How to Joint Large Slabs | Live Edge Dining Room Table Build
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The Day has come to join together the two slabs and make one table top. the two slabs of oak are book matched and around 200 lb each. it was a lot of fun figuring out how to join these two together.
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The Dutch shoes! Geweldig!
Many thanks to the ladies in our lives.
Oh ya!
Beautiful job! Wow!
That is a big'ol table! Looks good.👍
You are phenomenonal, amazing work!
That’s an amazing project. I’m really looking forward to seeing it in your house. Remember to video your first party and everyone’s reactions when they see it. Wish I lived closed soI could help to get it upstairs.
Thanks man. It will be fun.
That is going to be a beast of a table. I think it might have been easier to build the table in an empty lot and then build a house around it!
LOL. Sounds about right
Every great guy has a greater woman helping him!
So true!
Gonna be amazing when it's done! 👍👊
I am so looking forward to the first dinner party
So if you carve the teeth and nose into it you'll have a punisher skull table :) ...with kind of a Groot shaped head. Beautiful table and work though seriously. I have some slabs but I want a smaller table then the one we already have. I was thinking of jointing them together with the method I've seen for preventing splits from widening, but I"m pretty new to this. Thanks for sharing :)
If you want any help with it send me an email I'll be glad to help any way I can. Sounds like a fun project.
So cool James. It's coming together. It looks awesome. :)
thanks man!
YES!!! You broke out that Stanley No. 8!!! That's a rare opportunity to pull that beast of a bench plane out and use!!! It will be interesting to see the final finish on that table top....
LOL yup. I love when I get the chance to use it, it was almost too small for this job.
I am doing a super similar job a little bit bigger at 103inches long, 48-64" wide and 2"thick.
Excellent video!!
thnaks Michael!
Gorgeous countertop!
It would be.
You're strong, man! This wood must be heavy. 💪
Great work, James!
LOL yup. over 200LB each.
I need to increase the weight of my dumbbells!
Hello James! This piece of wood is huge as a house. You really are cool ... :)
LOL thanks man. it is a beast!
You beast, moving the slabs solo
So cool James!! Idea: you could put some lights under the epoxy sections that shine up through. Might look cool. :)
thanks. i am going to experiment with that for a night light. especially the deep cavern parts.
Great information video!!
Thanks!
Hope are going to be able to get it out of your work shop. That's huge!
Yup. 4 friends and 5 minutes it will be fairly easy. Easer then taking the bench up the stairs by myself last year.
Looks like tons of fun, James!! I’m so happy that it is you and not me!!
Lol it is fun!
So freaking awesome!!!!!
Thanks Thom. so looking forward to having this upstairs.
Wood By Wright Not going to be fun getting it there but will be sooooo worth it. If I lived closer I’d be there to help and to see it in person.
Awesome, sir.
Thanks Bob.
A couple of small LEDs under the end of the table with epoxy would really make that epoxy shine !
That is the plan. I have a few fun ideas for that!
That is a great project. It is nice that your bride made a guest appearance in the video.
I love having her in the shop. we might have to do a project together some time.
I look forward to seeing how well you work together.
Just for the kid in all of us have you thought of embedding a tiny plastic fish in the epoxy? Imagine a young guest discovering it during dinner.
LOL yup. I almost put a tinny boat down on the lake but not this time.
That's a great Idea!
Good on her, your wife!
Looks great! Can you put a light under the table where the epoxy fills are so we can see through the table...to see through the clear blue areas?
I'm going to experiment with that should become interesting to see how it comes out.
I damn love it, doing a much smaller version, but now I wish mine was bigger!!! hahaha (that sort of sounds inappropriate!) Keep up the great work and presentation.
LOL. Thanks man.
Some place a woosie like me can never go. LOL! Nice!
LOL
thank you
My pleasure.
It occurred to me that there was some great advice for life that you gave: just keep focusing on the high spots!
Lol yes it is.
A massive table and a fun journey to follow. One question that might have been addressed elsewhere. Well two, how are you going to get it out of the basement and is the final destination your dining room?
thnaks. yup. 4 guys and about 5 minutes and it goes straight up the stairs. I have gotten my 8' long bench up the stairs by my self, this will be a bit easier.
Jesus dude! Yanno a shop crane is still technically a hand-tool, right?
