Why We'll Never Have the Perfect Controller - Cheddar Explains
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 เม.ย. 2019
- In the 30 years since the classic NES controller debuted, controller design has come a long way. Or has it? Controller designs aren’t only about ergonomics. They’re also sites of clashing philosophies, corporate rivalries, and the battle for the loyalties of elite players.
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What's your hot take on best controller to date?
Gamecube is best!
for fps games keyboard and mouse is still the best
GameCube...
Xbox 360 just cause it's so ergonomic
Mouse+keyboard is the best for me ^^
No one:
Cheddar: “Look at the size of that thing!”, proceeds to give no reference to compare size of that thing to
yeah
It looks like a toaster
Cheddar logo top right for scale.
Honestly in my perception I only saw it as about 2 inches long
Cheddar and that’s supposed to be...?
"why we'll never have the perfect controller" - offers no theory or insight as to why this might be true. Thanks, Cheddar.
Furthermore they probably never read and understood the paper they reference at 0:40. Because it's TOILET PAPER.
I could elaborate, but it's evident that there are purely ergonomic considerations that the author of the paper doesn't understand but actual controller developers do. Wrong finger, wrong force reference, wrong design goals, and the paper concludes with presenting a "perfect" by-the-book controller that will break your thumb ligaments.
Came here to say this
Typical cheddar lol
Shut up cry baby
@@pootang284 Yeah, stupid people and their valid criticisms lol >.>
All you did was a slight history on controllers. You never answered the question.
Thanks you saved me 8 minutes
CLICKED AND BAITED ONCE AGAIN
That's my thoughts exactly!
Here's a probable answer
*because there is never two snowflakes with the same pattern*
If the company CEO says its comfortable a pro gamer might not
They kinda always do that smh
"LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT THING!"
*Gives no frame of reference
Jesio
Could’ve been microscopic for all we know XD
They showed it next to the ps controller
@Jon Galt Lol.
couldve been the size of controllers now
They did give a reference,3x larger than the PS controller shown next to it.
"Look at the size of that thing"
how am I supposed to see the size if there is nothing for scale near by?
Maybe she wasn’t talking about the controller *lennyface*
🍌< for scale
@@cheddar helps alot, thanks )
@@cheddar savage
the PC master race laughing in console peasant controller LOL
But... you never answered the question!
The comment I was looking for.
Like most of the cheddar videos. Interesting questions, but no answer..
My Exact thought. It was a nice little history of game controllers, but it never even broached why a "perfect" controller was impossible. In fact, it seems like a perfect controller is more and more likely.
Came to post this too. Doesn't even really explain what is wrong with the modern controller. Doesn't even mention the Wii or motion controls. Feels like it was only half finished.
Yeah thought the same, but it's cheddar, so I was expecting as much
The reason we’ll never have the perfect controller is because the GameCube controller is missing a shoulder button.
@rng IMO the x and y buttons should be a little closer.
Except for the Switch version it gets an extra one it's missing i think
Big Toblerone no. It has the same buttons as the original.
@@bigtoblerone8446 one of the third party ones has the extra shoulder button
Lul, the gamecube controller actually borders on being a bad controller. Its the beginning of the good design the xbone-controller would eventually have, but doesnt really hide the fact that the face buttons are a disaster, the stick feels uncomfortable, never mind the c-stick being a trainwreck and the general feel of holding a gamecube controller is not ideal.
Lets face it: people who defend the gamecube controller are people who play smash. And somebody who trained smash since childhood probably will never change the controller, of fear of drifting away from the level they reached by training with it. But its telling that nintendos REAL controller, the pro controller, is pretty much an xbone controller. It may not be the perfect controller and god knows how much the battery industry paid microsoft to leave out battery packs, but in terms of design the best controller right now is theirs.
“Without a controller, there is no game.”
Well no shit.
Damn, im wondering how im playing games without a controller then
Talking about video game controllers;
Talks about pro players;
Proceeds showing League pro players, who obviously don't use controllers.
Keyboard
@Noah full blown carpal tunnel can happen in your 20's. But even when I play for a few hours I will sometimes cramp up in my left hand and that has never happened with a controller.
they showed league pro players to show pro players, then they talked about a ssb melee player, wich really uses (or used) a controller. I think they know what they are doing
@@gabemerritt3139 they arent less ergonomic than controllers, lmao
@@jim-df7sx yeah, melee is the most intense game you can play with a controller, you end up with an average of 5 to 7 inputs per second. Starcraft players have more than that and thats why theres is such an issue with carpal tunnel and similar issues, more inputs, not faulty ergonmics. also these things are usually caused by poor hand health practices (no stretching, hours without breaks, unhealthy hand positions, pressing buttons needlessly hard or with needless effort)
Soooo.... why won’t we have a perfect controller? This was just a documentary of ergonomics in controllers
I believe they were hinting at the fact that controllers won't be completely ergonomic due to a few factors like preconceived notions of what a controller should look like, brand recognition, optimized performance, durability, and bulky internal parts.
