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James constantly mentioning the scumbaggery that the blind guy did in the first movie to shoot down any attempt made by the sequel to make the blind guy "not a bad guy" really funny.
@@SomeGuyNamedJason I think this movie was definitely un-needed, and they over played their hand later with him being "anti-hero", but it was solid for a portion of it. He wasn't really fully portrayed as a good guy, just a bad guy protecting an innocent. Kind of unraveled towards the end more though.
Which goes to show how cucked James is. For some reason we'll forgive a woman for killing another female (see it all the time) and it's fine that they don't have any justice brought to them, but the guy is a monster for...kidnapping and at WORST sexual assault? The white knighting is just sad honestly. Both are reprehensible monsters but the pass we give for women just because they got a pussy is astounding.
I'm am confused why are your taking pride in someone with the same name as you in a movie dieing and is death being labelled as the coolest death in the movie like what
Would have been a lot more interesting if the "kidnappers" we're not cartoons villains and instead actually just were trying to rescue their stolen family member. It also would have served as a cool little twist that made you reflect differently on everything that has happened. The little girl could then use her survival skills to escape/defeat the blind man.
Yeah exactly. That was the point of the first movie. First making you feel bad for the poor blind man being robbed only to find out *he's* the danger. I would have very much enjoyed this movie more if they did a sorta double twist. Making you think they want you to root for the blind man, only to twist it and have the people breaking in actually being the good guys. Or simy put some actual moral ambiguity in it by making both sides assholes, and making Phoenix have to fight for herself against both
@@alwinwinter1645 I think they could have made us still partially feel that we can sympathize with the blind guy and have his love for his (stolen) daughter be real to him. They could even imply that he knew to some degree that she would eventually have to escape him, even though he would never let her go. And that when she realized he was bad, AND was able to escape him, it would prove to him in some twisted way that she was ready for the world. Like all along he knew on some level that he was training her to escape him.
I think if they wanted to milk the first movie by continuing the story in some way it would have worked better if they made a videogame instead with Phoenix/Tara as the playable main character and the story told by her POV because while watching it kind of reminded me of Detroit: Become Human because of the environment and the sort of things they have to go through, and since it would be a different format being so different from the original movie would be more understandable, they could even have kept the same cast and get them to work with motion-capture
Honestly this movie feels like it's trying to do a redemption arc for the Blind Man, but fails because instead of making him show remorse for what he did, the creators of the film just made characters that were morally "worse"
@@IlNamelessKinglI Yeah, but we (the audience) wanted to see something more from his atonement. The one thing we didn't want to see was a whole movie with him as the protagonist, basically making us root for this evil man because of even worse people.
@@IlNamelessKinglI It's that they make you feel like you should root for him. There is no clear understanding from the director or writers that says "hey, we know this guy is a POS so we'll be sure to punish him for that" instead what we get is "hey, this guy is going to be the protagonist of the film and whether you like it or not, we're going to make him the good guy".
I think they should do this with every Horror franchise: Leatherface as a vigilante helping the Texas Rangers. Freddy as a kid inspirational coach before big games/tests. Michael watching over his sister, keeping her safe from a domestic abuser. Jason as the watcher of the lake, saving kids from drowning, and helping the councilors with activity planning.
So apparently according to wikipedia "In a post-credits scene, Raylan's dog approaches Norman's seemingly dead body and licks his fingers. One of them slightly moves, revealing that Norman is still alive." Yep, he alive.
For a moment in the ending I thought Norman was actually dead, since now he assumed his past mistakes and felt like he was ready to rest in peace, and that Raylan was going to be the new “blind man” if they intended to make a 3rd movie since Norman drilled his eyeballs and they both were very alike in some ways so it kind of felt like he was passing the torch to him… but I guess I was wrong
After seeing Zoran again being attack my James and saying “But I put my pants on” I was laughing, but I will say I’m so happy James is back to kill count for us.
What I thought the film was gonna be: Phoenix was the blind man's real daughter whom he got from a girl he kidnapped, and these men were hired by the mother to get her back. What the film gave us: nah, he ain't so bad.
I shake my head and really wonder which studio/director/producer/writer really thought they could make the blind man redeemable or likeable in any way.
I'm 100% sure they never even watched the first movie. Because no matter how much they try to portray the old man as sympathetic, he still kidnapped and arteficially inseminated a woman in the first movie.
An industry professional who sees women as trophies/objects instead of people. Whoever pushed that "what if we redeem the antagonist" plot had to be influential enough that their decision became reality, and there had to be enough people around willing to entertain it. So no one looks good, even if the creators didn't "mean to be" so disgusting.
4:45 “Never take anything for granted. God will take it from you.” In the first movie he said “There is nothing that a man can’t do when he figures out there is no God”. Talk about a complete role reversal even with his religious beliefs. They really wanted you to forget everything about this guy.
Either the movie was lazy written or studio gave them unrealistic deadlines and the writers came up with the easiest writing to have the scripts written in time.
He switches between the two attitudes. When he has nothing he believes there is no God. When he has something to lose he thinks he constantly has to protect her from the universe which will try and take her away
Jim Bob is a perfect villian name. We know at least one real life Jim Bob who has no problems allowing young girls to be endangered in their own home and sympathising with the person who hurt them.
@@Chris-ks4sw They're talking about the Duggars. They used to star in a reality show about their family 19 Kids and Counting until their eldest son (I believe) confessed to molesting a bunch of his sisters and other people. Jim Bob was his father.
@@Chris-ks4sw they’re talking about Jim Bob Duggar. His son, Josh Duggar, touched his sisters inappropriately when they were children, and Jim Bob covered it up and told his daughters not to say anything about what Josh did. Josh was sentenced to 12 years in prison for possession of CP recently.
This movie felt more like they made a new time line where Norman never kidnapped the girl in the first. I think they should have taken this angle as a butterfly effect to show how much he loved his adopted daughter. Have her enter his life before he kidnapped her.
