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@@AtheismF7W I still can't get over the fact that BB and Ocelot casually discuss about putting the entire hospital in the line of fire in the "Truth" tapes. That's fucked up.
The fact that Venom Snake could legit be any MSF soldier in Peace Walker that had a very high combat and medical rating makes his character just that much more awesome.
@@MechaSalesman Yeah it just blew my mind, you might have heard the theory about all the previous games being a simulation so this really ties things up. This is why i consider MGS to be the more than just a game, it's an experience like no other.
I understand what my dad went thru with that mental training.....18 years I've been a part of the same type of training....NAKED...and my dad AHAB/VENOM SNAKE.....18 years....all within me...I am the last remaining HEIR...to the title of BIG BOSS...you can call me KENSHi...KENSHi TORAOKAMi....aka SAVED SNAKE....we will be waiting for YOU...in OuTr HeViN...( ' .*)7
Just like the Boss, history will never look at Venom as the hero, but underneath it all, he was a good person, but as a copy of Big Boss, every mistake that Big Boss made, venom suffered for. He's possibly the greatest Soldier in human history. Gotta love how subtle yet deep his character is.
I think a lot of people missed that amidst the hype over playing as a fallen BB, but that's exactly what made this project so interesting. Turns out if you view his story as covering at least 3 different games like the other Snakes, it becomes a lot more interesting.
Venom thought he was BB. He lived as though he was 'the legend', bravely carrying that mantle. That makes him better than Naked Snake aka Fake Snake who had all his shit cleaned up after him (XOF) and a fake legend moulded around him (Taking down the Boss who pretty much let him win and wasn't even a real traitor).
@@kyledonnelly1521 I am a bit biased but yeah..... I'm still all about my boy Solid though. He wa cloned using the recessive genes, had no parents and grew up to become a legend in his own right and took down everything the patriots built with just a nerd sidekick and cyborg foot ninja
@@laughingkars889 haha well of the entire cast including Venom. Solid is the only true hero. Venom is a victim. The boss was a martyr. Naked was a puppet. But Solid, he did it because he wanted to. Whenever he was being manipulated he didn't just focus on the mission, he resented the people he worked for, hated killing, took all the responsibility of the mission on his own soldiers unlike dad who was comfortable recruiting grunts and making phantoms, Solids only manipulated copy Raiden he spends his time helping and inspiring him to be his own person. He doesn't care about politics or the bigger picture he just stays in the moment and resents no one. He's a straight talker too, doesn't do fake nice, hes insanely smart just absorbs and dishes out knowledge. Everytime he delivers a speech it's usually pure gold. Venom is awesome, as like say a warrior, but he is a victim but eventually he gives up his identity by choice because he idolised the lie. He winds up building a nuclear arsenal and becomes the bad guy there's no escaping that. He's got a good a noble core, a merciful side but his other half didn't, it's only fate a superior copy would beat him one on one. Solid was always supposed to be better, not just at war but at everything. Sorry, I adore Solid lol there is no equal character in fiction.
Having that one specific MSF soldier being Venom is very cool, and having him part of MSF since the beginning being trained by Big Boss from the young recruit to the hardened medic we see him as later.
I felt that, although perhaps not quite as deliberately, there was actually a story to tell about this specific man who played the role for the man behind the curtain, and wanted to make that connection more clear. The theory that this guy was Venom has circulated before, and there was a tiny bit of evidence for it, so why not?
There's Tons of Hints throughout the game I think that he isn't the real big Boss hell even his face doesn't look 100% like his features I mean look at his beard it looks planted on his face
@Aiden Schneider Venom's CQC is not rookie at all even compared to Big Boss's. Venom's CQC is fast and brutal. I believe you've seen how Venom throws his enemy, take out enemy with one punch.
@Garland846 Big Boss is a grappler, we see that in MGS3 during his fights with the Ocelot unit and GRU soldiers, and in GZ as you mentioned, his moves are much more fluid and rely on his opponents bodyweight. Venom's CQC is more of an onslaught of precision strikes and sheer force using his own bodyweight, i.e when he does the running punch with the bionic arm, even his CQC slam, his leg moves up and he pushes his opponent down by the head in order to obtain maximum speed.
My very first MGS game was Peace Walker. In that game, I literally spent hundreds of hours building up Militiers Sans Frontiers, I especially liked collecting strong soldiers and then playing tough missions as them. Then when Ground Zeroes came out, I found out MSF is destroyed. I was genuinely pissed and upset. All my work, all my staff, the place I spent so much time, gone. Going into the Phantom Pain I resonated greatly with the themes of loss, and finding out Venom is the best MSF had for me validates the time I spent and how upset I was. Because Venom is the embodiment of that loss very literally, I even played as him in Peace Walker! Now he's torn apart, physically and mentally, a truly haunted man forced to bear the burden of that phantom pain, just like me. Thanks for making this, I really like it.
Venom is a symbol of the strength you built, and Outer Heaven is 'his' legacy just as much as it is Naked Snake's. In the end, the legend of Big Boss was too big for just one man.
@@awangnabil4687 I only played Snake Eater, Revengeance and Phantom Pain. Metal Gear Solid 3 was the first game in the franchise that I played on my ps2.
I still feel robbed of what MGSV could have been, it should have included Venom's last few moments, as a departure from the series and pretty much our own persona from the series, it would have been great to see our demise to the hands of young Solid Snake in-game, would have cried seeing that happen as it would have truly signified the ending of the saga.
I agree. While it technically did fill the gap in the series, I still wonder what would have happened if Kojima was able to finish the title more properly. Perhaps even he never would've done this (he certainly never would've used Hayter, tragically), but that's why I tried to do it here now.
