That guy is definitely on something. He is all over the place. I could tell from the second he touched that workers back and said "good work guys" he seemed so fake.
@@MarcZoller I’m not talking about politics, you wrote 8 comments in a row without replying to anyone, no one even mentioned politics and you went on an insane rant, concerning behavior. Are you on heroine? Cocaine?
@@MarcZoller When did I insult you? I’m genuinely trying to understand your odd behavior, and you continue with your insane tangents. Btw no one is talking about politics here, only you with yourself.
My dad has sent my mom to 3 of these....the first one had a family orientation where a couple of the, "pros" running the program explained the process, cost & answered questions. My dad asked about success rate, understandably, and everyone in the room was very interested in hearing the answer (you could hear a pin drop) and these fuckers totally hemmed and hawed and tap danced around it so my dad just Googled it & signed the check anyway
@@BartleyBuck sad thing is the key to curing like 90% of addictions is to lift the person out of the misery that brought them to substances in the first place...I follow the dr carl hart school of thought on this topic
@@SamIAmB awesome. I don't really know how I did it but think it was just tired of the lifestyle. Lost so many friends that I don't even bother trying to figure out how many because every time I would remember one more person and than another and another 😢
That’s good. But drinking is the worst.. the worst withdrawals, the most dangerous withdrawals at that, very deadly. I am a recovering alcoholic 2 5ths of vodka a day.. tried to quit twice on my own and had 2 withdrawal seizures... alcohol and it’s effects/ withdrawals worse than heroin. Literally.. congrats on stopping the drugs though :) please consider stopping drinking it’s the worst out of all and that’s a fact.
The guy who talks about finding a phych doctor who doesn't prescribe meds is dumb asf, there are people who need phych meds on a constant basis , people with schizophrenia and other disorders need phych meds , I swear the world has gone full retardedd
Great reporting, it’s time people realize that true recovery comes from within! You don’t need fancy clinics, you need someone to talk to and to watch over you and true willpower which all people have inside of them
@Masen S I was on dope for 13 yrs. The only way I could get clean was to lay it out without subs this time. Keep fighting the good fight my dude. Proud of u
This is absolutely correct. This is also why having people who love you unconditionally take care of you until you recover your strength. Psychedelics will definitely play a role in helping become whole again. They don't automatically fix you like some would hope, but instead they allow you find the resolve within oneself to do the work, while letting go of attachment to good feelings only.
One of the potential biggest flaws in the rehab business imo is how involved former addicts are in the process. Addicts are running these rehabs, half way houses, sober living homes etc and it’s so ripe for fraud. Just look at all the Florida flop houses and sex trafficking. Guess who runs all those? You bet it’s mostly “former” addicts. I say former in quotes because half these people are liars and can’t be trusted. Shit for all you know they still get high they just got better at hiding it
The rule of successful treatment is that you first have to "let go" of the pain, leave it on the floor, and then you have to take responsibility, that it's YOUR CHOICE to change. Nobody can do it for you, no amount of "spa luxury" can do it for you.
I've been to treatment 4 times. The only thing that works is if the person addicted really wants to be sober. Is able to stay away from people that are bad for their recovery and make serious life altering choices. Even with all that the chances of relapse are almost certain. But being able to pick yourself back up after a relapse and get back onboard with being clean is powerful as well. As weak as we feel in our addiction being able to say I did this makes me feel strong.
Iv been to rehab (twice) and it isn’t until your in there you really see what it’s all about. Rehabs might be great for some people and might work if you apply their teachings but most of the time it doesn’t work. People having to leave after being there two or three weeks into treatment because something with their insurance and seeing people crying saying they don’t want to leave because they are not ready and will relapse. GROWN men crying because they know what will happen as soon as they go home. Its just sad. I can go on and on about expectations vs the reality when I got there.
As someone in recovery, the only thing that has helped me find long term recovery was AA. People often misconstrue that AA meetings are the program of AA, which is incorrect. The meetings of AA are the FELLOWSHIP of AA. The program of AA is written in the book Alcoholics Anonymous, written by Bill W and the first 100 men and women who recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body by working the steps.
Went to rehab 5 years ago and been clean since, wasn't Malibu of course. My addiction wasn't cured I learned how to deal with my emotions without the use of any mind alternating substances. Struggle with it some days but managed to stay sober.
Fortunate I have a detox and rehab where I live that's free. I went in there straight off the streets hooked on dope. Been clean pushing two years now no suboxone this time either. Yall are loved. It can't rain everyday
@@beemelonhead1 yea but Idk about the done. Was never on it. I relapsed like 2 yrs ago and just did it without anything this time. But if it works than it works. Stay true. Much love you're doing great
Family member went to a rehab for disorder, they were great and cared a lot, but they charged 25k a month to the insurance and the insurance ended just NOT paying it. Luckily they cut the charges down to 20k over the 4 months he was there but the fact that it was like 1200 is absolutely ridiculous.
My experience is these places are garbage. I’ve been to nice rehabs. Then I turned 26 and my insurance ran out. I ended up at all the county funded facilities in Miami Dade, then finally ended up at one ran completely by the county. That’s where I got sober. In my opinion these rehabs teach nothing except how to be more entitled.
So equine therapy? Really these people need to learn to cope with their feelings on a day by day basis when dealing with people and build confidence and self esteem. Animals don't destroy your self esteem like people do
equine therapy works when done right. The idea is not to visit a damn horse and magically recover. The idea is to establish a meaningful relationship with the horse. Horses are assholes and taking care of one requires a lot of work. It's like having a dog times 10. Furthermore, horses are naturally untrusting. In order to get a horse to trust you, you have to regulate your emotions and learn how to calm down, even when they're being a dick to you.
