It's strange to hear a snarky oversized cartoon hedgehog talk against immortality and explain how life should be treasured because of your time being limited.
That’s what I do 😂 I’m so pathetic, cuz everytime I get a sonic game, I hope in my mind before playing the game that the music is catchy 💀 Cuz if the music is not catchy then I don’t like the game
I love that Sonic is essentially fighting his philosophical antithesis here, and that Black Knight probably has the most character development for Sonic himself. It reveals to us the "why" in his fight, and as one commenter one time put it, "Sonic's philosophy becomes less 'Gotta go fast' and more 'Gotta do what I gotta do, and fast.'" What universe have I found myself in where a niche spin-off Sonic game evokes deep philosophical thought about life and mortality?
The same one where we got a cyborg ninja with magnetic powers and is 3 edges away from being a sonic oc talking about how the ideals of a person can shape our society
Everything comes to an end someday, so make the most of it. Kind of a hard life lesson to swallow for some people. And a character like Sonic has this ideology. I miss this kind of character telling of Sonic.
An anthropomorphic blue cartoon hedgehog conversing with the literal queen of fucking evil and all things darkness about the fact that we can't prevent death, as well as how someday everything that we cherish will come to an end eventually, and that we should do with our limited time what makes us feel complete, and treasure those experiences. This spinoff storytale series has no right having stories as thought provoking as this. Especially not in a Sonic game. I love it.
I think the best part is that in the previous game he stopped an evil Genie from destroying a world to soon so he litteraly will stop the worst from happening then go off and stop someone from overdoing it
This is the Sonic we needed a brave, determined, blue speedster dedicated to saving any world. Not a blue hedgehog trying to act cool and make cheesy puns and has no personality. THIS GAME GOT SONIC RIGHT
Yeah, it sounds cringe to the people who don't understand how Sonic talks... but putting it in normal terms instead of how Sonic normally talks, he's basically just saying; "Everything dies eventually, you just have to accept that." ...also, it was probably phrased that way because they still had to get the age rating they wanted. People like to hate on this era of Sonic but it genuinely had some great stories and amazing lines (let's be honest, the great stories are mostly held back by the gameplay more than anything)
*"Your selfishness is going to be the end of it all. Do you not understand?"* *"I already told you! I don't mind playing the bad guy every once in a while!"*
The last Sonic game with a final boss vocal track 14 years later... Frontiers: You held on pretty well, kid. You've earned that must needed rest now. I'll take it from here.
I mean, if we count that the main themes in Unleashed and Colors are vocal but they're lyricless in the boss version... That's not true at all. But i prefer to think what you think, pal :D
This games final boss is one of the emotionally deepest in the series. Summing it up to it's bare components, Sonic is fighting someone who's just afraid to die, and is willing to go to the extreme to make sure that she, as well as the people she loves, don't.
Funnily enough, I think the thing that drives this point home is the final boss of The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, where SPOILERS FOR ONE OF THE BEST GAMES IN THE SONIC FRANCHISE (fight me): The main antagonist in The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog is just a being that is afraid to lose its only friend. It doesn't want things to end, and *it's willing to hurt others to get it.* Which sonic defines as selfishness. Both Merlina and The Train are experiencing perfectly natural emotions and real pain, but they then inflict pain on others to get what they want, and when people are getting hurt, Sonic steps up to stop you, no matter how lofty your intentions are, or what you're going through. Hurting others is wrong.
@@micopen6719 The character analysis between the two games is interesting considering Black Knight was the last game we got of the Jason Griffith era. Roger's Sonic and Jason's Sonic both have fundamentally different perspectives on things, and it shows Sonic's progression as a character away from being a flawless protagonist. Jason's Sonic has a hero complex, but also a certain gentleness to him. He extends a hand of mercy to his foes, sparing even the likes of Merlina who wanted to end an entire world. Roger's Sonic on the other hand has a much more forceful approach to things. He's sick and tired of those who would lash out against others because of their own feelings, and is done showing them sympathy. That gentle side to him that he showed to his enemies is gone, as though his inner innocence is eroding away. If you become a threat to him or his friends, he's going to lay the smack down on you. Your happy ending is forfeit.
@@Crow_Rising Huh. While I prefer Jason's Sonic (in both character and voice), the idea behind Roger's Sonic ain't half bad. A more cynical take on the character, who, as he gets older, realizes that he can't always play the hero, and that some people just aren't worth it, and because of this, he garners a more rash personality because of it. It's kinda like he's aging with you and he's realizing that a lot of the world isn't black and white.
@@megaman15ish nah I'd say "what I'm made of" takes that spot on that the lyrics are so cool. Filled with that "you picked the wrong fight" vibe and how much of a seasoned warrior sonic is
I kinda miss the edge era Sonic was in. Yeah I get he's a cartoon character and all but one thing that separated him from Mario was that he HAD edge. You wouldn't get this kind of ridiculousness yet charming part of Sonic from Mario. Games like Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog, Secret Rings, Black Knight, etc. all gave me hype moments cuz it had edge. It felt cool. And I still think it does... Then again, the first game I got was Shadow the Hedgehog so......
JJ C you have a good point, and the last we saw Mario kinda edgy was in a football game, which was cool compared to those recycled Tennis and Golf, I wish Mario Sports had more variety, like a Mario Sports Mix.
I don’t think critics and sonic haters realise that sonic was always edgy. Saying that “the classic games were always good because they were simple and not edgy” shows how little research they do. sonic was marketed as cooler than everyone else, and now sega is too scared to do anything like this ever again because of critics.
Milky. Not really. Sonic was meant to be lighthearted & fun with cheezy dialogs than just being all dark & edgy. Yeah. Some dark storytelling can work. But not in an stupidest way like whatever Shadow the Hedgehog or Sonic 06 failed to tell an story. This is Sonic the Hedgehog. Not Final Fantasy or Mega Man X series.
JJ C I don’t mean edgy as in dark like shadow the hedgehog I mean edgy as in takes itself seriously. Sonic has an iconic edge that makes it so unique and different from all the other mascots which was what made him “the cooler” videogame back in the 90s. it’s been a staple of the franchise but the modern games from 2011 to onwards forget that.
My grandparents died when I was a kid. The knowledge that you will be here one day and gone the next was traumatizing for me as a 5 year old. For most of my young life, I struggled with existential death anxiety, even during my play through of this game. Sonic’s outlook of living life to its fullest because your time *is* limited really spoke to me, and frankly still does. To me, it translates to “do what you want as often as you can”. Want to spend an entire day playing video games? Go for it! Want to try your hand at skydiving? Do that too! Do what you wish for as long as you can, because one day, you won’t be able to. Thanks Sonic.
I didn't get this for a long time, but then I realized what Sonic is fighting against. Merlina wants to create a world that never ends, which is by definition a world that never changes. A world of Order and Stasis. What does Sonic represent? Chaos and Freedom. Ever since day one, Sonic has been fighting against the negative aspects of order (Eggman turning animals into robotic slaves) and he's never once wavered in his belief in freedom. So even if that means he needs to cause a world to end, Sonic is sticking by his guns. After all, what's the point of a world that never changes. Thank you Michael Moorcock for popularizing Order versus Chaos.
Once my brother almost beat Merlina in one attack, but then he turned the Wii off and back on because he thought he had broke the game, he hasn't been able to pull it off sense from what I know.
*With Me* Arrangement by: Jun Senoue Lyrics by: Johnny Gioeli Vocals: Emma Gelotte (Lead), Tinna Karlsdotter (Chorus) Lead Guitars: Marty Friedman Rhythm Guitars: Jun Senoue Bass: Takeshi Taneda Drums: Bobby Jarzombek *Lyrics:* You know, every world will have its end (have its end) And I'm here, to prove it all to you I am, who you don't think I am (think I am) All wrapped up in my evil plan I can taste the day (taste the day) Savor night (savor night) Spells beyond you As I watch you crawl Do you dare to fight (dare to fight) Evil's might (evil's might) I'll be the last one standing In a flash of light My eyes, (my eyes) are filled with curiosity You think, (you think) that you have power over me In this life, (this life) there's no room for you and me So turn away or face this day with me (Face the day with me) With me! (Face the day with me) You know, every world will have its test (have its test) Don't blame, for what I have become You know, every world will come to end (come to end) And I'll, create your final rest I can taste the day (taste the day) Savor night (savor night) Scream your dreams As you dare to fight, dare to fight My eyes, (my eyes) are filled with curiosity You think, (you think) that you have power over me In this life, (this life) there's no room for you and me So turn away or face this day with me (Face the day with me) With me! (Face the day with me) With me! (Face the day with me) With me... I can taste the day (taste the day) Savor night (savor night) Scream your dreams As you dare to fight, dare to fight My eyes, (my eyes) are filled with curiosity You think, (you think) that you have power over me In this life, (this life) there's no room for you and me So turn away or face this day with me (Face the day with me) With me...
@@ajrod3047 Yeah, blew my mind that Marty Friedman performed lead guitars on a Sonic track lol. Megadeth's my favourite band, and Sonic Adventure's Open Your Heart was my gateway into liking heavier music, so it was pretty surreal.
