When Galaxy's Edge was under construction, the railroad had to be shut down for a year or more, as part of the construction involved moving the train route. During that time, Disney put one of the trains on display at the New Orleans station and gave guests the chance to actually get up close to one of the engines (since it was cold and didn't present the danger it does while hot). You could also cross the tracks and get over to the old station. That was a rare opportunity for Disney rail fans.
That lady in the Kodak commercial is Harriet Nelson from the tv show Ozzy and Harriet that ran from 1952-1966. It was big stuff back then. And yes I remember it. I’m that old. 😂
I can’t recall her maiden name, but Harriet started as a singer working with Ozzy’s dance band in the thirties. One thing lead to another and they were wed. This rest is, as they say, history…
The station was gutted about 20 years ago. The old interior had clear oak beadboard walls and ceiling that were painted a pale green. The bay facing the berm was the ticket office, and had a partition wall inside similar to what the offices in Main St station have. The bay facing the track was a telegraph office, and was partitioned off with a small fence to allow visitors to see the telegraph in action. The telegraph repeater was wired to a magnetic tape machine so that it would click out the message instead of them just playing an audio recording like they do now. The display cases in Main St station also came out of the Frontierland station and were on the wall facing the NOS tunnel. The freight house had originally housed public restrooms.
Sad to hear of so much high-quality material and effort having been replaced with cheaper stuff. It's a common thread in all of the last 75 years of Disneyland, and in American society at large.
"This lady" holding the camera in the commercial is Harriet Nelson of Ozzie and Harriet fame, wife of Ozzie, mother of Rick or Ricky Nelson! She was a very famous television star and would have been easily recognized by everyone at the time. Ah, fame is, indeed, fleeting.
@carlopanno6307 and it was like so many others used in advertising & The Wonderful World of Disney for Disneyland. People talk about AI special effects but the producer of the video was fooled by 100 year old special effects
Hey Brickey, the story I got was that the depot Ward Kimble got was just a 'flat' (3 sided), but more of a prop than a building. Walt went out to Wards property ro look at his trains one weekend and was regretting giving him such a nice building away, but Ward had put a ton of money into actually bringing the 'depot' prop up to code and making it into an actual building. He really got HOT at Walt for wanting to take it back.
When growing up, I would go to my cousin’s house in Arcadia and one block away Kimball would be steaming up his engine, and you can hear him go back-and-forth in his yard a few times we walked by and could see the train
Another fantastic and well researched piece. Thank you! Learned something new …again from you. Keep bringing the fresh perspective and history to us! Loving it!
This was a great retrospective! The historical comparisons are really pretty stark. One thing I'm a little confused by... If I were in charge, the construction walls would resemble the themed environment they're in, rather than using the same blue walls throughout the park.
Great episode Brickey! And speaking of theme park train derailments, I have a fun story. It was probably the initial year that Magic Mountain was open (it wasn't owned by Six Flags back then), and my mom took me to the park for the first time. I was probably 12 years old or so, and several minutes into the train ride it completely derailed! This was '71 or '72, so they didn't have great communication systems. I can't remember if I volunteered, or if I was asked, but I ended up running back down the tracks to the station to let staff know what had happened! The train had not tipped over, and no one had been injured - it simply came off the tracks. I really don't remember how they took me back to the train - or how they evacuated everyone - what stands out is the adrenaline rush of running to "save the day" for the passengers!
The station from the film "So dear to my heart", that Walt gifted Ward Kimball, was a movie prop, so it was basically only what needed to be seen in the film. Because it was not a complete building, Ward Kimball said it was actually a great more trouble to turn it into a functioning building, than if he had simply built it from scratch. However, he accepted the gift, because he knew how much it meant to Walt, to accept a gift the gift, since the film was one of Walt's favorites. I don't think Walt ever understood how much work Ward Kimball had gone through to make it into the functional small station for the Grizzly Flats railroad, for him to request it be brought to Disneyland. It's also understandable why after all the trouble making a movie prop that wasn't intended to survive long after filming was completed, into an important part of his Grizzly Flats railroad, he refused to return it.
Thank you so much, Brickey! GREAT report! Another spotting feature of Train #2: Holiday Red , is that it still has the 'Boxcar Red' Caboose on the tail end of it!
