What glorious and fantastic music Ries produced. The romanticism and the delicacy are sublime. The harmony touches us deeply and elevates us to incredible musical levels. This masterpiece is of unprecedented beauty. The pianist’s interpretation is amazing for the sensibility he puts in the music he produces and for the superb technique he practices. The orchestra and its direction are magnificent. Thanks for the remarkable recording that allows us to enjoy this musical masterpiece, providing us with an unforgettable pleasure. Viva Ries and his fabulous music.
‘Ole Ludwig Van Beethoven had a worthy protege in Ferdinand Ries. This piece is radiant! It is a wonderful concept that is executed breathtaking dynamic. It has verve, suave, the last movement is jovial and dramatic. What I wouldn’t give to hear it in the concert hall. It could even be that works of this caliber may begin to revive attendance at classical music concerts. If people would have just the slightest inclination to expand their musical outlook it may be even revolutionary. Who knows? PWG
I love it, Never before heard it. Excelent orchestra and the pianist fantastic. I live in Argentina and am surpraised that we never have been able to listen to this marvellous work.
Very prophetic of Chopin while also being reminiscent of Mozart and Beethoven. This piece and the composer deserve more recognition, wonderful example of the transition between Classicism and Romanticism
THERE IS NO REASON FOR EXCELLENT MUSIC BY SUCH A GENIUS COMPOSER AS FERDINAND RIES TO BE UNDESERVEDLY NEGLECTED AND NOT PLAYED IN CONCERT HALLS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF HIS MUSIC ON CDS AT LAST NOW, AS WELL AS HERE. ON YOU TUBE.
This piece of music was on the radio when I started my car,thought it could have been Beethoven,not so after 5 minutes,to many Things Beethoven wouldn't do,was interested to see people's comments about Beethovens liking for Reis. Stunning concerto,love from London
Ferdinand Ries construit ses architectures sonores comme un mouvement de masses sonores qui se heurtent à des vitesses fulgurantes et sous tellement d’angles différents, délimités comme des zones de couleurs irisés sur une carte, tout en mouvements gracieux
This is a beautiful Piano Concerto! You guys should also check out JOSEPH WOLFL in youtube ....who is from the same era. You will be surprised at how good this JOSEPH WOLFL is.
Another great concerto that needs audiences in North America to hear and appreciate it. I have stopped going to many classical music concerts because the programming is so predictable and "safe." Unless a composer is a known entity, many music directors fear that audiences won't sign up. Sad but true I guess.
He made the best of his friendship with Herr Beethoven. The first movement is the standout. I detected the serene philosophy prevalent in so much of his mentors masterpieces. He did well to imbue the architecture of his ideas similarly while maintaining his own unique powers of invention. I found it thoroughly engaging and intellectually stimulating and hoped there would be a cadenza yet was not at all disappointed it was omitted. Living in the shadow of that colossus had to had been most challenging and doubtless forced him to find his own voice. This being the first time I have heard any of his concertos I must say I am very impressed by his success in distinguishing himself. It is certainly to Beethoven’s credit to recognize and respect the work of his assiduous and ardent student to admire and compliment his efforts. I may also add that Beethoven seemed genuinely gracious though Ries’ reverence for the master evidently helped him to resign himself to never succeeding him. Beethoven was the original man apart, “above and beyond.” PWG
This is a beautiful recording and performance of a true virtuoso vehicle with distinctive musical integrity. Ries does include a phrase from the Schumann concerto, and even Beethoven's "Pastoral Symphony", and the whole work carries the spirit and style of Hummel, but it is still purely-minted inspiration with much originality. It should surely be as well-known as Hummel's B-Minor concerto, and right now I'm not quite sure which work I prefer. At first hearing, this one carried me away with it.
+Richard Bonchen Ferdinand Ries was a Classical-Romantic composer. He's most well known as one of Beethoven's pupils, as well as his personal friend and secretary.