I feel robbed that we didn't get the real story of big boss creating outer heaven and instead follow some medic with a pretentious plot all for the sake of a twist that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things along with several unnecessary retcons.
A place where soldiers are respected. A place where soldiers don't fight for some flag. A place where soldiers fight for their brothers. An army without a nation. Outer Heaven.
What Venom did show was that, he was hypercompetent, even surpassing Big Boss in term of Combat prowess. Almost all of Big Boss's legend and achievement were mostly done by Venom post-Ground Zero till Intrude N131. He deserved that Title of Big Boss Meanwhile, Naked Snake basically became Cypher 2.0 until MG2.
While I agree with you, we do know the real Big Boss likely is the one who went to rescue Gray Fox (again), sent Naomi back to America, recruited Sniper Wolf, and actually created Outer Heaven the nation (with Venom's help of course). Of course, I suspect the two would often swap places on the battlefield (I doubt Venom ever returned to the States himself), but I don't think Naked Snake stopped fighting himself. He would be Saladin, so to speak (One of the hornless old Venom modes in MGSV is called exactly that.
Nothing Venom did in MGSV comes close to surpassing what Big Boss did in MGS3 and PW. Not even close, its bizarre you'd even try and get away with saying this. His missions were miniature versions of what Big Boss did in MGS3 and PW. Big Boss took out the entire Cobra Unit, The Boss, and a fuck ton of mechs, APCs and attack choppers on his own. Venoms missions were mundane by comparison. Only a fucking MGSV fanboy would try and make BS statements like this. And even after Cenom became the phantom, Big Boss was still fighting. He was fighting in ethnic conflicts all over Africa with Gray Fox while Venom ran Diamond Dogs, all whilst building the true Outer Heaven in South Africa. Big Boss lived to fight, he just had bigger priorities than fucking bitch ass skull fave and his lame plan to eliminate the English language
Venom snake is hated just for Not being big boss or one of his clones, But he's Big boss' soldier and they were all family. From the beginning to the end
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Now i did noticed that, the guy from MGS Peace Walker, the guy who called Snake as Vic Boss, is the Venom Snake that was a "clone" of real Big Boss Kojima and his history's . _ .
While I wouldn't say it's confirmed, the signature on the back of the photo was certainly evidence enough to make it plausible, so I went with that theory in this video. I love the idea that Venom was someone you could identify in all 3 games.
@@MechaSalesman vic boss was a name all his men called him, because at the time he didn't want to be called Big Boss. Literally all his men and the sandinistas cheer "Vic boss!! Vic Boss!!" In the communication tower towards the end of PW. I don't think that noob at the start of the game us meant to be Venom
In the end, after realizing his true identity, he wasn't upset at all with the deception. Rather he was honored to help out his fellow boss, the very man he had looked up to during the MSF (Peace Walker) days. Loyal to the end.
I can't say whether or not Outer Heaven committed acts which were good or bad (I guess that depends on how you the player handled DD in MGSV!), but in a sense it can make Venom more heroic than John, who essentially descended into Zero levels of deception. In the end, who was really the demon? That's up to you.
@@MechaSalesman Based on Venom's reaction to the "Man who sold the world" tape, the first thing that popped into his head must have been, "Damn it, Boss, the shit you get me into..." Followed by, "I'm no phantom, I AM Big-goddamn-Boss." What I wonder is... Was the Medic that skilled? Or was it simply the unshakeable belief that he was Big Boss that made him into Naked Snake's equal?
The whole point is that big boss became the very thing he hated. He manipulated venom snake the same way the government manipulated him and the boss. And he let diamond dogs be cannon fodder for cipher and xof.Even though he was against the idea, he still went along with it. That's his downfall.
@@MechaSalesman I feel like if we're to go back in time to when metal gear was first made then outer heaven probably did commit crimes but since kojima created the big boss saga it can be safe to assume that they mostly did good things and that the Patriots just manipulated solid snake.
I prefer it this way; Venom went along at first (the smirk) but eventually got pissed at BB for ruining his life and using him for his own gain and started the Outer heaven uprising to go against him, prompting BB to send Gray fox then Solid to take him down. Venom probably still kept the ruse of being BB to smear his name further, an act of defiance. Finally, BB sends him the Intrude tape as a last “fuck you” and Venom smashes his mirror in disgust for being tricked by BB all those years and allowing himself to be turned into a demon by him.
Venom snake or Ahab is my favorite snake. He deserved so much better. He's such a tragic character. He even came closest to the Boss's will by dismantling all nukes. Making world peace. A good man in a horrible world.
@@kosbusterchannel Only at final stage of developing. I read somewhere that Eli boss battle originally was in the middle of the game - but later missions were scrapped and Mission 51 should have been the ending.
The ending oh my god it gave me chills after bigboss said „let’s finish this“ I know it’s unrealistic to expect a mgsVI like this but it would be a dream coming true. Ty for everything kojima
This made me feel something I cannot describe. My first ever MGS game was 5 and this video made me feel like I have played all the games before (which I wish I did). The game deserved more love... nonetheless amazing video friend!
@@xoxo_dumbgirl2198 How the hell did you two play this game first without being super lost and confused? This is like the last game you should play in the series, this or 4. Thats like starting star wars with 9.
@@skunto No, it's really not. Here's the MGS Series in order : 1964: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (1970: Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops) 1974: Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker 1975: Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes 1984: Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain 1995: Metal Gear 1999: Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake 2005: Metal Gear Solid 2007 - 2009: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 2014: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 2016 - 2018: Metal Gear Rising: Revengance As long as you have a basic understanding of the first 2 (3) video games you'll be fine, which I did.