One could ride in the caboose back in the day. You could actually climb up into the upper part of it. You could see down into the bottom of the Grand Canyon floor up there.
Excellent as always! I especially love these historical videos. I'm thankful for your videos because they allow me to be an imagineer, my childhood dream. Love you Brickey!
I had totally forgotten about the 2 trains. This video helped me to remember. I don’t remember how old I was when I rode the freight train but I was 6 or 7 years old I think
I love this stuff!! I'm quite surprised they would try cattle cars though. Coming off of WWII not that many years earlier, I would think people in cattle cars wouldn't be a good idea. As a train buff, I love the tid bits! Keep up the great entertainment.
That train is still there. It has been converted to a side facing people train and is now designated as “Holiday 2”. You can still see the differences in one car to the next and the heavier construction.
Hey Brickey! Topic Suggestion: the gazebo that’s seen at 12:20 mark, which moved around the park at least three times. It’s now in a park somewhere not too far from Anaheim.
I just discovered that when I was growing up in Arcadia, California (1956-1968), I lived just 1.7 miles from Ward Kimball‘s house! I could’ve ridden my bike over there and asked to take a trip on the railroad at Grizzly Flats! 😭
Finally subscribed! It took a while to realize that your focus on Disneyland history and “what Walt did” is exactly what I’m interested in. Keep it up!
I remember a time, when I was working at the French Market, that the train left the New Orleans station after filling with water and one of the railroad ties was on fire. We made the call to security, then took buckets of water onto the tracks to put out the fire, although I imagine that we weren't supposed to be on the tracks at all, ever, for any reason. It had the burn marks for the entire time I worked there. I assume they changed it out since.
Brickey I always enjoy your videos! Man, you are good at making them! The blue and white Disneyland hat would make a perfect Christmas gift for my bf! Will definitely get one for him!
I don't know if they still do it, but you use to be able to get cab rides on the Disneyland Railroad. On the tenders of a couple of locomotives there is a bench facing the locomotives cab. At, and only at, the Main Street station you can/could ask a conductor for a cab ride. If the train had the bench, the conductor will often let you ride on a complete ride around the park.
The telegraphic message uses International Morse Code, not what would be the authentic "railroad Morse," or American Morse code. Over 50 years ago, when I became a "ham" radio operator, there were still hams on the air who had been railroad telegraphers and they used "railroad Morse" to communicate with each other. Sadly, they've all gone "silent key" now.
Brickey! Love your content. Question: I thought I heard and had seen before that the train station was used in the final photo of "Two Brothers" at the American Adventure when the family is bringing home one of the fallen brothers in a casket. The Train Station is listed as "Mullers Landing".
Love the story Bricky as always! By the way, the “lady” holding the Kodak film camera was Harriet Nelson - Ozzie Nelson’s of the 1950’s “Ozzie & Harriet” TV show. One of there son’s was of course the famous pop singer Ricky Nelson woh had numerous hits.
we recently found the abandoned tracks around the water. found old pics of the train on the old tracks. interesting the different routes the train's took as the park grew. great video (as usual) #VIBES
Hey Brickey! Excellent video. One question that I have never seen answered. In the original configuration with the separate passenger train (round trip non stop from Main Street) and Freight Train (round trip non stop from Frontierland), I have only seen a water tower at Frontierland. Where was the 2nd water tower located that would refresh the passenger train? Thanks so much for your perspective on the parks!
The damaged baggage building was immortalized in the “Two Brothers” segment in EPCOT’S American Adventure as well as later iterations of Mr. Lincoln. It is labeled “Mullers Landing”.
In related Ward Kimball train things, the Southern California Railway Museum out in Perris has some of Ward's Grizzly Flats trains, as well as old Disneyland Main Entrance ticket booths, for anyone wanting to make the drive out there.
I'm actually impressed that secondary railway is still even (partially?) there, as it seems Disney replaces the track -- they have been working on it recently.
I'm surprised they're not putting down a second track, even if they don't use it, to make the moved station blend in more. The wast space of open gravel is...weird.
The Orlando FL park had sent the "Lillie Belle" and another loco to Strasburg railroad in 2010, but Strasburg messed up the contract and they were ordered to be sent back to Orlando.
