I think that’s the same for Europe, if so it’s not the reason. Talking to younger people, it’s seen as a thing for old men and an expensive toy. A car is a better and cheaper option in their eyes.
@@devonbikefilms minimum age to ride a moped is 14 in France and 15 in Spain plus in southern France and Spain the weather is more motorcycle friendly and they along with Italy have a much higher percentage of the population on two wheels from youngsters to the elderly, male and female. Motorcycles and especially scooters are far more mainstream forms of mobility.
The traditional route onto two wheels was a 50cc machine at 16, but that category has been obliterated by juiced-up ebikes. Why pay for a CBT, insurance and a helmet when you can just get an ebike? Also, today's Euro5 compliant 4-stroke 50cc models are underpowered and dangerous on many roads. So, yes, anyone who resists the lure of an ebike and actually perseveres with biking is going to run up against the UK's over-complex and increasingly out of date licencing regime. I've had a few people notice my scooter and ask what it takes to get a licence for one, and are utterly incredulous when I describe the process. it kills any nascent interest stone dead immediately. There is no universe where it makes sense for it to be harder to get a licence for a 125cc scooter than a three-ton Range Rover. And any small vehicle licensing system that requires five pages of flow charts to describe it (which is what the official DVSA guide consists of) is just completely unfit for purpose.
Agree and the cost, why would you bother, similar here in France but riders here start at 14 on a fifty, and a 125 at 16 so by the time they take their motorcycle test they know what they are doing, hence there being 3million active motorcyclist in France, and everybody is catered for, + used for daily transport not just a plaything at the weekends.
For city dwellers, or people who just want something to ride to the railway station each day an electric bicycle represents a fraction of the cost of a small motor cycle or scooter.
Around 45,000 motorcycle thefts in the UK annually. 20,000 in London alone. Police not treating theft seriously enough. Insurance goes up. Who can afford it?!
easier to police tweets and fakebook messages to gain stats for year end reporting, real crime such as bike theft and burglary is not important to them - it's just not
For new riders there are too many hoops to jump through. ( when I was 20 in 1968 I was a London Tube train driver with up to 1000 passengers on board) The state of road surfaces ( pot holes, lumps, bumps and stripped off tarmac ). The awful 2024 weather ( wet wet wet). Decreasing speed limits ( too many 60s down to 50 and 40) Government failing to appreciate the benefits of motorcycles over cars ( disproportionate road tax and lack of national availabilty of bus lanes.etc.) And lastly - after years of a failing economy and so many on minimum wages there just isn't the money out there to spend on motorcycles. Classic bike sales ( Triumph Bonnevilles and such ) are generated by wealthy pensioners ( like me) who have surplus cash but who only ride 3 to 4 thousand miles per year - if it's dry.
2:24 Very simple,no spare cash to buy them,the money is being taken out of the pay packet in direct taxation, but this is only just the beginning! Most were purchased on the Drip,and many are being repossessed at a alarming rate.
I honestly think the MOD 1 should be scrapped. If you can pass your CBT safely and satisfactorily, then you really only need to prove your road craft. I also think "Gig" riders shouldn't be allowed to ride on a CBT without Passing the Theory you can bet none of them check the commercial box when buying insurance.
I agree, the MOD1 should be scrapped. As long as they state compulsory training, the instructor will be able to judge if you are safe in the training pad and then the road, then the test should be just 1 test.
65. I have 4 bikes - 1 electric scooter 125 equivalent, RE 350 Meteor, 450 Guerrilla and a CF Moto 450MT all on one policy which was around £360 to £380 (I can’t remember the exact amount).
We have a testing system that actually is designed not to encourage people to pass their test, then we have expensive bikes and expensive insurance. Then we have inclement poor rainy weather which means everyone needs layers and layers of clothing. We may well have less motorcycle deaths than other countries but we should have more 50-110cc bikes with little or no testing.
I've just had my renewal quote from Carol Nash for my 2012 Royal Enfield 500 Bullet EFI and my 2000 Ducati 996, i'm 55 and paid £300 last year fully comp, this year £770. Absolutely ridiculous!! I'm taking my 996 off the road anyway this year so i am only insuring the Enfield this year so can't wait to find out how ridiculous i get quoted on that!!