Richard, I'm so glad that you've discovered the deliciously satisfying; sweet as peanut butter and chocolate, music of Ries. This is one of the best of Ries's Pieces
Tao bom encontrar alguem do Brasil ? ou de Portugal ? que dá um sinal de existencia e interesse, e logo por Ferdinand Ries. Eu executei obras cameristas dele, muitos anos atrs no Brasil. Mas os concertos sao fantasticos, a gente poderia organizar um Festival Ries !
It's interesting that some composers are remembered widely and others not. I wondered why that would be, and came to the conclusion that the ones remembered were themselves, and didn't try to 'sound' like anyone else. It isn't anything against Ries. It's good and it does deserve to be heard, but I do think that that is where it falls.
Well, I suppose we will never know, however, as I listen, I think it's good, but it lacks individual character - for instance, Rachmaninoff sounds like Rachmaninoff, Chopin as Chopin, but with Ries, for example it just lacks distinction. However, I am not saying I think it's bad. I was just wondering why it is that some are remembered and others not, considering they all know what they're doing. Also, though, you can transfer that individualism to movies (directors). There are those who are themselves, and become successful, and those who imitate.
+Henrik Larsen If you really feel like this, listen to Kalkbrenner or Joseph Deszczynski - then you'll find how much they sound like Chopin, a few years before Chopin's piano concerto. Then you can also look at music history, which reveals a few interesting facts about people like Fibich, or even Liszt himself getting into disagreements with their fellows and made some lives (and their works) a bit difficult to survive (Joachim Raff being involved in the latter case). No, it's very often not the 'guilt' of quality, only the behaviour of 'academia' that stands behind some excellent works having almost disappeared. After all, a pianist can't learn all works by Chopin, Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms and Liszt after Bach and Mozart, and then expected to add a few hundred others like by Scharwenka, Bortkiewicz or Ries, all in the few years of getting up to fame. And where would they perform the latter, which competition would accept a Reinecke or Sgambati concerto to be performed in the finals instead of Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff? No, the answer is almost always the establishment. Thank heavens, some sometimes discover these pieces as well, somehow, and even find a conductor with an orchestra, and they manage to record the performance, then someone like this person or another to publicise the recording. All thanks to such people.
Interesting discussion. I think it is also the nature of learning about the history of something. I think in all the arts, there is a standard kind of presentation of master works. People will initially look at the different periods through time with a small number of creative people that represent a high level of achievement in that age. I also think in terms of this it is partly also about the artist's journey (Beethoven is a great example of this, we see him exploring, developing and evolving his creative process.) Some people (who call themselves classical music lovers) might only be familiar with a few Mozart piano concertos and a couple of Beethoven piano concertos. Others might know all these 2 composers works. Some might play them all. Some people might love exploring the changes in styles through the major composers into the 21st Century and have a detailed knowledge and fascination with the latest creations, where others love exploring the subtle differences between the late classical/early romantic composers. I really enjoyed listening to this concerto tonight for the first time, and I've only just recently started listening to lesser known composers from this period. It can feel quite shocking how many brilliantly talented composers there are. But if I compare this music say with Schubert, whose inner voice sings its own unique wonder with such individuality, or the sublimity of Chopin's concertos, I can see how the history makers don't include this music, as wonderful as it is, into the story of the great geniuses. Though I agree that music like this should have a lot more opportunies for performance
You must enjoy a huge library of pieces with which to make your comparisons. With my limited resources and knowledge I must settle for enjoying this wonderful piece
Why the classical world is still so biased? This concert should be played regularly, it is beautiful. But we have the same concerti over and over, played in halls and competitions. I don't get it.
Beethoven and Ries held each others music in high esteem. However, Beethoven had received piano lessons from Ries' father and the young Ferdinand had previously been trained by his father, Bernhard Romberg and Carl Cannabich. He worked as a music copyist, took lessons in piano under Beethoven and later became Beethoven's secretary. Negotiating with publishers on Beethoven's behalf (skills Ludwig lacked) and making corrections to the scores which Beethoven was notorious for not keeping in order (he had sloppy handwriting). Ries went on to give the German premiere of the Choral Symphony (Beethoven's 9th). Ries married an English woman with whom he had three children. He was also blind in one eye and evaded being drafted into the occupying French Army during Napoleon. He lived in Vienna, Bonn, Paris and England where he later resigned as director of the Philharmonic Society because they refused to feature his works. He died in Frankfurt where he lived out his final years. His music was actually well received abroad, but when he passed no magazine would publish his obituary because he had been overshadowed by other composers and the changing times.
