I think it's very important that Verimathras makes a distinction between the factions. Darkness "around" you for the Alliance, and "in your midst" for the Horde.
Wasn't Verimathras the one that claimed to take revenge on sylvana's? I think together, him and the desolate counsil planned the assault on teldrassill to frame sylvanas and start a war between horde, alliance and a war within the hordes ranks.
Personally, I'd love to see a spellblade class, what with the Blood Elven spellbreakers and, much more recently, Spellblade Aluriel in the Nighthold. I think it would be super interesting to see a combination of physical combat skill and arcane prowess like that, and it's not a niche currently filled -- I imagine it would be to mages as paladins are to priests.
Fuzz Crumpet demon hunters are spellblades, just fel-infused. The only way you’d be able to play a pure spellblade would be with Project Ascension (a classless WoW server). The class is basically in the game.
The way that Vol"jin speaks make me wonder... it's like he was wanting Sylvanas to read between the lines. I mean all of the Horde knew that she was kinda a big dushebag, messing up with forces she should not. Even Garosh was pissed with her at one point. And Voljihn is not stupid. He said her, that she needs to step out of the shadows, in order to become warchief... What did he meant - for her to step up and take the leadership (that's the obvious one), or did he meant more - that he knew she is on a dark path, one that will lead her deeper and deeper in the shadows, maybe he meant that - for her to truly be a leader, not only for her people, but for the horde, she must fight her inner demons, or maybe even he did for-saw her descending into darkness, and warned her that she must fight it. He said that "many will not understand". Except her. She is very complex character, running on the edge, between shadow and light. P.S. I just wanted to point out - the times the titans ripped Yasharash form Azeroth, and all the black empire shit, must be a big enough cataclysmic to be counted towards the "tree deaths"... I mean it was so bad that the titans feared they might kill her if they proceed. So it makes 3 "Sunderings", 4 with the staby-staby action from Sargeras. And Tyrande speaks for 2, one to come. It makes sence since she did not witness the first one. But IllGinoth should know about all of them. So the numbers don't match? P.P.S: It will be cool if Illidan and the other titans bro-talk Sargeras, convincing him to not be such a scumbag. I mean Illidan has a lot in common with him - they both made sacrifices after they saw a great threat, they both turn their back on their family, both fight in the name of a greater cause - no matter what it takes, even if its the lives of the innocent. They both embraced power, for which they payed a hefty price, in order to fight for the "greater good". I mean they will have all the time to chat now, since Illidumb is kinda now "Maiev" for Sargeras - imagine the irony...
IIRC the Titans believed removing the rest of the Old Gods as they had Y'Shaarj would kill Azeroth. I think the three deaths are supposed to be large scale world changing events in this theory since Tyrande is worried that the wound would lead to a third Sundering, not be in itself one.
Since that cinematic came out I had thought it was odd the way sylvanas looked aside when she said "Death claims us all" and looked back. It just rubbed me wrong/weird. Perhaps Voljin DID want her to read between the lines and if so maybe that was her coming to understand that.
Eli Fischer Slyvanas is a very selfish character with her only saving grace being the fact that she now actually cares about her people. I really hope she has some redemption type arch which sees her not get trapped into that hell hole we see her fall into after ICC.
In 2019, before next Blizzcon, Nobbel... You're on the right track! We're finishing BFA expan and heading into what will probably be all the storylines for 'The Black Empire' with Sylvanas and N'Zoth. Looking forward to seeing if there is more they pack into it that you thought of! ^^
THERE IS SO MUC COOL STUFF TO BE DONE, i cant fucking wait, the hype when i start thinking to myself about these speculations whenever i see your vids just drive me crazy
Man I am so eager for future wow things! This the most hype i've ever been for a wow expansion. Queen Azshara, Sylvanas, Jaina and kul'tiras! The birth of the infinite dragonflight alone would be incredible! SO many things! I love the subtle manipulation of the old gods and the shadow, how much legion has teased at and just this is so much hype!!
now a year later, reading about all the old goods, al the whispers back then, the puzzle box , the whisper of the artefact weapons i cant wait to finaly face Nzoth and get to see the black city
''Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it.'' ''The Rift is all that remains of the first Well of Eternity. It is located in the center of the Eye which itself is located in the center of the Maelstrom. At the end of the War of the Ancients, the powers released in the Well of Eternity *blasted the well downward into Azeroth's molten core* . 10,000 years later that core is still exposed. The well's descent broke an enormous *fissure in the ocean floor* .The red and orange light from lava is visible deep, deep down. It is held sacred by the naga who are capable of reaching its depths as the pressure does not seem to affect them. The seafloor around the Rift is noted for its thermal activity. Nazjatar is constructed on the sides of the Rift. Although Brann Bronzebeard could not go too far down into the Rift because of the pressure, he said that "Perhaps the Well of Eternity still exists, in some form, in *Azeroth’s heart* , for arcane currents emanate from the Rift." '' *The Rift is also the prison of the Old God N'Zoth* , the being responsible for Deathwing's madness and the creator of the Emerald Nightmare.'' Xal'atath: "Almost completely gone, as if it never existed. *But the rift is deep and vast, and somewhere down there it stirs* . Something has changed, *the last prison weakens* . We must prepare." For anybody thinking this is wrong because of that last bit: ''The Old Gods spread their corruption into the Dream through the door that Yogg-Saron had opened. While Yogg-Saron opened the Emerald Dream to its brethren, *it was apparently N'Zoth who was most active in corrupting it* .'' wow.gamepedia.com/Rift_(Maelstrom) wow.gamepedia.com/Emerald_Nightmare
It's canon as soon as they say it is. I feel like it fits so well that perhaps they've been planning on using it. I mean it's always been speculated N'zoth is beneath the maelstrom. Xal'atath refers to the location of N'zoth's tomb as a rift, which is what it was called in the RPG hence I thought it was a noteworthy mention. The rift itself is also referred to as Azeroth's heart. A quote from blizzard says: Blizzard helped generate a great deal of the content within the RPG books, *so there will be times when ideas from the RPG will make their way into the game and official lore* , but you are much better off considering the RPG books *non-canonical unless otherwise stated* . Which is suffice to say that just because it's not considered canon, doesn't mean it won't ever be.
Dr Boom let's just hope they stick with that.. but yeah, 3 old gods is already a lot of content for one expansion, and that's not counting in azsahra, xal'atath or any other introduction storylines. so the old god storyline could even take 2 expansions tbh
omg your ideas for the races and subraces are amazing. im almost 100% guaranteed that blizzard wont do it, cause for WoD all they did was remodel some races, i highly doubt they would invest so much effort into this, but i have my hopes up
I have the world of Warcraft cook book and their are some errors in it the conjured Mana buns call for way too much flour and the dragonbreath chili doesn't even tell you to add chill powder...... The cookies dont even say when to add cocoa. The quantities and ratios are off in some of the recipes and some recipes skip steps
Achilles The MageJedi the book came from Amazon and not a third party seller. Complaining? I was just point out some errors and I wasn't the only one who found them.
Awesome and well put-together video. Would love to get sub-races, have always wanted High Elves in the alliance but ever since blood elves came in the chances of that happening have been heavily diminished.
Can you make a simplified version of the lore? Like Arthas > Sword > Helm > Ner'Zhul! > Kills his father > Lich King I've seen most of your videos but I seem to get lost time to time. Getting things in order about the titans, old gods, Draenor, Azeroth, Argus etc. Keep up with your amazing works, you bring great content! I've been playing for 12 years and you've given me a greater appreciation for this game than I ever would have had. Thank you!!
surprised he didn't mention the eye of amon'thul I don't think it'll be the next expac but at the end of legion, remember we never used it at the Tomb. I think we are going to channel the magic of all our artifact weapons through the Eye to close the rift between Azeroth and Argus. (Save Xala'tath, who will vanish herself away and become a raid boss... hopefully :D)
I don't think I've been this invested in the how and why of an upcoming expansion since Wrath and the return of the Scourge/Attack on Undercity. I'm seriously hyped :D
I would love new characters customization. Between new classes and new characters custom I think the new character custom would be a lot easier to implement. I hope we get characters custom at bdo lvl, that be so sweet :D
Blizzard would most likely be able to add in more presets, hairstyles, colorations, and such; But a full slider system like in BDO is probably beyond the game engine without significant (costly) overhauls.
Nobbel! Don't forget in the Shaman order hall, the Twilight Dragon Flight have been confirmed to be still out there and building back up their numbers!
I think Sargeras shows us the way to the last Old God, he did not try to kill Azeroth, he opened the way to the Infection, so we can clean it up! It is the ultimate show of mercy to us, as he , himself after all was corrupted but, his soul , likely lived on and had a release like Arthas's at the end. P.S. i hope , i like Sargeras as an imperfect super-being, dont fuck him up, or the Legion, The Legion are kind of our allies against the greater Bad :S
Its curious that last action from sargeras. If he wants to save the universe of the void why would he weaken azeroth making for old gods easier to corrupt her. Or did he thought that a simple stab could get all the job done?