Love the get to the numbers bit. Happy to see that Zoren put on pants & even if we have no idea when the next Zoren Kill count will be we know it will be amazing as always. Each host brings their own uniqueness to the show & the team works hard for every single episode even when the movie is lackluster such as this movie because it tries to make the antagonists worse than the protagonist because the protagonist is not a good person & even then it doesn't work because those who saw the first movie sit there going: "We're really supposed to cheer for this guy"
Hey,this will probably get lost but all of everyone from Dead Meat is great. I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart. The past couple years have been tough for me but the kill counts and they talk and basically everything is great and always makes me laugh! This was an amazing to the numbers bit!
One thing I'll say is the little girl keeping the name Phoenix is painfully realistic. She could have Stockholm Syndrome because that old guy as terrible as he was, was still her 'father'
@@funnyvalentine1848 but even after she found out and Norm even said that he’s killed and raped people, she still cares for him she says she can save him when he’s dying.
Should be taken into consideration that from her perspective choosing the name that came from her biological parents who were just about to kill her would absolutely be the worst option. It's also symbolic.
Well, he treated her as if she was his own and because of her biological parents' ulterior motives, she accepted the blind dude as her one true father, kind of like Star-Lord did when he accepted Yondu as his one true father figure upon learning his biological father, Ego the Living Planet was his biological father and the one who made his mother die of cancer when he was young
It’s also the fact that she was more used with that name and had much more memories being raised by the blind man. There is a movie with a similar situation called The Woman, in the end the main character (a savage lady) adopts a 6 year-old girl named Darlin’ that had just lost her parents and takes her away with her to the woods teaching her how to survive there, and in a sequel 10 years later Darlin’ is a teenager and she became just like her adoptive mama because since her life changed drastically all of sudden she blocked her memories of having a “normal life” before she went to live with the Woman in the woods and she barely remembers her biological parents (quite a blessing because Darlin’s parents were horrible you have no idea)
You know what would have been cool? Keep her parents background as druggies, but after losing their daughter they actually do want to do better. Upon finding out she still lives they gotta get her back from Norman. It helps keep the ambiguity for both parties, with both being convinced they know what's best for her, but both also having done awful things in the past.
The fact james literally scaled the metal bars to try and get away from zoran, then jumps down & karate chops him is hilarious. And i absolutely love Zoran's "but i put on pants" definitely a top 10 "to the numbers" bit
I can see why Phoenix at least would be attached to the Blind Man, I mean even if he was fucked up he DID raise her - there's bound to be some attachment there, especially since she doesn't have any frame of reference to understand how wrong her whole situation was. You could say that she should reject him after everything that happened in the movie but, 1) so much happened so quickly I doubt she had time to process everything properly and 2) as much as he brutally murdered people in front of her, the other people were shooting the only parental figure she had, trying to kidnap her and attempted to cut out her heart while she was awake. When your only choice is between these assholes and you have no other frame of reference? Yeah, I'd probably choose the person who raised and tried to save me too. Not to say that the Blind Man isn't a monster, he definitely is, but I get why she'd stay loyal to him. Hopefully, after some time spent around decent adults and other children, she'd come to understand that all of them were just as bad as each other.
@HANDzRUSH I don’t sympathize with rapists but if you remember the first movie, even tho it was fucked up, you could understand why he felt he deserved another daughter. Kinda the same dynamic conflict phoenix has, she knows what’s going on isn’t right but given the circumstances, she made a decision, same with the old man he knew impregnating a girl was wrong but he felt justified at the time, and to see him own that regret is cool at least. Doesn’t make him any better by any means, but better than taking it to the grave feeling justified
her real father was planning to kill her via cutting out her heart to transplant into her paralyzed wife. while alive AND awake. norman was far better then that trash who not only rescuring her from a burning house fire but also gave his own life in the end to ensure she could live on
He definitely wasn’t a monster because he didn’t wake up and say “hey let me just ruin everyone life just because he can” . That’s what people did to him . The only people I saw him hurt was the people that hurt him so why is he the monster . The fact that he didn’t physically rape that girl shows a lot . Yes it’s fucked up what he did to her but it was fucked up what she did to him and didn’t have to lose anything . He just wanted back the daughter she took from him which I think is very fair .
The whole Zoran one shot sequence was amazing, but what broke me into full on chuckle was the "But I put on pants" Now we know what happens when James runs out of hot dogs
Yeah there was no way that this sequel was ever going to succeed when they turned an evil man into the protagonist, like just because he’s the “lesser” of two evils.
Since I live in Australia, the dead meat kill counts are released on Friday night, so it’s always a great way to end the weekdays. Love the content James
Same, except I always forget that a Kill Count is being released. I just go through my YT out of boredom and then I gasp at the suddenly new Kill Count episode that popped up in my recommendations
I feel like without the first movie this one could've stood better on it's own, but knowing that the protagonist is a bad guy from the start really does make it impossible to root for him.
I feel sad that the older movies aren’t doing the best in the channel. They’re my favorites! Lots of love goes into them and it’s interesting to see how they’re made. Hopefully more people give them a chance :D
My problem with this movie is something I have with most recent products: To make the main character look good... They must to do everyone freaking monsters.
@@genericname2747 Why would we need a "good" protagonist at all? Horror isn't for kids and humanity isn't divided in good and bad. Realistic characters are much more interesting in horror movies.