Give Howdens (old A-plan) a call. I'm not sure if they do this but if you say you were recommended by Mark Whittington-Buckley, they may give a further discount...
Big bikes are now just too expensive, basically on a par with quite a good car, that is insane, how can it be justified?! Just a comparison with the materials in each, average car weighs around 1500kg, big bike around 250kg, and thats without considering complexity both in the respective vehicles and their manufacturing, just doesn't add up!! Then, the elephant in the room, servicing!! Bikes are now as complex as cars, with diagnostic equipment being essential to do anything, so many, if not most, owners are now at the mercy of dealers for servicing and repairs, and the cost of that is as much as a car. I bought a Triumph Speed 400 last June, and discovered two things that really pi55 me off. The first service is £200, for basically an inspection, oil change and software update!!!! On a 400cc bike!!!! Second, you cannot buy a workshop service manual, it is only available on monthly subscription from Triumph!!!! So really hoping that Haynes bring out a manual, because after the first service I won't be going back to a dealer. I've serviced, maintained and repaired my own bikes from when I started riding, back in the 70s, so I'm sure as hell not going to be bent over by a dealer now! So, imho, these and other cost issues, like insurance, riding gear, tyres, which are a stupid price, ved etc, are the things deterring new riders. I'm going to sound like aom (angry old man) now, but just on insurance, back in the 70s and 80s, I had a Norwich Union rider policy, covered all and any amount of your bikes, upto an agreed capacity limit, and it cost around £40!!! Now it costs almost that to make a policy amendment! Now you have to really want to ride bikes to justify the expense. I'm very fortunate that I've managed to collect around 20 machines of many type, from 50cc tó 1000cc, from classic to modern, so I'll ride until I'm physically incapable, but for new riders it's a big commitment and very difficult. One piece of advice, with the way the state behaves towards bikers, with increasingly aggregious legislation, join MAG, or the BMF, and a motorcycle club, because they are active in preventing restrictive, anti bike legislation. If you want to continue to ride bikes, do this.
Paradoxically, I thing good times and bad times (economically) can spur sales, just different ends of the spectrum. I think Europe had a fairly mild winter and that could assist sales a bit.
I had a 2005 SV650, 9 years NCD With 1 claim - £156 fully comp, not garaged Now got a 23 Triumph street 765R, same info -£1109 Some insurers wouldnt cover me
I think Triumphs increase is the great entry they have into the brand with introduction of the 400s. KTM deserve to be 100% down with how they treat the owners and staff. Glad to see Kawasaki constant but what about Suzuki? I would like to see Suzuki back but may be I am dreaming..
I live in Portugal … Bikes here are almost double the cost of the U.K. Insurance is also double (it’s very challenging to get fully comp) On the bright side there are 300 sunny days a year and you could leave your bike anywhere and it won’t be touched.
I live in a big city and use my 125 scooter to commute to the centre for work every day. At the moment there is free parking for motorcycles…however this year the council is looking to pedestrianise the centre and do away with all vehicle parking. If this happens I’ll have no choice but to sell my 125 and either buy an e-bike or take the bus. No consideration is made for scooters/motorcycles, we’re just lumped in with cars when it comes to traffic restrictions.
Done my CBT twice over the last 4 years, which is annoying when you see an untested, uninsured, unregistered, no tax required & no helmet E Bike overtake you - I've been driving cars for 30 years - can't be bothered doing my big bike test because i have to do the theory of which the nearest test center is 30 miles away - ridiculous, am i NOT classed as experienced!!??- but i would do the rider test as required if i could go straight to it. - it's got to be improved the problem is that the people governing it have absolutely no clue about RIDING MOTORBIKES i suspect.
Great video, THanks, Would be interesting to see how the sales of 2nd hand motorcycles are doing. Looking around flea bay, it appears you can get a lot of bang for your buck.
Mark great video, you can see why lexmoto are doing well, have you seen the new rx1 same as the sinnis terrain n mutt stravaig you reviewed but higher spec n £400 cheaper.