Obviously they're setting up the DLC for the next 20 years. And man.. after quitting in cataclysm, there is so much new shit to take in. So many retcons, and changed history. Its weird. I'm excited, so excited, for classic. And wc3 reforged, mmmmmmm its gonna make me moist
Why is the alliance being unified boring? They are not built out of necessity like the horde, they are built to preserve peace for all of them. This is very different to the horde, and makes sense why they are more stable. Destabilising them just for the sake of it is not good story. That would be a typical blizzard approach...
Varimathras's Meaning. Alliance: Genn will betray Anduin who will be lead astray by 3 lies that Genn set up to finish Sylvanas. Sylvanas will outmaneuver Genn's blood lust and take an important stronghold, that she would proceed to use for experimentation of longevity. The true darkness is Genn's ambition. Genn's ambition will make the thrones run red and he is the betrayer, but red with the blood of the citizens not the leaders. Thrones being a metaphor for the representation of the people's lives versus a literal use of the blood of the leaders. Horde: Vol'Jinn's Lowa prophecy is saying Sylvanas is best thing for the horde. Not exactly the best thing for Azeroth. She will not do an offensive war. She is going to be defensive against Greymane, all the while trying to find a way to make THE HORDE her arrows instead of just the Forsaken. In this respect she is doing it to achieve immortality. Since she is outmaneuvering Genn's blood rage she finds an opportunity to overtake a key battle against the Alliance causing her to use Alliance citizens as experiments in her trials for some kind of immortality. The darkness in their midst is Sylvanas and her ambition of immortality. maybe... (another intepretation is that Genn still makes the thrones run red, but Sylvanas resurrects people hence the Shatter Mask being on the hearth, because they are now Forsaken.)
The fanboy is strong in this one. Varimatras tells the alliance "they are blind to the darkness around them" and the horde "blind to the darkness in their midst". Not hard to guess that Sylvanas will betray them.
What motivates Genn to betray Anduin? I don't get it, even if you say "its because Anduin doesnt focus on the horde" its still not enough. Yes, Genn is filled with lust, but you know what's he's more so filled with? Loyalty, I don't think he'd sacrifice his honor (and the alliance) to get revenge, even though Sylvanas did kill his son.
Sorry to break the news, fanboy. Your banshee botch sets her sights on Stormwind. Varian's death did not result from the horde's retreat, but does result in a horde offensive. Sylvanas reckons the Alliance capital is up for grabs because Varian died on the Broken Shore. Greymane can justify his wrath against Sylvanas because of Gilneas. She is no innocent victim.
My little mind storm about 3:31 is about one whisper: "Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it" And another "At the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming" makes more sens now
Boy-King = Prince. Wrathion proclaims himself the Prince of the Black-Dragonflight. Wrathion caused every calamity leading up to this point. He fueled the alliance/horde conflict and released garrosh. This led to alternate Draenor, Gul'dan, and the Legion invasion. He lied about being the last black dragon, He lied about backing the Horde, He lied about having Azeroth's best interest in mind. (Lie being figurative) The Gul'dan line was intentional to mislead.
Hmm I dunno. Outright stating boy king compared to prince = boy-king. Wouldn't that be boy-prince? Tthe calamity was already on its way as shown in his visions. He has lied more than 3 times + the whispers of Il'gynoth come from the emerald nightmare. 3 lies he will offer you, not offered.
Yesss, I loved their interaction. It was actually interesting see them clash wrathion's pragmatism and anduin's idealism. Both striving for the same objectives through different means. I mean when was the last time blizzard actually developed a relationship in wow in any meaningful way? Most story arcs are very self contained.
Hey Nobbel87! it seems like we all forgot about the digital comic "Fault Lines" where Magni already told us about "a spear of molten fel fire piercing trough the hearth of the world" It doesnt add much but I was surprised when I realized no one mentioned before
21:10 In response to more customization, the one thing Blizzard could do that wouldn't have a tremendous strain on the art/animation team is to *add tattoos* of all shapes and sizes as well as add an options for scars/wounds on our characters.
I wonder if Deepholm will have some extra stuff placed in it having to do with the Old Gods. "To find him, drown yourself in the circle of stars." and if the circle of stars is that place in the maelstrom, technically we drown ourselves to get into Deepholm.
Let's hope they don't kill YET ANOTHER warchief... Varian stayed king for the entirety of the game up to Legion, I really wish Sylvanas remains in power regularly. Sure, they can do whatever with her story, but it better include a different outcome rather than killing off the Horde leader yet again (though it seems like a curse brought up by Thrall, we have to put him back on that throne to end it lol).
I think Blizzard should take the momentary backlash it will bring and remove Sylvanas as warchief in the next expansion (with in-depth, satisfying lore to go with it of course), while building Saurfang's lore up some more. Bringing him to the forefront. Then, when she is no longer warchief, giving the title to Saurfang and letting the Horde leaders be once and for all (or at least a very long time). Saurfang is much more fitting. Sylvanas's story cannot be one of a hero. Of a champion of the Horde. Because that's not who she is. She cares only for herself, and to an extent her Forsaken people. The bad she has done far outweighs the good. Her actions are always wacky and sinister, and I don't see how Blizzard could make good lore out of her by not sending her down the "evil" path, or at least a direction in which she betrays the Horde and carves her own path, creating a third faction or something like that but not being a raid boss and instead continuing to be a force to be trifled with for multiple expansions (in order to please the fans and keep building her amazing character).
Mur Nykrom there are plenty of ways actually that they could make her story end reasonably well. If the Lich King started causing trouble, Sylvanas is the obvious character to take the lead in opposing him. She is also by far the most experienced battlefield commander, aside from Turalyon and Alleria, who is living at this point. If nothing else, Sylvanas will lead the Horde to victory. Finally, after all this time, the Horde may have a true home. If she gives them that, then she will be a hero of the Horde even if she ends up pissing off the entire Alliance to do it. Get the Saurfang idea out of your head though. At this point, there will never be another orc Warchief. You are criticizing Sylvanas for not caring at all about the Horde as a whole? Well, orcs never cared about anyone besides orcs. Even Thrall didn’t bother consulting anyone before just appointing an acting Warchief. He appointed hot-headed Garrosh, even though there were better qualified candidates who just simply weren’t orcs. We’ll see Saurfang again for certain, but not as Warchief.
Hi Nobbel about Anduin wrynn u speak about speculation of Il'gynoth's words but in son of the wolf comic many years later he will stand against the shadow in the last battle "Aboard the Exodar, Velen informs the High King that it is time, that they will never have an opportunity or chance like this again. As Anduin stands up, he remembers his father and all the others who have fallen, and Velen says that the Light will triumph over the Shadow this day" and also we know about the last book "thousand years of war", Locus walker taught us the void and the light show vision with their own desire
I wonder if, obviously at first Sylvanass will wage war against alliance, maybe trying to claim the blood of Azeroth to power forsaken, to, in the end, play a major role in the fight against the Old Gods (I think the fate after death of the undead, is the torment at the hands of the Old Gods, or further the Void Lords, so it makes a lot of sense for her to fight against that far more desperately than anyone else).
I'm just wondering, if Varimathras has been imprisoned and tortured by the legion for all of this time, who was able to tell him all of this information about Sylvanas being leader, and how could he predict what her plans are, or know that she sent us? For all we know he's been there since Wrath...unless blizz was just like "eh word gets around"
Someone noticed, that when we help (forgot his name...) King of Diamonds heal Azeroths heart, it's not just void creatures (we all noticed that), but... the only demons there are the Shivarra (they are twisting and corrupting titans for Sargeras, as wells as torture Varimathras. Maybe, just maybe they are closer to the void. Or, Varimathras listens to the whispers from the shadows, after all his failures, being tortured, etc. Then, he could be fed information about the situation on Azeroth by his tortures, since he is expected to get back to work once his punishment is over, and as for the knowledge about the void? Well, Legions purpose is to fight against the Void. And he is just like: Yo dudes, even if you beat us, you gonna just kill each other, and then the fate against we (Legion) struggle, will consume you. So good luck fuckers, you are going down if we go down.
Cyryl Chołodowski That's a good idea, I mean she has been desperately searching for something like that, getting help from Helya etc... and she's warchief. Would be interesting
What if the boy king isn't Anduin, but Wrathion? I mean, it would be really boring to have Anduin embrace the Void when he finally starts getting interesting.
Anduin "falling" doesnt make any sense. What has he lied about up until now. He doesnt come off as a deceitful person, though Wrathion does. If they make Anduin the fall guy, I am done with Blizzards writers they will have lost all credibility at that point. The same if they pull the stupid "Jaina is a Dreadlord" nonsense.
It'd make sense since his Flight has a history with the Old Gods. There's also the gifts he gave us in MoP, possibly two of three lies of power (one of which is Sha based which is the fallout of Y'shaarj's death) with a third on the way but it'd be boring and seen from miles off. I hope it's Anduin or some new character.