Doudoussin No, this is a mediocre game for those who care about Sonic. It isn't amazing, but its still in the upper half of Sonic games in my opinion. I'd much rather play this than Sonic the Hedgehog Episode 4, for instance
Black Knight is honestly the pinnacle of Sonic's character: he's a guy that loves adventure, freedom, and being a friend to those in need, occasionally throwing the one-liner and tease depending on the situation, namely when he's confronting Eggman or if he's confident in a situation. If only Pontac and Graff knew this about Sonic's character because in the meta era titles, Sonic's character is literally stripped of this sense of taking a situation seriously when need be or being a rebel that's willing to blow off something important if it means lending a helping hand, and what we have is a loud-mouthed, abrasive, overly confident, and obnoxious character that won't shut up and doesn't take things seriously; a shell of his former self. Here's hoping Sonic Frontiers changes this, especially with Ian Flynn as the new writer.
Good news, Frontiers Sonic is pretty close to this. He wise cracks, but he's got that sense of adventure and was literally fighting to save his friends until he couldn't even move any more. Here's to hoping if they continue the Frontiers style format for...Everything, with obviously more polish, we enter a Redemption Era.
of course there's nothing Excalibur can't cut through It's considered the Blade of Evil's Bane for a reason. sure the Legend of Zelda has Excalibur in it but it's usual name in those games is the Master Sword.
God these lyrics are perfect for Merlina. With them are her motivation in the battle as well her relationship with Sonic. She was someone Sonic didn’t even consider her to be, wrapped up in something she admits to be evil. That last part is amazing, as it shows she knows she’s in the wrong. It’s why Sonic is able to get her to stop and talk to her after the battle, she knows deep down she’s wrong.
@@Darkxtexi view it more as a back and forth Mine eyes i filled with this couristy You think that you have power over me In this life, there is no rule for you or me So turn away or face this day with me. You can view it as either or, but i rather view it as them just trying to tear down eachother stand on reality, You know every world will have it rest Don't blame me for what i have become No you know, every world will come to end, And i'll, put it to it's final rest Reads more as a back to forth as sonic corrects the darkness that is the broken logic of a world that never ends.
Fun fact: there was something called a "Legendary Pack" that only came out in France (which is where i live) and the only thing that i remember, is that in this pack, there was a special Wii Accessory: Caliburn.. You could literally place The Wiimote in the handle and play with the blade, it was so frickin' sick. And im kinda sad that today, i don't know where my Caliburn went, probably in some old box or something like that. Im too lazy to search anyway lol.
@@maxrichards3881 Probably, but who got the pack broooooo 😎😎 yh me, in the country of croissant and whatever. Jokes aside, my comment has a bit of misinfo since im pretty sure there was 2 or 3 other country where this pack was sold, still thats not alot when you think about it.
It's a shame that Sonic is "legally" not allowed to have dark stories and tones anymore according to critics yet they're the same people who eat it up when Mario has said dark stories and tones C'mon, let my blue boy have dark tones once in a while too ;~;
This game is almost 10 yrs old now. Too bad it became one of the scapegoats for people to point out when they say "Sonic can't be edgy" When story in this game is arguably great. The gameplay gets repetitive very quickly, but i somehow find it more enjoyable than Colors and I've come back to this game time and time again for fun. it's on my "most played Sonic games" list below S3&K and Generations
to be fair i loved both secret rings and black knight from a narrative standpoint. in fact i think secret rings and black knight has the best stories of any sonic game. now gameplay on the other hand secret rings can go into a ditch
merlina in-game: i wish to preserve all the world around me because i do not see the point in nothing lasting forever and everything falling into obsolescence. my methods may be cruel or unorthodox but my cause is noble, and i'm one of few sonic the hedgehog antagonists that truly falls under grey morality. her final boss music: HEEHOO I'M EVIL
Well she did cause a lot destruction while using the power of the scabbard. Remember how sonic and the knights of the round table had to evacuate castle town?
So my dad named me Arthur after King Arthur cause he loves history especially medieval history. It felt strange fighting a boss I was named after. Still this is one of my favourite Wii games.
I am named after king Arthur to so i was going crazy as a kid when I heard the ending saying sonic was king Arthur. And I with my young mind was like "whoa...I was ones sonic"
People are arguing whether it’s Sonic or Merlina’s point of view I actually think it’s both, and not them talking back and forth. While we know Sonic’s in the right, both of them are fine with being called evil for the sake of their cause. For Sonic, he said so early in the game and before the fight so I’d say it’s pretty clear but for Merlina I think because she gets redeemed fairly quickly deep down she knows what she’s doing is only feeding into her own sorrow so she’s fine with calling herself the villain as well. Also minor things such as “I am, who you don’t think I am” Applies to Sonic by Merlina underestimating him and to Merlina because of her twist villain thing. “You know every world has its end” applies to Sonic, because that’s what he believes but to Merlina it’s more mockingly because she plans to end Sonic’s world. All of this makes this song not only a banger but also rather genius in my opinion. But I’m probably over analyzing things.
Since the song can apply to either perspective, I just consider the original Merlina's perspective because it is more tragic sounding, while the Crush40 version is Sonic's perspective because it is more serious and dark.
@@drkspnova I had another idea that’s probably less likely. What if they’re imagining each other singing the song to them? I’ll explain. While Sonic is perfectly fine with others calling himself the villain he also still believes what Merlina is doing is wrong. That being said the original version is a bit more upbeat and even a little snarky so it reflects Sonic’s own personality which means it’s the reverse for the Crush 40 version. I believe that Merlina always had the intelligence to believe Sonic was right because she was able to conduct this scheme of hers but lacked the emotional maturity to accept it which ends up leading to her downfall and is what he helps her with after the fight. So “Every world has to end.” Could be Sonic knowing this about her in the original version and what Merlina imagines him aggressively calling her out for in the Crush 40 one.
So today I just found out that Marty Friedman plays the lead guitar on this track. I first played this game in elementary school and I became a huge Megadeth fan in High School so this is just mind blowing to me
This is it. This is the end of an era where Sonic writing could take itself seriously. There was no Baldy Nosehair, there was no overly edgy villain with a horrible backstory, there was no ”duh powa of fwindship can do anything” none of that. There was comedic but mostly serious writing. And we can tell that Sonic Team went all out on this one.
To be fair, the whole thing with "power of friendship" is fine on its own considering Heroes did it and it worked perfectly fine there - it was only bad in Forces because they felt the need to constantly have Sonic shove it down our throats throughout the entire game
this shows that video games made for children can still have deep though provoking themes for the adult audience instead of fart joke, disregard of the laws of physics that make f&f jealous, unfunny slapstick and the people responsible for publishing it shoving it down our throats despite everyone saying they don't like it with the cal-arts style that everyone is bored of by now
Of all the songs of final boss that has had the franchise, this is the most beautiful and most epic, I get the tears every time I replay the battle against the Dark Queen, those who are singing are Sonic and Merlina. With Me ... BEST SONIC FINAL BATTLE SONG EVER !!
You know, every world will have it’s end I’m here to prove it all to you I am who you don’t think I am All wrapped up in my evil plan I can taste the day Savour night Spells beyond you As I watch you crawl Do you dare to fight Evil’s might I’ll be the last one standing In a flash of light My eyes Are filled with curiosity You think That you have power over me In this life There’s no room for you and me So turn away or face this day with me Face the day with me With Me Face the day with me You know every world will have it’s test Don’t blame me for what I have become You know every world will come to end And I’ll create your final rest I can taste the day Savour night Scream your dreams As you dare to fight Dare to fight My eyes Are filled with curiosity You think That you have power over me In this life There’s no room for you and me So turn away or face this day with me Face the day with me With me Face the day with me With me Face the day with me With me I can taste the day Savour night Scream your dreams As you dare to fight Dare to fight My eyes Are filled with curiosity You think That you have power over me In this life There’s no room for you and me So turn away or face this day with me Face the day with me With me
As much as I love Sonic and the Black Knight... No. It isn't that underrated. Even all the good things don't make it easy for me to recommend to people, because if you aren't prepared for the controls, you're gonna have a bad time.
robert hagley "Hey, how do we make our game fun?" "Oh, how about good gameplay and nuanced storytelling and maybe some other stuff, like challenge?" "Challenge? Oh, make it impossible to control, I got ya". This game is emblematic of putting the challenge in the wrong place. Wrestling with controls isn't fun, it's just frustrating. When you intend perfectly well to do a thing, and the game's objectively awful controls prevent that, that's not a fault of the player. It's a fault of the game, and the people that made it. It's the game deciding "Oh, you're going to die now because you didn't WAGGLE THE FUCKING WII REMOTE HARD ENOUGH WHO MAKES FUCKING WAGGLE CONTROLS WHEN YOU COULD JUST AS EASILY MAKE IT A FUCKING BUTTON PRESS AND MAYBE THEN I'D BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE FUCKING GAME AND MAYBE IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO A WIDER FUCKING AUDIENCE THAT ENJOYS BEATING GAMES WITHOUT THE CONTROLS TRYING TO FUCKING BEAT THEM JESUS FUCK. Oh, I did finish Black Knight by the way.