I definitely think insurance has a lot to do with it.. When I bought my zzr1400, brand new..it was £800, then it went down to £600, a neighbour let me use his garage and the cost was £200 . My neighbour moved, and with Bennets, it went up to 2k, as I went back to storing my bike in my backyard.. A year later , my insurance went up to 5k. Most wouldn't insure me. I had to devalue my bike to get any insurance offered. £650 I have 9 years of no claims (13yrs in reality) 57 yrs young..
Looking to learn to ride this year, and will be doing DAS to get my full license (I'm nearly 49). Never learned to drive so it will be my main mode of transport. I've been looking at various different makes and models for something that fits what I'd want, but insurance is absolutely nuts. I do appreciate that I'd be a new rider, but it's not like I'm young, dumb and full of... desire to ride like an idiot. Most of the quotes I'm getting are around or above a grand for third party, fire and theft. The cheapest I've found is strangely enough (at least to me) for a Honda Shadow Aero 750/VT750 which was 600. Comprehensive quotes tend to just make me laugh out loud. If I were in a position to start on something lower cc that would probably help, but my financial situation means I have to try and buy with some room for growth as a rider, or just something that I'd be likely to have for a few years without getting bored, like the Shadow 750. The experience is very 😮💨
Full comp is not what it used to be…historically it covered EVERYTHING from kit to personal injury etc etc…nowerdays they want more£££ as additions…read small print……good luck…👍
The sales increase in predominantly better weather countries and without silly hoops to jump through for your licence. Triumph sales increase is down to their successful 400 range. Only people of a certain age and surplus cash by BMWs. You are totally correct that motorcycles are pretty much a toy to most people. Hence, they wouldn't buy an over 1 litre bike for the extra cost of the bike, tax,insurance etc. Plus, the crappy roads and a zillion cameras with reduced speed limits are making drivers drive constantly panicking and not actually looking out for road users.. rant over. For reference, I have a multi bike policy for my Honda NC750x and Enfield classic. I'm 48 with 9 years plus no claims and it's £200 so has actually gone down by 4 quid...
My renewal quote arrived for my cfmoto 700cl-x adventure arrived a couple of weeks ago. I'm 67, with over 9 years no claims. They wanted £580 fully comp. I obviously said no. After shopping around, the best price I could get was £340. As I'm now on state pension, I don't know how much longer I'll be able to afford to keep running a bike 😔
You also have to consider the geographic coverage of dealers no Honda dealer within 30 miles no Yamaha same KTM easier to list ones we have Suzuki Triumpgh Piaggio very thin on the ground.
I’m not sure that the percentage rises and falls tell the whole story. For the past 38 years I have lived in Germany and France. When I watch TH-cam videos about U.K. bikes touring Europe or I pass through an area where British bikers go I’m always surprised by how new all the U.K. registered bikes seem to be. That’s just not the case with bikes in Germany and France, yes, there are new bikes on the road but there doesn’t seem to the need or desire to change your bike every two or three years. It’s hard to compare different countries but to make sense if your data we need to know the volume of sales, the percentage falls in France and Germany might seem to be a similar pattern to the fall in the U.K. but in volume terms the loss of trade in the U.K. might have two or three times the value of the other countries. 3% of 100,000 is a lot more than 3% of 25,000. Percentage gains and falls don’t give an accurate picture.
Less young people are interested in entering the motorcycle world and do not have the means to get into higher categories. I found it quite expensive even using the direct entry route as lessons were 3 hour blocks and the first part of the test is easy to fail so for me I estimated as an experienced motorist I spent around £1k but as I have the resource not too bad but younger folk it's a big expense. Then insurance they can barely stretch to get th bike they want then the insurance is painful.
I do think the big bike have got to expensive for allot of people to want to Cheney for the newer model, as a young rider you really need to want to jump through all the hoops to have to do it again at 19. Demographic is getting older and now starting to downsize from the big heavy bikes, and the battle with insurance each year, if you only ride 2 to 3k a year it’s getting very expensive overall.
