Gorons don’t necessarily have to be cannibals just because they’re made of rocks and eat rocks. They also don’t just eat any random rock that they find. They specifically eat something called rock roast. Humans and cows are both made of meat, but eating a hamburger doesn’t make me a cannibal.
I assume that Hyrule keeps losing technology because very time Ganon wins it's a civilization-ending event. We just don't usually hear about the times Ganon wins.
The ending of this video made me think about how far apart some of these eras really are. The rhyming history, the “founding” of Hyrule, the imprisoning wars. I believe the entire TOTK timeline (past/present) seems so far apart of one another in its own story, but takes place and even more lucrative amount of time after everything tied to all the stuff that happened around Ocarina of Time. Ancient ancient ancient history. Entire resets of the whole universe
when the time lines “merge” id just assume that means that no matter what timeline you follow, they all eventually lead to 1 inevitable timeline, being Botw/ToTK
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories Yeah, i mean im with you on how silly and confusing the timelines are. Like realistically any death in any game could branch a new timeline. I just think there intention is that 3 of the separate timelines eventually collapse into one. Like 3 rivers merging into one big river. All with different water flow speeds, different fish and sediment, but ultimately collect in 1. But that’s the only way i can think to make sense of it all. As yeah Zelda is confusing and weird 😂
For number 13 the most commonly believed theory as to why the triforce is like that is that when the hero of time went back in time he brought his piece with him which ended up splitting the triforce instead of making to triforces of courage (which thank goodness that would be confusing) and its theorized that the triforce can be passed down to descendants, thats just the theory i like to believe
If you’re familiar with the lore of the elder scrolls there’s someithing known as a dragon break, where much like in Zelda, the timeline splits and remerges so anything that could have happened did. A messy concept to be sure but I think what it implies is that by the time things converge back on a single timeline enough time has passed that history and legend are indistinguishable, so it’s impossible to say what did or didn’t happen
@@AbsurdZeldaTheoriesbasically Daggerfall had seven different mutually exclusive endings and so when making Morrowind Bethesda decided that in order not to abrogate the players choices by saying 'time in the iliac bay region shattered and became non-linear and thus all the endings happened at once' what this looks like in universe for those outside the area is that one day the region was a patchwork of squabbling duchies on the brink of all out war then suddenly three days later there's just a few stable and prosperous kingdoms. For those in the area it looked even weirder since some remembered only a day passing and others much longer than three days... and a lot of them remembered mutally exclusive things. Then Bethesda thought 'this us a good idea' and ran with it leading to them creating the lore that there have been at least two other Dragon Breaks in Tamriel's History.
Easiest solution for a timeline merge is Hyrule warriors, as it takes place in a universe with influence from all timelines due to magic time shenanigans. It's the perfect fix for the timeline, but Nintendo refuses to accept it as canon.
That's nonsense. Just because the Triforce symbol is on her hand, doesn't mean she has the triforce. In fact SS tells us that the full Triforce symbol is a symbol of the god's which indicate that person has sacred power. I will fight anyone that says BOTW Zelda was BORN with the Triforce inside of her, makes zero sense. I could see 1 piece of it but the full triforce? No way.
@@nworder4life That's not the only evidence. You can watch Monster Maze's video on it if you want. But being born with the entire triforce already has precidence in the lore, inclduing SS's Link.
@@raymiemiller1455 No, I don't think seeing the triforce in the waking water means he always had the triforce, Hylia literally says to him "The mark you see upon your hand proves you are the legendary hero and that within you dwells sacred power. If you can obtain the ACTUAL triforce" and I apologize if the quote isn't fully correct but that's what she said "If you can obtain the actual triforce" How the hell does it make sense to be born with the Triforce but SS Link has to go on a quest to make himself worthy of it? The full Triforce you get to make a wish, a piece of it you get to use that piece's individual power. That's the lore. Zelda 2, Link got the symbol of the full triforce before ever getting the Triforce of Courage. BOTW Zelda's mark simply means she has sacred power and that's from the blood of Hylia. Just like every other Zelda in all the other games had magic or telepathy or w/e, it comes from Hylia's blood.
Honestly, the downfall timeline should be the original OoT timeline, in which Link lifts the Master Sword and disappears, with the child timeline being a separate one that Link enters when he places the Master Sword back in its pedestal. Also, the Era of the Wild should’ve just taken place in the distant future of the adult timeline, with the Zonai attempting to recreate Hyrule and that’s why so many similar names and events with different people happen.
The dragons don't have the same name as in Skyward Sword. They are similar because they're made from the Goddesses names. Din -> Eldin -> Dinraal Farore -> Faron -> Farosh Nayru -> Lanayru -> Naydra
According to quantum theory, the "three-dimensional threads" are destined to merge like an inverted umbrella, oh boy the magic and science is hard to explain in a video game.🧑🔬🧙♂
The Twlight Princess triforce point isn't dumb lore, it's a consequence of Ocarina of Time. Zelda send Link back at the end before Ganondorf got the Triforce, but because Link still has the Triforce of Courage when he returns to the past the Triforce splits and goes anyway to maintain that (as seen by the triforce mark on young Link's hand at the end of the credits) But Ganondorf didn't know he had the Triforce of Power until the Sage's tried to execute him - the "Divine Prank" that he somehow had the power of the gods and they didn't know how, and Twilight Link and Zelda are direct descendants of their Ocarina counterparts and their Triforce pieces have stayed hidden within them through the bloodlines
Young link ha in the triforce on his hand at the end of the game doesn’t mean he has the triforce. We actually see in Oracle games and I think in some others is appear on the hand of a charecter but not be present within them. We actually see this at the end of wind Waker too.
@AbsurdZeldaTheories the Oracle games I can't account for and maybe that's to do with the Capcom production and but fully understanding the lore, but seeing as ocarina introduced the hand thing, specifically, as described in game, as a sign that the person carried a piece of the triforce and the young link model didn't have it previously, it's pretty clear what's being implied and fully makes sense within the narrative of Twilight Princess what has happened.
#1 The light force can be explained by the fact that it is Hylia's powers that are passed on from SS Zelda to all her descendants. #3 The fact that nobody is talking about the lack of Shikah technology is probably because all the characters in TotK have been living without traces of this technology for, probably, a few years now. Also, some of the missing things can be explained by the assumption that Purah and Robelo rebuilt them into other things, and the ones that are strange, like the Shrine of Resurrection and very remote traces, wouldn't even be noticed by most characters. #4 As for Goron procreation, that's a bit weird really, for one thing it was stated in BotW that Gorons are genderless and in TotK it was implied that Gorons are born from the stone itself from the mountains, which doesn't quite fit with the claim that Yunobo is supposed to be a descendant of Daruk and the Sage of Fire. That's why I don't think the sage from ALBW is a half-Goron, but simply a Hylian acknowledged by the Gorons. #7 As already suggested in other comments, the tunics were probably intended for Hylian visitors. #9 As you can see from the drawings in the bomb store, the moon of Termina has probably always been smaller and closer to the earth's surface than in our world or Hyrule, which in turn supports the theory that Termina is located in another dimension and is connected to Hyrule via the tree trunk in the Lost Forests and possibly also through a portal in the Gerudo Desert (according to a theory). In short, it is another moon in a separate world, which is only connected to Hyrule in a few places. #11 According to the backstory, the rails were created by the gods (in the german version, the american one uses Spirits) to lock away Malladus, and we also learn that the spirit train was also created by them, I assume that the Hylians simply learned how this train works and then built their own to use the rails that already exist anyway. The reason we don't see any more trains after Spirit Tracks is because the adult timeline has no more games and New Hyrule is on a completely different continent than all the others. #13 Because Link travels to the past with the Triforce of Courage at the end of OoT, the other parts are also given to Zelda and Ganondorf in the past, so the Triforce of Courage from OoT is inherited by Link to his direct descendant TP Link and by Zelda to Zelda, while Ganondorf simply keeps his. #15 Depending on where you place the time of Rauru and Zonia, you could argue that the imprisoning war of TotK takes place before the one from OoT/aLttP or so far after that people didn't even know the one from OoT/aLttP existed. #16 There is a theory that the Zora became Rito because the gods made it so, to prevent them from reaching ancient Hyrule. #22 The official explanation for the heroes in TriForce Heroes is that the hero we are playing is the Hero of Hyrule from ALBW, while the others are unknown Hylians. #26 As I understand it, LA is a dream of the Windfish, which is forcibly maintained by the nightmares, by ensuring that the Windfish cannot wake up, during the dream, people from different worlds are drawn into it, such as Link, Richard and Mamu, through which the dream grows and gains new elements, such as Gumbas through Mamu. The realm of the Ocean King, on the other hand, is, to my understanding, a parallel world connected to Hyrule, in which time runs much faster than in Hyrule and which is protected by the Ocean King. As can be seen at the end of LA, the Windfish is in Hyrule and the Ocean King can certainly enter Hyrule as well. #27 My version of merging the timelines looks similar to what happens in Hyrule Warrior only bigger and more permanent. I assume that old Hyrule from WW is still flooded and the water then destroys or severely devastates the parts of Hyrule from the other timelines, causing the other kingdoms to disintegrate, then the Hylians begin to gather among the descendants of the royal families, who now fulfil the role of priests, the old kingdoms slowly become legends, the Sonai return from the sky and Rauru founds a new Hyrule with the current highest priestess Zonia. In the meantime New Hyrule remains in existence and is either unaware of the merge or becomes a trading partner/ally to the new Hyrule. #28 The Four Sword divides Link into his four strongest characteristics. At least that's how I understand the manga wich deals with this topic the most. #30 The explanation I've seen most often is that LA was pushed before the Oracle games in order to say that Link survived LA and didn't die. #32 Since we know from TotK that the dragons in the wild era were once Sonai, and we also know from Zelda and Ganondorf that the dragons' appearance has similarities to the previous bodies, I think the dragons as well as the flying whale from SS were created directly by Hylia and died over time, since we can see two of them die in SS and BotW/TotK anyway. #33 The reason why Rito and Zora exist in BotW/TotK is because not all Zora were living in Hyrule when it was flooded, which is also validated by the fact that Yona (Sidon's fiancée) comes from a Zora kingdom that is outside of Hyrule. Zoras also live in Labrynna (Oracle of Ages). #34 That Gorons are cannibals just because they eat stones is the same argument as saying that Zoras are cannibals because they eat fish or that humans are cannibals because they eat mammals. #41 The parts of the Triforce react with each other when they are close together, so in the Wind Waker it was not an ability of Ganondorf himself. In OoT, I think Ganondorf was able to capture Zelda so quickly because he was watching Link, or he senses most things near his tower.
