It's such a shame that _Enterprise_ flopped. There was an opportunity there to tell the story of the Federation's birth out of Romulan aggression. If they had just skipped the whole Xindi plot and went straight to that, it might have run seven seasons.
+Ryan MacFarlane The problem mainly was, in the end they didn't have ideas. Okay, they had. But they didn't have *good* ideas anymore. And then they started to end storylines like the Temporal Cold War with unlogical things just to make some lame stuff then.
Eisvisage Well, my tendency is to think they were trying to come up with something completely new and fresh: new villains, new species, new threats, and that this diluted their creative vision to an irrecoverable extent. _Enterprise_ was at its best when it was telling stories about Vulcan, Andoria, and the Orion syndicate, but lost the plot entirely when it brought in the Suliban, the Xindi, and so forth. In my view, _Enterprise_ was trying so hard to generate something radically new and fresh that it missed the opportunity to develop truly original ideas out of the existing canon. The Xinidi arc was actually a great story, but it just wasn't appropriate for the show in my opinion. _Enterprise_ was pitched to viewers as a prequel to earlier _Trek_ series', but failed to capitalized on so many satisfying prequel stories that would have otherwise compelled the fan base.
It's really a shame. The 4th season of Enterprise was some of the best trek ever made. Had the other three seasons been up to that caliber, the series could have gone past seven seasons.
The issue was that they felt the need to delve into _everything_ they could for that series. They were more focused on expanding the lore and the number of aliens and cool tech they could include than creating a real prequel that told a coherent story.
I agree. I feel like I remember hearing somewhere that they basically already knew the show wasn't going to get the seven seasons the others had gotten, which might explain why everything was so rushed. The worst part about the show is probably the ending, with them killing off a main character for seemingly no other reason than "they thought they should."
The third star trek "Dark Age" may be coming to a close but can we please, please stop with all the prequel's. I really want a series that takes place after Voyager gets back to earth.
Singer's "Star Trek: Federation" would be an amazing idea. Not only would a show taking place after the 30th century be a fresh start, it would be so far in the future that there would be room to create more series in between the gap of time. Not only that but it wouldn't have to be so conservative about ruining the existing lore because the hundreds of years since the last series would allow it to create new changes in the trek universe. Also why wasn't there a single idea revolving around Q or any mention of Q for that matter.
devastator5042 Yeah, I would prefer a live action one and it be closer to the TNG era where it was fifty to a hundred years after the TNG era, but the idea would make sense and relate-able as we live in a age where we are more concern about defense and exploration and why we attached ourselves so quickly to the idea of going to Mars and the Moon now more then ever.
+Mark Haushahn There is the possibility that any Star Trek TV show that takes place in the JJ Abrams universe may be a reboot of the old shows of the same name, but they will be a brand new experience that will never repeat the same mistakes as its predecessors. Wesley Crusher and Neelix, the two most hated characters in the Star Trek mythos prior to Enterprise, will be likeable characters who act like real people. Instead of losing in a fist fight to every scrawny alien the Enterprise comes across, Worf would be kicking ass and taking names. The possibilities for fixing the mistakes of the past are endless.
+Michael Winter I actually love that idea, especially if the audience didn't know there were Starfleet scientists who had infiltrated society to study them until perhaps the finale of the first season. The show could really expand on the idea of the TNG episode "First Contact" while incorporating some of the issues we face in the people who (often violently) oppose globalism and multiculturalism.
+Michael Winter I would watch the shit out of that one. I've always been a sucker for all the episodes of Star Trek which deal with pre-warp societies.
+Lutranereis It'd be cool if the pre-warp actors changed every episode but the Starfleet scientist actors stayed the same as to allow focus of different issues.
+Michael Winter This is the best idea I've read in this comment section. This would be interesting to long-time fans but also would introduce the universe to new audiences.
+Michael Winter That is a REALLY neat idea, and it would give the writers a chance to develop an alien society just a bit advanced from our current one.
Star Trek Federation seems to honor the seriousness, and forward looking efforts of Roddenberry. It drips with opportunity for more societal commentary as the ebb and flow, growth and decline of societies challenge our nature. "Make it so!..."
If you're going to do a Star Trek sitcom, it has to be an all Ferengi show. Like Coneheads but with Ferengi. Call it *It's always rainy on Ferenginar* Or you can do a show where a documentary crew comes to a miranda class starship where its crazy crew has to put up with its idiotic captain played by Steve Carell. Call it *The Bridge* Also Craig Robinson can play the chief engeneer and Melora Hardin can play a crazy admiral who falls in love with the captain. Or you can make one where a Captain has to go back to starfleet academy where he has to get into a Klingon study group with a middle aged divorced Betazoid, a liberated Orion slave girl he wants to date, an old Trill man, a shy young andorian girl and a Bajoran teen who wants to make holonovels. Call it *Academy*
+Katsarelas That's a good idea. They could kill him off at the end of every episode. Shoot him, stab him, throw him down the stairs, eject him into space, gas him to death with continuous Klingon farts.....LOL. :-)
+TheMultiGunMan - I want to make that into a video game. The whole goal is killing Wesley. A temporal paradox brings him back at every new level. At the end of the game, Wesley gets assimilated by the borg and you have to fight him as the boss.
Kesyabasturd honestly this is the best series idea I've ever heard...it could be set at the time o khaless (or right after his death to free the writers up). The only problem is GOT is so incredible because George rr Martin takes insane risks that a lazy writer wouldn't take...idk if the suits at Star Trek necessarily have the scrote to take the same risks...but if done right it would be phenomenal
I always found the Klingon episodes tiresome. Tongue-in-cheek, I postulated the "Three-Klingon Rule:" if there are three or more Klingons in a scene, one of them *must* mention "blood wine," *always* with just a half-beat in front of "blood" when the line is delivered.
The last series didnt had any of that and still failed. Star Treks problem is the perspective: The original show experimented a lot and created the framework of a new fictional universe. After that, the movies and Next Generation series changed the focus on filling out and expanding this world, which was fine at the time. People wanted to discover those things and get to know more about their known and beloved races, characters & societies. But after so many years, we know every small thing that there is and it got boring. Producers still dont get it and try to milk the same old stuff from the 60s. They rebooted it inofficially with Voyager, but in the end, they just did same old formulas, gave them new names & faces and called it "creative and innovative". Same with new movies nowadays. Its still the same old stuff, polished with better CGI. Its still boring. tl;dr If you want Star Trek to continue successfully, you need to create new stuff again, like the original series did. Dont look back anymore. Stop recycling. Look forward.
I always thought a cop Star Trek show would be good. Something like " Star Trek: Federation Marshals". The concept would revolve around the small crew of a Federation police ship who investigate crimes and hunt down the perpetrators on the fringes of Federation territory. It would get deep into Federation law and politics. Answering a lot of question on how the Federation actually functions.
+Keith Barrett I would like that, too. I've always been fascinating by the hints at an underworld/black market that includes Federation citizens. We have Vash, a human theif, but all around her episodes there's so much pontificating about how humans are too evolved to be selfish that it's easy to forget that the Federation isn't some cosmic Pleasantville.
It would be like CHIPS in space....Instead of motorcycles, it could be um, SPACE motorcycles, yeah that's it.....I'm using the originality of hollywood there, if you couldn't tell...
I would disagree about the first and second "dark ages", during those years the show was shown in syndication, and in syndication its viewership and fanbase greatly expanded.
id like to see a mini series. where every episode jumps around not in just story but characters and times(like 90s sci fi thriller shows) . it would allow many ideas to be tested and when one or two of the episodes get the most ratings or whatever , might sway the producers to invest in a new direction
"Star Trek: Federation" sounds like a great concept. It could allude to the US and the world today and be a commentary of what has happened since the original series and how its message seems to be lost today. Too bad that they decided to go with just another prequel instead.