He learned well from his master while maintaining some individuality. Of course living in the shadow of THE GREAT GENIUS the saying certainly applies, “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” I like this piece! PWG
Ries' works are quite wonderful, but I'm afraid his close relationship with LvB has condemned his work as purely influential - which is unfair. Sure there is influence, but I hear a lot of uniqueness, and this particular work shows great composition.
Chaque compositeur a ajouté sa touche pour l'évolution de la culture musicale , il n'y a pas ''grands'' et ''petits'' , il n'y a que ceux qui sont joués tout les jours et les autres ... beaucoup des femmes et des hommes compsiteurs du 19èm et 20èm siècle ne sont plus joués au 21èm siècle ...
"whom I rather prefer to the boy from Bonn." Shows how much you really know about music. Hummel's b minor is something of a pre-Romantic masterpiece, though, but still not in the same league as about 4 of Beethoven's piano concertos. (The B-flat is a weak work, however.)
Ries might be better than some traditionalists here argue, citing the judgment of history. Let me remind that for nearly a century J.S. Bach’s son’s were held in higher esteem than their father who we now consider one of the of the best, if not the very best, composer of all time. Felix Mendelssohn rescued J.S. from obscurity, an interesting tale in itself. The judgment of history can be flawed and certainly is not the same over time. If I have a complaint about Ries it is that he is not as consistently good as a J.S. Bach, a Beethoven or a Mozart. Mozart produced interesting, good music even when he tried to be bad. See, for example, Mozart’s Musical Joke, which still sound’s pretty good to most ears. However, when Ries is good, I find him very good indeed, IMHO. Now that his music is becoming available, especially over the Internet, I suspect Ries will eventually be both better known and be held in higher esteem than currently.
Gentlemen, I don't share your enthusiasm. I'm a great lover of unknown composers and their works, but I find this way too derivative and uninspired. Even Beethoven complained to him about his lack of originality.
Beethoven complained about Ries every way possible after Ries secured a kappellmeister post in Westphalia which Beethoven greatly wanted. Beethoven's acute and protracted fits of anger are well documented and need to be taken "with a grain of salt".
Derivative and uninspired? in what way? The finale particularly hardly lacks originality. The cadenzas are an added treat you seldom find with Beethoven and appear to predate Chopin. This is the first piece of Reis' music I've ever heard and am astounded he's not in the repertoire. I look forward to discovering more of this "unknown."
I have never understood the tendency many people have to misspell a four letter name, even when the correct spelling is right in front of them. Since I have the same family name as the composer, I've seen this all my life and at this point, I find it mildly amusing.
it is unfortunate that being knowledgable about music and able to find fault with this piece, you are presumably unable to enjoy it. Then I will wallow in my musical ignorance as I found it to be absolutely gorgeous. My grateful thanks to the provider of this gem
In your [presumably] anglophone milieu, you must often find yourself mispronounced as a plural of 'rye', and also misspelled as the Welsh name 'Rhys'. Hopeless, eh? Well now, if you're any relation to Ferdinand (i.e. of Rhineland origin?), then I hope you're musical too!
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 Yes, all the secundary composers (Ries/Moseless/Cherny/Herz........) have many problems: Mozart kv 467/kv 299, Beethoven op.37/op.73/op.40/op.50, Chopin op.11/op.36/op.52/op.54, Liszt ballade1+2/un sospiro/tarantelle/rigoletto...............................................
So many unsung heroes Of the classical world. I just love using TH-cam to discover them.
