Im legitimately suprised you actually decided to go through with it. Especially with a Nationalist Rework coming in the 0.4 update. Still major fucking props good job stak
@thespiritphoenix3798 one of the big critisms with the mod is that even though in our timeline the nationalists had almost no way of winning, the cold war mod ensures this through just giving the communists OP buffs and nationalists horrible debuffs, rather than really giving the player a choice, so it will probably keep the difficulty same in historical, but allow options to help the nationalists for an alt history (I just realise how long and kinda redundant this is, sorry)
Idk, they seemed competent enough. There was no invasion of turkey. What are you going to do against both the Allies, militant locals, and revolutionaries at home? The revolutionaries being the most dangerous one. The best they could have done was side with the allies, wait for Russia to collapse, snip the Caucasus.
I would rather see this, mainly because it’s more fun to watch Stak actually play the game. I think with these “what if” situations that is must actually playable in the game.
What if the Stresa front was successful? (Italy🇮🇹 France🇫🇷 Britain🇬🇧 against Germany🇩🇪 to defend Austria 🇦🇹) Please it's my favorite alternative scenario and there aren't many good videos on it
Probably what happens is Germany is forced to re-align its diplomatic policy. It *might* be possible for Germany to get an alliance with Yugoslavia, as even in our timeline they showed no qualms about allying nations who's peoples were considered "inferior" by nazi ideology. Italy would get several concessions geopolitically. My best guess would have to do something around the Horn of Africa, or perhaps even further concessions with Libya. However, if the right under Pierre Leval is in power, it's entirely possible the French more or less sacrifice the Little Entente for an alliance with Italy, leading in to the backdoor of german realignment in diplomatic policy. I think that Austria is probably doomed no matter what, especially as the German war machine gets going during 1938-1939. My best guess is that it's 1939 Germany incorporates Austria, which may lead into WW2 starting over Austria instead. Of course, this has MASSIVE reprecussions for the alt-Axis war effort, such as germany being massively weaker, and the Allies being significanlty more powerful at the war's outset. Instead of having a WW2 Blitz of France, it might devolve into a rehash of WW1 trench warfare, but with new, more deadly, equipment. Overall, germany gets fuuucked by the Stressa Front, while Italy gets a bunch of stuff for almost free, and France can breathe a sigh of relief dodging the nazi occupation bullet.
playing this in vanilla/RT56 always leads to war w/ Germany, and it's a coin toss as to whether or not France joins. it's pretty fun, but w/o France, it's an uphill (up-mountain) battle to hold off the Germans. usually I do my best to equip as many 9inf as I can and steadily fall back to fortified positions in the Italian Alps. it's an interesting game, I'd love to see Stak give it a shot
@@beanos8024 yea i mean an invasion of Germany by those powers. I would be very interested to know what the peace deal would look like. Would they enforce the Versailles treaty or think that it was too harsh and give more freedom to Germany? Would France annex some territory like the Saar region? And what will happen next to Italy and her allies?
A possibly good What If could be: What if the Warsaw Uprising was Successful (I know realistically the soviets would probably come in and crush them/take over) Just thought it would be kinda cool to learn the possibility of its success.
The Soviets supported the Warsaw Uprising, giving the rebels supplies and a Soviet tank brigade even attempted to enter Warsaw to support them. The big issue is that the uprising followed Bagration, the largest military offensive in human history, and the Soviets were completely out of steam: overextended, undersupplied, and dealing with German and collaborator remnants.
@@piyo744I didn’t do extra research on it so don’t quote me but last time I checked they intentionally let the polish underground forces be crushed so the wouldn’t have opposition to their planned communist regime, militarily Germany had no means to hold of any allied advancement at this point
@@maxthetube8466 This is a commonly repeated myth that most historians don't agree upon. The USSR already had a decently strong collaborator government that could've easily taken control in the aftermath of the Uprising if it succeeded: the governments of the eastern bloc were all _relatively_ popular when they were established, with the Czechoslovak Communist Party outright winning an electoral plurality. They probably wouldn't in Poland, but the USSR had eager and powerful collaborators that could easily rival and outshine the Home Army even if the USSR did support the Uprising more. It wasn't really a question of Germany being able to stop Soviet advances. The Soviet Union literally could not continue advancing. They were overstretched and dealing with resistance in their liberated territories and coming off of the largest land offensive in human history. They did not have the infrastructure, plain and simple, to cross the Vistula: especially because, as the Soviets overextended themselves more and more, German resistance _did_ become stronger: not enough to stop Soviet advances, but enough to probably make it more trouble than it's worth to not build up the necessary infrastructure more and more before launching a better planned, stronger offensive.
@@piyo744 The uprising flew the flag of free poland and was in contact wuth the Polrs fighting under Britain, not the USSR. The communists saw this and some wanted to intervene anyway (enemy of my enemy is friend) and others said no let them die. The former party win out, but only after 3 weeks or so of fighting and by that point most of them were dead already.
Stak, I don't think you give Chiang Kai Chek enough credit. The man knew things like land reform were necessary, but he also knew that engaging in reforms while the chaos of the Chinese Civil War and the 2nd Sino-Japanese War was foolish when he needed to balance the various interests within his government. And of course once the conflicts were over and Chiang started to engage those reforms, you are absolutely right that they would be relatively limited and take place in fits and starts. But Chiang definitely would've done so. The man was no fool. He knew the benefits of land reform, if only in a limited capacity. It can be very difficult to separate the man from the state he governed. China of the 1930s and 40s was horribly backward and corrupt and Chiang knew this needed to be fixed if China was to survive and ultimately thrive. The funny thing about the Communists as compared to the KMT, they didn't need to work within the preexisting system in order to implement reforms, whereas the KMT did.
