Secrets of Old Valyria (with The Disputed Lands)

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  • @mjean6762
    @mjean6762 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Wow, nice surprise! Amanda, we don't see enough of you! Keeping the viewers happy Robert!

  • @asepheleleshabalala1352
    @asepheleleshabalala1352 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The House of the Dragon series should cold open on the Doom . Go all out on the CGI and dragons.
    Plot twist to Dany the Dreamer having a nightmare, and her father deciding to sail West.

    • @johnnymatias3027
      @johnnymatias3027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Show us the scheming Maesters and Lannisters, Brightroar, the Faceless Men, Braavosi ex slaves, Qohoric mages and Aurion, House Belaerys and Jaenara in Sothoryos I want it all.

  • @IndianBrah
    @IndianBrah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Watching in deep geek talk about Valyria wrapped in my velour-ian blanket

  • @omgjimmyboy
    @omgjimmyboy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Going back and watching this goodie Amanda has always been one of my favorites such a wealth of knowledge !

  • @Rosie-yt8nd
    @Rosie-yt8nd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    my favourite theory is this: the ancestors of the valyrians were slaves in the Great empire of the dawn, used to try and create dragons or something dragon like for their ability to withstand more heat than the average person. Then after the empire fell, they were the only ones with the knowledge of how to do it and used it to establish their own empire, possibly even further improving the proto-dragons. Things like dragon bonding were more commonly known between dragon lords, while the most valuable knowledge, like certain intricacies of breeding, were likely kept within the powerful families to ensure a certain superiority. Those pieces of information died with them in the doom, which is why the Targaeryens struggled with certain things but over time also forgot more of their own knowledge. Personally i think some knowledge from the GEotD is preserved in Asshai, including stuff about dragons and their origin, which is why Quaith wants Dany to go east. She wants her to remember where dragons and her ancestors came from, before Valyria.
    Bonus points for the Valyrians maybe even causing the downfall of the GEotD and faceless men parallels.

    • @TheDisputedLands
      @TheDisputedLands 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe you are correct about valyrians being slaves rosie. That was originally going to be covered in part iii. I decided to stop after part ii, but you are on the right track!

    • @Rosie-yt8nd
      @Rosie-yt8nd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheDisputedLands i loved your videos. i formed this hypothesis while watching them and it's one of my fave theories overall. if there's ever a part iii i'd gladly watch it in a heartbeat

  • @mynameisobel84
    @mynameisobel84 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Most Targaryen babies born with the wyrm-like deformities are from Targaryens having children with non-Valyrian parents (with the exception of Rhaenyra's Visenya), yes? Perhaps that's a reason behind blood purity "ideals."

    • @dustin628
      @dustin628 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really? I hadn't noticed that that's really interesting...

    • @Black_pearl_adrift
      @Black_pearl_adrift 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The blood purity light be a more practical thing than ideological. Targaryens probably saw what happened when they married outside of their group

    • @sd5371
      @sd5371 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I now this is an old comment but also during her delivery she was cursing her child in the pain of labor. Calling her a monster and wanting it ripped out as she clawed at herself. So in the since she was letting her rage and malice poison the purity of her Targaryen child to become the monster it came out as.

    • @persephone342
      @persephone342 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Laena Targaryen, Daemon’s 2nd wife, had a Draco baby. So I’m not certain that the babies non-Valyrian genes are what is causing these children to be born. I suspect it’s actually the child lottery sacrifice system at work more than anything other.

  • @lah-jk5ch
    @lah-jk5ch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    OMG! So excited to see Amanda again!! 😍
    The Disputed Lands is one of my FAVORITE resources for thoughtful, & unique, ASOIAF content! Loved the different points of view being discussed here. I hope there is more to come from you two! 🤞

  • @shekel8245
    @shekel8245 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh man this is the best surprise I could hope for of an evening. Ty as always, Amanda and Robert

  • @maika2449
    @maika2449 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The Disputed Lands is my favorite channel, along with this one! Please make more videos! Absolutely love them, the first time I see you in person. Was so happy when I heard it was you, Disputed Lands!

  • @DrNothing23
    @DrNothing23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    LOVE this series idea, Robert! GREAT idea for a series! How about one on The Secrets of old world Magic?

  • @theavidreader922
    @theavidreader922 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Two of my favorite channels together, best news all week. Thanks

  • @daniellekale3174
    @daniellekale3174 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love that you're doing Valyria!

  • @ProfessorRoark
    @ProfessorRoark 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Always excited to see In Deep Geeks new video alert, and with the disputed lands ?! I’ve been waiting for some more of Amandas work for what feels like forever ! Thanks guys !!

  • @jamiemckenna2254
    @jamiemckenna2254 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome! I dig Amanda. Looking forward to this! Thanks for the bonus content, Robert! You are keeping us very well entertained @in deep geek 🙏🏻

  • @Revex08
    @Revex08 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been waiting for this one for ages! Thankyou so much Robert!