@@psychologybear6846 but it's still irellevant the patients need to learned how to interact with people not horses. Unless you want to be a horse trainer. Crazy therapy but it is the USA I guess where you have the highest depression rates in the world. Moby is nice to anyone and they need a political movement to get them to speak corteuosly to each other
@@NoPlus500 Yeah, maybe I didn't explain it thoroughly enough. Equine therapy teaches transferable skills. It teaches empathy, gives people meaning, teaches people emotional regulation, etc. It seems cooky, I get it. However, equine therapy has shown to be efficacious especially with prison inmates and recitivism rates. I suspect, however, that these people are just doing whatever sounds nice and not following a regimen that actually helps. The only efficacious data I have seen, albeit preliminary, has been long term bonding with a specific horse that is not broken in and is especially difficult to bond with.
@@psychologybear6846 So retraining people to get on with horses animal magnetism I guess. So what it works but it does not make people understand themselves and others too to survive life. You must be an American
I wrote it once and I'm gonna repeat myself. In terms of rehab money will not buy you better treatment. AA, AN, AG, those are proven to work and are free. Once you have motivation you can recover free of charge.
@@americannightmare2109 true. Of course, physical dependency can be a problem in case if certain substances, but that's purely medical problem not psychological. You wouldn't treat cancer with psychotherapy so you shouldn't treat dependency this way either. You wouldn't also go to some witch to treat those. But first of all, all those rehab places didn't have any medical devices, those take in people who are already after the detox. And once you detoxed the quality of the therapy you get at this rehab is not better than what you get in the church's basement. Well, it's a great idea to seek help from professionals but that doesn't make you any more likely to stay off drugs or alcohol. AA etc have therapeutic value over long period of time for multitude of reasons. So, it is what it is. The most important factor is the motivation to get better of a sick person. Once there is motivation you can get world's best therapy, free of charge. *I'm not gonna say there are no shortcomings in the program, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing else works better anyway.
Next to impossible to find a psychiatrist that won’t pass out meds? Have you looked to the VA? I got anti-histamines for severe anxiety linked to PTSD.
As an addict in recovery, having been to treatment. The facility is only the jump start. The real work, the real commitment to recovery comes from working the steps and being part of a 12 step fellowship. I went to rehab once, the 30 days helped me with the withdrawals and after walking out the doors, getting a sponsor, starting the steps, being in meetings and then yes. That is where the foundation of recovery is. I’m so grateful for Narcotics Anonymous because that fellowship is saving my life because it’s about a 180 change. I don’t agree with a lot of this video. The opinion of a non addict doing this shit on the real struggle of what recovery looks like. Not cute Vice.
I struggle with a marijuana addiction. My biggest issue with it is thinking about the price it's going to cost me over my lifetime if I don't quit. However after my parents and I looked at passages Malibu, I realized a month of rehab would be at least 25-30years in price of my weed habit/addiction. I instantly felt a lot better about my addiction lol.
Addiction is a mental health issue and needs to be treated as such. It's not a lack of control. That said, these "rehab" facilities are absurd! We need universal healthcare that includes mental health care services for all and to destigmatize and decriminalize addiction. Rich people can afford a place like this while poor people end up incarcerated for struggling with addiction.
I did 12 months in county jail due to a heroin charge. This jail offered no rehabilitation services except a once a week NA or AA meeting. Incarceration does not help addicts it only keeps putting them through the system with no way out. What's a convicted felon with a drug charge gonna do for work when he gets out? No one wants to hire a felon.
@@uglyhobo4602 your choice to do heroin u suffer the consequences but for someone who never touched the stuff why should we cater to u I'm in a custody battle with a heroin addict so I feel no remorse
@@uglyhobo4602 I'm very sorry that happened to you. The incarceration of people that struggle with addiction is beyond deplorable. We need affordable, hospital based treatment facilities. Not cages.
@@elaynaaubreygonzo3744 why should I cater to people that get cancer? I've never had my cells mutate to create a tumor that replicates without stopping. ^^that's an abused comment. Obviously we should treat people with cancer. So why is a mental health diagnosis any different? Addiction is an illness, not a choice. If people like you weren't so judgmental about addiction, maybe we'd see a more loving a just society.
It’s just all for the money. They see desperate vulnerable people needing help and they capitalize on it. My friend who is now my barber I met through rehab since he was near the area I was located in and I booked him. He told me that the owner of the rehab I was in which costed 20K he would ask him for drugs cause he slanged dope on the side lol, though he understands and doesn’t do that around me. I believe it. It’s an evil business where they see your condition as a money sign.
I went to a 12 step based rehab program 5 years ago. It wasnt expensive like these in the video. But it wasnt cheap. Without insurance its 10,000. With insurance it was 3000. Which was for 45 days. I've been sober ever since
Been to rehab, it didn't work unfortunately. Tried shrooms & they weren't potent enough. Psychiatrist & therapy is the move currently... shroom trip on the way again I've only heard good things in helping addiction, depression / anxiety, OCD, etc.
The first guy is super shady like come on 73 grand a month for what to sit in a room all day and not get help. No wonder why these celebrities and so many other people r dying
What the dude said in the beginning so true. The poor have a better chance at recovery. 12 step was the beginning of my recovery and rich people dont usually go deep enough to change for real. Really got to got to hit a bottom to change everything.