Star Trek: Federation was inspired by the Foundation series -- which used the Roman Empire as the creative basis for the series -- by Isaac Asimov. I think you will love it if you like the concept of Star Trek: Federation; it is one of the best science fiction series, in my opinion.
So happy there's a new video! I'm always so excited to see a you guys in my subscription box. I'll definitely check out the new channel. Keep up the great work!
A few years back, I had an idea for a Trek show that would open with the graduation ceremony of a new generation of Starfleet Officers. One of them would be the series center as he or she would, over the course of the series' run, would move from assignment to assignment. So the show would follow the career of one officer. the fluidity of the setting would make sure that the show itself could be adapted as it went on to keep things fresh. the title I had in mind was Starfleet: The Great Journey. I had this idea that Admiral Janeway would give a "Starfleet is the Great Journey" speech at the graduation ceremony to establish a connection to the title, and each episode would have a voiced narrative from the central character akin to TNG's "Data's Day" and ENT's "Dear Doctor." which would be representative of the log entries. The rest of the crew characters would not be treated as secondary characters, but would be written as leads just like a typical ensemble trek cast. But if the central character is reassigned, a new crew cast would be brought in. Think of it like watching every TNG episode with Obrien in it and then switch to Deep Space Nine. Of course, the central character's ;og entry narrative would start mentioning the approaching end of his or her tour of duty on that ship or base, with possible mention of where the next assignment is, so there would be as much apprehension and anticipation for the viewers as there would be for the character. In fact there could be some two- or three-episode story arcs where the character ends up at different temporary assignments before returning to the regular ship or station... And on assignments like that, the central character could be reunited with one or more fellow graduates... Like I said, its about being able to tell whatever sort of Star Trek story needs telling with the ability to change directions if needed to keep the concepts new. It seems that Discovery is sort of taking this approach with the series being more focused on Burnham as the central character while still keeping its ensemble cast just as important. I don't feel like my idea was "stolen". Just that someone else came to a similar logical conclusion.
Well here we are in 2020, and I would still consider this a Dark Age. Nothing but reboots, prequels, and Picard, a show written by people who didn't watch TNG.
@@PeterParker-yg6fc Ah, yes, the superficial nostalgia-bait references definitely are more important than actually maintaining any semblance of continuity with the major plotlines and character personalities. And they definitely make up for the shitty ass-pull writing where characters simply act according to the plot with no regard for their established personalities, beliefs, or motivations.
Love the production quality and the ingenuity you all put into this, an episode on Enterprise (my favorite series) may produce some interesting content for you all!
I love the idea of Star Trek Federation. If you look online you can find details on the characters and main plot line that was created and they're awesome.
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This video actually really disappointed me, but not in the way you think. A lot of those ideas for new shows sounded good (at least in theory), and there were a lot, so there was NO reason we should have gone through such a Trek Drought for so long. I'm kind of on the fence with the JJ-Verse: I liked it, then I hated it, now I'm not crazy about it but I don't hate it. I actually wouldn't mind multiple crossovers from the JJ-Verse and the Prime Universe, though have it happen IN THE FUTURE. That franchise fatigue they were talking about? I personally think it comes from redoing Kirk & Co. over and over again. Federation and a couple others had the right idea: head to the future. Stop looking back.
Not just Dark Ages. But also vandalizing barbarians, sickening plagues, inquisitions, and jihads. Perhaps Star Trek will emerge into an age of reason again. If it survives CBS.
I found it interesting you mention the dark ages of Star Trek when I think of those I think the most recent years with the JG Abrams films dues are the dark ages of Star Trek we must return to the original
After finally visiting the animated series a couple of years ago, I'm disappointed they never went that route again. It could be an easier avenue to explore other sci fi concepts that live action can't do easily.
Well done. Several of these ideas/pitches were new to me- the medical ship concept and the Harry Mudd ideas were a surprise. Carmen music a great start- and bonus points for using the Falconcrest theme and typeface to represent the San Francisco based academy series. I do take issue with the 80's being in the "Dark Ages" but I get that this universe graphic is TV specific. Finally bonus 2- The idea of "ages" of Trek- totally like the "ages" of comics. Overall, a well well thought out, and well produced piece. Subscribe was a no-brainer.
I think, the way enterprise was going in its 3rd and 4th would have been a good compromise between old and new fans. Sad it was cancelled and didnt get a chance like TNG to find the perfect balance...
+Worf Sonofmogh It made it to syndication so was actually considered a hit overall. But with TV audiences falling and the subsequent fall in advertising revenue keeping an expensive sci-fi TV show on air just wasn't affordable. That's the reason the new show is for CBS's online streaming service they are hoping the trek base will be willing to pay a monthly fee for more TV trek for long enough to allow the service to be established. I just see people torrenting it and then it and the streaming service being killed of in less than 2 years.
+Ushio01 almost for sure if it's region locked like most US Streaming services, even the international ones like Amazon and Netflix have massive differences in content. I'll pay to watch Trek, if some one will let me.
+Ushio01 if theyre hoping that the Trek base will be willing to pay money to watch Trek, theyre propably right. But if that is the plan, then hopefully they will do some real Trek and not "JJTrek" to win the trek fanbase for CBS early access...
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+Trekspertise yes apparently he does, B5 had some solid writing, a trek series under his leadership would have been interesting and probably surpassed the likes of Voyager and ENT. I look forward to see what Bryan Fuller can bring to the franchise, his past work on Trek is kind of a mixed bag so we'll see. I suspect with Fuller being gay, we will be seeing an LGBT main character in some form and at last we will see Trek *directly* handling it, and handling it well I hope.
+Ricardo Warner I just starting re-watching DS9 on netflix and I cannot believe how many coincidences/similarities there are to B5 plot points. And DS9 really holds up on repeat viewings even more so than TNG. After a long day, watching DS9 is a welcome diversion.
+Romancefantasy I love ds9 because almost every character was developed and they had some depth to them. I savour my ds9 viewing, I watch it every 2 or 3 years and it is still just as enjoyable.
The idea for Hopeship sounds good but that name is awful. I'm also a little put off when actors propose ideas based around their characters. Funny enough Shatner is the one with the reputation for being an egomaniac and his was the only actor proposal that called for his character to be played by someone else. :)
The Bryan Singer concept sounds fantastic. A Sulu series would have been great, as would a Klingon series. The medical ship show would have been good. Kinda like Quincy (or maybe St. Elsewhere) in space. I always liked the Dr. M'Benga character a lot, and he was a very progressive character for the time. An educated, professional black man, well-respected by his colleagues. And he had a cool ethnic name. A series focusing on Scotty might have been interesting. They could have come up with all sorts of technical and engineering problems for him, re-vitalizing derelict ships, etc. Maybe even another Khan tie-in or something similar. Lots of potentially good material out there. Nice video.
I so would have wanted an animated ferringi show with Quark. Armin did a grand job of salvaging the Ferringi. Granted he was the original ferringi too but he shouldn't feel too guilty. After all NOBODY had quite figured them out yet.
I agree. Nearly every aspect of trek since 2009 has been actively hostile to established trek fans, the history and lore of trek. It embodies none of treks core meanings
A Star Trek series based in our timeline where the eugenics wars and the 3rd world war don't happen, set in the sort of enterprise era but also re-arrange the other species and change thing up a bit, like aggressive vulcans and maybe a new species nearby.