What glorious and fantastic music Ries produced. The romanticism and the delicacy are sublime. The harmony touches us deeply and elevates us to incredible musical levels. This masterpiece is of unprecedented beauty.
The pianist’s interpretation is amazing for the sensibility he puts in the music he produces and for the superb technique he practices. The orchestra and its direction are magnificent.
Thanks for the remarkable recording that allows us to enjoy this musical masterpiece, providing us with an unforgettable pleasure. Viva Ries and his fabulous music.
I love finding hidden gems like this.
Von solcher Musik regiert in der Seele der Frieden und Stille.Anscheinend ist der große Rhein dafür verantwortlich !!! Tepper Michael.
‘Ole Ludwig Van Beethoven had a worthy protege in Ferdinand Ries. This piece is radiant! It is a wonderful concept that is executed breathtaking dynamic. It has verve, suave, the last movement is jovial and dramatic. What I wouldn’t give to hear it in the concert hall. It could even be that works of this caliber may begin to revive attendance at classical music concerts. If people would have just the slightest inclination to expand their musical outlook it may be even revolutionary. Who knows? PWG
I love it, Never before heard it. Excelent orchestra and the pianist fantastic. I live in Argentina and am surpraised that we never have been able to listen to this marvellous work.
That second movement is so beautiful, and unorthodox-sounding for that time period too!
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo Maestro!
Very prophetic of Chopin while also being reminiscent of Mozart and Beethoven. This piece and the composer deserve more recognition, wonderful example of the transition between Classicism and Romanticism
Abhik Mazumder “very prophetic of Chopin” totally agree
The orchestral writing seems to anticipate Schumann at times. But Ries need not take a back seat to anybody, really...
Chopin had played some of his works as early as when he was still in Poland
But how can he be reminiscent of Beethoven while they lived at the same time???
Ries was a Beethoven student. One very imitative...
아름다운 연주곡 잘 들었습니다~감사합니다~🎵🎻🎹🌿🍀☘🌹🌹☘🍀🌿❤❤
Elegantissimo Ferdinand Ries, degno allievo e amico di Beethoven.
Grazie.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR EXCELLENT MUSIC BY SUCH A GENIUS COMPOSER AS FERDINAND RIES TO BE UNDESERVEDLY NEGLECTED AND NOT PLAYED IN CONCERT HALLS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF HIS MUSIC ON CDS AT LAST NOW, AS WELL AS HERE. ON YOU TUBE.
I am going to conduct his music.
Superbe, réjouissant, et j'ai adoré le Larghetto. 🙏🎶💓🎶✨
This piece of music was on the radio when I started my car,thought it could have been Beethoven,not so after 5 minutes,to many Things Beethoven wouldn't do,was interested to see people's comments about Beethovens liking for Reis. Stunning concerto,love from London
0:00 I Allegro con moto
12:45 II Larghetto con moto
17:45 III Allegro molto
TY
Une partition joyeuse et qui mérite le détour, fort bien jouée de surcroît...
Ferdinand Ries construit ses architectures sonores comme un mouvement de masses sonores qui se heurtent à des vitesses fulgurantes et sous tellement d’angles différents, délimités comme des zones de couleurs irisés sur une carte, tout en mouvements gracieux
Bravo Henrik, you got the point. A great poet reportedly said: "The cheap poets copy, the great poets steal". It is valid for all the arts.
What CH does with brilliant Hummel he does likewise with Ries. Thank you, Christopher, Uwe and players.
great concert, thank you
This is a beautiful Piano Concerto! You guys should also check out JOSEPH WOLFL in youtube ....who is from the same era. You will be surprised at how good this JOSEPH WOLFL is.
Another great concerto that needs audiences in North America to hear and appreciate it. I have stopped going to many classical music concerts because the programming is so predictable and "safe." Unless a composer is a known entity, many music directors fear that audiences won't sign up. Sad but true I guess.
Poco conocido pero muy impresionante!
just found out about your channel and im so in love with it thanks so much for sharing these pieces
Wow! Great composition and fantastic performance.
