it will be this time too.
Not to mention the fact that some AI-generated music seems much better to me than a lot of music written by real musicians these days... 🙂
I've been able to get from UDIO songs in 1974 style and various genres: symphonic prog, pop rock, Philly soul... and fantasy soundtracks, italian music, renaissance madrigals and a fake Fab Four song too!
It all depends on what we write in the prompt: for instance, "music for kids" will not work, but break down the text into multiple subsets will do.
I mean: "easy", "catchy", "acoustic", "joyful", "folk" (if any), "nursery rhyme", also telling the instruments: recorders, marimba, accordion, bassoon, clarinet, glockenspiel and so on, if you will, even the reference year. Writing for instance "1975" will prevent all heavy synt dance, hip hop and metal.
You can even write "lyrics about (whatever you like)". I have songs about a love story between a pencil and an eraser gum, or about a fish desiring to fly to the Moon, and so on.
@@Imhotephp I comprehend, instead. But you can't stop the wind with your hands, as an italian proverb tells. So, the best (and only) way to deal with the situation is not to oppose AI, but to learn about it in order to use it to our advantage. AI is a tool, in itself it is neither good nor bad. I assure you: graphic designers were REALLY angry when Photoshop replaced airbrush and things like that... I remember well, I was one of them and I knew plenty.
The scribes may not have been happy but there was nothing they could do about it.
@@Imhotephp AI will NEVER replace people. New tecnologies has never done. There are more farmers now that there is the mechanical seeder than when everything was done by hand.
And mechanics work better now than 50 years ago.
It depends on how we use it to our advantage, as we have always done in human history. That's all.
@@Imhotephp Yawn.
@@Imhotephp The only argument that a troll would comprehend. Regards, and please go trolling elsewhere. Bye.
@@spriggan3935 There is only one troll here, and it isn't him...Christian Henson has ALREADY been replaced - and he isn't just anybody, I would assume that you know.
So much "Doom" speech about AI in the music idustry and like you said everyone preachs it. On the flip side is Guy. A reason to like this channel is for the education and the reason to love it is for the continuous positivity that he shows.
@@krryalln reality is reality….being positive will not help when A.I. is doing your job
AI is already threatening the livelihood of many composers. A lot of musicians earn money by doing corporate music (or equivalent) and it allows them to finance their own project.
@@Etienne.6329 what about voice over artists as well….audio books etc etc….presentations….translations etc etc
Guy....have you ever done video on your MOST USED samples for EVERY instrument...
ie. favorite Oboe, fav. Flute, etc. fav. Legato violins, solo VIOLA, Celli, Cymbal rolls....
I've heard this whole debate many times before. "It'll kill creativity. It'll put real musicians out of work." Etc, etc.
The same things were said when synthesizers became affordable and popular.
The same things were said when MIDI became widespread.
More recently, the same things were said when software orchestras came along.
While it could be argued that to some extent that did happen with the tools mentioned above, it could also be argued that a whole big bunch of new music happened BECAUSE of those tools. I myself create new music using BBCSO Core (a software orchestra). That music would not have happened AT ALL without software orchestras. I enjoy hearing new music that other composers have created using software orchestras. I also create new music using synthesizers I own, and MIDI. This music would not have existed at all without those tools.
So I'm rather on the fence about all this AI business. Yes, it could do a lot of harm. But I'm open to the possibility that it could also do some good, too. It won't affect me much. I'm just going to carry on composing using the tools I already have.
Except all those things you mentioned don’t compose music. AI does. With all those things you need to compose music and perform it with those tools. With AI you are not needed. Even a random prompt would create quite enjoyable music.
If you’re doing it for the love of music then more power to you….if you’re trying to make money from your music then everything you mentioned above…midi, sample libraries, controller keyboard, synths etc etc will be utterly redundant within three years!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds The only money I make from music is playing in a local covers band. I've long ago accepted that I live in the wrong part of the wrong country on the wrong side of the world to earn a living from music, plus I'm also the wrong side of sixty. But again, the sort of predictions you were making, they've been made many times before. So we'll just have to wait and see.
@@CraigRodmellMusic Very true about the predictions.....but this is happening as we speak.....i don't want it to be happening but i do think people are literally pretending it isn't happening and are in for a huge shock as i have been over the last week as i have heard some stunning AI music!