Basically you can't have it all and you have to prioritize what is important. For example the video says something like buttons should be further apart so they're more ergonomic, but they also bring up the fact that close buttons allow users to hit buttons faster. Ergonomics vs user performance. They had to choose one.
Its a False title, but to answer your question, most likely because its literally impossible. There is not way to make a game controller that is perfect for every gamers while also being ergonomic. Someone like me dont find the offset analog to be comfortable, while others love it to death. (And thats why i have not departure from playstation). There is also some game that just not great for has a better controller layout, tho the only thing i can think of is smash bros, as gamecube controller are better for it.
Not only that, the way you hold the controller can cause some issue too. Putting you hand close together, Extending your thumb to reach the analogue. Those can contribute to other things as well. Tweaks will be make, but making it perfect is not possible.
Meanwhile, nintendo keep running away from being the most ergonomic controller ever made. Each controller they make are just getting worse for ergonomic, but im not complaining. They are the most creative one out there and i sure hell love their games.
@Vox3l-Gl1tch Yeah, that could work.
I wonder if anyone gonna go into this route. and if someone does go, how well will it go, or it will fail like modular cellphone
Remember also, that aside from the fact that people just have different preferences, they may also have a tendency to play different kinds of games which work better with different controller features.
And, even factoring all of that in? People's hands are different sizes.
What feels comfortable to someone with really large hands is going to be drastically different to what feels comfortable to someone with small hands.
Your mass produced game controller has to somehow be fairly comfortable for nearly everyone.
But 'sort of comfortable for everyone' is by definition 'probably not perfectly comfortable for anyone'
Maybe this is why Xbox brought back the duke for a bit...
It genuinely is a better controller for some people...
But not for everyone...
@@hamizannaruto It would be several orders of magnitude less complex and more cost effective than a modular cell phone. In fact it doesn't have to succeed on the same scale as the cost of entry into the market is much lower, it could be a viable niche, just like modified controllers are. Literally someone could start selling electronics kits with boards and connectors, and offer a selection of shell parts to 3D print yourself. Even with mass produced plastic kit parts, the cost of starting up such a business could be in tens of thousands. Modular phone has to cost about 50 million or so.
One problem is vendor lock-in/lock-out. There are deliberate compatibility barriers in consoles to prevent you from making a third party controller, which manufacturers of counterfeits don't necessarily struggle with, but legitimate businesses trying to engineer something custom do. Controllers on PC are more of a niche, but are a sensible target.
But failure is always an option!
She: "Why we'll never have a perfect controller"
*puts the GameCube Controller on the thumbnail*
Me: ExCusE me WhAt tHE fUCk
Fax gamecube is great
its probably the best feeling controller but it doesn't have as many buttons or features as modern controllers
@@anty. yeah a bigger c stick would be great and a d pad that isn't garbage. Plus another shoulder button. Then itd be perfect
Have you ever used the d-pad on that? I love the controller but the dpad is garbage.
@@anty. there are versions with the current switch controls selling on amazon
>Makes a video called “Why we’ll never have the perfect controller”
>Uses the only perfect controller as the thumbnail
Mike F was looking for this comment. I cannot understand why nobody else (including Nintendo) re-used the 1 shape per button idea.
I never liked it. It doesn't help that I'm not a huge Nintendo fan.
@@Etienne.6329 Why spend money on many molds when you can have one across many buttons?
@@cptncutleg good point… it might be more expensive/complicated to make.
@@angelemmanuelperezmuniz1474 MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
N64 best controller, I hate not having a grip for my third hand
Ikr lol
God that was so awful, idk what Nintendo was thinking with that one.
I actually loved the N64 controller, especially the C buttons. Games like Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Majora's mask, Banjo Kazooie, Tooie, DK64 and Super Mario 64 would be unplayable (at least for me) on a dual analog controller.
The Dreamcast controller on the other hand, was an abomination. Worse than the first original Xbox controller.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark
They explained in the video what they were thinking.
Essentially, you were only to use two grips at a time depending on what game you were playing.
Bogmire777 you haven’t played on one of those have you?
"... Has come a long way. Or HAS it? *vsauce intensifies*
@David or should he ? *( Vsauce intensifies again)*
weird keyboard music with pepper shaker effect in the background and funky bass tune
weird micheal-like look
Micheal pops up his head from nowhere... "Hi Micheal here! .. Or is he?!" xD
@David why is he a sellout
2:05 How do you get to be Sony's president, a classically trained musician and an accomplished jet pilot?!
Right? Bring that guy back. He sounds rad. Sony didn't have a superiority complex back then.
Rich parents and a desire to learn, in Japan at those times, you had to have both.
"Look at the size of that thing!"
- _neglects to show near other items for scale, instead choosing to _*_zoom in_* -
Additional information.
Nintendo have a patent on the + style d-pad. That's why all other game companies had to redesign their d-pad.
That patent expired a few years back, which is why the xbox360 had a terrible d pad but the xbox one has the good + d pad.