@@stakuyi Not saying he would maintain power. Also, these desires of his existed well before his exile to Taiwan when he had some pretense of ruling all of China, so his desires wouldn't have changed had he actually unified China (minus Manchuria). Now, whether or not he was actually capable of seeing through his desires on the other hand... *shrugs* it's hard to say. But generally speaking, I think there's a tendency of people to color their outlook of Chiang at a personal level by looking at the state of China paired with the KMT's ultimate loss in the Civil War and say that he must have been incompetent. Now, I think whether or not that's accurate warrants a deeper dive, instead of condemning the man for things that weren't entirely his fault.
@@stakuyi He was actually trying to install democracy into China and avoid civil war; the current ROC's constitution was based on a draft that was agreed upon by the Political Consultative Conference (yes, including CCP) and almost nothing like KMT's version. The national elections were called in December 1947 even though many KMT officials knew that the KMT might not won the election if the CCP actually participated (CCP was holding most of the Northern provinces, KMT only holding some cities and railway in the North), in the end, CCP did not participate and called the election not democratic making KMT the majority party in both the National Congress and Legislative Yuan. KMT knew that they couldn't afford another war after WWII; everything was destroyed, the industrial regions and agricultural regions all burned to the ground plus the USA was focusing on rebuilding Europe instead of Asia, there were just no resources to fight. But for whatever reasons, the USA still believed that the CCP would be siding with the USA if winning the civil war; refusing to support ROC in 1949 after the CCP started the civil war backed by the USSR till the communist regime was formed. I think he did not trust anyone and believed only he could save China after he was forced to step down in 1949 then almost all of mainland China fell into the Communists' hands right after.
@@AzureZodiac this is some bold revisionism, chiang was part of the right wing of the KMT that distruted the left wing since before he couped the party, he himself caused the breakdown of the negotiions, and he was literally kidnaped by his own generals to enter a truce with the CCP to make am united front against the japanese empire. secondly the parties involved in the election were the ones who criticized the election process, in fact, the KMT goverment was imensily unpopular because it was absurdly corrupt and could not maintain order because it's troops were usually the ones intimitading and stealing the population. And lastly, the US was supportive for the ROC from the start, in what world are you living that you think they weren't
Well Italy didn't not honor the the Triple Alliance because AH declared war on Serbia and Russia (not 100% sure if they did declare war on Russia) and Germany declared war on France for a pre-emptive strike against them.
@@A2kry Well my point is that the German empire and Austria-Hungary were the ones declaring war on other powers so at the start of the war they weren't forced to join the war
Hirihito wasn't a puppet, he was a cultural figure who never wanted to lead. McArthur made him repent for letting Tojo run Japan amok He often yelled at tojo for doing stupid things like war in China and war against the US but never exercised his cultural authority to denounce or oust tojo publicly. He probably kept Puyi in Manchukuo on a leash from collaborating as much since his job was to administer only Manchuria as a staging base for further Japanese invasion.
Honestly that had almost no chance of happening 1. Puyi was basically a figurehead and almost had no power although he did still live in luxury but under the japanese 2. That was not the main goal of japan to give back everything to manchukuo 3. Even if he did unite china. At that point majority of chinese people were sick of the dynastic rule especially under the foreign manchus
Winning the civil war is really easy if you just use the cancel retreat trick where you can use ctrl+shift+alt+click to make your retreating divisions attack the enemy. Though your divisions lose all their org and take a beating, once they stop attacking, they don’t rejoin whatever defensive combat they were retreating from until said combat is over, allowing your divisions to recover org in Shanghai when otherwise it would be impossible to do so. I only fell back from the Gobi desert and a few tiles in Anhui to shorten the line, then had 4-9 divisions per tile depending on terrain and attack directions, and 2-3 divisions per tile with the unplanned offensive modifier. Lasting the 50 days necessary is just a matter of watching your lines and cancelling any retreats you see the moment they start.
What if the Allies acutally went for Operation: Unthinkable? As well, unthinkable, as the idea was, i think it would be interesting to think about how it would pan out.
@@mappingshaman5280 I'm aware, but considering what you can make other historic leaders do in this game I wasn't sure how to get them to join the axis.
There's one smart thing I think Chiang Kai Chek could have done to secure a lot of loyalty from the warlords AND improve relations with the west. During the wars leading up to 1949 (you covered this in the history behind the Chinese economic crisis) was that the various warlords paid for their troops and equipment with promisary notes to outside powers (the warlord bonds I think they were called). This was debt that had to be later recognized by the CCP in order to enter the global financial community. What Chang COULD have done was offer to take on the debt of the warlords in lieu of actual cash payments, thus basically bribing them with a clean slate in exchange for loyalty, and not deepening the economic crisis as the state would have had to pay it anyways. This does several things that would help the autocratic government maintain control: 1. The bribes help prop up warlord loyalty because well...they're bribes. 2. centralizing the debt to the state itself probably would significantly boost economic investment because it means that the investors only have to deal with one major debt holder which is an actual government rather than dozens of warlords... increasing the ease of acquiring payments back on those debt. 3. If the state is holding all of the debt these warlords accrued, then you end up with almost a hostage debtor situation where debtor countries like the United States don't want to lose out on their investment, and so they would be more willing to invest even more funds/assistance to the Chinese Republic in order to make sure the state stays around to make good on that debt payment. You can't collect debt from the corpse of a nation. 4. with the central government receiving increased investments, this may incentivize even more warlord stability as the Warlords know that the central government is the one getting the money from outside countries, so staying loyal means a steady paycheck. This wouldn't be a magic bullet, but it would likely be a proactive move that would payback massive dividends. Great video as always Stak. Can't wait for the next one.
