At 17 it’s impressive this character can get some hits in on a post ROTS Palpatine something Grandmaster and Council Members like Yoda and Mace Windu can pull off it leaves you to wonder how powerful he could’ve got with age he would definitely ballin with the high rollers such as post NJO Grandmaster Luke Skywalker, Kyp Durron, Saba Sebatyne, Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo, Darth Krayt, Darius Vol, Sarasu Taalon, Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Reborn from Dark Empire at his peak, Vitiate/Valkorion and so on these are all characters non deity immortal beings in Lore that have a powerful raw connection to the Force demonstrated in their story narrative and feats and I believe had Galen Marek lived on he would easily without a question be up there.
I know I didn’t say that he would defeat him in battle or exceed him in power I’m just saying tier wise the aforementioned Force Users are the cream of the crop in SW Lore and Galen Marek had he lived longer could’ve been among the S Tier characters. Now my top 3 picks that isn’t Luke Skywalker, Vitiate or Dark Empire era Palpatine that would defeat Starkiller from how he is Kyp Durron probably a major stomp cause Kyp is able to match NJO Luke in a sparring match and is usually shown to be second to him incredibly OP natural raw connection with the Force, Darth Krayt(as he is introduced in either FOTJ Apocalypse or Legacy comics cause Darth Krayt Reborn stomps), and UnuThul.
I would think that Grand Master Luke, around the end of the Abeloth saga, could take on Starkiller. Overwhelming experience, true experience fighting the dark side, a master of all of the forms of lightsaber combat, yadayadayada. Luke could do it, but i dont think he could get away clean.
I just made that call myself. Of all potential opponents, I think Revan is the most obvious, and likely one of the few who would have a 9/10 to 10/10 probability of willing.
@jayt9608 because revan doesn't feats that put him with the strongest he is very powerful but I don't think he is as powerful as some of the ancient sith lords revan was frightened when he heard how powerful exar kun
Man I think this is an interesting discussion and a question that I’ve had myself and it’s great to see Stupendous bring us this long awaited video and great job Stupendous 100% couldn’t agree more and can’t wait for more discussions
Great vid!! What’re people’s thoughts on Mace Windu beating SK? I believe that with Shatterpoint Mace would be able to dissect SK, given his mental state and lack of structure or true form.
I think revan reborn makes the list. all lore suggests that he has either equal or more potential than starkiller. He has the skills and power to keep starkiller at bay while he uses his cunning strategic mind to think of a way to beat him. He also has far more battle experience and of eveyone he ever fought it took vitiate to beat him. As much as I hate the swtor story for revan, it took several powerhouses from both the sith and the jedi to kill only half of revan. definitely an extremely challenging fight, but I think revan takes the win.
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021no one is a match for vitiate. Only the mortis gods are above. Revan was the Anakin and vader of his day with all the knowledge of the dark and the light.
I feel like Suited Darth Vader only loses to Galen based on 2 facts. Firstly, Galen has a crazy powerful version of Force lightning thatv he can imbue into his saber. Secondly, and most importantly, Palpatine had Vader's suit specifically constructed to be vulnerable to force lightning to make him easier to control. That said, other characters that could best Starkiller would be Revan, Darth Sion, and Jedi Dooku.
that's something a lot of people don't understand about star wars dual as you said in this vid, it's not an abc kind of logic but more of a some things work for such while other works in different ways. Then it also comes with leverage of the situation that can be use and how skilled/ physically abled and experienced the duelist are. though im only just speaking on "who is stronger debates" situations since that's where you'd find so many misconceptions when reading different opinions
Wave, you and theory, and the archivist, need to be on the theory- wave podcast I love these debates, you and the archivist have.Anakin, if he hadn't hadn't had, the duel on mustafar.Then Dooku, bane .
That includes another Galen Marek clone on Kamino 😅 If you choose - Dark side ending - In the Force unleashed II game, another Galen clone kills the 1 you play Then Darth Vader says : I lied when i told you the cloning process had not been perfectee
I find it hilarious that Galen, who was trained by Vader, who defeated The Emperor, was horrified by Yoda! Then you proceeded to compare Yoda to Optimus Prime. I still think the Gandalf analogy is better but for actual combat I can definitely see Optimus in there. If this was a 15 character list I would probably put Grandmaster Luke Anakin {Full potential Ala Ashoka} Yoda Vitiate Revan Nihilus Malgus Darth Krayt The Exile Kreia Mace Windu Dooku The Jedi and Sith playable characters from SWTOR
To me, the idea of "unleashing the force" is a sole trope. SK held himself in check, or he would be akin to a heedless berserker and would not fight with strategy which is another power that is taken for granted. We also hear about the old Sith and the sheer power of them and SK, but where are they now? What is their legacy? Like that of a roman candle. This idea of SK is power fantasy that brings the likes of Punisher fans and the fantasy of the Übermensch. SK to me is more in the path of Mace Windu who sits even more in the balance of both the dark and the light sides. Nothing does more than skill, training, and most of all strategy over just raw power.
