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- Hundreds of thousands of people have taken to the streets in Germany. It’s the largest social movement in the country in decades. In cities and towns large and small, protestors have been demonstrating against the far right, to advocate for an open society and to protect their democracy. And yet, supporters of Germany’s biggest far-right party seem undaunted, with more people than ever joining the organization. How dangerous is the AfD? What is causing such anger within mainstream society? And how resilient is Germany’s democracy? On To the Point we ask: Defiance in Germany: Can mass protests stop the far right?
00:00 Opener
01:37 The foundation of German democracy is at stake
02:50 The crowds at the protests are very diverse
03:50 There’s a rise of far-right-parties in many European countries
06:30 It’s now getting clearer what the AfD stands for
07:25 Democracy worldwide is in decline
08:30 People now realize how powerful the AfD really is
10:00 Is Germany seeing parallels with the Weimar Republic era?
14:00 The recession, wars and inflation are challenging German politics
15:20 AfD is presenting simple solutions with an attractive narrative
18:30 There is widespread discontent with the German government
21:30 There are similarities between extremists in Germany and the U.S.
22:15 Banning the AfD would be very tricky. Similar efforts have failed before
24:00 Democratic parties must show more presence on the ground
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Because tired of far-left policies.
what 'far left policies ' ? Which parties do you mean? the FDP?...or the SPD?.....not even DIE GRÜNEN want to change the economical system! So! -- no clue what you talking about!
are the German news networks even talking about the latest train and airline strikes ? I have not seen anything on WELT or Heute. Why?
It's no good blaming far-right and AFD now. It is time to look back and see why traditional parties lost voters' trust and learn from their mistakes. The main issue with centre-left and left-wing politicians is that they worry more about political correctness than issue-solving. I assume a big chunk of German voters are not happy with the current immigration and integration. It is an uncomfortable topic to address, but it must be addressed to prevent the rise of the far right. At the end of the day, voters are behind ADF. Parties should explore/investigate why part of German society voted for them and what needs to be done to get their vote back.
if you ask what people want they literally say they want the expulsion of some portions of society. what is there to investigate?
Did ADF mention that at their election rally? No. What parties need to investigate why part of society dislikes immigration? What issues does immigration bring, and how can we address those issues promptly and effectively. I believe ADF promised to address those issues, but they didn't tell us their methods. At the same time, left-wing politicians are failing to see that, and we have the outcome. Even DW failed to look into voters' reasons and just faffed about green energy, the war in Ukraine, and the energy crisis.
@@kinngrimmwell it is obvious that AfD it is not left wing. You clearly don't understand what I am trying to say. You are protesting against fascist and that's fine. You can ban these fascists, but you won't ban the voters are you? You don't even know who they are. People who voted AfD will vote for the same ultra right wing party again. What I am suggesting is to see what AfD promised on their pre-election rally and where mainstream parties failed and how to get votes back from AfD.
A lot of people lost trust in politics, but only some of them turn to a party, parts of which are anti-democratic.
Losing voters doesn't mean that party members meet and discuss how to remove German with foreign background..... This party is the problem and must be blamed....
Why would mass protests stop the far right? Isn't it up to voters to vote for or against "far right" parties? Also, protestors only represent the loudest most organized groups in society, not society as a whole.
They have the right to protest, and far right voters are loud too.
If anything it’s antagonistic and harmful. How many times has a stranger shouting on the street changed your mind?
Protests do not have any input. Decisions happen by voting.
The far right has already won in Germany 😂
Not even close.
I hope mass protests can stop the WEF.
How come DW never warns us of the impending dangers of the far left? OH. RIGHT.
What are the dangers?
What are these dangers?
Which far left? Do you have names?
Because that's the narrative DW is trying to feed, extremism exist on the left spectrum as well, yet that elephant on the room was not discussed as much as the right due to who else can be a better villain than 3rd reich and its post war inspired movements, by the least something that bears the slightest reference of old times.
@@Yuyayayu872 I think he's afraid of same sex marriage maybe he's gay IDK
It's never a good idea to suppress or alienate a fellow citizen just because they think differently from you. Invite them and debate them in public and let the public vote.
yeah let's sit down with tee and have a chat about mass deportation..