@@eriong.7446 That would be correct, if I did it for a living. But I don't. AI won't be going anywhere near my gear in the forseeable future.
Thank you Guy , for what -at this point - I believe is the most accurate and realistic prediction on the matter :)
9:10 they basically said "oh so you want a song by Scooter"
I have do disagree... AI is the road to composer destruction... and sabotage the true human creativity, and only create a bigger mess for those of us who work hard to produce a great genuine music melody tune and produce... Thanks for all you do!
Would tweak it a bit: Misunderstanding and misuse of AI is the road to composer destruction. The real danger is the human 'intelligence' (or lack of it) when it comes to understanding the tool, its limitations, its actual uses etc. In the same way that people wanted to (and did) use magnets, electricity, X-rays for everything (even when they damaged the body with it), people are now using AI in fundamentally wrong directions and with fundamental misunderstandings about these particular systems that are so hyped.
It is the road to the destruction of human creativity.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian The same was said for digital darkrooms, chiefly Photoshop and its novel algorithms that nullified weeks of dark room shenanigans. Sure, AI is scarier because it seems to produce text that makes sense to us, pictures that make some sense (when we eliminate its monumental blunders that a 3 year old child would not do, e.g. fundamental spatial relationships not grasped by AI at all), music that seems 'good enough' for some bland soulless commercial video and such. Only we, as humans, could do these so far. But... if we think that all human creativity will die because some humans don't demand proper artistic output, if we think humans stop wanting actual creativity and its results, then yes, event his rudimentary and shockingly crap AI (wiht no actual intelligence and a huge step back from AI systems of 40+ years ago) will be the end of human creativity. But... based on human history and disruptive inventions, I don't think humans will simply become mindless bland music consumers - well, many do that and they put up with incredibly bland human compositions. For them, AI will be cheaper, easier, faster. But never ever in our history the development of actual art forms was dictated by this subset of audiences. AI may change many things over coming many years - but the key factor is whether humans become so soulless and dumb to ONLY want that kind of self-imitating regurgitative AI output.
@@LeventeZone I hope you are right but considering the speed with which AI has come this far, in a few years a person with zero musical/literary/etc., knowledge will type or say: "write me a symphony/novel/etc., in the style of Beethoven/Dickens/etc." and AI will poop symphonies/novels/etc., doing that through stealing centuries long hard work of artists without their consent. This will happen if artists also are tempted by AI, gradually becoming lazier and lazier, which will render all artists dead or living irrelevant and by depriving us of creativity will turn humans into cucumbers.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian Yes, the real danger is the humans' expectations, perceptions, etc. In the 1950s the Illiac Suite was a phenomenal string quartet composed by the ILLIAC computer, based on stochastic models and lots of human parametric constraints. It is highly listenable - but remained a curiosity. People still flock to listen human expression. So let's see, but the current danger is that some in key places attribute far more to these AI systems and their output than what those represent or deserve. IT has always been the case in human history with every new disruptive invention, but this scares us more because it produces things we perceive as made by some mind behind it. But there isn't one yet as it has zero understanding of the task and its own output - if that is accepted by humans as good music or 'good enough', then that is a major danger.
AI may not, but Guy is totally nailing it in this video!! What a joy to watch 💯
AI has already killed great part of the photography and illustration industry (the part produced by creative people I mean)
It will be exactly the same with Music…
Totally agree….to think anything else would be madness
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Agreed.
Nah, music is a different thing.
@@omnipop4936 let’s talk in 6 months 😂😂😂 art was apparently a different thing three years ago! 😂
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Are you an ai engineer?
i agree 100% with you (and surprisingly with Chat GPT). My view is that at the moment AI music stands in the same relationship to real music as video game sports do to real sports - a genius simulation that can be valid & enjoyable in its own right, but definitely not a replacement. Give it a few years though and who knows...
I just got back from Soundtrack Cologne, a big industry conference for film composers in Germany. The entire theme of the conference was AI. I was really surprised because, at least to my ears, I haven't seen a single AI tool that is ready to actually be used by the industry. Even if you ignore the insane fact that companies are training on artists without their consent, the quality of the output is just... really bad?
Will it be in 5 years? 3 years? 6 months? Did you think whats possible now was even on the horizon 5 years ago?