With You and Matt, we dont need a gym membership.....LOL....mite need to call a few extra's when you are ready to flip it...have a great extended weekend...
LOL I need to get a forklift in the shop.
That slab makes the no8 look like a no4!
LOL yup. it was almost too small for this one!
Hope you can get it out of the basement to the dining room. Might take a few friends
Yup. 4 friends and 5 minutes it will be fairly easy. Easer then taking the bench up the stairs by myself last year.
Hi James. Awesome table. I love watching this come together and thank you for showing when things don't go as planned such as the epoxy leak. One possibly silly question, how did you get the spilled epoxy off your floor or did you just decide to smooth it a bit and leave it?
Thanks man. I do not have any plans to take the epoxy off the floor right now. If it becomes a problem in the future I will send it off with a belt sander. But it is fairly runny and created a relatively smooth surface even though it does not look like it in picture.
Farm Strong!
LOL yup
When done that’s going to be a beast, any thoughts how to get it out of the shop?
4 guys and 5 minutes and it will go up easily. I got my 8' long bench up there by myself. this will be a lot easier.
Hi Matthew, Great job with this live wood project. I noticed you did not biscuit or towel the joint, just wood glue. Any reason why it is not necessary to make the joint stronger with a biscuit or towel
Now that is an interesting topic. It is actually a myth that Biscuits make the joint stronger. They surprisingly make it a slight bit weaker. The glue needs clamping pressure to set properly and there is not sufficient enough pressure in the biscuit to do that. Dowels if they are extremely tight can strengthen the joint slightly, but in most all cases there is no need for that. The glue is way more then you need. For hundreds of years that was the way it was done. just a good joint and glue. If it is done right the glue joint will be stronger then the wood around it. the wood around it will break before the wood fails. the reason for biscuits is alignment. that came about due to power planers. and with a power planer you bring it to final thickness before clamping. you need perfect alignment. with hand tools you get it close then glue up and plane it when it is all together so alignment is not a problem. But if you are getting your thickness from a power planer it can no longer go through the thicknesser as it is too wide. hope that makes sense. I need to do a video on this one some time!
Before I even watch this (so expect follow up comments lol) but dude you are going to have to Gilbert Grape that thing out of the basement!
LOL 4 guys and 5 minutes and it will go up easily. I got my 8' long bench up there by myself. this will be a lot easier.
Lovely!! So thankful for a short daughter in law! 😂🤣😂😂
LOL yup she comes in very handy!
He didn't show all the stuff I had to climb under and over. It was definitely a tight squeeze!
Wow! What a work out. No need for the gym that day.
LOL. I wish it was that easy
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I am waiting for the fork lift comment!
Wood By Wright they'll be over as soon as they're done with me
Definitely a cool build. How did u deal w the epoxy that leaked on your floor?
Thanks. I will just leave it. It is really thin so not that much of a problem.
Can I use miter bolts to join slabs? Will that eliminate having to use clamps?
Beautiful table! Is glue strong enough to join these two huge slabs together? Or do you rely on the legs to bear a lot of the weight? Thanks
thanks. Glue is far more the strong enough. contrary to popular belief biscuits and splines actually weaken the joint with PVA glue. They are there for alinement when you plane prior to glue up.
Looking thin friend. Healthy I'm sure. Love your videos. If you will allow me to make a suggestion. If you add rubber or something to the bottom of your wooden shoes. I noticed you slid around
Thanks Jason. LOL where would be the fun in that. it is far more annoying in video than in person. I use to have leather on the bottom fro that but it is not worth the time to put more back on.
Love this ! Can a table be technically intentionally split with a tiny fissure in the middle? Does it need to be joint either with glue or epoxy? Just curious because I would love a gap/split design.
Thank youuuuu!!
You can make it with a split. It all depends on how you design it.
Does just the glue hold up well? Say if someone was sitting or leaning on the table every now would you see any separation? I'm about to start join two slabs like this and was thinking I would need dowels to hold it together
The glue straight joint is actually one of the strongest in this particular application. Especially with a large face as long as there is a good joint between the two it is incredibly strong. Using biscuits and dowels will actually weaken the joint because there is no clamping pressure on them. Biscuits and dowels are used to line up the glue up so that you have to do less plaining or smoothing afterwards.