Shiirow But what if he is like alleria, where he learns to control the void, and is known as the most powerfull void user, and leads the fight against the old gods, fight fire with fire.
Not saying he would become another Arthas, but the mantle of king has suddenly fallen upon him. To fill the roll as leader could be a road with a few bumps in the way.
It's going to be a void-based expansion. Many people are confusing this with an Old Gods based expansion. The two don't HAVE to be together. It makes sense, but they can be separate. We can go and delve into the heart of Azeroth and deal with a bunch of void and not encounter N'zoth or any of his fishy underlings at all. They might choose to combine them too and that's also fine. It'll either be this or something completely out of left-field like WoD. A time-travel expansion where we go back to when Kalimdor was still whole could be interesting, maybe because we have to in order to find something to save the current Azeroth. Obviously it's not ideal for the story but Blizzard might feel they need a filler expansion again. I love how all the Alliance players make all these excuses for Jaina though. Now you know what it's like for us Horde who have Sylvanas. Both are willing and able to do evil things for their factions. It's up to their leaders to kick them out if they go too far. The only difference is that Jaina's hands are still clean so far. I have a feeling they won't be the next time we encounter her, but as long as they're dirtied in the name of the Alliance I don't think anyone else in the faction will care. Also on Sylvanas, I genuinely don't think any of her story was actually cut from Legion. I mean think about it, she goes to get the Soulcage so she can make even more undead, fails and gets it shattered, then goes home. I mean whatever. She can look for more ways to create Val'kyr and undead and while it's annoying for her it's no big loss or event. It's just something that happened. We knew since Cata that she's been trying to do this stuff and as long as she doesn't go too far with it the Horde doesn't care either.
The whole "We have fallen. We must rebuild.." Thing with wrathion just made me think that the Titans was about to go "WE HAVE FALLEN AND WE CAN'T GET UP!"
I feel as through after stormhiem that sylvanus went back to undercity to prepare the forsaken for a full on war towards the south. It would explain a lot of the reasoning behind only a token force being left to help the fight against the legion.
We wouldn't be able to kill a single old god, let alone a fusion-danced amalgamation of 4 of them. though yogg-saron performing a void based fusion dance would be pretty incredible
"Sylvannus has a huge fan base and they don't want to see her go" Vol'jin, one of the THE BEST trolls in known existence of the game since they were first introduced probably with a larger fan base dies after 1/2 an expac of being war-chief (I don't count WoD as a full Xpac and never will hehe) if they can kill the best character in the game of course they can kill off that undead hussy lol
I would argue Sylvanas has a much larger fanbase mainly because while Vol'jin has been around a long time they didn't much with him prior to Mists. Plus your praise and opinion of Vol'jin is largely subjective
It is not my intention to downplay the potential fan base that exists for Vol'jin, nor am I suggesting that he isn't a great character that is worthy of the same kind of love as some of the other big characters in the lore. However, to speak of Sylvanas and Vol'jin as if they are characters of an equal place from a lore standpoint is a tremendous error. Those who do not understand the degree to which the character of Sylvanas stands in the Warcraft story, do not have a solid understanding of Warcraft lore in general. This isn't meant to be an insult to anyone, nor is it to be taken as fan service to Sylvanas either. The simple fact is the Sylvanas character is beyond any doubt one of the top 10 characters currently relevant in the ongoing Warcraft story, and Vol'jin has never been nearly as important, or as relevant. I personally don't think Vol'jins story is done, and I think people have been way to quick to just assume his story line is over. Anyways my point was just to point out that many of you are not understanding the lore from the stand point of those who are as knowledgeable as Nobbel, and others who know the Warcraft Lore in a much greater scope than your average fan does. Speaking of Vol'jin and Sylvanas in the same breath is a great misrepresentation to the Warcraft story. I'm sorry if it hurts to hear that, but I would look to the future story to find Vol'jin playing a part in perhaps some sort of spirit form. I think the idea of following a new Troll Leader being guided by Wild Gods and ancestors has tremendous potential, and I am hopeful to see something like that in the future.
"It's surfaces blazes bright, masking shadows below." I would've said he's talking about Argus. Blazing a bright green light, masking shadows that are on it, possibly the corrupted titan soul or the void servants on Mac'aree. Or maybe "it" is mac'aree itself. Super bright, with a shadow side. I think it would be weird to adress xe'ra as "it".
I was thinking about the timeskip idea and saw the same problem, but then I thought; the explanation is that the more chaotic an area, the faster time runs, as I recall. In Antorus, we see Azeroth getting almost entirely enveloped in fel cloud. If Blizzard wanted, they could make a case for that concentration of chaotic energy being enough to push Azeroth's time faster than that of Argus.
"Slyvannis has a strong fanbase and would hate to see her go" Screw 'em! You think those who liked Vol'jin enjoyed seeing him be yanked from the throne without achieving anything as Warchief? No! Let her rot! Or at least make her surrender her title to someone else after this is over.
It is not my intention to downplay the potential fan base that exists for Vol'jin, nor am I suggesting that he isn't a great character that is worthy of the same kind of love as some of the other big characters in the lore. However, to speak of Sylvanas and Vol'jin as if they are characters of an equal place from a lore standpoint is a tremendous error. Those who do not understand the degree to which the character of Sylvanas stands in the Warcraft story, do not have a solid understanding of Warcraft lore in general. This isn't meant to be an insult to anyone, nor is it to be taken as fan service to Sylvanas either. The simple fact is the Sylvanas character is beyond any doubt one of the top 10 characters currently relevant in the ongoing Warcraft story, and Vol'jin has never been nearly as important, or as relevant. I personally don't think Vol'jins story is done, and I think people have been way to quick to just assume his story line is over. Anyways my point was just to point out that many of you are not understanding the lore from the stand point of those who are as knowledgeable as Nobbel, and others who know the Warcraft Lore in a much greater scope than your average fan does. Speaking of Vol'jin and Sylvanas in the same breath is a great misrepresentation to the Warcraft story. I'm sorry if it hurts to hear that, but I would look to the future story to find Vol'jin playing a part in perhaps some sort of spirit form. I think the idea of following a new Troll Leader being guided by Wild Gods and ancestors has tremendous potential, and I am hopeful to see something like that in the future.
@Adam202 To be fair, it would be very interesting if he did become a LoA and he was part of the Shadow Hunter class abilities, or if he was the LoA for the new troll leader.
Vol'jin dying was the best thing that could have happened to his character. Additionally, his death scene cinematic ensured that he would be forever immortalized. In death Vol'jin's story line was given the canvas to become something so much more. I believe his death made him loved that much more, and how his death can be weaved in the future story is being grossly underestimated. He could still yet become an even greater character.
Well then let the alliance suffer for once and let Jaina be corrupted! Let the alliance have to deal with corruption in their ranks for once.. Leave our warchiefs alone! I wanna kill that filthy mage bitch who always had a bad temper...
I see you spam this alot, so you're obvoisly a sylv fan, wich is fine, but saying the greatest thing that could have happend to vol'jin is him dying, is stupid. There was alot of potential in him as warchief, and alot of fans wanted that (right from when thrall stepped down). We also saw him gain alot of character progression during the garrosh "campaign). Blizzard simply stopped working on him after pandaria, making him a joke in WoD, by giving him 1 line when you finish your lvl 3 garrison. On top of that they kill him off the next expansion, by some random ass demon. So NOT the best that could happen. He simply became a stepping stone for sylvanas, wich by the way only had 1 thing going for her: Revenge against Arthas. Don't get me wrong, i really liked that storyline, but after that it became kinda bland, with another horde leader slowly turning evil right after garrosh, and on top of that seemed to be just a lesser Lich King. Now with Alleria back, it will HOPEFULLY make it abit more interessting.
Its going to be dark below expack. Sargeras stabs the planet making a gaping whole, then il'gynoth says "she ushers us in on her 3rd death". I'm fairly sure thats referring to the forces of Azeroth going inside the would and fixing whatever is wrong with the planet. Also fighting old gods/etc on the way. Also the puzzle box says there are old god city's. This also could be part of the story line. Old god city's under Azeroth would be super bad ass.
Hey Nobbel, I was wodering what you said in the Video during the save-Chromie Scenario. That she normally shouldn't has that kind of power, to walk though time like she did. Well... Chromie always appears with a sentense like: "Oh Hello you! Or haven't we met before? What time is it?" - what if Chromie got new leader of the bronze dragonflight after Murozonds death and get the power from this? Otherwise wouldn't that mean, that Aspects still are necessary? Maybe a foolish idea, Huh?
Hi Nobbel87, if we will go in to a light an shadow themed expention. Do u think this will open the way for more races to wield the light and thus opening more race options for palladins? What races do u think would best fit as extra palladins?
I don't think we will rush straight into old gods. Blizzard likes to build up stories like they did with legion so I think we will have to deal with Naga or Bolvar before facing the Black Empire. Or maybe Horde and Alliance facing off and not noticing the real threat looming.