Ultimately, I felt that while the game didn't give us quite as much narrative for Venom as I would hoped, if you sit back and think about it, he actually has an interesting story and history in the franchise. I wanted this video to show a condensed version of just what that story really looks like across the timeline.
And in the end he betrayed a man that preffered to spare the lives of the soldiers he faced in the battlefeild...also the animals and children...he also strived to denuclearize the world....so yea...VENOM SNAKE...my dad...is the better man...because even through the HELL of the battlefield he still saw others as human beings and not just obstacles to his own selfish plans and desires.
That final momment.... with that music... with custom voice lines !?.. goosebumps are real my friend.. Thanks for making this video. I can’t stop watching now.
Editing the voice clips was the very first thing I did. If I couldn't get enough clips of Hayter/Sutherland to approximate their MG1 conversation, I might not have made the video. Luckily, it worked.
Awsome detail in the beginning V is the one teaching the rest of the soldiers cqc showing how good he was compared to Big Boss, no wonder they chose him.
Big Boss was the one loyal to war. Venom actually embraced pacifism, evidenced by his nuclear disarmament activities and wish to see the day where "the gun would no longer be needed" - his philosophy actually directly contradicted the real Big Boss's. And had Venom been allowed to continue down his own path his version of Outer Heaven would have differed greatly to the real Big Boss's. But instead he allowed Big Boss to consume him use him as nothing more than an expendable shadow working towards Big Boss's goals, throwing away the last remaining pieces of his original persona. Thus becoming a 'demon' just like the man he served
@@supremeworld87 I don't see it like that. My quote of "Forever LOYAL to the flames of war" goes beyond what you have understanded as it is directly tied to The boss herself. Naked was at the end a slave to war. He was too afraid of ending wars because he saw himself as a weapon, and to evoid this reality, he just wanted a world where wars always existed, thus giving his existence a true meaning. Venom was different, and the thing is, he was the person who shared the biggest similarities with The Boss. They both wanted pacifism, a day where their guns won't be needed anymore. But what truly makes Venom loyal to the flames of war is that just like The Boss did, he remained loyal to the mission. Because that is what good soldiers do, follow orders. Venom could have used his own Outer Heaven against Big Boss real one, to take revenge for the man who sold the world and took everything from him. But he learned a valuable lesson with Skull Face regarding "Revenge". And instead of doing what it was the moral thing to do, betray the man who took everything from him and wanted to drown the world into chaos, he decided to remain loyal to him, as a good soldier. He was forced to become a demon in order to draw the worlds attention towards him and that ultimately ended up being his doom. And that is why Venom was truly *LOYAL* to the flames of war. Because unlike Big Boss, he didn't had the chance of just walk away. Everything was forced upon him and when he had the oportunity to use the power and influence of his name, he remained loyal to the man who stole all from him, because that is what soldiers do. A true soldier, loyal to the end.
@@warchiefvenomn7612 I don't agree with your assessment. He wasnt loyal to the flames of war, not really, because he was a pacifist. Whereas the real Big Boss most certainly was loyal to the flames of war, hence his gravestone Venoms loyalty was to Big Boss. Not to the flames of war Being loyal to the mission is not the same thing as being loyal to the flames of war I'm afraid
@@supremeworld87 But doesn't that make him loyal to it tho? You are saying that Big Boss was all around war, and Venom was loyal to him, so by definition and logic, Venom was loyal to the flames of war regardless if he was a pacifist or not. That is my point. If Naked or the patriots never thought this was the case, i don't see the point in making Venom a tombstone saying he was loyal to the flames of war as we saw in MGS4.
@@warchiefvenomn7612 the tombstone wasnt venoms, it was big boss's. Venom doesn't have a tombstone, this is the whole crux of the twist. That tombstone was erected following the demise of the real big boss in ZL. Venom has no tombstone of his own, everything he did as a phantom became part of the legacy of the true big boss. I'm genuinely confused at why you think that tombstone relates in any way to Venom, a bit part player in Big Boss's legacy
This was awesome. Any fan of the story would wonder at some point if the timelines were different- if Solid came to takedown Venom earlier as a young man instead of old, maybe Venom won that fight and recruited Solid to Outer Heaven. Great series, great game 🎉
It's been nearly 5 years since the Phantom Pain released. I've played it twice since and both times it's absolutely amazing. After watching this, I'm firing it up on Steam for another play-through to take down Skull Face, build Diamond Dogs, let the legend live again.
Yeah, when I started making these, it made me do a deep dive into FOBs and other parts of the game I'd neglected for awhile, and with mods and other tweaks it's still a ton of fun even after 5 years.
I have read the novelizations and the comics and dearly wish that they would do a series focusing on Vic Boss and his Phantom, the games are legendary, but the story, ah the story is what made it the best damn franchise I have ever played.
imagine getting in a bad accident and waking up from a coma with a missing limb and not knowing you are not yourself anymore and you wont find out until someone on a tape tells you
Venom snake or punished snake was virtually Big bosses shield. It was big boss who helped venom snake escape the hospital in the beginning of MGV while disguised as the patient to avoid cypher (the patriots).
Well, he literally took missiles the Patriots meant for Big Boss (since Solid was essentially their proxy in the early years) directly to the face. A shield right to the end.
Kojima pick random NPC from previous MGS series and success make him as the hero we never forget. While Neil Druckman pick random NPC from previous LOU and fail make him as likeable character that we should care. LOL
@@granmastersword The one when you need to find Eli on a island because he has stolen saolentropus and venom cannot see the red due to a hit on his head.