So pretty much the Alexander Hamilton Plan, when the new federal government under the Constitution took on the debt of the states to establish credit abroad. Nifty.
@@onlyhereformoney175 That doesn't matter. The CCP is an illegitimate occupying force that has ruined the mainland. Mao also literally tried to *destroy Chinese history (artifacts and other ancient stuff included), language, and culture* while also mass-murdering tens of millions of Chinese people with his persecutions and garbage policies.
Hello stakuyi! I'm one of the writers for this mod and am happy to inform you that China is getting a massive overhaul in the next update, which is why the Nationalist Focus Tree looks so messy; it's the old one.
I believe there is a popular thing in Chinese civil war alternate history regarding the KMT offensive on Harbin being halted under US pressure, which killed off the KMT momentum that should've if continued crushed the communists out of their base in Harbin, and thus denying them a vital stronghold.
One thing that most don’t mention was the history between the CCP and the KMT. The leadership of both sides were all alumni and sometimes even classmates from the Huangpu military academy (the kmt accepted military training from the soviets in the early days before Chang Kai purged them). This made it incredibly easy for kmt generals to defect, after all, your classmates will never kill you. After the war, people found out that many of Chang Kai’s general staff where sympathetic to the CCP all along. It’s no wonder they lost.
Hard to believe Stakuyi shot himself 20 times in the back of the head then managed to hang himself by the legs from a bamboo tree in china afterwards. Guy mustve had some major demons.
oh yea, in 1940 Italy actually made a series of deals with the British to provide weapons to the Allies but was caught by Germany. Göring sent a letter to Italy and they stopped. I really like the Stresa Front scenario that I suggested but this is interesting too. There are so many moments in which Italy could have not joined the german side...
The assumption on what Chiang was and what he would do in this alternate time line is very biased and based on anti-Chiang sentiments that really did not have any real basis in fact. Many of these assumptions about how corrupt and dictatorial Chiang was came from Stilwell who hated Chiang for personal reasons. After Stilwell was removed, US government had a much better relation when Wedemeyer was in office. Chiang directed reforms such as land reforms and held local elections right after 1949 after the government retreated to Taiwan. If the war turned into a north/south split, Chiang would still have gone the routes of gradual reforms. In fact, that was exactly what Chiang and the Nationalists planned to do. The gradual reforms and political opening laid out by Sun Yat-Sen. Without the wars against Japan and the Communists, the Nationalist would have done just that. Even during the war, Chiang planned to do so after the war ended. Li Zhong-ren do not have the support if Chiang was able to fight the communists to a split. Also, Chiang's relationship to the US is not bad, considering Madam Chiang and the relationship to US generals such as Chennault. Yes, there are many people in the State Dept that hated Chiang, but if Chiang can for the communists to stay in the Northeast, then things might change. And don't forget Chiang was a devout Christian who welcomed Christian influences and missionaries to China. He encouraged Christianity in Taiwan throughout his life. So it is more likely in this scenario for Chiang to lead China on a path of gradual reforms, such as land reform and political reform. And the land that the peasants get would truly stay theirs, unlike the Communists who took back all the land that they gave out.
What if the Japanese and the Nazis extensively supported the Azad Hind Fauj (Free India Army) of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose to defeat or at least wreak havoc on British India during WW2.
Video 18 of asking stakuyi to play as the Katzenartig Imperium in equestria at war It is an april fools collaboration between the devs from EaW and the devs from the stellaris mod Gigastructural Engineering, the nation is the kingdom of abyssinia, you play as Kaiser Kattail, who has just arrived from another reality and attempts to take over the world utilizing his knowledge of mechanized warfare and megastructures to give his empire a gigantic edge. (for his focus tree to show up, you have to enable it at the game rules menu at the bottom)
could you redo Old World Blues again? possibly with the enclave reborn redux mod (you can do either puritist or reformist) I recently finally got Hoi4 and been playing a lot of the OWB mod, and did a puritist run for the enclave, and think it would be cool to see my favourite hearts of iron/ history youtuber do it
What if Poland unified with Romania under King Michael and unified Central Europe to defend against the Soviet Union and Hitler's Germany? (Yes, this time you can maximize game mechanics given how ahistorical/unlikely the regenecy ending in Poland was.)
Great Video! I've only held Shanghai once, its easier with the Kuomintang expansion mod that I heard will be eventually brought into the main mod of Iron Curtain, but it seriously is a struggle.