  • @einowski
    @einowski 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dragonbinder most certainly binds dragons. Dany even knows of the existence of dragon binding horns when she has this thought in ADWD: “The dragonlords of old Valyria had controlled their mounts with binding spells and sorcerous horns.”

  • @BraavosiBroadcast
    @BraavosiBroadcast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So wonderful to see you, Amanda! I've missed your beautiful face and brain! And you're not so bad yourself, Robert. 😉
    Great topic!

  • @mauralee9987
    @mauralee9987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Enjoyed this very much! Thank you so much to you both!

  • @IndomitableAde
    @IndomitableAde 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Weren't there other dragon riders during the Dance of Dragons whose Targaryen lineage wasn't clear? The Hammer, The Axe, and one of the Hull boys?

  • @purplexninjamom
    @purplexninjamom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    My husband didn´t want any GOT names. So we named our baby girl Valerie instead. Somehow, Valyria has become a nickname.

    • @purplexninjamom
      @purplexninjamom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Oh and by the way, she has dark blue eyes (indigo-greyish) and light blonde hair. Sometimes I joke that while my blonde hair glimmers golden-ish, hers is more silver-ish :D Very fitting, I think

    • @purplexninjamom
      @purplexninjamom 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Shame nolan Thanks^^

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was whiteblond as a child too, but if you do not have a genetic anormaly that keep melaninproduction in a childs level, she will turn gold or ashen sooner or later. I'm dark blond now, but in comparison to the henna red I dyed my natural color apears to be dark silver ^^ Probably better, naming people after charactersquite offen gets them into trubble

    • @purplexninjamom
      @purplexninjamom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@SingingSealRiana Yeah, I know. I had white blonde hair as a small kid, too. And like you, I´m now dark blonde.

    • @TimParker-Chambers
      @TimParker-Chambers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@purplexninjamom I also had white-blonde hair as a child, and it gradually went darker to dark blonde (the same color as 'bronze pencil crayon') and now a more burnished bronze... (my eyes are grey and brown, like Kyle MacLachlan and Emilia Clarke)

  • @woolyhoggett
    @woolyhoggett 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This no insult, but your voice is better than any lullaby. I live in a downtown area where there is unrest and gun fire. I have 5 passive internal locks on my door and my windows are 40' off the ground. My role is to witness horror without actual danger, so long as I remain tightly locked within my home, Amazon is a lifesaver. Frankly so are you, because you make me feel safe and normal. I have heard you voice for a long time--every vid more than once. Your voice helps me ignore the peril which lies outside the front door of my security building, I'm a patron, but I don't have nearly enough resources to offer you what you deserve for making it possible to sleep. All I can do is shout out to you about my gratitude in a public forum. Consider working more with Quinn, who also is very knowlegable and has a magnificent voice. In my native language we do not have a good-bye terms. We say ᏍᎩ! Stay safe until me meet again!

  • @Stevandoren1003
    @Stevandoren1003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep up the great work. These live streams are amazing!

  • @AndrewK23777
    @AndrewK23777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Forgive the long comment in advance. Definitely liking this "Secrets" series , look forward to many more of them and great to see Amanda on. Excellent discussion and breakdown of the somewhat mysterious element of the narrative of Old Valyria. There are a lot of gaps in our general tangible information with Valyria but there is enough to draw many theories and hypotheses from. I definitely agree with a lot of Amanda's theories with the origins of dragons and Valyria , the component that she expanded on at the end of this vid and her 2nd Dragon Origins vid definitely solidifies it for me , that with the pre-Valyrian dragon evidence all over Planetos that it seemed the GEotD was the original dragon riding empire who likely created dragons and that some remnant of the GEotD (after its collapse) likely taught the Valyrians dragon riding , dragon genetics , possibly dragon-steel , likely a lot of their tech, experimentation and practices.
    With Euron , I do not think he went to Valyria , his silent crew is perfect way cover up his secrets (which could include his false claims here). Euros possibly could have acquired the armor and horn from Asshai , one of the Free Cities or somewhere near but not actually Valyria ; and EG seemed a bit miffed when he was questioned about the veracity of going to Valyria. With the Doom , I am somewhat torn on what theory to latch onto in general , I do not think its fair to say the Targs did not massively benefit from it , they went from the lowliest Dragon-lord family / House in Valyria to the only House on Planetos with dragons and arguably the most powerful family in the world as a result. I do think its possible they played a part (actively or not) in the Doom, although I am not certain of definitely how , they could have facilitated the Brightroar sale for example. But regardless it definitely seems likely that the Faceless Men were hired and followed through in assassinating the Fire Mages who were controlling the Fourteen Flames which initiated the Doom.
    The Citadel definitely seems a candidate , not only were they learning some information from the Freehold but it seemed a limited amount given not that much of the rumored vast Valyrian tech came over to Westeros , and we know they likely played a part in killing off the dragons later on being wary of dragons & magical entities so they likely viewed it as a preemptive strike before Valyria looked westward and just not fitting into their worldview. The Brightroar link seems somewhat credible to help generate the needed funds and fulfill prophecy , its likely the Targs facilitated that sale more than the maesters but either is possible. I think one element many overlook with the Doom is the likely involvement of Braavos imo. Braavos was founded by escaped slaves of Valyria who hated many of the heinous Valyrian practices (slavery especially) and likely wanted to get one back on them , ntm they were emerging as global power players in the literal and figurative fog (basically hidden from the Valyrians) and would have needed to be rid of Valyria to take that next step on the world stage. The FM are also headquartered in Braavos , for me i think the Iron Bank and Braavosi hierarchy likely were involved in the Doom as well , along with the Citadel top brass , and possibly the Targs as well (given the huge beneficiary the Targs were from the Doom) although i am the most torn on direct Targ involvement aspect here. But to me seems a multi faction coming together to devise, pay for and execute the plan of the Doom which seems highly likely was an enormous sum of money to hire the Faceless Men to carry out.