My boyfriend and I go the Disneyland almost once a week. And he love the train! We often go around asking cast members this question! Is the Disneyland Railroad a ride/attraction or is it transportation? I’m eager to hear people’s answers! 😊😂
That is part of the theming though. 1 is supposed to look like an "older" engine, with a wide stack and bright reds that has been demoted to freight service. 2 is the "new" engine, modern dark greens and a shotgun stack with brass trim, and it's 2 because it "arrived after" 1 had. Mind you this is a very Disney-Kimball-esque generalization and plenty of rail historians would point at the Disneyland fleet as being a bit too bright and cartoonish, but it still has some basis in real rail history. Look at Central Pacific 60 "Jupiter" (not so much the modern more-historically accurate repainted blue version but the 1970's red version Ward Kimball painted to really show how Disney Imagineers viewed it at the time) and compare it to say Denver & Rio Grande 168, that's a 40 year evolution in design tastes in locomotives that Disneyland was imitating.
It was probably also quite disturbing to a lot of WWII surviviors -- which almost everyone was at the time Disneyland first opened -- to be carried in cattle cars, considering what cattle cars were used for by a certain Axis power....
Hahaha, that lady in the Kodak commercial is Harriet Nelson. Harriet is the Mother of David & Ricky, and wife to Ozzie. All together they had a TV show called, The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet...Great classic show. Ricky Nelson, had a huge singing career with hits, Hello Mary Lou, Lonesome Town, Traveling Man & Garden Party. He had many hits!!! 👍👍
I have an old german model train magazine from the early 90s, with a large article about the Grizzly Flats garden railroad (and a german gentleman who built a scale model of it off of photos)
It’s too bad Disney didn’t find a way to use at least some of this building in the new shed . Then there would have had a bit of vintage history in structure. It would been a cost saving and far more attractive than what they chose.
I literally said “like the new carriage house” at the same time that you did… I honestly don’t have as big of a problem with the theming of the carriage house (like everyone else does) as much as the shame that they messed up the scale of the mansion with that monstrosity. 🤦🏼♂️
Walt could have eliminated the need for manual switching by having the trains travel in opposite directions with spring loaded switches that always sent the trains to the right, but also allow trains going in the other direction to pass over the switch due to being spring loaded and not fixed.
I enjoy your videos Brickey. However your diagram of the train derailment is incorrect. Also, the only photographs of the accident shows the switch was thrown from the main track to the siding the rear end of the Caboose (Which later became the Lilly Belle) that derailed actually didn't derail but started down the siding track. I've heard there may be two separate incidents. One told by Michael Broggie in His book and possibly a separate incident told by Ward Kimball.
The Frontier train station was next to the Indian village. I rode on the train that looked like a fright train with my grandma and as I remember it wasn’t very fun because we couldn’t see anything. There were no windows.
What is the status on the building that has been covered for 2 years? What was it used for? Does it really need to be there if it hasn't been repaired?
I think it's less of having common sense (for the lack of railings, etc.) and more the fact that as time goes by, mishaps are statistically inevitable, and after so many years, enough mishaps will happen that would cause safety measures to prevent future mishaps. I don't think it has anything to do with people, in general, losing their common sense.
When Galaxy's Edge was under construction, the railroad had to be shut down for a year or more, as part of the construction involved moving the train route. During that time, Disney put one of the trains on display at the New Orleans station and gave guests the chance to actually get up close to one of the engines (since it was cold and didn't present the danger it does while hot). You could also cross the tracks and get over to the old station. That was a rare opportunity for Disney rail fans.
I was able to look at the Lilly Belle while they did this too!
Yes, and it was a great experience
Any footage from that time? Ive always wanted to see the other side of the train tracks
I was able to climb in the engine. Sat in the engineer’s seat and I was ready to move forward. I will never forget that!!
Love that Walts opening day speech is on a constant loop on the Disneyland railroad. Couldn't think of a more fitting tribute
That lady in the Kodak commercial is Harriet Nelson from the tv show Ozzy and Harriet that ran from 1952-1966. It was big stuff back then. And yes I remember it. I’m that old. 😂
I instantly laughed with the comment "This lady" lol
I was going to blame it on youth, but that is not the case. It is nothing more than just bad research!
Fun stuff ! Thank you for the detailed dive into history of the DL railroad !