And you can see a rounded + d-pad on google's stadia gamepad
@@peter-w Literally who cares about Stadia
@@kazzymiller the journalists apparently. They won't stop talking about it
@@kazzymiller it's a pretty big deal both within and outside of the game stream sphere. Stadia will run on Linux, so that will eventually lead to much better Linux support for games which will loosen Microsoft's hold on the gaming market.
0:04 The size is hard to identify, as the object is shown in isolation.
On a yellow background as well, making it look bigger then it really is
Also the NES controller is oddly large
Trust me it's huuuuge compared to a wedge of "Cheddar" cheese!! lol
When I first held an Xbox one controller, I was amazed with how well it fell into my hands compared to generations prior. Sony's ps5 redesign definitely took some ergonomic notes from Xbox, showing we are definitely going somewhere when it comes to controller layout and comfort.
ehem.... no.
Gamecube was before Xbox. They were the first to have that design.
Get ur facts straight
Actually the Xbox made its debut in North America just a couple months after Gamecube debut in Japan, and it was released three days later after the Xbox in NA. So really, they both thought of that design at pretty much the same time.
They were in development at the exact same time
It’s kinda sad how much nintendo revolutionised gaming and most people who own a playstation or Xbox have the daft idea that they are superior for owning a console with more power.
actually, Sega was the first to put a stick above the DPAD, not that they had dual stick but still.
they were also the first with analog triggers
Same time development
But the gamecube controller already exists....
All throughout the making of this video this was the only thing I could say 😎
The gamecube controller is good but it's got issues: The D-pad is way too smaller, as is the B button and XY buttons for people with larger hands, there's only 1 bumper, etc. I think the 360, Xbox One, and WiiU and Switch Pro controllers are the closest to "perfect": There's nothing about them I would really change to improve them in terms of layout, only under the hood stuff.
Nah c-stick is garbage.
@@MajoraZ The Switch Pro Controller D-pad is atrocious, though.
@@MajoraZ the xbox360 dpad also sucks, i always accidentally hit 2 buttons on accident. Horrible mor swm rom hacks.
But the RE4 chainsaw already exists.
See, thats what i thought.
When your thumbnail contradicts the whole video.
Melee Life.
Still melee life
RE: controller ergonomics
Oculus Touch is my all time favorite controllers. To me, they are the closest I've ever felt to a controller being simply a natural extension of my hands.
This video has completely ignored xbox's adaptive controller, which was developed to allow games to be accessible to as many people as possible.
That Won Dude the adaptive control while good, is designed more for accessibility than ergonomics. Now with that being said to some one with disabilities could argue that it’s ergonomic for them. The problem with that argument is that people have different disabilities and needs. Therefore in this case there is no widely used set up other than the base adaptive controller.
Exactly, Cheddar's videos are getting very poorly researched and clickbaity
You cant really enjoy a game on that thing. Its to allow handicapped players to actually play. You’re not getting a kill streak on it though
The TacomaKid what?????
People can learn to succeed in a game using any controller including the adaptive one. IIRC, I've run into some people online who use that controller to play and are quite skilled at the games they play using it.
"measured the most popular controllers..."
Instantly proceeds to show The Duke controller, possibly one of the most hated controllers ever made...
The duke controller was basically made for obese people with massive hands lmfao.
Duke was a great controller. When hyperkin remade the duke for new systems it was a great success. The duke was such a revolutionary controller.
Most popular as in most common! It's reputation is also a sign that it was used by many
@@octopus8420 Words have meaning thought. "Popular" and "common" are 2 different things. A proper wording would be "widely used" but even then, the Duke does not fit that definition either.
I loved the Duke
I'm surprised no one's said "my favorite controller is a keyboard" yet.
I think the pc master race is beginning to realize either how annoying they are, or how little we care. These are the same guys that go to retro collecting posts to comment "Emulators...".
GC Controller: exists
Cheddar: why we will never have the perfect controller
gamecube controller is kinda ass compared to WiiU/Switch pro controllers (or really even xbox 360/One) imo.. there's a reason they've never used that design again and are only keeping it on life support for Smash nostalgia lol..
Switch's Pro Controller is perfect aside from analog triggers being missing, and thats a better sacrifice to make than Gamecube's clunky button layout, microscopic 2nd stick/dpad, only one shoulder bumper, etc..
You didn’t actually answer the question though...
*However, we still gonna smash and blame the controllers when we lost*
Yes we will...and lag...lol
No, I just suck, lol!
I blame it on all of the above.
"Why well never have the perfect controller"
Thumbnail is picture of perfect controller
Stop lying to yourself
"or has it?"
*Vsauce music plays*
The Gamecube controller precedes the XBox controller, tho.
False?
@@user-ok8yq6nc6x Nope. Gamecube first released two months prior to te XBox.
@@felipenachmanowicz9393 Come on now they came out the same year...
J R Yeah they did come out the same year, but the GameCube still came out before the Xbox, therefore the GameCube technically precedes the Xbox.