Im 40 had my license 10years i have 0 no claims because i stopped riding for 5 years and lost them . I have a k3 gsxr1000 on 3ed party and pay 500 a year and i recently just got myself a 2012 bmws1000rr that i pay 1600 fullcomp. I don't understand why the bmw is 1100pounds more .
(outside of chinese brands) New Motorcycles are simply no longer an affordable form of travel. Electric bicycles and the small electric scooters are, although ironically the small electric scooters are banned from public use, out side the monopolised council ones. Lets face it peoples are being screwed every which way the government can. Newer motorcycles are overpriced/unaffordable, and electric motorcikes quite frankly are a joke, No matter what you say about Electric Motorcycles just tell me the price, and I rest my case.
Straight from the mouth of n.american ktm boss Joh Hinz (who are a different firm to the ktm ag that we know), he says that their 1st stage of administration has gone extremely well and is super positive - haters gonna love that but hey.
The ridiculously complicated route to obtaining a full motorcycle licence compared to a car licence also plays a part is discouraging younger riders.
I think that’s the same for Europe, if so it’s not the reason. Talking to younger people, it’s seen as a thing for old men and an expensive toy. A car is a better and cheaper option in their eyes.
@@devonbikefilms minimum age to ride a moped is 14 in France and 15 in Spain plus in southern France and Spain the weather is more motorcycle friendly and they along with Italy have a much higher percentage of the population on two wheels from youngsters to the elderly, male and female. Motorcycles and especially scooters are far more mainstream forms of mobility.
The traditional route onto two wheels was a 50cc machine at 16, but that category has been obliterated by juiced-up ebikes. Why pay for a CBT, insurance and a helmet when you can just get an ebike? Also, today's Euro5 compliant 4-stroke 50cc models are underpowered and dangerous on many roads.
So, yes, anyone who resists the lure of an ebike and actually perseveres with biking is going to run up against the UK's over-complex and increasingly out of date licencing regime. I've had a few people notice my scooter and ask what it takes to get a licence for one, and are utterly incredulous when I describe the process. it kills any nascent interest stone dead immediately.
There is no universe where it makes sense for it to be harder to get a licence for a 125cc scooter than a three-ton Range Rover. And any small vehicle licensing system that requires five pages of flow charts to describe it (which is what the official DVSA guide consists of) is just completely unfit for purpose.
I think cost plays a big part too I passed my full test in October I did the DAS and CBT to Full licence was about £900
Agree and the cost, why would you bother, similar here in France but riders here start at 14 on a fifty, and a 125 at 16 so by the time they take their motorcycle test they know what they are doing, hence there being 3million active motorcyclist in France, and everybody is catered for, + used for daily transport not just a plaything at the weekends.
For city dwellers, or people who just want something to ride to the railway station each day an electric bicycle represents a fraction of the cost of a small motor cycle or scooter.
Around 45,000 motorcycle thefts in the UK annually.
20,000 in London alone.
Police not treating theft seriously enough.
Insurance goes up.
Who can afford it?!
easier to police tweets and fakebook messages to gain stats for year end reporting, real crime such as bike theft and burglary is not important to them - it's just not
For new riders there are too many hoops to jump through. ( when I was 20 in 1968 I was a London Tube train driver with up to 1000 passengers on board) The state of road surfaces ( pot holes, lumps, bumps and stripped off tarmac ). The awful 2024 weather ( wet wet wet). Decreasing speed limits ( too many 60s down to 50 and 40) Government failing to appreciate the benefits of motorcycles over cars ( disproportionate road tax and lack of national availabilty of bus lanes.etc.) And lastly - after years of a failing economy and so many on minimum wages there just isn't the money out there to spend on motorcycles. Classic bike sales ( Triumph Bonnevilles and such ) are generated by wealthy pensioners ( like me) who have surplus cash but who only ride 3 to 4 thousand miles per year - if it's dry.
There was a debate about us using all Bus Lanes at all times and it was rejected so our safety is not a big priority
2:24 Very simple,no spare cash to buy them,the money is being taken out of the pay packet in direct taxation, but this is only just the beginning!
Most were purchased on the Drip,and many are being repossessed at a alarming rate.