Yoda being what an whom IS would PROBABLY sense BOTH the Good an the Evil realize that Galen/Starkiller is either MORE Good or ONLY 'evil' more on the surface an basically half dual half star lt teaching an mentoring the young Uber Force user in much same way he REPEATEDLY was doing in the Lore back in the Clone Wars. With those like Anakin, Dooku and Ventress.
I can see my favorite character, legends Durge, being able to put up a pretty good fight against Starkiller, until he gets mad and turns Durge into a extremely compressed football of muscles, nerves, sure Durge would still be very much alive but pretty much unable to move a muscle 😅
Force unleashed 3 but u play as Vader after Galen captures him at the end of the second game. Goal is to escape the rebel base that you’re being held at and find and kill Galen. I’d play it
I also find it funny how they say Obi Wan would beat Star Killer when Star Killer literally killed force construct Obi-Wan in the first game’s dark story.
Sam Witwer said if force unleashed 3 was made it would have been revealed that Vader was toying with Galen and they would fight again and Galen would not stand a chance
I would argue that Revan certainly could take Starkiller, as could Darth Bane and Darth Zannah. Bane, even without orbalisk armor, is a tank and would likely break any of the defenses that Galen Marek could build. Revan has both grace and power with feats in the Force that rival or surpass anything that Galen did. As for Darth Zannah, she is not Galen's equal in combat, but her defenses are built specifically to counter a fighter like Marek. We see her hold off multiple opponents at once and successfully if barely, repel Bane at a full maddened rage and likely never more physically powerful. Additionally, her more powerful weapon aims directly at the worst of Galen's weak points, his mind. With her knowledge of Sith sorcery, Galen is vulnerable. While she does not have the feats of raw power like Bane, Revan, or Galen Marek, what she does have is far more than enough to stop Starkiller.
Kas'im, was that the blade master at the sith accademy when Bane was there? oh btw i think Banes aprentice would win to considering starkiller know nothing or basicly nothing about sith sorcery and she is higely proficent in that and she is a master of the defensive form. not THE master like obi wan but still A master of the form.
Starkiller had the potential to be Palpatine's equal. Anakin was supposed to be twice as powerful. Luke and Leia inherited that potential to a full (or almost full) degree. Yoda had hundreds of years of experience, and was an equal to Darth Sidious without even tapping to the darkside.
I would place Tulak Hord on the list. Starkiller was able to land a star destroyer, Hord throw them out of hyperspace. He is clearly above any Sith in lightsaber combat.
I always thought rage made you stronger he couldn't bw1 because he had sparred him so many times so he knew how to defend himself from his attacks perfectly.
Take the time Yoda encounterd ventrece, he did not take it serious AT ALL, if he felt like star killer needed to be taken down and taken down right away simularly to with sidious he would not have been holding back at all. and if he was aware that only way to beat him was to take a fatal or potential fatal wound he defenitly would have taken that choise on the spot
I do think if Vader still had all his limbs and wasn’t held back by the suit while he was still (Anakin) uninjured on Mustafar he would have no problem making short work of Starkiller or Galen Marek with his potential in the force still in tact and i don’t blame the archivist him being overpowered actually does kinda cheapen Anakin/Vader as the Chosen One
i've honestly never liked Galen, it was an obvious power fantasy character, but his strength just doesn't make sense within the lore of Star Wars. He is just to powerful.
That first comment didn't come out right. But I did always think that rage made you stronger in the dark side so I thought you should have won with all the rage and power
Talk about hamstringing. “Mop the floor” and can’t use Luke or Vitiate (people need to listen). 1. Abeloth obviously 2. Reborn Revan (wife threw that one in) 3. Nihilus.