Their positions are unreasonable and people like this are prone to lying and manipulation.
@@LPDani123 yeah thats a good idea
@@LPDani123 The concept of democracy sounds great until it's put in practice. Banning or suppressing your neighbor's right to vote means that you don't trust the democratic institutions.
Says... an extreme right sympathizer?
No the protests won't stop the far right. But a stricter migration policy and a more reasonable economical approach will.
Ideologies can only be be stopped with more education.
If only the politicians had thought of this radical new idea of "addressing the people's worries/problems"
The same way how Denmark stopped far right
In many ways, a repetition of social constraints happens when the economy struggles a large part of society.
As an American, when I hear "threat to democracy", I immediately discount it as politicking. This rhetoric has been exhausted throughout American and European politics. I don't personally find any issue with any European nation trying to preserve their ethnic and historical culture. Not every nation needs to be an American melting pot. Apologies for exporting this nonsense lol
since when does the threat to American democracy have anything to do with America being a - successful and dependent - melting pod?
You mean the country that has the largest economy in the world and is perhaps the only remaining superpower hasn't benefited from immigration and individualism? Complete nonsense!
"Threat to democracy" nowadays means "threat to liberalism". Democracy itself is working as intended, that's what they have a problem with.
@@AN31DO01RR96Surely the immense size, brutal work ethic, rich resources, and being the only Western country that wasn't destroyed by a world war in the past century don't have anything to do with it, but go off I guess
No, this is not politicking nor American rhetoric. When massive amounts of people take to the streets they perceive the threat to be real. We've been dealing with an extreme right wing party in Belgium for decades. Now they are the biggest party in Flanders. People vote for these parties out of frustration and dissatisfaction with the current system. This party scapegoats immigrants, who are the most vulnerable and powerless people in society, but have zero clue on how to govern. When talking about healthcare, education, housing they have no answers. All these parties sing the same song and sound exactly alike. Immigrants are not responsible for Belgians not having enough children and unless they want to work in they're 70's or 80's (which they do not) they'll have to accept immigration. As far as culture is concerned, the west is a mono culture and extremely diverse. We steal from everybody's culture. We eat foods from India, China or anywhere else on the planet. Jazz, Blues, Rock, Reggae, Hip Hop etc.. are not European inventions and we love them. Fortunately in Belgium in a multi party system other parties can refuse and have refused to work with this party, unfortunately this may no longer be the case. Trump did not create this, he simply took this over and amplified it. Perhaps it's us Europeans who owe Americans an apology for this vile ideology.
Can any of you smart arses at DW tell me 1 single AfD official policy that can be considered to be FAR RiGHT???? Being against mass uncontrolled immigation is not far right.
Deporting German citizens with a foreign background is absolutely far-right
So if its time for Germany's rightwing benefactors i suggest to establish a significant rightwing media network which unlike dw isnt a puppet mouthpiece of wef and UsA.
@@vwgames49That never happened. A country cannot deport its own citizens.
@@badabinbadaboom7338 That’s what the AfD is proposing and that’s why people are protesting
Are you even paying attention to the situation?
@@vwgames49 You clearly belive the lies told about the AfD. Paying attention ??? Wake up!!!!
How about just voting like normal?
Do you want to ban peaceful demonstrations? Elections are not every year.
They only believe in democracy when their candidates are in power.
DW trying to paint a picture. But then I read the comments and got to see the real picture😂😂😂
The comments that fit your picture, do you think? Because I see both sides here.
@@arnodobler1096 Exactly, there are both sides present here. Not sure what this guy is talking about finding some kind of "real picture" in some youtube comment sections.
No, the commenters are not representaive of the german society.
It's strange to ask a specialist from the UK why the Germans from small cities go to protest against the far right..... I think they should ask the Germans why they do it.... I am also wondering that DW always ask British "specialist" about topics which are important regarding security for Germany. Is it a language problem that they don't find German specialist? I don't think so...
Thats what dw does, always brown nosing to foreign anglo influence germany is just vasal of anglo -americanism for them since 1945. Note all these dw news readers have either american or british accents, all trained and studied in english speaking nations.
are the German news networks even talking about the latest train and airline strikes ? I have not seen anything on WELT or Heute. Why?