    • @Slechy_Lesh
      @Slechy_Lesh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Robert's point was that the *specific* Targaryens who left Valyria didn't benefit. They're not a hive mind - people love their children sure, even their legacy, but to uproot your nice life to live on a rock? For the rest of your days? No, you wouldn't do that, not even on the hope that your direct children will be able to conquer a different continent.

  • @arcanics1971
    @arcanics1971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wasn't Nettles probably a Dragon seed? I know the other theory is she used magic to bind the dragon, but I think that the Dragon seed thing is more likely- and not excluded by her use of magic.

    • @rmarks8
      @rmarks8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think she is a bastard of the rouge prince

  • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
    @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    25:30: Daenys the Dreamer - probably owned a glass candle, and used it to communicate with the others in the conspiracy. (Glass candle owners can enter each other's dreams.)
    Just before the Day of Doom - she's warned. Family packs up and moves - just-as-planned...
    (Interesting also...Maesters have glass candles...)

  • @annmari5070
    @annmari5070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amanda is gold! 💜 Was wondering how she's doing. Great to see her again!

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Loved her guest appearances too, she is great and it sadly quiet on her own channel

  • @d.m.collins1501
    @d.m.collins1501 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One thing I was hoping to see discussed here is: where are all the descriptions of Valyria through its own rich literary history? It's VERY odd that there seems to not BE one, even considering the Doom and how many Valyrian treasures were destroyed in it.
    When Rome fell, the so-called "Dark Ages" followed, when writing turned largely ecclesiastical and literacy plummeted. And yet we could still read (if we COULD read) about the good old days in Caesar's autobiographies, in Petronius' Satyricon, in Ovid's humorous guidebook about dating, in Seneca and the Stoics' chidings about moderation in modern life, in Plautus' pimps and cuckolds, and many more. Everything from how the Romans built siege towers, to which hot and cold baths came first when you visited a Roman bath, to which country had the best supply of the best timber to make the best ships, what the Romans' favorite condiment was ("garum," and you could also learn about which countries and even which manufacturers made the best versions), to which pickup lines could get you laid at the Circus Maximus, to which prayers cured leprosy, were known to any monk, scholar, or royal nephew who could read Latin and Greek and get permission to check out those books from the libraries in Alexandria, Baghdad, Constantinople, etc.
    In A Song of Ice and Fire, though, we have the opposite situation. Their Rome is Valyria, an amazing, unspeakably advanced and powerful society whose achievements and political machinations reverberate through the modern world. And yet the WORDS of that world, and the writers of those words, stay mostly silent to us.
    Didn't Valyria achieve its greatness through the wits and power of great people with great minds? Didn't they have philosophers and scientists and leaders and rebels, all of whom might want to have chronicled their own deeds or might have inspired others to write their histories? Yet we hear virtually nothing about this, not even in the thoughts or musings of Tyrion and other well-read characters except in one or two very brief instances.
    In fact, aside from the Friendly Man's story of the Faceless Men's origin as slaves in the Valyrian mines, we don't even seem to have ANY first-hand accounts to tell us what things were like in Valyria when it was at its height. Correct me if I'm wrong, but such practical facts as how tall their towers were, whether the cities had walls or anti-dragon defenses, what the middle class people ate for dinner, whether Valyria had suburbs, what people who were not fire mages or slaves did for a living, whether there were different species of fireworms, etc, don't seem to be reflected in any books penned by Valyrians (or any books penned at ALL).
    Surely these books MUST have existed. And surely they could not ALL be destroyed in the Doom.
    What about the Targaryens and Dragonstone? Didn't they have a library?
    What about the free cities, or the bastard-born children of Valyrians, or the Valyrians' vassals, or Volantis? Did none of these people ever want to have Targaryen histories or biographies or technical manuals in their book collections?
    I mean, I get why Martin would handle things this way. What we have now is a wonderful sense of mystery and awe about this fantastic society that had skills far beyond those of the world of the books today. And I'm sure that Martin thinks there is no way any actual accounting of Valyria could live up to our own fantasies. Knowing more details, if done with anything less than perfection, might make the days of Valyria seem mundane and ordinary.
    But mysterious or not, it just doesn't make sense that ALL of our Valyrian histories seem to come from maesters and jesters far removed from those times, and that we have virtually NOTHING written down in a pragmatic, no-nonsense way by any Valyrians that have survived into the present day. Our other historians paint remarkably vivid pictures for us of the past, and even the Children of the Forest seem capable of letting us see details of life as it existed during the days of the First Men. And yet we do NOT get any accounts of what it was like to stroll, or fly, through Valyria at its height, or even its not-so-height, not even in the diaries of Targaryens.
    What I want to know is, WHERE IS MY VALYRIAN SATYRICON?!?
    Valyria must have had its own Petroniuses! But if not, we should at least have its Pliny the Younger, someone who could have witnessed the Doom (or in Pliny's case, the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius) from far enough away to describe it while still living to tell the tale.
    I think Martin wanted to recreate the experience, for us, that the people of the Middle Ages must have felt about the Romans or the Babylonians or Egyptians when they stumbled through ruins with indecipherable glyphs and runes on them, under giant arches that they themselves could never have built, or past irrigation systems far beyond what they could achieve in their own times. But truth be told, the Middle Ages had both that mystery AND plenty of first-hand accounts, even if they were only accessible to certain lucky people.
    I think we could handle at least SOME first-hand Valyrian writings--and if we CAN'T handle it, at least explain to us, Umberto Eco style, which maesters or conspirators have those tomes locked away to prevent us from recreating a second Valyrian paradise (and unleashing a second Valyrian Doom)?