AA is successful because it relies on the addicts willingness to get better. Forcing people to go to rehab is useless. They have to want to go and to get better. Also AA has a support system that rehab systems lack. A good rehab treatment is Marine Corps boot camp. You have no time for yourself except 1 hour in the evening. Then its sleep, wake up, work out, get yelled at all day and repeat.
While these rehabs cost a lot, they also give them everything they need and they still relapse. Cant fault the facility for that. Many have doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, dieticians, counselors, priests. What else should they do? They need to pay those salaries and rent and food, medicine, taking them on outings.
I went to rehab, my insurance paid for 30 days. I saw the bill and it was 30k$ for the 32 days. Did I think it was worth 1000$ a day, I don't think so. But it was good to go to a place to get away from the drugs even if it was for 30 days. I suppose if you have money you can always find the expensive choice for any decision you're making.
Going to a fancy rehab won’t work. You have to have the courage to put yourself out of your comfort zone and get real. Going to a resort, making sure you’re very comfortable...is not going to put you where you need to be. I credit anyone trying to help themselves but I’m not sure this is how to do it.
Alot of these people went to rehab because they are broke and there family won't give them any more money and force them into treatment. You will never get clean no matter how expensive the treatment is if you don't want it. Then they get out and the family gives them what they have left to help them get on there feet and the relapse. Ive been clean 3 years and it took me 3 times in treatment so over 180 days. I know people whos grandma refinanced there house to send them to rehab. To find out they died of an overdose a week out of treatment. Very sad how people take advantage of people with a disease.
You have the same chance of maintaining sobriety following any old two-week long vacation that removes you from a drug environment as you do going to a rehab program. When unbiased research was done on the efficacy of rehabs in the US, it was found that only 5 to 7% of people maintain sobriety for the year following treatment. There's a reason most rehabs don't do studies on their efficacy, and that's because they know it would be dismal; but for those that do actually do studies, their data is pretty scewed in their favor. The clients that respond to the studies are most likely going to be the only ones that have maintained sobriety, as the clients that haven't are more likely to not be able to be reached, dismissive of anything to do with rehab, likely to be embarrassed, etc. So in general, the studies end up not only having small participant pools, the successful group almost always heavily outbumbers the unsuccessful one. The rehabs that do these types of studies are the ones that boast about their high success rates. It's all BS. The main thing that rehabs provide is removing people from their normal environments. Being out of your environment strongly reduces cravings and brings you out of your everyday habits. It's usually those that have the strength to change that will stay clean, with or without rehab. Rehab can teach you all it wants. It can't give you a sustained inner strength when you go home. And honestly, studies have shown that the overwhelming majority of people with addictions get clean on their own between their mid twenties to early thirties. It's typically only those with the most severe cases of addiction that end up going to rehab in the first place, so of course they'd be the least likely to maintain sobriety. Psychologists will tell people that addiction requires rehab, but they suffer from clinician's bias, in that they only see the worst cases, so they generalize that level of addiction to all addicts. Addiction is a spectrum and not all addicts are the same. Even their drug of choice influences how they respond to treatment (i.e.: heroin users are more antisocial and get less benefit from group therapy, whereas alcohol users usually benefit greatly). There absolutely needs to be more actual research done into addiction, but even if there is, it'll be funded by big pharma so then more pharmaceuticals will be thrown around as treatment. Being able to develop inner strength to change is the key to sobriety, and in all honesty, if someone needs help, one-on-one cognitive behavioral therapy is a better and cheaper alternative to traditional rehab. Sobriety isn't a one-size-fits-all thing and working individually with someone who holds you accountable is so beneficial. The only problem is that it doesn't bring you out of your environment, so it's not a foolproof plan. If a program were developed using the CBT model that also enabled you to be out of your everyday environment, it would be a great start to improving the current system. Additionally, a lot of addicts don't have crippling addictions and they may avoid treatment because they don't want to give up their drug of choice all together. Some people just want to learn how to use responsibly, like with alcohol for example. There are new, emerging programs that teach people personal responsibility and moderation in their substance use, it's called "moderation management," and it's a great way to get a bunch of folks with mild addictions into therapy to help improve their lives and to help them to not fall deeper down the rabbit hole. I'm super excited to see how it develops in the future. If you have an addiction, remember rehab does work for some folks - it's just that it's not the only option. Do your own research into alternatives. I know Google is flooded with paid pages that promote traditional rehab programs, but trust me, the alternatives are there. Find what you think would work best for you. AA/NA usually have the same sobriety rates as tradtional rehabs, although they do work for some people. But at the end of the day, your inner-strength for self-improvement is what will make the difference in any method you choose. And if you decide to go down the medication route (i.e.: Vivitrol or any injectables), please do yourself a favor and read the FDA labels for the drugs which are available online - they have some horrific side effects that strongly outweigh the benefits. And always remember, after some time clean, any relapse comes with the greatest chance of ODing, as most ODs occur due to your decreased tolerance and habit of using a certain amount previously. Thanks for reading and be safe out there everyone! 🌻
@@elaynaaubreygonzo3744 whilst the NHS is far from perfect, in comparison to America it pretty much is.. Curious what you think is "crap" about UK healthcare?