Termina isn't in the same world as Hyrule. The Majora's Mask manual literally calls it "a kind of parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule".
the whale skeleton quest in breath of the wild tells you how this works. its the legend of zelda. yes the light force is the triforce so is the secret stones, yes the loftwings minish and occa are the same thing, yes that is the same imprisoning war yes totk and skyward sword show the founding of hyrule. yes the wind fish and the ocean king are the same story. yes the master sword, the four sword, the locomo blade, and the phantom sword are the same sword. these are all retellings of the same event. there are only so many events in the true zelda timeline. and likley none of the games tellings of any of them is accurate as to what happened.
For the Dream whales, it's rather simple, these whales exist outside their respective dream realms, it's just that they are capable of bringing outsiders into them.
The Reason why the Triforce split in Twilight Princess is because in Ocarina of Time Link traveled back in Time by Zelda to warn the Royal Family about Ganondorf and also life his Childhood and you know Majoras Mask happened. Because of that there where 2 Triforce of Courage in that time because at that point the Triforce wasn’t split. That’s why it split because of imbalance, there can’t be two Triforce Pieces of Courage.
an idea of how three timelines converge into one is: All three are classified as legends passed down over time but the actual truth is lost. Remenerants of each exist proving that branch exists, but counters do exist. Making the timeline the Legends of Heroes. I hope that is one dumb overthinking way of looking at it.
#11: Spirt Tracks is the last game in the Adult Timeline, other than (as far as we know) BotW and TotK, which take place far in the future and after numerous Calamities.
Didn't Null touch and wish upon the PRIME FORCE in Echoes of Wisdom? Unlike A Link to the Past, the Triforce doesn't grant that wish and still splits! Even more stupid is the fact that Null then decided he needs to gather the pieces again (as if it will be different this time) and tells Zelda that it doesn't have time for her.. what!? She is right there holding a piece of the Triforce it wants!
Okay Termina isn't confirmed to be in the same dimension as Hyrule so that is probably why the moon doesn't have to be bigger. It could be another case of Hyrule being different from Lorule being different from Termina.
1:59 Easy. They're all aliens. Aliens are canon from Majora's Mask, and since they all came from the sky they're assumed to come from thr gods. 3:16 I firmly stand by my opinion that Twilight Princess should be fully titled as "The Legend of Midna: Twilight Princess." Heck, Hilda had a bigger role than Zelda in a "Link Between Worlds." 8:28 Honestly, all the alternate timelines are dumb. The Adult timeline happens because Link remains in the Temple of Time until he's old enough to wield the Master Sword. Except he's sent back & leaves the temple, meaning that he's no longer inside it. This means that, if we're following the official Timeline, that MM & TP are the only true Zelda games after OoT. The other timelines just don't exist.
8:09 the three links aren’t actually “links”. Only the green one is link and he’s the same link from A Link Between Worlds. The other two are different people who look like link lol
I don't remember where I saw it, but I vaguely remember hearing that the red one is a girl hiding her gender because everyone assumes the prophecy is about three guys, even though the prophecy never explicitly mentions gender, just the sideburns.
The reason that Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf posses their respective pieces of the triforce in Twilight Princess is because in Ocarina of Time, future Zelda used the ocarina of time to send Link back in time just before he pulled the master sword. And since he still possesed the triforce of courage, it had to correct itself by splitting into 3 pieces. Even though Ganondorf never got access to the Sacred Realm.
However, this theory has flaws as well. Like how does the triforce of courage remain with Link? Wouldn't it just go back to the sacred realm, what about the triforce of courage in the future? Did it break into 8 shards upon Link's departure from that timeline, or did someone decide to shatter it?
My few cents on some of these: I like the theory that the Zonai and Kokiri are connected. they share a vaguely similar silhouette and origin story. To explain the difference maybe just some surviving Zonai all shrunk themselves using magic and the their descendants forgot their exact origins after however many generations. Spirit Tracks Train issue is easy, because it is the last game in the Adult Timeline and it takes place on a whole other continent than Hyrule. Links Awakening and Phantom Hourglass being set in dream realms created by magical whales doesn't make the whales are dreams themselves. So their whale Skeletons showing up in BotW isn't out of the question. Also 100% agree Oracle games coming before LA makes the most sense and the reordering is just dumb. Gorons coming from the ground and eating rocks is perfectly fine. Not all stone is the same, there are many different minerals, and Gorons are just a more sentient variety. One guess for how a Big Goron happens is either a Goron that just lives long enough and gorges himself on a bunch of rocks, or maybe he is just born from the ground like that. Rocks can come in many shapes.
1. That’s the light source….Zelda is stated multiple times to be a sage of light. 7. It’s made super obvious in various games, including OoT that Hylians visit the Zora and Gorons… 8. Zelda 2 is called the legend of Zelda in Japan. 9. Did you miss the part where Termina isn’t in the same world as Hyrule? 11. Spirit Tracks takes place in the adult timeline, it’s the last game in that timeline, that’s why you don’t see it later. It’s also not the only game to have advanced tech. Trains aren’t that advanced to begin with 12. Someone conveniently left out the fact that the king can teleport 13. Bruh are you dumb? TP Ganondorf is the ganondorf from OoT. And both TP Link and Zelda are descendants of their OoT counterparts. The triforce can be passed down 🤦 14. In a series with alternate timelines and worlds, you’re seriously questioning other forms of life? 16. Illusory doesn’t mean intangible 19. it’s been established multiple times that the master sword isn’t the only legendary sword Stopped watching at 8 minutes, such a waste of time. For someone who makes Zelda content, this dude knows next to nothing besides surface level content. Must be one of those people who skips through text. I’m surprised he takes the time to skim through the books
Saw something recently that nintendos official botw/totk timeline is just its own completely different timeline/dimension that does not connect to the others. makes a lot more sense especially with how they literally just retell the story of OoT again but with zonai and rito and time travel shiz
Why did Link time travel 7 years when he took up the Master Sword in OoT? I recall the reason given was because he was too young to be a hero. The Hero of Winds wasn’t aged up nor were any of the other Links who took up the Master Sword besides the Hero of Time. What if Link did not age seven years, wielded the Master Sword, and collected the medallions as a child rather than as an adult? He defeats Gannondorf, but falls to Gannon. Something happens to cause the gods to intervene such as someone wishing on the Triforce or Zelda playing the Ocarina of Time like at the end of the game. The gods don’t seem to intervene- Not in this timeline anyway. The seven year intervention would be a reaction to the downfall turn of events. This explanation makes me not hate the downfall timeline nor its genesis. It also helps explains why other Links don’t time travel when they pull the Master Sword. Imagine if Netflix did a Legend of Zelda series that’s just Ocarina of Time the show until Link pulls the Master Sword and doesn’t time travel. The idea would then be to follow the events of the downfall timeline, but imagine fans reaction to that happening. 😅They’d be on that shit like Star Wars fans on Jar Jar Binks.