“Training on artists without their consent”
Sure, let’s sue Travis and Keane for sounding like Coldplay after listening to Coldplay a lot! 😂😂😂
@@magicmulder spot on!!….AI is just copying things and knocking out amalgamated pieces of music from those it has internalised (the history of music)…. And when we compose that’s essentially what we’re doing! And if somebody wants to argue that their muse is the ether and the melody came to them that way, then it was never created by them anyway in the first place…..it was gifted to them….in the just the same way AI does
@@magicmulder When artists are inspired by others, how do they get that inspiration? They buy cds, tapes, vinyls, they stream them on Spotify or listen to them on the radio. They buy concert tickets and go see them live. They even buy sheet music to learn that music. Artists are still remunerated, even indirectly. How does AI do any of this? It scrapes the entire history of recorded music for free then re synthesises it while paying the artists zero, let alone asking for consent.
That AI music which has zero human authorship behind it now competes and eats into the finite royalty pool of streaming.
This idiotic comparison that AI is just what humans do is tired and not even correct.
@@SC-ew2fc and yet humans are already choosing AI music over music created by a human for films, games and media…..right, wrong and how it does it is utterly indifferent to the fact it’s happening!
You can put all of your arguments against it to producers in the future who can either pay you or have AI create music for their film for free and nobody will be able to tell the difference….I’m sure he’ll be all ears to how tired and idiotic the whole thing is and the abuse of humanity! 😂
Well spoken ❤
A former bandmate of mine has released 50 albums (not songs!!) of AI generated music in the past 10 months. It won't kill the music industry it will just stifle originality!
Let’s say I get a media composing brief, try a few AI prompts, and then totally re-record the output, maybe making a few tweaks and improvements. What’s the legal/copyright situation there?
As it stands right now there is no problem….what would be the point of using it if there was?
Bless you Mr. Michelmore.
I'll take "telling you what you want to hear" for 500, Alex.
Talking points indeed
AI (by which we mean deep learning neural networks) come in two branches. Those like ChatGPT which are essentially giant encyclopedias augmented by state-of-the art Natural Language Processing plus a few specialised party tricks. Then there are those like Google's Alpha Zero that can learn to do one thing at a time (meaning pretty much any one thing) way beyond human capability, for example, to play chess at least 25% better than the current world chess champion Magnus Carlson.
AIs like ChatGPT can produce music along the lines of "write me a song X about Y in the style of Z". What comes out will be purely derivative and most often sound "canned". Such Ai's will be very good at writing elevator music for example. So shake in your shoes if you earn your crust writing elevator music.
AIs like Alpha Zero, AFAIK, have not yet been tasked with learning how to write music. I'm pretty sure Google hasn't tried to do this with Alpha Zero yet. However if they did it might be a game changer. What they might do is give it a crash course in music theory and a few styles/genres to concentrate on then plug it into various music streaming services (Spotify, Pond5, Splice etc). Then tell it to start writing/producing. It's self learning can be based around feeding it streams/download data for it's tracks from the services it's plugged into. It will quickly start to figure out what works and what doesn't. A *lot* faster and more accurately than any human could. Furthermore it would start to create it's own styles and even genres, it would not be limited to aping existing genres.
My guess is it would start to make an impact on Splice first, then Pond5 and maybe sometime later it might start getting streams on Spotify. If it did then that's the time to panic. It's possible Google might not want Alpha Zero to do this on the basis it would be totally uncool to do so, i.e. that's why this potentially existential threat to composers/songwriters hasn't materialised yet.
In any event the one thing Alpha Zero will not able to do is to play guitars, pianos, horns, flutes, proper drums etc better than humans can as anyone who has tried to program such instruments as VSTs in MIDI already knows (and why Guy never programs his stuff in MIDI, owns a bunch of guitars etc, plays in everything on his keyboard). ChatGPT actually made this point tangentially during Guy's interview with it. For this reason I would say the folks most at risk from AIs like Alpha Zero are those who make electronica, especially electronic dance music.
The whole Spotify library has already been used to trained the AI that is currently available!!…..and you can probably bet your bottom dollar everything on TH-cam. as well!!…it’s too late….AI has already ‘heard’ virtually every piece of music in history and has been trained on it….the time to panic has been and gone!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds No doubt, but as explained all that does is enable an AI to write derivative music without being able to actually play instruments. To give an example, it would be like starting a band trying to copy AC/DC's style without being able to play guitar as well as Angus Young can. The result will generate nothing more than a passing interest if that. Why would anybody bother listening to you over the original.