@@SuperRetro64 technically correct is the best correct
Everyone knows the best controller is the Phantasy Star Online Keyboard Gamecube controller
Sebastián Starstuff That thing was a crazy controller!
"Look at the size of that thing!"
This guy.. he gets it lol
Not sure of being sarcastic or pc master race.
@Max The Random Lepurchaun I know. I was referencing that futurama "not sure if" meme.
2:14 That conducting is anything but casual. Notice he does not have a score and his eyes are free to focus on giving the orchestra cues. This means he would have studied the piece well enough so that he knows it inside and out. That's a sign of a hard-core conductor.
1:37, wow that’s a really young Paul Rudd. Had no idea he was acting back then.
How this around the same time he was in clueless
Thumbs Down!! There is No link to the sources used. You are especially missing the standard of ergonomics used for this video.
The article named is shown at 0:42. Here it is: www.longdom.org/abstract/the-ergonomic-development-of-video-game-controllers-24556.html Funnily enough, she brought up the only category where all the controllers failed. It is only reasonable that the controllers did not meet the ergonomic standards as making them large enough for 95th percentile users is that making them that size and spacing them properly would most likely make the controller too large for most people to use comfortably. But yes, thumbs down for bad journalism.
The gamecube controller is the perfect controller.
The Nintendo Switch version of the gamecube controller, the one with the extra Z button; and the new analog stick clicker buttons... ...that controller is a godsend.
Also I want a usb Duke controller
I think they made a duke recently, has an animation in the big Xbox logo in the middle, pretty cool
The hyperkin usb duke is really high quality
I loved the Duke, super comfy
The Duke is still my favorite controller.
Vivisect nah, too big and bulky, though understandable for a first attempt, go 360 or go home, and the Xbox one that came after the was just a poor copy of the 360 controller
I have regularly used Atari, SNES, N64, DreamCast, XBOX, GameCube, Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch. Xbox 360 was by far my favorite. The shape, the size, the weight, the durability, the feel, the layout, the ease of use were all there. It was as close to perfect as I could have asked for and would use it on any console today if I could. Atari was good for what it was: an early at-home console with limited power. The controller fit the games well mostly, and it performed well, but it did get annoying having one hand as a paperweight. SNES was also not bad, but didn't really ever seem too comfortable. N64 might have changed now that they explained the third prong, but the button layout is just so tough to get back into after playing more modern consoles. DreamCast was actually pretty good and my controllers have held up for roughly 20 years. A little bulky with small triggers and very short wires, a little flat as well, but overall definitely useable. XBOX controllers were always odd to me and seemed really massive compared to its counterparts out there. GameCube controllers were actually really sturdy and had a fantastic size and weight, but the button layout with 1 bumper, and the oddly shaped ABXY layout always threw me off, but better than XBOX. Wii was good for the games it had, but not really comparable to the others. PS3 is the first one with real gripes. The controller was light, but always creaked when I held it, making sounds like it was going to snap apart. The controller was also way too small for my hands, and it was extremely annoying to play with. Xbox 360 was beautiful (as mentioned above). Would use on any console if I could get it to work right. PS4 is a pretty well-balanced controller. I don't use much of the fancy features and the pad is overwhelmingly useless to me (not bad, just a non-factor), but the shape is great and it is much more durable than the PS3. Much more sturdy, but I do miss the left dialog stick at the top. Xbox One is a controller I can't use. It's too bulky, too spaced out, breaks incredibly easily. We had Xbox Ones and PS4s in college and the Xbox One would always have stuck or missing buttons and the dialog sticks would wear so much faster. For comparison, I rotate my PS4 controllers when I play by myself, and they still have the grip after being used in that same environment in college to now. The Switch controllers are definitely different and I like the mobility, but I'm not a huge fan of the controllers. They're too flat, big, and small at the same time. But, they're definitely useable and mobile, so there's a bit of a tradeoff.
Gamecube:
1. Genious analog triggers with a digital button and the plastic is shaped for your fingers.
2. Perfect sticks.
3. The tetris shaped buttons that allows access for pressing three buttons at the same time and separates them by function.
4. The colours.
5. The standard D-pad.
6. It fits very well with your hands.
>video on console controllers
>clip of league of legends esports
Shhh, Cheddar is not yet aware that there are pro e-sport players that play on consoles too.
"Why we'll never have the perfect contoller"... but you have the Gamecube controller right there in the thumbnail?!
It's a great controller overall imo. Yet the triggers leave a lot to be desired and d-pad is one of the worst of all controllers. Personally I'd love to see a refinement of either that or the Dreamcast controller. Though for now the best official controller I've used is the DualShock 4.