What about Darth Sion? He was only able to be killed once he was convinced that what he was doing was pointless (i THINK I've never played KOTOR and have just gotten into the novels). Maybe he wouldnt beat him outright but i feel like he could ware him down until he could get a killing blow, I'm not sure though I dont know the lore
3 people? lets see, Darth Bane, Specialy afther the obilisk armour, not during the fight with zanna but a couple of years before that. Bane is so good in the defensive style that he can be outside in a rainstorm with his lightsaber and not let a single drop of water land on him. Darth Zanna is a second one, she is extremly skilled with defensive combat and her sith sorcery is insanly potent and starkiller would have no experience with it at all. and lastly the master that was teaching Bane to use the lightsaber. why do i take this person? Bane did NOT beat this person in the use of the blade and needed to drop a tomb on his head. Bane would be able to get out of there alive same with Zanna, its more unclear if Banes master would have been taken down with starkiller or not but i think its likely.
Let's be honest only characters such as Palpatine, Luke Skywalker or anyone at least able to put up a fight against them, are the only one's able to stand a chance against Starkiller but there's just not many on that level
@@KahnSkywalker-hy9tl no I mean Starkiller is weak compared to a lot of ppl… even Movie era Masters are greater than him. Galen is above Old republic force users and most of the Original Trilogy movie characters bar a few. But he sucks compared to NJO and Prequel Jedi.
@Reality-squared at a bare minimum he's stated to be on the Prequel level ( his fight with Shaak Ti proves). Beating Vader then matching Sidious ( 17 years after Rots (which means he demolishes Rots Yoda with little difficulty) while weakened from bringing down a Star Destoryer and nearly dying as few days earlier, proves that even Prequel Jedi are no match for him.
Starkiller is more powerful revenge of the sith vader, malgus is a very skilled duelist but he is strong enough in the force, yoda is the only one that can beat galen marak
Still believe starkiller would still.beat them never reached his full potential when he's angry or this emotions get so high his power is unleashed think he could be greatest force user they need to make film or series on starkiller
im honestly surprised Shaak Ti didnt make this list. You said a few years ago that she bested Marek in lightsaber combat, her force perception was massive, general grevious feared her.... Sure Galen used the force on her but in the game it really felt like Shaak Ti didnt want to kill him, but rather incapacitate. The Clone Wars and Order 66 probably made her feel a repulsion of taking a life. Also Anakin deemed her a massive threat during operation nightfall. Did she ever come up in your discussion when planning this vid out? :O
You do realize that Anakin made her run away during Knightfall right? The force unleashed and figure sourcebook stated that she “narrowly escaped death at the hands of the newly anointed Sith Lord”
What!!!!!!?????? Of all people u name Shaak Ti!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂 she has been killed at least 4 times one of them 3 different iterations of Anakin killing her 😂 y’all goin stop disrespecting my bod Starkiller like this the slander will not be tolerated😂
@@Reality-squared well, firstly anakin would die to yoda and starkiller also, Vader feats in ROTS is just killing dooku and some jedi that are not comparable to yoda or starkiller which defeated Vader 2 times and Vader in OG trylogy is stronger than before mustafar burning
Wouldnt like any force user that like grandmaster luke fought just fucking shit stomp on starkiller lol Also speaking of being on par with palpatine welp that wont really be a thing if ya talking about the young palpatine clone 👉👉
Darth Vader/Anakin is one of the most overrated characters in the history of movies,books, and comics. He always judged based on his “potential” and not what he actually is. He loses all the time 😂😂
Don't forget, in Force Unleashed 1 Starkiller is around 17 years old.
What i thought he was like 25 or 27
At 17 it’s impressive this character can get some hits in on a post ROTS Palpatine something Grandmaster and Council Members like Yoda and Mace Windu can pull off it leaves you to wonder how powerful he could’ve got with age he would definitely ballin with the high rollers such as post NJO Grandmaster Luke Skywalker, Kyp Durron, Saba Sebatyne, Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo, Darth Krayt, Darius Vol, Sarasu Taalon, Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Reborn from Dark Empire at his peak, Vitiate/Valkorion and so on these are all characters non deity immortal beings in Lore that have a powerful raw connection to the Force demonstrated in their story narrative and feats and I believe had Galen Marek lived on he would easily without a question be up there.
hes not fucking with Luke whats so ever. luke was the strongest jedi ever in the history of the lore. he literally curb stomps star destroyer.