@@sunsetlive5655 how rare is that though and even the waiting lines in canada is crazy when u actually need helthcare and the fact we get taxed 70% of my check it's cheaper for me to get my own healthcare an Obamacare was the worst
what is swinging a pool noddle around animals going to do? poor girls still looked high. People get addictions for a reason not because they got bored one day and thought "oh yeah, lets take meth". They face hardship, struggle to cope with these things and turn to drugs to make it all feel better. So again how the hell is waving a pool noodle around going to help some over come an addiction, their are actually getting these people to talk about whats making them feel so shit that they need to take the pain away with drugs.
The place I went to in West Palm Beach was $21,500 out of pocket, plus $1,500 for detox, which I paid all out of pocket since I don't have insurance. It was a really nice place, but the whole industry is bull shit. Since I was self pay, they only drug tested me once a week, but the people who were going through insurance, they were drug tested every other day, because the rehab would charge the insurance a ridiculous amount of money per test, even though they only probably cost $10 each. All the therapy and shit is bull shit, all it is is they babysit you for a month and hope you stay clean when you get out. Quitting drugs is all about will power. You either do it or you don't, no one else to blame. Yeah there is support, like AA or NA, but that's all it is, support. No one can quit doing it for you but yourself. The only difference between the expensive places and cheap places is level of comfort. I went to a shitty place the first time, and it was miserable going through that process in such shitty conditions.
The private rehab industry is one of the shadiest industries in the country. In order for the money to keep flowing in, there needs to be a steady stream of addicts in need of help.. if rehabs were so effective that they actually helped to cure patients of their addictions then there wouldn’t be much of a business because. It’s basically like the rest of the American health care system.. it’s all designed to manage symptoms and not actually cure illnesses.. if everyone who got sick was able to easily go see a doctor and be cured.. the current healthcare system as we know it would collapse. It’s very unfortunate that this is the system we have in place
The only thing that actually works for addiction is a complete change in the way you view the world and your problems and even then it's still a tough road. This is why AA had some success. It tries to retrain you to see things in a different way but this is all easier said than done. Anything claiming to fix addiction in a week or two is straight bullshit. It really takes an epiphany in some form to break free of it.
If you make health a business don't be surprised that there are people trying to make money out of it. The problem is not these people, the problem is privatisation of healthcare
Anyone that guarantees sobriety is full of shit. Case in point is Megan, it's her third time in the place what happened to her guarantee. I love to ask him would he offer a refund with that guarantee, i think we all know the answer to that one.
That guy is definitely on something. He is all over the place. I could tell from the second he touched that workers back and said "good work guys" he seemed so fake.
That man was coked out no question
@@MarcZoller Are you going insane?
@@MarcZoller I’m not talking about politics, you wrote 8 comments in a row without replying to anyone, no one even mentioned politics and you went on an insane rant, concerning behavior. Are you on heroine? Cocaine?
@@MarcZoller When did I insult you? I’m genuinely trying to understand your odd behavior, and you continue with your insane tangents. Btw no one is talking about politics here, only you with yourself.
@@MarcZoller ummm, you good buddy?
The guy being interviewed seems so defensive like he knows hes going to get grilled for being a fraud already
They are predators praying upon people desperate for help that just happen to have lots of money. Disgusting
My dad has sent my mom to 3 of these....the first one had a family orientation where a couple of the, "pros" running the program explained the process, cost & answered questions. My dad asked about success rate, understandably, and everyone in the room was very interested in hearing the answer (you could hear a pin drop) and these fuckers totally hemmed and hawed and tap danced around it so my dad just Googled it & signed the check anyway
@@SamIAmB sad they play on desperation. Hope everything is good now for you. Addiction is tough.
Welcome to Earth. Newling ey?
@@BartleyBuck sad thing is the key to curing like 90% of addictions is to lift the person out of the misery that brought them to substances in the first place...I follow the dr carl hart school of thought on this topic
@@SamIAmB awesome. I don't really know how I did it but think it was just tired of the lifestyle. Lost so many friends that I don't even bother trying to figure out how many because every time I would remember one more person and than another and another 😢
Just here to say that horse pissed a river for 22 seconds straight.
I was waiting for that.
"I'm the one who actually gives a fuck"
2 seconds later
"Where are your patients now?
"I have no idea 🤷♂️"
He just cares about the money 🙄
They relapse when they get back home to realize they broke. 😂
Since they are broke I guess they'll be huffing Scotchgard...
Exactly 😭 that’s why i don’t want to go
The way he acts with his employees shows his true face.
The Cliffside owner looked like he was on something.
"Where'd your patients go?"
"Uh, uh .... uh..... I don't know, but wherever they went.....there was a therapeutic meaning behind it."
My health insurance paid 100% of my stay in rehab. I learned a lot and got a little sober. I still drink but no more hard drugs.
Happy for you keep itbup
Good shit
Drinking is the most dangerous. Just stop
That’s good. But drinking is the worst.. the worst withdrawals, the most dangerous withdrawals at that, very deadly. I am a recovering alcoholic 2 5ths of vodka a day.. tried to quit twice on my own and had 2 withdrawal seizures... alcohol and it’s effects/ withdrawals worse than heroin. Literally.. congrats on stopping the drugs though :) please consider stopping drinking it’s the worst out of all and that’s a fact.
Just curious what insurance? Mine was supposed to pay... it covered 2 k out of 15k... not so much a cover.
The first dude still coked out! Lmao
i made it 5 minutes in before i thought the same thing @5:10 you can tell
The guy who talks about finding a phych doctor who doesn't prescribe meds is dumb asf, there are people who need phych meds on a constant basis , people with schizophrenia and other disorders need phych meds , I swear the world has gone full retardedd
Great minds think alike
@@darkknight8666 4:27 for me lol
So glad that someone else noticed too. The sniffing, the rubbing his nose... everything about him lmao
$70k for a room? Shrooms only cost $40 for an eighth and that'll do it.
