Spot on , this is a “new technique” that not a lot of coaches are teaching. I struggled for a long time with the traditional guiding slide and since incorporated the sideways pendulum i can feel and control speed better. Thanks for the video
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I would love to see a video on how to play close to the net (overhead smash, drop shot... ) I am not confident enough to move forward and I always let the ball bounce ounce before smashing. Thanks a lot
Excellent observation and break down. You have the best lessons/ information on the internet. No BS around getting right to valuable info that is addressing any level can implement and practice. I'm gonna take this to the court today!! Well done mate!
There are so many situations to use a slice in, yet many players think it's a defensive, last resort shot. You can attack with it, defend with it and mix up play All the best Simon
Federer's bread and butter shots are his backhand slice and his inside out forehand. He can play them while in sleep. BTW who has a better backhand slice than Federer? I thought his was the best.
Great stuff. Could you guys do a piece on the forehand slice sometime? I'm trying to add it to my game as an approach shot or as a way to draw a baseline hitter into the net.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Cool. It seems like a neglected shot, but I just played an older guy who uses it really effectively. Nearly put me on my knees a few times!
Another part of the shot is the elbow. Prior to contact, Roger's forearm is at a 90 degree angle. As he moves through the shot he ends up with his arm fully extended.
I can do this kind of slice very well. My problem is it is hard for me to control the target this way in Doubles game, the traditional slice is linear, easier to control target.
Hey TTT nice job at explaining the swing path. However, whenever I try this shot I miss the ball. Can you elaborate on the timing of this shot as well as on the speed and posture (e.g. being on your side with all the weight on your right leg?). This would help a lot! Thank you so much from Italy!
Also I believe this way of slicing is much more versatile than usual slice, if properly mastered. It allows you to hit faster and higher balls, basically whenever you don't have the time to prepare and execure a normal backhand
And also, if you can give us some drills or exaggerations to work on this shot would be awesome! (E.g. with the traditional slice all my shots were going high. The drill of purposely trying ti hit the net helped me cutting the ball and keeping It lower).
@@Massiminesta9568 I use a one-handed backhand with Eastern grip. My normal backhand is drive or topspin with Eastern grip. I *never* slice on a neutral rally ball. If I want to mix it up and slice on neutral rally balls, then I will have to switch to Continental grip. From the ready position, as soon as I recognize it is coming to my backhand, I must switch to Continental (instead of my usual Eastern grip). So it seems I have to plan it out well in advance that I'm gonna slice instead of driving it. 🤔
I'm a 3.5 player, is this Federer technique and slice swing path recommended for intermediate players like me? Is it too advanced perhaps? I don't have a backhand slice at all currently, I only got flat or topspin backhand. Today I focused with my hitting partner on developing a one handed slice and the motion most productive for me was steeply downward like Fed's. But is it too "risky" of a swing path for me? Is there a "safer" path I should master first?
idk but every time i try this the ball stops and spins to the ground just under me. its so hard but i wanna learn it since its the most effective way of slicing
Hi Simon, thanks for the video. At one point in time you mentioned the non dominant hand playing the rubber band effect for more power. Does that apply for the flat/topspin one handed backhand as well ?
Hey what is your tennis racket or wich one would you suggest me to use? I am 14 years old and I'm not a beginner but also not a pro. Played this summer with the blade 285gr and pretty hard strings and now I have an injury in my elbow so the doctor suggested to rest for 3 months and get a lighter racket. I have a really good serve for my category and the rest is average.
I would firstly say that it probably wasn't the weight of your racket but the tight strings that caused the injury. If you have access to a pro shop that allows you to test out rackets, that would the best way to choose a good racket. Get your tension down also!
You mention he gets record level spin, but using that pendulum technique, how does he get power and depth if the swing path isn't 'pushing' the bal across the court? It seems great for drop shots but not a deep slice..Just how?
Hi Simon, How much does the wrist come into play with the backhand slice when compared to the shoulder? Do you keep your wrist firm and allow your shoulder to take care of the shot from start to finish or do you maneuver your wrist slightly during the initial prep when you take the racket behind and keep your wrist loose while making contact with the ball? PS: Nice video and you've got a lovely court there
The wrist stays in a neutral position, on 90% of slices. On the downward phase, it's more the extension of the arm using the tricep muscle, that's why it's so important to have the arm bent when you are waiting above the shoulder. Then the shoulder takes over using the pendulum effect All the best Simon
I’ve coached this slice to many amateurs over the years, 80-90% can get it right if you use a few solid coaching methods. For beginners, yes it won’t work.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial if an amateur guy 4.0-4.5 level hits 100 of backhand slice hard hit using your technique Vs more standard Rosewall technique, which is more consistent and well placed ? I rest my case. Just try it and you will see
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons The timing is arguably what makes his slice work so well. All the RHS and the angle won't help unless the timing is perfect. Federer has the talent. The rest of us slice forward because it is safer and bigger margin for error. IMHO.