I can’t recall her maiden name, but Harriet started as a singer working with Ozzy’s dance band in the thirties. One thing lead to another and they were wed. This rest is, as they say, history…
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Harriet Hilliard
Ahhhhh the good old days when people had common sense.
I miss those days 🥲
Gone Forever 😂
fake news accelerated loss of common sense I think, squeaken squekers lol
It’s not very common anymore.
In order to have common sense, you need to have a common people.
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The station was gutted about 20 years ago. The old interior had clear oak beadboard walls and ceiling that were painted a pale green. The bay facing the berm was the ticket office, and had a partition wall inside similar to what the offices in Main St station have. The bay facing the track was a telegraph office, and was partitioned off with a small fence to allow visitors to see the telegraph in action. The telegraph repeater was wired to a magnetic tape machine so that it would click out the message instead of them just playing an audio recording like they do now. The display cases in Main St station also came out of the Frontierland station and were on the wall facing the NOS tunnel. The freight house had originally housed public restrooms.
Sad to hear of so much high-quality material and effort having been replaced with cheaper stuff. It's a common thread in all of the last 75 years of Disneyland, and in American society at large.
Brickey’s b-roll footage is unmatched. Just gorgeous
"This lady" holding the camera in the commercial is Harriet Nelson of Ozzie and Harriet fame, wife of Ozzie, mother of Rick or Ricky Nelson! She was a very famous television star and would have been easily recognized by everyone at the time. Ah, fame is, indeed, fleeting.
Beat me to it!
The footage looks like a process shot to me.
@carlopanno6307 and it was like so many others used in advertising & The Wonderful World of Disney for Disneyland. People talk about AI special effects but the producer of the video was fooled by 100 year old special effects
Bluescreen
And the oldest Nelson son was David
Hey Brickey, the story I got was that the depot Ward Kimble got was just a 'flat' (3 sided), but more of a prop than a building. Walt went out to Wards property ro look at his trains one weekend and was regretting giving him such a nice building away, but Ward had put a ton of money into actually bringing the 'depot' prop up to code and making it into an actual building. He really got HOT at Walt for wanting to take it back.
When growing up, I would go to my cousin’s house in Arcadia and one block away Kimball would be steaming up his engine, and you can hear him go back-and-forth in his yard a few times we walked by and could see the train
Love the content! The stuff that makes Disneyland great. Not swearing would make this an even greater channel.
Another fantastic and well researched piece. Thank you! Learned something new …again from you. Keep bringing the fresh perspective and history to us! Loving it!
This was a great retrospective! The historical comparisons are really pretty stark.
One thing I'm a little confused by... If I were in charge, the construction walls would resemble the themed environment they're in, rather than using the same blue walls throughout the park.
Great episode Brickey! And speaking of theme park train derailments, I have a fun story. It was probably the initial year that Magic Mountain was open (it wasn't owned by Six Flags back then), and my mom took me to the park for the first time. I was probably 12 years old or so, and several minutes into the train ride it completely derailed! This was '71 or '72, so they didn't have great communication systems. I can't remember if I volunteered, or if I was asked, but I ended up running back down the tracks to the station to let staff know what had happened! The train had not tipped over, and no one had been injured - it simply came off the tracks. I really don't remember how they took me back to the train - or how they evacuated everyone - what stands out is the adrenaline rush of running to "save the day" for the passengers!
That unknown woman holding the movie camera was Harriet Nelson from Ozzie and Harriet Nelson
Love how many hidden Disney gems you have been able to uncover! Well done! ❤
The station from the film "So dear to my heart", that Walt gifted Ward Kimball, was a movie prop, so it was basically only what needed to be seen in the film. Because it was not a complete building, Ward Kimball said it was actually a great more trouble to turn it into a functioning building, than if he had simply built it from scratch. However, he accepted the gift, because he knew how much it meant to Walt, to accept a gift the gift, since the film was one of Walt's favorites. I don't think Walt ever understood how much work Ward Kimball had gone through to make it into the functional small station for the Grizzly Flats railroad, for him to request it be brought to Disneyland. It's also understandable why after all the trouble making a movie prop that wasn't intended to survive long after filming was completed, into an important part of his Grizzly Flats railroad, he refused to return it.
Thank you so much, Brickey! GREAT report!
Another spotting feature of Train #2: Holiday Red , is that it still has the 'Boxcar Red' Caboose on the tail end of it!