Can you just vote like a democracy, instead of trying to intimidate and censor like a dictatorship?
Protesters are part of democracy.
the undemocratic is the AFD!!
Intimitate? Censor?
You mean like the AfD wants to intimidate and censor? You right now: 🤡
Democracy? Can Germany hold a referendum to expel the US army?
How is this bigger news than the huge agricultural protests taking place in Germany and across Europe? Which till now I have not seen DW report on yet at length. As a journalist in The Times put it ‘It seems to be Far Right to grow food these days’
are the German news networks even talking about the latest train and airline strikes ? I have not seen anything on WELT or Heute. Why?
“How is the AFD a threat to democracy” “well because it’s a popular party that is a threat to democracy” nice way to completely evade the question
No,Afd is increasing its voter base...So DW journalists far right gaining strength in your own backyard...
I hope that AFD has more and more support, and Germany has a great future. Of course, from now on everyone will appeal to discredit them and demonize them, without accepting because the rest of the parties have lost the trust of a large percentage of the population.
Great: divine, large, historically pertinent, i.e.: Catherine the Great.
I think I'd rather appeal to those who wonder about your use of grammar and if it is indeed as strategic as it looks.
I suspect Sun Tzu which means I suspect grand jealousy.
never AFD
I don't see how the AfD can be something good for the future of germany. They have so many unrealistic political demnands, which do not fit into the current frame of time, they mostly will support the rich people with their political program and they ask for quite some inhumane demands to be implemented into the system.
AFD is the only hope for Germany. The rest are leftist globalists
Couldn't agree more!...👍
Wanting a safer German society free from men from savage cultures with different ethics amd values isn't far right
Amen!
It is far right
Please read my comment
@@Preetvndno it is not far right. In Nordic countries social democrates have solved that issue. .
So true!!!
Right is right end left is woke make you broke😂
how about listening to the voters instead of throwing people in prison for speaking their mind
who speaks about throwing people in prison? The connection that gave reason to this uprise though conspired towards violent deportations and has ties to the "Reichsbürger" that dream of violent insurrection.
That techno opening hits hard Javier
Track id?
@@rewand3951 anyone got that track I’d
The more you alienate and demonise them the more bold they will be if you don’t wanna reason with them then you’ll just end up being taken down as you try to with them
You're right. We should look to history to find out what worked the last time the far right came into power in Germany.
yeah, because underscoring the status quo has always been defiance... duh
How about addressing their grievances?
Indeed
Their grievances? No. We have talked about them for 10 years. Now we talk about the grievances of the vast majority of germans. Ther are some, and on the top of the list right now is:
If people orgganize a conference at the Wannsee to discuss the deportation oif millions of germans, they have crossed an important line need to be stopped. By any means neccassary. There is no debate. There is no disussion or middle ground.
@@guidobolke5618 You assume it's a binary choice - "deport everyone or do nothing". You could start working on the immigration problem so the support for the extremists drops, you know....
@@timecorn No I I don't assume it's binary and Yes. I agree that working on problems with immigration is a good idea. 🙂
But I don't see how this would change the support for AfD.
@@guidobolke5618 not everyone who supports the party is an extremist. Some just don't have anyone else offering a solution. If more parties addressed the immigration concerns the extremists will find themselves rather lonely.
Far-left extremist demonstration.
what makes them "far" right?
If you're proposing to expel an ethnic group, or a lingual group, you're far right.
@@Dam-a-fence but that groups aren't citizens of Germany
@@Loreless
And?
Germany has a border, laws, extradition treaties.
No excuses I can see in sight.
The fact that if you tell a lie frequently enough, people will believe it.
They oppose the constitution, they want to change the democratic system.
For an Independent Texas!!! The People's Republic of Texas!!!
Texas is only great because of migration from other states, if you become a republic it will fail.
Germany for Germans and Europe for Europeans...!!
Interesting that you guys are covering this protest so much while Farmers are protesting day in and day out in multiple EU countries and your coverage was minimal.
are the German news networks even talking about the latest train and airline strikes ? I have not seen anything on WELT or Heute. Why?
why go protest when you can vote to protect ur 'democracy' lol
The scandal being about migration, I am surprised that the video did not discuss migration at all, at least they could have shown graphs with how many Germans are satisfied with current migration policy and how many Germans see migration as an crucial issue, which would hepl to provide more context for the analysis.
are the German news networks even talking about the latest train and airline strikes ? I have not seen anything on WELT or Heute. Why?