Well James I think the burning question after the big test is..... which glue did you use and why??? :)
Tite bond II it is more than strong enough, and I can buy it by the gallon!
Cool video. I use a TruTrac guide for a large skill saw. Cut each slabs edge and then butt them together and do a single cut down the middle. That gives you mirror images and they go together perfectly. A lot quicker!
Cheers.
Great vid James, is the glue strong enough to hold this together without biscuits? I’m about to start a similar process with similarly thick wood, but it will be seven boards 9 feet long 7 inches by 3inches, would glue alone be strong enough to keep my tabletop together? What glue you using here?
the glue by itself is about as strong as it gets. oddly enough Biscuits make the joint weaker as there is no pressure in there to get the wood glue to full strength. they are there to make alinement easer when you thickness plane before gluing together. The glue by itself will be fat stronger then the wood around it.
Harbor Freight to the rescue!
oh ya!
Beautiful table. Forgive me if you have mentioned it in a previous video but is this for yourself, a commission or speculation? Thanks for all you do.
thaks Russell this is for me. I do not sell what I make.
Is that glue really enough to hold those two pieces together or will there be a frame underneath attached across the two?
there is a frame it sits on, but that is all that is holding them together. don't need anything else. that is the way it has been done for hundreds of years. biskets and dominoes are a new thing that makes alignment easier. they really do not ad any strength.
How are those wooden shoes for grip? You look like you were sliding a bit,which raises a safety concern. They look awesome by the way
they are fine as long as you did not spill epoxy on the floor! LOL
This table is huge and looks like it will be a really great piece that will be passed on from generation to generation. I am just starting to really get into furniture design and I picked up a (MUCH smaller) log that I'm going to split and mill and turn into a little coffee table. My question was about the technique for joining the slabs. I see in the comments you said all you used was Titebond and that biscuits, splines, dominos, etc. are purely for alignment. So is it just assumed that glue will hold and the base will provide the necessary support to maintain the tabletop and no additional joinery is required? Sorry for the long question newbie trying learn along the way thanks!
Thanks man. Yes. Splines and biscuits really do not add much strangth. In truth on most all woods the glue is stronger than the wood. Especially with a slab where there is such a large joining surface.
Wood By Wright whoa ok good to know I was googling how join big slabs and getting all kinds of info thanks for the direct answer and all your great videos!
My pleasure. any time!
where is the next video where you sand it, etc before finish?
You can see the whole build series here th-cam.com/play/PLAbayqjimalHU2GXbsZm12qym1Z1pHZNM.html
Wow what a huge build!! I know it will be beautiful when your done. I may have missed it but is this for yourself or a commissioned piece?
Thanks. It is for my wife. I have been promising it for years.
Wood By Wright Well how lucky she is. I know it will be beautiful when it’s done and I’ll be following along on the journey. Thanks for sharing James.
This might be a dumb question, but wouldn't it be possible to joint the edge with a tracksaw?
You could get it pretty close with the tracks off. But it wouldn't be close enough for actual jointing. Not unless everything was set up on it within an inch of its life. And even then, I probably wouldn't trust it for the final fitting.
Hi. Beginner woodworker here. Local lumber yard had a super sale on 2” canary slabs I was wanting to do exactly what you did here and combine them. I just have a quick question. How come you didn’t use biscuits or bowties? Thanks!
Biscuits or dowels really do not add any strength to the joint at all. They are there for lining up joints that have already been planed so that you can guarantee you'll get the two edges closer together. If you're planning on running the slabs through a planner then you will want to make sure the top edges are flush. So people use biscuits to make sure they can keep those aligned during the glue up. It is a misconception that they add strength to the joint.
Wood By Wright ahhhhh! Thanks for responding! Happy new year!
would using a tray of glue and a foam roller work better to glue the slabs?
It would work, but better is a personal preference.
Mario Batali called... he wants his Crocs back. 🤦🏻♂️
Lol he wishes he had clogs like mine.
Does wood glue hold the wood better than epoxy?
Both will hold stronger than the wood itself. So if it breaks it will break better than the glue joint. Epoxy is better at wet conditions so if this were to be outside then I would use epoxy.
When you joined the 2 slab together, you didnt need any dowels or biscuit jointers?
no those are just for alignment. they do not add ant strength to the joint. if you are going to flatten the whole thing after then there is no need to fine alignment.