What folks are really interested in is new music, not derivative music. An AI can't come up with new music by copying existing music. So analyzing existing music on Spotify will not get it to the top of the charts.
That doesn't mean AI can't in principle create good new music, but it does mean it has to train in a different way. In this case just like a human musician trains. You try stuff and you see if folks like it. If they don't you try something else. If you strike lucky then you double down on it and go on from there.
@@Gregorovitch144 I would have agreed with you up until a few days ago when I heard one of the many ai oasis generated songs……and my heart sank as I realised it was better than anything the Gallagher brothers have produce individually since the band split up and was potentially one of the best songs I had heard that they ever never even created!! The production was 1st class and I swear if you ever knew it was AI and I told you they had got back together and released it you would have never questioned it! Everything was great….the chord structure, the song structure, the instruments, the arrangement, the vocal was perfect (no artifacts)…..and this is now! Give it 5 years and AI will write better songs than we can …..it’s the only logical conclusion!! I would ask you this…..do you think in a few years time if you were to hear a song you thought was by a given band and you loved would you be confident enough to announce if it was actually written and sang by the band or if it was AI?!!
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Do you mean "Aisis - Oasis AI"? I just listened to some of it. Then some of Definitely Maybe.
a) it's not all AI - "An AI technology as well as music made from the short lived band called Breezer was used to recreate the voice of singer Liam Gallagher and an album called The Lost Tapes Vol 1". It's essentially a loop mash construction. Very clever but that's all it is, clever.
b) the production is awful, swimming in mud. You can't hear vocals properly or understand the lyrics (which is possibly a blessing). The guitars are just weird, they don't sound real to me. Overall it sounds like Oasis on a bad night recorded on a cheap cassette recorder.
c) Other than out of passing curiosity of what AI can do in terms of copying an artist's style and sound there is no reason whatsoever to play this instead of Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. Playing either after Aisis is like the sun suddenly coming out and the world turning technicolor from grey.
In short I would wager a tidy sum that Aisis will fail to out-stream Definitely Maybe on Spotify.
@@Gregorovitch144 no I didn’t mean that….that was done nearly two years ago with the earliest vocal replacement models available….and that was obviously using somebody else’s vocal as a template and the rest of the music was recorded by an actual band so the sound quality and production was down to them…..try one from this last week called oasis lost in the clouds Ai and tell me that ‘Liams’ voice especially doesn’t sound utterly legit….and that the song itself isn’t incredibly catchy and acceptable as a b side or a studio performance…..the only human input was the lyrics which are probably the weakest element…..and remember….this is all created by AI….no voice replacement…..and please be honest with your response because this track literally changed my opinion on AI….and then tell me if you thought this would have been possible 5 years ago and how good you honestly think it will sound in 5 years
The fear of AI in music composition is multifaceted, involving concerns about efficiency, quality, cultural impact, and the potential for a homogenized musical landscape. The real challenge lies in ensuring that AI serves as a complement to human creativity rather than a replacement, and that young people's musical tastes are nurtured to appreciate a broad spectrum of quality and innovation.
dream on!
Billy the banana was interrupted by a TH-cam ad with music sounding just like Billy the banana… spooky.
And the TH-cam ad music was created by AI as well…..nothing to see here folks!! 😂😂
I would love to see you take the Banana udio song, dissect a few promising chords, lyrics, and any other ideas in there, and create your own “proper” work using your skills. Then compare the two! Job done?
It will simply be a case of demand. We will be listening to AI compositions and productions in wonder and awe. There will be purists who will stick to the organic productions, yet when a/b tested, they will not be able to discern which is human and which is AI.
No-one, even those with first hand experience of the cutting edge of AI are prepared for what AI is bringing to the human experience.
Compositions will be video to music as text prompt to image is now!
There simply will not be the demand for human composers when a film score can be written by AI in less time it takes a human to view the full film!
I like your optimism!
Totally agree!!….at last somebody that can see that the limitations of AI as we speak won’t be limitations for very long…..we have to remember there is a lot of competition to improve AI as fast as possible here as well!!….udio and suno for example! And there is a ton of money being ploughed into A.I. as well……now when was the last time mankind had to make something impossible happen that involved competition to do it and limitless funds??…..oh yes when we were trying to get to the moon!!!……and that impossibility was overcome…..amazing music being created by AI and not by a human impossible?!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!