The Light Force has a Different Lore than the Triforce. The Triforce is the Omnipotent Power of the Creator Goddesses that they used to create everything to drive back the Nothingness. The Light Force is the energy made by the Minish by Life Force that dwells within humans and other living things and can be extracted by making Humans happy. Every Rupee and every Amulett they find within Grass comes from the Minish, it makes humans happy and thus they create more Life Force that manifests as Force Gems which the Minish then used to put them together into one single object. The Light Force is not tied to the Goddesses, but the one Goddess we could make the closest connection to it would be Farore - the Goddess of Courage and Creator of Life.
i saw another video somewhere that explains it. some zora left hyrule before it flooded. others became the rito. the era of the wilds takes place such an unfathomable long time after the other games that the zora who left made there way back to the no longer flooded hyrule. thats also how there can be ancient Rito, because by this point rito have been around for 1000s of years
I only was able to do the first third or so so far; I might try and do more tomorrow if I have time; but here are some responses/explanations; their canon-ness is not 100% guaranteed (but honestly, neither is anything Nintendo says either; they’ve contradicted the games lots of times in official sources, and some of the games have contradicted each other or even themselves every once in a while), but the consistency is definitely high (I've put a *lot* of thought into Zelda Lore): 1 - I think the Light Force is basically the Sealing Powers of Light (aka, the Domain of Hylia from back when she was a goddess) being essentially given back to her and her bloodline as a Mortal, the details of exactly why and how she earned it are clearly part of the as-of-yet unmade game with the Hero of Men vs the Horde of Beasts (and the oldest known reference to Ganon). 2 - Yup, Zonai can reproduce with the human races (the ancient Hero’s Aspect has traits that look sort of half-way between Zonai and Hylian; being that the First Calamity event would have taken place probably only a few centuries after the TotK past-era) and probably several other mortal races are comparable as well. 3 - Gloom and Malice are not the same thing, Malice is a physical manifestation of Ganon (Ganon has long had dominion to some degree over monsters, as implied in the aforementioned Minish Cap opening; and Malice grows monster-parts and spawns monsters sometimes); whereas Gloom is one of Ganondorf’s dark, forbidden sorceries being boosted by the Secret Stone, being more ethereal and much less physical in form than Malice was. I have a theory that Gloom is specifically the stolen/gathered power from the remnants of a powerful Demon; in the class of beings like Demise, Malladus, Bellum, and The Shadow Nightmare (the last two of which specifically have abilities that drain power/life, like Gloom) all of whom are specifically established to be able to harm gods and divine beings (thus Gloom breaking the Master Sword and overpowering Zonai like Rauru/Mineru even when armed with divine artifacts and or while being simultaneously burned away by Light Powers]) and who probably took a form with many hands and eyes, which is notably the only shape other than a copy of Ganondorf himself that the Gloom solidifies into. 4 - What happened to the Sheikah Tech is the same thing as what happened to it long ago when it was first “lost”, it was always specifically designed for the express purpose of appearing to help fight Ganon when Destiny called to it; and while there were lots of factors involving theories and details about the Sheikah and that specific plan that would take way too long to get into; they basically probably did some time+destiny stuff to disappear once they were no longer needed (plus needing to make way for the similar time+destiny-pulled arrival of the Zonai stuff). 5 - I don’t think he’s half Goron; I think he’s probably very Goran-coded due to likely being a Goron in many of his previous lives (it’s pretty clear from many things that while souls usually stay on pretty similar paths throughout reincarnation, they can definitely cross species boundaries). 6 - The Picori, Zonai, and Locomo are, I think, pretty clearly all similar in classification (the Oocoo are weirder and they and the Loftwings have less reliable in-universe sources, so they might be slightly different); but those other 3 seem to be semi-divine races of servants and messengers deliberately constructed by and for the gods (although their souls seem to be essentially no different than particularly spiritually-potent mortal souls, so they are former mortal souls who were worthy servants [like Rauru, the long-time sage of Light and/or guide to the Hero] chosen to essentially semi-ascend and be placed in these new special bodies). Fi might be an example of a constructed servant with an actual artificial soul instead of a a chosen mortal/minor spirit soul (perhaps that was something very few gods have the power to do, so usually they do this other method instead). 7 - I suspect that the Triforce was basically used up in reconverging the timelines prior to TotK (essentially diffusing itself practically out of existence throughout creation to hold the formerly contradictory worlds together). The Secret Stones are the gods’ new, weaker (still powerful, but less existentially-threatening levels of reality warping) artifacts given to the Mortals for their use in time of great need; so yeah, they are essentially in-universe, successors inspired by the Triforce. 8 - The Goron and Zora tunics are likely not entirely literal, basically a technology/game-asset contrivance to stand in for some more appropriate artifacts or enchantments in-universe. 9 - it’s actually worse than that; because that’s not a second Zelda being introduced via legend of herself in the only game not named after the legend of herself in Zelda 2, that’s the “first” Zelda, she predates the Zelda still hanging around from LoZ and when she was named, there were no records or memories of any previous Zelda (as it had been many centuries since there had been one in that timeline). 10 - The size of the Moon is again probably something of a non-literal representation due to technological limitations; the face (and the moment where the Moon says something about hunger or consume when Majora starts to pull it down again, which always looked to me like that was the Moon speaking, not Majora) implies to me that it is or contains some entity (probably a god of the Moon or a god locked in the Moon or something) that Majora was summoning or tapping into to call it down. 11 - Yes, the temple of the Four Sword exists there, as Minish Cap and Four Swords happen before the timeline split, which means that it technically exists in each of the Timelines (and I think shows up in Four Swords Awakening, which takes place in the [incorrectly named] “child” timeline). 12 - Because we only have 2 games that take place after it (nothing in it’s own timeline and then TotK and BotW post-reconvergance, with uncountable things lost and forgotten in the mixing of largely incompatible timelines and then centuries and centuries of unknown events and eras before another Hyrule is finally refounded prior to Tears of the Kingdom’s backstory bits. 13 - The blocking of the scene is a little unclear for sure, but also, as you said, the King of Red Lions is a ghost; that’s a possible reason why he could essentially sneak up on it, ghosts aren’t always fully visible. 14 - They don’t actually have the Triforce in TP; it’s still locked away in the Sacred Realm (as here, Link and Zelda never opened it); the Crest doesn’t always mean they physically have a piece, just that they are chosen and blessed by the Triforce and are deemed worthy of it (the blessing is active in this timeline due to some slightly complex to explain but does-technically-make-sense leftover time travel shenanigans from OoT); it’s this blessing that Ganondorf draws on for the Power to survive his Execution and a few other things, but when he’s beaten by another Herald of the Triforce (TP Link) the Blessing essentially leaves him and he is able to die. 15 - Maybe, they are referred to as ghosts in-game and official sources; so they might just be alien-coded ghosts or monsters of some kind. 16 - On the one hand, because they didn’t know about the other Imprisoning War, that was across timelines and like half-a-dozen sets of so-long-that-history-forgot-all-about-stuff ago. But mainly for the same reason that most incarnations of Link and Zelda are named Link and Zelda, or that Zelda works to guide and pave the way for the Hero to battle the forces of Darkness, or that Link several times has to gather three or sacred artifacts to gain access to a magical sword; or that an ancient whale-spirit is attacked by a parasitic demon or monster; because the entire core the series, what the story is all about, what the themes are about, even how the gameplay is designed, is about cycles of and patterns of destiny repeating over and over in new ages and new variations and new ways. I have officially stayed up way later than I should have going through this, I'm done for now, good night...
I don't have any conclusive reason why the light force and the triforce are two separate things but you could chalk it up to Capcom just doing their own thing with minish Cap
This was probably the case, but now the light force can be explained by the idea that it is Hylia's powers, which are passed on from SS Zelda to all her descendants.
Not a likely explanation. Keep in mind that game was directed by Hidemaru Fujibayashi, the current director of the series. My guess it's that it was likely a concept that was intended to play a role later on in the series, but was later drop and/or was evolved into Zelda's sealing power.
I think the timeline merge operates on the same principle that if you live long enough you'll see time repeat itself. If you extend any one of the three timelines long enough you should in theory start to see reoccurring events, though likely in different orders. I believe calamity Ganon is essentially the long term outcome of so many years in all timelines
I think it says a lot that despite the Zelda continuity being pretty weak for most of the series, it wasn't until BotW and Tears that said continuity became a true liability. Like I can agree that most of these bits of lore are dumb, but it never really bothered me until BotW and especially TotK. I guess it feels like most of the games simple felt like we were attributing connections where they weren't intended but BotW/TotK feel as though the developers were actively trying to say stop theorising dudes. To me, the dumbest bit of lore is that the zonai are a completely new species that lives in the sky, built ancient robots and have a lost civilisation buried under the ground, built their own temple of time and worshipped Hylia... completely separate from the precursors in Skyward Sword's backstory who built the timeshift stone mining robots in Lanayru Desert's past. Why do we need TWO super ancient, lost tribes of highly technologically advanced beings responsible for the eventual founding of Hyrule?
Zelda went back to the past, was a secret stone sage and turned herself into a dragon as an ultimate sacrifices, the other sages bearing witness. Plus the monuments you can translate reveal that people gushed about her when she appeared in Rauru's Hyrule. Its possible Rauru and Sonia's children(?) Relatives started the naming tradition to honor her sacrifice
Who’s to say the name Zelda was completely forgotten? Alternatively, it could be some sort of mystical fate thing that the name Zelda would come up in the royal family again.