Feel like this movie would’ve been so much better if the blind man and Phoenix were treated as victims in the first until it’s revealed that the invaders were the family and were actually good people who were trying to save Phoenix since the old man was the one who started the house fire. Would’ve been able to make the movie as twisted as the first
@IamW4RL0RD LOL, do you watch Star Wars? There's a show called Book of Boba Fett. Personally, I don't think it's terrible, but it certainly had a ton of missed potential. I made a better fan idea in like an hour. I made an entire like general idea for everything that was much more loyal to who the character is supposed to be. I am a random guy 💀
@@NukaColaKris yes I do watch Star Wars and I watched BoBF entirely. I…tolerated it. Didn’t enjoy it didn’t hate it. Only after I finished it did I realize all the mistakes and how many times they missed the mark. Like the guy who was killed three times. That’s a mistake I can’t believe they didn’t catch
Don't fret about the wedding ring thing. Took a good year or two for me to constantly remember to put it on as I was always taking it off for cooking, cleaning, showering, stuff like that & would forget it was in my pocket. It'll come with time James!
Man she has to be literally the greatest meth cook in existence if they aren't gonna just you know replace her they need to preform surgery to keep her alive.
"She could take down the entire Yiga Clan" Loved the Zelda reference, James. I play those games alot and I didn't know you played them. (Sorry if you dont, I'm kinda dumb)
God, I couldn't believe how many reviews/comments justified Blind Man's previous actions. I just don't get how anyone can think this guy is worth rooting for
Exactly! When I first watched this movie, I immediately went to YT to see how others felt about it and I was appalled by the number of people excusing his actions. Like, I get that this dude was grieving over the loss of his daughter, but... That is NO excuse for him to kidnap a teenager (I think she was a teenager?), impregnate her and enslave her inside his house and then try to do the same to another teenager! Also, how the hell was he certain that either one of them would have a baby girl? What if their children turned out to be boys - what was he gonna do then?!
For me the only time worth rooting for him was when the movie showed the real reason parents wanted her daughter back. I mean rooting in a way that he will save the kid not survive himself.
@@GardenfRedRoses777 I wouldn't exactly call teens breaking into a blind old vet's house a saving grace for her side either, but it's wrong on all sides.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! JAMES, CHELSEA, ZORAN and everyone else at Dead Meat! I remember e-mailing my request for 'ORPHAN' over 2 years ago! And now it's FINALLY HAPPENING! One of my favourite horror TH-cam Channels is covering one of my favourite creepy horror movies! You have absolutely made my week, my month, my year! THANK YOU 1,000X for making a fan and subscriber from down under very, very, very happy!!
Hi James I’ve been watching dead meat for 3 years now and have seen all of your videos on both dead meat and dead meat shorts, I love your content and just wanted you to know how much your channel has helped me through a rough time in my life and I just wanted to say thank you
One of the best “To the Numbers” bits, periods. Love the athleticism, the one-take, the geography of the space itself and Zoran’s inclusion. It’s fantastic.
This is my personal favorite to the numbers bit. It's probably the best part of the movie to reference and also it's funny seeing Zoran again and also it's a great way to show people your new set. This video was great!
I agree its not better than the first but it has its moments with the survival tactics and how Norman's adapted skills to his blindness, especially with the scene where he is laying in the water.
During the mid-credits she it shows his body, you can see one of his fingers are moving just a tiny bit before it turns pitch black. When I watched the movie for the first time, I noticed it very easily. The blind man isn't dead, probably he just passed out because when he got stabbed in the back, it wasn't really going to kill him that easily
4:05 my dog (profile picture) just died, yesterday. She went pretty peacefully in her sleep🙏. I spent so much time worrying about shit that was never gonna happen. I though i was gonna have to take her to be put down. She had stomach issues her whole life. It was probably stomach cancer that took her out. Saying I'm Broken is an understatement. I haven't slept much in two days cause my dam room feels so empty. Miss you girl, rest in Paradise🙏 Her name was Precious. She originally was a stray from Puerto Rico. She was a sweet lab mix. She by some miracle found her way to states, and then to Me after she was hard to manage. She was an angel with me from the get go. She actually followed me home after i lost my friend and was walking around crying. I had just got off heroin at that time, 2014. She might have saved my life. We walked 2 to 4 times in a day sometimes in the woods and she loved it. I gave her a good life. Still cant help but feel I could have done better but.. No more dogs for me.
I had really hoped this movie's twist would be that the girl is the little sister from the first movie, and the "burglars" are actually trying to rescue her.
I really enjoy when you include more striking colors in the thumbnails! The light ones and really saturated color-themed ones always catch my eye! The icy vibe of this one is reeeeally nice!’
I couldn’t watch this one simply because of the first film. So the kill count will be the most exposure I want from this film. Thanks for another great episode James. And poor Zoran. Let him host another kill count. Love his Tremors kill counts!
I now have a contender for the best “To The Kills” bit. Thankyou for covering this movie. After watching the first one I knew I couldn’t watch the second knowing who the “protagonist” is. So I’m glad to be able to know the beats without having to watch it myself.
I love the addition of comparing the movie to other films towards the end of the video, it kind of acts as a reccomendation of sorts, like Netflix's "if you liked this, you might like these"
Can't wait to see the next kill count. Orphan is a great movie that I highly recommend u watch it before u watch the kill count. I count it in my top 15 horror movies of all time along with some other movies that have already been covered including Trick R Treat, Frankenstein, & Dracula
I remember walking in on my parents watching the film’s ending. Imagine my surprise when I looked up the plot and quickly felt the sympathy leave my body 😰
Hey James, people have pointed out that you can actually see the Blind Man’s fingers twitch in the post-credits scene. The soundtrack also has amplified sounds of breathing. He’s implied to be alive.
This movie is one of my top favorite "Senses horror movies". Throughout the entire thing, you are so paranoid that your own movements or actions would give away your location. The actor for the blind man was phenomenal, and gave an awesome performance. I would love to see him in stuff like the Evil Dead, he would rock the screen in a film like that.
"Watch Orphan without spoilers, you won't regret it" Too late, some media and TH-cam parodied/recycled the plot enough to know the ending. It's an original twist, tho, must admit it.
i just saw Prey, i really enjoyed the props and replica's. Also glad that they came up with new stuff to do the same old things (hiding from the thermal vision) can't wait to see you cover it on the kill count
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Now you gonna see what I see a much higher kill count so let's get to the kills!