@@twinostrich8045 The control wasn't even that difficult, as matter of fact it wasn't difficult at all for the most part, it's actually quite simple, especially for a Wii only game. Sorry it didn't come with a gamepad version for you to play in, but it was never as difficult as you claim, especially not impossible
sonic the hedgehog engages in a duel to the death against the granddaughter of the most renowned wizard in history while preaching about the temporality of life and the certainty of death
I definitely have come to REALLY appreciate any Sonic song, that has 2 versions of the vocals but this one has to be one of the most impactful ones to date. Crush 40 is awesome and all but the emotional side of the song is nailed here (lyrics help pull that off too).
A bit disappointed that this track wasn't included in the Frontiers' jukebox but we at least got some Secret Rings and Black Knight representation which is more than I could ever hope for, these games are my childhood and I love them so much
Link: I wield the Blade of Evil's Bane the master Sword. Sonic: That may be true but it has nothing on it's real life counterpart Excalibur which I wielded in a game based on the story of King Arthur & the knights of the round table.
I played this game as a little gremlin child and loved it, I was worried I was blinded by nostalgia before replaying this game, and while the gameplay can be monotonous and maddening at times, I enjoyed the godlike music and actually grew to like the sword combat, overall I'm happy to say I very much like this game!
@@theminecraft2516 I agree, that game is so bad. I have a bit of an attachment due to nostalgia from playing it as a kid. I remember having so much trouble controlling sonic.
@@pokekiller787x I think Darkspine Sonic suited Secret Rings tone, in concept Secret Rings is great with the iconic intro and everything but then the gameplay starts..........
Star Wars is cheesy, yet everyone loves Star Wars. Transformers Prime is what you might call edgy, yet it's one of the most popular TF shows to exist right along with the originals. Quite a few much loved shows, movies, and games are cheesy or edgy. I think too many people confuse "edge" with "depth". Just because a piece of media has cliches of some kind does not make it bad. I think the reason why Sonic has gotten this kind of reputation is because it took "taking itself seriously" to the extreme on multiple occasions and in very uncomfortable ways. And now because of that reputation SEGA has tried to reverse this problem and instead run into the issue in reverse. Now Sonic lacks any sort of edge to such an extreme that it outright mocks itself.
Its funny because even back in the classic days, they took itself seriously and those stories with the mentions of Gods, the mysteries of the islands, dimensions, ancient civilization wiped out, and even a connection between the rings and the emeralds(the original stories of those games not the west interpretation) that do leads to the adventure games and onwards. The only media of sonic back in the day that didn't was Adventures of Sonic the hedgehog. But yeah I agree with you.
@@lightgivemepower6425 The Classic era actually had a lot of depth for what it is. Look at Knuckles, for example, the plot of him being already the guardian of the emerald was there already. AND THE BEST PART IS THAT IT'S VISUAL STORYTELLING. YOU CAN S E E THE PROFECY MURALS OF SONIC AND EGGMAN ON THE WALLS.
I'm glad more people are starting to appreciate this game for what it is lately, it's a really solid game that was bombed by reviewers and was held back a bit by the wiis motion controls.
@YEP Ian Flynn could save this franchise being known as "a silly little blue ball". He may return us to this time. The time where Sonic had some of the most epic stories seen in a kids game. Sonic isn't just for kids, and Ian Flynn darn well understands that.
@YEP Oh that's sick dude! I was just introduced to Sonic when forces came out so I had no idea that Sonic was serious, and just ate it up. I eventually went to Mania, then found all the Sonic stuff I missed. So I've went back and played SA1 and SA2, Heroes, 06(which I quite enjoy lol), and all the games after, besides Lost world, which I'll get eventually. I now realize how much better Sonic was in terms of storytelling back then compared to the Sonic 2010-2019 games, and I'm currently going through all the Sonic games and Archie Comics,IDW, Series, etc. on the road to Frontiers. Overall, I'm so glad I found this franchise, and look forward to what it has in store!
no sonic isn't like that, the point of the battle for sonic to protect his philosophy. Sonic experiencing sadistic pleasure is waaaaaay out of character to ever happen.
Shadow and Infinite dueling for ultimate edge and Merlina is probably at a bar like: “I manipulated the protagonist to do what I want, wilted a flower because I could and got an epic song to boot. Why aren’t I in the conversation?” Scourge: “The game wasn’t that big of a success kid. Maybe if you get another chance. Even then, you gotta have the edge lord look and your boss fight has to be more difficult. What I’m saying is up your game.”
@@thephantomgamingbros.6329 Blaze: Yeah just like sharah and elise, In a game that is either mediocore or absolute garbage. Neither of you girls don't even have a fanbase and if by some miracle you do, ITS VERY SMALL. Sure, maria is in 2 games but she's only in flashbacks. Have you ever wondered why there havent been any human characters in sonic games in the past 12 years? Because every human character are from bad or mediocore sonic games. So all i can tell you is that you better hope Sega makes a Sonic and the black knight remake on the switch, or you'll just be that one role in a underrated game. See ya, don't wanna be ya.
I agree with it being underrated. The controls are good, the sword is a fun gimmick, the OST is freaking awesome, the graphics are nice, the gameplay is fast and fluent, the missions are mostly fun and challenge is hard but fair and it has the best story in the series IMO. I don't understand the hate for this game. I also did not grow up with Black Knight as Secret Rings always scared me away from it but just last year I finally gave the game a fair chance and its now in my top 10. That's just me though
"Why can you not understand how magnificent an everlasting kingdom would be?" "What I Can't understad is how you can call such a boring sounding place magnificent?"
What I like about this game is that it carries on the traditional Sonic plot twists of having the supposed main antagonist be overshadowed by another bigger evil. In this case, King Arthur is the supposed main antagonist, but gets superseded by Merlina. With Me is also a song that completely shifts from the medieval style music back to modern Sonic style, it is now a personal grudge match between two friends. Definitely not something you’d expect in a game set in the middle ages
I don't care what anyone says, this game is incredible. It's story, graphics, characters, voice acting, characterization, character dynamics, music.... anything you can think of and it's all there. It's not one of the best Sonic games but man it's so fun and enjoyable. Some of the games quotes are some of the best quotes in the series... Sonic telling the listener (and Merlina) that life doesn't go on forever and it's sad but that's why you live it to the fullest in the time you have and that even if the world would go on forever, it would be pretty boring if everything was the same 24/7. I love it so much man
@@saltystick_99 yeah and it’s pretty good thank good they actually got Ian Flynn on board. No offence to pontaff but SEGA should have gotten Ian Flynn to do colours and beyond. Sadly sonic colours DS is not canon but imo it had the best story out of the three versions
@@FattyFatMatt In all fairness, back when Colors first released, people *hated* Sonic Unleashed, Black Knight, and generally most Sonic games that had serious story telling at the time post-06 because 06 was...Well, 06. So people as a result, loved the Saturday morning cartoon esque story Colors had. I would've loved to see what Ian could've done with Colors story, but I also kind of understand why they didn't get him back in 2010.
Believe it or not, I had NEVER heard this song until I played Sonic World. (Release 9 btw) I was going through all the themes, and seeing what music would play in each menu and credits. The Volcano theme had this as the credits. Even though I hadn't heard it before, I knew it was from Black Knight. Somehow. I only played Sonic World first about a month or 2 ago, so I was missing out on this epic song. Starting to like this more than Knight Of The Wind. 🖤🖤🖤
A long time after I beat Sonic and the Black Knight--on a small replay--I realized that the gameplay is genuinely at its best when you TRY to do it and not just "waggle with remote". Engaging with the different maneuvers, sparing villagers, going for 5-star rankings on all levels, uppercuts, lunges, blocking, avoiding hits, etc. Like, you CAN just waggle, and with how Sonic keeps his momentum on a mid-run swing, it is technically the easiest and most accessible strategy (for most things but the boss fights), so it's actually perfectly reasonable--and not the player's fault. I guess what I'm saying is that... the game's controls that always get complained about feel GREAT if you do the this certain thing, and the real issue is that the game doesn't incentivize you through anything but score to "play well." If it could or did somehow, I really feel like people would have been able to enjoy this title more. It's story. It's character. Skill expression. OH YEAH, AND THE BALLER FINAL BOSS MUSIC. *blares track*
I just bought and finished this game recently, after enjoying Sonic and the Secret Rings. It was great game (besides Dragon's Lair). It's quite cheesy in concept, but I think they really pulled it off well.
I grew up with secret rings, adventure 1 and 2, generations and unwiished so playing black knight felt so nostalgic even if it being the first time playing. And the ost even made it a better experience
i love this song so much because it puts us into the perspective of merlina motives while poetically demonstrating to us where she is coming from with all of this. all of this is conveyed through the lyrics! it’s nothing short of genius! 👌 it’s also catchy as hell.