@@themollymachinegalen marak had Skywalker like force potential
You forgot exar kun spirit that scale to BFC luke Skywalker and Tom veich confirmed that alive exar kun was far more powerful than his spirit version
I know I didn’t say that he would defeat him in battle or exceed him in power I’m just saying tier wise the aforementioned Force Users are the cream of the crop in SW Lore and Galen Marek had he lived longer could’ve been among the S Tier characters. Now my top 3 picks that isn’t Luke Skywalker, Vitiate or Dark Empire era Palpatine that would defeat Starkiller from how he is Kyp Durron probably a major stomp cause Kyp is able to match NJO Luke in a sparring match and is usually shown to be second to him incredibly OP natural raw connection with the Force, Darth Krayt(as he is introduced in either FOTJ Apocalypse or Legacy comics cause Darth Krayt Reborn stomps), and UnuThul.
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 i didnt even know that. thats cool
Love your videos, especially your discussions
I would think that Grand Master Luke, around the end of the Abeloth saga, could take on Starkiller. Overwhelming experience, true experience fighting the dark side, a master of all of the forms of lightsaber combat, yadayadayada. Luke could do it, but i dont think he could get away clean.
I think Revan can also beat Starkiller but I love them both
I just made that call myself. Of all potential opponents, I think Revan is the most obvious, and likely one of the few who would have a 9/10 to 10/10 probability of willing.
No revan is overrated he wasn't as skilled duelist as malak and he is not strong enough in the force, what revan have for him is versatility
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021
Please defend your argument. Your assertion is interesting, but I want to know where you are coming from.
@jayt9608 because revan doesn't feats that put him with the strongest he is very powerful but I don't think he is as powerful as some of the ancient sith lords revan was frightened when he heard how powerful exar kun
27:35 Tulak Hord: undefeated (?) on the battlefield
Exar Kun: just because, very powerful
Revan: too much esoteric knowledge and talent
Exar kun far more powerful, exar kun far more skilled duelist had greater knowledge of the force is way smarter cunnier and tactical
Man I think this is an interesting discussion and a question that I’ve had myself and it’s great to see Stupendous bring us this long awaited video and great job Stupendous 100% couldn’t agree more and can’t wait for more discussions
I immediately thought of vitiate, Luke, and nihilus before you said not to
I think Revan should have been added to the list as well because he is such an obvious winner as well.
Nihiluis isn't as powerful as y'all think
Great vid!! What’re people’s thoughts on Mace Windu beating SK? I believe that with Shatterpoint Mace would be able to dissect SK, given his mental state and lack of structure or true form.
Something different today TSW, really cool. Thanks for your time in bringing us your knowledge, Let’s gooooooo!!!!!❤
1 Nihilus, 2 Vitiate, 3 Revan.
I think revan reborn makes the list. all lore suggests that he has either equal or more potential than starkiller. He has the skills and power to keep starkiller at bay while he uses his cunning strategic mind to think of a way to beat him. He also has far more battle experience and of eveyone he ever fought it took vitiate to beat him. As much as I hate the swtor story for revan, it took several powerhouses from both the sith and the jedi to kill only half of revan. definitely an extremely challenging fight, but I think revan takes the win.
Revan potential isn't that high he was no match for vitiate
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021no one is a match for vitiate. Only the mortis gods are above. Revan was the Anakin and vader of his day with all the knowledge of the dark and the light.
I feel like Suited Darth Vader only loses to Galen based on 2 facts. Firstly, Galen has a crazy powerful version of Force lightning thatv he can imbue into his saber. Secondly, and most importantly, Palpatine had Vader's suit specifically constructed to be vulnerable to force lightning to make him easier to control.
That said, other characters that could best Starkiller would be Revan, Darth Sion, and Jedi Dooku.
Great video! I really enjoyed this!
Old Republic Force users are definitely more seasoned
Old republic force users are stated weaker than later eras..
that's something a lot of people don't understand about star wars dual as you said in this vid, it's not an abc kind of logic but more of a some things work for such while other works in different ways. Then it also comes with leverage of the situation that can be use and how skilled/ physically abled and experienced the duelist are. though im only just speaking on "who is stronger debates" situations since that's where you'd find so many misconceptions when reading different opinions
It’s a great day when Stupendous and the archivist post a discussion video 🙌
I love the connection of yado and Optimus prime. I think that’s a great comparison.