Thank you for making this video about my dad (VENOM SNAKE) names KENSHi...KENSHi TORAOKAMi...aka SAVED SNAKE...the last remaining HEIR to the title of BIG BOSS...we will be waiting for YOU.....in OuTr HeViN...( ' .*)7
I dig Venom Snake. I actually think it’s a cool concept. And it plugs a plot hole. But I’ve erased XOF and Skullface from my head canon. The idea that Big Boss wasn’t such a badass at Operation Snake Eater, but just had another unit sneaking around and protecting him pisses me off. Naked Snake went in, took out every member of the Cobras one by one, killed Volgin like 5 times, destroyed the Shagohod, and defeated the Boss in single combat. Booooooo Except XOF was protecting him without him noticing.
I still have a hard time accepting this game when MGS 1-4 were and still amazing even the portable series. Probably because mgs 5 didn’t feel like a metal gear game?
One thing i dont understand,why some hate big boss and venom ideals? They saved lots of live,naomi,gray fox,and even childs. They fought the patriots who were controling the world. So why they are villains? I played all solids games,but the original i see just some parts
@@MechaSalesman Ah man me too, that's why I thought it was cool of you to provide that visual. The fan legacy of this game burns bright I tell ya, we might see it for real one day
It's subtle, but there. It's not stated who Venom was, but the idea was that he's someone from among who you recruited. Essentially, your best trooper aside from Snake or other named characters.
Part of me refuses to believe that venom would actually lose, he had a wide arsenal consisting of many weapons that solid could only dream of using, that and he had walker gears and d dog could have easily exposed solids position
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I mean. Its great. Who WOULDN'T watch it...
I love how the fandom have gone from rejecting Venom Snake to embracing him completely
that was the konami mind fuck. it took time for most people to truly understand how deep the phantom pain is and how it shows BB's moral downfall.
@@AtheismF7W I still can't get over the fact that BB and Ocelot casually discuss about putting the entire hospital in the line of fire in the "Truth" tapes. That's fucked up.
@NomadicFalcon90 damn, i should probably play that later then! I'm currently like a third way through mgs3.
It took time for them
To realise how fucked in the mind big boss was in this game and how venom suffered from it
Cough.. Raiden... Cough
imagine not having a smiling venom snake as your profile picture
I prefer a smoking one....
I prefere a snake high on crack
I prefer one in space
I'll do you one better
Yes
The fact that Venom Snake could legit be any MSF soldier in Peace Walker that had a very high combat and medical rating makes his character just that much more awesome.
Everyone can be big boss
Well venom was 42 when he went into the coma so a older member like alligator makes sense
"He's experienced all your missions on record..'" - that's actually us playing the games and the reason why we feel phantom pain at the end.
you talking aboput ground zeros now you know
Kojima did deliberately design Venom to be a player self insert, but I never quite considered how that line relates to the idea. You're right.
@@MechaSalesman Yeah it just blew my mind, you might have heard the theory about all the previous games being a simulation so this really ties things up. This is why i consider MGS to be the more than just a game, it's an experience like no other.
I understand what my dad went thru with that mental training.....18 years I've been a part of the same type of training....NAKED...and my dad AHAB/VENOM SNAKE.....18 years....all within me...I am the last remaining HEIR...to the title of BIG BOSS...you can call me KENSHi...KENSHi TORAOKAMi....aka SAVED SNAKE....we will be waiting for YOU...in OuTr HeViN...( ' .*)7
@@quacj2254 lol...just click off the comments...keyboard warrior....now be gone...
Just like the Boss, history will never look at Venom as the hero, but underneath it all, he was a good person, but as a copy of Big Boss, every mistake that Big Boss made, venom suffered for. He's possibly the greatest Soldier in human history. Gotta love how subtle yet deep his character is.
I think a lot of people missed that amidst the hype over playing as a fallen BB, but that's exactly what made this project so interesting. Turns out if you view his story as covering at least 3 different games like the other Snakes, it becomes a lot more interesting.
Venom thought he was BB. He lived as though he was 'the legend', bravely carrying that mantle. That makes him better than Naked Snake aka Fake Snake who had all his shit cleaned up after him (XOF) and a fake legend moulded around him (Taking down the Boss who pretty much let him win and wasn't even a real traitor).
@@laughingkars889 fuck! I never thought of that. Xof did all the work! Jesus Christ man. Venom is a total badass!
@@kyledonnelly1521 I am a bit biased but yeah..... I'm still all about my boy Solid though. He wa cloned using the recessive genes, had no parents and grew up to become a legend in his own right and took down everything the patriots built with just a nerd sidekick and cyborg foot ninja
@@laughingkars889 haha well of the entire cast including Venom. Solid is the only true hero. Venom is a victim. The boss was a martyr. Naked was a puppet. But Solid, he did it because he wanted to. Whenever he was being manipulated he didn't just focus on the mission, he resented the people he worked for, hated killing, took all the responsibility of the mission on his own soldiers unlike dad who was comfortable recruiting grunts and making phantoms, Solids only manipulated copy Raiden he spends his time helping and inspiring him to be his own person. He doesn't care about politics or the bigger picture he just stays in the moment and resents no one. He's a straight talker too, doesn't do fake nice, hes insanely smart just absorbs and dishes out knowledge. Everytime he delivers a speech it's usually pure gold.
Venom is awesome, as like say a warrior, but he is a victim but eventually he gives up his identity by choice because he idolised the lie. He winds up building a nuclear arsenal and becomes the bad guy there's no escaping that. He's got a good a noble core, a merciful side but his other half didn't, it's only fate a superior copy would beat him one on one. Solid was always supposed to be better, not just at war but at everything.
Sorry, I adore Solid lol there is no equal character in fiction.
Having that one specific MSF soldier being Venom is very cool, and having him part of MSF since the beginning being trained by Big Boss from the young recruit to the hardened medic we see him as later.