Y'know, this isn't Merlina's theme, it's Sonic's. In this situation, he is the "evil" one. After all, the lyrics match his ideology. After all "You know... every world will have its end"
I like to think neither of them are truly the "evil" one in this scenario. Merlina wants to make the world eternal because she can't bare the thought of it ending, but was driven mad in the process by the power of the scabbard of Excalibur, similar to King Arthur, and it's ruining her world in the process. Her intentions are well meaning, but the dark power of the scabbard twisted it into something dangerous. Sonic knows that everything has an end, as grim as that reality is, and has no choice but to strike Merlina down and bring Merlina to her senses, lest the world is destroyed by the her dark magic and Underworld soldiers. After the battle, Sonic convinces Merlina that her world, like his, has to end one day and to live life to the fullest. To me, Sonic vs Merlina is more like a clash of ideals. One wishes for everything to go on forever, and the other knows that everything has it's time and said time has to run out one day.
@@thatonefool0215 yeah, but I mean, in this situation, despite Merlina being the villain of the game, and sonic being the "hero", in this situation, Sonic is embracing that despite the evil that Merlina is bringing, he's still technically the villain. I like your take on it as well, but I personally think that this is Sonics theme, at least in this situation.
![With Me (Massive Power Mix) - Sonic and the Black Knight [OST]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rSWr51m36Ac/mqdefault.jpg)
![Open Your Heart - Sonic Adventure [OST]](/img/n.gif)
It's strange to hear a snarky oversized cartoon hedgehog talk against immortality and explain how life should be treasured because of your time being limited.
When you consider his morals and general carefree outlook on life, it makes sense.
Not knowing that, yeah, it's a bit strange...
It's awkward how sonic is literally just making the biggest counter-argument to depressive existentialism
Also coming from a guy who uses rings to cheat death numerous times.
That's why he's the laughing stock of the gaming world
@@boscojokey3829 at least he can have some banging music sometimes.
"So you think that Black Knight is a good game?" "I do,and I'm tired of pretending it's not."
It's Pretty Good
The only thing holding it back was the fact that it was a WII game using Motion controls
@@toolazytomakeaname1341 Playing on a Emulator is Worse lol
It’s an amazing game!
@@PlushieMaster yes
Jason’s last moments as Sonic was helping someone come to terms with mortality and helping them appreciate what they have right now.
I miss Jason Sonic
@@ArbiterKaidonThelVadamme too man, me too.
@@ArbiterKaidonThelVadamwho doesn’t? I was born in 2010, and even I miss him!
He also voiced Sonic in Unleashed. The cast didn’t change until Sonic Colors. Regardless, it is still one of the best moments in the franchise.
@@taylormansonshadicstorm9008 black knight came out after Unleashed and first time Roger played sonic was in Free Riders
Buying a sonic game is basically buying a music album with a mini game
You Just made my day :)
The truth right here.
That’s what I do 😂
I’m so pathetic, cuz everytime I get a sonic game, I hope in my mind before playing the game that the music is catchy 💀
Cuz if the music is not catchy then I don’t like the game
A 2010+ sonic game*
That's Why Sonic Forces sucks both the music and the gameplay suck.
I love that Sonic is essentially fighting his philosophical antithesis here, and that Black Knight probably has the most character development for Sonic himself. It reveals to us the "why" in his fight, and as one commenter one time put it, "Sonic's philosophy becomes less 'Gotta go fast' and more 'Gotta do what I gotta do, and fast.'"
What universe have I found myself in where a niche spin-off Sonic game evokes deep philosophical thought about life and mortality?
The same one where we got a cyborg ninja with magnetic powers and is 3 edges away from being a sonic oc talking about how the ideals of a person can shape our society
@@coomcharger6105 you can’t fight nature jack
@@whyamihere5835 Wind blows, rain falls, and the strong pray upon the week.
Everything comes to an end someday, so make the most of it. Kind of a hard life lesson to swallow for some people. And a character like Sonic has this ideology. I miss this kind of character telling of Sonic.
@@coomcharger6105 I feel like I've heard of that, but I just can't put my finger on it.
An anthropomorphic blue cartoon hedgehog conversing with the literal queen of fucking evil and all things darkness about the fact that we can't prevent death, as well as how someday everything that we cherish will come to an end eventually, and that we should do with our limited time what makes us feel complete, and treasure those experiences.
This spinoff storytale series has no right having stories as thought provoking as this.
Especially not in a Sonic game.
I love it.
I think the best part is that in the previous game he stopped an evil Genie from destroying a world to soon so he litteraly will stop the worst from happening then go off and stop someone from overdoing it
Sonic isn’t just a cartoon hedgehog
This is the Sonic we needed a brave, determined, blue speedster dedicated to saving any world. Not a blue hedgehog trying to act cool and make cheesy puns and has no personality. THIS GAME GOT SONIC RIGHT
@@shadowthesavagehedgehog4296 sonic in this game was flat. Best sonic was SA1 or sonic unleashed
@@akioasakura9540 I'd disagree
“What good is a world that goes on forever? That sounds pretty lame” one of sonics best quotes of all time
Yeah, it sounds cringe to the people who don't understand how Sonic talks... but putting it in normal terms instead of how Sonic normally talks, he's basically just saying; "Everything dies eventually, you just have to accept that." ...also, it was probably phrased that way because they still had to get the age rating they wanted.
People like to hate on this era of Sonic but it genuinely had some great stories and amazing lines (let's be honest, the great stories are mostly held back by the gameplay more than anything)
And then we have, "If this is your world? Then it's a world I don't want any part of!"
"Everything has it's end, and we are going to be yours!" - Excalibur
@@lukasruston8618 It's true, I dislike Black Kinght because of its gameplay but I admit that everything else about that game was good.
@@unskilledgamer3642gameplay was dope I loved swinging the sword man
*"Your selfishness is going to be the end of it all. Do you not understand?"*
*"I already told you! I don't mind playing the bad guy every once in a while!"*
"Everything must have its end, and we are going to be yours!"
Hear that? my sword here is gonna teach you a lesson!
“Guess I can’t be a hero every time!”
"Nah, my stories only end when I stop running!"
OMG is it really the actor of Shrek!?
*Is currently flying.*
Then Sonic Boom Happened
Heavy nostalgia
Welp, guess that means Team Sonic Racing is canonically the last Sonic game. XD
The last Sonic game with a final boss vocal track
14 years later...
Frontiers: You held on pretty well, kid. You've earned that must needed rest now. I'll take it from here.
and it did it right
I mean, if we count that the main themes in Unleashed and Colors are vocal but they're lyricless in the boss version... That's not true at all. But i prefer to think what you think, pal :D
@@-KnightOfTheWind Black Knight came out after unleashed though.
@this guy Final boss still didn’t have lyrics
You forgot Generations. Final boss there has lyrics in its theme, such as "That looks like a homing shot!" and "Be careful, Sonic!".
Sonic with a sword is objectively cool and if you say otherwise you're lying to yourself
Facts
ITS THE COOLEST THING EVER
MUCH COOLER THAN CRINGE GUNS
@@blossomnosleep well… maybe don’t go that far
Hey, this game didn't just give Sonic a sword, it's given him a very valid chance at being a Servant and another King Arthur to boot!
This games final boss is one of the emotionally deepest in the series. Summing it up to it's bare components, Sonic is fighting someone who's just afraid to die, and is willing to go to the extreme to make sure that she, as well as the people she loves, don't.
And Sonic is basically helping her come to terms with that.
Funnily enough, I think the thing that drives this point home is the final boss of The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, where SPOILERS FOR ONE OF THE BEST GAMES IN THE SONIC FRANCHISE (fight me):
The main antagonist in The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog is just a being that is afraid to lose its only friend. It doesn't want things to end, and *it's willing to hurt others to get it.* Which sonic defines as selfishness. Both Merlina and The Train are experiencing perfectly natural emotions and real pain, but they then inflict pain on others to get what they want, and when people are getting hurt, Sonic steps up to stop you, no matter how lofty your intentions are, or what you're going through. Hurting others is wrong.
@@micopen6719 No need to fight. I really liked that game as well.
@@micopen6719 The character analysis between the two games is interesting considering Black Knight was the last game we got of the Jason Griffith era. Roger's Sonic and Jason's Sonic both have fundamentally different perspectives on things, and it shows Sonic's progression as a character away from being a flawless protagonist. Jason's Sonic has a hero complex, but also a certain gentleness to him. He extends a hand of mercy to his foes, sparing even the likes of Merlina who wanted to end an entire world. Roger's Sonic on the other hand has a much more forceful approach to things. He's sick and tired of those who would lash out against others because of their own feelings, and is done showing them sympathy. That gentle side to him that he showed to his enemies is gone, as though his inner innocence is eroding away. If you become a threat to him or his friends, he's going to lay the smack down on you. Your happy ending is forfeit.
@@Crow_Rising Huh. While I prefer Jason's Sonic (in both character and voice), the idea behind Roger's Sonic ain't half bad. A more cynical take on the character, who, as he gets older, realizes that he can't always play the hero, and that some people just aren't worth it, and because of this, he garners a more rash personality because of it.
It's kinda like he's aging with you and he's realizing that a lot of the world isn't black and white.
Unpopular opinion: One of the best final boss themes in a Sonic game
That's not unpopular
An opinion I have never heard. But not an unwelcome one :)
It's THE Sonic final boss theme. It's my favorite track in the whole series next to Open Your Heart.