I really appreciate you making this video. Thank you, dropped a subscription! 💯🎵 #MUSIC4LIFE
“There is no AI police coming to your door” - sure, but so much music is being generated and going unheard by you every day that the chances of writing a melody even with the matching harmonies that an AI has already written is going to be pretty high, so that might raise some questions….
Guy, you should hear the things I’ve had Udio do. I think it would shock people. French High Baroque choral music with fluent French singers, Afro Cuban music with fluent Spanish and keys and guitar breaks, Scandinavian Folk ballads, Chinese folk music in fluent Chinese and Japanese City Pop. With the right prompt it can do nearly anything and indistinguishable from a human band. Neural Net Theater is what I call it one here. You should hear it for yourself. The music videos are all Ai generated clips I edited together as well.
Yeah, yeah….. but like guy says, what happens if they use your tunes in a porn movie ?? 😂
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Then I get paid very well if I allow it I suppose lol? See I found a way to copyright it. So if they do that I get paid just like any other gig. Really it would do me a favor if they did. I could use some extra change at the moment. Licensing is quite the industry if you know what you are doing.
At 6:03, AI states "at its current stage cannot fully replicate." Eventually, it is believed AI will be able to do that. However, in the future when AI can write novels and full-length scores, there will be a movement among (hopefully many) humans to boycott AI created art in order to preserve the human experience.
I personally suspect that one of the first forms of music AI will master is the ostinato given it's arguably the easiest with which to write music. Some advice AI left out, is to consider composing free of a DAW at times. It will be harder for AI to master pencil paper before a computer. Some of my best themes have come about working it out in my head and on paper. Just something to consider.
I also expect that since the industry side of film is all about saving costs given lower ticket sales, and since music is usually an afterthought, it will be one of the first stages of the process to save further money by incorporating music created through AI.
To end on a more positive note, Guy is right - no one can take away your love for it. Keep writing.
I want to add that I think you did a great job tackling this subject, Guy. It's a big one!
Guy, what You think about "Noire - Nils Frahm's concert grand piano" ? Can You make a review about this piano?
Thank You!
Great! Thank you Guy. ❤
I wonder if music, like books will become the prized nectar it once was with a much smaller and more dedicated audience? Much like 40s Jazz, or musichall performances or antiques. Almost coattage industry? In a way I wouldn't mind that. Id rather have one person who really likes my work than 2000 who are just using it like a tin of beans. Naive? hmm. As a matter of interest, I tested a Music generator by inputting a description for something unusual that was in my head. It totally and miserably failed to come even remotely close. I was chuffed to bits.
I think AI should be used for smaller things like chord generation, lyric help, mastering etc. Then it's just a suggestion tool.
problem is any abstract/experimental music that sounds unique and took talent and years of work can be simply "trained" and replicated which is cruel
Very helpful video. Thank you
This video shows we have absolutely no inkling of what is coming.
At last! A voice of reason. I totally agree that current AI will enhance many things and can't replace humans. However, the real change will come with AGI.
Best answer ever
Section starting at 2:20 once again highlights some crucial points about ai music, which I've personally mentioned several times on various channels: ai can produce music that sounds "cool" or "impressive" with not much more than a single prompt, with recent models it can even deliver complete songs this way, but it can't grasp rich and complex human emotions and express them through music. That's quite a difference.
A good example is chat robots. I've worked a lot with ai lyrics, and if you simply ask for a set of lyrics, youl'll get something that - when read out - resembles the sound of somebody reading out a shopping list or bulletin board. Short statements and points, listed one by one, often with lines using the exact same number of syllables every time, with each line divided by a comma around the middle. The sound of this is incredibly mechanical and lifeless, and if used in a song, the result will be equally horrid.
But that doesn't mean that ai can't be used to help write good lyrics... the key word here is "help", if effort is put into it, you can work together with the ai in a process leading to a meaningful lyric. By asking for all sorts of modifications, explaining what you're trying to express, and the emotions involved... you can eventually get there.
And when the time comes to apply these lyrics to music, it's the same thing again. Even good lyrics will sound "dead" without human guidance, investment and perseverance. Creating a good song takes work, it's just that with ai, the process can be much shorter.