Horde side yeah the first but is Sylvannas, but the darkness bit (in both parts) is referring to the old gods. For the alliance dialogue it might be that they find out some truth and it causes them to betray one another after they’ve taken the undercity.
"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below" From what I have come to learn, a Naruus' life cycle slowly fades it into a creature of void energy. This happened naturally within the Seat of the Triumvirate, was forced by Cho'gall on Draenor and is reversed by the priests of the Conclave in Legion. If this is not the reference then perhaps he could be talking about the sands of silithus, blazing bright in the sun.
As far as speculations go, do you think we can get Hearthstone stuff in WoW? I mean Un'Goro and Gadgetzan, cuz those are beside Silithus so it would make sense
For funsies, I decided to make a new class for whatever comes out. Because I want to use a gun on a class that isn't hunter. Class: officer Weapon: guns, bows, crossbows. Armor: Cloth Primary stat: Intellect Specs: Commissar: Hold the Line! This manages hordes of conscripts who will die so you don't have to. You use various skills to reduce damage to conscripts, but cannot heal them yourself. Shoot conscripts low on health to "encourage" the others. A important part of the class is keeping conscripts more afraid of you than the enemy. Combat Medic: First, do harm. This healer starts a fight by inflicting debuffs on the enemy to make them less lethal, and then buffs allies to increase healing done by your minions. Think affliction's emphasis on debuffs with restoration druid's emphasis on buffs, and the demonology warlocks emphasis on empowering minions. Commando: The last thing they never saw. Gaining access to stealth, long range attacks, and doing more damage the further away their target is the commando is the ultimate soldier that never existed. Make use of snares, debuffs, and other evil tricks to keep your targets at a healthy distance and disappear without a trace afterwords.
Venser's Prodigy i would love to see a conjurer class:Can conjure a bow and fight from range or a sword/axe etc and fight up close but the third spec could be focused on pets/minions basically conjuration from Skyrim
I did like Bellular's theory of Alleria being the one spoken about the "third death" when the datamined lines were mentioned, rather than a third sundering being a "third death". of course this video was out before the reveal.
Nobbel, is it possible that when the events of WoD at alternate draenor, at alternate AZEROTH the black empire is at its peak of glory (chaos) and they decide to conquer draenor (or even our Azeroth)? That would be an interesting reuse of scenarios and characters like alternate Durotan or Yrel become more relevant to WoW's recent lore... ty :D
@Nobbel87 , now we know that that the "its surface " quote is pointing directly at the Sunwell.PTR confirms that beneath the sunwell there are shadows.
gotta say pretty good predictions as most have already come true :) I'm pretty sure after BFA the rest of what you say is going to come true. Like Azeroth's 3rd death, Magni giving you the heart of azeroth neck making you mine the azerite for power it is totally the precurser to the next expansion where we will fight many void lords and old gods. if not at the end of BFA
all i really want from a future expansion is a legacy option that lets you as a child of your charactor or as a follower of some sort. you would be put back to level 1 charactor but have all the previously completed quests that your previous already completed, already done( i exclude already repayable quests from this, but number of completions is reset) forcing/letting player complete the content they missed on their previous level up. you could also reset reputation to 0 of current level.
I actually liked the alternate timeline scenario they gave us with Draenor. I wouldn’t mind seeing an alternate timeline version of Azeroth, maybe where Sargeras escapes to once again possess Medivh and use him to rebuild the Legion. I could see him corrupting the old kingdom of Azeroth and using them as part of his plans - I think it could be pretty awesome.
Hey nobbel! Belular was speculating about the scar can be made to a new well and this source of power can create conflicts between factions what do you think about that? Also I am more curious about what more information we will have with the new raid ends other than datamined audiologs.
Hmm not impossible, but would mean the keepers turning it into a well first otherwise I'd imagine the powers to be too chaotic to handle and if this source of power will be a reason to fight, why hasn't something like the sunwell or mount hiyal been a place for conflict?
What i'd love to see and would make for a fun twist is one of the following, when it came to Voljins death proclamation: 1) The name whispered to him *wasn't* Sylvanas but another name (notice how he never directly says "they named you Sylvanas"), but Voljin being savvy knew what was happening and picked someone completely different as a last Eff You to the old gods. or... 2) The name whispered to him wasn't "Sylvanas" but instead "Windrunner" (which is how he addresses her when he's telling this). So it then it turns out the one meant to lead the horde wasn't Sylvanas, but instead Alleria who's now neck deep in the void. Taking up the mantle of warchief as she can see the alliance is slowly being enslaved by the light. So Alliance vs horde suddenly evolves into Light vs Shadow~
Nobbel would it be nice to see new customization for Draeneis??? The Draenei NPCs in Argus looks really cool!!! oh and btw the circle of 5 stars might be the council of 5 mages in Dalaran!!!
![Lord Illidan Knows The Way [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cte1TrfK32s/mqdefault.jpg)
![Lord Illidan Knows The Way [Lore]](/img/tr.png)
![The Story of Warlord Zul'jin [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PGovQlJ8goU/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Story Of The Siren Isle - Azshara's Return?! [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ROb-809ucRs/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Story of Varok Saurfang - Part 1 of 2 [Lore]](/img/n.gif)
I think it's very important that Verimathras makes a distinction between the factions. Darkness "around" you for the Alliance, and "in your midst" for the Horde.
Why would you ever take a dreadlord's words to heart
Wasn't Verimathras the one that claimed to take revenge on sylvana's? I think together, him and the desolate counsil planned the assault on teldrassill to frame sylvanas and start a war between horde, alliance and a war within the hordes ranks.
Varimathras has been imprisoned since wotlk
If the next expansion *is* centered around the Old Gods breaking out of prison, it better be called "The Black Empire".
But could get bad press "Dats Waicist!"
Uhm, excuuuse me sir but the politically correct name is The African-American Empire
"Rise of the Voidlords"
Humm but why do black people get associated with villainy?
Bloodynoush in the spirit of political correctness, it's gonna be "The African Empire"
🤣
Personally, I'd love to see a spellblade class, what with the Blood Elven spellbreakers and, much more recently, Spellblade Aluriel in the Nighthold. I think it would be super interesting to see a combination of physical combat skill and arcane prowess like that, and it's not a niche currently filled -- I imagine it would be to mages as paladins are to priests.
Fuzz Crumpet demon hunters are spellblades, just fel-infused. The only way you’d be able to play a pure spellblade would be with Project Ascension (a classless WoW server). The class is basically in the game.
The way that Vol"jin speaks make me wonder... it's like he was wanting Sylvanas to read between the lines. I mean all of the Horde knew that she was kinda a big dushebag, messing up with forces she should not. Even Garosh was pissed with her at one point. And Voljihn is not stupid. He said her, that she needs to step out of the shadows, in order to become warchief... What did he meant - for her to step up and take the leadership (that's the obvious one), or did he meant more - that he knew she is on a dark path, one that will lead her deeper and deeper in the shadows, maybe he meant that - for her to truly be a leader, not only for her people, but for the horde, she must fight her inner demons, or maybe even he did for-saw her descending into darkness, and warned her that she must fight it. He said that "many will not understand". Except her. She is very complex character, running on the edge, between shadow and light.
P.S. I just wanted to point out - the times the titans ripped Yasharash form Azeroth, and all the black empire shit, must be a big enough cataclysmic to be counted towards the "tree deaths"... I mean it was so bad that the titans feared they might kill her if they proceed. So it makes 3 "Sunderings", 4 with the staby-staby action from Sargeras. And Tyrande speaks for 2, one to come. It makes sence since she did not witness the first one. But IllGinoth should know about all of them. So the numbers don't match?
P.P.S: It will be cool if Illidan and the other titans bro-talk Sargeras, convincing him to not be such a scumbag. I mean Illidan has a lot in common with him - they both made sacrifices after they saw a great threat, they both turn their back on their family, both fight in the name of a greater cause - no matter what it takes, even if its the lives of the innocent. They both embraced power, for which they payed a hefty price, in order to fight for the "greater good". I mean they will have all the time to chat now, since Illidumb is kinda now "Maiev" for Sargeras - imagine the irony...
IIRC the Titans believed removing the rest of the Old Gods as they had Y'Shaarj would kill Azeroth. I think the three deaths are supposed to be large scale world changing events in this theory since Tyrande is worried that the wound would lead to a third Sundering, not be in itself one.
Wait, I think the obvious reason is the less obvious reason.
Since that cinematic came out I had thought it was odd the way sylvanas looked aside when she said "Death claims us all" and looked back. It just rubbed me wrong/weird. Perhaps Voljin DID want her to read between the lines and if so maybe that was her coming to understand that.
Eli Fischer Slyvanas is a very selfish character with her only saving grace being the fact that she now actually cares about her people. I really hope she has some redemption type arch which sees her not get trapped into that hell hole we see her fall into after ICC.