I think trekkies want NO MORE PRE PRE PRE BS....17 years gone by and still not a single episode that is set after the events of Nemesis....man cmon...give us a trek in the future, not again in the past like discovery...
Love this channel! The video made me wonder about Axanar, In all likelihood I think it'll be axed before production wraps but I think conceptually it looked interesting.
Isnt the new Star Trek not some kind of an "Ultra-Dark-Age" ? And Rikkers Idea would have been by far the best way to bring Star Trek back ... They had many Novels to base upon . They could bring back many of the old TNG Actors, maybe even DS9 and VOY Actors, new ones of course aswell ( Bridge Crew i.e ) and so on. But hey, lets fuck up the Franchise with a pointless new Movie Series, which in my opinion goes against everything Roddenberry wanted for Star Trek. The new Star Trek is more like Star Wars than Star Trek.
Yeah but it simple is, Star Trek was always the SciFi for "Intelligent" People which had sometimes sophisticated Storylines and Star Wars was just some regular Fantasy-SciFi-Action ( which doesnt mean that Star Wars is for stupid People )
+Emm Ess Agreed. The time before Voyager is completely known to us. The TNG-/Voyager-Era itself has been overused (3 series so far). But the future setting would be very interesting. I always was curious how the Federation developed time travel in both the 26th (TNG episode) and 29th century.
+Emm Ess Could not agree more. I am sick of reboots, sick of the JJverse, and sick of people who think the TNG-era Federation is "old and tired". No, it was the *writers* who got old and tired. So: bring in fresh young writers, but have them set stories in the known and familiar TNG universe. Oh, and get rid of the dreary grey-top uniforms while you're at it, willya? Things make it look like everyone's about to attend a funeral right after wrapping the shoot.
Totally agree! Whatever else it may be please be prime universe and post-TNG/DS9/Voy. I love that era, but it's a bit well used at this point. Hell, I even like Enterprise, but let's go forward. (And the less saud about the Abramsverse, the better.)
Maybe enough in the future where they're seriously researching time travel? Show the steps taken to the 29th century episodes in Voyager & 31st century episodes in Enterprise.
I think a Time Trek where they fallow a ship like the Relativity (from voyager) from the 29-31 centuries would be rad and they would explore the entire Trek timeline.
An impressive article you have produced. Some of it I had of course heard about but much was new to me. I suppose that I am glad that I did not know about some of it because I would have been sorely disappointed that it never came out. Thanks!
If every episode literally ended with him ramming the ship... then yes... oh god, YES! Also - Warf should be nude when he gives the order. I always wondered what Klingon cock looked like. They can put it on HBO.
William Shatner hosted Chaos on the Bridge, 53 minutes long. It is a documentary of the whole production nastiness that happened pre/early days of TNG. You might want to watch it.
Little known fact, the "Questor Tapes" concept, of an android seeking to become more human, was later re-worked yet again, into the character of Lt. Cmdr. Data, on TNG. :)
I also like the concept of their ST Lost Frontier series. Thanks for mentioning this, because it looks like they made a handful of more Section 31 episodes after they said it was over. I've got some listening to do. :-D
A post-apocalyptic Federation could be cool. A cross between Mad Max (ugly human savagery) and Indiana Jones ("ancient" high-tech gizmos)? Temporal "Section 31" operatives going _back from the future_ to fight in their time war? A racial vendetta against the evilly arrogant Vulcan-Romulan Imperium which nuked Earth back into the stone age? An Interstellar Eugenics War involving many species? A small human Federation voice lost in a chorus of galaxy-spanning supercivilizations? Just keep suckheads like Shatner, Riker, Troi, Wesley, and Neelix out of it.
Thanks for the Trek! Leaves us wanting more. Honestly we still miss Voyager, the Borg, Q and Seven of Nine. Hoping for a future series as worthy this was and still is in rerun form.
Because Trek has always been such a demanding production scheduled, I would suggest putting 3 or 4 separate concepts into production each with a production schedule of 3 or 4 times longer than before.This would be vary similar to how the cop shows McCloud, Columbo, McMillan and wife all sheared the the 'Mystery Movie' time slot back in the `70s I can personaly think of at least half a dozen possibilities just sitting here.
Star Trek Aftermath: It follows the events of Star Trek Voyager from the aliens' perspective. No humans in the series. It's about the aliens rebuilding from all the stuff Captain Janeway did.
Rewatching this great video nearly 5 years later. Concept with a older more beaten federation set in 3000s with the Romulans and Vulcans persuing reunification....so like the current plot threads in DISCO. It's interesting that many of these concepts and ideas seem to have popped up in the various more recent ST series.
+Kleavers Thank you! Yea, funny thing about that. Ronald D. Moore, famed DS9 writer, worked on Voyager for one episode. He felt creatively inhibited on the Voyager team, so he left Star Trek. Years later, Moore gives us the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Coincidence? I think not... =)
+Kleavers When people say they want the next Star Trek to be like BSG i'm not entirely sure what they're asking for. What exactly did that series do that you would want to see in a new Trek show that wouldn't be completely miss the point of what Star Trek actually is. A miserable tone ? Bad camera work ? Wandering around space not interacting with anything ? Character motivations that don't make sense ? Contrived storylines ? Plotholes ? A bad ending ? A great theme song ? That must be it. I want the new Star Trek to be like BSG in that i want a great theme song.
The Questor Tapes was about an android trying to find its "creator". It had much more in common with V'Ger from The Motion Picture and Mr. Data than it did Gary Seven. It has been theorized that Gene recycled some of the Questor back story for Data.
Honestly, I don't think you can say Phase II was a "Trek not Taken." Even acknowledged here, the first movie was essentially the intended pilot of Phase II. And of course, the TNG episodes "The Child" and "Devil's Due" were 2 additional scripts from that project. Phase II had a clear influence on both the official franchise and fan fiction for years to come. There's much more on the Phase II development on the ST:TMP Director's Edition DVD.
here is an idea for a ST reboot, at the end of ST:Beyond, have William Shatner jump out of Bed, Proclaim "What a NightMare" and then put on a star fleet uniform and go off to work as a principal of the academy, and have that show with shatner as the lead.
I always thought Agent Seven would be a good spin off, and said so when watching the first reruns. Of course I wanted to be an archeologist and thought a series about federation archeologists would have been fascinating. It would have dealt with living history like the Gaurdian of Forever and would have opened the series up to endless possibilities. Perhaps this one could still work.
Okay, I have to laugh a little as I am seeing this for the first time in 2020 when the new "Star Trek" series have been produced and it's more of a dark age than not having any Star Trek.
If you figure the Abrams rubbish is better than DS9 or Voyager, you've just told me all I need to know about your judgement. Voyager wasn't perfect. Much of the time it was Lost in Space meets Gilligan's Island. DS9 also had the occasional flaw. But I challenge you to find anything in Abrams's two films that approaches the subtlety of episodes like "Blink of an Eye" or "In the Pale Moonlight." Difference isn't frightening. But it's also not equally good by virtue of being different.
interesting how these ideas tend to sit around for decades before being picked up. the academy years concept got made into Star Trek 09, and star trek federation seems similar to the plot of DISCO season 3.
I would totally be down for s war ravaged, morally flexible Star Trek. I absolutely loved bsg because everyone had flaws, some were liars, some were sex addicts, alcoholics and thieves to me every one in star trek is too moral I suppose that's why I liked ds9 because the characters had flaws
+TheBritishGeek Roddenburry would never have allowed that when he was alive. I remember reading somewhere the writers who worked with him in the early "Next Generation" run were constantly arguing with him because he didn't want any of the characters to ever disagree or argue and his vision of the future had to be perfect and everyone had to get along and be happy all the time.