Great reporting, it’s time people realize that true recovery comes from within! You don’t need fancy clinics, you need someone to talk to and to watch over you and true willpower which all people have inside of them
First logical comment on here. Agreed. Much love
@Masen S I was on dope for 13 yrs. The only way I could get clean was to lay it out without subs this time. Keep fighting the good fight my dude. Proud of u
Yeha NA helped me
The power of connection
This is absolutely correct. This is also why having people who love you unconditionally take care of you until you recover your strength. Psychedelics will definitely play a role in helping become whole again. They don't automatically fix you like some would hope, but instead they allow you find the resolve within oneself to do the work, while letting go of attachment to good feelings only.
Damn, solid reporting. He used an anonymous source for Morningside, but he did back it up with info from a deposition. Good stuff
>70 trees, all organic
He's trying so hard to be important
Right? And how are those organic trees supposed to help anyways??
So where are the UNorganic trees?
Addicts preying on addicts...🙏
One of the potential biggest flaws in the rehab business imo is how involved former addicts are in the process. Addicts are running these rehabs, half way houses, sober living homes etc and it’s so ripe for fraud. Just look at all the Florida flop houses and sex trafficking. Guess who runs all those? You bet it’s mostly “former” addicts. I say former in quotes because half these people are liars and can’t be trusted. Shit for all you know they still get high they just got better at hiding it
Absolutely right
The rule of successful treatment is that you first have to "let go" of the pain, leave it on the floor, and then you have to take responsibility, that it's YOUR CHOICE to change.
Nobody can do it for you, no amount of "spa luxury" can do it for you.
We guarantee that it works! Next person on camera, this is my third time.
Poor horses having to put up with these shenanigans 😂
This is one of the best vice docs i watched
I’m so glad this journalist from vice was investigating this subject. He’s genuine and spitting straight facts.
Isn't that the horse from horsing around?
What is this? A crossover episode!?
Nah, it’s Dr Champ the rehab horse!
I've been to treatment 4 times. The only thing that works is if the person addicted really wants to be sober. Is able to stay away from people that are bad for their recovery and make serious life altering choices. Even with all that the chances of relapse are almost certain. But being able to pick yourself back up after a relapse and get back onboard with being clean is powerful as well. As weak as we feel in our addiction being able to say I did this makes me feel strong.
Iv been to rehab (twice) and it isn’t until your in there you really see what it’s all about. Rehabs might be great for some people and might work if you apply their teachings but most of the time it doesn’t work. People having to leave after being there two or three weeks into treatment because something with their insurance and seeing people crying saying they don’t want to leave because they are not ready and will relapse. GROWN men crying because they know what will happen as soon as they go home. Its just sad. I can go on and on about expectations vs the reality when I got there.
As someone in recovery, the only thing that has helped me find long term recovery was AA. People often misconstrue that AA meetings are the program of AA, which is incorrect. The meetings of AA are the FELLOWSHIP of AA. The program of AA is written in the book Alcoholics Anonymous, written by Bill W and the first 100 men and women who recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body by working the steps.
Is it me, or does the guy with the glasses look like Robert Irvine from Dinner: Impossible!?😳
He seems like he still has an issue with coke. Lol.
Just what I was going to say
They are robbing people who unfortunately at the moment can't help themselves . This is just horryfing .
Went to rehab 5 years ago and been clean since, wasn't Malibu of course. My addiction wasn't cured I learned how to deal with my emotions without the use of any mind alternating substances. Struggle with it some days but managed to stay sober.
Fortunate I have a detox and rehab where I live that's free. I went in there straight off the streets hooked on dope. Been clean pushing two years now no suboxone this time either. Yall are loved. It can't rain everyday
Were the subs hard to get off of? I'm on methadone right now and I feel stuck, just not as bad as when I was on the dope.
@@beemelonhead1 yea but Idk about the done. Was never on it. I relapsed like 2 yrs ago and just did it without anything this time. But if it works than it works. Stay true. Much love you're doing great
The owner seemed like he was buzzing off some good yayo. It all seemed like a scam.
Family member went to a rehab for disorder, they were great and cared a lot, but they charged 25k a month to the insurance and the insurance ended just NOT paying it. Luckily they cut the charges down to 20k over the 4 months he was there but the fact that it was like 1200 is absolutely ridiculous.
How you gonna give a tour of a rehab center with sunglasses on, acting all erratic lmaoooooooooooooooo
My experience is these places are garbage. I’ve been to nice rehabs. Then I turned 26 and my insurance ran out. I ended up at all the county funded facilities in Miami Dade, then finally ended up at one ran completely by the county. That’s where I got sober. In my opinion these rehabs teach nothing except how to be more entitled.
Dang the background music is just so EPIC! Like it's all a joke... 😂
So equine therapy? Really these people need to learn to cope with their feelings on a day by day basis when dealing with people and build confidence and self esteem. Animals don't destroy your self esteem like people do
equine therapy works when done right. The idea is not to visit a damn horse and magically recover. The idea is to establish a meaningful relationship with the horse. Horses are assholes and taking care of one requires a lot of work. It's like having a dog times 10. Furthermore, horses are naturally untrusting. In order to get a horse to trust you, you have to regulate your emotions and learn how to calm down, even when they're being a dick to you.