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Yooo new video
Could you do Jurassic world dominion after the next one?
Hi james
Zoran's "But I put on pants" broke my heart. You weren't lying James that was a top tier Get To The Numbers bit.
Has to be the best by far
@老陈百宝箱 member
zoran thinks hes funny but he isnt
Wasn't the irony that James wasn't wearing pants?
Nah. James is king.
James constantly mentioning the scumbaggery that the blind guy did in the first movie to shoot down any attempt made by the sequel to make the blind guy "not a bad guy" really funny.
Don't understand why they made a second movie
@@chiyo_rn exactly because no one has seen the first movie would ever root for a murderer/kidnapper/r@peist
Pretty annoying too, we get it, dude's fucked up
@@SomeGuyNamedJason I think this movie was definitely un-needed, and they over played their hand later with him being "anti-hero", but it was solid for a portion of it. He wasn't really fully portrayed as a good guy, just a bad guy protecting an innocent. Kind of unraveled towards the end more though.
He not even that bad
Absolutely love the sarcasm. You can really tell James hates the old man being portrayed as a hero.
Which goes to show how cucked James is. For some reason we'll forgive a woman for killing another female (see it all the time) and it's fine that they don't have any justice brought to them, but the guy is a monster for...kidnapping and at WORST sexual assault?
The white knighting is just sad honestly. Both are reprehensible monsters but the pass we give for women just because they got a pussy is astounding.
Yeah it definitely sucked
Just like in the first movie they make the girl to be a good person despite going in to commit robbery an old blind war bet.
@@fernandovargas5338 who turns out to be a r*pist
@@fernandovargas5338 who was serial killer-rapist.
As someone named Jared, getting to hear James say “I’ll give the golden chainsaw for coolest kill to JARED” was fucking awesome.
Congrats Jared
@@oceanbanana4341 Thank you, Banana of the Ocean
Congrats, Jared. Can't wait to see what else you come up with!
Jared, congratulations on dying in a dope fashion!
I'm am confused why are your taking pride in someone with the same name as you in a movie dieing and is death being labelled as the coolest death in the movie like what
Shout-out to Dead Meat for making it through this movie again to make this episode.
Hey, great to see you here Czsworld!
The real hero, emo.abraham lincoln
Make it through? I actually enjoyed this movie.
Shout out to dead meat for not using the r slur. Link me to your public apology? Miss watching you.
@@jlocke2171 wth are you talking about?
I like how even when James dislikes a movie, he still talks about what he likes from it, as well as all the effort that goes into the scenes
Unless it's "I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer."
Yes, that is how you review a movie or other forms of entertainment
@@tailuigi jeepers creepers
No he straight up said he isn’t doing jeepers creepers. That director is a convicted pedo
@@freekill1018 he doesn't had the movie. Just the scumbag director
Easily the second best “to the numbers” bit. But nothing can ever top Leslie Vernon himself showing up.
Wait, what kill count was that?
How did you type this 7 hours ago
@@Zenobreak patreon
@@Zenobreak He’s in a time zone 7 hours away maybe? Lol
3 From Hell is still my favorite.
Would have been a lot more interesting if the "kidnappers" we're not cartoons villains and instead actually just were trying to rescue their stolen family member. It also would have served as a cool little twist that made you reflect differently on everything that has happened. The little girl could then use her survival skills to escape/defeat the blind man.
Yeah exactly. That was the point of the first movie. First making you feel bad for the poor blind man being robbed only to find out *he's* the danger.
I would have very much enjoyed this movie more if they did a sorta double twist. Making you think they want you to root for the blind man, only to twist it and have the people breaking in actually being the good guys.
Or simy put some actual moral ambiguity in it by making both sides assholes, and making Phoenix have to fight for herself against both
@@alwinwinter1645 I think they could have made us still partially feel that we can sympathize with the blind guy and have his love for his (stolen) daughter be real to him. They could even imply that he knew to some degree that she would eventually have to escape him, even though he would never let her go. And that when she realized he was bad, AND was able to escape him, it would prove to him in some twisted way that she was ready for the world. Like all along he knew on some level that he was training her to escape him.
Or
Just drown her?
Ye your version is better
10000 percent
I think if they wanted to milk the first movie by continuing the story in some way it would have worked better if they made a videogame instead with Phoenix/Tara as the playable main character and the story told by her POV because while watching it kind of reminded me of Detroit: Become Human because of the environment and the sort of things they have to go through, and since it would be a different format being so different from the original movie would be more understandable, they could even have kept the same cast and get them to work with motion-capture
Honestly this movie feels like it's trying to do a redemption arc for the Blind Man, but fails because instead of making him show remorse for what he did, the creators of the film just made characters that were morally "worse"
I mean the old man in the ends confesses he fucked up in his life so
@@IlNamelessKinglI he's a rapist, son
@@IlNamelessKinglI Yeah, but we (the audience) wanted to see something more from his atonement. The one thing we didn't want to see was a whole movie with him as the protagonist, basically making us root for this evil man because of even worse people.
@@TheAnthonyG. yeah but you dont really root for anyone imo. I think people dont understand this when they shit talk the movie lol.
@@IlNamelessKinglI It's that they make you feel like you should root for him. There is no clear understanding from the director or writers that says "hey, we know this guy is a POS so we'll be sure to punish him for that" instead what we get is "hey, this guy is going to be the protagonist of the film and whether you like it or not, we're going to make him the good guy".
I think they should do this with every Horror franchise:
Leatherface as a vigilante helping the Texas Rangers.
Freddy as a kid inspirational coach before big games/tests.
Michael watching over his sister, keeping her safe from a domestic abuser.
Jason as the watcher of the lake, saving kids from drowning, and helping the councilors with activity planning.
I like it
An interesting idea
Leprechaun giving people good luck and gold.