What constitutes far right.
Sounds more like dissatisfaction against weak economy and leadership.
The mass Protests? Nope!
Afd looks great! Please vote for afd, Germans! I am from India and i know the problem of using Turkish hordes
Can anyone define "far right"?
Anybody an angstrom to the right of whomever is using the term.
So everyone who is Eurosceptic is far right? 😮😮
Search for DW story on "FAR LEFT " demonstrations? LOL
Was also going to ask this, you never see "far left" used as a term. Guess media doesn't look left, only right 🤣
@@David-kg5nn What are you talking about? Please name a successfull far left party in germany that is treatening democracy right now. Name just one.
there is no "far left" organisation threatening the future of our society. And "populist left" = Sahra Wagenknecht needs to get opposed by arguments and exposed lies.
@@David-kg5nn You can't name just one. Come on.... name a far-left party in Deutschland that threatens democracy.
@@mabus4910 You're talking about banning AfD while blaming "far right" parties for threatening democracy. Sounds like you don't know what democracy means, or maybe you don't know what threatening means.
The terms nazism, fascism, communism are now 100 years old. Are we needed revised terms to undestand what is going on globally?
if you really want not the AFD to rise, start toning down your policies including everybody and not just the people that thinks like you. It's simple. Otherwise, that other people you ram their throats with your ideology will get tired and vote an extremist party to tone you back down
yeah throughout history extrimists partys are known for toning things down, right...
No, that's just the narrative or justification that the AfD offers to it's voters as to why it is ok to vote for an extremist party. That many people think this is enough is mind bogling to me.
Can AfD defund DW?
Is PBS in the states the 1st public broadcast service?
The name of the video should really be "Can government organized protests against a popular political party subvert democracy?"
Were the protesters “Far Left?” Love the dramatic music!
Normal people
I like the techno music in the background, very fitting
You go Germany!
Go down the drain 😂
Remember, the title of this picture asked a question.
You need a variety of opinions on panels like these. Bring someone from the far right to speak on their behalf. That way we can compare and come to our own decision.
lol no
They don’t want open dialogue. Nothing that will contest their narrative
Nobody wants to be with them. They smell.
Communication is always a solution. The government in Germany supports a radical right aggressiv (some of them Fascist) in another country with weapons to force their occupation but go to the street as oppose the right wing in the own land! This will reflect sooner or later on the people
Procedure, democracy and rule of law were your ( our) symbols and values, so now be brave to face the risks and consequences of those values. Democracy: people gather ballots, people vote the outcome , the votes are counted, apply proportionality formulas then it is what it is. Democracy is just the mechanism of your own political architecture, so don't panic.
😂 Sorry, but this is a very simplified describtion of democracy.
@@juliarichter6987 why? At the end of the day is the idea that you taught in schools, and to foreign nations. And the reason why you criticize non aligned countries in the media . Notice you don't articulate what is the mechanism that replace the "naive"one i am proposing.
@@jsrjsr I am a teacher. Be assured we don't teach our students that democracy is what you described above.
@@juliarichter6987 interesting. So you dont teach that democracy has to do with the mechanism of voting for deciding the ruling party through vote. Then, what is democracy according to you? And what is,if any,the role of voting on that system?
@@jsrjsr It's part of a democracy that people can make an informed decision when voting, this means an approbiate education system and a free press are parts of a democracy, too. It's part of a democracy, that you can challenge the outcome of the elections in a court, etc, etc.
✊️ FIGHT THE POWER!!
I haven't been to any of these protests yet, but I'm also worried what the AfD might do to us Polish people who live legally and peacefully here in Germany since many decades, since we are the second largest foreign ethnic group in the country, now also including Ukrainians.
They complain about 'hate' from the right, and they are full of hate.
Is Chaos better than countries with strong leaders which you call autocracies
What far right?
Which far right?
Far right, open society... wow, what sentiment.