@@psychologybear6846 but it's still irellevant the patients need to learned how to interact with people not horses. Unless you want to be a horse trainer.
Crazy therapy but it is the USA I guess where you have the highest depression rates in the world. Moby is nice to anyone and they need a political movement to get them to speak corteuosly to each other
@@NoPlus500 Yeah, maybe I didn't explain it thoroughly enough. Equine therapy teaches transferable skills. It teaches empathy, gives people meaning, teaches people emotional regulation, etc. It seems cooky, I get it. However, equine therapy has shown to be efficacious especially with prison inmates and recitivism rates. I suspect, however, that these people are just doing whatever sounds nice and not following a regimen that actually helps. The only efficacious data I have seen, albeit preliminary, has been long term bonding with a specific horse that is not broken in and is especially difficult to bond with.
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So retraining people to get on with horses animal magnetism I guess. So what it works but it does not make people understand themselves and others too to survive life. You must be an American
@@NoPlus500 as if being American is an insult
I wrote it once and I'm gonna repeat myself. In terms of rehab money will not buy you better treatment. AA, AN, AG, those are proven to work and are free. Once you have motivation you can recover free of charge.
Not true you need detox especially coming off benzos unless you wanna die
@@americannightmare2109 true. Of course, physical dependency can be a problem in case if certain substances, but that's purely medical problem not psychological. You wouldn't treat cancer with psychotherapy so you shouldn't treat dependency this way either. You wouldn't also go to some witch to treat those.
But first of all, all those rehab places didn't have any medical devices, those take in people who are already after the detox. And once you detoxed the quality of the therapy you get at this rehab is not better than what you get in the church's basement. Well, it's a great idea to seek help from professionals but that doesn't make you any more likely to stay off drugs or alcohol. AA etc have therapeutic value over long period of time for multitude of reasons.
So, it is what it is. The most important factor is the motivation to get better of a sick person. Once there is motivation you can get world's best therapy, free of charge.
*I'm not gonna say there are no shortcomings in the program, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing else works better anyway.
In the beginning there were mushrooms.
Micro dosing has been super helpful.
Next to impossible to find a psychiatrist that won’t pass out meds? Have you looked to the VA? I got anti-histamines for severe anxiety linked to PTSD.
What people dont know is that in patient rehab for anyone is about $1000 a day 30,000 a month FOR NORMAL REHAB. It's all a ripoff
Tender Loving Mercy ran by Timothy Mcmahan in Oceanside California is the most foul corrupt program. Absolutely terrifying place.
Man that first rehab owner is so aggressive 😬
He is high on adarol running a recovery center 😂
blow. 100%
On sumthn most definitely
Probably both Adderall and Coke.
Meth
Ready to start my own sober retreat
"If you acquire an addiction in America today, you are f**ked"
😂😂😂 the honest truth, unless your a millionaire!!
even millionaires are in deep shit
$73,000 a month : so that the owner can pay for his coke addiction
The intro funny asf 😂😂😂 uhh because I was strung out 😂😂😂
$73K monthly? That's ridiculous. You can feed a lot of hungry people on that and sponsor students for their education 😬
4:36 looks like he threw on a dress shirt, never wears dress shirts; and is definitely on one. He can’t stop touching his face! 🤣
Watching a pony pee is so therapeutic...
As an addict in recovery, having been to treatment. The facility is only the jump start. The real work, the real commitment to recovery comes from working the steps and being part of a 12 step fellowship. I went to rehab once, the 30 days helped me with the withdrawals and after walking out the doors, getting a sponsor, starting the steps, being in meetings and then yes. That is where the foundation of recovery is. I’m so grateful for Narcotics Anonymous because that fellowship is saving my life because it’s about a 180 change. I don’t agree with a lot of this video. The opinion of a non addict doing this shit on the real struggle of what recovery looks like. Not cute Vice.
I wish you luck in your recovery ❤️
I also agree. Addiction isnt a joke. It's a disease. Help ...
Dude seems like he's high on something himself.
I wonder if it’s a lot of placebo that this all works if it works
Best thing vice has put out on quite a while
I struggle with a marijuana addiction. My biggest issue with it is thinking about the price it's going to cost me over my lifetime if I don't quit. However after my parents and I looked at passages Malibu, I realized a month of rehab would be at least 25-30years in price of my weed habit/addiction. I instantly felt a lot better about my addiction lol.
Addiction is a mental health issue and needs to be treated as such. It's not a lack of control. That said, these "rehab" facilities are absurd! We need universal healthcare that includes mental health care services for all and to destigmatize and decriminalize addiction. Rich people can afford a place like this while poor people end up incarcerated for struggling with addiction.
Not here in Europe. Treatment and post-treatment care is all free ;) Cheers
I did 12 months in county jail due to a heroin charge. This jail offered no rehabilitation services except a once a week NA or AA meeting. Incarceration does not help addicts it only keeps putting them through the system with no way out.
What's a convicted felon with a drug charge gonna do for work when he gets out? No one wants to hire a felon.
@@uglyhobo4602 your choice to do heroin u suffer the consequences but for someone who never touched the stuff why should we cater to u I'm in a custody battle with a heroin addict so I feel no remorse
@@uglyhobo4602 I'm very sorry that happened to you. The incarceration of people that struggle with addiction is beyond deplorable. We need affordable, hospital based treatment facilities. Not cages.
@@elaynaaubreygonzo3744 why should I cater to people that get cancer? I've never had my cells mutate to create a tumor that replicates without stopping.
