First of all: if lyrics like he used to have are not comfortable for him now - let him change as he wants. It is his life. Period. Now about the opinion, i certainly agree with those people that gave a shout out to his lyrics in comments. There is an interview on TH-cam where Frankie says smth like: "What REALLY defines an objectively #good lyrics? Who decides that? If you say 'fuck you' and it is sincere - that works for me". I can really relate to that. Their lyrics in first place, together with influence of nu-metal, are the things that made me to love exactly this band among the others. It is because those emotional/angry lyrics that most people believe are "stupid" are ALLOWED in this genre, i am a fan of it for life. If you will take this thing away from heavy music - i would switch to pop/rap, as he twitted. All different range of feelings are better for me in all those other, non-heavy, genres. Cheers.
i thank you for the videos you make especially this video in particular is very insightful an uplifting. If its true if you listen to dark music all the time i too notice whenever ive listened to metal its takes me to a angry rebellious mind state so i switch between classic rock 60 70 an 80s to alternative rock or skater rock thats a bit more uplifting they do sing about troubles but more times then not they end it with a positive twist
I’m a kid, and I’ve left *so* many stupid comments all over TH-cam in the year and a half I’ve been here…yeah sometimes I wish I wasn’t allowed to have internet access lol
I remember writing to a local music website at 18, asking to remove a 'strongly worded' comment about Marilyn Manson I wrote at 12 and signed with my full name 😁
I just see a man coming to terms with his youth. He is acknowledging that he's grown and who he is at the moment. As a former active drug addict, I get it.
Ever notice how the scene loves to hate on the bands being positive? Whenever someone actually believes in something other than misery and self doubt it’s labeled “corny”. Love to hear people thoughts and observations of this in the scene.
YES. Just go listen to your miserable music and be miserable and don't worry about it if you think it's corny. If it really does bother you then spending your energy hating on it is just proving the point. They're happy, it ain't gonna bother them none so do what ye will
Tbh that's the one of the reasons I love acacia strain even more now. Sure their music is still heavy obviously but I appreciate how Vincent is being more of a positive person now.
I met Frankie twice. Once on tour way back in the day. I remember him being so angry and just didn't want to be around people it kind of put me off the band. The second time I met him was at the shooting for flag of the beast. He seemed like a completely different person. He was so composed and humble I felt happy. It was like he found happiness for himself. The fact that people would see this as a bad thing blows my mind.
I definitely didn't understand why people and bands "changed" when I was a teenager. But I'm almost 25, I've got kids, I understand growth now. I'm not the same as I was 10 years ago, I wouldn't want to be. It's amazing that Frankie is reflecting on his life and growing and moving forward. Your videos have also turned me on to Emmure as well lol. Never gave them a chance for whatever reason until your most hated bands videos. I'm a fan now. And to see the positive changes in Frankie makes me excited for the next era in Emmures music
What pisses me off Is that a lot of people refuse to allow others (and sometimes themselves) to grow. So something somebody did years past and are regretful for they should be allowed to grow from that but some people nowadays hate that. People talk about growth but then hold something somebody did years ago over their head, refusing to let them grow even if they're regretful of it. Which is counterintuitive for growth and mental well-being.
dude - take your first sentence and apply to every "the first fucking album, best fuckin album! everything else sucks!" type of metalhead and count how many there are - you shouldn't even be suprirsed that you are pissed by this mentality :)))
@@mike_tkgchs Well, to be fair, a lot of bands do indeed have one amazing album and then fall off. You can't deny that. It's like they say, you have your whole life to write your first album and then 6 months to write the next one. Besides, pressure from your label, new fans, etc. really takes a toll on your music. Don't let "growth" be an excuse to accept every change in direction every band has, a ton of bands fell off.
@@jackwithahat8601 absolutely agree! what i was referring to are the guys that say everything else sucks cuz they changed and often they manage to refer to bands that actually put up extremely good albums. i mean look at the bring me the horizon purists that are NOW saying they should have never left the style of count your blessings.
This goes for feeling bad for someone's past as well, if someone wants to cry about something awful in their past, the fact that they are crying or experience pain from it is just a part of them growing from the negative experience. If you feel bad for them, or try to tell them to stop crying and that it's okay, you're extending the negative experience to the current day or telling them to not grow from the experience. Of course it hurts to watch good people go through pain, but if you care about someone you'll allow them to go ahead with their experiences the way they need to personally. In the end the individual needs to grow, they'll be a better person after it's said and done. Your faults create the character you are, meaning is derived from conflict.
same thing happens in all genres of music, eminem got clean and everyone wants him to start poppin pills and mixing to act crazy because they wanna live off the drug culture. People just don't know how to let go and grow up.