@@megaman15ish nah I'd say "what I'm made of" takes that spot on that the lyrics are so cool. Filled with that "you picked the wrong fight" vibe and how much of a seasoned warrior sonic is
@@Magatsu_Synergy That's a great one too. That one's in my top 5 Sonic final boss themes as well.
I kinda miss the edge era Sonic was in. Yeah I get he's a cartoon character and all but one thing that separated him from Mario was that he HAD edge. You wouldn't get this kind of ridiculousness yet charming part of Sonic from Mario. Games like Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog, Secret Rings, Black Knight, etc. all gave me hype moments cuz it had edge. It felt cool. And I still think it does...
Then again, the first game I got was Shadow the Hedgehog so......
Maybe. But even Mario has some epic moments that does differently than Sonic. Like in the Galaxy games with how orchestrated & the RPG's.
JJ C you have a good point, and the last we saw Mario kinda edgy was in a football game, which was cool compared to those recycled Tennis and Golf, I wish Mario Sports had more variety, like a Mario Sports Mix.
I don’t think critics and sonic haters realise that sonic was always edgy. Saying that “the classic games were always good because they were simple and not edgy” shows how little research they do. sonic was marketed as cooler than everyone else, and now sega is too scared to do anything like this ever again because of critics.
Milky. Not really. Sonic was meant to be lighthearted & fun with cheezy dialogs than just being all dark & edgy.
Yeah. Some dark storytelling can work. But not in an stupidest way like whatever Shadow the Hedgehog or Sonic 06 failed to tell an story. This is Sonic the Hedgehog. Not Final Fantasy or Mega Man X series.
JJ C I don’t mean edgy as in dark like shadow the hedgehog I mean edgy as in takes itself seriously. Sonic has an iconic edge that makes it so unique and different from all the other mascots which was what made him “the cooler” videogame back in the 90s. it’s been a staple of the franchise but the modern games from 2011 to onwards forget that.
My grandparents died when I was a kid. The knowledge that you will be here one day and gone the next was traumatizing for me as a 5 year old.
For most of my young life, I struggled with existential death anxiety, even during my play through of this game.
Sonic’s outlook of living life to its fullest because your time *is* limited really spoke to me, and frankly still does.
To me, it translates to “do what you want as often as you can”. Want to spend an entire day playing video games? Go for it! Want to try your hand at skydiving? Do that too!
Do what you wish for as long as you can, because one day, you won’t be able to. Thanks Sonic.
I still suffer with it due to my game crashing when I tried to fight Sir Percival.
People who have a fear of Being eyed by ducks get more Attention then existence fears.
Reincarnation might be IT, Energy never fades, Just transforms
Excess hedonism is horrible.
I didn't get this for a long time, but then I realized what Sonic is fighting against. Merlina wants to create a world that never ends, which is by definition a world that never changes. A world of Order and Stasis.
What does Sonic represent? Chaos and Freedom. Ever since day one, Sonic has been fighting against the negative aspects of order (Eggman turning animals into robotic slaves) and he's never once wavered in his belief in freedom.
So even if that means he needs to cause a world to end, Sonic is sticking by his guns. After all, what's the point of a world that never changes.
Thank you Michael Moorcock for popularizing Order versus Chaos.
@BrTrueV SMT?
@@psyxypher3881 shin megami tensei
@@joaocisne556 I'm not really familiar with it. But if it has an Order versus Chaos theme, it likely has Moorcock to thank.
@@psyxypher3881 it is a game with "chaos and order are both bad, you should be in between"
@@psyxypher3881 it's the game series that came before Persona
"I'll be the last one standing."
*Beats boss in less than a minute*
Thats what i exactly did in my first try!
I wish I could prove it, but believe it or not my fastest time was 14 seconds
Once my brother almost beat Merlina in one attack, but then he turned the Wii off and back on because he thought he had broke the game, he hasn't been able to pull it off sense from what I know.
@@masfkl8694 i did that but with sonic and the secret ring's final boss i dont remember how but it was funny
it took me 40 minutes to beat the final boss
hell, i didn't beats the bonus shadow revenge boss fight, and i fought longer than the actual final boss
"You would not understand,nor could you understand, that's why I must do what I must do. I'm finished with you."
What good is a world that goes on forever that sounds pretty lame
@Dedcee Grandfather...
JOKERRRRRRRR
Lines that ur gf would say in a break up
@@tracyraymond9501 cant you get close somehow? We had a good chance of win if you could close the gap
Ending theme: Live Life
Final boss theme: With Me
Something I've noticed
with me live life..
@@emilio9592Umm no its Live Life With Me...
@@HedgehogEpicOne ummm actchually is Life With LIve Me 🤓👆
*With Me*
Arrangement by: Jun Senoue
Lyrics by: Johnny Gioeli
Vocals: Emma Gelotte (Lead), Tinna Karlsdotter (Chorus)
Lead Guitars: Marty Friedman
Rhythm Guitars: Jun Senoue
Bass: Takeshi Taneda
Drums: Bobby Jarzombek
*Lyrics:*
You know, every world will have its end (have its end)
And I'm here, to prove it all to you
I am, who you don't think I am (think I am)
All wrapped up in my evil plan
I can taste the day (taste the day)
Savor night (savor night)
Spells beyond you
As I watch you crawl
Do you dare to fight (dare to fight)
Evil's might (evil's might)
I'll be the last one standing
In a flash of light
My eyes, (my eyes) are filled with curiosity
You think, (you think) that you have power over me
In this life, (this life) there's no room for you and me
So turn away or face this day with me
(Face the day with me)
With me!
(Face the day with me)
You know, every world will have its test (have its test)
Don't blame, for what I have become
You know, every world will come to end (come to end)
And I'll, create your final rest
I can taste the day (taste the day)
Savor night (savor night)
Scream your dreams
As you dare to fight, dare to fight
My eyes, (my eyes) are filled with curiosity
You think, (you think) that you have power over me
In this life, (this life) there's no room for you and me
So turn away or face this day with me
(Face the day with me)
With me!
(Face the day with me)
With me!
(Face the day with me)
With me...
I can taste the day (taste the day)
Savor night (savor night)
Scream your dreams
As you dare to fight, dare to fight
My eyes, (my eyes) are filled with curiosity
You think, (you think) that you have power over me
In this life, (this life) there's no room for you and me
So turn away or face this day with me
(Face the day with me)
With me...
Wait... Marty Friedman played guitar on this track? Nice! 🤘
seriously Marty?? Holy shiet I just knew
"i can taste the day, savour night
Scream your dreams, as you dare to fight"
is my favourite part
MARTY FRIEDMAN???
@@ajrod3047 Yeah, blew my mind that Marty Friedman performed lead guitars on a Sonic track lol. Megadeth's my favourite band, and Sonic Adventure's Open Your Heart was my gateway into liking heavier music, so it was pretty surreal.
This is a good song even for those who don't care about sonic
This is a bad game even for those who care about sonic
Doudoussin No, this is a mediocre game for those who care about Sonic. It isn't amazing, but its still in the upper half of Sonic games in my opinion. I'd much rather play this than Sonic the Hedgehog Episode 4, for instance
Tf this game Is awesome u just a hater dude
@@masterblaster3214 DmC: Devil May Cry is better than Sonic and the Black Knight.
@@ReneandKnuckles no SONIC IS THE BEST FUCK ALL YALL
Black Knight is honestly the pinnacle of Sonic's character: he's a guy that loves adventure, freedom, and being a friend to those in need, occasionally throwing the one-liner and tease depending on the situation, namely when he's confronting Eggman or if he's confident in a situation.
If only Pontac and Graff knew this about Sonic's character because in the meta era titles, Sonic's character is literally stripped of this sense of taking a situation seriously when need be or being a rebel that's willing to blow off something important if it means lending a helping hand, and what we have is a loud-mouthed, abrasive, overly confident, and obnoxious character that won't shut up and doesn't take things seriously; a shell of his former self.
Here's hoping Sonic Frontiers changes this, especially with Ian Flynn as the new writer.
Good news, Frontiers Sonic is pretty close to this. He wise cracks, but he's got that sense of adventure and was literally fighting to save his friends until he couldn't even move any more.
Here's to hoping if they continue the Frontiers style format for...Everything, with obviously more polish, we enter a Redemption Era.
yes
@@saltystick_99 yeah
you never stop the power of chili dog
Angie Frazier
Amen 🙏
LOL
It all started because Sonic lost a chili dog...
It's actually the power of love for life, when you think about it
"Scream your dreams as you dare to fight" is peak anime villain and I love it.
There’s nothing Excalibur can’t cut through.
Merlina: AAAAAAA!! But I... I... AAAAAAHHGGG!
of course there's nothing Excalibur can't cut through It's considered the Blade of Evil's Bane for a reason. sure the Legend of Zelda has Excalibur in it but it's usual name in those games is the Master Sword.
@@RevanSecura .....It's a quote from the game.
*Kore de OWARI DA!*
@@rosesongoku6980 HAHAHHAA
God these lyrics are perfect for Merlina. With them are her motivation in the battle as well her relationship with Sonic. She was someone Sonic didn’t even consider her to be, wrapped up in something she admits to be evil.