^^that's an abused comment. Obviously we should treat people with cancer. So why is a mental health diagnosis any different? Addiction is an illness, not a choice.
If people like you weren't so judgmental about addiction, maybe we'd see a more loving a just society.
It’s just all for the money. They see desperate vulnerable people needing help and they capitalize on it. My friend who is now my barber I met through rehab since he was near the area I was located in and I booked him. He told me that the owner of the rehab I was in which costed 20K he would ask him for drugs cause he slanged dope on the side lol, though he understands and doesn’t do that around me. I believe it. It’s an evil business where they see your condition as a money sign.
I went to a 12 step based rehab program 5 years ago. It wasnt expensive like these in the video. But it wasnt cheap. Without insurance its 10,000. With insurance it was 3000. Which was for 45 days. I've been sober ever since
Been to rehab, it didn't work unfortunately. Tried shrooms & they weren't potent enough. Psychiatrist & therapy is the move currently... shroom trip on the way again I've only heard good things in helping addiction, depression / anxiety, OCD, etc.
The first guy is super shady like come on 73 grand a month for what to sit in a room all day and not get help. No wonder why these celebrities and so many other people r dying
VICE. Thank you for posting something not useless and stupid
The video crew's salary costs more than this guy's explanation of rehab.
The guarantee of sobriety is because by the time they leave they don’t even have the money to buy drugs anymore 💀💀
What the dude said in the beginning so true. The poor have a better chance at recovery. 12 step was the beginning of my recovery and rich people dont usually go deep enough to change for real. Really got to got to hit a bottom to change everything.
Bunch of crooks. *sips on his pint of vodka*
@M S I'm hungover today. Going to buy another pint after work though and do it all over again.
Lol
@@sadboi3204 drinking a pint right now.
AA is successful because it relies on the addicts willingness to get better. Forcing people to go to rehab is useless. They have to want to go and to get better. Also AA has a support system that rehab systems lack. A good rehab treatment is Marine Corps boot camp. You have no time for yourself except 1 hour in the evening. Then its sleep, wake up, work out, get yelled at all day and repeat.
Another blatant representation of "No money, in the cure."
He should be a politician, amazing at lying and squeezing out as much money as possible from people.
All of these patients have been misdiagnosed...
While these rehabs cost a lot, they also give them everything they need and they still relapse. Cant fault the facility for that. Many have doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, dieticians, counselors, priests. What else should they do? They need to pay those salaries and rent and food, medicine, taking them on outings.
I went to rehab, my insurance paid for 30 days. I saw the bill and it was 30k$ for the 32 days. Did I think it was worth 1000$ a day, I don't think so. But it was good to go to a place to get away from the drugs even if it was for 30 days. I suppose if you have money you can always find the expensive choice for any decision you're making.
Going to a fancy rehab won’t work. You have to have the courage to put yourself out of your comfort zone and get real. Going to a resort, making sure you’re very comfortable...is not going to put you where you need to be. I credit anyone trying to help themselves but I’m not sure this is how to do it.
Brilliant, please do more.
Alot of these people went to rehab because they are broke and there family won't give them any more money and force them into treatment. You will never get clean no matter how expensive the treatment is if you don't want it. Then they get out and the family gives them what they have left to help them get on there feet and the relapse. Ive been clean 3 years and it took me 3 times in treatment so over 180 days. I know people whos grandma refinanced there house to send them to rehab. To find out they died of an overdose a week out of treatment. Very sad how people take advantage of people with a disease.
It might be easy to say but Psychiatric Rehab is one of the hardest fields for Treatment.
So creepy how that guy says 'right?'
7:56 shows the main step to sobriety
Wrong Diagnosis wrong prognosis...
What is the channel?
You have the same chance of maintaining sobriety following any old two-week long vacation that removes you from a drug environment as you do going to a rehab program. When unbiased research was done on the efficacy of rehabs in the US, it was found that only 5 to 7% of people maintain sobriety for the year following treatment. There's a reason most rehabs don't do studies on their efficacy, and that's because they know it would be dismal; but for those that do actually do studies, their data is pretty scewed in their favor. The clients that respond to the studies are most likely going to be the only ones that have maintained sobriety, as the clients that haven't are more likely to not be able to be reached, dismissive of anything to do with rehab, likely to be embarrassed, etc. So in general, the studies end up not only having small participant pools, the successful group almost always heavily outbumbers the unsuccessful one. The rehabs that do these types of studies are the ones that boast about their high success rates. It's all BS.
The main thing that rehabs provide is removing people from their normal environments. Being out of your environment strongly reduces cravings and brings you out of your everyday habits. It's usually those that have the strength to change that will stay clean, with or without rehab. Rehab can teach you all it wants. It can't give you a sustained inner strength when you go home. And honestly, studies have shown that the overwhelming majority of people with addictions get clean on their own between their mid twenties to early thirties. It's typically only those with the most severe cases of addiction that end up going to rehab in the first place, so of course they'd be the least likely to maintain sobriety. Psychologists will tell people that addiction requires rehab, but they suffer from clinician's bias, in that they only see the worst cases, so they generalize that level of addiction to all addicts. Addiction is a spectrum and not all addicts are the same. Even their drug of choice influences how they respond to treatment (i.e.: heroin users are more antisocial and get less benefit from group therapy, whereas alcohol users usually benefit greatly). There absolutely needs to be more actual research done into addiction, but even if there is, it'll be funded by big pharma so then more pharmaceuticals will be thrown around as treatment.