I felt that, although perhaps not quite as deliberately, there was actually a story to tell about this specific man who played the role for the man behind the curtain, and wanted to make that connection more clear. The theory that this guy was Venom has circulated before, and there was a tiny bit of evidence for it, so why not?
There's Tons of Hints throughout the game I think that he isn't the real big Boss hell even his face doesn't look 100% like his features I mean look at his beard it looks planted on his face
absolutely, because his cqc is almost similar to big boss true cqc but more violent. He smoke cigar too but an electric one.
@Aiden Schneider Venom's CQC is not rookie at all even compared to Big Boss's. Venom's CQC is fast and brutal. I believe you've seen how Venom throws his enemy, take out enemy with one punch.
@Garland846 Big Boss is a grappler, we see that in MGS3 during his fights with the Ocelot unit and GRU soldiers, and in GZ as you mentioned, his moves are much more fluid and rely on his opponents bodyweight. Venom's CQC is more of an onslaught of precision strikes and sheer force using his own bodyweight, i.e when he does the running punch with the bionic arm, even his CQC slam, his leg moves up and he pushes his opponent down by the head in order to obtain maximum speed.
My very first MGS game was Peace Walker. In that game, I literally spent hundreds of hours building up Militiers Sans Frontiers, I especially liked collecting strong soldiers and then playing tough missions as them. Then when Ground Zeroes came out, I found out MSF is destroyed. I was genuinely pissed and upset. All my work, all my staff, the place I spent so much time, gone. Going into the Phantom Pain I resonated greatly with the themes of loss, and finding out Venom is the best MSF had for me validates the time I spent and how upset I was. Because Venom is the embodiment of that loss very literally, I even played as him in Peace Walker! Now he's torn apart, physically and mentally, a truly haunted man forced to bear the burden of that phantom pain, just like me. Thanks for making this, I really like it.
Venom is a symbol of the strength you built, and Outer Heaven is 'his' legacy just as much as it is Naked Snake's.
In the end, the legend of Big Boss was too big for just one man.
I only played 4 and now 5. But damn I feel your emotion reading this!
If you have feelings like this, how do those who were happily killing the soldiers of Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land feel.
@@awangnabil4687 I only played Snake Eater, Revengeance and Phantom Pain. Metal Gear Solid 3 was the first game in the franchise that I played on my ps2.
I really wish they would have ended the game having us play as a young Solid Snake, recreating that NES boss fight.
So do I.
Better ; having us play Venom Snake against Solid Snake, fighting endlessly and obviously failing at the end
@@Darkels9 that would be great
Imagine doing that, and you still play as Venom. But if you kill Solid, you create a time paradox.
@@volteus44 haha, could give us an achievement like in mgs3 killing ocelot
He walked into hell like a soldier and came back an unsung hero
This quote is just too perfect!
He's Also skullface
I still feel robbed of what MGSV could have been, it should have included Venom's last few moments, as a departure from the series and pretty much our own persona from the series, it would have been great to see our demise to the hands of young Solid Snake in-game, would have cried seeing that happen as it would have truly signified the ending of the saga.
I agree. While it technically did fill the gap in the series, I still wonder what would have happened if Kojima was able to finish the title more properly. Perhaps even he never would've done this (he certainly never would've used Hayter, tragically), but that's why I tried to do it here now.
It doesn't help that the concept art of Young Snake actually existed and were suppose to appear in the game.
Does MGSV support mods on PC or something? Is it possible some dedicated people could make a mission like that?
@@punishedchad8733 well side mission is done but custom maps with custom assets are currently getting developed so you can expect some mission mods.
I feel robbed that we didn't get the real story of big boss creating outer heaven and instead follow some medic with a pretentious plot all for the sake of a twist that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things along with several unnecessary retcons.
Big Boss is not a name, it's a title
Anyone can be Big Boss, as long he or she had a will of a Big Boss.
Truth.
“i won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea”
@Danny Chesney “your all diamonds”
@@DeadEyeDiamond you're*
God damn it. Venom Snake can’t use proper English.
@@sna1466 give me a break I'm dead
@@DeadEyeDiamond dw ily
A place where soldiers are respected. A place where soldiers don't fight for some flag. A place where soldiers fight for their brothers. An army without a nation.
Outer Heaven.
This... is Outer Heaven.
May venom rest in outer heaven
that ending was just unbelievable and filled a void in my heart.
Given how much I genuinely like both Hayter and Sutherland, this was what I originally wanted that the game never quite gave me.
Wasn't that what kojima wanted? The Phantom Pain?
XOXO_DumbGirl true, but I think he did that more because Konami wouldn’t let him finish the game.
@@theinfamousbigslurp618 Yeah I have to agree with that
What Venom did show was that, he was hypercompetent, even surpassing Big Boss in term of Combat prowess. Almost all of Big Boss's legend and achievement were mostly done by Venom post-Ground Zero till Intrude N131.
He deserved that Title of Big Boss
Meanwhile, Naked Snake basically became Cypher 2.0 until MG2.
While I agree with you, we do know the real Big Boss likely is the one who went to rescue Gray Fox (again), sent Naomi back to America, recruited Sniper Wolf, and actually created Outer Heaven the nation (with Venom's help of course).
Of course, I suspect the two would often swap places on the battlefield (I doubt Venom ever returned to the States himself), but I don't think Naked Snake stopped fighting himself. He would be Saladin, so to speak (One of the hornless old Venom modes in MGSV is called exactly that.
I remembered the mission called_Operation Intrude N313.
Nothing Venom did in MGSV comes close to surpassing what Big Boss did in MGS3 and PW. Not even close, its bizarre you'd even try and get away with saying this. His missions were miniature versions of what Big Boss did in MGS3 and PW. Big Boss took out the entire Cobra Unit, The Boss, and a fuck ton of mechs, APCs and attack choppers on his own. Venoms missions were mundane by comparison. Only a fucking MGSV fanboy would try and make BS statements like this.