Do you use Pittsburgh clamps, or are they from somewhere else?
Yup those are them.
Nice work! great videos.! Did you connect those 2 heavy pieces together by just using glue??? Im pretty new to wood working.
thanks. yes. glue is all that is needed. biskets and splines are just there for alignment and provide little or no strength. though many will claim otherwise.
@@WoodByWright I was going to ask the same Question . Its realy hard to imagin that this tiny ammount of glue is enought to hold boars of this size with that little surfacearea together.
@@demacherius1 I’m going to disagree and say a 1/2” hardwood dowel every foot would strengthen the joint tremendously, not for pulling apart but for shear. Once you put a base on it you don’t care, but until then it could split from mishandling. I would also do it if the base did not span the joint for any reason (that would be unusual). Otherwise he is correct that biscuits and splines are for alignment during glue up.
One other thing is using a smooth small roller will make the gluing go way faster and more even.
Yes what would you charge for a table like that for my dinning room
Sorry I don't sell what I make. The time I put into this with all hand tools makes it too expensive.
crocs with socks lol
Got to love hand made wooden clogs
@@WoodByWright i didn't realize you made those, that makes it even better!
How are those clogs on that fresh epoxy floor?
Better then the concrete
Hi James,
New to the channel and really enjoying what I'm seeing.... Just curious so you just did a straight glue up of the two pieces together not any Dominos?......
Thanks for your response 😀👍
Yes. Dominoes and biscuits actually will weekend the joint with normal PVA glue. Contrary to popular belief they are just there for aliment. With power tools you can not run wide panels through the planer after glue up so aliment is key, but with hand tools you can plane any thickness after glue up. So no need for them. With a proper glue up there is no need for anything in the joint.
OK.. So I'm assuming you used tight bond 3? Or something Elese?
I use TiteBond 2 on this one. So after my most recent glue test I have switched over to using Elmer's wood glue Max.
@@WoodByWright
Well I appreciate your time.... Are there any Good Books you would recommend. It's amazing to me just how much you can accomplish with a handful of hand tools... I definitely like the idea of NOT having saw dust blow all over the place. Thanks again for your response 😀
Alternative title, making a large joint.
Lol nice!
Is the glue strong enough to hold these two pieces together?
Yes. On any good join up all you need is glue. Dowels and biscuits actually make the joint weaker. With their main purpose is providing alignment. so that you can plain the boards to thickness individually and then glue them together. However with hand planning it doesn't matter how wide the board is you can glue it together and plane it afterward. But if the joint is good and the glue is decent and there's enough clamping pressure. then the glue joint is actually stronger than the surrounding wood. Even decades into the future
@@WoodByWright thanks for the prompt reply mate. I am amazed by your craftsmanship and have subscribed to your channel.
Robert
Only glue to join the slabs?
yup. no need for anything more. splines and biscuits do not strengthen the joint. they only make it easier to get a flat surface when done. Traditionally nothing else is used except for a few odd cases.
Are those wooden shoes? Did you make them?
Thanks. I carved them from blanks, but best shop shoes you could have extreamly comfortable and protective.
What glue do you use?
For that one it was Titebond 2.
How did you remove all of the excess epoxy from the underside?
I probably won't. it is just a thin coating and it is my tradition to leave the underside of tables rough to show how they were made, this will just be one more story the table can tell.
No. I meant from when you had the big leak and there was a ton of epoxy showing.
So, no dowels, biscuits, pins, or splines? Those are some big, big slabs for glue only. Please provide an update on how this turns out in a few years. Can't wait to see the progress on the build, hopefully the glue holds over time, or there ends up being some mechanical holding aspect of the leg system. Looks like it will be an absolutely beautiful, and quite large, family heirloom table.
I'm sure he'll add a few Butterflies/Bowties on whichever side is to be the bottom.
yup splines, pins, biscuits, and dominos are for alinement not strength. Historically glue was all that was used if the joint was done well. that and there will be no stress on the joint once on the base, and with that big of a well-maited surface, the wood will shatter along weaker points int he wood long before breaking on the glue joint even 50+ years from now.
I have not decided if I will ad any butterflies to the to the main joint. I might just do it for the look, but We will see.
I agree some butterflies on the bottom surface wouldnt be a bad idea but probably not completely necessary. As far as biscuits its a moot point since hes going to flatten the surface as a whole and come down enough to meet the epoxy which he said was 1/4" down.