Ghost face prank calling scammer
@@strawberry5458 you forgot to add "luck" to your sentence there
13:11 as an amateur doctor myself, I can confirm the patient must be in as much pain as possible for the surgery to be successful. That's just science
Nothing is better for a heart than tons of stress, that’s just science. 🤷♀️
its just the doctors terms since they cant go to a real one and he enjoys watching people suffer as he cuts parts out of them
How little morphine did you use, doctor?
In fact, beef up their pain receptors, it’ll help.
it was the science for babies for a while
So apparently according to wikipedia
"In a post-credits scene, Raylan's dog approaches Norman's seemingly dead body and licks his fingers. One of them slightly moves, revealing that Norman is still alive."
Yep, he alive.
Well, I mean wikipedia said so. So it must be true.
Please let your poor reputation be right in this instance Wikipedia, please.
For a moment in the ending I thought Norman was actually dead, since now he assumed his past mistakes and felt like he was ready to rest in peace, and that Raylan was going to be the new “blind man” if they intended to make a 3rd movie since Norman drilled his eyeballs and they both were very alike in some ways so it kind of felt like he was passing the torch to him… but I guess I was wrong
I watched that scene last night and I saw no movement
@@lovescarguitarhave some Gosh Dang Faith!
Hands down the best "to the numbers." The little "but i wore pants.." absolutely killed me
After seeing Zoran again being attack my James and saying “But I put my pants on” I was laughing, but I will say I’m so happy James is back to kill count for us.
What I thought the film was gonna be: Phoenix was the blind man's real daughter whom he got from a girl he kidnapped, and these men were hired by the mother to get her back.
What the film gave us: nah, he ain't so bad.
Literally what I thought too but they just decided to go with some convoluted plot
@@shadowantix8018 something that sympathizes with him most likely
That would be a good plot.
I thought it would be a prequel
@@firstnamelastname631 that was another thought that came to mind!
I shake my head and really wonder which studio/director/producer/writer really thought they could make the blind man redeemable or likeable in any way.
I'm 100% sure they never even watched the first movie. Because no matter how much they try to portray the old man as sympathetic, he still kidnapped and arteficially inseminated a woman in the first movie.
An industry professional who sees women as trophies/objects instead of people. Whoever pushed that "what if we redeem the antagonist" plot had to be influential enough that their decision became reality, and there had to be enough people around willing to entertain it. So no one looks good, even if the creators didn't "mean to be" so disgusting.
they succeeded hes a sick character
@@gunmaker3plus672sick as in he’s irredeemable and terrible right?
@@Regal-xj2tw nah as in hes a cool character
James, you weren’t kidding! That “to the numbers” bit is probably your best yet!
I wondered why he started it with the camera being handheld
@@axelnilsson5124 it’s suppose to be a one shot. Like the famous ones in the movie
@@VincentVincent_89 I know that what I realized when Zoran was walking in with his pants
4:45 “Never take anything for granted. God will take it from you.” In the first movie he said “There is nothing that a man can’t do when he figures out there is no God”. Talk about a complete role reversal even with his religious beliefs. They really wanted you to forget everything about this guy.
Either the movie was lazy written or studio gave them unrealistic deadlines and the writers came up with the easiest writing to have the scripts written in time.
sounds like the old blind guy is making his whole character up on the spot like John Kramer did.
Should have made it 2 different movies and not a sequel. Don't Breathe really didnt need one anyway.
He switches between the two attitudes. When he has nothing he believes there is no God. When he has something to lose he thinks he constantly has to protect her from the universe which will try and take her away
Jim Bob is a perfect villian name. We know at least one real life Jim Bob who has no problems allowing young girls to be endangered in their own home and sympathising with the person who hurt them.
what?
@@Chris-ks4sw They're talking about the Duggars. They used to star in a reality show about their family 19 Kids and Counting until their eldest son (I believe) confessed to molesting a bunch of his sisters and other people. Jim Bob was his father.
@@Chris-ks4sw they’re talking about Jim Bob Duggar. His son, Josh Duggar, touched his sisters inappropriately when they were children, and Jim Bob covered it up and told his daughters not to say anything about what Josh did. Josh was sentenced to 12 years in prison for possession of CP recently.
@@envystar687 Oh i rememer that just didint remember the names.
@@Chris-ks4sw hi
This movie felt more like they made a new time line where Norman never kidnapped the girl in the first. I think they should have taken this angle as a butterfly effect to show how much he loved his adopted daughter. Have her enter his life before he kidnapped her.
He admitted in the second movie he raped. That's what i would consider character development, for a rapist at least.
Love the get to the numbers bit. Happy to see that Zoren put on pants & even if we have no idea when the next Zoren Kill count will be we know it will be amazing as always. Each host brings their own uniqueness to the show & the team works hard for every single episode even when the movie is lackluster such as this movie because it tries to make the antagonists worse than the protagonist because the protagonist is not a good person & even then it doesn't work because those who saw the first movie sit there going: "We're really supposed to cheer for this guy"
I can’t wait for him to do more kill counts I loved the ones he had done
Hey,this will probably get lost but all of everyone from Dead Meat is great. I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart. The past couple years have been tough for me but the kill counts and they talk and basically everything is great and always makes me laugh! This was an amazing to the numbers bit!
Found you!
Your comment wasn't lost. Just like you aren't! MWAH!
One thing I'll say is the little girl keeping the name Phoenix is painfully realistic. She could have Stockholm Syndrome because that old guy as terrible as he was, was still her 'father'
I don't really think it's stockholm syndrome if you didn't know you were kidnapped
@@funnyvalentine1848 but even after she found out and Norm even said that he’s killed and raped people, she still cares for him she says she can save him when he’s dying.
Should be taken into consideration that from her perspective choosing the name that came from her biological parents who were just about to kill her would absolutely be the worst option. It's also symbolic.