    • @carlrood4457
      @carlrood4457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it just me, but does there seem to be more information about stuff that happened thousands of years ago than about Valyria which was thriving until much more recently. It's been less that 1000 years and it seems more mysterious.

    • @asherfarrell1607
      @asherfarrell1607 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The difference between Rome and Valyria is that Rome didn't blow up
      You don't see first hand writings of Valyria because they were egotistical douche bags who enslaved other races for being lesser in their eyes, and then Valyria blew sky high, destroying any history of it

  • @amartinez016
    @amartinez016 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for all your hard work on these videos, Robert! Love this new series! IDG FTW! 🥳

  • @bronxer78
    @bronxer78 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    16:06 , these worm-like deformities also serve as homage to George RR Martin's macabre novel "In the House of the Worm."

  • @AdrianMendoza23
    @AdrianMendoza23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great conversation.

  • @sheilahilton356
    @sheilahilton356 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Robert when are you going to invite LmL back. Thought you guys were cool. Good to see Amanda again unless she too is shunning LmL❤️

  • @robbypodobinski824
    @robbypodobinski824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a beauty

  • @kijanigolkosh9532
    @kijanigolkosh9532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hiya @indeepgeek & @disputedlands. I have a question about the implications of Valarian genetic manipulation. In the HBO Watchmen series explores the idea of traumatic events creating "Genetic Memories"
    I.e. An interdimensional psychic squid attack on New York City killing millions.
    Could dragon dreams be a form of this? After Dany experiences the traumatic deaths of Rhaego & Draggo. Dany starts to acts like she's in a trance & begins to build a funeral pyre in a precise ritualistic manner which results in the birth of dragons. This could explain Summer Hall, Aerys fire obsession, the drinking of Wildfire are misunderstandings of "Genetic Memories".

  • @helenavonlahnstein-makemor61
    @helenavonlahnstein-makemor61 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best guest EVER and ALWAYS and my sister

  • @herbthompson8937
    @herbthompson8937 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the idea that the Valyrians started off as a family/clan that left the GEoTD just like that Targaryens left Valyria before the doom, possibly even the family of the Amethyst empress

  • @whyonthefall5373
    @whyonthefall5373 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it's quite obvious where George got his inspiration for Valyria from.
    I do love ASoIaF. The different nations and characters really mix well, and are incredibly interesting

  • @Mike.Ivory.Music7
    @Mike.Ivory.Music7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amanda's deep, thoughtful, and beautiful as well! Love her content ❤️

  • @johnnymatias3027
    @johnnymatias3027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The curse of Garin the Great. I think the Maesters, Qohoric mages and perhaps some factions of Braavosi teamed up to get the Lannisters their sword, using their goal to disguise the necessary scheming to kill the right dragonlords and mages to bring Valyria down.

  • @JoniukasVader
    @JoniukasVader 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Deep!