And even after Cenom became the phantom, Big Boss was still fighting. He was fighting in ethnic conflicts all over Africa with Gray Fox while Venom ran Diamond Dogs, all whilst building the true Outer Heaven in South Africa. Big Boss lived to fight, he just had bigger priorities than fucking bitch ass skull fave and his lame plan to eliminate the English language
Benjamin m bro y u so mad
@@supremeworld87 And this is why fanboys kill all the fun.
Thank you my friend, "You're pretty good."
I tried my best to make "the legend come back to life"
@@MechaSalesman No... you, are the legend... You and I have no difference. We are all Big Boss, and one day, there will be no more ashes
Yea...most definitely....Pretty...Good.
I believe that the real Venom snake was the soldier who was training the MSF men at the very beginning of the story
Gustavo Vazquez “real” DOESNT exist
Venom snake is hated just for Not being big boss or one of his clones, But he's Big boss' soldier and they were all family. From the beginning to the end
The dialogue between the two "Snakes" at the end is just *e p i c.*
Well done.
Cheers to the greatest martyr, Venom Snake.
Glad to see people still making MGSV content, especially something as good as this. Keep up the amazing work.
Thank you. Better emulation and a more sophisticated mod scene now allows for much higher quality content across the board, allowing people to make even better looking footage. I used both for this and the other 2 AMVs I made (for Solid and Raiden Respectively)
Now i did noticed that, the guy from MGS Peace Walker, the guy who called Snake as Vic Boss, is the Venom Snake that was a "clone" of real Big Boss
Kojima and his history's . _ .
While I wouldn't say it's confirmed, the signature on the back of the photo was certainly evidence enough to make it plausible, so I went with that theory in this video.
I love the idea that Venom was someone you could identify in all 3 games.
@@MechaSalesman vic boss was a name all his men called him, because at the time he didn't want to be called Big Boss. Literally all his men and the sandinistas cheer "Vic boss!! Vic Boss!!" In the communication tower towards the end of PW. I don't think that noob at the start of the game us meant to be Venom
In the end, after realizing his true identity, he wasn't upset at all with the deception. Rather he was honored to help out his fellow boss, the very man he had looked up to during the MSF (Peace Walker) days. Loyal to the end.
I can't say whether or not Outer Heaven committed acts which were good or bad (I guess that depends on how you the player handled DD in MGSV!), but in a sense it can make Venom more heroic than John, who essentially descended into Zero levels of deception. In the end, who was really the demon? That's up to you.
@@MechaSalesman Based on Venom's reaction to the "Man who sold the world" tape, the first thing that popped into his head must have been, "Damn it, Boss, the shit you get me into..." Followed by, "I'm no phantom, I AM Big-goddamn-Boss."
What I wonder is... Was the Medic that skilled? Or was it simply the unshakeable belief that he was Big Boss that made him into Naked Snake's equal?
The whole point is that big boss became the very thing he hated. He manipulated venom snake the same way the government manipulated him and the boss. And he let diamond dogs be cannon fodder for cipher and xof.Even though he was against the idea, he still went along with it. That's his downfall.
@@MechaSalesman I feel like if we're to go back in time to when metal gear was first made then outer heaven probably did commit crimes but since kojima created the big boss saga it can be safe to assume that they mostly did good things and that the Patriots just manipulated solid snake.
I prefer it this way; Venom went along at first (the smirk) but eventually got pissed at BB for ruining his life and using him for his own gain and started the Outer heaven uprising to go against him, prompting BB to send Gray fox then Solid to take him down. Venom probably still kept the ruse of being BB to smear his name further, an act of defiance. Finally, BB sends him the Intrude tape as a last “fuck you” and Venom smashes his mirror in disgust for being tricked by BB all those years and allowing himself to be turned into a demon by him.
Venom had... A hard life he needs time to rest
I agree
"Boss. Spending too much time in the field is bad for your health, come back to Motherbase for some R&R, and try out my burgers." -Miller
Venom snake or Ahab is my favorite snake. He deserved so much better. He's such a tragic character. He even came closest to the Boss's will by dismantling all nukes. Making world peace. A good man in a horrible world.
He's also skullface, that makes him even more interesting.
@@Boss.X5wdym
@@Boss.X5 No he isn't lmfao. Take your meds
@@DikshitSukhdeep no need to be rude and uncivilized
The end of this video supposed to be in the game.
The comic you mean?
@@Dunarcarn The remake of Metal Gear 1 final battle.
Eli on metal gear also supposed to be in the game as final boss.
@@kosbusterchannel Only at final stage of developing. I read somewhere that Eli boss battle originally was in the middle of the game - but later missions were scrapped and Mission 51 should have been the ending.
MG1 has a rumor to be full remake soon my child.. i hope i still alive when it release
The ending oh my god it gave me chills after bigboss said „let’s finish this“
I know it’s unrealistic to expect a mgsVI like this but it would be a dream coming true. Ty for everything kojima
This made me feel something I cannot describe. My first ever MGS game was 5 and this video made me feel like I have played all the games before (which I wish I did). The game deserved more love... nonetheless amazing video friend!
Same here Phantom Pain made me want to play the others, I actually plan on playing them at some point.
@@xoxo_dumbgirl2198 How the hell did you two play this game first without being super lost and confused? This is like the last game you should play in the series, this or 4. Thats like starting star wars with 9.
@@skunto No, it's really not. Here's the MGS Series in order :
1964: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
(1970: Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops)
1974: Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
1975: Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes
1984: Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain
1995: Metal Gear
1999: Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
2005: Metal Gear Solid
2007 - 2009: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
2014: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
2016 - 2018: Metal Gear Rising: Revengance
As long as you have a basic understanding of the first 2 (3) video games you'll be fine, which I did.