Wrathion called himself the prince of the black dragons, even the padaren aspects had called him so.
good point
why you have to be so racist do
would you rather he said prince of the "colored" dragons? bc in WoW that would not work since all the dragonflights are technically colored
Spooke Scary wrathion went death-wing 2.0 and is a raid boss
varimathras lines take a whole new meaning with the burning of Teldrassil for Battle for Azeroth
Finally the black empire!
máté varga Symmetra is not black.
corrupted azeroth well be the end boss of wow
In 2019, before next Blizzcon, Nobbel... You're on the right track! We're finishing BFA expan and heading into what will probably be all the storylines for 'The Black Empire' with Sylvanas and N'Zoth. Looking forward to seeing if there is more they pack into it that you thought of! ^^
I would like to nominate Malfurion and Tyrande as the current biggest douchebags of Warcraft
Not my Tyrande!
VespertheGamingViking no talking shit bout my homie Tyranbae
Me too, I hate them both, their reactions to you know what were surprising and lacklustre
Thank you!
Druid and Priest, duh.
THERE IS SO MUC COOL STUFF TO BE DONE, i cant fucking wait, the hype when i start thinking to myself about these speculations whenever i see your vids just drive me crazy
Nothing like a Nobbel video before going to bed :D
That sounded wrong in so many ways lol
Man I am so eager for future wow things! This the most hype i've ever been for a wow expansion. Queen Azshara, Sylvanas, Jaina and kul'tiras! The birth of the infinite dragonflight alone would be incredible! SO many things! I love the subtle manipulation of the old gods and the shadow, how much legion has teased at and just this is so much hype!!
now a year later, reading about all the old goods, al the whispers back then, the puzzle box , the whisper of the artefact weapons i cant wait to finaly face Nzoth and get to see the black city
90% of comments can't spell Sylvanas right...
Sylvanus, Syalvannis, Mal'ganis, its all the same to them
The variety of misspellings is amazing.
Soildanus*
Silly van anus
Jimmy Jay 100% of SINGULAR nouns are pronounced as PLURAL nouns by this guy... That's the real problem and slowly driving me mad
''Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it.''
''The Rift is all that remains of the first Well of Eternity. It is located in the center of the Eye which itself is located in the center of the Maelstrom. At the end of the War of the Ancients, the powers released in the Well of Eternity *blasted the well downward into Azeroth's molten core* . 10,000 years later that core is still exposed. The well's descent broke an enormous *fissure in the ocean floor* .The red and orange light from lava is visible deep, deep down. It is held sacred by the naga who are capable of reaching its depths as the pressure does not seem to affect them. The seafloor around the Rift is noted for its thermal activity. Nazjatar is constructed on the sides of the Rift. Although Brann Bronzebeard could not go too far down into the Rift because of the pressure, he said that "Perhaps the Well of Eternity still exists, in some form, in *Azeroth’s heart* , for arcane currents emanate from the Rift."
'' *The Rift is also the prison of the Old God N'Zoth* , the being responsible for Deathwing's madness and the creator of the Emerald Nightmare.''
Xal'atath: "Almost completely gone, as if it never existed. *But the rift is deep and vast, and somewhere down there it stirs* . Something has changed, *the last prison weakens* . We must prepare."
For anybody thinking this is wrong because of that last bit:
''The Old Gods spread their corruption into the Dream through the door that Yogg-Saron had opened. While Yogg-Saron opened the Emerald Dream to its brethren, *it was apparently N'Zoth who was most active in corrupting it* .''
wow.gamepedia.com/Rift_(Maelstrom)
wow.gamepedia.com/Emerald_Nightmare
You're quoting the Warcraft RPG there, that's not canon.
It's canon as soon as they say it is. I feel like it fits so well that perhaps they've been planning on using it.
I mean it's always been speculated N'zoth is beneath the maelstrom. Xal'atath refers to the location of N'zoth's tomb as a rift, which is what it was called in the RPG hence I thought it was a noteworthy mention. The rift itself is also referred to as Azeroth's heart.
A quote from blizzard says: Blizzard helped generate a great deal of the content within the RPG books, *so there will be times when ideas from the RPG will make their way into the game and official lore* , but you are much better off considering the RPG books *non-canonical unless otherwise stated* .
Which is suffice to say that just because it's not considered canon, doesn't mean it won't ever be.
So much you got right about Zandalar and Kul'tiras, though... Props to you !
If we will face old gods, I want all of them back. Yogg and Cthun especially
I want Y'Shaarj :(
Maybe Xalatath breaking free of the dagger, and becoming a raid boss
Dirk Schwartz knaifu*
Dr Boom let's just hope they stick with that.. but yeah, 3 old gods is already a lot of content for one expansion, and that's not counting in azsahra, xal'atath or any other introduction storylines. so the old god storyline could even take 2 expansions tbh
I have a feeling an old god expansion will see the void trying to bring back Y'Shaarj. Even if its only his essence.
omg your ideas for the races and subraces are amazing. im almost 100% guaranteed that blizzard wont do it, cause for WoD all they did was remodel some races, i highly doubt they would invest so much effort into this, but i have my hopes up
I have the world of Warcraft cook book and their are some errors in it the conjured Mana buns call for way too much flour and the dragonbreath chili doesn't even tell you to add chill powder...... The cookies dont even say when to add cocoa. The quantities and ratios are off in some of the recipes and some recipes skip steps
that's the first negative feedback I read about the cookbook, most people praise it for being a good cookbook
i bet some troll sent him a misprinted cookbook so he can have a reason to complain
Achilles The MageJedi the book came from Amazon and not a third party seller. Complaining? I was just point out some errors and I wasn't the only one who found them.
Eward Somers it's ok but I wish it had more complex recipies
Awesome and well put-together video. Would love to get sub-races, have always wanted High Elves in the alliance but ever since blood elves came in the chances of that happening have been heavily diminished.
When Nobbel87 finally puts his 2 - cents in and makes you feel like a moron LUL. xD
Nah this guy is a genius. There's a reason he's about to hit 500k subs. He's got it figured out. :)
Now now... It takes time to move from Warlock guides to Lore vids I guess. Keep going man !
still a badass effort on your part Pyro, no joke...too bad you two can't do a collaboration video
"Man, I've got some cool ideas" *watches video* "Well screw my ideas"
Pyromancer hi would there be really a mythic only boss in the antorus just like ra den
I have been reading lots of discussion on it lately
Can you make a simplified version of the lore? Like
Arthas > Sword > Helm > Ner'Zhul! > Kills his father > Lich King
I've seen most of your videos but I seem to get lost time to time. Getting things in order about the titans, old gods, Draenor, Azeroth, Argus etc. Keep up with your amazing works, you bring great content! I've been playing for 12 years and you've given me a greater appreciation for this game than I ever would have had. Thank you!!
Nobbel, you listen to the whispers of the Old
Gods too deeply. I fear you are falling to their corrupting influence.
"Nobbel's speculations are always wrong!!11!!!" J/K,
surprised he didn't mention the eye of amon'thul
I don't think it'll be the next expac but at the end of legion,
remember we never used it at the Tomb.
I think we are going to channel the magic of all our artifact weapons through the Eye to close the rift between Azeroth and Argus.
(Save Xala'tath, who will vanish herself away and become a raid boss... hopefully :D)
Omni Rage but I don't wanna give up my frostmourne blades 😭😭
"Your coming was foretold in the rings." - Il'Gynoth
Eye of Aman'Thul is basicaly a couple of rings with the power of prophecy.
I don't think I've been this invested in the how and why of an upcoming expansion since Wrath and the return of the Scourge/Attack on Undercity. I'm seriously hyped :D
I would love new characters customization. Between new classes and new characters custom I think the new character custom would be a lot easier to implement. I hope we get characters custom at bdo lvl, that be so sweet :D
Blizzard would most likely be able to add in more presets, hairstyles, colorations, and such; But a full slider system like in BDO is probably beyond the game engine without significant (costly) overhauls.
Hehe, yes your right on that.
Nobbel! Don't forget in the Shaman order hall, the Twilight Dragon Flight have been confirmed to be still out there and building back up their numbers!
I think Sargeras shows us the way to the last Old God, he did not try to kill Azeroth, he opened the way to the Infection, so we can clean it up!
It is the ultimate show of mercy to us, as he , himself after all was corrupted but, his soul , likely lived on and had a release like Arthas's at the end.
P.S. i hope , i like Sargeras as an imperfect super-being, dont fuck him up, or the Legion, The Legion are kind of our allies against the greater Bad :S
I have a feeling we will revisit him one day.. just like we will revisit Bolvar (current Lich King) one day as well.
Its curious that last action from sargeras. If he wants to save the universe of the void why would he weaken azeroth making for old gods easier to corrupt her. Or did he thought that a simple stab could get all the job done?
that actually half makes sense, good theory
sushanalone makes sense Silitius looked like a planet kinker sore anyway
Eaglescourt217 or lets hope Bliz comes up with a better storyline than what i suggested :S
Almost 500k! Gratz dude :3
Obviously they're setting up the DLC for the next 20 years.