Hey Stakuyi, there is a new mod for Hoi4 called Kalterkreig: Shadow of the Second Weltkrieg. The premise is from Kaiserreich. The idea is, "What if Germany won WW1 and WW2?" It is like Cold War mod for Kaiserreich because of this.
video 1 of asking stak to play equestria at war as star-father hiram zerranid in colthaginian republic. (same-ish steps to getting stacked cookies but choose the covenant instead of the united republican front)
Theres another version of this mod? I saw one where manchuria was still ocuppied by soviets and with pp you could take it all and meanwhile you had to solve internal problems with the two powerfoul familys
Thea scenario of a ROC China is something deeply fascinating. It obviously would’ve lead China into so many different futures, with the democratization Sun Yat-Sen had always yearned for being one of those possibilities. I’ve played the mod myself and for each decade, there is a new tech tree to follow. I think it would be great if you continued on this timeline and extended it to the 80s to 90s, going over the rise of democratic movements in Asia, the fall of the Communist sphere and how ROC China would’ve navigated and experienced it.
Isn't it a funny coincidence that the backbone of Mao's military power in 1945-1949 were territories "previously" controlled by USSR and later on used to prepare for Korean War?😅
The best way to summarize what would a Kuomintang China look like today if it won the Civil War is this: "If Chiang-Kai Shek and Mao Tse-Tsung were brought to the modern day to see China, Mao would be horrified at the sight, while Chiang would _love everything about it"_
I remember watching Colonel Cam doing this and he actually managed to do this legit. Though it took him multiple days and retries before he was able to hold Shanghai long enough to be able to get rid of the debuffs. After that he just kept South China and waited until the communists started having gaps in the lines before finally doing counterattacks and taking back china.
Stakuyi you should get the State Transfer Tool mod even in your non-modded playthroughs so you can make more realistic peace deals. Since there have been a few incidents where the game screwed you over in terms of historical accuracy, I figured this might help. It can also (if I remember right) demilitarize states and things like that for better RP.
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there is 1 problem it only was a proposal
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Do people actually think credit scores are a thing in china?
Im legitimately suprised you actually decided to go through with it. Especially with a Nationalist Rework coming in the 0.4 update. Still major fucking props good job stak
hasnt been added in months why wait
@@silversnakeproductions3241 fair point
Will the Nationalist rework make it harder or easier to win as them?
@thespiritphoenix3798 one of the big critisms with the mod is that even though in our timeline the nationalists had almost no way of winning, the cold war mod ensures this through just giving the communists OP buffs and nationalists horrible debuffs, rather than really giving the player a choice, so it will probably keep the difficulty same in historical, but allow options to help the nationalists for an alt history
(I just realise how long and kinda redundant this is, sorry)
When is 0.4 coming out?
Welp, I think now is the good question on "If the Ottomans were more competent during ww1" since thats the second most liked suggestion? anyone?
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Idk, they seemed competent enough. There was no invasion of turkey. What are you going to do against both the Allies, militant locals, and revolutionaries at home? The revolutionaries being the most dangerous one. The best they could have done was side with the allies, wait for Russia to collapse, snip the Caucasus.
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I would rather see this, mainly because it’s more fun to watch Stak actually play the game. I think with these “what if” situations that is must actually playable in the game.
❤ I agree that was a great premise.
What if Gorbachev could finish his reforms on the Soviet Union and prevent a total collapse?
What if the Stresa front was successful? (Italy🇮🇹 France🇫🇷 Britain🇬🇧 against Germany🇩🇪 to defend Austria 🇦🇹)
Please it's my favorite alternative scenario and there aren't many good videos on it
Germany would've most likely backed off from anschluss and subsequent territorial demands wouldn't probably happen, making Hitler regime grow weaker.
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Probably what happens is Germany is forced to re-align its diplomatic policy. It *might* be possible for Germany to get an alliance with Yugoslavia, as even in our timeline they showed no qualms about allying nations who's peoples were considered "inferior" by nazi ideology.
Italy would get several concessions geopolitically. My best guess would have to do something around the Horn of Africa, or perhaps even further concessions with Libya. However, if the right under Pierre Leval is in power, it's entirely possible the French more or less sacrifice the Little Entente for an alliance with Italy, leading in to the backdoor of german realignment in diplomatic policy.
I think that Austria is probably doomed no matter what, especially as the German war machine gets going during 1938-1939. My best guess is that it's 1939 Germany incorporates Austria, which may lead into WW2 starting over Austria instead. Of course, this has MASSIVE reprecussions for the alt-Axis war effort, such as germany being massively weaker, and the Allies being significanlty more powerful at the war's outset. Instead of having a WW2 Blitz of France, it might devolve into a rehash of WW1 trench warfare, but with new, more deadly, equipment.
Overall, germany gets fuuucked by the Stressa Front, while Italy gets a bunch of stuff for almost free, and France can breathe a sigh of relief dodging the nazi occupation bullet.
playing this in vanilla/RT56 always leads to war w/ Germany, and it's a coin toss as to whether or not France joins. it's pretty fun, but w/o France, it's an uphill (up-mountain) battle to hold off the Germans. usually I do my best to equip as many 9inf as I can and steadily fall back to fortified positions in the Italian Alps. it's an interesting game, I'd love to see Stak give it a shot
@@beanos8024 yea i mean an invasion of Germany by those powers. I would be very interested to know what the peace deal would look like. Would they enforce the Versailles treaty or think that it was too harsh and give more freedom to Germany? Would France annex some territory like the Saar region? And what will happen next to Italy and her allies?