Chris McWilliams Thats a very unrealistic view of the future though, we as humans are very adversarial. To be star trek has always been about morals vs nature. for example the klingons represent the human need for violence and bloodshed but that constantly conflicts with our morals (the federation)
TheBritishGeek Well, apparently he was hung up on his vision of the future being Utopia and he was constantly refusing to let the writers show the main characters arguing with each other or disagreeing with each other in any way. Frankly, from what I read, it really frustrated the writers because it sucked the drama and conflict out of the show. I guess that's why it all had to come from the aliens.
Chris McWilliams I dont want to speak ill of the dead but it seems roddenburry didn't know what makes good drama. he had a fantastic idea with star trek but i can be so much more if you see those crack in the utopia. to me DS9 was probably the best star trek because it showed that that utopia is maintained by some very bad people.
TheBritishGeek After he passed the writers were more free to do stuff like that. Like in "DS9" when they had that secret intelligence branch from Star Fleet that was into all that dark and questionable stuff (mind control and whatnot). They never would've been able to get away with that on his watch.
What about "Star Trek: Sex Ship"? You know, everyone's boning everyone else. So, really, there is a lot of exploration "where no man has gone before." Gimme a THUMBS UP if you like my wacky idea!
It is sad to see so many good ideas get shot down before they could even get off the ground let alone fly. I would love to see a new animated Trek series as I am a fan of the Filmation series.
+BADBOYCH Star Trek: Final Frontier had all kinds of great ideas. It is my favorite series not produced. Seriously, go read the storyboards at their website.
I agree ... Discovery _looks_ fantastic. Latest CGI/VFX, great props, costumes, background fixtures, visually very impressive. But I found it hard to watch. Dark and edgy and bright and lens-glaring all at the same time. Rampant with unlikable Mary Sue characters, weak plots, cheap old auctorial tricks, and predictable cliffhangers. It's just dull and plodding ... it _looks_ great but it _feels_ like a real strain to watch.
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At least we got the officially 'not - Star Trek' "The Orville" that is inspired by many of the techs and storylines from Star Trek, and is written and produced by folks who were involved in the Golden Age of Star Trek in the late 1980s and 1990s.
you should do a video about the different captains and their leadership styles. How the way changed sisko, and how Janeway became the mother figure to her crew, or how Archer was forced into war, even though he resisted, and how that changed his command style.
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If only that Star Trek sitcom had come to be, it could have been called "Keeping up with the Cardassians."
Would watch, but partially because I am starved for new material. Plus, it wouldn't be yet another prequel.
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Has anyone ever told you, you sound very similar to Tim Russ?
I do? Wild.
It's such a shame that _Enterprise_ flopped. There was an opportunity there to tell the story of the Federation's birth out of Romulan aggression. If they had just skipped the whole Xindi plot and went straight to that, it might have run seven seasons.
+Ryan MacFarlane The problem mainly was, in the end they didn't have ideas. Okay, they had. But they didn't have *good* ideas anymore. And then they started to end storylines like the Temporal Cold War with unlogical things just to make some lame stuff then.
Eisvisage Well, my tendency is to think they were trying to come up with something completely new and fresh: new villains, new species, new threats, and that this diluted their creative vision to an irrecoverable extent.
_Enterprise_ was at its best when it was telling stories about Vulcan, Andoria, and the Orion syndicate, but lost the plot entirely when it brought in the Suliban, the Xindi, and so forth. In my view, _Enterprise_ was trying so hard to generate something radically new and fresh that it missed the opportunity to develop truly original ideas out of the existing canon.
The Xinidi arc was actually a great story, but it just wasn't appropriate for the show in my opinion. _Enterprise_ was pitched to viewers as a prequel to earlier _Trek_ series', but failed to capitalized on so many satisfying prequel stories that would have otherwise compelled the fan base.
It's really a shame. The 4th season of Enterprise was some of the best trek ever made. Had the other three seasons been up to that caliber, the series could have gone past seven seasons.
The issue was that they felt the need to delve into _everything_ they could for that series. They were more focused on expanding the lore and the number of aliens and cool tech they could include than creating a real prequel that told a coherent story.
I agree. I feel like I remember hearing somewhere that they basically already knew the show wasn't going to get the seven seasons the others had gotten, which might explain why everything was so rushed. The worst part about the show is probably the ending, with them killing off a main character for seemingly no other reason than "they thought they should."
The third star trek "Dark Age" may be coming to a close but can we please, please stop with all the prequel's. I really want a series that takes place after Voyager gets back to earth.
Jason Keller star trek odyessy and star trek online will be your fix then
Jason Keller i want to see a far into the future virsion
cunning wolf
See what happens in the 29th century.
Jason Keller enterprise Z was further than that I thought 0.o WHEN THE HELL WAS THEIR AN ENTERPRISE Z hold on where the hell have i been
make your own.
Singer's "Star Trek: Federation" would be an amazing idea. Not only would a show taking place after the 30th century be a fresh start, it would be so far in the future that there would be room to create more series in between the gap of time. Not only that but it wouldn't have to be so conservative about ruining the existing lore because the hundreds of years since the last series would allow it to create new changes in the trek universe. Also why wasn't there a single idea revolving around Q or any mention of Q for that matter.
Watching this in 2020... OMG you have no idea the Horror's that await you...
Indeed.
That Star Trek Federation show idea sounds really interesting, as does Final Frontier.
+Joshua Dunbar
Especially Star Trek Final Frontier since it would make sense, especially closer to the end of the TNG Era.
+raw666 the idea isn't bad but the concept art turns me off
devastator5042 Yeah, I would prefer a live action one and it be closer to the TNG era where it was fifty to a hundred years after the TNG era, but the idea would make sense and relate-able as we live in a age where we are more concern about defense and exploration and why we attached ourselves so quickly to the idea of going to Mars and the Moon now more then ever.
+Joshua Dunbar I've always been interested in the alternate universe and a Klingon Star Trek series.
+Mark Haushahn There is the possibility that any Star Trek TV show that takes place in the JJ Abrams universe may be a reboot of the old shows of the same name, but they will be a brand new experience that will never repeat the same mistakes as its predecessors. Wesley Crusher and Neelix, the two most hated characters in the Star Trek mythos prior to Enterprise, will be likeable characters who act like real people. Instead of losing in a fist fight to every scrawny alien the Enterprise comes across, Worf would be kicking ass and taking names. The possibilities for fixing the mistakes of the past are endless.
I really wish they had made Star Trek: Federation. What an awesome concept!
Star Trek: Prime Directive. Follow a near-warp society that has Federation agents watching its development. Relationships ensue; drama occurs.
+Michael Winter I actually love that idea, especially if the audience didn't know there were Starfleet scientists who had infiltrated society to study them until perhaps the finale of the first season. The show could really expand on the idea of the TNG episode "First Contact" while incorporating some of the issues we face in the people who (often violently) oppose globalism and multiculturalism.
+Michael Winter I would watch the shit out of that one. I've always been a sucker for all the episodes of Star Trek which deal with pre-warp societies.
+Lutranereis It'd be cool if the pre-warp actors changed every episode but the Starfleet scientist actors stayed the same as to allow focus of different issues.
+Michael Winter This is the best idea I've read in this comment section. This would be interesting to long-time fans but also would introduce the universe to new audiences.
+Michael Winter That is a REALLY neat idea, and it would give the writers a chance to develop an alien society just a bit advanced from our current one.