And man.. after quitting in cataclysm, there is so much new shit to take in. So many retcons, and changed history. Its weird.
I'm excited, so excited, for classic.
And wc3 reforged, mmmmmmm its gonna make me moist
Cat wc3 remastered is a joke
It's like leaving Minecraft 5 years ago and coming back now. xD
@@Papashaft yeah, makes me sad. Lost all interest in it.
@@Archon3960 minecraft is lame
lmao the bit of living Sylvanas and Chatterer lurking creepily in the darkness was beautiful
Why is the alliance being unified boring? They are not built out of necessity like the horde, they are built to preserve peace for all of them. This is very different to the horde, and makes sense why they are more stable. Destabilising them just for the sake of it is not good story. That would be a typical blizzard approach...
The fun in the alliance comes from the threat of the external manner, defending it from those that would harm it.
Well, you correctly guessed the time travel expansion that came as a complete chock to everyone, so I'll just take your word for it. :)
Varimathras's Meaning.
Alliance: Genn will betray Anduin who will be lead astray by 3 lies that Genn set up to finish Sylvanas. Sylvanas will outmaneuver Genn's blood lust and take an important stronghold, that she would proceed to use for experimentation of longevity. The true darkness is Genn's ambition. Genn's ambition will make the thrones run red and he is the betrayer, but red with the blood of the citizens not the leaders. Thrones being a metaphor for the representation of the people's lives versus a literal use of the blood of the leaders.
Horde: Vol'Jinn's Lowa prophecy is saying Sylvanas is best thing for the horde. Not exactly the best thing for Azeroth. She will not do an offensive war. She is going to be defensive against Greymane, all the while trying to find a way to make THE HORDE her arrows instead of just the Forsaken. In this respect she is doing it to achieve immortality. Since she is outmaneuvering Genn's blood rage she finds an opportunity to overtake a key battle against the Alliance causing her to use Alliance citizens as experiments in her trials for some kind of immortality. The darkness in their midst is Sylvanas and her ambition of immortality.
maybe... (another intepretation is that Genn still makes the thrones run red, but Sylvanas resurrects people hence the Shatter Mask being on the hearth, because they are now Forsaken.)
The Nothing Man thank you, you put some of my interpretations into a much more coherent form lol
The fanboy is strong in this one. Varimatras tells the alliance "they are blind to the darkness around them" and the horde "blind to the darkness in their midst".
Not hard to guess that Sylvanas will betray them.
What motivates Genn to betray Anduin? I don't get it, even if you say "its because Anduin doesnt focus on the horde" its still not enough. Yes, Genn is filled with lust, but you know what's he's more so filled with? Loyalty, I don't think he'd sacrifice his honor (and the alliance) to get revenge, even though Sylvanas did kill his son.
They wont kill off Sylvanas. That would be 4 Horde Warchiefs dead/gone (Thrall, Garrosh, Vol'jin, Sylvanas) in 5 expacs. Bullshit if they do that.
Sorry to break the news, fanboy. Your banshee botch sets her sights on Stormwind. Varian's death did not result from the horde's retreat, but does result in a horde offensive. Sylvanas reckons the Alliance capital is up for grabs because Varian died on the Broken Shore. Greymane can justify his wrath against Sylvanas because of Gilneas. She is no innocent victim.
My little mind storm about 3:31 is about one whisper:
"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it"
And another "At the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming" makes more sens now
Boy-King = Prince. Wrathion proclaims himself the Prince of the Black-Dragonflight. Wrathion caused every calamity leading up to this point. He fueled the alliance/horde conflict and released garrosh. This led to alternate Draenor, Gul'dan, and the Legion invasion. He lied about being the last black dragon, He lied about backing the Horde, He lied about having Azeroth's best interest in mind. (Lie being figurative)
The Gul'dan line was intentional to mislead.
Hmm I dunno. Outright stating boy king compared to prince = boy-king. Wouldn't that be boy-prince? Tthe calamity was already on its way as shown in his visions. He has lied more than 3 times + the whispers of Il'gynoth come from the emerald nightmare. 3 lies he will offer you, not offered.
uh no... boy king means a boy who is king.
Well. I thought the dragons can't bread anymore ?
@Righteous Authority boy-king equals guess what? BOY KING a prince is not a king and a king is not a prince. use your head bruh
@Nobbel87 What if one of the lies he offered was that he was not involved in Chromie's assassination?
9:55 is that a hint about sylvance.
i just want anduin and wrathion to reunite. after mop and war crimes, it's all i want.
Yesss, I loved their interaction. It was actually interesting see them clash wrathion's pragmatism and anduin's idealism. Both striving for the same objectives through different means. I mean when was the last time blizzard actually developed a relationship in wow in any meaningful way? Most story arcs are very self contained.
WowJedi during mop they spent a lot of time together during wrathions questline. then in war crimes, there was a very touching scene between them.
Hugo Fernandes yessssss
Hey Nobbel87! it seems like we all forgot about the digital comic "Fault Lines" where Magni already told us about "a spear of molten fel fire piercing trough the hearth of the world" It doesnt add much but I was surprised when I realized no one mentioned before
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED XD
actually I am prepared, my achievement said so :P lol
ecks dee
21:10 In response to more customization, the one thing Blizzard could do that wouldn't have a tremendous strain on the art/animation team is to *add tattoos* of all shapes and sizes as well as add an options for scars/wounds on our characters.
Oh god, I'm early.
I need to come up with a joke...
My arena rating
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Old god, you're early.......
Booo You Suck Kappa
HAHA, no.
Tyrion Lannister once walked into a brothel with a jackass and a honeycomb...
I wonder if Deepholm will have some extra stuff placed in it having to do with the Old Gods. "To find him, drown yourself in the circle of stars." and if the circle of stars is that place in the maelstrom, technically we drown ourselves to get into Deepholm.
Let's hope they don't kill YET ANOTHER warchief... Varian stayed king for the entirety of the game up to Legion, I really wish Sylvanas remains in power regularly. Sure, they can do whatever with her story, but it better include a different outcome rather than killing off the Horde leader yet again (though it seems like a curse brought up by Thrall, we have to put him back on that throne to end it lol).
Varian wasn't around in-game until Wrath of the Lich King. Anduin was there as a child-king with Bolvar Fordragon watching over him.
Exactly haha
I think Blizzard should take the momentary backlash it will bring and remove Sylvanas as warchief in the next expansion (with in-depth, satisfying lore to go with it of course), while building Saurfang's lore up some more. Bringing him to the forefront. Then, when she is no longer warchief, giving the title to Saurfang and letting the Horde leaders be once and for all (or at least a very long time). Saurfang is much more fitting. Sylvanas's story cannot be one of a hero. Of a champion of the Horde. Because that's not who she is. She cares only for herself, and to an extent her Forsaken people. The bad she has done far outweighs the good. Her actions are always wacky and sinister, and I don't see how Blizzard could make good lore out of her by not sending her down the "evil" path, or at least a direction in which she betrays the Horde and carves her own path, creating a third faction or something like that but not being a raid boss and instead continuing to be a force to be trifled with for multiple expansions (in order to please the fans and keep building her amazing character).
Mur Nykrom there are plenty of ways actually that they could make her story end reasonably well. If the Lich King started causing trouble, Sylvanas is the obvious character to take the lead in opposing him. She is also by far the most experienced battlefield commander, aside from Turalyon and Alleria, who is living at this point. If nothing else, Sylvanas will lead the Horde to victory. Finally, after all this time, the Horde may have a true home. If she gives them that, then she will be a hero of the Horde even if she ends up pissing off the entire Alliance to do it. Get the Saurfang idea out of your head though. At this point, there will never be another orc Warchief. You are criticizing Sylvanas for not caring at all about the Horde as a whole? Well, orcs never cared about anyone besides orcs. Even Thrall didn’t bother consulting anyone before just appointing an acting Warchief. He appointed hot-headed Garrosh, even though there were better qualified candidates who just simply weren’t orcs. We’ll see Saurfang again for certain, but not as Warchief.
Hi Nobbel
about Anduin wrynn u speak about speculation of Il'gynoth's words but in son of the wolf comic many years later he will stand against the shadow in the last battle
"Aboard the Exodar, Velen informs the High King that it is time, that they will never have an opportunity or chance like this again. As Anduin stands up, he remembers his father and all the others who have fallen, and Velen says that the Light will triumph over the Shadow this day"
and also we know about the last book "thousand years of war", Locus walker taught us the void and the light show vision with their own desire
2 years on, and you literally called so many things, LMAO what strange powers do you possess! gimme!
Nobbel video, finaly! My night is saved.
I wonder if, obviously at first Sylvanass will wage war against alliance, maybe trying to claim the blood of Azeroth to power forsaken, to, in the end, play a major role in the fight against the Old Gods (I think the fate after death of the undead, is the torment at the hands of the Old Gods, or further the Void Lords, so it makes a lot of sense for her to fight against that far more desperately than anyone else).