Well, he treated her as if she was his own and because of her biological parents' ulterior motives, she accepted the blind dude as her one true father, kind of like Star-Lord did when he accepted Yondu as his one true father figure upon learning his biological father, Ego the Living Planet was his biological father and the one who made his mother die of cancer when he was young
It’s also the fact that she was more used with that name and had much more memories being raised by the blind man. There is a movie with a similar situation called The Woman, in the end the main character (a savage lady) adopts a 6 year-old girl named Darlin’ that had just lost her parents and takes her away with her to the woods teaching her how to survive there, and in a sequel 10 years later Darlin’ is a teenager and she became just like her adoptive mama because since her life changed drastically all of sudden she blocked her memories of having a “normal life” before she went to live with the Woman in the woods and she barely remembers her biological parents (quite a blessing because Darlin’s parents were horrible you have no idea)
You know what would have been cool? Keep her parents background as druggies, but after losing their daughter they actually do want to do better. Upon finding out she still lives they gotta get her back from Norman.
It helps keep the ambiguity for both parties, with both being convinced they know what's best for her, but both also having done awful things in the past.
The fact james literally scaled the metal bars to try and get away from zoran, then jumps down & karate chops him is hilarious. And i absolutely love Zoran's "but i put on pants" definitely a top 10 "to the numbers" bit
That was so funny
I can see why Phoenix at least would be attached to the Blind Man, I mean even if he was fucked up he DID raise her - there's bound to be some attachment there, especially since she doesn't have any frame of reference to understand how wrong her whole situation was. You could say that she should reject him after everything that happened in the movie but, 1) so much happened so quickly I doubt she had time to process everything properly and 2) as much as he brutally murdered people in front of her, the other people were shooting the only parental figure she had, trying to kidnap her and attempted to cut out her heart while she was awake. When your only choice is between these assholes and you have no other frame of reference? Yeah, I'd probably choose the person who raised and tried to save me too.
Not to say that the Blind Man isn't a monster, he definitely is, but I get why she'd stay loyal to him. Hopefully, after some time spent around decent adults and other children, she'd come to understand that all of them were just as bad as each other.
@HANDzRUSH I don’t sympathize with rapists but if you remember the first movie, even tho it was fucked up, you could understand why he felt he deserved another daughter. Kinda the same dynamic conflict phoenix has, she knows what’s going on isn’t right but given the circumstances, she made a decision, same with the old man he knew impregnating a girl was wrong but he felt justified at the time, and to see him own that regret is cool at least. Doesn’t make him any better by any means, but better than taking it to the grave feeling justified
@HANDzRUSH “again” I never said it did, was only adding to your point not arguing with it jit 😒
@@keyoskss615 bbbbruuuuuh
her real father was planning to kill her via cutting out her heart to transplant into her paralyzed wife. while alive AND awake. norman was far better then that trash who not only rescuring her from a burning house fire but also gave his own life in the end to ensure she could live on
He definitely wasn’t a monster because he didn’t wake up and say “hey let me just ruin everyone life just because he can” . That’s what people did to him . The only people I saw him hurt was the people that hurt him so why is he the monster . The fact that he didn’t physically rape that girl shows a lot . Yes it’s fucked up what he did to her but it was fucked up what she did to him and didn’t have to lose anything . He just wanted back the daughter she took from him which I think is very fair .
The whole Zoran one shot sequence was amazing, but what broke me into full on chuckle was the "But I put on pants"
Now we know what happens when James runs out of hot dogs
😂😂
Yeah there was no way that this sequel was ever going to succeed when they turned an evil man into the protagonist, like just because he’s the “lesser” of two evils.
Since I live in Australia, the dead meat kill counts are released on Friday night, so it’s always a great way to end the weekdays. Love the content James
so true
Same, except I always forget that a Kill Count is being released. I just go through my YT out of boredom and then I gasp at the suddenly new Kill Count episode that popped up in my recommendations
I start my mornings with it
@@AngelLoeza same
I just finished Prey and got the notification I was like “oh hell yeah, Fridays are the fucken best!”
I feel like without the first movie this one could've stood better on it's own, but knowing that the protagonist is a bad guy from the start really does make it impossible to root for him.
I just solve it by rooting for him to save the girl. He’s gotta die afterwards tho.
I rooted for him in the first movie
@@keegan959 uhhhh aight
@@ChuvaktheGreat hopefully he means until he kills the main characters boyfriend lol
@@themangotango95 or you know, keep people in his basement as a incubator
18:57 his "but I put on pants..." line SLAYED me hahaha, great kill count!
It funny 😂
5:40 “how light can that girl land on her feet, does she have stealth armor equipped? she could take down the whole yiga clan” that made me die lmaooo
Love you Zoran! I'm happy you put on pants, even if James isn't too thrilled! (Critters WOULD be awesome from either of you, btw)
James said the "To The Numbers..." bit was an all-timer, and he wasn't lying. Easily one of my favourites.
the guy that plays duke was my old MMA coach. he’s been acting for a while, so good to see him on the big screen! Props to Rocci Williams
Soo cool
I feel sad that the older movies aren’t doing the best in the channel. They’re my favorites! Lots of love goes into them and it’s interesting to see how they’re made. Hopefully more people give them a chance :D
Same
"...but I put on pants."
Now _that_ is a dedicated employee.
Holy shit, the “get to the numbers” bit is one of the best ones you guys have ever done! Bravo to everyone involved!!!
My problem with this movie is something I have with most recent products: To make the main character look good... They must to do everyone freaking monsters.
Yes this one was way more generic than the first. Just a cash cow rather than have a nuanced villian.
The main character is literally a monster, why do they want to make him look good
@@genericname2747 this is my issue with movie too
@@illuminarobot8711 yeah, just make him evil. Or just don't make this man the protagonist
@@genericname2747 Why would we need a "good" protagonist at all? Horror isn't for kids and humanity isn't divided in good and bad. Realistic characters are much more interesting in horror movies.