Kool it’s disgusting isn’t it? As soon as BMTH released amo instead of being supportive/constructive criticism people spammed their page and Sykes instagram that he should start doing ketamine etc or people saying Slipknot should start doing drugs again. It’s sad that people wish someone to stay in a living hell for their OWN entertainment.
@brandon roberts He really hasn't changed much though. His last album was in part about murdering a woman or something like that. Tyler is an edgy hack.
Vincent from TAS has done a similar 180. He preaches positivity in his shows and says his lyrics don't reflect how he feels now. He says he regrets being so bitter towards the world. Never thought we would see Vincent and Frankie changing their tune for the better.
crazyhasek3921 Vincent's speeches during live shows now are always so emotional. The dude knows how to get across love and positivity like no other. My scene isn't exactly the most friendly, but it always feels like an actual community when The Acacia Strain come through
Yeah I saw them recently for the first time in maybe like 10/11 years I believe since Summer Slob tour ages ago and them comparing TAS then and Vincent then to present times and holy hell as someone who grew up from my teens to adulthood listening and seeing it, the growth and love is actually amazing to see how watching someone become so happy, healthy and positive from being so hateful and angry. Kind of gives hope and hopefully some guidance. That being said those angry lyrics still throw down when they play the throwbacks haha. Same goes for Emmure. All love.
Completely understand this. Lyrics are sometimes describing traumatic events, and reliving that over and over again is not healthy to someone's mental state.
@brandon roberts It absolutely helps you get over some very dark times, but when you progress to a place where life is better and you feel better, going back into the dark places can have a negative effect. From my personal experience but everyone's a little different
It's like when Daryl from Glassjaw rejected all of his misogynistic and self loathing lyrics from when he was younger, people grow up and don't feel the same way as they did when they were younger. It's like holding people to the same values in their 30s to what they believed in high school and college.
@@patbateman69420 or maybe he's now a man in his late 30s early 40s who doesn't feel like he did when he was 20, he's given interviews where he said his life is a lot more stable now. hey I loved his band when I was younger (still do). I get it people grow up.
@@lewisb85 that's possible I agree but the language he used doesn't make me feel that way. Like the other commenter said, it seemed like just a bunch of virtue signaling.
That's EXACTLY probably what hes realizing and doesnt want to be THAT GUY anymore..what Finn read,what Frankie said sounded as genuine as a person could possibly be IMO and I think hes sick of being looked at too like the guy that just says shit for shock value and doesnt stick to his word or guns on shit...you actually inadvertently showed one of the reasonable I'm sure hes sick of that person he was..just saying..I also understand why u say what u said lol
Another great video. You are, for the most part, very unbiased about your videos and back your claims with facts, personal experiences, and relatable stories/thoughts. Your videos are done SO well, It actually allows for some people with somewhat of a ‘closed mind’ to actually listen, appreciate, and even open their minds to new views on these topics and so many others. Once the mind is willing to open and to listen. It is more willing to appreciate different viewpoints, opinions, and feelings. You have changed my mind on several things over the years and it was 100% to due with factual backing or just plain common sense that is good at blinding others. Keep up your videos man. I love them. They have been making my mornings before work something to look forward too, not to mention, incredibly informational. I always try to start my day/week with a TedTalk and a Video from Finn. Thank you from a big fan 🤘🏼
This is why in old school Heavy Metal they used tails from mythology or metaphors, no need to use yourself as the material for the songs. You can insert your feelings into a story and make it immortal.
This is THE MOST important conversation. I'm an incredibly positive and happy person, and my genre of music is this one where negative emotions are often at the forefront. What does this mean? How is the music affecting my being? I think about this every day. Loved this video with a passion, Finn ❤️
I often had this kind of thoughts - I'm a positive and happy-spirited person, however I love deathcore and heavy music in general, or melodic hardcore which has often a sad-angry-desperate tone to it . but I don't think it actually affects me almost at all to my general well-being (in fact just the feeling of letting it go while listening to those tracks makes me feel often even better and relieved of any temporary stress i might have), but even if for the artist is often a lot more than just entertainment I do respect that but I take it as entertainment relative to my own being
For me personally it means only listening to albums like Holy Hell and Alien a handful of times before I have to put them away. They're brilliant pieces of art, and I love those bands, but I just can't spend that much time with those kinds of albums before I need a pop-punk cleanse.