Big Medic > Big Boss
Ultimately, I felt that while the game didn't give us quite as much narrative for Venom as I would hoped, if you sit back and think about it, he actually has an interesting story and history in the franchise.
I wanted this video to show a condensed version of just what that story really looks like across the timeline.
Yea my dad is pretty bad azz huh...
Hell no. Big Boss is the man. Venom is just a pale imitation, even more so than Liquid and Solid
@@supremeworld87 he was the man...until he became just like the corrupt government he was trying so hard to get away from.
And in the end he betrayed a man that preffered to spare the lives of the soldiers he faced in the battlefeild...also the animals and children...he also strived to denuclearize the world....so yea...VENOM SNAKE...my dad...is the better man...because even through the HELL of the battlefield he still saw others as human beings and not just obstacles to his own selfish plans and desires.
,,He always was the best man we had..."
That final momment.... with that music... with custom voice lines !?.. goosebumps are real my friend.. Thanks for making this video. I can’t stop watching now.
Editing the voice clips was the very first thing I did. If I couldn't get enough clips of Hayter/Sutherland to approximate their MG1 conversation, I might not have made the video.
Luckily, it worked.
Awsome detail in the beginning V is the one teaching the rest of the soldiers cqc showing how good he was compared to Big Boss, no wonder they chose him.
Thank you for this. Just an amazing video and tribute to a hero forever loyal to the flames of war.
Big Boss was the one loyal to war. Venom actually embraced pacifism, evidenced by his nuclear disarmament activities and wish to see the day where "the gun would no longer be needed" - his philosophy actually directly contradicted the real Big Boss's. And had Venom been allowed to continue down his own path his version of Outer Heaven would have differed greatly to the real Big Boss's. But instead he allowed Big Boss to consume him use him as nothing more than an expendable shadow working towards Big Boss's goals, throwing away the last remaining pieces of his original persona. Thus becoming a 'demon' just like the man he served
@@supremeworld87
I don't see it like that. My quote of "Forever LOYAL to the flames of war" goes beyond what you have understanded as it is directly tied to The boss herself.
Naked was at the end a slave to war. He was too afraid of ending wars because he saw himself as a weapon, and to evoid this reality, he just wanted a world where wars always existed, thus giving his existence a true meaning.
Venom was different, and the thing is, he was the person who shared the biggest similarities with The Boss. They both wanted pacifism, a day where their guns won't be needed anymore. But what truly makes Venom loyal to the flames of war is that just like The Boss did, he remained loyal to the mission. Because that is what good soldiers do, follow orders.
Venom could have used his own Outer Heaven against Big Boss real one, to take revenge for the man who sold the world and took everything from him. But he learned a valuable lesson with Skull Face regarding "Revenge". And instead of doing what it was the moral thing to do, betray the man who took everything from him and wanted to drown the world into chaos, he decided to remain loyal to him, as a good soldier. He was forced to become a demon in order to draw the worlds attention towards him and that ultimately ended up being his doom.
And that is why Venom was truly *LOYAL* to the flames of war. Because unlike Big Boss, he didn't had the chance of just walk away. Everything was forced upon him and when he had the oportunity to use the power and influence of his name, he remained loyal to the man who stole all from him, because that is what soldiers do. A true soldier, loyal to the end.
@@warchiefvenomn7612 I don't agree with your assessment. He wasnt loyal to the flames of war, not really, because he was a pacifist. Whereas the real Big Boss most certainly was loyal to the flames of war, hence his gravestone
Venoms loyalty was to Big Boss. Not to the flames of war
Being loyal to the mission is not the same thing as being loyal to the flames of war I'm afraid
@@supremeworld87
But doesn't that make him loyal to it tho? You are saying that Big Boss was all around war, and Venom was loyal to him, so by definition and logic, Venom was loyal to the flames of war regardless if he was a pacifist or not. That is my point. If Naked or the patriots never thought this was the case, i don't see the point in making Venom a tombstone saying he was loyal to the flames of war as we saw in MGS4.
@@warchiefvenomn7612 the tombstone wasnt venoms, it was big boss's. Venom doesn't have a tombstone, this is the whole crux of the twist. That tombstone was erected following the demise of the real big boss in ZL. Venom has no tombstone of his own, everything he did as a phantom became part of the legacy of the true big boss.
I'm genuinely confused at why you think that tombstone relates in any way to Venom, a bit part player in Big Boss's legacy
Theme of MGSV: ooAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It gave me chills.
Thank you for watching.
It's kinda cool that Venom Snake could be any of the MSF Soldier we Fulton extracted during Peace Walker.
This was awesome.
Any fan of the story would wonder at some point if the timelines were different- if Solid came to takedown Venom earlier as a young man instead of old, maybe Venom won that fight and recruited Solid to Outer Heaven. Great series, great game 🎉
I think Venom Snake is one of my favorite parts of Metal gear lore so this video was awesome thank you
It's been nearly 5 years since the Phantom Pain released. I've played it twice since and both times it's absolutely amazing. After watching this, I'm firing it up on Steam for another play-through to take down Skull Face, build Diamond Dogs, let the legend live again.
Yeah, when I started making these, it made me do a deep dive into FOBs and other parts of the game I'd neglected for awhile, and with mods and other tweaks it's still a ton of fun even after 5 years.
You're pretty good.
良いセンスだ。
ありがとうございました
I watched the first minute of this clip and already know it will break me by the end.
Here goes nothing
I can only dream about a Metal Gear 2 Remake to see HD Young Snake and Venom being the ABSOLUTE BADASS he is.