I'm just wondering, if Varimathras has been imprisoned and tortured by the legion for all of this time, who was able to tell him all of this information about Sylvanas being leader, and how could he predict what her plans are, or know that she sent us? For all we know he's been there since Wrath...unless blizz was just like "eh word gets around"
Someone noticed, that when we help (forgot his name...) King of Diamonds heal Azeroths heart, it's not just void creatures (we all noticed that), but... the only demons there are the Shivarra (they are twisting and corrupting titans for Sargeras, as wells as torture Varimathras. Maybe, just maybe they are closer to the void.
Or, Varimathras listens to the whispers from the shadows, after all his failures, being tortured, etc.
Then, he could be fed information about the situation on Azeroth by his tortures, since he is expected to get back to work once his punishment is over, and as for the knowledge about the void? Well, Legions purpose is to fight against the Void.
And he is just like: Yo dudes, even if you beat us, you gonna just kill each other, and then the fate against we (Legion) struggle, will consume you. So good luck fuckers, you are going down if we go down.
Cyryl Chołodowski That's a good idea, I mean she has been desperately searching for something like that, getting help from Helya etc... and she's warchief. Would be interesting
Man I love Xal'atath and the puzzle box. So many interesting hunts.
What if the boy king isn't Anduin, but Wrathion? I mean, it would be really boring to have Anduin embrace the Void when he finally starts getting interesting.
Personally would find Wrathion lying again to be the boring part + reasons given in this video.
Anduin "falling" doesnt make any sense. What has he lied about up until now. He doesnt come off as a deceitful person, though Wrathion does. If they make Anduin the fall guy, I am done with Blizzards writers they will have lost all credibility at that point. The same if they pull the stupid "Jaina is a Dreadlord" nonsense.
It'd make sense since his Flight has a history with the Old Gods. There's also the gifts he gave us in MoP, possibly two of three lies of power (one of which is Sha based which is the fallout of Y'shaarj's death) with a third on the way but it'd be boring and seen from miles off. I hope it's Anduin or some new character.
Shiirow But what if he is like alleria, where he learns to control the void, and is known as the most powerfull void user, and leads the fight against the old gods, fight fire with fire.
Not saying he would become another Arthas, but the mantle of king has suddenly fallen upon him. To fill the roll as leader could be a road with a few bumps in the way.
After tying everything together, that one "Veil of Shadows" "leak" on imgur seems to become more and more legit.
And I can't wait! :3
It's going to be a void-based expansion. Many people are confusing this with an Old Gods based expansion. The two don't HAVE to be together. It makes sense, but they can be separate. We can go and delve into the heart of Azeroth and deal with a bunch of void and not encounter N'zoth or any of his fishy underlings at all. They might choose to combine them too and that's also fine. It'll either be this or something completely out of left-field like WoD. A time-travel expansion where we go back to when Kalimdor was still whole could be interesting, maybe because we have to in order to find something to save the current Azeroth. Obviously it's not ideal for the story but Blizzard might feel they need a filler expansion again.
I love how all the Alliance players make all these excuses for Jaina though. Now you know what it's like for us Horde who have Sylvanas. Both are willing and able to do evil things for their factions. It's up to their leaders to kick them out if they go too far. The only difference is that Jaina's hands are still clean so far. I have a feeling they won't be the next time we encounter her, but as long as they're dirtied in the name of the Alliance I don't think anyone else in the faction will care.
Also on Sylvanas, I genuinely don't think any of her story was actually cut from Legion. I mean think about it, she goes to get the Soulcage so she can make even more undead, fails and gets it shattered, then goes home. I mean whatever. She can look for more ways to create Val'kyr and undead and while it's annoying for her it's no big loss or event. It's just something that happened. We knew since Cata that she's been trying to do this stuff and as long as she doesn't go too far with it the Horde doesn't care either.
The whole "We have fallen. We must rebuild.." Thing with wrathion just made me think that the Titans was about to go
"WE HAVE FALLEN AND WE CAN'T GET UP!"
Pyromancers theory FTW!!
I feel as through after stormhiem that sylvanus went back to undercity to prepare the forsaken for a full on war towards the south. It would explain a lot of the reasoning behind only a token force being left to help the fight against the legion.
The final boss should be All four old gods fused together
Would be funny if they all Voltroned together.
We wouldn't be able to kill a single old god, let alone a fusion-danced amalgamation of 4 of them.
though yogg-saron performing a void based fusion dance would be pretty incredible
@@nathanwright8520 not if sargeras help us
I just want to see Wrathion back. Great video like always!
"Sylvannus has a huge fan base and they don't want to see her go"
Vol'jin, one of the THE BEST trolls in known existence of the game since they were first introduced probably with a larger fan base dies after 1/2 an expac of being war-chief (I don't count WoD as a full Xpac and never will hehe) if they can kill the best character in the game of course they can kill off that undead hussy lol
Gwuee-tastic I agree.
I would argue Sylvanas has a much larger fanbase mainly because while Vol'jin has been around a long time they didn't much with him prior to Mists. Plus your praise and opinion of Vol'jin is largely subjective
Gwuee-tastic oh what i would give for dat windrunner puss
can we maybe bring him back as a death knight? a shadow hunter death knight?
It is not my intention to downplay the potential fan base that exists for Vol'jin, nor am I suggesting that he isn't a great character that is worthy of the same kind of love as some of the other big characters in the lore. However, to speak of Sylvanas and Vol'jin as if they are characters of an equal place from a lore standpoint is a tremendous error. Those who do not understand the degree to which the character of Sylvanas stands in the Warcraft story, do not have a solid understanding of Warcraft lore in general. This isn't meant to be an insult to anyone, nor is it to be taken as fan service to Sylvanas either. The simple fact is the Sylvanas character is beyond any doubt one of the top 10 characters currently relevant in the ongoing Warcraft story, and Vol'jin has never been nearly as important, or as relevant. I personally don't think Vol'jins story is done, and I think people have been way to quick to just assume his story line is over. Anyways my point was just to point out that many of you are not understanding the lore from the stand point of those who are as knowledgeable as Nobbel, and others who know the Warcraft Lore in a much greater scope than your average fan does. Speaking of Vol'jin and Sylvanas in the same breath is a great misrepresentation to the Warcraft story. I'm sorry if it hurts to hear that, but I would look to the future story to find Vol'jin playing a part in perhaps some sort of spirit form. I think the idea of following a new Troll Leader being guided by Wild Gods and ancestors has tremendous potential, and I am hopeful to see something like that in the future.
"It's surfaces blazes bright, masking shadows below." I would've said he's talking about Argus. Blazing a bright green light, masking shadows that are on it, possibly the corrupted titan soul or the void servants on Mac'aree. Or maybe "it" is mac'aree itself. Super bright, with a shadow side. I think it would be weird to adress xe'ra as "it".
“Roight”
I love all the speculation around this time in the game
Dear god please no alternate argus!!!!
Il'gynoth is the gift that keeps on giving.
blizzicon is still month away , people can make the speculation 1 week before blizzicon will make more sense to keep the hype up
Liked the video immediately when i hear the famous nobbel intro before even watching ^^ best wowtuber eva
WE PRAISE SYLVANAS!
I was thinking about the timeskip idea and saw the same problem, but then I thought; the explanation is that the more chaotic an area, the faster time runs, as I recall. In Antorus, we see Azeroth getting almost entirely enveloped in fel cloud. If Blizzard wanted, they could make a case for that concentration of chaotic energy being enough to push Azeroth's time faster than that of Argus.
"Slyvannis has a strong fanbase and would hate to see her go"
Screw 'em! You think those who liked Vol'jin enjoyed seeing him be yanked from the throne without achieving anything as Warchief? No! Let her rot!
Or at least make her surrender her title to someone else after this is over.
It is not my intention to downplay the potential fan base that exists for Vol'jin, nor am I suggesting that he isn't a great character that is worthy of the same kind of love as some of the other big characters in the lore. However, to speak of Sylvanas and Vol'jin as if they are characters of an equal place from a lore standpoint is a tremendous error. Those who do not understand the degree to which the character of Sylvanas stands in the Warcraft story, do not have a solid understanding of Warcraft lore in general. This isn't meant to be an insult to anyone, nor is it to be taken as fan service to Sylvanas either. The simple fact is the Sylvanas character is beyond any doubt one of the top 10 characters currently relevant in the ongoing Warcraft story, and Vol'jin has never been nearly as important, or as relevant. I personally don't think Vol'jins story is done, and I think people have been way to quick to just assume his story line is over. Anyways my point was just to point out that many of you are not understanding the lore from the stand point of those who are as knowledgeable as Nobbel, and others who know the Warcraft Lore in a much greater scope than your average fan does. Speaking of Vol'jin and Sylvanas in the same breath is a great misrepresentation to the Warcraft story. I'm sorry if it hurts to hear that, but I would look to the future story to find Vol'jin playing a part in perhaps some sort of spirit form. I think the idea of following a new Troll Leader being guided by Wild Gods and ancestors has tremendous potential, and I am hopeful to see something like that in the future.