  • @roddammit5510
    @roddammit5510 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hell yeah my homegirl Amanda! Y'all a great team

  • @Nga_Babaye
    @Nga_Babaye 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the genetics theories because they work with GRRM being a prominant Syfy writer throughout his career and how he designed his dragons to be accountable by the laws of nature. So maybe the worm>wyrms>wyverns>dragons are just their evolutionary order? However, I am compelled to agree that the Valyrians were genetically altered or are different. I think it was over on Secrets of the Citidal's channel, were she pointed out evidence once, maybe in fun, that the first men or those that formed the Empire of the Dawn were not from planetos. I still feel like The Ice Dragon is part of the ancient lore of Planetos, and the war in the background of the story is being fought against what we call the Great Empire of the Dawn. Despite GRRM saying early on novel is part of the ASoIaF, he later said he used what was their in shaping what would become planetos and the newer additions state it is part of the series now. I'm just wondering if GRRM only it wasn't in early 2000s because it is spoiler-y. Maybe the blood needed to defeat the others needs to be someone from a genetically modified background of ice (dragons--First Men/Northmen) and fire (dragons-Valyryens-People of the Dawn.) People always try and say Adora is the Night Queen, but what if she's just the mother of a great house and Winterfell is built on the spot her Ice Dragon died?

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
    @jonhauge-evaldsson783 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You!

  • @McHaven07
    @McHaven07 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And if the Valyrians were gene-splicers and eugenicists, that could explain why the worst aspects of so much incest has been mitigated for the most part.

  • @alexb3604
    @alexb3604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not to objectify because Amanda is a super smart intelligent content creator whose theories i love but she is also very beautiful. We all need to know her secrets , I believe she is married with kids but I thought she was this brainiac teenager / early 20's the first few times I saw her vids lol ; we need to know her secrets , does she bathe in blood to preserve her youth and looks like Shiera Seastar 😉 ? Great vid , enjoying this new series a lot.

    • @TheDisputedLands
      @TheDisputedLands 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Awe thanks! Just turned 39 on the 21st😜.

    • @alexb3604
      @alexb3604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheDisputedLands omg , I would not believe you were even 30 lol. We all need the secret to keeping your youthful looks.

    • @TheDisputedLands
      @TheDisputedLands 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alexb3604 botox is one helluva drug🤣

  • @HoofHearted88
    @HoofHearted88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looking at the timeline of things I think it's very odd TWOIAF assumes it's the Lannister's gold that paid for the Doom. I don't really get why it's such a firm belief.
    I get the wording is ambiguous, but the Lannisters got Brightroar "the century before the Doom". The Doom happened in 102 BC. Robert died in 298 AC, so that's exactly 400 years later. Cat Stark says Ice is 400 years old. So to me it would make much more sense for the Starks acquiring Ice to be related to the Doom, as these events happened much closer to each other in the timeline.
    If we go by the crude wording and assume Brightroar to be 100 years older than the Doom, it would be about 500 years old. The Corbrays and Mormonts have had Lady Forlorn and Longclaw for about 500 years as well. We don't know if they got an older valyrian steel sword from a different House, but it seems safe to assume they bought it.
    Lannister gold paying for the Doom just doesn't work for me. It's either not theirs and it's the Starks, which makes more sense timeline-wise. Or it's the Lannister, Corbray and Mormont gold that paid for the Doom. And for the same reason Robert says he doesn't think the Targaryans are responsible for the Doom (they wouldn't sit on a rock for 100 years), I don't think the Lannister gold would sit for 100 years before the Faceless Men are called. So I think it's the Stark gold for Ice that paid for the Doom.

  • @IndomitableAde
    @IndomitableAde 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    39:55 I think Euron did travel to Valyria. CFD asks how Euron would be served by saying he'd been to Valyria, that he could have said Asshai just as well because "lots of people go". Lots don't, and to the point of Valyria, no one does. It's cursed, it's a greyscale colony, its air has bad humours. There be wyverns and worms. The point of Euron is that he's going to do things no one ever has, or claim he's done things no one ever has to increase his infamy. Where better to find a full suit of Valyrian steel armor but in the palace of someone who no longer has need of it? I suppose he could have stolen it from the warlocks or some very well-heeled person, but those exploits lack the caché associated with reaving Valyria.

  • @Runningdeering
    @Runningdeering 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So a thought here is will Danny’s three fires all have a sacrifice component, 1st one being Drogo’s pure and the release of dragons, and potential 3rd being her Nysa Nysa moment, what could a significant 2nd sacrifice be?