I'm more interested in WHY the "Far Right" are planning to do what you claim they want to do
Maybe, just maybe, they have a point
Then you can negotiate and meet somewhere in the middle
I do not know what the AfD will do, but all other parties had already their chance to solve the problems and failed definitely.
Electing again the same parties who failed and expecting a different outcome would be pure idiocy.
All over the would they are called patriots, only in Germany they are the far right! Hilarious 😂
We in America support far left ideas
@@jdarst100not in Texas and Florida, for example.
@@cineffectBecause both Texas and Florida have been only recently colonized, after 1850s. Insecure Settlers usually support jingoist and far-right politics.
faaaaaaaaaar right
Should we ban FAR-LEFT as well?
How about just not voting for those that you do not like?
If the majority of Germans choose AfD, is it democracy?
or democracy is just when certain parties win elections?
Which far left?
@@guidobolke5618 By definition, whenever there is a far-something, there must be a far-another, because the center is shifted to one side or the other. In the case of Germany, the far-left is Die Linke. Die Linke has roots in East Germany's ruling Socialist Unity Party (SED) before reunification. It advocates for higher taxes on the wealthy, stronger "give money away" programs, and huge government control over the economy. They support the nationalization of key industries, such as energy, and advocate for strong labor rights and protections, so they are far-left.
@@DanZech Why would anyone not want far left if that is true
@@jdarst100 my point is not the ideology debate, but the right to come to the public debate with whatever idea you have. Majority will vote. If a group is selecting what is allowed and what is not allowed, it is not democracy.
Being worried about the far right without lifting a eye lid on far left activities
Which far left?
Warning: YT has censored my comments on this video despite merely being an alternative view and not violating their T&c's or "community guidelines"...they didn't like me exposing the lies on this episode.
Not TH-cam is censoring, it is the channel moderators, so I guess it is some poor Deutsche Welle intern sitting there scared with diverse background …
Scary times are ahead
They are.
This was an especially goood TtP. Katja Hoyer is such a pleasure to listen to. The whole discussion was very informative and intellectually stimulating. Thanks, DW!
To answer the headline of the video: no, the protests will make the opposition stronger. Same thing happened to trump.
Yes.
You got also ppl there who beat up ppl with the wrong flag 🇵🇸
Well maybe it would be a tremendously good idea to look in to, what make people wanna vote AFD?
I live and work in Germany for ten years my daughter has German citizenship my wife has German citizenship the landkris ask me to go and do DNA tests before they allow me to sign father shaft zorgorex I have all those documents I lost my family for nothing because of those kind of people working in offices in Germany
23:28 No it hasn't then such a stamp, thats not how logic works. Any time afterwards the AfD or any other party for that matter would do something that then actually would be unconstitutional and leading to the abolishment of democracy or its institutions, that then again is reason for yet another constitutional court case. *Being a democratic party is not something to achive, but something to constantly strive for* .
Sofar i don't see that strive shining within the AfD very brightly.
Jeder sagt "Nie Wieder ist jetzt!"
für mich hat sich nichts geändert😕
All parties with no delay should come together against any far-right group or party. 🤔-bmd
Votes decide the outcome, not a protest.
You forgot to invite specialist from US and Israel...Germany have two wings,IS&UK and the pilot US
What can the far right do if they not in power?
These demonstrations are fine, and may look “huge”-but do the demonstrators really represent the “majority?”….If not, the AFD can NOT be marginalized…That is DEMOCRACY.
No, of course they are the majority. And no, democracy is not only that the majority gets it's will. For good reasons there are rules (consitution) an limits for this will of the najoriry in a democracy. if a party doesn't follow these rules it can be ejected from the process.
This has been happening very obviously for over two decades, like a slow moving train crash.
Brandon Bohrn is handsome, my type of guy.
No they cant.
Germany dyed blue!!💍💎🔮🔵🔷💙🎵🎶
What constitutes "Far right extremism" in 2024? Farmers? Patriots?
Money can stop anything.
So you don't have any far left parties? Is there any centrist left party even left?
Students where forced to go to the protests as part of there school program
State media employees, too. In Düsseldorf the WDR intranet almost ordered them to participate.
Iis there any proof?
sounds like these Mill Gates Microchips that would get implanted with vaccines...
@@nichtmeinkrieg4459 So, just like in the "good old days" of communist regimes, then.