One could ride in the caboose back in the day. You could actually climb up into the upper part of it. You could see down into the bottom of the Grand Canyon floor up there.
As a train fan and a modeler, this was one of your best videos ever. Keep it up!
Excellent as always! I especially love these historical videos. I'm thankful for your videos because they allow me to be an imagineer, my childhood dream. Love you Brickey!
If you're going to do a video on Ward Kimball, you need to go to the rail museum in Perris, CA. They have a bunch of his collection there.
My daughter was married at the Perris museum last month. She and her husband both work on Main St vehicles.
Perris train museum is a gem if you’re into trains❤
@@anab.7450It really is. They have so much stuff
I had totally forgotten about the 2 trains. This video helped me to remember. I don’t remember how old I was when I rode the freight train but I was 6 or 7 years old I think
I love this stuff!! I'm quite surprised they would try cattle cars though. Coming off of WWII not that many years earlier, I would think people in cattle cars wouldn't be a good idea. As a train buff, I love the tid bits! Keep up the great entertainment.
You see though our cattle cars look different. These were old timey Western, not 4 wheel wagons with buffers!
Another great deep dive!
Another great video love your research and artistry. I do have a suggestion for a video if you take them?
Hay Bricky, we agree about the Haunted Mansion Gift Shop, Yuk🤮
Dang - cattle cars? I love how you uncover this surprising history.
That train is still there. It has been converted to a side facing people train and is now designated as “Holiday 2”. You can still see the differences in one car to the next and the heavier construction.
@@PorchPotatoMike Thanks! I always wondered why some trains had the side facing seats - those are the best 😊
Great video. Subscribed to your whole channel midway through this video, due to how great a job you did with this
Thanks for another history lesson Prof. B!
Great Video Brickey. Makes me want to go ride the trains.
Hey Brickey! Topic Suggestion: the gazebo that’s seen at 12:20 mark, which moved around the park at least three times. It’s now in a park somewhere not too far from Anaheim.
Dude I don’t know if I’ve ever been in that train building, let alone seen that train map. That’s awesome!
I think that "lady" in the 50's Kodak commercial is Harriet of The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet TV show.
Great research!
The steam bunker has a lot of mesh in front of it to make sure that the wild animals living in the park don't crawl in and get boiled alive.
That’s a great point!!! And would not be good if a little critter got in there.
Steamed Squirrel, tastes like chicken! Delicacy somewhere.
I just discovered that when I was growing up in Arcadia, California (1956-1968), I lived just 1.7 miles from Ward Kimball‘s house! I could’ve ridden my bike over there and asked to take a trip on the railroad at Grizzly Flats!
😭
Is that close to the park?
Ward & Betty Kimball lived @
8910 Ardendale Ave, San Gabriel, CA 91775
Home of the Grizzly Flats RR
Finally subscribed! It took a while to realize that your focus on Disneyland history and “what Walt did” is exactly what I’m interested in. Keep it up!
I did too!
Hey... Brickey.... it's awesome to see that second rail line is still there above the walkways. Great stuff.
Wow, more great research and information!
“No square inch goes unused at Disneyland”? Tomorrowland would like to have a word with you.
That old 'Starcade' is like a sad liminal space now.
I remember a time, when I was working at the French Market, that the train left the New Orleans station after filling with water and one of the railroad ties was on fire. We made the call to security, then took buckets of water onto the tracks to put out the fire, although I imagine that we weren't supposed to be on the tracks at all, ever, for any reason. It had the burn marks for the entire time I worked there. I assume they changed it out since.
Brickey I always enjoy your videos! Man, you are good at making them! The blue and white Disneyland hat would make a perfect Christmas gift for my bf! Will definitely get one for him!
I don't know if they still do it, but you use to be able to get cab rides on the Disneyland Railroad. On the tenders of a couple of locomotives there is a bench facing the locomotives cab. At, and only at, the Main Street station you can/could ask a conductor for a cab ride. If the train had the bench, the conductor will often let you ride on a complete ride around the park.
The telegraphic message uses International Morse Code, not what would be the authentic "railroad Morse," or American Morse code. Over 50 years ago, when I became a "ham" radio operator, there were still hams on the air who had been railroad telegraphers and they used "railroad Morse" to communicate with each other. Sadly, they've all gone "silent key" now.