He made the best of his friendship with Herr Beethoven. The first movement is the standout. I detected the serene philosophy prevalent in so much of his mentors masterpieces. He did well to imbue the architecture of his ideas similarly while maintaining his own unique powers of invention. I found it thoroughly engaging and intellectually stimulating and hoped there would be a cadenza yet was not at all disappointed it was omitted. Living in the shadow of that colossus had to had been most challenging and doubtless forced him to find his own voice. This being the first time I have heard any of his concertos I must say I am very impressed by his success in distinguishing himself. It is certainly to Beethoven’s credit to recognize and respect the work of his assiduous and ardent student to admire and compliment his efforts. I may also add that Beethoven seemed genuinely gracious though Ries’ reverence for the master evidently helped him to resign himself to never succeeding him. Beethoven was the original man apart, “above and beyond.” PWG
This is the concerto in A-flat Major, Op. 151.
21:07 delightful moment
좋은 연주 감사합니다.^^
very beautiful concerto for piano and orchestra
Great work for finger-work impressing. 'Dignity of Music' ? Who need it ?
I don't understand why orchestras don't perform this concerto at all. :-(
Endnu en dejlig blid klaverkoncert Dejligt at lytte til.......
....delizioso !!!!!.......
Fantástico!
!! BUENÍSIMO !!!!
From such music reign in the soul peace and quietness. Apparently the Great Fairy Raine is to blame for this !!! Tepper Michael.
magnifique
This is a beautiful recording and performance of a true virtuoso vehicle with distinctive musical integrity. Ries does include a phrase from the Schumann concerto, and even Beethoven's "Pastoral Symphony", and the whole work carries the spirit and style of Hummel, but it is still purely-minted inspiration with much originality. It should surely be as well-known as Hummel's B-Minor concerto, and right now I'm not quite sure which work I prefer. At first hearing, this one carried me away with it.
As this concerto was written some 20 years before Schumann's - I'd say that Schumann included a phrase from Ries ;)
Totally my fault, or oversight. I should have known better, although I had forgotten the date of the Schumann. Thanks for the correction.
Also reminiscent of Beethoven's 3rd symphony. Interesting stuff!
Beethoven endearingly called him 'Fredi'
You can just hear his love and respect for Beethoven in this, can't you?
Ferdi, not Fredi
Ries' piano concertos hold my soul hostage! HELP :-)
Listen to Justin Bieber from time to time .............;)
Merci....mais trop tard! J'ai été transféré à Guantánamo pour mes gouts non-conformistes. J'attends ton arrivée ...haha
Essaie aussi Howard Hanson, c'est divin, et bon courage alors............ ;-)
I am really shocked by this piece. Who is Ries? This piano concerto is amazing!
+Richard Bonchen Ferdinand Ries was a Classical-Romantic composer. He's most well known as one of Beethoven's pupils, as well as his personal friend and secretary.
Thank you! No wonder he is so excellent! His style is similar to Beethoven.
Richard, I'm so glad that you've discovered the deliciously satisfying; sweet as peanut butter and chocolate, music of Ries. This is one of the best of Ries's Pieces
I think same
A great friend and aid to Beethoven.
Música maravilhosa
Tao bom encontrar alguem do Brasil ? ou de Portugal ? que dá um sinal de existencia e interesse, e logo por Ferdinand Ries. Eu executei obras cameristas dele, muitos anos atrs no Brasil. Mas os concertos sao fantasticos, a gente poderia organizar um Festival Ries !
It's interesting that some composers are remembered widely and others not. I wondered why that would be, and came to the conclusion that the ones remembered were themselves, and didn't try to 'sound' like anyone else. It isn't anything against Ries. It's good and it does deserve to be heard, but I do think that that is where it falls.
Well, I suppose we will never know, however, as I listen, I think it's good, but it lacks individual character - for instance, Rachmaninoff sounds like Rachmaninoff, Chopin as Chopin, but with Ries, for example it just lacks distinction. However, I am not saying I think it's bad. I was just wondering why it is that some are remembered and others not, considering they all know what they're doing. Also, though, you can transfer that individualism to movies (directors). There are those who are themselves, and become successful, and those who imitate.