I would welcome a 24th century Trek series in the Prime Universe... the Captain Worf concept would be great!
Star Trek Federation seems to honor the seriousness, and forward looking efforts of Roddenberry. It drips with opportunity for more societal commentary as the ebb and flow, growth and decline of societies challenge our nature.
"Make it so!..."
If you're going to do a Star Trek sitcom, it has to be an all Ferengi show. Like Coneheads but with Ferengi. Call it *It's always rainy on Ferenginar*
Or you can do a show where a documentary crew comes to a miranda class starship where its crazy crew has to put up with its idiotic captain played by Steve Carell. Call it *The Bridge* Also Craig Robinson can play the chief engeneer and Melora Hardin can play a crazy admiral who falls in love with the captain.
Or you can make one where a Captain has to go back to starfleet academy where he has to get into a Klingon study group with a middle aged divorced Betazoid, a liberated Orion slave girl he wants to date, an old Trill man, a shy young andorian girl and a Bajoran teen who wants to make holonovels. Call it *Academy*
+Niru-Kun *Slow clap*
Even slower clap... so slow, you will surely think I clapped once.
+Niru-Kun I'm seeing "Reno 911" in space. :)
+Niru-Kun Any Trek sitcom would need Morn. Morn!!!!
I could actually see that as a short skit like maybe a youtube thing or something. Someone out there with the resources, get on this.
What about "Everybody Hates Wesley"?
+Katsarelas www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6705867/b18128a7/make_it_so.html "shut up wesley"
btw.. i get mad goosebumps listing to that "song"
+Katsarelas That's a good idea. They could kill him off at the end of every episode. Shoot him, stab him, throw him down the stairs, eject him into space, gas him to death with continuous Klingon farts.....LOL. :-)
+TheMultiGunMan
YOU KILLED WESLEY ! YOU BASTIDS!
+TheMultiGunMan - I want to make that into a video game. The whole goal is killing Wesley. A temporal paradox brings him back at every new level. At the end of the game, Wesley gets assimilated by the borg and you have to fight him as the boss.
a new dark age would have been better that what we got. "sad, isn't it."
I would welcome a Klingon show, seeing all the Houses go at it over power, be like Game of Thrones.
House Of Mogh.
I'd watch.
Kesyabasturd honestly this is the best series idea I've ever heard...it could be set at the time o khaless (or right after his death to free the writers up). The only problem is GOT is so incredible because George rr Martin takes insane risks that a lazy writer wouldn't take...idk if the suits at Star Trek necessarily have the scrote to take the same risks...but if done right it would be phenomenal
Trekspertise Oh I would watch the shit out of that.
Frank R. Ashby, Jr. Yeah if they have the right people it could actually work plus its wouldn't have the Federation restrictions.
I always found the Klingon episodes tiresome. Tongue-in-cheek, I postulated the "Three-Klingon Rule:" if there are three or more Klingons in a scene, one of them *must* mention "blood wine," *always* with just a half-beat in front of "blood" when the line is delivered.
Some of that DS9 space footage looked re-mastered. Where did you find it?
I knew that Assignment: Earth had to be a pilot for a Gary Seven series. It had a very pilot episode feel.
Enterprise didn't suffer from franchise fatigue. It suffered from Berman and Braga's constant love affair with time loops.
Darned pesky chronitons...
*insert "you're goddamn right" meme*
The last series didnt had any of that and still failed. Star Treks problem is the perspective: The original show experimented a lot and created the framework of a new fictional universe. After that, the movies and Next Generation series changed the focus on filling out and expanding this world, which was fine at the time. People wanted to discover those things and get to know more about their known and beloved races, characters & societies.
But after so many years, we know every small thing that there is and it got boring. Producers still dont get it and try to milk the same old stuff from the 60s. They rebooted it inofficially with Voyager, but in the end, they just did same old formulas, gave them new names & faces and called it "creative and innovative". Same with new movies nowadays. Its still the same old stuff, polished with better CGI. Its still boring.
tl;dr If you want Star Trek to continue successfully, you need to create new stuff again, like the original series did. Dont look back anymore. Stop recycling. Look forward.
And that they apparently hated the characters, judging by A Night In Sickbay.
Time travel episodes were my favourite. Would watch more.
A very enjoyable watch. Thank you.
+Coecludd I appreciate you watching! Seriously, thank you =)
I always thought a cop Star Trek show would be good. Something like " Star Trek: Federation Marshals". The concept would revolve around the small crew of a Federation police ship who investigate crimes and hunt down the perpetrators on the fringes of Federation territory. It would get deep into Federation law and politics. Answering a lot of question on how the Federation actually functions.
+Keith Barrett I would like that, too. I've always been fascinating by the hints at an underworld/black market that includes Federation citizens. We have Vash, a human theif, but all around her episodes there's so much pontificating about how humans are too evolved to be selfish that it's easy to forget that the Federation isn't some cosmic Pleasantville.
+Keith Barrett Team with Dick Wolf "Law & Order: Star Trek". :)
+Chris McWilliams Star Trek: Federation SFCIS. ;)
Mike DiCenso Love it. Get Wolf on the phone and lets make that happen.
It would be like CHIPS in space....Instead of motorcycles, it could be um, SPACE motorcycles, yeah that's it.....I'm using the originality of hollywood there, if you couldn't tell...
I would disagree about the first and second "dark ages", during those years the show was shown in syndication, and in syndication its viewership and fanbase greatly expanded.
Yep, which is what led to the animated series, and subsequently the talks of a new film franchise.
Well it's what Gene and the rest of the writers etc. thought were the dark ages.
The Star Trek Federation idea actually sounds like it would be pretty good!
Aah... To be hopeful and ignorant of the horrors that lie ahead.
"It seems the third Dark Age is over" No. It really isn't.
id like to see a mini series. where every episode jumps around not in just story but characters and times(like 90s sci fi thriller shows) . it would allow many ideas to be tested and when one or two of the episodes get the most ratings or whatever , might sway the producers to invest in a new direction
"Star Trek: Federation" sounds like a great concept. It could allude to the US and the world today and be a commentary of what has happened since the original series and how its message seems to be lost today. Too bad that they decided to go with just another prequel instead.
Star Trek: Federation was inspired by the Foundation series -- which used the Roman Empire as the creative basis for the series -- by Isaac Asimov. I think you will love it if you like the concept of Star Trek: Federation; it is one of the best science fiction series, in my opinion.
Federation and Final Frontier sound like the best ideas to me. I hope that something along the lines of these shows see the light of day.
So happy there's a new video! I'm always so excited to see a you guys in my subscription box. I'll definitely check out the new channel. Keep up the great work!
A few years back, I had an idea for a Trek show that would open with the graduation ceremony of a new generation of Starfleet Officers. One of them would be the series center as he or she would, over the course of the series' run, would move from assignment to assignment. So the show would follow the career of one officer. the fluidity of the setting would make sure that the show itself could be adapted as it went on to keep things fresh. the title I had in mind was Starfleet: The Great Journey. I had this idea that Admiral Janeway would give a "Starfleet is the Great Journey" speech at the graduation ceremony to establish a connection to the title, and each episode would have a voiced narrative from the central character akin to TNG's "Data's Day" and ENT's "Dear Doctor." which would be representative of the log entries. The rest of the crew characters would not be treated as secondary characters, but would be written as leads just like a typical ensemble trek cast. But if the central character is reassigned, a new crew cast would be brought in. Think of it like watching every TNG episode with Obrien in it and then switch to Deep Space Nine. Of course, the central character's ;og entry narrative would start mentioning the approaching end of his or her tour of duty on that ship or base, with possible mention of where the next assignment is, so there would be as much apprehension and anticipation for the viewers as there would be for the character. In fact there could be some two- or three-episode story arcs where the character ends up at different temporary assignments before returning to the regular ship or station... And on assignments like that, the central character could be reunited with one or more fellow graduates... Like I said, its about being able to tell whatever sort of Star Trek story needs telling with the ability to change directions if needed to keep the concepts new.