A possibly good What If could be: What if the Warsaw Uprising was Successful (I know realistically the soviets would probably come in and crush them/take over) Just thought it would be kinda cool to learn the possibility of its success.
The Soviets supported the Warsaw Uprising, giving the rebels supplies and a Soviet tank brigade even attempted to enter Warsaw to support them. The big issue is that the uprising followed Bagration, the largest military offensive in human history, and the Soviets were completely out of steam: overextended, undersupplied, and dealing with German and collaborator remnants.
@@piyo744I didn’t do extra research on it so don’t quote me but last time I checked they intentionally let the polish underground forces be crushed so the wouldn’t have opposition to their planned communist regime, militarily Germany had no means to hold of any allied advancement at this point
@@maxthetube8466 This is a commonly repeated myth that most historians don't agree upon. The USSR already had a decently strong collaborator government that could've easily taken control in the aftermath of the Uprising if it succeeded: the governments of the eastern bloc were all _relatively_ popular when they were established, with the Czechoslovak Communist Party outright winning an electoral plurality. They probably wouldn't in Poland, but the USSR had eager and powerful collaborators that could easily rival and outshine the Home Army even if the USSR did support the Uprising more.
It wasn't really a question of Germany being able to stop Soviet advances. The Soviet Union literally could not continue advancing. They were overstretched and dealing with resistance in their liberated territories and coming off of the largest land offensive in human history. They did not have the infrastructure, plain and simple, to cross the Vistula: especially because, as the Soviets overextended themselves more and more, German resistance _did_ become stronger: not enough to stop Soviet advances, but enough to probably make it more trouble than it's worth to not build up the necessary infrastructure more and more before launching a better planned, stronger offensive.
@@piyo744 Propaganda. Lies. Excuses.
@@piyo744 The uprising flew the flag of free poland and was in contact wuth the Polrs fighting under Britain, not the USSR.
The communists saw this and some wanted to intervene anyway (enemy of my enemy is friend) and others said no let them die. The former party win out, but only after 3 weeks or so of fighting and by that point most of them were dead already.
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Stak, I don't think you give Chiang Kai Chek enough credit. The man knew things like land reform were necessary, but he also knew that engaging in reforms while the chaos of the Chinese Civil War and the 2nd Sino-Japanese War was foolish when he needed to balance the various interests within his government.
And of course once the conflicts were over and Chiang started to engage those reforms, you are absolutely right that they would be relatively limited and take place in fits and starts. But Chiang definitely would've done so. The man was no fool. He knew the benefits of land reform, if only in a limited capacity. It can be very difficult to separate the man from the state he governed. China of the 1930s and 40s was horribly backward and corrupt and Chiang knew this needed to be fixed if China was to survive and ultimately thrive.
The funny thing about the Communists as compared to the KMT, they didn't need to work within the preexisting system in order to implement reforms, whereas the KMT did.
It’s a fair point but how much would his desires factor into a unified state afterwords? Considering his issues I do not think he could maintain power
@@stakuyi Not saying he would maintain power.
Also, these desires of his existed well before his exile to Taiwan when he had some pretense of ruling all of China, so his desires wouldn't have changed had he actually unified China (minus Manchuria).
Now, whether or not he was actually capable of seeing through his desires on the other hand... *shrugs* it's hard to say. But generally speaking, I think there's a tendency of people to color their outlook of Chiang at a personal level by looking at the state of China paired with the KMT's ultimate loss in the Civil War and say that he must have been incompetent.
Now, I think whether or not that's accurate warrants a deeper dive, instead of condemning the man for things that weren't entirely his fault.
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@@stakuyi He was actually trying to install democracy into China and avoid civil war; the current ROC's constitution was based on a draft that was agreed upon by the Political Consultative Conference (yes, including CCP) and almost nothing like KMT's version. The national elections were called in December 1947 even though many KMT officials knew that the KMT might not won the election if the CCP actually participated (CCP was holding most of the Northern provinces, KMT only holding some cities and railway in the North), in the end, CCP did not participate and called the election not democratic making KMT the majority party in both the National Congress and Legislative Yuan. KMT knew that they couldn't afford another war after WWII; everything was destroyed, the industrial regions and agricultural regions all burned to the ground plus the USA was focusing on rebuilding Europe instead of Asia, there were just no resources to fight.
But for whatever reasons, the USA still believed that the CCP would be siding with the USA if winning the civil war; refusing to support ROC in 1949 after the CCP started the civil war backed by the USSR till the communist regime was formed. I think he did not trust anyone and believed only he could save China after he was forced to step down in 1949 then almost all of mainland China fell into the Communists' hands right after.
@@AzureZodiac this is some bold revisionism, chiang was part of the right wing of the KMT that distruted the left wing since before he couped the party, he himself caused the breakdown of the negotiions, and he was literally kidnaped by his own generals to enter a truce with the CCP to make am united front against the japanese empire. secondly the parties involved in the election were the ones who criticized the election process, in fact, the KMT goverment was imensily unpopular because it was absurdly corrupt and could not maintain order because it's troops were usually the ones intimitading and stealing the population. And lastly, the US was supportive for the ROC from the start, in what world are you living that you think they weren't
(Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?
I though the triple alliance was an defensive alliance
@@A2kry it is
Well Italy didn't not honor the the Triple Alliance because AH declared war on Serbia and Russia (not 100% sure if they did declare war on Russia) and Germany declared war on France for a pre-emptive strike against them.