9:50 I mean... with portals to all different timelines appearing in Hyrule Warriors, having the portals expand to a point where the world just merges into one isn't too farfetched, right?
Zelda is a reincarnation of the goddess Hylia. That's why she has powers. If Zelda is a descendant of Sonia and Rauru then where is their kid(s)? They must of had at least one if Zelda exists. 1:51 Gorons are apparently closely related to Hylians. You don't even see normal people in Goron Village and Zora's Domain. A normal Hylian can't even enter Zora's Domain. 4:09 I don't think this is canon. 5:14 Link had the Triforce of Courage when he went back in time so I guess the other 2 went to their owners for some reason. I think the reason why the Zora evolved into Rito is because the sea is too dangerous to swim in. Phantom Hourglass is not in a dream world. I think a parallel dimension. I think BOTW and TOTK take place in the downfall timeline. There's a stone tablet that mentions Ruto being a sage which never happens in the child timeline. The Zora are possibly extinct in the adult timeline so that leaves the downfall timeline. Link's Awakening should take place after the Oracle games. It makes more sense. 13:48 Ganondorf: And even though I can capture you in exactly the same way, I will leave you alone to go about your business. 15:33 The Kokiri evolved into Koroks. 15:37 I think that's true. 15:55 That number is One Quadrillion. 17:10 That face Ganon makes is hilarious.
I borrowed the switch version of skyward sword from a friend to see if I would like it and one of the collectable items looks like the power stones in tears of the kingdom to me.
For the love of god totks past takes place after every zelda game and before botw. Its a new hyrule kingdom. It has nothing to do with older games whatsoever
I'm pretty sure that is just the Triforce of Wisdom under a different name #7 Hyrulian merchants probably for trading #25 My understanding is because time travel is actually NECESSARY here it creates a new split, if no time travel happens Link dies unlike ecery other time time travel happens Link could still win without it so there's no other branching games
Nope. There's nothing in game nor in Perfect Works that implies anything of the sort. They all just present it as a mystery... that's very likely to be just an empty Mystery Box. And all because people made theories about why the hero had such a weird shape in the tapestry from BotW.
9:49 I think it’s all the so far in the future all of its events from each time line happened or it’s a triforce wish and that’s why you don’t see the triforce in botw and totk
honestly with echoes of wisdom calling the triforce the prime energy and such im wondering if it takes place during the unified timeline. presumably next to nobody knows about the triforce (impa in skyward sword suggests it should be scrubbed from history to zelda and link who id assume hide all evidence of it, maybe even including its name) and also the fact that they hadn't established death mountain as a name yet and still call it eldin volcano
They also seemed to have no knowledge of the reincarnation cycle. Like, they didn't know Link or Ganon/dorf, made no mention of a legendary hero or any of the usual pieces of the puzzle. The exception being the prophecy about a priestess and hero(?) Which in my opinion clearly referred to a specific event, not an ongoing cycle. There was also no mention of sages or anything from ALttP/ALBW story-wise, despite the setting, and we get both River and Sea Zora again for the first time since the Oracle games iirc. A lot lines up for it to be a unified timeline after many generations so only vague information was passed down, and only within the royal bloodline.
The merged Timeline doesn't make any sense. You can't have three versions of history. Hyrule either flooded before Windwaker or it didn't. It can't have fllod but also didn't flood. Also is someone has a kid in one timeline and then another kid with someone else in another timeline does that mean that eventually someone will have two versions of the ancestors or will there be two different people? It just doesn't make sense. Also, I personally believe that the items like Majora's Mask and the previous Hero costumes in TOTK are not canon. Majora's Mask is seen in A Link Between Worlds but I am fairly certain no one believes that to be THE Majora's Mask. Also as you said, the Goddess Sword is there which we know is impossible. I am convinced they are just easter eggs and nothing more.
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories I have been constantly baffled by the idea of a merged timeline and always wondered how people propose that is works. Did you know the Titanic sank, but it also didn't. The timelines merged.
Of course it's not something that can happen IRL but this is a fictional story full of magic and alternate dimensions and split timelines. There are many, many other stories that involve timeline or universes merging, like how the Elder Scrolls has the Dragon Break where all 7 ending happened at the same time and the timelines all merged.
Of course it's not something that can happen IRL but this is a fictional story full of magic and alternate dimensions and split timelines. There are many, many other stories that involve timeline or universes merging, like how the Elder Scrolls has the Dragon Break where all 7 ending happened at the same time and the timelines all merged.
@@Shinntoku Sure, but as much as it doesn't make sense in the real world, it also doesn't make sense in Zelda. I haven't played the Elder Scrolls so I don't have an opinion on it, but I have played Zelda and the reasons I expressed, it doesn't make sense. The Great Flood can't have happened but also didn't. If the timelines merged, there would be three Master Swords. What causes it? One day does everyone just accept there are three versions of the past? Botw has been put after all the timelines and the meaning for that can be debated. But having the timelines merge is the most baffling one to me and I find it kinda ridiculous. I am not saying people can't subscribe to said theory, but this is my take and I can't disagree with it harder.
your assuming that termina and hyrule are same place when they're clearly not termina is definitely a parallel world somewhat connected to hyrule threw a portal or something or whatever that tree pit is at the beginning of majora also, spirit tracks is on a completely different island where the technology was made by different people and just adopted by the new hylians if I remember correctly The 2 whales are physical beings that technically just created the dream realms that they inhabit kind of for the wind fish, it is literally his dream, but for the other one, I'm not entirely too sure, but they are physical beings so they probably died at some point also, the timelines converging. There's a video of a guy explaining it on TH-cam, search it up the specific term is known as a dragon break Ganondorf was originally planned to be in majora with a counterpart but was cut out of the game & the kiqui & koroks are seperate cuz the koroks were originally the kokiri but transformed into the koroks thanks to the great Deku tree willing it so with his magic
inconsistent- their original appearance in OoT and also in TP and BotW/TotK they live in a river, but in MM and EoW they live in the sea, and in EoWs case are explicitly sea zora, though they dont seem to be physically unable to spend small amounts of time in the opposite salt/freshwater as demonstrated in the jabu jabu chase scene
if a down fall timeline is needed it shoud spilt from minsh cap the 1 zelda game that has a bad ending, and I like the 4sword not being the master sword more like Fi little sister. the timeline mage is dumb no one acounts for the 7 year time skip outside of counting Colin from tp zelda as being wind waker link across timelines.
The Reason why the Triforce split in Twilight Princess is because in Ocarina of Time Link traveled back in Time by Zelda to warn the Royal Family about Ganondorf and also life his Childhood and you know Majoras Mask happened. Because of that there where 2 Triforce of Courage in that time because at that point the Triforce wasn’t split. That’s why it split because of imbalance, there can’t be two Triforce Pieces of Courage.
Gorons don’t necessarily have to be cannibals just because they’re made of rocks and eat rocks. They also don’t just eat any random rock that they find. They specifically eat something called rock roast. Humans and cows are both made of meat, but eating a hamburger doesn’t make me a cannibal.
I feel honoured that my ‘ganondorf not touching the triforce’ is considered one of the dumbest
For the Zora and Goron tunics, I always just assumed they were for Hylian visitors/tourists (we know the Royal Family at least has visited them.)
Yeah this. The Gorons in BotW explicitly sell the fireproof suit for the same reason
I assume that Hyrule keeps losing technology because very time Ganon wins it's a civilization-ending event. We just don't usually hear about the times Ganon wins.
The ending of this video made me think about how far apart some of these eras really are.
The rhyming history, the “founding” of Hyrule, the imprisoning wars.
I believe the entire TOTK timeline (past/present) seems so far apart of one another in its own story, but takes place and even more lucrative amount of time after everything tied to all the stuff that happened around Ocarina of Time.
Ancient ancient ancient history. Entire resets of the whole universe
Hyrule is literally on decline by the Zelda 1 and Adventure of Link, so yeah, Hyrule is on a constant cycle of progress and decline
when the time lines “merge” id just assume that means that no matter what timeline you follow, they all eventually lead to 1 inevitable timeline, being Botw/ToTK
tbh Zelda II, ST & FSA are actually quite similar, so its a good starting point for them to converge
If that’s the case that still means there is 3 separate timelines yknow
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories with a BotW each which are so similar that you cant tell the difference anymore
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories Yeah, i mean im with you on how silly and confusing the timelines are. Like realistically any death in any game could branch a new timeline. I just think there intention is that 3 of the separate timelines eventually collapse into one. Like 3 rivers merging into one big river. All with different water flow speeds, different fish and sediment, but ultimately collect in 1. But that’s the only way i can think to make sense of it all. As yeah Zelda is confusing and weird 😂
The timeline version of everything becoming crab
Honestly most of this "dumb lore" makes perfect sense if you think about it
If you make fanfiction about it yeah sure
@@marvinourokadij4179 some of us like putting together the pieces of the puzzle rather than getting everything in the story spoon-fed to them
You can say that but can you explain how it makes sense?
@@elio7610it’s a video game, a video game with magic and reincarnation and talking fish. And you want everything to make sense?