I really like how stakiller was also sort of a benchmark for Vader to measure up to
This video is one of the greats
Wave, you and theory, and the archivist, need to be on the theory- wave podcast I love these debates, you and the archivist have.Anakin, if he hadn't hadn't had, the duel on mustafar.Then Dooku, bane .
Thanks for the video, Stupendous Wave and The Archivist! Great insights. Any thoughts about other ancient Sith facing Starkiller?
Possibly!
That includes another Galen Marek clone on Kamino 😅
If you choose - Dark side ending - In the Force unleashed II game, another Galen clone kills the 1 you play
Then Darth Vader says : I lied when i told you the cloning process had not been perfectee
I find it hilarious that Galen, who was trained by Vader, who defeated The Emperor, was horrified by Yoda! Then you proceeded to compare Yoda to Optimus Prime. I still think the Gandalf analogy is better but for actual combat I can definitely see Optimus in there.
If this was a 15 character list I would probably put
Grandmaster Luke
Anakin {Full potential Ala Ashoka}
Yoda
Vitiate
Revan
Nihilus
Malgus
Darth Krayt
The Exile
Kreia
Mace Windu
Dooku
The Jedi and Sith playable characters from SWTOR
To me, the idea of "unleashing the force" is a sole trope. SK held himself in check, or he would be akin to a heedless berserker and would not fight with strategy which is another power that is taken for granted. We also hear about the old Sith and the sheer power of them and SK, but where are they now? What is their legacy? Like that of a roman candle. This idea of SK is power fantasy that brings the likes of Punisher fans and the fantasy of the Übermensch.
SK to me is more in the path of Mace Windu who sits even more in the balance of both the dark and the light sides. Nothing does more than skill, training, and most of all strategy over just raw power.
Starkiller is basically a Chuck Norris in the Star Wars universe.
Yoda being what an whom IS would PROBABLY sense BOTH the Good an the Evil realize that Galen/Starkiller is either MORE Good or ONLY 'evil' more on the surface an basically half dual half star lt teaching an mentoring the young Uber Force user in much same way he REPEATEDLY was doing in the Lore back in the Clone Wars. With those like Anakin, Dooku and Ventress.
Peak Cal Kestis vs Starkiller
I can see my favorite character, legends Durge, being able to put up a pretty good fight against Starkiller, until he gets mad and turns Durge into a extremely compressed football of muscles, nerves, sure Durge would still be very much alive but pretty much unable to move a muscle 😅
Force unleashed 3 but u play as Vader after Galen captures him at the end of the second game. Goal is to escape the rebel base that you’re being held at and find and kill Galen. I’d play it
EXAR KUN; COUNT DOOKU; KAS’IM
I also find it funny how they say Obi Wan would beat Star Killer when Star Killer literally killed force construct Obi-Wan in the first game’s dark story.
Sam Witwer said if force unleashed 3 was made it would have been revealed that Vader was toying with Galen and they would fight again and Galen would not stand a chance
Revan, Mace windu and darth imperius
😂😂😂😂😂
There’s lots of EU characters that slam Starkiller easily.
mace windu assuming he lived and trained after annakins betrayal.
I would argue that Revan certainly could take Starkiller, as could Darth Bane and Darth Zannah. Bane, even without orbalisk armor, is a tank and would likely break any of the defenses that Galen Marek could build. Revan has both grace and power with feats in the Force that rival or surpass anything that Galen did.
As for Darth Zannah, she is not Galen's equal in combat, but her defenses are built specifically to counter a fighter like Marek. We see her hold off multiple opponents at once and successfully if barely, repel Bane at a full maddened rage and likely never more physically powerful. Additionally, her more powerful weapon aims directly at the worst of Galen's weak points, his mind. With her knowledge of Sith sorcery, Galen is vulnerable. While she does not have the feats of raw power like Bane, Revan, or Galen Marek, what she does have is far more than enough to stop Starkiller.
I love Starkiller, and Samuel Witwer.
27:45 bro read my mind and said the words. Mine are Darth Bane, Darth Revan and Kas'im or Darth Plaguies.
Kas'im, was that the blade master at the sith accademy when Bane was there? oh btw i think Banes aprentice would win to considering starkiller know nothing or basicly nothing about sith sorcery and she is higely proficent in that and she is a master of the defensive form. not THE master like obi wan but still A master of the form.
@ yeah so old sith can fuck him up.
Don't forget he also beat ESB Luke and took him as his apprentice in TFU:Ultimate Sith Edition.