Feel like this movie would’ve been so much better if the blind man and Phoenix were treated as victims in the first until it’s revealed that the invaders were the family and were actually good people who were trying to save Phoenix since the old man was the one who started the house fire. Would’ve been able to make the movie as twisted as the first
That's so good damn.
@@NukaColaKris thanks lol. Crazy how fans have better ideas than studios. 💀 Best part is I haven’t even seen either movie for myself lol
@IamW4RL0RD LOL, do you watch Star Wars? There's a show called Book of Boba Fett. Personally, I don't think it's terrible, but it certainly had a ton of missed potential. I made a better fan idea in like an hour. I made an entire like general idea for everything that was much more loyal to who the character is supposed to be. I am a random guy 💀
@@IamW4RL0RD crazy how often professional writers miss the mark.
@@NukaColaKris yes I do watch Star Wars and I watched BoBF entirely. I…tolerated it. Didn’t enjoy it didn’t hate it. Only after I finished it did I realize all the mistakes and how many times they missed the mark. Like the guy who was killed three times. That’s a mistake I can’t believe they didn’t catch
Don't fret about the wedding ring thing. Took a good year or two for me to constantly remember to put it on as I was always taking it off for cooking, cleaning, showering, stuff like that & would forget it was in my pocket. It'll come with time James!
no subs
Tf is that pfp creepy asf lol
@@hashiragamers9321 It's the Joker, after he had his face cut off in Arkham (look up Scott Snyder & Greg Capullo's New 52 run.)
If Stephen Lang was 25 years younger, he'd be an amazing Joel in a Last of Us adaptation
It is not Stephen Lang its SLANG
Exactly
I don't think he looks like Joel at all tbh he would be more of Joel's brothers if anything tbh but even that feels odd
Think he’d make a better david
@@Cowboy-Bi-bop hard to tell
I love all James little remarks on insulting Norman. Especially when he had the debate on killing the dog or not. 🤣😅
That was one of my favorite "get to the numbers" gags. I can't wait to see the next installment in the Dead Meat Cinematic Universe.
"Fluffy here will listen to any Order of this Phoenix" - God damn it, it caught me off guard and made me snort
Man she has to be literally the greatest meth cook in existence if they aren't gonna just you know replace her they need to preform surgery to keep her alive.
Tbf she was the boss’s wife so she wasn’t just any meth cook
@@nkcw Yeah but if he has no sentiment for the daughter then why would he have any for her? Meth addicts aren't usually very sentimental
@@bajscast maybe he didn’t want a daughter in the first place
That breath of the wild joke at 5:41 actually made me chuckle
same 😭
That was a great botw joke
Same, but I had a more of an, "Ayyy!" sort of reaction too.
Same!!!
Sameee
When James is angry about dumb stuff he is 10x funnier lmao the way he says “jim bob” @ 13:31 is so good lmao
"She could take down the entire Yiga Clan"
Loved the Zelda reference, James. I play those games alot and I didn't know you played them.
(Sorry if you dont, I'm kinda dumb)
best reference
The biggest crime in this film was how they took out the female war vet so easily in an obvious set up!
I know some veterans. If some guys tried the same thing with them, not only would they make it out alive, over half of their attackers would be dead.
God, I couldn't believe how many reviews/comments justified Blind Man's previous actions. I just don't get how anyone can think this guy is worth rooting for
Exactly! When I first watched this movie, I immediately went to YT to see how others felt about it and I was appalled by the number of people excusing his actions. Like, I get that this dude was grieving over the loss of his daughter, but... That is NO excuse for him to kidnap a teenager (I think she was a teenager?), impregnate her and enslave her inside his house and then try to do the same to another teenager! Also, how the hell was he certain that either one of them would have a baby girl? What if their children turned out to be boys - what was he gonna do then?!
For me the only time worth rooting for him was when the movie showed the real reason parents wanted her daughter back. I mean rooting in a way that he will save the kid not survive himself.
@@GardenfRedRoses777 I wouldn't exactly call teens breaking into a blind old vet's house a saving grace for her side either, but it's wrong on all sides.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! JAMES, CHELSEA, ZORAN and everyone else at Dead Meat!
I remember e-mailing my request for 'ORPHAN' over 2 years ago! And now it's FINALLY HAPPENING! One of my favourite horror TH-cam Channels is covering one of my favourite creepy horror movies! You have absolutely made my week, my month, my year!
THANK YOU 1,000X for making a fan and subscriber from down under very, very, very happy!!
18:57 come on he put on pants
Hi James I’ve been watching dead meat for 3 years now and have seen all of your videos on both dead meat and dead meat shorts, I love your content and just wanted you to know how much your channel has helped me through a rough time in my life and I just wanted to say thank you
W comment hope you’re good
I’m so hyped for the next kill count! Orphan is one of my favorite horror movies
Meh
“She could take down the whole damn yiga clan” has me laughing
The bushes baked beatings line had me cracking up James your wordplay is unmatched
“She could take on the whole damn yiga clan” is the best thing I’ve ever heard James said
true
One of the best “To the Numbers” bits, periods. Love the athleticism, the one-take, the geography of the space itself and Zoran’s inclusion. It’s fantastic.
god, Zoran made the end part way more enjoyable then it should of been. Kudos James, and to everyone else who makes kill count so damn good.
This is my personal favorite to the numbers bit. It's probably the best part of the movie to reference and also it's funny seeing Zoran again and also it's a great way to show people your new set. This video was great!
Bummed that there will be a slight disruption for the kill counts, but, family comes first. Love your content, James, Chelsea, and Zoran!
I agree its not better than the first but it has its moments with the survival tactics and how Norman's adapted skills to his blindness, especially with the scene where he is laying in the water.