Thank you. I would appreciate one suggestion. I have been playing tennis for the last 4 months. My game is okay, I mean, I make nice forehands, backhands even slices. I have been using a budget racket that is Head Ti 3000. Please suggest a racket for me to up my game a notch. Thank you.
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Spot on , this is a “new technique” that not a lot of coaches are teaching. I struggled for a long time with the traditional guiding slide and since incorporated the sideways pendulum i can feel and control speed better. Thanks for the video
Glad it was helpful!
Federer and Graff. Best slices ever.
Agreed
Agreed 100%
Barry as well
I like how you talk about pros and then Federer like he's on a level above. I love your channel. You helped me a lot
Thanks for watching
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I would love to see a video on how to play close to the net (overhead smash, drop shot... ) I am not confident enough to move forward and I always let the ball bounce ounce before smashing. Thanks a lot
Thank you Simon, such a good anaylsis, RF's slice BH consists both, effectively underspin and sidespin the same time , a beautiful shot indeed !
Glad to hear
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Simon
Excellent observation and break down. You have the best lessons/ information on the internet. No BS around getting right to valuable info that is addressing any level can implement and practice. I'm gonna take this to the court today!! Well done mate!
Thank you for the support
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
These videos make me realize just how much there is for me to learn
Thank you for watching
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
This is the best descriptive video on Fed's backhand slice hands down!
Thank you for watching 👍
Slice is such a great variation when played short low cross into backhand with return and during rallies
There are so many situations to use a slice in, yet many players think it's a defensive, last resort shot.
You can attack with it, defend with it and mix up play
All the best
Simon
It can also be a great passing shot when hit just above the net 👍
Federer's bread and butter shots are his backhand slice and his inside out forehand. He can play them while in sleep. BTW who has a better backhand slice than Federer? I thought his was the best.
I say in this video that Federer's slice is the best ever IMO
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Thanks. I agree with your opinion.
Always coming back to watch this video - great info Simon!
Thanks for the support
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons maybe a lesson on tracking the ball or improving anticipation and court awareness
Check out this lesson - th-cam.com/video/foD2mMKl7xs/w-d-xo.html
Man I LOVE your tennis analysis. I’ve learned so much from you. Thanks again
Great stuff. Could you guys do a piece on the forehand slice sometime? I'm trying to add it to my game as an approach shot or as a way to draw a baseline hitter into the net.
Filmed a forehand slice lesson last week, should be released in the next month or two 👍
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Cool. It seems like a neglected shot, but I just played an older guy who uses it really effectively. Nearly put me on my knees a few times!
Yes... the amount of spin is sick
Thank you for watching
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
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I’m having trouble hitting top spin 1H BH
Another part of the shot is the elbow. Prior to contact, Roger's forearm is at a 90 degree angle. As he moves through the shot he ends up with his arm fully extended.
Exactly, something I cover in this video - th-cam.com/video/PL-IziJNT5M/w-d-xo.html
I can do this kind of slice very well. My problem is it is hard for me to control the target this way in Doubles game, the traditional slice is linear, easier to control target.
Hey TTT nice job at explaining the swing path. However, whenever I try this shot I miss the ball. Can you elaborate on the timing of this shot as well as on the speed and posture (e.g. being on your side with all the weight on your right leg?).
This would help a lot! Thank you so much from Italy!
Also I believe this way of slicing is much more versatile than usual slice, if properly mastered. It allows you to hit faster and higher balls, basically whenever you don't have the time to prepare and execure a normal backhand
And also, if you can give us some drills or exaggerations to work on this shot would be awesome! (E.g. with the traditional slice all my shots were going high. The drill of purposely trying ti hit the net helped me cutting the ball and keeping It lower).
All covered in more depth in these slice lessons - th-cam.com/play/PLJP-Wou-v6z1R4OlfdPfMXbTdp29W-Oyo.html
@@Massiminesta9568 I use a one-handed backhand with Eastern grip. My normal backhand is drive or topspin with Eastern grip. I *never* slice on a neutral rally ball. If I want to mix it up and slice on neutral rally balls, then I will have to switch to Continental grip. From the ready position, as soon as I recognize it is coming to my backhand, I must switch to Continental (instead of my usual Eastern grip). So it seems I have to plan it out well in advance that I'm gonna slice instead of driving it. 🤔
Well explained!
I'm a 3.5 player, is this Federer technique and slice swing path recommended for intermediate players like me? Is it too advanced perhaps? I don't have a backhand slice at all currently, I only got flat or topspin backhand. Today I focused with my hitting partner on developing a one handed slice and the motion most productive for me was steeply downward like Fed's. But is it too "risky" of a swing path for me? Is there a "safer" path I should master first?
These lessons should help you develop the slice - th-cam.com/play/PLJP-Wou-v6z1R4OlfdPfMXbTdp29W-Oyo.html
I need that slice in my life 🤩 💪 🎾 👍 🇨🇭 🐐
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All the best
Simon
Does Federer have the greatest slice of all time?
Ya he does cus he can use it off an agressive ball
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons I have The greatest slice while I am cutting sousages🤣🤣🤣
@@andrejefremov1978 Love it hahaha
Yes, great information in this video. I have to search if you did a simular video on gasquets topspin backhand.