60yo, 17 plate Tracer 7, fully comp, garaged and full no claims £85
92 750 GSXR sub £100.TPFT though. I'm 56
I honestly think the MOD 1 should be scrapped. If you can pass your CBT safely and satisfactorily, then you really only need to prove your road craft. I also think "Gig" riders shouldn't be allowed to ride on a CBT without Passing the Theory you can bet none of them check the commercial box when buying insurance.
I agree, the MOD1 should be scrapped. As long as they state compulsory training, the instructor will be able to judge if you are safe in the training pad and then the road, then the test should be just 1 test.
Yes you are essentially doing mod 1 controls on your mod 2 anyway its just a cash cow
65. I have 4 bikes - 1 electric scooter 125 equivalent, RE 350 Meteor, 450 Guerrilla and a CF Moto 450MT all on one policy which was around £360 to £380 (I can’t remember the exact amount).
i have 2 bikes and want to put them on one policy, would you mind telling me who you used to do this - thanks.
@ I’m currently insured with Bikesure, hope that helps.
The unnecessary long winded and convoluted bike license is putting many off.
We have a testing system that actually is designed not to encourage people to pass their test, then we have expensive bikes and expensive insurance. Then we have inclement poor rainy weather which means everyone needs layers and layers of clothing. We may well have less motorcycle deaths than other countries but we should have more 50-110cc bikes with little or no testing.
I've just had my renewal quote from Carol Nash for my 2012 Royal Enfield 500 Bullet EFI and my 2000 Ducati 996, i'm 55 and paid £300 last year fully comp, this year £770. Absolutely ridiculous!! I'm taking my 996 off the road anyway this year so i am only insuring the Enfield this year so can't wait to find out how ridiculous i get quoted on that!!
Give Howdens (old A-plan) a call. I'm not sure if they do this but if you say you were recommended by Mark Whittington-Buckley, they may give a further discount...
Big bikes are now just too expensive, basically on a par with quite a good car, that is insane, how can it be justified?! Just a comparison with the materials in each, average car weighs around 1500kg, big bike around 250kg, and thats without considering complexity both in the respective vehicles and their manufacturing, just doesn't add up!! Then, the elephant in the room, servicing!! Bikes are now as complex as cars, with diagnostic equipment being essential to do anything, so many, if not most, owners are now at the mercy of dealers for servicing and repairs, and the cost of that is as much as a car. I bought a Triumph Speed 400 last June, and discovered two things that really pi55 me off. The first service is £200, for basically an inspection, oil change and software update!!!! On a 400cc bike!!!! Second, you cannot buy a workshop service manual, it is only available on monthly subscription from Triumph!!!! So really hoping that Haynes bring out a manual, because after the first service I won't be going back to a dealer. I've serviced, maintained and repaired my own bikes from when I started riding, back in the 70s, so I'm sure as hell not going to be bent over by a dealer now! So, imho, these and other cost issues, like insurance, riding gear, tyres, which are a stupid price, ved etc, are the things deterring new riders. I'm going to sound like aom (angry old man) now, but just on insurance, back in the 70s and 80s, I had a Norwich Union rider policy, covered all and any amount of your bikes, upto an agreed capacity limit, and it cost around £40!!! Now it costs almost that to make a policy amendment! Now you have to really want to ride bikes to justify the expense. I'm very fortunate that I've managed to collect around 20 machines of many type, from 50cc tó 1000cc, from classic to modern, so I'll ride until I'm physically incapable, but for new riders it's a big commitment and very difficult. One piece of advice, with the way the state behaves towards bikers, with increasingly aggregious legislation, join MAG, or the BMF, and a motorcycle club, because they are active in preventing restrictive, anti bike legislation. If you want to continue to ride bikes, do this.
Paradoxically, I thing good times and bad times (economically) can spur sales, just different ends of the spectrum.
I think Europe had a fairly mild winter and that could assist sales a bit.
I had a 2005 SV650, 9 years NCD With 1 claim - £156 fully comp, not garaged
Now got a 23 Triumph street 765R, same info -£1109
Some insurers wouldnt cover me
@paulladbrook6121 Wow, that is crazy. Perhaps the power and nickability puts it in such a higher insurance group. Sad indeed.