+Henrik Larsen If you really feel like this, listen to Kalkbrenner or Joseph Deszczynski - then you'll find how much they sound like Chopin, a few years before Chopin's piano concerto. Then you can also look at music history, which reveals a few interesting facts about people like Fibich, or even Liszt himself getting into disagreements with their fellows and made some lives (and their works) a bit difficult to survive (Joachim Raff being involved in the latter case). No, it's very often not the 'guilt' of quality, only the behaviour of 'academia' that stands behind some excellent works having almost disappeared. After all, a pianist can't learn all works by Chopin, Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms and Liszt after Bach and Mozart, and then expected to add a few hundred others like by Scharwenka, Bortkiewicz or Ries, all in the few years of getting up to fame. And where would they perform the latter, which competition would accept a Reinecke or Sgambati concerto to be performed in the finals instead of Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff? No, the answer is almost always the establishment. Thank heavens, some sometimes discover these pieces as well, somehow, and even find a conductor with an orchestra, and they manage to record the performance, then someone like this person or another to publicise the recording. All thanks to such people.
Interesting discussion. I think it is also the nature of learning about the history of something. I think in all the arts, there is a standard kind of presentation of master works. People will initially look at the different periods through time with a small number of creative people that represent a high level of achievement in that age. I also think in terms of this it is partly also about the artist's journey (Beethoven is a great example of this, we see him exploring, developing and evolving his creative process.) Some people (who call themselves classical music lovers) might only be familiar with a few Mozart piano concertos and a couple of Beethoven piano concertos. Others might know all these 2 composers works. Some might play them all. Some people might love exploring the changes in styles through the major composers into the 21st Century and have a detailed knowledge and fascination with the latest creations, where others love exploring the subtle differences between the late classical/early romantic composers.
I really enjoyed listening to this concerto tonight for the first time, and I've only just recently started listening to lesser known composers from this period. It can feel quite shocking how many brilliantly talented composers there are.
But if I compare this music say with Schubert, whose inner voice sings its own unique wonder with such individuality, or the sublimity of Chopin's concertos, I can see how the history makers don't include this music, as wonderful as it is, into the story of the great geniuses.
Though I agree that music like this should have a lot more opportunies for performance
David Carter, excelente comentário!
You must enjoy a huge library of pieces with which to make your comparisons. With my limited resources and knowledge I must settle for enjoying this wonderful piece
No wonder Beethoven admired him very much.
I add it in my Favorites
hermoso concierto
Why the classical world is still so biased? This concert should be played regularly, it is beautiful. But we have the same concerti over and over, played in halls and competitions. I don't get it.
thank you...:)
Beethoven and Ries held each others music in high esteem. However, Beethoven had received
piano lessons from Ries' father and the young Ferdinand had previously been trained by his father, Bernhard Romberg and Carl Cannabich. He worked as a music copyist, took lessons in piano under Beethoven and later became Beethoven's secretary. Negotiating with publishers on Beethoven's behalf (skills Ludwig lacked) and making corrections to the scores which Beethoven was notorious for not keeping in order (he had sloppy handwriting). Ries went on to give the German premiere of the Choral Symphony (Beethoven's 9th). Ries married an English woman with whom he had three children. He was also blind in one eye and evaded being drafted into the occupying French Army during Napoleon. He lived in Vienna, Bonn, Paris and England where he later resigned as director of the Philharmonic Society because they refused to feature his works. He died in Frankfurt where he lived out his final years. His music was actually well received abroad, but when he passed no magazine would publish his obituary because he had been overshadowed by other composers and the changing times.
音楽が最高水準であっても個性に欠けるだけでこんなにも忘れ去られるとは...
He learned well from his master while maintaining some individuality. Of course living in the shadow of THE GREAT GENIUS the saying certainly applies, “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” I like this piece! PWG
I am a beautiful piano music hoarder with this’ll work going on if.
It is almost like the pianoconcert of Hummel.