Dang, they forgot the controller king, called the 360 controller
@@smithmcsmithy2645 the 360 controller is atrocious the dpad is actual garbage plus is has no internal power source and had to take double As which made it like 3 pounds
Elijah Beukers The fuck you got muscular dystrophy, three battery’s shouldn’t seem like 3 pounds to you, and if you don’t like the weight just get the corded one, because don’t be going around trying to tell me the uncomfortable dual shock controller series is in anyway comfortable, and if you say the Switch controller was comfortable, the pro is just a generic Xbox like controller, as for joycons, how small do my hands have to be to hold those comfortably for a long period of time
HardstyleFox The Gamecube contoller is perfect for SMASH... otherwise, the PS1/2 controllers are best.
0:35 I refuse to believe that is the most ergonomic. Idek where to grip that!
Title: "Why We'll Never Have the Perfect Controller"
Thumbnail: A perfect controller
Xbox one change the dpad because Nintendo patent is discontinued in 2011
it was 2005
"This was the controller for the first video game console"
*doesn't say what console it was*
googled it: Magnavox Odyssey
The SN30 Pro is pretty damn spectacular. After getting used to the stick being low, I fucking love it. The shape fits perfectly in my hands and all the buttons feel great. It's a great controller for all kinds of games. I use it for DS, GCN, N64, and GBA.
The first PlayStation controller was not called the dualshock
Dis vid a play
The first Playstation controller with two analog sticks wasn't called the DualShock either, it was called the "Dual Analog Controller" with NO vibration(except in Japan), then the DualShock came out after that, I remember my friend thinking he's got a DualShock, when he in fact had the original "Dual Analog Controller"
@@lmcgregoruk interesting... I did not know that
1:24: The Dual Shock was notoriously uncomfortable for human hands until the PS4 era.
it's still uncomfortable
I can't believe people use the dualshock it's so goddamn uncomfortable
@@kebab3703 my main complaint is the trigger length. Lucky Aliexpress has trigger adapters.
Gabriel Russell frfr when I played at my friends house, the thumbs were a problem, I played on xbox instead
As a fighting game player, people tend to prefer the dpad that is a separate button for each. So dualshock is popular in other areas.
3:23 UUUGHH! the way that guys is holding the N64 Control is giving me nightmares...
My favourite controller is mouse and keyboard because you actually have control - also games aren't dumbed down because controls aren't a limitation, Borderlands is easier on xbox because it knows you can't aim as well and so it makes it easier to aim but on PC it gives no help because you can look at an exact point immediately
My fav controller has always been xbox 360. And i actually liked the duke controller on the original xbox. Being someone with larger hands i find a lot of controllers are too small. Infact i find it hard to play playstation for long periods because i find the controller too small.
Hyperkin got ms permission to make a duke that has a usb and the center plays the xbox start up when plugged in www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Duke-Wired-Controller-Windows-Black/dp/B079ZPCCLM
I had this kind problem on the switch, my thumb wood start hurting after an hour, but for me it was easy to fix instead of puting the tip of my tumb on the butten i wanted to push and move it around I now let my thumb rest over the ABXY buttens and wen i want to push one I just put a bit of pressure towards the one(or ones) i want to activate
I feel like such an idiot for not using this sooner even if i didn't need to before because asside from it being more confortable it's also mutch more practical and allows for faster reflexes
Wait. You have big hands but you liked the 360 controller? Didn't your fingers get cramped from the battery pack?
Gripping the small handles hurts my hands after long playthrough.
My favorite controller is the switch pro controller, theres just something about it that’s different from the others
Isnt that just like the xbox one controller?
I really like the pro controller for the switch but man Nintendo start releasing some games on that console. Only game I like is Zelda so far after smash bros has such a awful laggy online mode
KyleTVProductions its a bit changed in angles and button placements make it a bit more comfortable
d pad
ew nintendo switch
I love the WiiU Gamepad simply because of the Logic of it all. It's got the joysticks where your thumbs rest (on top, great for FPS), and the large size and comfortable weight kept my hands from cramping. The screen and gyro mean that you can make micro-adjustments to your aim using motion, addressing the main problem with pure-stick aim. Some people hate it, and that's understandable, but I love the gamepad. The pro controller is alright too.
Controller idea: you have two trackballs at the top right and left parts of the controller (where the bumpers currently are), keep the triggers how they are, add another four buttons where each joystick used to be. You could design it better, but i just think its a funny idea
Xbox 360 controller: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
The d pad was a joke
Dragos442 who uses the d pad anymore
*ps4
Dragos442 nah u were able to switch it in it’s later form
@@federicofernandez6386 this controller is useless for fighting games
I see y'all left out the wii controller. It's not a perfect console, but I never had any issues with accessing the buttons
Combined with the nunchuck, the wii controller is pretty damn good.
It's lacking buttons, and the design makes it hard to press the D-pad and the A button simultanously, so games have to work around that. But it was a very comfortable controller indeed.
Yea, the wiimote/nunchuck was a good setup...sort of the same as playing with 2 separated joycons on switch...and you don't have to point at the screen anymore. They could be bit bigger though.
Small gripe. The NES wasn’t the first to use a D pad it was the Game and Watch.
1:37 Damn... Ant man really did get in to that time vortex!