It seems that Discovery is sort of taking this approach with the series being more focused on Burnham as the central character while still keeping its ensemble cast just as important. I don't feel like my idea was "stolen". Just that someone else came to a similar logical conclusion.
Well here we are in 2020, and I would still consider this a Dark Age. Nothing but reboots, prequels, and Picard, a show written by people who didn't watch TNG.
the amount of deepcut references in picard to all previous series makes you look like an idiot who fell for redlettermedia's hate mongering
@@PeterParker-yg6fc Ah, yes, the superficial nostalgia-bait references definitely are more important than actually maintaining any semblance of continuity with the major plotlines and character personalities. And they definitely make up for the shitty ass-pull writing where characters simply act according to the plot with no regard for their established personalities, beliefs, or motivations.
Love the production quality and the ingenuity you all put into this, an episode on Enterprise (my favorite series) may produce some interesting content for you all!
+ShadesofCascades Thank you very much! Suggestion very much taken =)
I love the idea of Star Trek Federation. If you look online you can find details on the characters and main plot line that was created and they're awesome.
Tell congress/parliament want short < 7 year copyright, mandatory license with congress/parliament tell price, more user rights, less copyright monolopy rights, etc.
This video actually really disappointed me, but not in the way you think.
A lot of those ideas for new shows sounded good (at least in theory), and there were a lot, so there was NO reason we should have gone through such a Trek Drought for so long.
I'm kind of on the fence with the JJ-Verse: I liked it, then I hated it, now I'm not crazy about it but I don't hate it.
I actually wouldn't mind multiple crossovers from the JJ-Verse and the Prime Universe, though have it happen IN THE FUTURE. That franchise fatigue they were talking about? I personally think it comes from redoing Kirk & Co. over and over again.
Federation and a couple others had the right idea: head to the future. Stop looking back.
Would have loved a Captain Sulu or Worf based series. Captain Sulu's appearance on Voyager was a treat.
STD came in 2017
*We are still in ST dark ages...*
Not just Dark Ages. But also vandalizing barbarians, sickening plagues, inquisitions, and jihads.
Perhaps Star Trek will emerge into an age of reason again. If it survives CBS.
Sweet video man. Always a pleasure.
I found it interesting you mention the dark ages of Star Trek when I think of those I think the most recent years with the JG Abrams films dues are the dark ages of Star Trek we must return to the original
After finally visiting the animated series a couple of years ago, I'm disappointed they never went that route again. It could be an easier avenue to explore other sci fi concepts that live action can't do easily.
"The third Dark age of Trek is coming to a close"
>sees kung fu and star wars explosions on Discovery
"Why have you forsaken me father?"
Well done. Several of these ideas/pitches were new to me- the medical ship concept and the Harry Mudd ideas were a surprise.
Carmen music a great start- and bonus points for using the Falconcrest theme and typeface to represent the San Francisco based academy series.
I do take issue with the 80's being in the "Dark Ages" but I get that this universe graphic is TV specific.
Finally bonus 2- The idea of "ages" of Trek- totally like the "ages" of comics.
Overall, a well well thought out, and well produced piece. Subscribe was a no-brainer.
Quarks
Where everyone knows your name.
Federation sounds awesome
I think, the way enterprise was going in its 3rd and 4th would have been a good compromise between old and new fans. Sad it was cancelled and didnt get a chance like TNG to find the perfect balance...
+Worf Sonofmogh
It made it to syndication so was actually considered a hit overall. But with TV audiences falling and the subsequent fall in advertising revenue keeping an expensive sci-fi TV show on air just wasn't affordable.
That's the reason the new show is for CBS's online streaming service they are hoping the trek base will be willing to pay a monthly fee for more TV trek for long enough to allow the service to be established.
I just see people torrenting it and then it and the streaming service being killed of in less than 2 years.
+Ushio01 almost for sure if it's region locked like most US Streaming services, even the international ones like Amazon and Netflix have massive differences in content.
I'll pay to watch Trek, if some one will let me.
+Ushio01 if theyre hoping that the Trek base will be willing to pay money to watch Trek, theyre propably right. But if that is the plan, then hopefully they will do some real Trek and not "JJTrek" to win the trek fanbase for CBS early access...
***** VPN are either a brilliant way to get viruses and or leak information to the net, think about it, you're putting another computer that has none of security guarantees you want between you and a service asking for bank information. Add to that the bandwidth issues it's just not a viable alternative.
should have just signed on with Netflix or Hulu. People actually watch stuff on those :/
The sit-com idea is....fascinating.
Poor old Straczynski, first it was ds9, now the alternate timeline. Paramount keep stealing his ideas
+Ricardo Warner He does have good ideas, doesn't he?
+Trekspertise yes apparently he does, B5 had some solid writing, a trek series under his leadership would have been interesting and probably surpassed the likes of Voyager and ENT. I look forward to see what Bryan Fuller can bring to the franchise, his past work on Trek is kind of a mixed bag so we'll see. I suspect with Fuller being gay, we will be seeing an LGBT main character in some form and at last we will see Trek *directly* handling it, and handling it well I hope.
+Ricardo Warner I just starting re-watching DS9 on netflix and I cannot believe how many coincidences/similarities there are to B5 plot points. And DS9 really holds up on repeat viewings even more so than TNG. After a long day, watching DS9 is a welcome diversion.
+Romancefantasy I love ds9 because almost every character was developed and they had some depth to them. I savour my ds9 viewing, I watch it every 2 or 3 years and it is still just as enjoyable.
Babylon 5 is much better than DS9 which is a dog of a series. Voy started badly but got better.
The animated post TNG era series would have been gold. Paramount has to get its shit together.
Oh, and this was an awesome video! :)
The idea for Hopeship sounds good but that name is awful. I'm also a little put off when actors propose ideas based around their characters. Funny enough Shatner is the one with the reputation for being an egomaniac and his was the only actor proposal that called for his character to be played by someone else. :)
Greg Strangis was also responsible for the criminally underrated War Of The Worlds TV series.
These were the hopeful days. Long before our current cynicism.
The Bryan Singer concept sounds fantastic. A Sulu series would have been great, as would a Klingon series. The medical ship show would have been good. Kinda like Quincy (or maybe St. Elsewhere) in space. I always liked the Dr. M'Benga character a lot, and he was a very progressive character for the time. An educated, professional black man, well-respected by his colleagues. And he had a cool ethnic name. A series focusing on Scotty might have been interesting. They could have come up with all sorts of technical and engineering problems for him, re-vitalizing derelict ships, etc. Maybe even another Khan tie-in or something similar. Lots of potentially good material out there. Nice video.
The Orville, is the new Star Trek.
I so would have wanted an animated ferringi show with Quark. Armin did a grand job of salvaging the Ferringi. Granted he was the original ferringi too but he shouldn't feel too guilty. After all NOBODY had quite figured them out yet.
Little did you know that true dark age of star trek had only just begun.
More like the brown age, am i right?
@@n0rton more like, yo mama
@@n0rton Ah, yeah. Being a terrible racist totally shows what a fan you are.
I agree.