As a relatively positive person, I never identified with your typical metal lyrics; I guess that I just always loved the unique intensity that the sound brings.
I'm usually pretty depressed when I'm by myself but I try to be somewhat positive around others. I don't like bringing anyone else down because of what I'm going through but people are usually a bit surprised that I listen to pretty heavy music. I don't always relate to the lyrics and I understand that but I love the sound of heavy metal/metalcore/whatever you want to call it. The dynamic between screaming, breakdowns, clean vocals, melancholic parts, mixed screaming and clean vocals is something I really like listening to.
"Swimming in the cesspool of my own misery" damn dude, love his self realization. Awesome ability to grow and move on. I'm excited to see what he does next.
In a way this reminds me of Devin Townsend, when he was writing all the Strapping Young Lad stuff and his early Devin Townsend Project stuff he was a huge junkie, and the vast majority of his early works were super nihilistic and dark (but you also had less serious shit like Punky Brewster and Ziltoid). Epicloud from what I remember was his first record where he was sober throughout the whole writing process and it's a much more uplifting record because Devin had come to terms with his demons and didn't want to write the same shit he did when he was fucked up, and his albums since then have been like that, still heavy but not in a super dark, edgy sense. As much as I love Alien and City, i'm glad Devin isn't in that toxic place anymore
Great point! He also (dangerously) stopped taking his bipolar meds during the writing process of those SYL albums. I'm glad he stopped that practice. He is a metal god.
Hey, that analogy about the backpack really hit home. 6 months sober. Just had to stop the madness for myself. I’m doing really well now, but I have been carrying those bricks around. I need to drop the pack and keep moving forward. Also, I still listen to a lot of aggressive music, but learned that there is a time and place. Also there is aggressive music that is not negative. Great content hope it keeps coming.
1. You can still be happy and aggressive. 2. There’s plenty of other angry music out there if that is what floats your boat. 3. Happens across all genres, seems like metal is the only one where people get spit on for personal growth. Not an Emmure fan, but still an interesting video.
toyotaecw I truly want to make “happy aggressive” hardcore. I’m glad there’s people who can realize it’s ok to have some positive fun while still wanting to mosh..if that makes sense.
Clyde It makes sense, I like my angry aggressive music, for whatever reason it makes me feel happy and peaceful when I want to bash someone’s head in. I always thought Killswitch was more on the positive side.
Bird O def heard of it. I understand posicore as bands like Chunk No!, Set Your Goals(?). Who else? Those bands were definitely considered corny by the “tastemakers” when I was getting into hardcore. I love those bands, I also came up in the MySpace Crabcore stuff, so I’d love to hear and look at more of these “corny” bands.
3:36 This reminds me of comments on Eminem saying he should get back on drugs because his music was better. Some fans don't really care about the artists they just want what they want. So selfish
To quote Virtute the cat and the Weakerthans, "And listen, about those bitter songs you sing? They're not helping anything. They won't make you strong". This is a very important topic that should be more widely discussed. One of my favourite bands is Carissa's Wierd, and they also happen to be so incredibly sad that I'm drawn towards their music when I'm feeling shitty. But it is actually dangerous for me to listen to them in that mental state because their music makes things worse. So I had to learn to be careful and now I mostly listen to them when I'm either happy or just a bit down. It works for me. As you said, there's a fine line between catharsis and wallowing. When it comes to mental health, accepting your own limitations without falling into self-indulgence is a huge challenge. Anyway, great video as always!
There are so many things I love about this video; things you brought to light, and things that Frankie said. When I was younger, all I listened to was hardcore, punk and metal. Not just because I liked the music, but mostly because when I was younger, I was an angry person with a lot of problems, and the music was an outlet for me to release all of my pent up, unresolved issues. I truly thought it saved me at the time, but looking back, I was only using it to keep myself in that negative place. It made me feel like I wasn't alone, but it never actually solved anything. Now that I'm 27, diagnosed with anxiety and working on myself, I can enjoy the music for what it is, but not use it as a crutch anymore. That and it's exhausting to constantly listen and surround yourself in the negativity. It was such a revelation for me once I realized it that I'm actually writing a novel about the scene to bring to light some of the issues it can cause, especially to people who are struggling and are using music for the wrong reasons. Or are too caught up in the negativity it can bring that they can't find their way out. It's a more common problem than people think, so I'm glad you made this video to shine some light and positivity on the whole situation. It's not uncool to be happy, despite what any basement neckbeards think. (I have to ad a P.S. just because I of course have to point out that the whole scene is not negative, and not everyone thinks or acts this way. I am only speaking from a personal point of view from the negative experiences I had. There's plenty of positives; this video just isn't relevant to them.)