For number 13 the most commonly believed theory as to why the triforce is like that is that when the hero of time went back in time he brought his piece with him which ended up splitting the triforce instead of making to triforces of courage (which thank goodness that would be confusing) and its theorized that the triforce can be passed down to descendants, thats just the theory i like to believe
If you’re familiar with the lore of the elder scrolls there’s someithing known as a dragon break, where much like in Zelda, the timeline splits and remerges so anything that could have happened did. A messy concept to be sure but I think what it implies is that by the time things converge back on a single timeline enough time has passed that history and legend are indistinguishable, so it’s impossible to say what did or didn’t happen
But what does that meannnnnnnn
@@AbsurdZeldaTheoriesbasically Daggerfall had seven different mutually exclusive endings and so when making Morrowind Bethesda decided that in order not to abrogate the players choices by saying 'time in the iliac bay region shattered and became non-linear and thus all the endings happened at once' what this looks like in universe for those outside the area is that one day the region was a patchwork of squabbling duchies on the brink of all out war then suddenly three days later there's just a few stable and prosperous kingdoms. For those in the area it looked even weirder since some remembered only a day passing and others much longer than three days... and a lot of them remembered mutally exclusive things.
Then Bethesda thought 'this us a good idea' and ran with it leading to them creating the lore that there have been at least two other Dragon Breaks in Tamriel's History.
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories there’s also the theory that it all comes back together in hyrule warriors
Number 7, their both allied with Hyrule so they probably sell it exclusively for Adult Hylians.
Easiest solution for a timeline merge is Hyrule warriors, as it takes place in a universe with influence from all timelines due to magic time shenanigans. It's the perfect fix for the timeline, but Nintendo refuses to accept it as canon.
Number 21, I remember the map being flipped having no idea where to go, so I ended up deleting Hero Mode.
Lololol
Explaining ancient rito is easy. After the Zora became Rito, more time passed^^
It's hinted at heavily in BOTW and TOTK that the Triforce is inside Zelda, probably having inherited it from Rauru.
That's nonsense. Just because the Triforce symbol is on her hand, doesn't mean she has the triforce. In fact SS tells us that the full Triforce symbol is a symbol of the god's which indicate that person has sacred power. I will fight anyone that says BOTW Zelda was BORN with the Triforce inside of her, makes zero sense. I could see 1 piece of it but the full triforce? No way.
@@nworder4life That's not the only evidence. You can watch Monster Maze's video on it if you want. But being born with the entire triforce already has precidence in the lore, inclduing SS's Link.
@@raymiemiller1455 No, I don't think seeing the triforce in the waking water means he always had the triforce, Hylia literally says to him "The mark you see upon your hand proves you are the legendary hero and that within you dwells sacred power. If you can obtain the ACTUAL triforce" and I apologize if the quote isn't fully correct but that's what she said "If you can obtain the actual triforce" How the hell does it make sense to be born with the Triforce but SS Link has to go on a quest to make himself worthy of it? The full Triforce you get to make a wish, a piece of it you get to use that piece's individual power. That's the lore. Zelda 2, Link got the symbol of the full triforce before ever getting the Triforce of Courage.
BOTW Zelda's mark simply means she has sacred power and that's from the blood of Hylia. Just like every other Zelda in all the other games had magic or telepathy or w/e, it comes from Hylia's blood.
Honestly, the downfall timeline should be the original OoT timeline, in which Link lifts the Master Sword and disappears, with the child timeline being a separate one that Link enters when he places the Master Sword back in its pedestal.
Also, the Era of the Wild should’ve just taken place in the distant future of the adult timeline, with the Zonai attempting to recreate Hyrule and that’s why so many similar names and events with different people happen.
The dragons don't have the same name as in Skyward Sword. They are similar because they're made from the Goddesses names.
Din -> Eldin -> Dinraal
Farore -> Faron -> Farosh
Nayru -> Lanayru -> Naydra
According to quantum theory, the "three-dimensional threads" are destined to merge like an inverted umbrella, oh boy the magic and science is hard to explain in a video game.🧑🔬🧙♂
The Twlight Princess triforce point isn't dumb lore, it's a consequence of Ocarina of Time. Zelda send Link back at the end before Ganondorf got the Triforce, but because Link still has the Triforce of Courage when he returns to the past the Triforce splits and goes anyway to maintain that (as seen by the triforce mark on young Link's hand at the end of the credits) But Ganondorf didn't know he had the Triforce of Power until the Sage's tried to execute him - the "Divine Prank" that he somehow had the power of the gods and they didn't know how, and Twilight Link and Zelda are direct descendants of their Ocarina counterparts and their Triforce pieces have stayed hidden within them through the bloodlines
Young link ha in the triforce on his hand at the end of the game doesn’t mean he has the triforce. We actually see in Oracle games and I think in some others is appear on the hand of a charecter but not be present within them. We actually see this at the end of wind Waker too.
@AbsurdZeldaTheories the Oracle games I can't account for and maybe that's to do with the Capcom production and but fully understanding the lore, but seeing as ocarina introduced the hand thing, specifically, as described in game, as a sign that the person carried a piece of the triforce and the young link model didn't have it previously, it's pretty clear what's being implied and fully makes sense within the narrative of Twilight Princess what has happened.
I feel full of Prime Energy watching this video.
#1 The light force can be explained by the fact that it is Hylia's powers that are passed on from SS Zelda to all her descendants.
#3 The fact that nobody is talking about the lack of Shikah technology is probably because all the characters in TotK have been living without traces of this technology for, probably, a few years now.
Also, some of the missing things can be explained by the assumption that Purah and Robelo rebuilt them into other things, and the ones that are strange, like the Shrine of Resurrection and very remote traces, wouldn't even be noticed by most characters.
#4 As for Goron procreation, that's a bit weird really, for one thing it was stated in BotW that Gorons are genderless and in TotK it was implied that Gorons are born from the stone itself from the mountains, which doesn't quite fit with the claim that Yunobo is supposed to be a descendant of Daruk and the Sage of Fire.
That's why I don't think the sage from ALBW is a half-Goron, but simply a Hylian acknowledged by the Gorons.
#7 As already suggested in other comments, the tunics were probably intended for Hylian visitors.
#9 As you can see from the drawings in the bomb store, the moon of Termina has probably always been smaller and closer to the earth's surface than in our world or Hyrule, which in turn supports the theory that Termina is located in another dimension and is connected to Hyrule via the tree trunk in the Lost Forests and possibly also through a portal in the Gerudo Desert (according to a theory).
In short, it is another moon in a separate world, which is only connected to Hyrule in a few places.
#11 According to the backstory, the rails were created by the gods (in the german version, the american one uses Spirits) to lock away Malladus, and we also learn that the spirit train was also created by them, I assume that the Hylians simply learned how this train works and then built their own to use the rails that already exist anyway. The reason we don't see any more trains after Spirit Tracks is because the adult timeline has no more games and New Hyrule is on a completely different continent than all the others.
#13 Because Link travels to the past with the Triforce of Courage at the end of OoT, the other parts are also given to Zelda and Ganondorf in the past, so the Triforce of Courage from OoT is inherited by Link to his direct descendant TP Link and by Zelda to Zelda, while Ganondorf simply keeps his.
#15 Depending on where you place the time of Rauru and Zonia, you could argue that the imprisoning war of TotK takes place before the one from OoT/aLttP or so far after that people didn't even know the one from OoT/aLttP existed.
#16 There is a theory that the Zora became Rito because the gods made it so, to prevent them from reaching ancient Hyrule.
#22 The official explanation for the heroes in TriForce Heroes is that the hero we are playing is the Hero of Hyrule from ALBW, while the others are unknown Hylians.
#26 As I understand it, LA is a dream of the Windfish, which is forcibly maintained by the nightmares, by ensuring that the Windfish cannot wake up, during the dream, people from different worlds are drawn into it, such as Link, Richard and Mamu, through which the dream grows and gains new elements, such as Gumbas through Mamu.
The realm of the Ocean King, on the other hand, is, to my understanding, a parallel world connected to Hyrule, in which time runs much faster than in Hyrule and which is protected by the Ocean King.
As can be seen at the end of LA, the Windfish is in Hyrule and the Ocean King can certainly enter Hyrule as well.
#27 My version of merging the timelines looks similar to what happens in Hyrule Warrior only bigger and more permanent. I assume that old Hyrule from WW is still flooded and the water then destroys or severely devastates the parts of Hyrule from the other timelines, causing the other kingdoms to disintegrate, then the Hylians begin to gather among the descendants of the royal families, who now fulfil the role of priests, the old kingdoms slowly become legends, the Sonai return from the sky and Rauru founds a new Hyrule with the current highest priestess Zonia. In the meantime New Hyrule remains in existence and is either unaware of the merge or becomes a trading partner/ally to the new Hyrule.
#28 The Four Sword divides Link into his four strongest characteristics. At least that's how I understand the manga wich deals with this topic the most.
#30 The explanation I've seen most often is that LA was pushed before the Oracle games in order to say that Link survived LA and didn't die.