Nearly every aspect of trek since 2009 has been actively hostile to established trek fans, the history and lore of trek.
It embodies none of treks core meanings
🙄
A Star Trek series based in our timeline where the eugenics wars and the 3rd world war don't happen, set in the sort of enterprise era but also re-arrange the other species and change thing up a bit, like aggressive vulcans and maybe a new species nearby.
I think trekkies want NO MORE PRE PRE PRE BS....17 years gone by and still not a single episode that is set after the events of Nemesis....man cmon...give us a trek in the future, not again in the past like discovery...
Love this channel! The video made me wonder about Axanar, In all likelihood I think it'll be axed before production wraps but I think conceptually it looked interesting.
Isnt the new Star Trek not some kind of an "Ultra-Dark-Age" ?
And Rikkers Idea would have been by far the best way to bring Star Trek back ...
They had many Novels to base upon .
They could bring back many of the old TNG Actors, maybe even DS9 and VOY Actors, new ones of course aswell ( Bridge Crew i.e ) and so on.
But hey, lets fuck up the Franchise with a pointless new Movie Series, which in my opinion goes against everything Roddenberry wanted for Star Trek.
The new Star Trek is more like Star Wars than Star Trek.
That's an insult to Star Wars.
Yeah but it simple is, Star Trek was always the SciFi for "Intelligent" People which had sometimes sophisticated Storylines and Star Wars was just some regular Fantasy-SciFi-Action ( which doesnt mean that Star Wars is for stupid People )
The way the video was put together was well done. I'm enjoying this channel.
I hope the new trek series is prime universe, post Voyager. If it isn't I probably won't even watch.
+Emm Ess Agreed. The time before Voyager is completely known to us. The TNG-/Voyager-Era itself has been overused (3 series so far). But the future setting would be very interesting. I always was curious how the Federation developed time travel in both the 26th (TNG episode) and 29th century.
+Emm Ess Could not agree more. I am sick of reboots, sick of the JJverse, and sick of people who think the TNG-era Federation is "old and tired". No, it was the *writers* who got old and tired. So: bring in fresh young writers, but have them set stories in the known and familiar TNG universe.
Oh, and get rid of the dreary grey-top uniforms while you're at it, willya? Things make it look like everyone's about to attend a funeral right after wrapping the shoot.
Totally agree! Whatever else it may be please be prime universe and post-TNG/DS9/Voy. I love that era, but it's a bit well used at this point. Hell, I even like Enterprise, but let's go forward.
(And the less saud about the Abramsverse, the better.)
+Emm Ess I agree.
Maybe enough in the future where they're seriously researching time travel? Show the steps taken to the 29th century episodes in Voyager & 31st century episodes in Enterprise.
I think a Time Trek where they fallow a ship like the Relativity (from voyager) from the 29-31 centuries would be rad and they would explore the entire Trek timeline.
Technically, "The Orville" by Seth McFarland is Star Trek because it's a parody, And a Briliantly Awesome one at that!!
An impressive article you have produced. Some of it I had of course heard about but much was new to me. I suppose that I am glad that I did not know about some of it because I would have been sorely disappointed that it never came out. Thanks!
I want Captain Worf.
+Qwerty Bastard best show ever then
I would be the best Captain you've ever seen! :D
+Worf Sonofmogh you're a traitor, urwI baktag!
If every episode literally ended with him ramming the ship... then yes... oh god, YES! Also - Warf should be nude when he gives the order. I always wondered what Klingon cock looked like.
They can put it on HBO.
+Justin Brown I think "Change of Heart" proved Worf is not really Captain material.
Very well done. My only beef in the timeline was your exclusion of the ousting of the Roddenberrys from the franchise during the hositile takeover.
+Niion Thorsen I'd like to know too.
William Shatner hosted Chaos on the Bridge, 53 minutes long. It is a documentary of the whole production nastiness that happened pre/early days of TNG. You might want to watch it.
Star Trek Federation is the best idea by far.
Little known fact, the "Questor Tapes" concept, of an android seeking to become more human, was later re-worked yet again, into the character of Lt. Cmdr. Data, on TNG. :)
Federation would of been the best.
theres an audio series produced by Darker Projects (darkerprojects.com) of Section 31. Was very good too.
Personally, I think the Captain Sulu/Excelsior/LionsOfTheNight might have been the best.
I also like the concept of their ST Lost Frontier series. Thanks for mentioning this, because it looks like they made a handful of more Section 31 episodes after they said it was over. I've got some listening to do. :-D
A post-apocalyptic Federation could be cool. A cross between Mad Max (ugly human savagery) and Indiana Jones ("ancient" high-tech gizmos)? Temporal "Section 31" operatives going _back from the future_ to fight in their time war? A racial vendetta against the evilly arrogant Vulcan-Romulan Imperium which nuked Earth back into the stone age? An Interstellar Eugenics War involving many species? A small human Federation voice lost in a chorus of galaxy-spanning supercivilizations?
Just keep suckheads like Shatner, Riker, Troi, Wesley, and Neelix out of it.
Thanks for the Trek! Leaves us wanting more. Honestly we still miss Voyager, the Borg, Q and Seven of Nine. Hoping for a future series as worthy this was and still is in rerun form.
The Sulu series would've been well-received. The "Final Frontier" series sounds pretty interesting. ST Discovery is a bunch of crap.
Because Trek has always been such a demanding production scheduled, I would suggest putting 3 or 4 separate concepts into production each with a production schedule of 3 or 4 times longer than before.This would be vary similar to how the cop shows McCloud, Columbo, McMillan and wife all sheared the the 'Mystery Movie' time slot back in the `70s I can personaly think of at least half a dozen possibilities just sitting here.
would've loved to see a series with Harry Mudd. i think that would make a better sitcom than the one with lwaxana troi
With that new timeline and new show they could reintroduce him.
Ohhhh... When I saw it in the video I asked myself "Who on Earth would watch that?!
Now I see that someone would... :/
"Picard & Mudd, Law Office and Private Investigations" ... oh yeah, the possibilities ...
Your production value is top notch!!!!
Thanks!
Would you ever consider doing videos about the various literary relaunch series?
I am working on this, actually =)
Amazing! I absolutely look forward to that as a huge fan of the expanded universe. In my opinion, it is canon.
Star Trek Aftermath: It follows the events of Star Trek Voyager from the aliens' perspective. No humans in the series. It's about the aliens rebuilding from all the stuff Captain Janeway did.
Awesome video, i too would have loved to see star trek federation or a series like it be produced.
+Carl Nieckarz Thanks! Me, too...there were some great ideas in there.
Loved it :) Can't wait for new series. Possibly the start of a new golden age of Trek?
interestingly, the USS Pasteur is listed as a "Hope-class" starship
scottyrobot No it isn’t it is an olympic-class
Rewatching this great video nearly 5 years later. Concept with a older more beaten federation set in 3000s with the Romulans and Vulcans persuing reunification....so like the current plot threads in DISCO. It's interesting that many of these concepts and ideas seem to have popped up in the various more recent ST series.
Great editing. Personally, I would prefer a Star Trek series more in line with Battlestar Galactica.
+Kleavers Thank you!
Yea, funny thing about that. Ronald D. Moore, famed DS9 writer, worked on Voyager for one episode. He felt creatively inhibited on the Voyager team, so he left Star Trek. Years later, Moore gives us the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Coincidence? I think not... =)
+Kleavers When people say they want the next Star Trek to be like BSG i'm not entirely sure what they're asking for. What exactly did that series do that you would want to see in a new Trek show that wouldn't be completely miss the point of what Star Trek actually is. A miserable tone ? Bad camera work ? Wandering around space not interacting with anything ? Character motivations that don't make sense ? Contrived storylines ? Plotholes ? A bad ending ? A great theme song ? That must be it. I want the new Star Trek to be like BSG in that i want a great theme song.