@@Sooper-Pumpkin triple alliance was an defensive pact I think tho
@@A2kry Well my point is that the German empire and Austria-Hungary were the ones declaring war on other powers so at the start of the war they weren't forced to join the war
Possible History idea: What if Hirohito had the power to accomplish his goals instead of being a puppet
Hirihito wasn't a puppet, he was a cultural figure who never wanted to lead.
McArthur made him repent for letting Tojo run Japan amok
He often yelled at tojo for doing stupid things like war in China and war against the US but never exercised his cultural authority to denounce or oust tojo publicly.
He probably kept Puyi in Manchukuo on a leash from collaborating as much since his job was to administer only Manchuria as a staging base for further Japanese invasion.
What if puyi united china day 4
Honestly that had almost no chance of happening
1. Puyi was basically a figurehead and almost had no power although he did still live in luxury but under the japanese
2. That was not the main goal of japan to give back everything to manchukuo
3. Even if he did unite china. At that point majority of chinese people were sick of the dynastic rule especially under the foreign manchus
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colonel cam actually defended shanghai and did this legit
colonel cam a real fighter
you should've waited until the 0.4 update for this one.
we could all come together as a group and demand a redo
Okay. Go back to this mod one day, and see if the August Coup against Boris Yelstin in 1991 was a success?
And i want to see if the coup against the east Pakistan government never happened 😂
Colonel cam managed to actually defend Shanghai tho, without cmds
Winning the civil war is really easy if you just use the cancel retreat trick where you can use ctrl+shift+alt+click to make your retreating divisions attack the enemy.
Though your divisions lose all their org and take a beating, once they stop attacking, they don’t rejoin whatever defensive combat they were retreating from until said combat is over, allowing your divisions to recover org in Shanghai when otherwise it would be impossible to do so.
I only fell back from the Gobi desert and a few tiles in Anhui to shorten the line, then had 4-9 divisions per tile depending on terrain and attack directions, and 2-3 divisions per tile with the unplanned offensive modifier.
Lasting the 50 days necessary is just a matter of watching your lines and cancelling any retreats you see the moment they start.
What if the Allies acutally went for Operation: Unthinkable? As well, unthinkable, as the idea was, i think it would be interesting to think about how it would pan out.
What if america aligned with germany in ww1
Now that's a scenario I want to see him walk us through.
another interesting one would be "what if the British aligned with Germany in WW2"
@@communistpotato3204 I assume with Oswald Mosley as PM and Edward VIII staying as king? Haven't played it before so that's a genuine question.
@@kingofhearts3185Oswald mosley wanted neutrality, not to ally with germany.
@@mappingshaman5280 I'm aware, but considering what you can make other historic leaders do in this game I wasn't sure how to get them to join the axis.
What if South Vietnam won the Vietnam War?
South-Korea situation?
@@johnnotrealname8168 Kinda. It’s just I thought this would be more interesting than the Korean situation
Can you make a what if video where Portugal honors its alliance with the UK and joins ww2?
There's one smart thing I think Chiang Kai Chek could have done to secure a lot of loyalty from the warlords AND improve relations with the west. During the wars leading up to 1949 (you covered this in the history behind the Chinese economic crisis) was that the various warlords paid for their troops and equipment with promisary notes to outside powers (the warlord bonds I think they were called). This was debt that had to be later recognized by the CCP in order to enter the global financial community. What Chang COULD have done was offer to take on the debt of the warlords in lieu of actual cash payments, thus basically bribing them with a clean slate in exchange for loyalty, and not deepening the economic crisis as the state would have had to pay it anyways. This does several things that would help the autocratic government maintain control:
1. The bribes help prop up warlord loyalty because well...they're bribes.
2. centralizing the debt to the state itself probably would significantly boost economic investment because it means that the investors only have to deal with one major debt holder which is an actual government rather than dozens of warlords... increasing the ease of acquiring payments back on those debt.
3. If the state is holding all of the debt these warlords accrued, then you end up with almost a hostage debtor situation where debtor countries like the United States don't want to lose out on their investment, and so they would be more willing to invest even more funds/assistance to the Chinese Republic in order to make sure the state stays around to make good on that debt payment. You can't collect debt from the corpse of a nation.
4. with the central government receiving increased investments, this may incentivize even more warlord stability as the Warlords know that the central government is the one getting the money from outside countries, so staying loyal means a steady paycheck.
This wouldn't be a magic bullet, but it would likely be a proactive move that would payback massive dividends.
Great video as always Stak. Can't wait for the next one.
So pretty much the Alexander Hamilton Plan, when the new federal government under the Constitution took on the debt of the states to establish credit abroad. Nifty.
YES, HE PLAYED COLD WAR: IRON CURTAIN. Best hoi4 mod by far.
It's great, probably, my screens to zoomed in to play Anyone. Nothing works
Is it really the best mod when every playthrough I've ever seen has had game breaking bugs and focus trees that are blank?
Nuh uh, TNO best mod.
Nationalist China, known in our timeline as both Taiwan, and the True Republic of China.
they lost lol
@@onlyhereformoney175 That doesn't matter. The CCP is an illegitimate occupying force that has ruined the mainland. Mao also literally tried to *destroy Chinese history (artifacts and other ancient stuff included), language, and culture* while also mass-murdering tens of millions of Chinese people with his persecutions and garbage policies.