#32 Since we know from TotK that the dragons in the wild era were once Sonai, and we also know from Zelda and Ganondorf that the dragons' appearance has similarities to the previous bodies, I think the dragons as well as the flying whale from SS were created directly by Hylia and died over time, since we can see two of them die in SS and BotW/TotK anyway.
#33 The reason why Rito and Zora exist in BotW/TotK is because not all Zora were living in Hyrule when it was flooded, which is also validated by the fact that Yona (Sidon's fiancée) comes from a Zora kingdom that is outside of Hyrule.
Zoras also live in Labrynna (Oracle of Ages).
#34 That Gorons are cannibals just because they eat stones is the same argument as saying that Zoras are cannibals because they eat fish or that humans are cannibals because they eat mammals.
#41 The parts of the Triforce react with each other when they are close together, so in the Wind Waker it was not an ability of Ganondorf himself. In OoT, I think Ganondorf was able to capture Zelda so quickly because he was watching Link, or he senses most things near his tower.
14:12 “When you call my name.” -Madonna
Termina isn't in the same world as Hyrule. The Majora's Mask manual literally calls it "a kind of parallel world that is similar to and yet different from the land of Hyrule".
Am I missing something with the 1st one? Why would you think that's the triforce?
the whale skeleton quest in breath of the wild tells you how this works. its the legend of zelda. yes the light force is the triforce so is the secret stones, yes the loftwings minish and occa are the same thing, yes that is the same imprisoning war yes totk and skyward sword show the founding of hyrule. yes the wind fish and the ocean king are the same story. yes the master sword, the four sword, the locomo blade, and the phantom sword are the same sword. these are all retellings of the same event. there are only so many events in the true zelda timeline. and likley none of the games tellings of any of them is accurate as to what happened.
For the Dream whales, it's rather simple, these whales exist outside their respective dream realms, it's just that they are capable of bringing outsiders into them.
You FOOL! The goddess is named FARORE! Hand in your badge and see yourself out
Dang you’re right, I realised after editing but admittedly just left it in. My b XD have my badge
The Reason why the Triforce split in Twilight Princess is because in Ocarina of Time Link traveled back in Time by Zelda to warn the Royal Family about Ganondorf and also life his Childhood and you know Majoras Mask happened.
Because of that there where 2 Triforce of Courage in that time because at that point the Triforce wasn’t split. That’s why it split because of imbalance, there can’t be two Triforce Pieces of Courage.
an idea of how three timelines converge into one is: All three are classified as legends passed down over time but the actual truth is lost. Remenerants of each exist proving that branch exists, but counters do exist. Making the timeline the Legends of Heroes. I hope that is one dumb overthinking way of looking at it.
@4:37 isn't spirit tracks chronologically at the end of its timeline? I guess that's the only timeline that developed trains
Matpat had a theory that Hyrule Warriors is the 'Merge' of the Timelines, and that BotW and TotK come after that.
#11: Spirt Tracks is the last game in the Adult Timeline, other than (as far as we know) BotW and TotK, which take place far in the future and after numerous Calamities.
Didn't Null touch and wish upon the PRIME FORCE in Echoes of Wisdom?
Unlike A Link to the Past, the Triforce doesn't grant that wish and still splits! Even more stupid is the fact that Null then decided he needs to gather the pieces again (as if it will be different this time) and tells Zelda that it doesn't have time for her.. what!? She is right there holding a piece of the Triforce it wants!
Okay Termina isn't confirmed to be in the same dimension as Hyrule so that is probably why the moon doesn't have to be bigger. It could be another case of Hyrule being different from Lorule being different from Termina.
No, Gorons don't eat their young - Ground and Rock are two different types! I'd expect you to know this! Lol
1:59 Easy. They're all aliens. Aliens are canon from Majora's Mask, and since they all came from the sky they're assumed to come from thr gods.
3:16 I firmly stand by my opinion that Twilight Princess should be fully titled as "The Legend of Midna: Twilight Princess." Heck, Hilda had a bigger role than Zelda in a "Link Between Worlds."
8:28 Honestly, all the alternate timelines are dumb. The Adult timeline happens because Link remains in the Temple of Time until he's old enough to wield the Master Sword. Except he's sent back & leaves the temple, meaning that he's no longer inside it. This means that, if we're following the official Timeline, that MM & TP are the only true Zelda games after OoT. The other timelines just don't exist.
8:09 the three links aren’t actually “links”. Only the green one is link and he’s the same link from A Link Between Worlds. The other two are different people who look like link lol
I don't remember where I saw it, but I vaguely remember hearing that the red one is a girl hiding her gender because everyone assumes the prophecy is about three guys, even though the prophecy never explicitly mentions gender, just the sideburns.
I think Hyrule Warriors is actually canon, and that’s how the timelines “merged”. BotW takes place after HW
The reason that Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf posses their respective pieces of the triforce in Twilight Princess is because in Ocarina of Time, future Zelda used the ocarina of time to send Link back in time just before he pulled the master sword. And since he still possesed the triforce of courage, it had to correct itself by splitting into 3 pieces. Even though Ganondorf never got access to the Sacred Realm.
However, this theory has flaws as well. Like how does the triforce of courage remain with Link? Wouldn't it just go back to the sacred realm, what about the triforce of courage in the future? Did it break into 8 shards upon Link's departure from that timeline, or did someone decide to shatter it?
My few cents on some of these:
I like the theory that the Zonai and Kokiri are connected. they share a vaguely similar silhouette and origin story. To explain the difference maybe just some surviving Zonai all shrunk themselves using magic and the their descendants forgot their exact origins after however many generations.
Spirit Tracks Train issue is easy, because it is the last game in the Adult Timeline and it takes place on a whole other continent than Hyrule.
Links Awakening and Phantom Hourglass being set in dream realms created by magical whales doesn't make the whales are dreams themselves. So their whale Skeletons showing up in BotW isn't out of the question.
Also 100% agree Oracle games coming before LA makes the most sense and the reordering is just dumb.
Gorons coming from the ground and eating rocks is perfectly fine. Not all stone is the same, there are many different minerals, and Gorons are just a more sentient variety.
One guess for how a Big Goron happens is either a Goron that just lives long enough and gorges himself on a bunch of rocks, or maybe he is just born from the ground like that. Rocks can come in many shapes.
1. That’s the light source….Zelda is stated multiple times to be a sage of light.
7. It’s made super obvious in various games, including OoT that Hylians visit the Zora and Gorons…
8. Zelda 2 is called the legend of Zelda in Japan.
9. Did you miss the part where Termina isn’t in the same world as Hyrule?
11. Spirit Tracks takes place in the adult timeline, it’s the last game in that timeline, that’s why you don’t see it later. It’s also not the only game to have advanced tech. Trains aren’t that advanced to begin with
12. Someone conveniently left out the fact that the king can teleport
13. Bruh are you dumb? TP Ganondorf is the ganondorf from OoT. And both TP Link and Zelda are descendants of their OoT counterparts. The triforce can be passed down 🤦
14. In a series with alternate timelines and worlds, you’re seriously questioning other forms of life?
16. Illusory doesn’t mean intangible
19. it’s been established multiple times that the master sword isn’t the only legendary sword
Stopped watching at 8 minutes, such a waste of time. For someone who makes Zelda content, this dude knows next to nothing besides surface level content. Must be one of those people who skips through text. I’m surprised he takes the time to skim through the books
Isn't it obvious that they sell the tunics for Hylian visitors?
Saw something recently that nintendos official botw/totk timeline is just its own completely different timeline/dimension that does not connect to the others. makes a lot more sense especially with how they literally just retell the story of OoT again but with zonai and rito and time travel shiz
Why did Link time travel 7 years when he took up the Master Sword in OoT? I recall the reason given was because he was too young to be a hero. The Hero of Winds wasn’t aged up nor were any of the other Links who took up the Master Sword besides the Hero of Time.
What if Link did not age seven years, wielded the Master Sword, and collected the medallions as a child rather than as an adult? He defeats Gannondorf, but falls to Gannon. Something happens to cause the gods to intervene such as someone wishing on the Triforce or Zelda playing the Ocarina of Time like at the end of the game. The gods don’t seem to intervene- Not in this timeline anyway.
The seven year intervention would be a reaction to the downfall turn of events. This explanation makes me not hate the downfall timeline nor its genesis. It also helps explains why other Links don’t time travel when they pull the Master Sword. Imagine if Netflix did a Legend of Zelda series that’s just Ocarina of Time the show until Link pulls the Master Sword and doesn’t time travel. The idea would then be to follow the events of the downfall timeline, but imagine fans reaction to that happening. 😅They’d be on that shit like Star Wars fans on Jar Jar Binks.
Spirit tracks is the last one of its timeline, thats why we don't have any other trains :/
The Light Force has a Different Lore than the Triforce.
The Triforce is the Omnipotent Power of the Creator Goddesses that they used to create everything to drive back the Nothingness.
The Light Force is the energy made by the Minish by Life Force that dwells within humans and other living things and can be extracted by making Humans happy.