Also, the earth is flat. Lol!
Depends on how determined the people are, a mass protest can stop everything, except China, coz they have more mass.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If in a Democratic System
- People can't do anything to stop
- Genocide/Apartheid/Fascism
- Successful System or Failed System?
Three "quality reliant" questions, One, I hope. I truly hope it's only one, the first one.
Does Germany pretend non voters don't exist and if it does, does it do the same with elected people who don't vote and if not, does it claim to be an equal society?
In North America, non voters are not included as abstained voters and those their so called equals elect get included for not voting, as abstained voters.
One group included for the same action that excludes another.
Is that the way it is there too?
If so, I found your answer, to how it got so powerful.
It didn't. More people aren't voting for anyone because everyone playing is just playing.
The lefts east is Berlin wall is growing back?? 😂
Yes it can! The people decide what stays and what doesn't, not the government. The government is a representative of the people, and they do what it is best for and what the people choose.
What about those who do support it?? It's not democracy if my party don't win that's your way of thinking...
The "people" are not just the left buddy stop trying generalize everyone in your way of thinking.
But there are limits even to the will of the people. if a party goes beyond that they become uncostitutional.
@guidobolke5618 in a party there are a few members. They can never defeat a whole country. I'm from an ex-communist country, and I know Germany is going in that direction as well, but still if the people decide to stop working the whole economy collapses, if the people decide to take the goverment down they will
@@user-wc8lw9km4w Of course. but that's not the situation in Germany. Here it is that a minority tries to destabilize the country to gain voters to eventually overturn the system and deport anyone they don't like. I don't see why such a party should be allowed to operate in Germany.. .
@@user-wc8lw9km4w Maybe I misunderstand you, but especially the bolshevik and nationalsocialists were minority parties that took power and defeated multiple countries.
I can't reemember an instance where a people actually managed to organize a general strike. Poland? And the people don't decide. They can't and they are a plurality.
ROFL FARRRR RIGHT.. YEAH OKAY BUD
It seems like there are many in Germany that will fit very well in the fascist government of Pootin! It’s close enough > Russia, why don’t they move?
Years of backwards policies and politicians not listening to people has led to this
Are farmers considered far right in Germany?
Maybe listen to them instead of shutting them down?
they have air time on every public station as any other party
I have listened enough to this political party of AfD, with a lot of unrealistic political demands and also very inhuman demands.
@@RuLeZ1988 Isn't that just your own judgment? You chose to judge people. Yet you think you are a better person.
@@hiddenname9809 I am not better than anyone. It is how I personally perceive the political program of the AfD party. I mean, let's look at one of their demands, to focus on Germany problems only by separating from the EU as a country and neglecting the global problems. In today's frame time where a lot of problems are globally connected to each other this vision by the AfD is unrealistic. Another unrealistic demand is, to believe that you can make people have more sex in a modern society like Germany to make more children. Every modern society with a modern social system and good living conditions has usually people involved who do not want many children anymore. For that reason people immigrating from other countries are a crucial requirement for the economic efficiency and the social system. And let's not talk about all the constant populistic comments in the public by high standing AfD party members just to get the public attention instead of really trying to solve the core problems. I mean let's face it, the main political program by the AfD party is to deport immigrants from Germany and promoting this political demand as if this would solve a lot of problems in Germany. Even if the AfD party would only aim to deport criminal immigrants, it would not solve for example the education problem with some teachers struggling to do their work, as the AfD party does promote and lie to a lot of people. There are so many other examples the AfD party publicly promotes which sound as a simple solution because you can pin point your finger on one "problem" group of people, yet by that neglecting the real complex global world that exists.
The comments are alarming!
I thought the protests where on the right
don’t drink the Kool aid! 👍🏽
8:30
Speaker: Democrats have to win every elections, every 4-5 years depending which country you're in autocrats have to win once...
Me: How can you tell who is autocrats? Is it the one who deemed bad by *the media* autocrats and the others democrats??
So...when democrats public figure act according to what DW wants they are "democrats" and if not they are "autocrats"? *Brilliant!*
No, that's just something you tell yourself.
the AfD is not just an autocratic Party, it's an anti- constitutional one! After all those Statements of several party members nobody can seriously deny that anymore!