I enjoyed the shit out of this movie ngl fun gore fun plot I just try to ignore the continuity
During the mid-credits she it shows his body, you can see one of his fingers are moving just a tiny bit before it turns pitch black. When I watched the movie for the first time, I noticed it very easily. The blind man isn't dead, probably he just passed out because when he got stabbed in the back, it wasn't really going to kill him that easily
Bro learn how to spell
@@wholesomemario3241 that’s what I’m thinking
@@wholesomemario3241 My guy be quiet and stop being mean, maybe english wasn’t their first lauguage you know?
@@wholesomemario3241 Bro learn how to be respectable
@@wholesomemario3241 shut up bruh
4:05 my dog (profile picture) just died, yesterday. She went pretty peacefully in her sleep🙏. I spent so much time worrying about shit that was never gonna happen. I though i was gonna have to take her to be put down. She had stomach issues her whole life. It was probably stomach cancer that took her out. Saying I'm Broken is an understatement. I haven't slept much in two days cause my dam room feels so empty. Miss you girl, rest in Paradise🙏
Her name was Precious. She originally was a stray from Puerto Rico. She was a sweet lab mix. She by some miracle found her way to states, and then to Me after she was hard to manage. She was an angel with me from the get go. She actually followed me home after i lost my friend and was walking around crying. I had just got off heroin at that time, 2014. She might have saved my life. We walked 2 to 4 times in a day sometimes in the woods and she loved it. I gave her a good life. Still cant help but feel I could have done better but.. No more dogs for me.
I had really hoped this movie's twist would be that the girl is the little sister from the first movie, and the "burglars" are actually trying to rescue her.
Okay, don't breathe and the sequel feel like two different story's and two different move franchises
YES!! PLEASE LET ZORAN DO THE CRITTERS KILL COUNTS! I’ve been wanting to see it since you started this channel!
“Welcome to the kill count. Where we tally up the victims in all our favorite horror movies.” Best intro EVER!❤️
I really enjoy when you include more striking colors in the thumbnails! The light ones and really saturated color-themed ones always catch my eye! The icy vibe of this one is reeeeally nice!’
12:57 "Kenshi senses". It's nice that James put a little Mortal Kombat reference to this show
I couldn’t watch this one simply because of the first film. So the kill count will be the most exposure I want from this film. Thanks for another great episode James. And poor Zoran. Let him host another kill count. Love his Tremors kill counts!
Thanks for saying my actual thought.
Thank you for voicing my exact thought.
I now have a contender for the best “To The Kills” bit.
Thankyou for covering this movie. After watching the first one I knew I couldn’t watch the second knowing who the “protagonist” is. So I’m glad to be able to know the beats without having to watch it myself.
I love the addition of comparing the movie to other films towards the end of the video, it kind of acts as a reccomendation of sorts, like Netflix's "if you liked this, you might like these"
I really like zoran I would definitely love to see more kill counts with him great job James on this one always a highlight of Friday's
All of the Phoenix-puns were truly beautiful, James. Thank you.
Can't wait to see the next kill count. Orphan is a great movie that I highly recommend u watch it before u watch the kill count. I count it in my top 15 horror movies of all time along with some other movies that have already been covered including Trick R Treat, Frankenstein, & Dracula
I ended up seeing Orphan twice in theaters. Once with my aunt and uncle and the other with my cousins.
@@Hyperion520 Cool. I have it on my watch list for my count down to Halloween each year
4:11 lmao, don't do my boy Zoran that dirty man!
i love that he made a reference to the legend of zelda in this video with the yiga clan and stealth armor
Hahaha that shot of James’ legs climbing up the equipment was so good 😂 best to the numbers bit along side Leslie Vernons appearance!
Definitely my favorite "to the numbers" bit ever! Great job!
I remember walking in on my parents watching the film’s ending. Imagine my surprise when I looked up the plot and quickly felt the sympathy leave my body 😰
Hey James, people have pointed out that you can actually see the Blind Man’s fingers twitch in the post-credits scene. The soundtrack also has amplified sounds of breathing. He’s implied to be alive.
Hi james i just watched all the THEY TALK! episodes and i must say… AMAZING i dont know how zoran could think of such a comedy.
I love it
I’ve watched the Predator and Halloween episodes so many times. I really hope that we get a second season soon.
@@iheartbusterk82 ikr id say my fav is Friday the 13th
This movie is one of my top favorite "Senses horror movies". Throughout the entire thing, you are so paranoid that your own movements or actions would give away your location.
The actor for the blind man was phenomenal, and gave an awesome performance. I would love to see him in stuff like the Evil Dead, he would rock the screen in a film like that.
"Watch Orphan without spoilers, you won't regret it"
Too late, some media and TH-cam parodied/recycled the plot enough to know the ending. It's an original twist, tho, must admit it.
3:51 Bro sounds like a slightly more depressed Winnie the Pooh lol 😂
i just saw Prey, i really enjoyed the props and replica's. Also glad that they came up with new stuff to do the same old things (hiding from the thermal vision)
can't wait to see you cover it on the kill count
Man the Dead Meat crew is such a national treasure 😂.
THE PART AT THE END THE STUDIO TOUR IS AMAZING OMFG
ALSO YES MORE ZORAN KILL COUNTS
omg, I laughed so hard at "But I put on pants". That was wonderful, wow. Great kill count!
I LOVE that skit at the end. It was hilarious
INCREDIBLE “to the numbers” bit, the longer the shot went the harder I laughed
This was one of the BEST post count skits EVER right up there with the PG Man one!! One of my favorite channels keep up the great work James!!
Orphan has one of the best plot twists of any movie in the 21st century. Don't fight me, fight Watchmojo
That was absolutely one of if not my favorite "to the numbers" bit you've ever done, that was so funny and very well shot
Dead Meat’s videos always make me happy, but 5:42 made me smile especially wide since I’ve been playing BotW lately! :D
17:51 love this get to the numbers gag
Honestly when James said “hey that’s how Zoren works too” I expected some text to pop up saying “I know where you live, James”