Yes, great information in this video. I have to search if you did a simular video on gasquets topspin backhand.
Quality dude!
Counting the minutes !🎾
💪
Did you add that music to those Federer slices? It fits the maestro's slice ballad performance well 🙂
That music was coming from the stands at the Garden 👍
Great 🎉
Many thanks 🙏
What are the benefits of the pendulum swing path? Is it recommended for junior players?
Benefits include being able to handle pace easier, allows to produce more underspin and it’s more relaxed than conventional swing
Can you make a video where you take a forehand/backhand from the 90s like agassi's or Sampra's and compare it to todays players?
I'll add that to the list, we have made a comparison on forehand styles here - th-cam.com/video/ipn0_ISQkPI/w-d-xo.html
idk but every time i try this the ball stops and spins to the ground just under me. its so hard but i wanna learn it since its the most effective way of slicing
Keep working on it, you’ll get it
Great video. What about the grip? Does Federer use the same grip for the normal backhanded stroke as he does when he's slicing it?
Nice question
Continental grip for 90% of his slice backhands, eastern backhand grip for his drive backhands
Hi Simon, thanks for the video. At one point in time you mentioned the non dominant hand playing the rubber band effect for more power. Does that apply for the flat/topspin one handed backhand as well ?
Yes, to some extent, I cover that in this lesson - th-cam.com/video/_7M5O1Frtf8/w-d-xo.html
what grip?
Continental
Hey what is your tennis racket or wich one would you suggest me to use? I am 14 years old and I'm not a beginner but also not a pro. Played this summer with the blade 285gr and pretty hard strings and now I have an injury in my elbow so the doctor suggested to rest for 3 months and get a lighter racket. I have a really good serve for my category and the rest is average.
I would firstly say that it probably wasn't the weight of your racket but the tight strings that caused the injury.
If you have access to a pro shop that allows you to test out rackets, that would the best way to choose a good racket. Get your tension down also!
Make sure to not full extend your elbow during the release movement to avoid injuries as tennis elbow.
Absolutely
Hi simon would you say you have a compact loop or a direct tackle back on your backhand and which would you recommend for a junior player
I would say I have a loop, racket head is higher in prep phase then I have a drop.
For 90% of tennis players, the loop works better
You mention he gets record level spin, but using that pendulum technique, how does he get power and depth if the swing path isn't 'pushing' the bal across the court? It seems great for drop shots but not a deep slice..Just how?
I met him at the match in Africa in cape town
Nice
Hi Simon,
How much does the wrist come into play with the backhand slice when compared to the shoulder?
Do you keep your wrist firm and allow your shoulder to take care of the shot from start to finish or do you maneuver your wrist slightly during the initial prep when you take the racket behind and keep your wrist loose while making contact with the ball?
PS: Nice video and you've got a lovely court there
The wrist stays in a neutral position, on 90% of slices.
On the downward phase, it's more the extension of the arm using the tricep muscle, that's why it's so important to have the arm bent when you are waiting above the shoulder.
Then the shoulder takes over using the pendulum effect
All the best
Simon
That's very helpful Simon, thank you!
What would happen to tennis without Federer?
Nadal and Djokovic would both be on 30 slams haha
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
If mortals make the pendulum ball 95% goes to the net....too much acceleration on Fed heavy racquet...GOAT¡¡
That's why no one will remember your name
..Federer,and probably Feliciano Lopez..
that flick example was smart
Thanks for watching
All the best
Simon
In addition to the best slice backhand in the game, no one keeps his eyes on the ball better than Federer.
Nobody would debate you on that.
Federer has hawk eyes
Yeaaah..that is deadly cause you hit a knife/dart low bouncing fast shot you can even hit a drop shot if you disguise it correctly
Absolutely
Seems harder to control direction with this method.
Possibly
show more of Federer and not Sherwood forest :)
Ok Mike 👍
Three decades later still trying to hit backhand 😅
BAD technique for the amateurs. with this chopping motion, it is much more difficult to hit it flush in the middle of the racket and time the ball.
I’ve coached this slice to many amateurs over the years, 80-90% can get it right if you use a few solid coaching methods.
For beginners, yes it won’t work.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial if an amateur guy 4.0-4.5 level hits 100 of backhand slice hard hit using your technique Vs more standard Rosewall technique, which is more consistent and well placed ? I rest my case. Just try it and you will see
I cannot even imagine how Roger lets the ball forward even though he swings downward😂
Racket angle and RHS
Top Tennis Training - Pro Tennis Lessons The timing is arguably what makes his slice work so well. All the RHS and the angle won't help unless the timing is perfect. Federer has the talent. The rest of us slice forward because it is safer and bigger margin for error. IMHO.
Thank you. I would appreciate one suggestion. I have been playing tennis for the last 4 months. My game is okay, I mean, I make nice forehands, backhands even slices. I have been using a budget racket that is Head Ti 3000. Please suggest a racket for me to up my game a notch. Thank you.