That last part is amazing, as it shows she knows she’s in the wrong. It’s why Sonic is able to get her to stop and talk to her after the battle, she knows deep down she’s wrong.
To me it's both perspectives.
@@Darkxtexi view it more as a back and forth
Mine eyes i filled with this couristy
You think that you have power over me
In this life, there is no rule for you or me
So turn away or face this day with me.
You can view it as either or, but i rather view it as them just trying to tear down eachother stand on reality,
You know every world will have it rest
Don't blame me for what i have become
No you know, every world will come to end,
And i'll, put it to it's final rest
Reads more as a back to forth as sonic corrects the darkness that is the broken logic of a world that never ends.
Fun fact: there was something called a "Legendary Pack" that only came out in France (which is where i live) and the only thing that i remember, is that in this pack, there was a special Wii Accessory: Caliburn.. You could literally place The Wiimote in the handle and play with the blade, it was so frickin' sick. And im kinda sad that today, i don't know where my Caliburn went, probably in some old box or something like that. Im too lazy to search anyway lol.
are you refering to this? i.redd.it/otwf4ds4ysz71.jpg
France? I thought the Arthurian legend came from the Anglo-Saxons, not the Normans.
@@maxrichards3881
Probably, but who got the pack broooooo 😎😎 yh me, in the country of croissant and whatever.
Jokes aside, my comment has a bit of misinfo since im pretty sure there was 2 or 3 other country where this pack was sold, still thats not alot when you think about it.
Bro replied after 2 years , insane 🗿
@@bunbondraws
Only just found this playlist last month.
It's a shame that Sonic is "legally" not allowed to have dark stories and tones anymore according to critics yet they're the same people who eat it up when Mario has said dark stories and tones
C'mon, let my blue boy have dark tones once in a while too ;~;
"Taste the day, savor night" are such good lyrics
Sonic taught me more about death than persona 3 did
Why not both?
This game is almost 10 yrs old now.
Too bad it became one of the scapegoats for people to point out when they say "Sonic can't be edgy" When story in this game is arguably great.
The gameplay gets repetitive very quickly, but i somehow find it more enjoyable than Colors and I've come back to this game time and time again for fun.
it's on my "most played Sonic games"
list below S3&K and Generations
not to mention sa2's last story was kind of fucked up dude
This game caught the "Tude" that Shadow and 06 lost
to be fair i loved both secret rings and black knight from a narrative standpoint. in fact i think secret rings and black knight has the best stories of any sonic game.
now gameplay on the other hand secret rings can go into a ditch
I prefer the edge over the filled with jokes stories of colors and lost world, and the nonexistent story of generations
@@cryoice6511 No it wasn't. It was great and took itself seriously, not like the laughing stock sonic is now.
merlina in-game: i wish to preserve all the world around me because i do not see the point in nothing lasting forever and everything falling into obsolescence. my methods may be cruel or unorthodox but my cause is noble, and i'm one of few sonic the hedgehog antagonists that truly falls under grey morality.
her final boss music: HEEHOO I'M EVIL
Or maybe is a: If you believe I am evil for doing this, then I'll be as evil as I need to fulfill my cause
the songs in sonics perspective thou its him convincing merlina that worlds will end and thats apart of living
Well she did cause a lot destruction while using the power of the scabbard. Remember how sonic and the knights of the round table had to evacuate castle town?
Thing is Merlin's went to so e extremes. Heaven knows how much guilt she bears
That is exactly her role tho. She is ready to become a villain and feed her own self to the story she wrote
So my dad named me Arthur after King Arthur cause he loves history especially medieval history. It felt strange fighting a boss I was named after. Still this is one of my favourite Wii games.
So, how did you feel when the guy you were named after wasn’t actually the final boss?
@@mariobroultimate1808 Still felt more useful than real life.
@@mariobroultimate1808 Also seems I played as the guy I was named after and fought against him as well
I am named after king Arthur to so i was going crazy as a kid when I heard the ending saying sonic was king Arthur. And I with my young mind was like "whoa...I was ones sonic"
I was named Tristan after Sir Tristan of King Arthur's knights so I guess I am destined to fight alongside you.
People are arguing whether it’s Sonic or Merlina’s point of view I actually think it’s both, and not them talking back and forth.
While we know Sonic’s in the right, both of them are fine with being called evil for the sake of their cause. For Sonic, he said so early in the game and before the fight so I’d say it’s pretty clear but for Merlina I think because she gets redeemed fairly quickly deep down she knows what she’s doing is only feeding into her own sorrow so she’s fine with calling herself the villain as well.
Also minor things such as “I am, who you don’t think I am” Applies to Sonic by Merlina underestimating him and to Merlina because of her twist villain thing.
“You know every world has its end” applies to Sonic, because that’s what he believes but to Merlina it’s more mockingly because she plans to end Sonic’s world.
All of this makes this song not only a banger but also rather genius in my opinion. But I’m probably over analyzing things.
Since the song can apply to either perspective, I just consider the original Merlina's perspective because it is more tragic sounding, while the Crush40 version is Sonic's perspective because it is more serious and dark.
@@drkspnova Yep that’s what I think too!
@@drkspnova I had another idea that’s probably less likely. What if they’re imagining each other singing the song to them? I’ll explain.
While Sonic is perfectly fine with others calling himself the villain he also still believes what Merlina is doing is wrong. That being said the original version is a bit more upbeat and even a little snarky so it reflects Sonic’s own personality which means it’s the reverse for the Crush 40 version.
I believe that Merlina always had the intelligence to believe Sonic was right because she was able to conduct this scheme of hers but lacked the emotional maturity to accept it which ends up leading to her downfall and is what he helps her with after the fight. So “Every world has to end.” Could be Sonic knowing this about her in the original version and what Merlina imagines him aggressively calling her out for in the Crush 40 one.
Oh so they basically pulled a What I’m Made Of
"Spells beyond you" - I didn't know Sonic was a spellcaster in this game as he seemed more like a swordsman.
What good is a world that lasts forever? That sounds pretty lame!
Bullshit sonic...
Ben K actually he has a point
Ben K Um... what?
A world that lasts forever...you seriously can't see why that would be good?
It'd be boring if it did
So today I just found out that Marty Friedman plays the lead guitar on this track.
I first played this game in elementary school and I became a huge Megadeth fan in High School so this is just mind blowing to me
Haha same this was awesome to hear as I’m experiencing the exact same thing
Wait what?! Marty Friedman played on this?! That's so badass! Rust In Peace is my favorite album of all time, so I'm amazed by this!
The 25 dislikes are from the people who couldn't pass the freaking Arthur boss
They just didnt have...
...the will to fight the knight.
@@PoneBros Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy
jesus christ man i literally got stuck in that boss for like a whole year then rage quitted for like 7 years. i only finally beat him like a month ago
hahaha
I hate that boss.
I really like this game...
but that boss.
THAT BOSS.
@@autumn7 i know that boss is a literal bitch
This is it. This is the end of an era where Sonic writing could take itself seriously. There was no Baldy Nosehair, there was no overly edgy villain with a horrible backstory, there was no ”duh powa of fwindship can do anything” none of that. There was comedic but mostly serious writing. And we can tell that Sonic Team went all out on this one.
To be fair, the whole thing with "power of friendship" is fine on its own considering Heroes did it and it worked perfectly fine there - it was only bad in Forces because they felt the need to constantly have Sonic shove it down our throats throughout the entire game
@donkeyisalive00 is a guy who actually gets it 👏👏👏
@@pytha7 hard agree, he really did shove it down our throats
this shows that video games made for children can still have deep though provoking themes for the adult audience
instead of fart joke, disregard of the laws of physics that make f&f jealous, unfunny slapstick and the people responsible for publishing it shoving it down our throats despite everyone saying they don't like it with the cal-arts style that everyone is bored of by now
BALDY NOSEHAIR?!?! HAHAH
"You would not understand, nor could you understand."
"That's why I must do what I must do. I am finished with you."
@@royal_kim1154 what good is a world that goes on forever? That sounds pretty lame to me
This is my favorite final boss theme in the entire Sonic series.
"Scream your dreams as you dare to fight" such a raw line legit
Of all the songs of final boss that has had the franchise, this is the most beautiful and most epic, I get the tears every time I replay the battle against the Dark Queen, those who are singing are Sonic and Merlina.
With Me ... BEST SONIC FINAL BATTLE SONG EVER !!
YES. This is golden. Thank you
AnsweredElk113 this is EPIC !!!!!!! The most
EPIC final boss music Of ever!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Froitax 110 The song is so freaking good. 🤘
*OPINIONS INTENSIFY*
I think it has to do with out of all the final bosses we've had so far, Black Knight was to most personal for Sonic and the player.