So anybody serious about composing/songwriting will not be "threatened by ai"... muzak-writers, on the other hand - they are the ones who should worry. Music is art, and true art requires you to invest yourself... if you're not willing to do that, then tough luck, your days of moneymaking through soulless music are probably over. If your songwriting is robotic, then actual robots are now better at it than you.
That is not to say, that music will be forever a closed chapter for you. Should you decide, that you're willing to invest some of yourself, then you can learn, and your existing technical skills from your muzak-past would come in handy.
Ai music CAN be soulful, but it is up to us humans to provide that soul and infuse it into our songs. I really like the closing statements of the video, that composers should rise to the challenge and invest themselves, and if they do, the result will be better music, for the benefit of us all.
Hi Guy. Do you ever review the works of followers?
If so, I'd love your feedback on an idea I followed through to completion.
Ai will definitely replace a lot of music producers who are not skilled at music production, composing maybe mixing and mastering, but for those who are truly passionate and really love music, it will be far difficult for Ai to replace us.
Guy is conflicted here. He wants to portray the viewpoint that AI will likely have minimal impact on students considering paying for classes and advanced degrees through his ThinkSpace Education business which depends upon large numbers of wannabe composers who might typically get jobs after graduating as composer assistants - the low hanging fruit that many commenters and acknowledge to be ground zero for AI replacement.
I feel for Guy big time! I really do!!! But we all have to be honest with ourselves now…..and if we are not then the people that want to ignore the facts can’t turn around in 5 years and tell us that nobody told them AI music was going to get this good and that they can’t compete with it!! The whole ‘A.I. will never be good enough to replace humans when it comes to music argument is frankly hilarious……it is already replacing very experienced media composers in the industry….and to think things are going to slow down is just crazy!!
I would have loved to hear what would have been produced by the AI if guy had shown us maybe 5 regenerations of the music for the kids show he was trying to create in the video…..I think if he had and had used better prompts there would have something far more fitting created within seconds
@@Mosesranthemetresinarcseconds Couldn't resist seeing what I could get out of UDIO on the Billy Banana thing. Took 12 generations (i.e.6 creates x 2 tracks) to get something vaguely acceptable. Prompt was kids music, nursery rhyme, 1976, happy, playful, child vocalist, quirky, song about a character called Billy Banana who has lots of friends who are fruits.
The '1976' was to stop it generating anything based on modern pop, as it did for Guy, and which is very common for UDIO if you don't constrain it.
AI generated lyrics were:
He's Billy Banana (WOO HOO!)
With a smile from ear to ear
Billy loves his fruit friends
And they all bring cheer (hooray!)
[Chorus]
There’s Andy Apple, Perry Pear
Lucy Lemon, they’re all there
I really liked the alliterative names it generated in the chorus.
@@richardpluck6658 yep, excellent stuff!…..and with a little more tweak ability and more elaborate prompting ability which is so obviously around the corner how much blood sweat and tears would it take to get something that’s literally perfect!! If we are honest with ourselves!……guy wouldn’t have finished his morning coffee before it was nailed!!…..I appreciate my attitude is very polar but I think it’s really more unfair to encourage people to take years out of their life to learn skills for a job that we know in all honest won’t exist….it certainly won’t exist in a capacity that somebody will be able to feed a family from their earnings….apart from maybe the cream of the top of promoters maybe…..but also remember…..producers and directors will also be learning how to use AI as well…..and their skill with prompting might be as good as pretty much anybody else!!
"Chat-GPT, good morning!"...
What a gentleman!)
These responses are written by people, it's as clear as day :) Many creative people will be making much less for sure because of AI. It's already happening. Just be ready to adapt and change your specialty, if needed within next 5-10 years. You still can do creative stuff as a hobby though, no problems with that :)
Have you seen the recent Gladiator 2 trailer? Do you really think the quality original music is so important for entertainment makers?
What!? There making another GladHeAteHer movie? (Time to look it up)
Nice video. But how on earth can we make sure, that people dont upload and register their AI music with PROs unless there's some kind of watermark system that makes it absolutely clear that it was created with AI?
Why would you prevent it if they did in fact write it? That’s like saying “we need a system to ensure no one who uses sound libraries or DAWs is allowed to secure their rights”. It’s not so black and white. If someone writes the lyrics it’s “their song” just like any other method of composing. A person could compose and write everything and simply use ai to perform the vocals. Again just like any sound library or instrument, it’s still their original work.