Brickey! Love your content.
Question: I thought I heard and had seen before that the train station was used in the final photo of "Two Brothers" at the American Adventure when the family is bringing home one of the fallen brothers in a casket. The Train Station is listed as "Mullers Landing".
Love the story Bricky as always! By the way, the “lady” holding the Kodak film camera was Harriet Nelson - Ozzie Nelson’s of the 1950’s “Ozzie & Harriet” TV show. One of there son’s was of course the famous pop singer Ricky Nelson woh had numerous hits.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing the amazing history. 👍🏾👍🏾
You can also ask the railroad CMs "How many trains are you running?" to determine how long you gave to wait.
we recently found the abandoned tracks around the water. found old pics of the train on the old tracks. interesting the different routes the train's took as the park grew. great video (as usual) #VIBES
Fun video, it’s great seeing the old footage mixed with the current park. I can’t wait to buy a new hat. I hope the proceeds go to #savethekids.
What a great video. Well done!
Hey Brickey! Excellent video. One question that I have never seen answered. In the original configuration with the separate passenger train (round trip non stop from Main Street) and Freight Train (round trip non stop from Frontierland), I have only seen a water tower at Frontierland. Where was the 2nd water tower located that would refresh the passenger train? Thanks so much for your perspective on the parks!
Great question and not that I’m aware of. I would assume they either had one back where Small World stands today or they pulled into Frontierland.
@@hwaynecook historically it was always just the one iirc
The "lady " you mentioned was Harriet Nelson, star of 50s tv show "the adventures of Ozzie and Harriet."
The damaged baggage building was immortalized in the “Two Brothers” segment in EPCOT’S American Adventure as well as later iterations of Mr. Lincoln. It is labeled “Mullers Landing”.
So glad you made the comment about the Haunted Mansion gift shop. To me the style and scale just does't fit.
Frontierland train station is still there across from New Orleans square train station
Looking forward to the Ward Kimble video. Her was a cool guy!
In related Ward Kimball train things, the Southern California Railway Museum out in Perris has some of Ward's Grizzly Flats trains, as well as old Disneyland Main Entrance ticket booths, for anyone wanting to make the drive out there.
17:58 the money shot. Well done
I thought it was called Holiday red because the engine is the CK Holiday. He was one of the executives of the Santa Fe railroad.
I'm actually impressed that secondary railway is still even (partially?) there, as it seems Disney replaces the track -- they have been working on it recently.
Looks like a place to display the handcar.
I'm surprised they're not putting down a second track, even if they don't use it, to make the moved station blend in more. The wast space of open gravel is...weird.
The Orlando FL park had sent the "Lillie Belle" and another loco to Strasburg railroad in 2010, but Strasburg messed up the contract and they were ordered to be sent back to Orlando.
My boyfriend and I go the Disneyland almost once a week. And he love the train! We often go around asking cast members this question! Is the Disneyland Railroad a ride/attraction or is it transportation? I’m eager to hear people’s answers! 😊😂
@@more2me100 I see it as both. Originally an attraction, and expanded to become transportation
Mostly for transportation I think. But I think the dinosaur/grand canyon diorama thing is pretty unmissable. Used to love that as a kid.
In the Frontierland station, what is the DCA Telephone Baking System?
Love the ambient sound on the video
Are you thinking of making fitted hats? Snap backs never fit me right. Big head gang. Lol
I went to Disneyland in maybe 1971. I think I remember both stations.
One thing about Walt Disney
You did not mess with his train
I always thought it weird that engine 1 (C. K. Holliday) would pull RETLAW 2 and engine 2 (E. P. Ripley) would pull RETLAW 1.
Maybe it has something to do with "Retlaw" being "Walter", backwards? Nyuk nyuk!
That is part of the theming though. 1 is supposed to look like an "older" engine, with a wide stack and bright reds that has been demoted to freight service. 2 is the "new" engine, modern dark greens and a shotgun stack with brass trim, and it's 2 because it "arrived after" 1 had.
Mind you this is a very Disney-Kimball-esque generalization and plenty of rail historians would point at the Disneyland fleet as being a bit too bright and cartoonish, but it still has some basis in real rail history. Look at Central Pacific 60 "Jupiter" (not so much the modern more-historically accurate repainted blue version but the 1970's red version Ward Kimball painted to really show how Disney Imagineers viewed it at the time) and compare it to say Denver & Rio Grande 168, that's a 40 year evolution in design tastes in locomotives that Disneyland was imitating.