Damn, every last bit of this proves that Frankie is a true artist and an intelligent guy. Through his personal evolution, he laid bare his flaws into some amazing hardcore albums, while also growing as a human being. He may look at his past work critically now, but I genuinely think that in the future he'll look back and appreciate that he was able to document his growth through his band's music. That's what some of the greatest artists in history have done, no matter the medium.
What an awesome video. You rock Finn and Frankie! After experimenting with some psychedelics and falling into a hole during a trip I needed to listen to some music to lift me out and I realized that almost everything I listened to was dark and negative and I realized I didn't like being in that state of mind so often. It took a few years but my music tastes subtly changed from Angry/Angsty/Nasty hateful bands (Acacia Strain, Emmure, Thy art is murder, Linkin Park, Suicide Silence, Infant Annihilator, Carnifex, Korn, Slipknot, Five Finger Death Punch etc...) to bands that lifted me up and reflected more of where I found myself in my evolution of consciousness and self-reflection (TOOL, Periphery, Veil Of maya, Erra, Tesseract, Jinjer, Orbit Culture). Not that I knock my roots... They helped me get through and where I am today, but they served a purpose and sometimes to move on and grow.
This kind of reminds me of that whole “music saved my life” phase in the early 2010’s. If music really helped you get through tough times, that’s great! But looking back on it now I realize that I, myself was probably more into self loathing than I had to be because of the culture around the music.
Dude that shit still happens I’ve seen so many comments in bands TH-cam music videos of “these lyrics saved me when I was going through a bad time” and what’s funny is the lyrics are about brutal shit which makes no fucking sense lol
A lot of the best songs you’ve ever heard tend to come from a vulnerable state. As a huge fan of Say Anything, I tend to miss the first few albums when Max Bemis was on drugs and in a dark place. Is a Real Boy, In Defense of the Genre. I would always get mad when I was younger because he changed his sound in later albums and I finally came to accept that he is in a better place in his life with a family. It truly is selfish when you want a person to go back to a dark place for your entertainment. I still listen to Emmure to this day, I can’t say it has ever made me sad or in a dark place, it is kind of nice to know you’re not the only one going through things and I think it is a way to cope when listening. I’m glad he is moving on and growing sometimes you just need to do what’s best for you, it is part of growing up! Love your videos keep it up 👍
Having recently become clean and dealing with mental health issues, I love that Frankie and others like you have grown- to be better versions of themselves. If you're not happy with who you are, you have to do something about it.
Incredible insight from The Internet's Premiere Emmure Journalist :) But seriously, what would be sooo easy to use as a springboard to clown on a guy in any other extreme music forum is instead a jumping off point for some helpful discussion about behavioral health. This is the kind of thing that puts TPRMBA on a different level. Thank you.
This is so awesome tbh. I remember being so torn as a kid between loving Emmure and a band and for their music but really not liking or wanting to like them because of Frankie and who he was and what he said. But also as I've grown, gotten out of the scene for it being so negative and detrimental to my mental health, and teach kids about people who would say the same kind of stuff but won't choose to change and even play hands into running the world, I've realized people like Frankie ie celebrities/artists who have said controversial stuff but are willing to grow and change and admit they've done wrong, we should let them. So glad to see he's growing and and admitting to his faults like me, it makes me really happy and maybe I can finally go back and listen to some Emmure again without feeling guilty. Thanks as always Finn! and can't wait for the video next week!
I just listen to metal/hardcore music just because it sounds dope as hell. Sure there are few songs that I listen to because the lyrics are good, but I like smart ways of putting stuff into words and don't really have emotional connection with them too often. Don't know if there are many people like me listening to this sort of music, but for me pop and rap are musically too tame very often and positive lyrics are very boring more often than not imo.
This is my favorite video of yours so far! This needed to be talked about. What's real to you now isn't going to be what you think it real after 10+ years of having shouted it every day.