Being able to develop inner strength to change is the key to sobriety, and in all honesty, if someone needs help, one-on-one cognitive behavioral therapy is a better and cheaper alternative to traditional rehab. Sobriety isn't a one-size-fits-all thing and working individually with someone who holds you accountable is so beneficial. The only problem is that it doesn't bring you out of your environment, so it's not a foolproof plan. If a program were developed using the CBT model that also enabled you to be out of your everyday environment, it would be a great start to improving the current system. Additionally, a lot of addicts don't have crippling addictions and they may avoid treatment because they don't want to give up their drug of choice all together. Some people just want to learn how to use responsibly, like with alcohol for example. There are new, emerging programs that teach people personal responsibility and moderation in their substance use, it's called "moderation management," and it's a great way to get a bunch of folks with mild addictions into therapy to help improve their lives and to help them to not fall deeper down the rabbit hole. I'm super excited to see how it develops in the future.
If you have an addiction, remember rehab does work for some folks - it's just that it's not the only option. Do your own research into alternatives. I know Google is flooded with paid pages that promote traditional rehab programs, but trust me, the alternatives are there. Find what you think would work best for you. AA/NA usually have the same sobriety rates as tradtional rehabs, although they do work for some people. But at the end of the day, your inner-strength for self-improvement is what will make the difference in any method you choose. And if you decide to go down the medication route (i.e.: Vivitrol or any injectables), please do yourself a favor and read the FDA labels for the drugs which are available online - they have some horrific side effects that strongly outweigh the benefits. And always remember, after some time clean, any relapse comes with the greatest chance of ODing, as most ODs occur due to your decreased tolerance and habit of using a certain amount previously.
Thanks for reading and be safe out there everyone! 🌻
America desperately needs public healthcare
Haha then we'll be in the same crap as the UK nah
@@elaynaaubreygonzo3744 u mean that crap where u don't go bankrupt if u get a rare health condition or an accident?
@@elaynaaubreygonzo3744 whilst the NHS is far from perfect, in comparison to America it pretty much is..
Curious what you think is "crap" about UK healthcare?
@@sunsetlive5655 how rare is that though and even the waiting lines in canada is crazy when u actually need helthcare and the fact we get taxed 70% of my check it's cheaper for me to get my own healthcare an Obamacare was the worst
@@handingloveif I can get better healthcare from my job an I'm not paying for someone else's
what is swinging a pool noddle around animals going to do? poor girls still looked high. People get addictions for a reason not because they got bored one day and thought "oh yeah, lets take meth".
They face hardship, struggle to cope with these things and turn to drugs to make it all feel better.
So again how the hell is waving a pool noodle around going to help some over come an addiction, their are actually getting these people to talk about whats making them feel so shit that they need to take the pain away with drugs.
You’re gonna use what ever you use until YOU decide to stop. It’s that simple.
73000 a month? Thats ingenious you wont have any money to spend on drugs
It's a great hustle.
The place I went to in West Palm Beach was $21,500 out of pocket, plus $1,500 for detox, which I paid all out of pocket since I don't have insurance. It was a really nice place, but the whole industry is bull shit. Since I was self pay, they only drug tested me once a week, but the people who were going through insurance, they were drug tested every other day, because the rehab would charge the insurance a ridiculous amount of money per test, even though they only probably cost $10 each. All the therapy and shit is bull shit, all it is is they babysit you for a month and hope you stay clean when you get out. Quitting drugs is all about will power. You either do it or you don't, no one else to blame. Yeah there is support, like AA or NA, but that's all it is, support. No one can quit doing it for you but yourself. The only difference between the expensive places and cheap places is level of comfort. I went to a shitty place the first time, and it was miserable going through that process in such shitty conditions.
That's disgusting.
The private rehab industry is one of the shadiest industries in the country. In order for the money to keep flowing in, there needs to be a steady stream of addicts in need of help.. if rehabs were so effective that they actually helped to cure patients of their addictions then there wouldn’t be much of a business because. It’s basically like the rest of the American health care system.. it’s all designed to manage symptoms and not actually cure illnesses.. if everyone who got sick was able to easily go see a doctor and be cured.. the current healthcare system as we know it would collapse. It’s very unfortunate that this is the system we have in place
The guy of the rehab house is a joke
Omgawd!! Who is this guy? And where is this place!! How can you run a rehab when you can't even manage to answer a few questions? Sad and pathetic 🙁
The only thing that actually works for addiction is a complete change in the way you view the world and your problems and even then it's still a tough road. This is why AA had some success. It tries to retrain you to see things in a different way but this is all easier said than done. Anything claiming to fix addiction in a week or two is straight bullshit. It really takes an epiphany in some form to break free of it.
Who goes to the 4 seasons for 30 days? 🤣🤣🤣
If you make health a business don't be surprised that there are people trying to make money out of it.
The problem is not these people, the problem is privatisation of healthcare
6:32 Cameraman gets comedic timing 😂That's office level jokes
Nah fam 80 dollars of LSD is the only therapy I used and It saved my life.
He pulled a Biden on not finishing a thought .. 😂
Anyone that guarantees sobriety is full of shit. Case in point is Megan, it's her third time in the place what happened to her guarantee. I love to ask him would he offer a refund with that guarantee, i think we all know the answer to that one.
Noone should have access to this because it is a SCAM
Oh my god, the rehab owner is lying so much
“Rich people are more fucked”
What a nice way to say
‘Because of our privilege, we have it worse’