@@onlyhereformoney175Well not completely.
What if France and Britain intervened against Germanys earlier „diplomatic“ moves?
What if Hungary joined the allies?
Day#2
You should try kalterkrieg the new kaiserreich cold war mod
What if Germany won ww1 and ww2 mod, it’s still new so it’s quite slow paced.
What if Scandinavia had united during ww2 and helped the most logical choice? (I know it's a very unrealistic idea, but I'm asking again)
This series is going great so far, i love how you make it realistic as can be
What if McArthur got his way and the US & allies invaded China during the Korean war?
What if the Tsar remained in power in Russia (Great War Redux mod)?
Yes! I was hoping you'd do a video on this just a couple hours ago but I didn't think you would. Great to see! Well done!
Hello stakuyi! I'm one of the writers for this mod and am happy to inform you that China is getting a massive overhaul in the next update, which is why the Nationalist Focus Tree looks so messy; it's the old one.
What if Italy had stayed with the central powers during WW1?
I believe there is a popular thing in Chinese civil war alternate history regarding the KMT offensive on Harbin being halted under US pressure, which killed off the KMT momentum that should've if continued crushed the communists out of their base in Harbin, and thus denying them a vital stronghold.
One thing that most don’t mention was the history between the CCP and the KMT. The leadership of both sides were all alumni and sometimes even classmates from the Huangpu military academy (the kmt accepted military training from the soviets in the early days before Chang Kai purged them). This made it incredibly easy for kmt generals to defect, after all, your classmates will never kill you. After the war, people found out that many of Chang Kai’s general staff where sympathetic to the CCP all along. It’s no wonder they lost.
What if a dominion tried to break free during the second world war ( your choice)
YES, the most likely ones are South Africa or India, supported by Axis countries, especially losing India would be pretty bad for the British
@MARK-gp9hb india wasnt a dominion in ww2
@@mappingshaman5280 i dont think he meant dominion in the literal sense, just any nation part of the british empire
What if the Dutch weren't neutral in ww1. What side would they most likely join?
Hard to believe Stakuyi shot himself 20 times in the back of the head then managed to hang himself by the legs from a bamboo tree in china afterwards. Guy mustve had some major demons.
What if the British and French allied with Italy and they accualy did somthing during the fony war
oh yea, in 1940 Italy actually made a series of deals with the British to provide weapons to the Allies but was caught by Germany. Göring sent a letter to Italy and they stopped. I really like the Stresa Front scenario that I suggested but this is interesting too. There are so many moments in which Italy could have not joined the german side...
All it would have taken is “Truman and the state department didn’t arrange for Mao to win”.
If the traitors that are John Service and his ilk not leading the "Dixie Mission" would also be a big help.
Ive been waiting for this one!
Idea: What if Finland fell in the winter war? (Could be done by play Finland fall to the USSR then use console command to switch to USSR)
the finnish did lose, but it survived just lost the land the USSR wanted
@@onlyhereformoney175 I meant more got entirely annexed by the USSR
If Mongolia was not a poppet state of the ussr?
One China-related question I would have is “What if Sun Yat Sen didn’t hand over his presidency?”
Could you possibly do "what if greece joined the cental powers" in the great war redux sir that would make me very happy
What if Canada maximized its military industry and tried to take territory in WW2?
The assumption on what Chiang was and what he would do in this alternate time line is very biased and based on anti-Chiang sentiments that really did not have any real basis in fact. Many of these assumptions about how corrupt and dictatorial Chiang was came from Stilwell who hated Chiang for personal reasons. After Stilwell was removed, US government had a much better relation when Wedemeyer was in office. Chiang directed reforms such as land reforms and held local elections right after 1949 after the government retreated to Taiwan. If the war turned into a north/south split, Chiang would still have gone the routes of gradual reforms. In fact, that was exactly what Chiang and the Nationalists planned to do. The gradual reforms and political opening laid out by Sun Yat-Sen. Without the wars against Japan and the Communists, the Nationalist would have done just that. Even during the war, Chiang planned to do so after the war ended. Li Zhong-ren do not have the support if Chiang was able to fight the communists to a split. Also, Chiang's relationship to the US is not bad, considering Madam Chiang and the relationship to US generals such as Chennault. Yes, there are many people in the State Dept that hated Chiang, but if Chiang can for the communists to stay in the Northeast, then things might change. And don't forget Chiang was a devout Christian who welcomed Christian influences and missionaries to China. He encouraged Christianity in Taiwan throughout his life. So it is more likely in this scenario for Chiang to lead China on a path of gradual reforms, such as land reform and political reform. And the land that the peasants get would truly stay theirs, unlike the Communists who took back all the land that they gave out.
i LOVE this series!
What if Hitler never took power of Germany in 1933?
What if swedish empire survived and won or made a white peace with russia in the great northen war. Use The great war redux
I love these videos not because I care for watching hoi4 videos but because of the history and story telling.
What if the Japanese and the Nazis extensively supported the Azad Hind Fauj (Free India Army) of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose to defeat or at least wreak havoc on British India during WW2.
Video 18 of asking stakuyi to play as the Katzenartig Imperium in equestria at war
It is an april fools collaboration between the devs from EaW and the devs from the stellaris mod Gigastructural Engineering, the nation is the kingdom of abyssinia, you play as Kaiser Kattail, who has just arrived from another reality and attempts to take over the world utilizing his knowledge of mechanized warfare and megastructures to give his empire a gigantic edge.