Straight up, this band took it so over the top that they brought me THROUGH. Like as a teenager they started teaching me that when I identified with the lyrics I was taking something or myself WAY too seriously & to shut it down. Those guys are the gift of a bad acid trip without the 12hr commitment lolz
props to Frankie. I hung out with him and the band back in the Jesse Ketive days one night when my local fire marshal(South Texas) shut the show down. He was a really quiet dude, you could see he had some demons he was fighting. He actually introduced me to Skrillex that night. I was shocked that he was into that music that i had never even heard of and gaming. One cool moment i had with him is when the bus had fans from Mexico crying out for Frankie to come out. He invited me out with him and we both signed autographs together. Kids were asking me for my autograph thinking i was in the band, i looked over at him and he gave me the shoulder shrug and told me "go for it". So somewhere a group of people have my autograph. I quit listening to EMMURE when the members of that time left frankie, but I'm glad to see him doing better.....even though this was a year ago.
I’ve been a fan of Emmure since 2009 and I’m so happy that Frankie is moving forward like this. It’s a very brave thing to do in a scene that will tear down artists at any opportunity whenever they change their attitude in any way. Artists aren’t cartoon characters who need to stick to a persona. If that’s just not who they are anymore, then self-realization and enacting positive change is absolutely the realest thing they can do.
Massive respect for Frankie on this I can attest to self medication as discussed doesn't work. I stayed straight edge until I was 18 (partly probably because I wasn't invited to a party in the 'party' sense, if you understand what I mean, until I was 17 so I wasn't surrounded by it) then at 18 I started smoking cigs, some flower, then slowly started drinking until I started to heavily drink almost every day of the week at Uni, then started getting involved with other stuff at 19/20. My sudden dive into it from having a mindset so strong against it was partly because I felt like I had catching up to do from school, and it made me feel relaxed and free as I was pretty insecure for ages due to childhood bullying and teenage leg breaking physical assault. Although the memories I've made and people I've met through my involvement with substances and alcohol have cured the majority of my insecurities, they also led to me being sectioned for psychosis in 2018, and have exemplified my paranoia. Thankfully, I met some truly amazing people during the end of 2017 who I'm still friends/ live with now who noticed my bad mental health issues and took me to attain professional medical help, which in turn resulted in me having medical evidence that kept me in University; and nowadays I'm doing pretty well, not really having identity crisis' anymore, and I have a lot more self control when it comes to toxifying substances; although in certain cases my self control isn't the greatest (but thankfully it is strong enough to not spend money on it when I'm in a pretty bad money situation like I am now) Anyway, I definitely lost part of who I was during that time, and although I also developed, evolved and changed, I'm remembering the positive parts of who I was and I'm trying to incorporate that into the positive parts of who I am now.
This is one of the reasons I like a lot of KsE songs. Many songs are about making yourself a better person. I’m not saying there aren’t any negative songs, but it’s not many for KsE. There is a lot of negativity in metal/punk/etc.
I want to take this moment to share a random thought: The Punk Rock MBA and Nick's Strength and Power are like the exact same channels each covering my main interests- Heavy music and Bodybuilding. You both have super in depth insight into the culture's histories and give your opinions bluntly and point blank, which I deeply respect. Anyway, love this channel. Keep it up, Finn
I used to be a huge drug addict who was doing oxycontin 80s every day and smoking fentanyl to get off. Then one day I just realized that none of it was worth it. I then went through several years of what I thought it was being a regular person until my dad died. A year went by where I had to deal with the aftermath of his death and his side of the family, my mom got cancer. I had to take over an estate that was in probate for 20 years and my mom had to prepare to go on dialysis. All of this lead me to have crippling anxiety attacks. So a little over a year ago I decided to get help and was declared clinically depressed. I was put on antidepressants and a regimen of 1 10mg valium every 8 hours. My life has totally changed, I bought a house, moved my mom in so she can do in home dialysis, bought a car, and I'm genuinely happy. I may be single and have 2 cats while living with my mom, I'd have it no other way. People hear my story these days and question it sometimes. They have a hard time believing that I've changed and people I grew up with want to dog on me for wearing polo shirts, slacks, and generally dress nice. They think it's all an act when I've really just grown as a person. I fully accept the shit that I did that was fucked up in the past but that's not who I am anymore. I had to let go of a lot of people who were very important to me and still are, I just cant be around them anymore. Didnt mean for this to be a soap box but these tweets this guy put out really resonate with me. I don't even know who he is I'm just glad he's bettering himself.