Every Rupee and every Amulett they find within Grass comes from the Minish, it makes humans happy and thus they create more Life Force that manifests as Force Gems which the Minish then used to put them together into one single object.
The Light Force is not tied to the Goddesses, but the one Goddess we could make the closest connection to it would be Farore - the Goddess of Courage and Creator of Life.
i saw another video somewhere that explains it. some zora left hyrule before it flooded. others became the rito. the era of the wilds takes place such an unfathomable long time after the other games that the zora who left made there way back to the no longer flooded hyrule. thats also how there can be ancient Rito, because by this point rito have been around for 1000s of years
I only was able to do the first third or so so far; I might try and do more tomorrow if I have time; but here are some responses/explanations; their canon-ness is not 100% guaranteed (but honestly, neither is anything Nintendo says either; they’ve contradicted the games lots of times in official sources, and some of the games have contradicted each other or even themselves every once in a while), but the consistency is definitely high (I've put a *lot* of thought into Zelda Lore):
1 - I think the Light Force is basically the Sealing Powers of Light (aka, the Domain of Hylia from back when she was a goddess) being essentially given back to her and her bloodline as a Mortal, the details of exactly why and how she earned it are clearly part of the as-of-yet unmade game with the Hero of Men vs the Horde of Beasts (and the oldest known reference to Ganon).
2 - Yup, Zonai can reproduce with the human races (the ancient Hero’s Aspect has traits that look sort of half-way between Zonai and Hylian; being that the First Calamity event would have taken place probably only a few centuries after the TotK past-era) and probably several other mortal races are comparable as well.
3 - Gloom and Malice are not the same thing, Malice is a physical manifestation of Ganon (Ganon has long had dominion to some degree over monsters, as implied in the aforementioned Minish Cap opening; and Malice grows monster-parts and spawns monsters sometimes); whereas Gloom is one of Ganondorf’s dark, forbidden sorceries being boosted by the Secret Stone, being more ethereal and much less physical in form than Malice was. I have a theory that Gloom is specifically the stolen/gathered power from the remnants of a powerful Demon; in the class of beings like Demise, Malladus, Bellum, and The Shadow Nightmare (the last two of which specifically have abilities that drain power/life, like Gloom) all of whom are specifically established to be able to harm gods and divine beings (thus Gloom breaking the Master Sword and overpowering Zonai like Rauru/Mineru even when armed with divine artifacts and or while being simultaneously burned away by Light Powers]) and who probably took a form with many hands and eyes, which is notably the only shape other than a copy of Ganondorf himself that the Gloom solidifies into.
4 - What happened to the Sheikah Tech is the same thing as what happened to it long ago when it was first “lost”, it was always specifically designed for the express purpose of appearing to help fight Ganon when Destiny called to it; and while there were lots of factors involving theories and details about the Sheikah and that specific plan that would take way too long to get into; they basically probably did some time+destiny stuff to disappear once they were no longer needed (plus needing to make way for the similar time+destiny-pulled arrival of the Zonai stuff).
5 - I don’t think he’s half Goron; I think he’s probably very Goran-coded due to likely being a Goron in many of his previous lives (it’s pretty clear from many things that while souls usually stay on pretty similar paths throughout reincarnation, they can definitely cross species boundaries).
6 - The Picori, Zonai, and Locomo are, I think, pretty clearly all similar in classification (the Oocoo are weirder and they and the Loftwings have less reliable in-universe sources, so they might be slightly different); but those other 3 seem to be semi-divine races of servants and messengers deliberately constructed by and for the gods (although their souls seem to be essentially no different than particularly spiritually-potent mortal souls, so they are former mortal souls who were worthy servants [like Rauru, the long-time sage of Light and/or guide to the Hero] chosen to essentially semi-ascend and be placed in these new special bodies). Fi might be an example of a constructed servant with an actual artificial soul instead of a a chosen mortal/minor spirit soul (perhaps that was something very few gods have the power to do, so usually they do this other method instead).
7 - I suspect that the Triforce was basically used up in reconverging the timelines prior to TotK (essentially diffusing itself practically out of existence throughout creation to hold the formerly contradictory worlds together). The Secret Stones are the gods’ new, weaker (still powerful, but less existentially-threatening levels of reality warping) artifacts given to the Mortals for their use in time of great need; so yeah, they are essentially in-universe, successors inspired by the Triforce.
8 - The Goron and Zora tunics are likely not entirely literal, basically a technology/game-asset contrivance to stand in for some more appropriate artifacts or enchantments in-universe.
9 - it’s actually worse than that; because that’s not a second Zelda being introduced via legend of herself in the only game not named after the legend of herself in Zelda 2, that’s the “first” Zelda, she predates the Zelda still hanging around from LoZ and when she was named, there were no records or memories of any previous Zelda (as it had been many centuries since there had been one in that timeline).
10 - The size of the Moon is again probably something of a non-literal representation due to technological limitations; the face (and the moment where the Moon says something about hunger or consume when Majora starts to pull it down again, which always looked to me like that was the Moon speaking, not Majora) implies to me that it is or contains some entity (probably a god of the Moon or a god locked in the Moon or something) that Majora was summoning or tapping into to call it down.
11 - Yes, the temple of the Four Sword exists there, as Minish Cap and Four Swords happen before the timeline split, which means that it technically exists in each of the Timelines (and I think shows up in Four Swords Awakening, which takes place in the [incorrectly named] “child” timeline).
12 - Because we only have 2 games that take place after it (nothing in it’s own timeline and then TotK and BotW post-reconvergance, with uncountable things lost and forgotten in the mixing of largely incompatible timelines and then centuries and centuries of unknown events and eras before another Hyrule is finally refounded prior to Tears of the Kingdom’s backstory bits.
13 - The blocking of the scene is a little unclear for sure, but also, as you said, the King of Red Lions is a ghost; that’s a possible reason why he could essentially sneak up on it, ghosts aren’t always fully visible.
14 - They don’t actually have the Triforce in TP; it’s still locked away in the Sacred Realm (as here, Link and Zelda never opened it); the Crest doesn’t always mean they physically have a piece, just that they are chosen and blessed by the Triforce and are deemed worthy of it (the blessing is active in this timeline due to some slightly complex to explain but does-technically-make-sense leftover time travel shenanigans from OoT); it’s this blessing that Ganondorf draws on for the Power to survive his Execution and a few other things, but when he’s beaten by another Herald of the Triforce (TP Link) the Blessing essentially leaves him and he is able to die.
15 - Maybe, they are referred to as ghosts in-game and official sources; so they might just be alien-coded ghosts or monsters of some kind.
16 - On the one hand, because they didn’t know about the other Imprisoning War, that was across timelines and like half-a-dozen sets of so-long-that-history-forgot-all-about-stuff ago. But mainly for the same reason that most incarnations of Link and Zelda are named Link and Zelda, or that Zelda works to guide and pave the way for the Hero to battle the forces of Darkness, or that Link several times has to gather three or sacred artifacts to gain access to a magical sword; or that an ancient whale-spirit is attacked by a parasitic demon or monster; because the entire core the series, what the story is all about, what the themes are about, even how the gameplay is designed, is about cycles of and patterns of destiny repeating over and over in new ages and new variations and new ways.
I have officially stayed up way later than I should have going through this, I'm done for now, good night...
What if Gorons escaped to Labrynna and Holodrum during Wind Waker's flood?
I don't have any conclusive reason why the light force and the triforce are two separate things but you could chalk it up to Capcom just doing their own thing with minish Cap
For me it's just the Triforce is godly energy while the Light Force is something that exists in small quantities in mortals
This was probably the case, but now the light force can be explained by the idea that it is Hylia's powers, which are passed on from SS Zelda to all her descendants.
Not a likely explanation. Keep in mind that game was directed by Hidemaru Fujibayashi, the current director of the series.
My guess it's that it was likely a concept that was intended to play a role later on in the series, but was later drop and/or was evolved into Zelda's sealing power.
I think the timeline merge operates on the same principle that if you live long enough you'll see time repeat itself. If you extend any one of the three timelines long enough you should in theory start to see reoccurring events, though likely in different orders. I believe calamity Ganon is essentially the long term outcome of so many years in all timelines
I think it says a lot that despite the Zelda continuity being pretty weak for most of the series, it wasn't until BotW and Tears that said continuity became a true liability.
Like I can agree that most of these bits of lore are dumb, but it never really bothered me until BotW and especially TotK. I guess it feels like most of the games simple felt like we were attributing connections where they weren't intended but BotW/TotK feel as though the developers were actively trying to say stop theorising dudes.
To me, the dumbest bit of lore is that the zonai are a completely new species that lives in the sky, built ancient robots and have a lost civilisation buried under the ground, built their own temple of time and worshipped Hylia... completely separate from the precursors in Skyward Sword's backstory who built the timeshift stone mining robots in Lanayru Desert's past.