  • @HoofHearted88
    @HoofHearted88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regarding the 'blood of the dragon' and its link to heat tolerance; one thing I always wonder is how much percent of the blood is required for these genetic skills to be acquired? For example, it's strongly rumoured Orys Baratheon is a Targaryen bastard. Does he posses heat resistance? If he does, would his children posses the skill? Would his grandchildren? At what point is the Targaryen blood in his line too watered to lose the heat tolerance?
    For example, Jaehaerys II married a Blackwood and she gave him children, one of whom was Aerys II. So Aerys II is a half Targaryen. Aerys wed his sister, who gave him children, one of whom was Rhaegar. So, does that make Jon a quarter or a half Targaryen? What if we go further back in the Targ timeline?
    And what if we compare it to bastard lines?
    While I do appreciate the thought put behind it and maybe I'm overthinking it in my approach, but I don't really like the genetics point too much. I believe it was the late Christopher Hitchens who pointed out Diana Spencer is a more direct ancestor of Henry VII than Prince Charles. For the genetics point to be valid, you'd say the same should apply to the ASOIAF story too. But that doesn't appear to be the case.

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There ist the interesting thought of a x chromosomic gene whith one you can right a Dragon, with two you can hatch them . . . Jon and Viserys show no hint of heatresistance in contrast to Dany . . . Have we actualy ever seen a male showing that trade? I realy do not know . . .

  • @dustin628
    @dustin628 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really liked this guest! Was she nervous though, there were a lot of uh's and um's? I had to take my headphones out. I'd love to see her back though and I'm gonna go check out her channel once this is over!

    • @beatrizfernandes1506
      @beatrizfernandes1506 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, that's just the way she talks (at least in the livestreams). Her channel is wonderful!

  • @mhammedakrot3600
    @mhammedakrot3600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In deep geek what's up man I hope you're doing well my friends

  • @SingingSealRiana
    @SingingSealRiana 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something interesting I noticed no that no one mentioned for me too hear jet, the prices that Balerion flew of with often gets called out for beeing foolish, trying to mount that old mighty dragon, but pretty much the same thing happened to Dany who has a reather strong connection to Drogon, who is always called her child. Of cause, most people focus on her tragic demise, but the flying of with no controll where their dragon takes them is identical.
    If Drogon could have flowen her anywhere and if he had knowen and missed valyria, he would have chose there all the same.
    I feel like people overestimate Danys powers cause she brought dragons back into the world after so long and well, sympathising with her. She aint an awesome, in controll queen, she is a lost little girl getting draged whereever even her big goal of ruleing westeros is not hers, but Viseryses. Her tries to end slavery is her beeing draged by the slaves need, but once she is told they might have a better life sold, she allowes that too. She tries so hard to do the right thing and help everyone, but she is compleatly in over her head.

  • @nikolajurican8704
    @nikolajurican8704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    People not returning from valyria there is no curse its people who live there .

    • @jlworrad
      @jlworrad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      nikola jurican I’m also tempted to believe there’s some surviving group in Valyria . The Targaryen princess incubating wyrms to me suggests an intelligent hand trying and failing to reproduce the ancient magical intermixing of human and beast in order to create more dragon rider capable people. In a deeply messed up way. We may find out more from Euron in the next book (if he’s truly been there).

  • @evelynvongizycki1017
    @evelynvongizycki1017 ปีที่แล้ว

    But Nettles was only able to bond with the dragon because she had some Valerian in blood not because she was an exception. I thought they searched for people who had some in the first place

  • @setelliott9683
    @setelliott9683 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if it's like Pern, and the magic is just happenstance real. Maybe Pern and Ice&Fire share a galaxy. Probably not a solar system, because thread, but the Fist seems very buried ship.

  • @williamwhitfield6225
    @williamwhitfield6225 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok listen to me here, Bloodraven is responsible........lol But seriously one thing I’ve always wondered. Wouldn’t the COF have had some role in the doom of Valyria? It’s thought that the conquest of Valyria is what pushed the first men to cross the arm of dorn in the first place. It certainly caused the Andals to flee and somewhat invade Westeros. The COF have green sight correct, so they can see some sort of distance into the future. Hell they where powerful enough to perform a ritual that broke the arm of Dorn in order to stop the flow of man. Surely having green sight they were able to see that they couldn’t win that fight they’d be overrun and wiped out. Valryia was continuing to grow and as it did more people and their cultures would flood into Westeros. They would strike a pact with the first men and they would take up the old gods their gods. And in a sense adopt their culture and live peacefully, also learning their magic. The first men were primitive i would imagine and they were more willing to take on the old gods and this shapes the North. But the Andals they already had their own gods their own culture, and they would bring them to Westeros and spread. So the COF would realize there’s no winning that fight and would plot the fall of Valryia. To at least stop the spread of Valryian conquest and slow and eventually cease the flow of man into Westeros. We know the faceless men were involved, and they were likely paid in a massive amount of gold. Gold from Castleyrock, which was foretold in a prophecy. The reason the Lannisters were willing to pay a massive amount of gold for a sword. Is because no Valryian would trade with them because of the prophecy and the superstition it created. So they were forced to offer a sum that was so ridiculously large that someone would pay it. What if the COF started that prophecy amongst the Valyrians? A powerful greenseer (the first three eyed crow) sent the visions to create the prophecy. Then influenced the Lannisters to seek the Valryian steel sword that other the great other houses possessed. And made sure that amount of gold big enough to buy a army was paid to someone or some group. Who would put it in the hands of the faceless men to carry out part of the COF plan. The doom of Valryia and a end of their expansion and knowledge that threatened their way of life. The Children have been playing the game of power all along. They’ve just been playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Playing the long game over thousands of years. And this is why the three eyed crow must be passed down into the Wierwood network. Taking a new physical host whenever it needs to. In order to ensure the plan continues to be executed, and the events that need to happen take place.