You know, every world will have it’s end
I’m here to prove it all to you
I am who you don’t think I am
All wrapped up in my evil plan
I can taste the day
Savour night
Spells beyond you
As I watch you crawl
Do you dare to fight
Evil’s might
I’ll be the last one standing
In a flash of light
My eyes
Are filled with curiosity
You think
That you have power over me
In this life
There’s no room for you and me
So turn away or face this day with me
Face the day with me
With Me
Face the day with me
You know every world will have it’s test
Don’t blame me for what I have become
You know every world will come to end
And I’ll create your final rest
I can taste the day
Savour night
Scream your dreams
As you dare to fight
Dare to fight
My eyes
Are filled with curiosity
You think
That you have power over me
In this life
There’s no room for you and me
So turn away or face this day with me
Face the day with me
With me
Face the day with me
With me
Face the day with me
With me
I can taste the day
Savour night
Scream your dreams
As you dare to fight
Dare to fight
My eyes
Are filled with curiosity
You think
That you have power over me
In this life
There’s no room for you and me
So turn away or face this day with me
Face the day with me
With me
Wow Shrek! I never knew you were such a fan of music.
Now read it in a shrek voice.
i always though it said save all night or something along those lines XD
King
Knight of the Wind
SEGA,
Dear SEGA and Sonic Team,
Sonic was never Mario.
I love that Excalibur-laser effect when the sword regenerated and he gained golden armor. Truly a Saber.
He's more than earned the Class.
An awesome song from such an underrated game.
As much as I love Sonic and the Black Knight... No. It isn't that underrated. Even all the good things don't make it easy for me to recommend to people, because if you aren't prepared for the controls, you're gonna have a bad time.
Jesse Hills
No. It's not underrated. You're objectively wrong. It's bad. You don't like it. That didn't happen.
@@twinostrich8045 just because your fatass is too lazy for the controls doesn't make the game 😂😂😂
robert hagley
"Hey, how do we make our game fun?"
"Oh, how about good gameplay and nuanced storytelling and maybe some other stuff, like challenge?"
"Challenge? Oh, make it impossible to control, I got ya".
This game is emblematic of putting the challenge in the wrong place. Wrestling with controls isn't fun, it's just frustrating. When you intend perfectly well to do a thing, and the game's objectively awful controls prevent that, that's not a fault of the player. It's a fault of the game, and the people that made it. It's the game deciding "Oh, you're going to die now because you didn't WAGGLE THE FUCKING WII REMOTE HARD ENOUGH WHO MAKES FUCKING WAGGLE CONTROLS WHEN YOU COULD JUST AS EASILY MAKE IT A FUCKING BUTTON PRESS AND MAYBE THEN I'D BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE FUCKING GAME AND MAYBE IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO A WIDER FUCKING AUDIENCE THAT ENJOYS BEATING GAMES WITHOUT THE CONTROLS TRYING TO FUCKING BEAT THEM JESUS FUCK.
Oh, I did finish Black Knight by the way.
@@twinostrich8045 The control wasn't even that difficult, as matter of fact it wasn't difficult at all for the most part, it's actually quite simple, especially for a Wii only game. Sorry it didn't come with a gamepad version for you to play in, but it was never as difficult as you claim, especially not impossible
sonic the hedgehog engages in a duel to the death against the granddaughter of the most renowned wizard in history while preaching about the temporality of life and the certainty of death
And it’s fucking raw
peak fiction
I definitely have come to REALLY appreciate any Sonic song, that has 2 versions of the vocals but this one has to be one of the most impactful ones to date. Crush 40 is awesome and all but the emotional side of the song is nailed here (lyrics help pull that off too).
A bit disappointed that this track wasn't included in the Frontiers' jukebox but we at least got some Secret Rings and Black Knight representation which is more than I could ever hope for, these games are my childhood and I love them so much
Well, what we get is what he have
Link: I wield the Blade of Evil's Bane the master Sword.
Sonic: That may be true but it has nothing on it's real life counterpart Excalibur which I wielded in a game based on the story of King Arthur & the knights of the round table.
Couldn't have worded it better
Shulk: Hold my Monado
"A world that goes on forever. That's pretty lame".
I hope people realize that this song was sung in the perspective of Merlina! If you closely listen, it does sound like she's singing!
+TheEclipseCrystal Are there people who DIDN'T realize that?
+Sterling Muse Yeah, surprisingly.
+TheEclipseCrystal Wow... I figured it out the first time I fought the boss. I just assumed it was common knowledge
+Sterling Muse *Shrugs* I have no idea. XD
Don't forget sonic to
I played this game as a little gremlin child and loved it, I was worried I was blinded by nostalgia before replaying this game, and while the gameplay can be monotonous and maddening at times, I enjoyed the godlike music and actually grew to like the sword combat, overall I'm happy to say I very much like this game!
Anyone else play this boss battle over and over again just to hear the song?
Me xD
No
Same XD
I still do
I played it over and over again because I had so much fun with this Boss.
So glad Frontiers has similar music to this.
The Wyvern Titan boss music sounds A LOT like this one
This game is so underrated. It's infinitely better than secret rings
Secret Rings is the worst 3D Sonic game if we don’t count 3D Blast
@@theminecraft2516 I agree, that game is so bad. I have a bit of an attachment due to nostalgia from playing it as a kid. I remember having so much trouble controlling sonic.
@@pokekiller787x The things I really liked about Secret Rings was the music, art design, story, and Erazor Ginn.
@@theminecraft2516 I liked those too, Dark Spine Sonic is the coolest sonic form by far imo. I just wish it was in a better game😆
@@pokekiller787x I think Darkspine Sonic suited Secret Rings tone, in concept Secret Rings is great with the iconic intro and everything but then the gameplay starts..........
Star Wars is cheesy, yet everyone loves Star Wars. Transformers Prime is what you might call edgy, yet it's one of the most popular TF shows to exist right along with the originals. Quite a few much loved shows, movies, and games are cheesy or edgy. I think too many people confuse "edge" with "depth".
Just because a piece of media has cliches of some kind does not make it bad. I think the reason why Sonic has gotten this kind of reputation is because it took "taking itself seriously" to the extreme on multiple occasions and in very uncomfortable ways. And now because of that reputation SEGA has tried to reverse this problem and instead run into the issue in reverse. Now Sonic lacks any sort of edge to such an extreme that it outright mocks itself.
Its funny because even back in the classic days, they took itself seriously and those stories with the mentions of Gods, the mysteries of the islands, dimensions, ancient civilization wiped out, and even a connection between the rings and the emeralds(the original stories of those games not the west interpretation) that do leads to the adventure games and onwards. The only media of sonic back in the day that didn't was Adventures of Sonic the hedgehog.
But yeah I agree with you.
Good point
@@lightgivemepower6425 The Classic era actually had a lot of depth for what it is.
Look at Knuckles, for example, the plot of him being already the guardian of the emerald was there already.
AND THE BEST PART IS THAT IT'S VISUAL STORYTELLING. YOU CAN S E E THE PROFECY MURALS OF SONIC AND EGGMAN ON THE WALLS.
I'm glad more people are starting to appreciate this game for what it is lately, it's a really solid game that was bombed by reviewers and was held back a bit by the wiis motion controls.
That's literally what happened with every Sonic game that came out in the mid to late 2000s lol
One of those reviewers was ign so…make that of what you will.
@@mollyospikminio Uh yeah...everybody knows IGN hate Sonic. Or at the very least don't understand him.
@@mollyospikminio and egoraptor
Say what you will about this game, but it actually understood Sonic's character way better than a LOT of other Sonic games
ESPECIALLY the 2010 games.
@@AA4AA4 I was so sick of them. I'm so glad we have Ian Flynn for Frontiers
@YEP Ian Flynn could save this franchise being known as "a silly little blue ball". He may return us to this time. The time where Sonic had some of the most epic stories seen in a kids game. Sonic isn't just for kids, and Ian Flynn darn well understands that.
@YEP Oh that's sick dude! I was just introduced to Sonic when forces came out so I had no idea that Sonic was serious, and just ate it up. I eventually went to Mania, then found all the Sonic stuff I missed. So I've went back and played SA1 and SA2, Heroes, 06(which I quite enjoy lol), and all the games after, besides Lost world, which I'll get eventually. I now realize how much better Sonic was in terms of storytelling back then compared to the Sonic 2010-2019 games, and I'm currently going through all the Sonic games and Archie Comics,IDW, Series, etc. on the road to Frontiers. Overall, I'm so glad I found this franchise, and look forward to what it has in store!
@@ChiefMedicPururu no sonic and black knight didn’t understand his character
I am a simple man. I hear Sonic music, I like.
Mario music may be more nostalgic and iconic, but this is just straight up better
Sonic music is definitely more iconic
Pretty much everyone can recognise green hill zone or city escape
@@ykgcaramel6515 Both Mario and Sonic music are iconic
The song of a best friend that has betrayed you unforgivably as you fight against them in unbridled anger and revenge as you seek personal justice.
or, you know, want to prevent a world from losing it's purpose by being immortallized in a deep philosophical loophole
this guy completely missed the point
PsYan #3390 both ? both. both is good.
no sonic isn't like that, the point of the battle for sonic to protect his philosophy. Sonic experiencing sadistic pleasure is waaaaaay out of character to ever happen.
Yeah, you're kinda missing the whole point of this.
"It was never about chivalry for me, I just gotta do what I gotta do! That's all!"
"Sonic!!"