Cheddar: *there's no perfect controller*
PC Gamer: * *chuckles* *
@Blake Belladonna you use a steering wheel for racing
@@Kevin-sy8uf Nah, you could play it on a Wii U gamepad and on it you could use the touch screen to steer it.
There are definitely some game types that suck with a mouse and keyboard. Sure there are steering wheels and flight sticks but sometimes a console style controller is just better...and you still get the bonus of a whole keyboard for mapping also.
@@vivisect53 you just supported my argument lol
Driving and 3D platform games are dreadful with a keyboard, lack of gradual analog movement means constant readjustment with only binary inputs on the length of travel of the steering wheel or character in a game. Proper PC gamers keep an Xbox or Dual shock controller nearby for playing these games. Also many 2D platformer diehards would rather a flat dpad and buttons for faster button presses and transitions of movement, hence the many SNES USB controllers available.
You fool you’ve got the perfect controller right there on the thumbnail
Not a fan of the c stick and the lack of a fourth shoulder button
Nov 5062 big oof you got me there with that Z button issue
Personally tho no other controller has made me feel like i KNOW where a b x and y actually are without looking
@@fordoxley2873 seriously swapping from gamecube, xbox, and playstation is practically impossible. But i think the modern xbox one controller really takes the gamecube design and modernizes it.... if only they had lithium ion batteries....
Gabe Merritt as I’m sure my past comments make clear, I have a disproportionate amount of experience on Nintendo’s controllers 😅
I certainly appreciate the physical form factor of the Xbox 360/One controllers when I use them at my boyfriend’s house, but these are usually with more simplistic games that don’t require much more than a primary and secondary button on the right thumb.
The most noticeable issue with the ABXY pad is actually with the Nintendo Switch. I find myself often entering incorrect keystrokes in Smash because the pad doesn’t make clear to me which is the primary button.
@@es-zw3mg those things go bad after a year, bought them 3 times. Want whatever the ps3 controller or phone batteries are made of.
The steam controller is pretty great it had so much customization and the gyroscope too bad they don't have attacable analog sticks
I wasn't expecting much from that video, I clicked on it thinking "yet another click-baity title, with most likely low-effort content behind it". I didn't know your channel, and was actually pleasantly surprised by the quality of the video itself. Good job, keep it up guys !
Not gonna lie, other then battery life. Wii U controller yeah that big thing with the screen in the middle. Feels so good in your hands, might be the best controller
Seconded! It's shockingly comfortable.
Lack of analog triggers and the thumbstick placement is bad and for that reason I'm out
J R thumstick placement is bad???? Its just not what you’re use to mate, but its vastly comfortable when you actually play wiiU games
@@MikeGlasses I said placement not movement
I like the switch pro controller better, but it certainly was something unique
I do feel the need to point out that the GameCube controller came out earlier than the Xbox, so Nintendo were the first to use offset sticks if I'm not mistaken.
I mean they came out a few months apart. I'm sure both developed the idea indipendently years before either console was revealed.
This is my assumption, but I'm sure they used the XBOX controller as the example b/c Microsoft is more open about their processes than Nintendo
@Blake Belladonna The Dreamcast only had one stick, it was placed on the top left, like the GameCube and Xbox controllers. Before that even, though, the Saturn 3D gamepad had the stick there too.
Blake Belladonna dreamcast had one stick
94dodgedude the first to make the mistake
@@keir92 to me it all depends on the game. I own all Nintendo systems, Dreamcast, all PlayStation systems, and the original Xbox, Xbox 360 and a PC with Xbox one controller for input and it really just depends on what type of game you're playing. If you're playing a 2d sidescroller, you want the d-pad up high, if you're playing in 3d space it's good to have the stick up high imo. All personal preference though.
One of the most comfortable controllers I've held is the often overlooked controller for the Virtual Boy. It actually had grips on either side, similar to the PSX controller. Both came out around the same time, too.
Put the analogue sticks in the middle of the d-pad and face buttons, lowering the travel time from stick to button, reloading/jumping/interact buttons would be a much quicker access.
* PC Elitist smirk * we already have the perfect controller it's called a keybo- * gets shot *
Depends on the game, a joystick is actually a lot better than WASD movement because of the varying sensitivity. Consoles are also beginning to make more sense these days, although they are still rubbish for RTS or really any strategy game. Hopefully the next generation of consoles don't limit inputs, a thriving 3rd party controller market would actually be pretty cool and eliminate all but the graphics issue (which, lets be honest, graphics are not improving that quickly anymore so it's becoming far less of an advantage for PC). Although they'd have to let us use a mouse if they ever wanted to absorb the PC gamer market, which will likely never happen because of the massive advantage it provides over a joystick for aiming.
Keyboard and mouse are kinda ass if you try to play games like Dark Souls, Sekiro, and Arkham series with it
>there will never be a perfect controller
What are you talking about, my DS4 is right here
Good joke.
*DS4*
In the future, there will be additional buttons above or around the d-pad to accommodate for different games such as FPS and JMMORPG’s where instead of using the same button to access a menu for meds, grenades, mana, etc; they will have their own assigned buttons for faster response times.