  • @hashpond420
    @hashpond420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If dragons predate Valyrians then they could not have created them.

  • @skizzik121
    @skizzik121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm going to have to check her channel out. I am obviously interested in an attractive woman with seemingly high level knowledge of ASoIaF good voice as well.

    • @skizzik121
      @skizzik121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Shame nolan I checked out a couple videos. While none of the theory are new to me she presents them very well.

    • @TheDisputedLands
      @TheDisputedLands 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@skizzik121im curious. Which video did you watch? Im guessing if you heard these theoris before you read my theories on the forums. Tthank you for that if you did. If that isnt the case im guessing you watched the video on nagga where i discuss the current fandom theories surrounding nagga. The rest of the videos come from my forum stuff and its all pretty original so youve piqued my curiosity.

    • @skizzik121
      @skizzik121 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheDisputedLands the Dunc video was the one I heard before. I wish I remember where I heard it. The Dragon origin pt.1 sounds vaguely familiar but I heard it from a person IRL who didn't remember where they heard it so that was likely 2nd hand your stuff lol.
      EDIT: I haven't watched anything else yet but I have time tomorrow I plan on binging a few

    • @Mike.Ivory.Music7
      @Mike.Ivory.Music7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amanda is beautiful, and has a brilliant mind which is even more endearing ;)

  • @Bmj568
    @Bmj568 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe the Valerians have white/silver hair because of the wyrm genetics?

  • @setelliott9683
    @setelliott9683 ปีที่แล้ว

    So Drogo taking Danny to wife was a cultural historical dominance thing?

  • @cat_alyst6306
    @cat_alyst6306 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who has been to Valerya and back…Aerea, and Ballerion that’s who. 😢

  • @serielmcleod1900
    @serielmcleod1900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your channel. How does one send a theory to you? Via Patreon? Email? A page?

  • @tscchope
    @tscchope 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Balerion dragged off Aerea Targaryen and took her to Valyria. Drogon dragged off Daenerys. Does that mean, if she hadn't fallen off, she'd have ended up in Valyria, too?

    • @realdaggerman105
      @realdaggerman105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      tscchope
      I doubt it, Drogon probably wouldn’t instinctively know where Valyria is, meanwhile, Balerion was literally born and raised there.

  • @targaryen_timelord
    @targaryen_timelord ปีที่แล้ว

    Didn't Tyanna of Pentos posion Maegors other wives and their children?

  • @freckles0829
    @freckles0829 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just had to immediately hit the "like" button...of course I love @indeepgeek, but there were 666 likes...yikes!!

  • @SweetheartQuest
    @SweetheartQuest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it wasnt rome that fell it was the western roman empire
    rome didnt fully fall until 1453 around 100 years or so into the renaissance

  • @christianayers622
    @christianayers622 ปีที่แล้ว

    Heres a theory for ya, Someone like the empire of the dawn, made a bunch of biological monster and they controlled them by making hybrid humans who could command them. lets say the high towers were created to control the sphinxes. i think the creators didnt realize what they had done when they made dragons. once they were created there was no putting them back in the box. the valyarians used their power to overthrow whoever created them, then killed off all the other fantastical beasts so there wouldn't be competition.
    Bonus theory. the animal warging and natural seeming magic was the opposite of blood magic, even though they both use blood. ones blood is natural, ones is modified. YOOO maybe the weir woods want blood so they can see if there is any unnatural blood, and then if they find unnatural blood they call the white walkers to cleanse. honestly i think im onto something lol. Are we ever told what the Children of the forest think of the Valyrians?