+micronoid the space drama.. i mean space action drama.. i mean.. oh fdrama.. omdrama i cant stop drama what the fdrama.. fuck this.
Trekspertise Hence there were a lot of parallels between DS9 and BSG. Those people really knew what they were doing.
micronoid I loved it.
This was absolutely insightful. Thank you for this post.
+Jarrod Lacy You are very welcome! Thank you for watching!
"Please feel free to leave a comment in the SUBSPACE below"
Anyone else catch that?
+deltaray3 It seems I am the only one except for you. Yay! :D
+deltaray3 Yeah, that made me smile. :)
+deltaray3 Yes, it was very punny.
The Questor Tapes was about an android trying to find its "creator". It had much more in common with V'Ger from The Motion Picture and Mr. Data than it did Gary Seven. It has been theorized that Gene recycled some of the Questor back story for Data.
Trek NEEDS Federation imho..
Honestly, I don't think you can say Phase II was a "Trek not Taken." Even acknowledged here, the first movie was essentially the intended pilot of Phase II. And of course, the TNG episodes "The Child" and "Devil's Due" were 2 additional scripts from that project. Phase II had a clear influence on both the official franchise and fan fiction for years to come. There's much more on the Phase II development on the ST:TMP Director's Edition DVD.
Nope. Nope. Dark age is still on.
here is an idea for a ST reboot, at the end of ST:Beyond, have William Shatner jump out of Bed, Proclaim "What a NightMare" and then put on a star fleet uniform and go off to work as a principal of the academy, and have that show with shatner as the lead.
Gary Seven was too much like an American Dr. Who...
I always thought Agent Seven would be a good spin off, and said so when watching the first reruns.
Of course I wanted to be an archeologist and thought a series about federation archeologists would have been fascinating. It would have dealt with living history like the Gaurdian of Forever and would have opened the series up to endless possibilities. Perhaps this one could still work.
Okay, I have to laugh a little as I am seeing this for the first time in 2020 when the new "Star Trek" series have been produced and it's more of a dark age than not having any Star Trek.
The J.J. Abrams crap isn't canon.
+Greg Camp Nor to me.
I too agree. BTW you should call him Jar Jar Abrams after the much despised Star Wars prequel movie series
100% Agreed! JarJar Trek can go to Hell!
Better than DS9 and Voyager. It's not crap either, dimwit. Just different. Sorry if different scares you.
If you figure the Abrams rubbish is better than DS9 or Voyager, you've just told me all I need to know about your judgement. Voyager wasn't perfect. Much of the time it was Lost in Space meets Gilligan's Island. DS9 also had the occasional flaw. But I challenge you to find anything in Abrams's two films that approaches the subtlety of episodes like "Blink of an Eye" or "In the Pale Moonlight."
Difference isn't frightening. But it's also not equally good by virtue of being different.
interesting how these ideas tend to sit around for decades before being picked up. the academy years concept got made into Star Trek 09, and star trek federation seems similar to the plot of DISCO season 3.
I would totally be down for s war ravaged, morally flexible Star Trek. I absolutely loved bsg because everyone had flaws, some were liars, some were sex addicts, alcoholics and thieves to me every one in star trek is too moral
I suppose that's why I liked ds9 because the characters had flaws
+TheBritishGeek Roddenburry would never have allowed that when he was alive. I remember reading somewhere the writers who worked with him in the early "Next Generation" run were constantly arguing with him because he didn't want any of the characters to ever disagree or argue and his vision of the future had to be perfect and everyone had to get along and be happy all the time.
Chris McWilliams Thats a very unrealistic view of the future though, we as humans are very adversarial.
To be star trek has always been about morals vs nature. for example the klingons represent the human need for violence and bloodshed but that constantly conflicts with our morals (the federation)
TheBritishGeek Well, apparently he was hung up on his vision of the future being Utopia and he was constantly refusing to let the writers show the main characters arguing with each other or disagreeing with each other in any way.
Frankly, from what I read, it really frustrated the writers because it sucked the drama and conflict out of the show. I guess that's why it all had to come from the aliens.
Chris McWilliams I dont want to speak ill of the dead but it seems roddenburry didn't know what makes good drama. he had a fantastic idea with star trek but i can be so much more if you see those crack in the utopia.
to me DS9 was probably the best star trek because it showed that that utopia is maintained by some very bad people.
TheBritishGeek After he passed the writers were more free to do stuff like that. Like in "DS9" when they had that secret intelligence branch from Star Fleet that was into all that dark and questionable stuff (mind control and whatnot). They never would've been able to get away with that on his watch.
I loved DS9 from the start. Avery Brooks was to me the epitome of humanity. Flawed yet willing to learn from his mistakes.
And what we have now, in 2018? Fucking Discovery! Qu'vatlh!
Worf: Whoever came out with the idea of creating STD in the first place is a p'tak!!
Time to follow this up with a review of what we know and what we hope for the new set of series in development!
What about "Star Trek: Sex Ship"? You know, everyone's boning everyone else. So, really, there is a lot of exploration "where no man has gone before." Gimme a THUMBS UP if you like my wacky idea!
Not "Sex Ship". Be classy and use a WWII term, "Liberty Ship"
Ba-dum, DUM, TSK!
Star Trek the next penetration?
The Captains log is ready for entry...
Ben Allen ERROR. ERROR.
"Captains log has been pushed in."
It is sad to see so many good ideas get shot down before they could even get off the ground let alone fly. I would love to see a new animated Trek series as I am a fan of the Filmation series.
+BADBOYCH Star Trek: Final Frontier had all kinds of great ideas. It is my favorite series not produced. Seriously, go read the storyboards at their website.
Trekspertise I will do so. Thanks for the recommendation.
Just to add in, Star Trek Discovery isn't looking too good. You might as well watch The Orville.
Discovery is looking fantastic.
Trekspertise I wish I can believe you but what they did to the Klingons is heresy.
+BeyondDaX It isn't. We just need to give the show time to explain what's happening. Besides, changed Klingons weren't heresy in 1979.
Well. Ok, you had me there. Maybe I am just feeling like this is Enterprise all over again.
I agree ... Discovery _looks_ fantastic. Latest CGI/VFX, great props, costumes, background fixtures, visually very impressive.
But I found it hard to watch. Dark and edgy and bright and lens-glaring all at the same time. Rampant with unlikable Mary Sue characters, weak plots, cheap old auctorial tricks, and predictable cliffhangers. It's just dull and plodding ... it _looks_ great but it _feels_ like a real strain to watch.
❤️🇨🇦 I have to say, watching your videos is helping me accept Star Trek DSC. I’ve learned things I didn’t know about the franchise which I’m surprised about! I thought I knew everything about Star Trek! And it seems I didn’t! Thank you!🖖😊
No prob.
Discovery is certainly different. But...it is clear the writers and showrunners love the franchise.
Well, given how crap Discovery is, I wouldn't say the third "Dark Age" has ended.
At least we got the officially 'not - Star Trek' "The Orville" that is inspired by many of the techs and storylines from Star Trek, and is written and produced by folks who were involved in the Golden Age of Star Trek in the late 1980s and 1990s.
you should do a video about the different captains and their leadership styles. How the way changed sisko, and how Janeway became the mother figure to her crew, or how Archer was forced into war, even though he resisted, and how that changed his command style.