@motorsforthemasses As 1 insurers said "highly desirable bike, no garage game over" Actual words
I think Triumphs increase is the great entry they have into the brand with introduction of the 400s. KTM deserve to be 100% down with how they treat the owners and staff. Glad to see Kawasaki constant but what about Suzuki? I would like to see Suzuki back but may be I am dreaming..
@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST Yes, I think those 400's were a superb move for Triumph.
I live in Portugal … Bikes here are almost double the cost of the U.K.
Insurance is also double (it’s very challenging to get fully comp)
On the bright side there are 300 sunny days a year and you could leave your bike anywhere and it won’t be touched.
I live in a big city and use my 125 scooter to commute to the centre for work every day. At the moment there is free parking for motorcycles…however this year the council is looking to pedestrianise the centre and do away with all vehicle parking. If this happens I’ll have no choice but to sell my 125 and either buy an e-bike or take the bus. No consideration is made for scooters/motorcycles, we’re just lumped in with cars when it comes to traffic restrictions.
Done my CBT twice over the last 4 years, which is annoying when you see an untested, uninsured, unregistered, no tax required & no helmet E Bike overtake you - I've been driving cars for 30 years - can't be bothered doing my big bike test because i have to do the theory of which the nearest test center is 30 miles away - ridiculous, am i NOT classed as experienced!!??- but i would do the rider test as required if i could go straight to it. - it's got to be improved the problem is that the people governing it have absolutely no clue about RIDING MOTORBIKES i suspect.
Did not know that Turkey were or are in Europe.
Well parts of it are in Europe, parts in Asia.
Part o& Turkey is and always has been geographically in Europe.
Great video, THanks, Would be interesting to see how the sales of 2nd hand motorcycles are doing. Looking around flea bay, it appears you can get a lot of bang for your buck.
Your spot on with the electric peddle bikes there just more cost effective for the commute
Great Dr Who collection behind you 👍
Mark great video, you can see why lexmoto are doing well, have you seen the new rx1 same as the sinnis terrain n mutt stravaig you reviewed but higher spec n £400 cheaper.
I definitely think insurance has a lot to do with it..
When I bought my zzr1400, brand new..it was £800, then it went down to £600, a neighbour let me use his garage and the cost was £200 . My neighbour moved, and with Bennets, it went up to 2k, as I went back to storing my bike in my backyard..
A year later , my insurance went up to 5k. Most wouldn't insure me.
I had to devalue my bike to get any insurance offered. £650
I have 9 years of no claims (13yrs in reality)
57 yrs young..
Looking to learn to ride this year, and will be doing DAS to get my full license (I'm nearly 49). Never learned to drive so it will be my main mode of transport. I've been looking at various different makes and models for something that fits what I'd want, but insurance is absolutely nuts. I do appreciate that I'd be a new rider, but it's not like I'm young, dumb and full of... desire to ride like an idiot. Most of the quotes I'm getting are around or above a grand for third party, fire and theft. The cheapest I've found is strangely enough (at least to me) for a Honda Shadow Aero 750/VT750 which was 600. Comprehensive quotes tend to just make me laugh out loud. If I were in a position to start on something lower cc that would probably help, but my financial situation means I have to try and buy with some room for growth as a rider, or just something that I'd be likely to have for a few years without getting bored, like the Shadow 750. The experience is very 😮💨
Full comp is not what it used to be…historically it covered EVERYTHING from kit to personal injury etc etc…nowerdays they want more£££ as additions…read small print……good luck…👍
The sales increase in predominantly better weather countries and without silly hoops to jump through for your licence. Triumph sales increase is down to their successful 400 range. Only people of a certain age and surplus cash by BMWs. You are totally correct that motorcycles are pretty much a toy to most people. Hence, they wouldn't buy an over 1 litre bike for the extra cost of the bike, tax,insurance etc. Plus, the crappy roads and a zillion cameras with reduced speed limits are making drivers drive constantly panicking and not actually looking out for road users.. rant over. For reference, I have a multi bike policy for my Honda NC750x and Enfield classic. I'm 48 with 9 years plus no claims and it's £200 so has actually gone down by 4 quid...