5:46 HE HAS NO HORN. INTERESTING. NO shrapnel means he took the revenge for boss
Mashable pretty sure the shrapnel is under the cloth
I have read the novelizations and the comics and dearly wish that they would do a series focusing on Vic Boss and his Phantom, the games are legendary, but the story, ah the story is what made it the best damn franchise I have ever played.
I'm you and you are me
Carry that with you, wherever you go.
0:07 that is solid snake vs venom snake soldiers. Greatness.
This is good! Isn't it?
いいセンスだ
ありがとうございました
imagine getting in a bad accident and waking up from a coma with a missing limb and not knowing you are not yourself anymore and you wont find out until someone on a tape tells you
great tribute
Thank you.
Honestly I think a remake of the FIRST 2 metal gear games would be awesome
May get it if Sony really does buy it from Komoney.
Venom snake or punished snake was virtually Big bosses shield. It was big boss who helped venom snake escape the hospital in the beginning of MGV while disguised as the patient to avoid cypher (the patriots).
Well, he literally took missiles the Patriots meant for Big Boss (since Solid was essentially their proxy in the early years) directly to the face. A shield right to the end.
"Hello, 'Ahab'."
Kojima pick random NPC from previous MGS series and success make him as the hero we never forget.
While Neil Druckman pick random NPC from previous LOU and fail make him as likeable character that we should care. LOL
Venom snake is my favorite tnx for the video great job editing this ❤
Keep it up mate i really impressed with your work!!!!!!!
A shining light to our brothers in arms
One of My New Favorite Edits
This video just make me want to play this beautiful game again !😮 if only we had the final mission !
The one with Venom punching the mirror, like he was mad?
@@granmastersword The one when you need to find Eli on a island because he has stolen saolentropus and venom cannot see the red due to a hit on his head.
@@DJLOG74 Ah
Amazing. I don't have words... that's the best movie. Thank you man
Nice video, good work
He Might Not Be One Of The Real Snakes
But He's a real hero
Even if it’s unfinished, I still loved the story presented to me in the Phantom Pain.
With endless loyalty and love..
もし、小島監督がコナミから退社させられずに、MGSVTPPが完成していたら、どんな物語になっていただろうか？
でも、今の小島監督は独自の作品を作って楽しんでいる。
アフリカでのアウターヘブンの誕生をもっと見たかもしれません。それでも、児島さんの新作も楽しんでいます。
This sent chills down my body
Thank you for making this video about my dad (VENOM SNAKE) names KENSHi...KENSHi TORAOKAMi...aka SAVED SNAKE...the last remaining HEIR to the title of BIG BOSS...we will be waiting for YOU.....in OuTr HeViN...( ' .*)7
I don't know how much you hear this, but I just discovered your channel, and I absolutely love it, especially your MGS edits
Welcome aboard.
この動画凄いけど、この動画のうp主
日本人に対してしっかり日本語に翻訳して返信してるのもすこ
すこは好きって意味です(* 'ᵕ' )
I dig Venom Snake. I actually think it’s a cool concept. And it plugs a plot hole.
But I’ve erased XOF and Skullface from my head canon. The idea that Big Boss wasn’t such a badass at Operation Snake Eater, but just had another unit sneaking around and protecting him pisses me off.
Naked Snake went in, took out every member of the Cobras one by one, killed Volgin like 5 times, destroyed the Shagohod, and defeated the Boss in single combat.
Booooooo
Except XOF was protecting him without him noticing.
I still have a hard time accepting this game when MGS 1-4 were and still amazing even the portable series. Probably because mgs 5 didn’t feel like a metal gear game?
TH-cam's recommended me this video and im here enjoying every second of it 😌♥️
Thank you. I made a series on each main MGS lead now. Please check those out too if you liked this.
@@MechaSalesman on it 🔥♥️
One thing i dont understand,why some hate big boss and venom ideals?
They saved lots of live,naomi,gray fox,and even childs.
They fought the patriots who were controling the world.
So why they are villains? I played all solids games,but the original i see just some parts
this is a masterpiece.
I have not seen that day when Big Boss smiled
The shooting in the back is Solid Snake right?
Yes
Cool video and editing
Big Boss: no government will have command over me.
Awesome 🤘
Seeing these are amazing work thank you
You are very welcome
Fantastic
Très bon montage belle vidéo bien joué 👍👍
That music at the end... I cried
I crie evrytiem!
Greatness
Absolutely loved the ending
I was thrilled the first moment it came together during the edit. I'd wanted to see a version of that ending (for real) since 2013.
@@MechaSalesman Ah man me too, that's why I thought it was cool of you to provide that visual. The fan legacy of this game burns bright I tell ya, we might see it for real one day
It was a long journey.
But it is time to rest. Thank you, my colleagues. For all.
WOW 😭it's ....AMAZING!!👏👏👏👏👏
One thing is how they got a plastic surgeon that good
a squeal "is keeping me waiting,huh"
Epic video
This is amazing
What is the name of the music used near the end during Big Boss vs Solid Snake??
ヴェノム視点のソリッド戦見たかったな
私はその経験を作成するために最善を尽くしました。
Beautiful 👏
HOLY SHIT, I didn't catch the peacewalker connection till now.
It's subtle, but there. It's not stated who Venom was, but the idea was that he's someone from among who you recruited. Essentially, your best trooper aside from Snake or other named characters.
That conversation between solid and venom should have been how it ended
Me after watching this: **immediately googles when Metal Gear Solid 6 is coming out**
Great vídeo!
I Love this video, damn.
Part of me refuses to believe that venom would actually lose, he had a wide arsenal consisting of many weapons that solid could only dream of using, that and he had walker gears and d dog could have easily exposed solids position