Here's my take: the old SEGA rocker dpads from Genesis 6-button and Saturn (same membranes, different plastic for the top piece) are the finest, most tactile and accurate pieces of engineering I've ever felt, and I have stayed up at night for the past 30 years wondering if anyone will ever take it upon themselves to make a magnetic version of it for added durability. If you could somehow retain the tactile feel of the membranes while making the input electromagnetic, that would be a close throw to perfection.
Tactile Hall Effect technology could revolutionize all digital input such as bumpers and face buttons...but it may be a pipe dream to expect that to happen in my lifetime.
Adding an additional C and Z button to the face buttons and not making them duplicates of L1 and R1 would be a godsend for Joy2Key remapping...Also, I have always wondered if there's a more efficient 6-button layout than the standard SEGA layout that could adapt the GameCube's ring approach to face buttons, just with an additional 2 buttons. Otherwise, the original Model 1 Genesis controller features an amazingly ergonomic shape for the 6-button layout, but only on the front. Adding the back of an Xbox shell to that would be awesome.
After that, use the ergonomic shell of an Xbox 360 / Series S controller with interchangeable dpad and joystick modules so that you can choose which one goes into the prime spot where your thumb naturally lies.
Hall effect triggers with internals similar to the Saturn 3D pad / Dreamcast but with the external appearance and ergonomic grip of a modern Xbox trigger. Featuring an option for analog or digital input.
Those are just the bare fundamentals that I think would go into making the perfect controller...features like dedicated screenshotting and turbo buttons, etc are also great. Thoughts?
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What level of amateur designs the boards before the shape of the device is finalised? Now that is a major screw up.
They probably had an idea, sent out the plans to a manufacturer, then changed their mind all of a sudden, but it was too late.
@@jakezepeda1267 honestly the board electronics and firmware can be designed but the layout cannot be confirmed till the form factor is known. This is not a minor issue.
Either way the proper thing to do if it ends up in a cluster @#$% like this is to redo the boards. This is a large company that cannot go under because of this. Unprofessional to still push it on to the end users.
That big Xbox controller is comfortable though, especially if you got big hands.
@@vivisect53 and Bill alluded to testing before that choice. Maybe it was their intention. If it is as the video claims though that sucks.
Microsoft made worse mistakes than that on the xbox. Did you know they failed to negotiate with Nvidea for constant reductions in price of the gpu as time went on (parts become cheaper to manufacture over time)? This gave them a fixed price for some components for all the xbox life. So when they made price cuts, they had to take a huge loss per unit.
There's sort of an answer at 7:29 which states that since we're accustomed to the original controller designs with slight modifications (ps and xbox) there won't necessarily be new development in controller ergonomics and design.
When management showed Olga the flat design, he was livid. They were afraid he was going to chuck the flat prototypes at the management team.
Management team ducking: "You see?! You could never throw a controller at us like that unless it was flat like a frisbee!"
I am probably in the minority but I miss the N64 controller.
when using it in 6 button mode it is comfortable and could be used with most old videogame systems including the satern
The N64 controller is my all-time favorite video game controller.
At first I hated it but I grew to love it. If it had the cstick from its successor I would call it my favorite
0:04 “Look at the SIZE of that!” - nothing to reference the scale with... Fail
Back in the day joysticks were actually purposefully made less ergonomic to make games harder so that you could spend more money at the arcade. They did this by moving the stick to the left and putting the buttons buttons to the right since movement is usually the most important part of games especially at that time and it worked.
"Will we ever see a redesign of the major flagship controllers? No"
Ps5: hold my beer
We don't know about the PS5 controller though. Will it have better gyro? Or is it just the PS4 controller in 2 colors? Nothing is set in stone, not even the price RANGE.
its the same as the ps4
Wow, you're just gonna skip the Sega Saturn and how they influenced Nintendo to use the analog sick???
The Duke is way more comfy then the misshapped this that replaced it
Me: finally, TH-cam recommends something at 3 AM that’s not Vsauce.
Narrator: Or has it?
Me: GOD DAMNIT ALGORITHM
This video reminds me of my 10 page paper where I bullshit about the history, then give a vague conclusion of the answer at the end.
It is obviously the Donkey Konga drums for gamecube.
Don't at me.
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I really like the steam controller
I really like you pig. 🙂
Hey! Your profile picture is exactly the same as my old one :D
The true best controller. SC for life
"She departed from what had been standard controller layout, and offset the the analogue sticks to better fit the natural position of the thumbs, a design move that proved lasting and well loved" *Shows Xbox 360 (The modern evolution of the Duke), Switch Controls (The analogue sticks are offset so that the controllers can be used on their own as well as together), and the Game Cube controller (The C-Stick was rarely used and the A, B, X and Y buttons that were 'symmetrical' with the main analogue stick were the main focus)* They completely ignore the fact that the PlayStation layout was unchanged, and that the Wii U used a symmetrical layout for the Analogue sticks.