  • @SingingSealRiana
    @SingingSealRiana 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The interessting thing for me is, danys connection to the dragons is seen as profe of her beeing ment to rule, but realy had anyone actualy thaught about it? Dragons are beeing of destruction, they are great for concoring and burning your enemy, but ruleing? To rule you have to establish and follow rules, that needs disziplin and rationale guidedness, compromising and mercy, all of which dragons do not posess.
    Most people see Dany going mad in the show as sudden and random, but actualy it is hinted all along. The closer she comes to her dragonblood herritage, the more she loses her sweet and innocent heart. Her human side is all caring mother of the slaves breaker of chains like, but the dragon blood also makes her vicious and her failing to notice this rift inside of her, how her deeds and her intentions match up less and less that is a sign of delusion, she started to lose touch to reality. And it is only getting worse and worse.
    We loved her standing up to Viserys, but her beeing compleatly unbothered afterwords by whitnissing and causing the death of someone she loves should be concerning. Yeah, he was an asshole, but she loved him. It just does not get along with her otherwise compassionat nature. Going on her actions get rasher and more striking on instinct like those of her dragons.
    At no rate I'm trying to say she is a bad person, she just followes her nature, but this just realy makes her unfit to rule. Her real purpouse should be protecting, that is a thing both of her sides can agree on if she wakes up to be cautious about the danger she poses for those she wants to protect, the drawbacks of her empowerment . But she will go down the road of destruction of she is not careful with the danger of her dragons and their influence on her, she apears unaware off.
    What often is seen as her becoming strong is mostly just her losing control of urges . . . She is painted as the hero, but grrm does not do heros, there always is a catch.
    Realy, who could ever thing a dragon would be a good ruler?! Empowering them, keeping them safe, yeah, nur actualy rule themself?!

  • @SHARKVADERS
    @SHARKVADERS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    IDG!!!

  • @sbm8103
    @sbm8103 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo

  • @Slechy_Lesh
    @Slechy_Lesh ปีที่แล้ว

    31:27

  • @DANTICVS
    @DANTICVS ปีที่แล้ว

    Amanda looks like a gelfling and I love her. Her mic leaves little to be desired though.

    • @anonymous-hz2un
      @anonymous-hz2un 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gelfling 😂😂 is that supposed to be a compliment?

    • @DANTICVS
      @DANTICVS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@anonymous-hz2un gelfling?! 100% compliment. Totally crushed on Kira when I was a kid

  • @TimParker-Chambers
    @TimParker-Chambers 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A couple of thoughts on Euron (awesome character) One, he's at best, an unreliable narrator, at worst, a liar*. Two, Valyrian steel can be re-forged by smiths who know how. Given that someone's armor is fit to them (highlighted when Tyrion had to make do with miss-matched scraps during one battle) I'd find it highly unlikely that Euron would have found an existing suit of armor which just so happened to fit him. I'd consider it More likely, that he acquired/found some Valyrian steel swords/daggers on his travels, and then had a smith re-forge the metal from them into a suit of armor (or possibly reinforce certain parts of his existing armor (such as the rumor Ser Jaime wore golden armor, but it was Really gilded-steel: Euron's 'Valyrian steel armor' might just be regular steel armor with Valyrian steel reinforcements) Three, he cut out the tongues of his crew 'because he needed silence'. Mute crew members would be unable to ever call him out, or tell the truth of Euron's adventures, if he ever 'bent the truth' in their presence...
    With regards poor Aerea Targaryen: She wound up in Valyria (Balerion returning to his birth-place, possibly in the same manner as salmon travel to re-spawn) and somehow becoming infested with fire wyrms, possibly through some 'natural assault', as with a Xenomorph face-hugger, or possibly something Done to her by other people still in the area (Her words being 'I never...' (perhaps meaning 'I never wanted them to do this to me...') Perhaps in the days of Old Valyria, perhaps Targaryen women were used as incubators, possibly even granted nobility as part of a 'priestess caste'...
    *Such as the convolution coming in the books that he paid a Faceless Man to kill Balon, possibly to avoid the slur of being a kin-slayer, yet in the series, he openly admitted killing Balon. I know, series and books are somewhat different, but Overall, I'd say Euron is not someone to Care about being called a kin=slayer, and in this coming instance, Martin is either trying to distance His story from The Series' story, Or, the series was simply a distilled and simplified version of the story, to make it easier and less convoluted for viewers to engage with . The whole section when Tyrion was travelling with the Griffs, Septa Lemore, etc, IMHuO, that's just someone trying to pad a story and writing for the sake of writing, rather than simply 'telling a story'.

  • @VixJustTryingOK
    @VixJustTryingOK 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    🔥🐉😷👍🏼

  • @miastlouis1008
    @miastlouis1008 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very boring guest

  • @tessdurberville711
    @tessdurberville711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been watching your videos for over a year. I enjoy your attention to detail and your voice is very pleasant. This is the first one I have not enjoyed or watched for more than five minutes. I do not want to be unkind, but I think that you need to buy a new microphone for your girlfriend. The sound of her voice induced a migraine.

  • @brittanyrae5771
    @brittanyrae5771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really want to finish watching this video but I can’t listen to this girl “um” and stutter anymore 😭

    • @dustin628
      @dustin628 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah me too! I had to take my headphones out to finish... she got better after the 40 minute mark though. I was thinking she was just nervous or something?