Turned him to the dark side then killed him crazy
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Starkiller had the potential to be Palpatine's equal. Anakin was supposed to be twice as powerful. Luke and Leia inherited that potential to a full (or almost full) degree. Yoda had hundreds of years of experience, and was an equal to Darth Sidious without even tapping to the darkside.
I'd argue that plo koon also wins against starkiller (in duelling at least not in the force) because he actually BEAT yoda in a lightsaber duel
WHAT
I know... they didnt even entertain greedo vs starkiller... 🤦
Glup Shitto reigns supreme
@@punishedvenomsnake716Speaking absolute facts
I would place Tulak Hord on the list. Starkiller was able to land a star destroyer, Hord throw them out of hyperspace. He is clearly above any Sith in lightsaber combat.
I always thought rage made you stronger he couldn't bw1 because he had sparred him so many times so he knew how to defend himself from his attacks perfectly.
Marka Ragnos, King Adas, and Darth Revan
Darth Jar-Jar would've overpowered Star Killer 😂😂😂.
Misa was never clusmy, misa was just acting (stumbles on some rocks and accidently stabs starkiller in the heart then seys "see?" )
Take the time Yoda encounterd ventrece, he did not take it serious AT ALL, if he felt like star killer needed to be taken down and taken down right away simularly to with sidious he would not have been holding back at all. and if he was aware that only way to beat him was to take a fatal or potential fatal wound he defenitly would have taken that choise on the spot
Clone wars Jedi didn't often face force users
I do think if Vader still had all his limbs and wasn’t held back by the suit while he was still (Anakin) uninjured on Mustafar he would have no problem making short work of Starkiller or Galen Marek with his potential in the force still in tact and i don’t blame the archivist him being overpowered actually does kinda cheapen Anakin/Vader as the Chosen One
I would've put Bane over Anakin on Mustafar.
Full pot. Maul, Darth Bane, Revan Reborn, those are my three
No. 4 that could beat Galen Marek would be Darth Jadus.
Darth Krayt, Darth Caedus and Jaina Solo
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Tulak Hord would prolly raw dog hus ahh too
@Stupedious Wave Your question makes no sense. The farer we go back in time, the more powerful the Sith or Jedi get stronger then non.
i've honestly never liked Galen, it was an obvious power fantasy character, but his strength just doesn't make sense within the lore of Star Wars. He is just to powerful.
Not really that hard to believe 😂 he was trained by Darth Vader y’all make it overly complicated😂😂😂😂
@ True, but I mean this guy beating Vader is one thing, but to do so well against Sidous, Now that’s crazy hard to believe
I've always had this feeling deep down. A bit OP
Sounds like you just have no imagination at all. Sucks to suck. 😊
@@ColtonHemenway-r6p you need a bit more imagination. Zombie.
Call down lightning, force ghost Yoda will.
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Didn't it take like several dozen jedi/sith (depending on what class ya play as) to contain malgus in the old republic mmo?
That first comment didn't come out right. But I did always think that rage made you stronger in the dark side so I thought you should have won with all the rage and power
He Is 25 In First Game Actually
Revan
Put Juno at risk and he'll do anything to win against anyone.
Talk about hamstringing. “Mop the floor” and can’t use Luke or Vitiate (people need to listen).
1. Abeloth obviously
2. Reborn Revan (wife threw that one in)
3. Nihilus.
1. Nomi sunrider
2. Ulic qel droma
3. General Hoth of the army of Light 🤔🤔
What about Darth Sion? He was only able to be killed once he was convinced that what he was doing was pointless (i THINK I've never played KOTOR and have just gotten into the novels). Maybe he wouldnt beat him outright but i feel like he could ware him down until he could get a killing blow, I'm not sure though I dont know the lore
Exar kun
Exar kun revan dooku
Good soldiers watch early
Darth krayt 💁💁💁
Okay I know you said NOT Luke, and I get it. But hear me out… Dark Empire Luke??
3 people? lets see, Darth Bane, Specialy afther the obilisk armour, not during the fight with zanna but a couple of years before that. Bane is so good in the defensive style that he can be outside in a rainstorm with his lightsaber and not let a single drop of water land on him. Darth Zanna is a second one, she is extremly skilled with defensive combat and her sith sorcery is insanly potent and starkiller would have no experience with it at all. and lastly the master that was teaching Bane to use the lightsaber. why do i take this person? Bane did NOT beat this person in the use of the blade and needed to drop a tomb on his head. Bane would be able to get out of there alive same with Zanna, its more unclear if Banes master would have been taken down with starkiller or not but i think its likely.