Why do we need TWO super ancient, lost tribes of highly technologically advanced beings responsible for the eventual founding of Hyrule?
if the zonai came long after the old timeline: how can there be new Zeldas if the name "Zelda" was forgotten when Zonai-Rauru lived
Zelda went back to the past, was a secret stone sage and turned herself into a dragon as an ultimate sacrifices, the other sages bearing witness. Plus the monuments you can translate reveal that people gushed about her when she appeared in Rauru's Hyrule. Its possible Rauru and Sonia's children(?) Relatives started the naming tradition to honor her sacrifice
@@InvaderGIR98 and why is TotK-Zelda called Zelda?
there would be two different completly unrelated "original" Zeldas if it is some type of timeloop
Who’s to say the name Zelda was completely forgotten? Alternatively, it could be some sort of mystical fate thing that the name Zelda would come up in the royal family again.
@@fruit3193 Raru didnt recognize the name lol and "mystical fate thing that the name Zelda would come up again" is a very lame explanation
@@hokton8555 To be fair, it’s a Hylian name, not a Zonai one.
9:50 I mean... with portals to all different timelines appearing in Hyrule Warriors, having the portals expand to a point where the world just merges into one isn't too farfetched, right?
11:57 I think it’s they put Goron eggs in the rocks to warm them up or something like that
5 minutes into this video and I want to nerd rage about just how much you're getting wrong, but it's already way too much for one comment!
Last bit of dumb lore: totk
44, My fanon head canon is the Mushroom kingdom and hyrule are on the same planet and E Gadd moved away from Hyrule to the Mushroom Kingdom
Zelda is a reincarnation of the goddess Hylia. That's why she has powers.
If Zelda is a descendant of Sonia and Rauru then where is their kid(s)? They must of had at least one if Zelda exists.
1:51 Gorons are apparently closely related to Hylians.
You don't even see normal people in Goron Village and Zora's Domain. A normal Hylian can't even enter Zora's Domain.
4:09 I don't think this is canon.
5:14 Link had the Triforce of Courage when he went back in time so I guess the other 2 went to their owners for some reason.
I think the reason why the Zora evolved into Rito is because the sea is too dangerous to swim in.
Phantom Hourglass is not in a dream world. I think a parallel dimension.
I think BOTW and TOTK take place in the downfall timeline. There's a stone tablet that mentions Ruto being a sage which never happens in the child timeline. The Zora are possibly extinct in the adult timeline so that leaves the downfall timeline.
Link's Awakening should take place after the Oracle games. It makes more sense.
13:48 Ganondorf: And even though I can capture you in exactly the same way, I will leave you alone to go about your business.
15:33 The Kokiri evolved into Koroks. 15:37 I think that's true.
15:55 That number is One Quadrillion.
17:10 That face Ganon makes is hilarious.
I borrowed the switch version of skyward sword from a friend to see if I would like it and one of the collectable items looks like the power stones in tears of the kingdom to me.
For the love of god totks past takes place after every zelda game and before botw. Its a new hyrule kingdom. It has nothing to do with older games whatsoever
I'm pretty sure that is just the Triforce of Wisdom under a different name
#7 Hyrulian merchants probably for trading
#25 My understanding is because time travel is actually NECESSARY here it creates a new split, if no time travel happens Link dies unlike ecery other time time travel happens Link could still win without it so there's no other branching games
Breath of Wild and Tears of Kingdom are a retconed as a alternative timeline/universe to the entire serie.
Isn't the "Ancient Hero" from TOTK implied to be Rauru and Sonia's son?
no since the zelda on the same tapestry is clearly hylian
@@hokton8555 There's nothing stopping Zelda from being a Hylian though, I think
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Nope. There's nothing in game nor in Perfect Works that implies anything of the sort. They all just present it as a mystery... that's very likely to be just an empty Mystery Box.
And all because people made theories about why the hero had such a weird shape in the tapestry from BotW.
@@raymiemiller1455 they both would be as much zonai as the other one
When’s 50 more absurd Zelda facts
I love these lore videos, but I can’t get past the phrase “mingle” so pg Nintendo
9:49 I think it’s all the so far in the future all of its events from each time line happened or it’s a triforce wish and that’s why you don’t see the triforce in botw and totk
honestly with echoes of wisdom calling the triforce the prime energy and such im wondering if it takes place during the unified timeline. presumably next to nobody knows about the triforce (impa in skyward sword suggests it should be scrubbed from history to zelda and link who id assume hide all evidence of it, maybe even including its name) and also the fact that they hadn't established death mountain as a name yet and still call it eldin volcano
They also seemed to have no knowledge of the reincarnation cycle. Like, they didn't know Link or Ganon/dorf, made no mention of a legendary hero or any of the usual pieces of the puzzle. The exception being the prophecy about a priestess and hero(?) Which in my opinion clearly referred to a specific event, not an ongoing cycle.
There was also no mention of sages or anything from ALttP/ALBW story-wise, despite the setting, and we get both River and Sea Zora again for the first time since the Oracle games iirc.
A lot lines up for it to be a unified timeline after many generations so only vague information was passed down, and only within the royal bloodline.
Lets go. Loved all the birdkeeper vids and im sure thisll be a banger
Aw thanks mate, just a fun one ^_^
The merged Timeline doesn't make any sense. You can't have three versions of history. Hyrule either flooded before Windwaker or it didn't. It can't have fllod but also didn't flood. Also is someone has a kid in one timeline and then another kid with someone else in another timeline does that mean that eventually someone will have two versions of the ancestors or will there be two different people? It just doesn't make sense.
Also, I personally believe that the items like Majora's Mask and the previous Hero costumes in TOTK are not canon. Majora's Mask is seen in A Link Between Worlds but I am fairly certain no one believes that to be THE Majora's Mask. Also as you said, the Goddess Sword is there which we know is impossible. I am convinced they are just easter eggs and nothing more.
Yeah this 100%
@@AbsurdZeldaTheories I have been constantly baffled by the idea of a merged timeline and always wondered how people propose that is works.
Did you know the Titanic sank, but it also didn't. The timelines merged.
Of course it's not something that can happen IRL but this is a fictional story full of magic and alternate dimensions and split timelines. There are many, many other stories that involve timeline or universes merging, like how the Elder Scrolls has the Dragon Break where all 7 ending happened at the same time and the timelines all merged.
Of course it's not something that can happen IRL but this is a fictional story full of magic and alternate dimensions and split timelines. There are many, many other stories that involve timeline or universes merging, like how the Elder Scrolls has the Dragon Break where all 7 ending happened at the same time and the timelines all merged.
@@Shinntoku Sure, but as much as it doesn't make sense in the real world, it also doesn't make sense in Zelda.
I haven't played the Elder Scrolls so I don't have an opinion on it, but I have played Zelda and the reasons I expressed, it doesn't make sense.
The Great Flood can't have happened but also didn't. If the timelines merged, there would be three Master Swords. What causes it? One day does everyone just accept there are three versions of the past?
Botw has been put after all the timelines and the meaning for that can be debated. But having the timelines merge is the most baffling one to me and I find it kinda ridiculous.
I am not saying people can't subscribe to said theory, but this is my take and I can't disagree with it harder.
your assuming that termina and hyrule are same place when they're clearly not termina is definitely a parallel world somewhat connected to hyrule threw a portal or something or whatever that tree pit is at the beginning of majora
also, spirit tracks is on a completely different island where the technology was made by different people and just adopted by the new hylians if I remember correctly
The 2 whales are physical beings that technically just created the dream realms that they inhabit kind of for the wind fish, it is literally his dream, but for the other one, I'm not entirely too sure, but they are physical beings so they probably died at some point
also, the timelines converging. There's a video of a guy explaining it on TH-cam, search it up the specific term is known as a dragon break
Ganondorf was originally planned to be in majora with a counterpart but was cut out of the game
& the kiqui & koroks are seperate cuz the koroks were originally the kokiri but transformed into the koroks thanks to the great Deku tree willing it so with his magic
16:58 Logan Paul and KSI snuck into development
11:20 they had a secret stone as a snack
bird keeper toby?
Well, you definitely outdid yourself on this. They are absurd, but they are still canon. 😂
Haha thanks
BKT told me there would be Zonai Sex
You’re welcome
Actually theese are salt-water zora lol, the river ones are green
inconsistent- their original appearance in OoT and also in TP and BotW/TotK they live in a river, but in MM and EoW they live in the sea, and in EoWs case are explicitly sea zora, though they dont seem to be physically unable to spend small amounts of time in the opposite salt/freshwater as demonstrated in the jabu jabu chase scene
if a down fall timeline is needed it shoud spilt from minsh cap the 1 zelda game that has a bad ending, and I like the 4sword not being the master sword more like Fi little sister. the timeline mage is dumb no one acounts for the 7 year time skip outside of counting Colin from tp zelda as being wind waker link across timelines.
Oh, good morning!
great video contept
The Reason why the Triforce split in Twilight Princess is because in Ocarina of Time Link traveled back in Time by Zelda to warn the Royal Family about Ganondorf and also life his Childhood and you know Majoras Mask happened.
Because of that there where 2 Triforce of Courage in that time because at that point the Triforce wasn’t split. That’s why it split because of imbalance, there can’t be two Triforce Pieces of Courage.