A symmetrical layout makes sense for the two main styles of games, First/Third Person games, that focus on the two analogue sticks and the shoulder buttons, and Platformers/2D style games, that focus on the D-Pad and the face buttons.
“Why we’ll never have the perfect controller” Said someone who clearly never held the PlayStation DualShock for the first time on ps1/ps2 and realised this was peak controller design. Holds so beautifully in your hands and so comfortably it’s why PlayStation have never changed it much.
"Look at the size of that thing"
shows no reference for size???
You guys are the only ones who can make an 8 minute long video feel like 15 mins
Cheddar: The offset sticks were not in the Xbox controller first. They were on the GameCube.
5:04 are you suggesting most people have a thumb that is 1 inch longer on their left hand? Curious, as you suggest the controllers analog sticks were set into the natural position for hands. That would suggest they would be in identical positions since the frame of the controller is symmetrical. Also, Why are you constantly suggesting some random woman designed the controller when the person who designed it is very well known....
You'd think that the ideal position for analog sticks would be how the left stick is positioned on an Xbox controller, but on both sides. This would put less strain on the thumbs while using the sticks.
Mouse and keyboard masterrace
Until you want to play racing and flying games. Maybe, fighting games too. At least we are free to play any kind of controller existed.
@@emperorfaiz I dunno man, older racing games lend to using keyboard and even joystick input (apparently Clint from LGR is among them). Today's racing games have tighter turns and needing more precise throttle imputs means a controller is a minimum. I for one play old NFS games with a keyboard which I grew up on, but play modern Forza Horizon with a Xbox controller instead.
@@emperorfaiz i mostly play fps games so it doesn't really concern me
i do understand racing games and complex fighting games are easier to play with a controller (especially something like tekken); but i don't have a porblem playing something like rocket league with mouse and keyboard
Thats exactly what Manray would say
Not sure if it’s due to my learning disability or if I’m just worse at games then the avg. person, but I’ve always loved using the GameCube controller. The buttons being different shapes helps me know which buttons are what because my tactile recognition is better then my memory. When a controller has multiple buttons in one area that are all the same size and shape I never was able to remember which one had an X or a triangle on it. I always had to look at the controller before pressing. If the buttons were etched it would’ve helped (like in the GameCube controller).
Dualshock 3 was the peak for controllers. Thanks.
I get it, if you talk slowly you can stretch your video more.
FlymanMS facts i played this on 2.0playback speed
Still sub 10 Min so no need to complain
Some people can't process information quickly enough for fast talking. Because they're slow readers. This was presented so more people can think while the video rolls.
The pacing was alright not too slow
the PC master race laughing in console peasant controller LOL
Omg I thought This was an old vid But I am first
I personally like the Steam Controller the most, but I can see why people would absolutely hate it. Though There is one thing about it that has baffled me to how it actually works for me. The face buttons are in the same spot as one of the analog sticks from the Playstation controller would be and I honestly think that would be one of the most uncomfortable positions to have them. Then again the controller's ergonomics have your hands cupping the controller so they'er more on top of the controller than with the Xbox or Playstation contoller so this actually is very comfortable.
Another great aspect of the controller is that it's completely programmable and the analog sliders at the top can be a variety of analog sticks or button inputs, I can actually have C-buttons with N64 emulation. Though there are some definite draw backs. The replacement for the D-pad, the left analog slider isn't as smooth as a regular D-Pad, though I prefer it over the Switch's face buttons. Also the basic analog setting for the sliders is pretty meh as well. It's much better if you use it as a mouse like joystick, a trackball essentially, as it's much more accurate for FPS games, still not as good as a mouse though.
As for other current controllers.
The PS4 controller isn't as comfortable to me as the PS3 controller, if anything I would like them to go back to the PS3 design with triggers similar to the Xbox controller and the hand grip of the PS4 controller, ditch the touchpad and light for the PS5.
The Switch is fairly comfortable with the included Joycon controller holder, although it's a bit small, and if you buy the Satisfy grip for handheld mode it's fairly comfortable. I still haven't bought a pro controller because they're so expensive, but I'm sure it'll be comparable to the Xbox or PS4 controllers.
I don't own an Xbox thanks to me owning a PC so I haven't had a chance to play with the Xbox One controller.
It’s nice to see a video about controllers and just having the word cheddar in the top right corner
Gamecube is the greatest console of all time
Probably true. Honestly all are great. Genesis, SNES, PlayStation, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, Saturn, PSP, Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3, GameCube, PSVita, they all have something wonderful to offer.
Nah.
It might have been the best controller upon it's release, but just about everything since is far better. The right analog stick isn't great, the D-pad is a joke, and only the right side has a shoulder button, which is in a really awkward position. So games specifically designed to the GameCube controllers strengths made it look like a great controller, but anything that required what I listed before showed how bad it was as a general purpose controller.
nintendo hates it and wont even recognize it exists even going so far as to say it is a smash controller not a gamecube controller