It was probably also quite disturbing to a lot of WWII surviviors -- which almost everyone was at the time Disneyland first opened -- to be carried in cattle cars, considering what cattle cars were used for by a certain Axis power....
Hahaha, that lady in the Kodak commercial is Harriet Nelson. Harriet is the Mother of David & Ricky, and wife to Ozzie.
All together they had a TV show called, The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet...Great classic show.
Ricky Nelson, had a huge singing career with hits, Hello Mary Lou, Lonesome Town, Traveling Man & Garden Party. He had many hits!!!
👍👍
Great video!
I have an old german model train magazine from the early 90s, with a large article about the Grizzly Flats garden railroad (and a german gentleman who built a scale model of it off of photos)
Grizzley Flat was a thriving little town in El Dorado County, CA, until it was burned off the map by the Caldor Fire on August 16, 2021.
😢
12:33 "This lady" is Harriet Nelson, co-star of a 1950s television sitcom.
"Guests could travel like livestock" even back in the day Disney wanted to treat the 'guests' like cattle.
It’s too bad Disney didn’t find a way to use at least some of this building in the new shed . Then there would have had a bit of vintage history in structure. It would been a cost saving and far more attractive than what they chose.
I heard Walt's friend in Europe wanted to use cattle cars too.
I'm enjoying this mystery!
Another Disney mystery uncovered
I literally said “like the new carriage house” at the same time that you did… I honestly don’t have as big of a problem with the theming of the carriage house (like everyone else does) as much as the shame that they messed up the scale of the mansion with that monstrosity. 🤦🏼♂️
Walt could have eliminated the need for manual switching by having the trains travel in opposite directions with spring loaded switches that always sent the trains to the right, but also allow trains going in the other direction to pass over the switch due to being spring loaded and not fixed.
Then some moron would back the train partly on the switch and the same thing would happen.
I enjoy your videos Brickey. However your diagram of the train derailment is incorrect. Also, the only photographs of the accident shows the switch was thrown from the main track to the siding the rear end of the Caboose (Which later became the Lilly Belle) that derailed actually didn't derail but started down the siding track.
I've heard there may be two separate incidents. One told by Michael Broggie in His book and possibly a separate incident told by Ward Kimball.
The lady who was singing to the guest, is Cathy Lennon of the Lennon Sisters. They were on the Lawrence welk show
It’s not abandoned. It’s just not accessible to guests inside. CM’s use it.
The Frontier train station was next to the Indian village. I rode on the train that looked like a fright train with my grandma and as I remember it wasn’t very fun because we couldn’t see anything. There were no windows.
You had slats. Not good enough?
What is the status on the building that has been covered for 2 years? What was it used for? Does it really need to be there if it hasn't been repaired?
Riding in the Casey Jr wild cage car made me feel like a Tiger
It is not about courtesy, it is a massive difference in volume.
Lived down the block from Ward Kimble's house . good times
You did'nt mention that the Frontierland Station make a apperance in EPCOT The American Adventure in the 2 brother scene finale.
Always leave part of the story behind to make another video series that ties an older video to bring it back to life 😉
A couple of your clips look like they come from a movie. What movie is it?
Love the hat it’s my new favorite holiday hat
Thanks, Bricky for a great story. My wifey coined a phrase for train lovers like me. Fero-Equine-ologist. Iron Horse Experts.
Hey Brickey? How old is this video you made?
@@gododgers081 about 90 minutes
@@HeyBrickey Good for you for doing the whole script off the top of your head. That's awesome.
Love ❤ this video!
I'm told there's a cast restaurant on the other side of the old station!
At 12:23 That lady happens to be Harriet Nelson (from Ozzie & Harriet). You should know that.
Hi Mr Red!
I think it's less of having common sense (for the lack of railings, etc.) and more the fact that as time goes by, mishaps are statistically inevitable, and after so many years, enough mishaps will happen that would cause safety measures to prevent future mishaps. I don't think it has anything to do with people, in general, losing their common sense.
More common sense? Probably, but also people used to get run over by trains a lot more 😅