Luke, no shoes ?
The #8 looks like a 5 or 6 and that table dont look as big as it is so that means you are 7 feet tall and 300 lbs ....lol 6'2.5" would be my guess
LOL yup it was just barely big enough for the work. I am 11'13"
those clogs comfortable? :)
very comfortable. they are carved exactly for my foot. I wear them every day most of the day. and to top it off they are protective.
Wood By Wright thats so cool i have russian bast shoes i need to wear them more
Two hundred pounds each? Are they lead filled?
Lol. 24"+ in width 2" thick and 11" long red oak then add the weight of the epoxy. And yup right about 200lb.
You didn't want to put biscuits? Were you not worried about it coming apart? thats a big heavy piece, I'm surprised you didn't have any other support than glue....maybe I'm wrong?
Biscuits are for alinement and provide little to no support. They are a newer invention brought on with the use of thickness planers. With a hand plane they really don't have that much use. And with the large surface area of this joint there really is no need for any other support. The wood will break long before the glue joint will.
How annoying is it slipping around in the clogs?
it is about the same as normal rubber shoes with wood curls on the concreet.
No dowels?
No. Contrary to popular belief that actually weekens the joint. They are useful for alignment though if you pre smooth the boards before joining. But if you plan to plane them after then it is not needed
Holy cow you're gonna need 8 men and a boy to move it! BTW did planing at that hight cause you any discomfort? Seemed an awkward position
thanks man. planing that high is a bit odd, but it was not a problem. you learn to work in odd situations.
I thought about that as well. but James is a Superman and can overcome any difficulties
First, take your helper out to lunch! she deserves it, that did not look easy.
Next, if you use a smaller bit in rougher you should get a better cut, less chatter and bit grab, Don't ask.
LOL thanks man.
*gets the table done
Jw: huh, how am I gonna get this out of the basement?
How’s the wood shoes traction on the epoxy floors?
Lol surprisingly the wooden shoes are pretty good on the wood floor. They have a much wider base and tend to hold on pretty well.
PUT LEATHER ON YOUR CLOGS. slipping around like ice skates man
I use to have leather on them, but when it eventually fell off I really did not notice enough of a difference to expend the time to put it back on. it more annoys the viewers then bothers me so it stays off for now.
Pardon my wood-working ignorance, but why exert all this extra effort to plane by hand both these slabs to make them level and clean, when you could simply have taken a straight-edge, established a line and cut it with a fine blade installed in a saw? Your joins would have been killer straight. don't get it.
thanks. there are a lot of crazy people that like to do things with hand tools as it is more fun, quieter and slower. it does not get there faster but I find it more enjoyable.
Lol, what's with the clogs?
Best shop shoes you can have.
The real question is how many burly dudes youre going to need to call on to get this bohemoth out of the basement.
Four. It'll take about 5 minutes to carry it upstairs. It will be a lot easier than taking the bench upstairs that I did last year
Dawg, you wearing wooden shoes?
Best shop shoes you can have. Extremely comfortable and protect the feet
Looking good so far. If the pieces are only 200lb you shouldn't have been struggling moving them James, you need to hit the gym.
LOL I am a runner. not a lifter.
James has organised a few .. no make that a lot of friends to come over and move it for him ;D
I see an ELECTRIC FAN in your shop. ELECTRIC! Where is Paul Jackman? Someone tell him to unsubscribe!
Lol what about the fans, and camera.
That’s not easy to do in clogs!
Lol there is a reason I wear them every day.
Yeah, not even close to 200 pounds each.
We ended up weighing the top before installing it. The whole top together weighed 431 lb.
Wood By Wright
Doubt it. Nice work. I’m 6’3” and strong as an ox. You can’t handle a 200lb+ slab like that. At one point you had most of the weight supported with one hand.
Lol I can lift well over 400 pounds in that manner. You might need to reconsider what other people can do. Come on over sometime and take it out for a test drive.
Wood By Wright
400 pounds with one hand? At first I thought you were bad at guesstimating. Turns out your’re delusional. 400 pounds 😂😂👍🏼
Had to shut'er down as soon as I saw the clogs. Sorry
Best shop shoes you could possibly ask for. Incredibly comfortable and protective.