My renewal quote arrived for my cfmoto 700cl-x adventure arrived a couple of weeks ago. I'm 67, with over 9 years no claims. They wanted £580 fully comp. I obviously said no. After shopping around, the best price I could get was £340. As I'm now on state pension, I don't know how much longer I'll be able to afford to keep running a bike 😔
Are there any figures on USED bike sales?
Thanks Mark
Fascinating video.
Australia for insurance is a complete rip-off.
Vehicle registration is another rip-off.
It's got to be the Triumph 400 for their 25% sales increase 👍
You also have to consider the geographic coverage of dealers no Honda dealer within 30 miles no Yamaha same KTM easier to list ones we have Suzuki Triumpgh Piaggio very thin on the ground.
I’m not sure that the percentage rises and falls tell the whole story. For the past 38 years I have lived in Germany and France. When I watch TH-cam videos about U.K. bikes touring Europe or I pass through an area where British bikers go I’m always surprised by how new all the U.K. registered bikes seem to be. That’s just not the case with bikes in Germany and France, yes, there are new bikes on the road but there doesn’t seem to the need or desire to change your bike every two or three years. It’s hard to compare different countries but to make sense if your data we need to know the volume of sales, the percentage falls in France and Germany might seem to be a similar pattern to the fall in the U.K. but in volume terms the loss of trade in the U.K. might have two or three times the value of the other countries. 3% of 100,000 is a lot more than 3% of 25,000. Percentage gains and falls don’t give an accurate picture.
Less young people are interested in entering the motorcycle world and do not have the means to get into higher categories.
I found it quite expensive even using the direct entry route as lessons were 3 hour blocks and the first part of the test is easy to fail so for me I estimated as an experienced motorist I spent around £1k but as I have the resource not too bad but younger folk it's a big expense.
Then insurance they can barely stretch to get th bike they want then the insurance is painful.
my insurance for My 125 last year as a new learner rider age 50+ Is 800. But car insurance is only 250
Howden is the new name for A-Plan.
I do think the big bike have got to expensive for allot of people to want to Cheney for the newer model, as a young rider you really need to want to jump through all the hoops to have to do it again at 19. Demographic is getting older and now starting to downsize from the big heavy bikes, and the battle with insurance each year, if you only ride 2 to 3k a year it’s getting very expensive overall.
i'm 48 and ride a ktm excf500 , 265 this year , same the last 2 years give or take a few quid
FYI people -2% is recession.
poverty aging demographic's weather other road users state of roads which is why i would like an adventure bike to soak up the poor road conditions
Im 40 had my license 10years i have 0 no claims because i stopped riding for 5 years and lost them . I have a k3 gsxr1000 on 3ed party and pay 500 a year and i recently just got myself a 2012 bmws1000rr that i pay 1600 fullcomp. I don't understand why the bmw is 1100pounds more .
Because is a 200 mph super bike and you’ve got little no claims. Just a thought😂
@devonbikefilms the gsxr will do 186mph the bmw will do 194mph . Not really much in it mate and the gsxt would do 190+ if it wasn't limited to 186
im 20 paying £1300 for a royal Enfield GT 650
Age 62
BMW R18
YAMAHA 1200 Super Tenere
VESPA gts300
£347 fully comp for all 3.
ONLY advantage of being an old git !
Absolutely!
(outside of chinese brands) New Motorcycles are simply no longer an affordable form of travel. Electric bicycles and the small electric scooters are, although ironically the small electric scooters are banned from public use, out side the monopolised council ones. Lets face it peoples are being screwed every which way the government can. Newer motorcycles are overpriced/unaffordable, and electric motorcikes quite frankly are a joke, No matter what you say about Electric Motorcycles just tell me the price, and I rest my case.
Yes, I tried to avoid myself talking about the Government...I might not stop lol.
Straight from the mouth of n.american ktm boss Joh Hinz (who are a different firm to the ktm ag that we know), he says that their 1st stage of administration has gone extremely well and is super positive - haters gonna love that but hey.