Shadow and Infinite dueling for ultimate edge and Merlina is probably at a bar like: “I manipulated the protagonist to do what I want, wilted a flower because I could and got an epic song to boot. Why aren’t I in the conversation?”
Scourge: “The game wasn’t that big of a success kid. Maybe if you get another chance. Even then, you gotta have the edge lord look and your boss fight has to be more difficult. What I’m saying is up your game.”
Merlina: “At least I’m in a game.”
@@thephantomgamingbros.6329 Blaze: Yeah just like sharah and elise, In a game that is either mediocore or absolute garbage. Neither of you girls don't even have a fanbase and if by some miracle you do, ITS VERY SMALL. Sure, maria is in 2 games but she's only in flashbacks. Have you ever wondered why there havent been any human characters in sonic games in the past 12 years? Because every human character are from bad or mediocore sonic games. So all i can tell you is that you better hope Sega makes a Sonic and the black knight remake on the switch, or you'll just be that one role in a underrated game. See ya, don't wanna be ya.
“I already told you, I don't mind playing the bad guy every once in a while.”
God, was this a good line.
“Guess I can’t be hero every time.”
Having heard the Titans' themes from Frontiers, I knew they reminded me of something. This is it. What a banger.
I feel like this game is a little bit underrated
The legend of Tux no, probably just how good the song is tricking you to see the game good
@@Blurro yeeeaahhhh, no... It is underrated
@@Blurro no, it's SO underrated... SO underrated.
Just a bit this game has many flaws tho
I agree with it being underrated. The controls are good, the sword is a fun gimmick, the OST is freaking awesome, the graphics are nice, the gameplay is fast and fluent, the missions are mostly fun and challenge is hard but fair and it has the best story in the series IMO. I don't understand the hate for this game. I also did not grow up with Black Knight as Secret Rings always scared me away from it but just last year I finally gave the game a fair chance and its now in my top 10. That's just me though
sonic gameplay: haha funny hedgehog go fast
sonic lore:
Behold, the last great Sonic game's ending theme.
oh shit this is actually true...
@@dragoe7441 Not anymore, Frontiers is bringing it back!
"Why can you not understand how magnificent an everlasting kingdom would be?"
"What I Can't understad is how you can call such a boring sounding place magnificent?"
"My stories only end when I stop running!" - Sonic the Hedgehog
What I like about this game is that it carries on the traditional Sonic plot twists of having the supposed main antagonist be overshadowed by another bigger evil.
In this case, King Arthur is the supposed main antagonist, but gets superseded by Merlina.
With Me is also a song that completely shifts from the medieval style music back to modern Sonic style, it is now a personal grudge match between two friends.
Definitely not something you’d expect in a game set in the middle ages
I don't care what anyone says, this game is incredible. It's story, graphics, characters, voice acting, characterization, character dynamics, music.... anything you can think of and it's all there. It's not one of the best Sonic games but man it's so fun and enjoyable. Some of the games quotes are some of the best quotes in the series... Sonic telling the listener (and Merlina) that life doesn't go on forever and it's sad but that's why you live it to the fullest in the time you have and that even if the world would go on forever, it would be pretty boring if everything was the same 24/7. I love it so much man
YEAH!
Sonic uses the Xenoblade to stop Moebius Merlina and the Endless Now
“What good is a world that lasts forever? That seems pretty lame”
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Gameplay: 5/10.
Story: 9/10.
Music: 10/10, 11/11, Best Game, BEST GAME.
The gameplay is not even that bad
Gameplay is at least a 7/10.
Sothis is a story all about how yeah not great but it’s tolerable
To be honest, I really enjoy the gameplay.
Its way better than secret rings anyway
@@tomsky4751 I personally would give the gameplay a 9/10 but most people would give it a 7/10 because "motion controls bad".
“So now we can get down to the Real fight the last sonic standing will be the winner “
- StormRedDesert
This sounds like an anime opening
And i freaking love it
Sounds like a really good anime song
This is why I think 1991-2009s sonic story’s feels like an anime series
Sonic Frontiers is officially Sonic Team dipping into that story style again.
@@saltystick_99 yeah and it’s pretty good thank good they actually got Ian Flynn on board. No offence to pontaff but SEGA should have gotten Ian Flynn to do colours and beyond. Sadly sonic colours DS is not canon but imo it had the best story out of the three versions
@@FattyFatMatt In all fairness, back when Colors first released, people *hated* Sonic Unleashed, Black Knight, and generally most Sonic games that had serious story telling at the time post-06 because 06 was...Well, 06.
So people as a result, loved the Saturday morning cartoon esque story Colors had.
I would've loved to see what Ian could've done with Colors story, but I also kind of understand why they didn't get him back in 2010.
@@saltystick_99 yeah
As much as i dont like colors, it was a neccesary both good and evil, the franchise was a such a low that another bad game could have made it die.
When you think about Melin's lore...
Merlina's a succubus.
Sonic games are so underrated
I don't ever want to understand such one sided sadness.
what i can’t understand is how you can call such a boring sounding place “magnificent”
That's Marty "Tornado of Souls" Friedman as the lead guitarist! One of the most legendary metal guitarists ever.
3:04 There is nothing that Excalibur can’t cut through.
Sonic has many awesome reprises, but I think Merlina's theme being turned into this is one of the better ones.
Believe it or not, I had NEVER heard this song until I played Sonic World. (Release 9 btw)
I was going through all the themes, and seeing what music would play in each menu and credits. The Volcano theme had this as the credits. Even though I hadn't heard it before, I knew it was from Black Knight. Somehow.
I only played Sonic World first about a month or 2 ago, so I was missing out on this epic song.
Starting to like this more than Knight Of The Wind. 🖤🖤🖤
Knight of the wind is cool
But this is definitely more badass.
A long time after I beat Sonic and the Black Knight--on a small replay--I realized that the gameplay is genuinely at its best when you TRY to do it and not just "waggle with remote". Engaging with the different maneuvers, sparing villagers, going for 5-star rankings on all levels, uppercuts, lunges, blocking, avoiding hits, etc.
Like, you CAN just waggle, and with how Sonic keeps his momentum on a mid-run swing, it is technically the easiest and most accessible strategy (for most things but the boss fights), so it's actually perfectly reasonable--and not the player's fault.
I guess what I'm saying is that... the game's controls that always get complained about feel GREAT if you do the this certain thing, and the real issue is that the game doesn't incentivize you through anything but score to "play well."
If it could or did somehow, I really feel like people would have been able to enjoy this title more. It's story. It's character. Skill expression.
OH YEAH, AND THE BALLER FINAL BOSS MUSIC. *blares track*
"i'll be the last one standing in the flash of light" is such a badass line
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I just bought and finished this game recently, after enjoying Sonic and the Secret Rings. It was great game (besides Dragon's Lair). It's quite cheesy in concept, but I think they really pulled it off well.
To think that this game was (as far as i can remember) the closest sonic has come to dying
Without him actually dying? He dies in since 06. And he almost died in sa2 but yeah those are really the only times he was close.
Your fates were sealed the moment you knock those chili dogs out of his hands
He Was Trying To Think Of A Moral Reason To Be Able To Smite Merlina, And When She Turned Into The Villain. Her Fate Was Sealed.
this game literally made me question my life
I am sir sonic knight of the wind! And this kingdom shall be plunged by light!!
I grew up with secret rings, adventure 1 and 2, generations and unwiished so playing black knight felt so nostalgic even if it being the first time playing. And the ost even made it a better experience
Me: ok, after this one song, I'll go get a snack. Food is more of an essential need than music.
*’With Me' plays next
Me: *closes door
I love this song. One of my top favourite songs. Could listen to this non-stop. ^_^
The game was awesome, too.
i love this song so much because it puts us into the perspective of merlina motives while poetically demonstrating to us where she is coming from with all of this. all of this is conveyed through the lyrics! it’s nothing short of genius! 👌
it’s also catchy as hell.
Y'know, this isn't Merlina's theme, it's Sonic's. In this situation, he is the "evil" one. After all, the lyrics match his ideology. After all
"You know... every world will have its end"
I think it is a mixture of both
I like to think neither of them are truly the "evil" one in this scenario. Merlina wants to make the world eternal because she can't bare the thought of it ending, but was driven mad in the process by the power of the scabbard of Excalibur, similar to King Arthur, and it's ruining her world in the process. Her intentions are well meaning, but the dark power of the scabbard twisted it into something dangerous.
Sonic knows that everything has an end, as grim as that reality is, and has no choice but to strike Merlina down and bring Merlina to her senses, lest the world is destroyed by the her dark magic and Underworld soldiers. After the battle, Sonic convinces Merlina that her world, like his, has to end one day and to live life to the fullest.
To me, Sonic vs Merlina is more like a clash of ideals. One wishes for everything to go on forever, and the other knows that everything has it's time and said time has to run out one day.
@@thatonefool0215 yeah, but I mean, in this situation, despite Merlina being the villain of the game, and sonic being the "hero", in this situation, Sonic is embracing that despite the evil that Merlina is bringing, he's still technically the villain. I like your take on it as well, but I personally think that this is Sonics theme, at least in this situation.
"Frontiers has the most Metal songs in Sonic!"
Me, an intellectual: *laughs in this song*