Beethoven's pupil and friend...
Ries' works are quite wonderful, but I'm afraid his close relationship with LvB has condemned his work as purely influential - which is unfair. Sure there is influence, but I hear a lot of uniqueness, and this particular work shows great composition.
Ries is a better melodist than Beethoven, no doubt about that...
hummel b minor piano concerto
Chaque compositeur a ajouté sa touche pour l'évolution de la culture musicale , il n'y a pas ''grands'' et ''petits'' , il n'y a que ceux qui sont joués tout les jours et les autres ... beaucoup des femmes et des hommes compsiteurs du 19èm et 20èm siècle ne sont plus joués au 21èm siècle ...
If Beethoven and Hummel had a love child, Ries would be the baby.
面白い(≧∇≦)😆😆😆
Hummel does not belong in the same conversation
Why not?
Of all those who lived in Beethoven's shadow, Ries is surely next after Hummel (whom I rather prefer to the boy from Bonn).
"whom I rather prefer to the boy from Bonn." Shows how much you really know about music. Hummel's b minor is something of a pre-Romantic masterpiece, though, but still not in the same league as about 4 of Beethoven's piano concertos. (The B-flat is a weak work, however.)
Beethoven's concerto in B flat major is not weak but a buoyant work when played with proper 18th century articulation.
"Like" on 25 July 2017
Skitterend.
Es como si escuchara a beethoven de nuevo,,,,
Ries might be better than some traditionalists here argue, citing the judgment of history. Let me remind that for nearly a century J.S. Bach’s son’s were held in higher esteem than their father who we now consider one of the of the best, if not the very best, composer of all time. Felix Mendelssohn rescued J.S. from obscurity, an interesting tale in itself. The judgment of history can be flawed and certainly is not the same over time.
If I have a complaint about Ries it is that he is not as consistently good as a J.S. Bach, a Beethoven or a Mozart. Mozart produced interesting, good music even when he tried to be bad. See, for example, Mozart’s Musical Joke, which still sound’s pretty good to most ears. However, when Ries is good, I find him very good indeed, IMHO. Now that his music is becoming available, especially over the Internet, I suspect Ries will eventually be both better known and be held in higher esteem than currently.
Gentlemen, I don't share your enthusiasm. I'm a great lover of unknown composers and their works, but I find this way too derivative and uninspired. Even Beethoven complained to him about his lack of originality.
Beethoven complained about Ries every way possible after Ries secured a kappellmeister post in Westphalia which Beethoven greatly wanted. Beethoven's acute and protracted fits of anger are well documented and need to be taken "with a grain of salt".
Derivative and uninspired? in what way? The finale particularly hardly lacks originality. The cadenzas are an added treat you seldom find with Beethoven and appear to predate Chopin.
This is the first piece of Reis' music I've ever heard and am astounded he's not in the repertoire. I look forward to discovering more of this "unknown."
I have never understood the tendency many people have to misspell a four letter name, even when the correct spelling is right in front of them. Since I have the same family name as the composer, I've seen this all my life and at this point, I find it mildly amusing.
it is unfortunate that being knowledgable about music and able to find fault with this piece, you are presumably unable to enjoy it. Then I will wallow in my musical ignorance as I found it to be absolutely gorgeous. My grateful thanks to the provider of this gem
In your [presumably] anglophone milieu, you must often find yourself mispronounced as a plural of 'rye', and also misspelled as the Welsh name 'Rhys'. Hopeless, eh? Well now, if you're any relation to Ferdinand (i.e. of Rhineland origin?), then I hope you're musical too!
Well . . . when does the good part begin (?) Pffffft . . .
Low talent composer,
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 Yes, all the secundary composers (Ries/Moseless/Cherny/Herz........) have many problems:
Mozart kv 467/kv 299, Beethoven op.37/op.73/op.40/op.50, Chopin op.11/op.36/op.52/op.54, Liszt ballade1+2/un sospiro/tarantelle/rigoletto...............................................
shut the fuck up, he is amazing