@Adam202 To be fair, it would be very interesting if he did become a LoA and he was part of the Shadow Hunter class abilities, or if he was the LoA for the new troll leader.
Vol'jin dying was the best thing that could have happened to his character. Additionally, his death scene cinematic ensured that he would be forever immortalized. In death Vol'jin's story line was given the canvas to become something so much more. I believe his death made him loved that much more, and how his death can be weaved in the future story is being grossly underestimated. He could still yet become an even greater character.
Well then let the alliance suffer for once and let Jaina be corrupted! Let the alliance have to deal with corruption in their ranks for once.. Leave our warchiefs alone! I wanna kill that filthy mage bitch who always had a bad temper...
I see you spam this alot, so you're obvoisly a sylv fan, wich is fine, but saying the greatest thing that could have happend to vol'jin is him dying, is stupid. There was alot of potential in him as warchief, and alot of fans wanted that (right from when thrall stepped down). We also saw him gain alot of character progression during the garrosh "campaign). Blizzard simply stopped working on him after pandaria, making him a joke in WoD, by giving him 1 line when you finish your lvl 3 garrison. On top of that they kill him off the next expansion, by some random ass demon. So NOT the best that could happen. He simply became a stepping stone for sylvanas, wich by the way only had 1 thing going for her: Revenge against Arthas. Don't get me wrong, i really liked that storyline, but after that it became kinda bland, with another horde leader slowly turning evil right after garrosh, and on top of that seemed to be just a lesser Lich King. Now with Alleria back, it will HOPEFULLY make it abit more interessting.
I feel like Nobbel does work for Blizzard-Story Department
IF SYLVANAS DIES WE RIOT !!!
Darkoplax gonna be a small riot with only 2 thumbs up
"Its surface blazes bright hiding darkness below" - the sunwell, as we saw a void lord burst from it when it was touched by Alleria.
Okay i'm early so i got a good joke
My item Level
Ryan Harris good one 😂
I'm 972 ilvl
Its going to be dark below expack. Sargeras stabs the planet making a gaping whole, then il'gynoth says "she ushers us in on her 3rd death".
I'm fairly sure thats referring to the forces of Azeroth going inside the would and fixing whatever is wrong with the planet. Also fighting old gods/etc on the way.
Also the puzzle box says there are old god city's. This also could be part of the story line. Old god city's under Azeroth would be super bad ass.
Don''t forget that the shadows are full of lies
First!
(Wait what I'm doing this?)
Hey Nobbel, I was wodering what you said in the Video during the save-Chromie Scenario. That she normally shouldn't has that kind of power, to walk though time like she did. Well... Chromie always appears with a sentense like: "Oh Hello you! Or haven't we met before? What time is it?" - what if Chromie got new leader of the bronze dragonflight after Murozonds death and get the power from this? Otherwise wouldn't that mean, that Aspects still are necessary? Maybe a foolish idea, Huh?
I don't want Queen Sylvanas to be a bad guy😭😭
ugh fanboy detected
She's always been a "bad guy."
Don't worry she will not be a bad guy...
she is gonna be a bad girl loool
I don't love her because of what she looks like. I love her for her story and because her sacrifices for her people when she was alive until now
in that chase she died long ago mate
Going back to this after BFA brings a lot of things to light. x)
Try shadowlands
Hi Nobbel87, if we will go in to a light an shadow themed expention. Do u think this will open the way for more races to wield the light and thus opening more race options for palladins? What races do u think would best fit as extra palladins?
I don't think we will rush straight into old gods. Blizzard likes to build up stories like they did with legion so I think we will have to deal with Naga or Bolvar before facing the Black Empire. Or maybe Horde and Alliance facing off and not noticing the real threat looming.
Coming back to this vid just now....and it seems you had the right idea here
Horde side yeah the first but is Sylvannas, but the darkness bit (in both parts) is referring to the old gods.
For the alliance dialogue it might be that they find out some truth and it causes them to betray one another after they’ve taken the undercity.
"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below" From what I have come to learn, a Naruus' life cycle slowly fades it into a creature of void energy. This happened naturally within the Seat of the Triumvirate, was forced by Cho'gall on Draenor and is reversed by the priests of the Conclave in Legion. If this is not the reference then perhaps he could be talking about the sands of silithus, blazing bright in the sun.
As far as speculations go, do you think we can get Hearthstone stuff in WoW? I mean Un'Goro and Gadgetzan, cuz those are beside Silithus so it would make sense
For funsies, I decided to make a new class for whatever comes out. Because I want to use a gun on a class that isn't hunter.
Class: officer
Weapon: guns, bows, crossbows.
Armor: Cloth
Primary stat: Intellect
Specs:
Commissar: Hold the Line! This manages hordes of conscripts who will die so you don't have to. You use various skills to reduce damage to conscripts, but cannot heal them yourself. Shoot conscripts low on health to "encourage" the others. A important part of the class is keeping conscripts more afraid of you than the enemy.
Combat Medic: First, do harm. This healer starts a fight by inflicting debuffs on the enemy to make them less lethal, and then buffs allies to increase healing done by your minions. Think affliction's emphasis on debuffs with restoration druid's emphasis on buffs, and the demonology warlocks emphasis on empowering minions.
Commando: The last thing they never saw. Gaining access to stealth, long range attacks, and doing more damage the further away their target is the commando is the ultimate soldier that never existed. Make use of snares, debuffs, and other evil tricks to keep your targets at a healthy distance and disappear without a trace afterwords.
Venser's Prodigy i would love to see a conjurer class:Can conjure a bow and fight from range or a sword/axe etc and fight up close but the third spec could be focused on pets/minions basically conjuration from Skyrim
You know ive been watching your vids for a while but im just now subbing 😂😂😂
I did like Bellular's theory of Alleria being the one spoken about the "third death" when the datamined lines were mentioned, rather than a third sundering being a "third death". of course this video was out before the reveal.
If Vol'jin had such clarity, I am looking forward to seeing what part Sylvanas has to play.
15:15 Shadowlands hint :D Sylvanas called the maw "the hungering darkness"
Nobbel, is it possible that when the events of WoD at alternate draenor, at alternate AZEROTH the black empire is at its peak of glory (chaos) and they decide to conquer draenor (or even our Azeroth)? That would be an interesting reuse of scenarios and characters like alternate Durotan or Yrel become more relevant to WoW's recent lore...
ty :D
@Nobbel87 , now we know that that the "its surface " quote is pointing directly at the Sunwell.PTR confirms that beneath the sunwell there are shadows.
gotta say pretty good predictions as most have already come true :) I'm pretty sure after BFA the rest of what you say is going to come true. Like Azeroth's 3rd death, Magni giving you the heart of azeroth neck making you mine the azerite for power it is totally the precurser to the next expansion where we will fight many void lords and old gods. if not at the end of BFA
all i really want from a future expansion is a legacy option that lets you as a child of your charactor or as a follower of some sort. you would be put back to level 1 charactor but have all the previously completed quests that your previous already completed, already done( i exclude already repayable quests from this, but number of completions is reset) forcing/letting player complete the content they missed on their previous level up. you could also reset reputation to 0 of current level.
I actually liked the alternate timeline scenario they gave us with Draenor. I wouldn’t mind seeing an alternate timeline version of Azeroth, maybe where Sargeras escapes to once again possess Medivh and use him to rebuild the Legion. I could see him corrupting the old kingdom of Azeroth and using them as part of his plans - I think it could be pretty awesome.
If they pull another WOD im going to be so depressed. the lore speculation/hype for this expac is so juicy, hope they deliver :D
"From the earth he draws strength our strength our earth" Sargeras and 7.3 key art?
Hey nobbel! Belular was speculating about the scar can be made to a new well and this source of power can create conflicts between factions what do you think about that? Also I am more curious about what more information we will have with the new raid ends other than datamined audiologs.
Hmm not impossible, but would mean the keepers turning it into a well first otherwise I'd imagine the powers to be too chaotic to handle and if this source of power will be a reason to fight, why hasn't something like the sunwell or mount hiyal been a place for conflict?
What i'd love to see and would make for a fun twist is one of the following, when it came to Voljins death proclamation:
1) The name whispered to him *wasn't* Sylvanas but another name (notice how he never directly says "they named you Sylvanas"), but Voljin being savvy knew what was happening and picked someone completely different as a last Eff You to the old gods. or...
2) The name whispered to him wasn't "Sylvanas" but instead "Windrunner" (which is how he addresses her when he's telling this). So it then it turns out the one meant to lead the horde wasn't Sylvanas, but instead Alleria who's now neck deep in the void. Taking up the mantle of warchief as she can see the alliance is slowly being enslaved by the light. So Alliance vs horde suddenly evolves into Light vs Shadow~
WoW Lore is actually so well made, holy shit..
Nobbel would it be nice to see new customization for Draeneis??? The Draenei NPCs in Argus looks really cool!!! oh and btw the circle of 5 stars might be the council of 5 mages in Dalaran!!!