(for his focus tree to show up, you have to enable it at the game rules menu at the bottom)
There is Kaiser Katail in this mod are you Killing me ??????????
could you redo Old World Blues again? possibly with the enclave reborn redux mod (you can do either puritist or reformist)
I recently finally got Hoi4 and been playing a lot of the OWB mod, and did a puritist run for the enclave, and think it would be cool to see my favourite hearts of iron/ history youtuber do it
No one would've voted for this if they realized it was a cold-war mod video
What if an American town got transported to 400 years in the Past? (Ring of Fire mod)
What if Japan, not Germany, won World War II? And i'll not stop until this video WILL be made Stakuyi!
so like a separate war, maybe Japan never attacks the US
m gonna continue on with requesting this: What if Oswald Mosley and the BUF won power in WW2?
What if Poland unified with Romania under King Michael and unified Central Europe to defend against the Soviet Union and Hitler's Germany? (Yes, this time you can maximize game mechanics given how ahistorical/unlikely the regenecy ending in Poland was.)
Great Video! I've only held Shanghai once, its easier with the Kuomintang expansion mod that I heard will be eventually brought into the main mod of Iron Curtain, but it seriously is a struggle.
YAYYY STAKUYI PLAYING COLD WAR CHINA
Hey Stakuyi, there is a new mod for Hoi4 called Kalterkreig: Shadow of the Second Weltkrieg. The premise is from Kaiserreich. The idea is, "What if Germany won WW1 and WW2?" It is like Cold War mod for Kaiserreich because of this.
What if North Korea wan the Korean war?
Absolutely love
Wan
Brandon Herrara and Brandon Frasier and Ron Swanson had a baby, and this is him.
I was waiting for this one for a time
Yo Stakuyi, love what you do mam, keep it up!!
video 1 of asking stak to play equestria at war as star-father hiram zerranid in colthaginian republic. (same-ish steps to getting stacked cookies but choose the covenant instead of the united republican front)
What if Sweden reconquered the entire Baltic and proclaim the new Swedish empire
What if the Taiping Rebellion won in China in the Victorian Era (use the 'end of a new beginning' mod)
What if the Russian Revolution failed? This can create interesting paths, from involvement in China, to how they would function after winning WW1.
Video THREE of asking for What if Vietnam broke free from France and got its revenge?
What if...
The allies invaded through Greece instead of Italy?
Love these. You never finished your portugal eu4 guide. I neeeeed it.
Theres another version of this mod? I saw one where manchuria was still ocuppied by soviets and with pp you could take it all and meanwhile you had to solve internal problems with the two powerfoul familys
Random military history question.
What did naval warfare look like before gunpowder?
What if during the Siberian intervention, the Japanese find Alexei, install him as a puppet and don't leave?
I want to see an alternative history where we just let McArthur go at it.
Bro is NEVER visiting china.
what if quisling succseeded
Thea scenario of a ROC China is something deeply fascinating. It obviously would’ve lead China into so many different futures, with the democratization Sun Yat-Sen had always yearned for being one of those possibilities. I’ve played the mod myself and for each decade, there is a new tech tree to follow. I think it would be great if you continued on this timeline and extended it to the 80s to 90s, going over the rise of democratic movements in Asia, the fall of the Communist sphere and how ROC China would’ve navigated and experienced it.
What if Germany went democratic before ww1?
Isn't it a funny coincidence that the backbone of Mao's military power in 1945-1949 were territories "previously" controlled by USSR and later on used to prepare for Korean War?😅
I thought you were going to have them win in vanilla.
The best way to summarize what would a Kuomintang China look like today if it won the Civil War is this:
"If Chiang-Kai Shek and Mao Tse-Tsung were brought to the modern day to see China, Mao would be horrified at the sight, while Chiang would _love everything about it"_
Now this is some good stuff
What if the United States had gone with the "Europe First" strategy that Eisenhower wanted?
should've played the ROC submod, makes holding a lot easier
ANOTHA CERTIFIED STAKYUI CLASSIC🗿🗿
What if trotskey unified the right and left against Stalin
My Favourite Kaiserreich path: "What if New Zealand became a Maori Kingdom" that would be fun to do, maybe unify all of Polynesia
@stakuyi what if operation valkyrie succeded ?? how does ww2 end and how Germany rebuilds leading into hoe different europe might be in the cold war
I've always wondered what if Germany did not violate Belgium neutrality in WW1? Would that not have avoided British entry into the war?
What if India was never partitioned
This mod seems like a fun challenge. Imma give nationalist china a try
I remember watching Colonel Cam doing this and he actually managed to do this legit. Though it took him multiple days and retries before he was able to hold Shanghai long enough to be able to get rid of the debuffs. After that he just kept South China and waited until the communists started having gaps in the lines before finally doing counterattacks and taking back china.
I still would love to see a competent Ottoman video at some point. But I'm excited for this one!
What if ussr never collapsed
Stakuyi you should get the State Transfer Tool mod even in your non-modded playthroughs so you can make more realistic peace deals. Since there have been a few incidents where the game screwed you over in terms of historical accuracy, I figured this might help. It can also (if I remember right) demilitarize states and things like that for better RP.
Can you do the ottomans being competent in ww1 scenario next