Day 673 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Exar Kun, Grandmaster Luke Skywalker, and Darth Vitiate would also thrash Starkiller imo
Do video on revon please
Luke
Let's be honest only characters such as Palpatine, Luke Skywalker or anyone at least able to put up a fight against them, are the only one's able to stand a chance against Starkiller but there's just not many on that level
Starkiller is weak
@Reality-squared compared to someone like Grandmaster Luke yeah but otherwise he's far from weak
@@KahnSkywalker-hy9tl no I mean Starkiller is weak compared to a lot of ppl… even Movie era Masters are greater than him. Galen is above Old republic force users and most of the Original Trilogy movie characters bar a few. But he sucks compared to NJO and Prequel Jedi.
@Reality-squared at a bare minimum he's stated to be on the Prequel level ( his fight with Shaak Ti proves). Beating Vader then matching Sidious ( 17 years after Rots (which means he demolishes Rots Yoda with little difficulty) while weakened from bringing down a Star Destoryer and nearly dying as few days earlier, proves that even Prequel Jedi are no match for him.
What about Darth Nihilus?
*Pre-Suit Vader is the most powerful character in Star Wars* Even more powerful than Luke and Sidious and Caedus & Krayt.
What do you think about tulak hord in this fight? I think he wins easy lol
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@watchmesquatch wussup?
Starkiller is more powerful revenge of the sith vader, malgus is a very skilled duelist but he is strong enough in the force, yoda is the only one that can beat galen marak
Star Killer verses his clone?
But could they beat the the clone in the Bad Ending?
Rowan freemaker can take on starkiller he lifted a star destroyer too in the power of jakku well more like held ot back
Please for someone explain to me how where they able to clone Galen Marek?! I don’t understand how the clone was made force sensitive!
They cloned Luke, Palpatine, Jorus, etc.
Galen isn’t the only force sensitive clone
I think I know one which can beat starkiller without beating a sweat
Emperor valkorion from star wars the old republic
Mace Windu
Still believe starkiller would still.beat them never reached his full potential when he's angry or this emotions get so high his power is unleashed think he could be greatest force user they need to make film or series on starkiller
Starkiller is below PT Jedi
im honestly surprised Shaak Ti didnt make this list. You said a few years ago that she bested Marek in lightsaber combat, her force perception was massive, general grevious feared her.... Sure Galen used the force on her but in the game it really felt like Shaak Ti didnt want to kill him, but rather incapacitate. The Clone Wars and Order 66 probably made her feel a repulsion of taking a life. Also Anakin deemed her a massive threat during operation nightfall. Did she ever come up in your discussion when planning this vid out? :O
You do realize that Anakin made her run away during Knightfall right? The force unleashed and figure sourcebook stated that she “narrowly escaped death at the hands of the newly anointed Sith Lord”
@@Reality-squared depends on which death you are talking about lol
What!!!!!!?????? Of all people u name Shaak Ti!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂 she has been killed at least 4 times one of them 3 different iterations of Anakin killing her 😂 y’all goin stop disrespecting my bod Starkiller like this the slander will not be tolerated😂
This is of course anakin glazing, starkiller would demolish him, yoda and palpatine also, anakin feats is killing dooku and losing to obi wan
You don’t know Star Wars do yu lol. Anakin slams Starkiller real talk. We can debate it?
@@Reality-squared well, firstly anakin would die to yoda and starkiller also, Vader feats in ROTS is just killing dooku and some jedi that are not comparable to yoda or starkiller which defeated Vader 2 times and Vader in OG trylogy is stronger than before mustafar burning
Lord Hoth would beat Starkiller or Galen Marek EASY!
I think Reban would beat starkiller
Greedo can take on starkiller.
This is completely opinionated. There are no facts to make me believe any of these people would even stand a chance.
Wouldnt like any force user that like grandmaster luke fought just fucking shit stomp on starkiller lol
Also speaking of being on par with palpatine welp that wont really be a thing if ya talking about the young palpatine clone 👉👉
No. You're a silly casual. 😂
@watchmesquatch why yes i am but am i wrong?
Darth Vader/Anakin is one of the most overrated characters in the history of movies,books, and comics. He always judged based on his “potential” and not what he actually is. He loses all the time 😂😂