One of the reasons I’ve always loved SEVENDUST is even when their lyrics had darker subject matter, those emotions were always resolved in a very positive, triumphant way at the end of their songs.
The other side of the coin is: I’m a musician and I listen to metal and hardcore because it’s sonically pleasing. I could give two shits about the content of the vocalists lyrics so long as their voice is solid. I love the technically and aggression, but my mood is never effected negatively by this kind of music. The only shift in mood I get would be excitement or energy. That being said, I am me other people are other people - so I get how others could find their way into a negative headspace with such aggressive lyrical content.
Honestly, solid video. This is actually a pretty good learning tool and it’s pretty insightful. Listeners should definitely take lyrics with a grain of salt and realize that while some lyrics talk about some shit that is...not always so positive lol, it’s not meant to encourage people to do and shit either. 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
This is something I've always been cognizant of with a lot of the bands I've always been drawn to. You connect with the lyrics, and maybe part of the story they're telling resonates with you, and it can be cathartic and there's a sense of camaraderie in that. But on the other side of the coin, the bands (and generally the vocalist) has to relive that event, that trauma, that emotion night after night onstage. Cory from Norma Jean recently talked about this, and how it can push you to a dark place, and that you have to be vigilant to pull yourself back out into present reality; I think that's an important thing that we need to recognize about the bands we all love. Massive kudos to you for shining a light on this, and kudos to Frankie for sparking the conversation. I send him my sincere well-wishes.
This discussion actually made me realize how much I have grown emotionally over the years. I played in several bands for over a decade, was in pain while writing lyrics, while screaming/singing them and didn't get any better by only listening to negative output by bands that seemed like they feel the same. I still enjoy listening to angry and depressing stuff but need a break sometimes and put on something like Sinatra for example. Just a couple of months ago, I felt emotionally numb. I almost couldn't feel anything and then something happened. At first I was completely overwhelmed by feeling something else than self hatred, sadness and anger, but now I embrace everything that is new and positive and know that even though I thought that the music I made and was listening to would help me to cope, it actually didn't.
Hey Finn, I’ve been watching for a while now and I’ve commented on a lot of your stuff from here to Instagram and today I thought about this video and whenever people told me that what I listen to might effect my mood negatively I always thought they were full of shit but I took an honest look and I’ve been ridden with anxiety and have been down for a while and I looked at everything I listen to and every single thing is either angry or sad and now I can see how it’s probably not healthy to listen to that ALL the time and it’s turned into dwelling in it rather than being a release. So your video helped me and I wanted to thank you. Love your channel dude! Keep it coming!
Seeing how passionate you are with this topic makes me so happy. I'm glad you chose to make a video on this, for it brings up a very important and exigent topic in the heavy music scene. And it isn't one that is easily tackleable, since there are so many different facets to this whether it be the artists making this music, their emotions and processing, whether it is helping them or furthering their issues, and then the realm of the fans and if the music is helping or hurting them in the sense of how you brought up wallowing or catharism. On top of the entitlement of some fans that think an artist, another human being, is there to serve their pleasure at all costs even if it means continuing the negative and damaging behavior that is so easily associated with musicians in the heavy realm. Kudos to this video, to Frankie, and to the discourse this sort of topic can spark. I hope you have a follow up video that goes more in depth into this topic, outside of specifically Frankie and more so into what his remarks mean from a holistic point of view. All love, what a great discourse this video has begun.
I've written songs for my band that have lyrics that are mostly around negative subjects and some that aren't. I don't believe there's a one size fits all approach to it because when I play the songs live they're cathartic and help me release, the same goes for the songs I listen to. I don't think only listening to songs that have negative lyrics is outright bad for you and some research says that it's the opposite. It depends where the foundation of his songs come from and how much those topics affect him. It reminds me of what Dallas Green said “I love all types of music. I just don’t write party songs. Whenever I feel restless, I write about it. It’s easy to dismiss my music as sad, and that’s fine. But it’s because whenever I’m happy or when I’m out at the bar with my friends, I don’t feel like writing a song about that.”
This is exactly why I got into EDM in 2012, around when dubstep was popping and deathcore was juuuust waning. I was starting college, and a lot of the negative undercurrent of the metal scene didn't resonate with me now that I was starting a new stage of life. It didn't help that a lot of my metalhead friends were exactly like the kind of people described at 1:19, and would call anything that didn't exactly fit their tastes "trash". Meanwhile the EDM community was all about positivity and unity, and dubstep still had that heaviness and aggression that I still crave to this day, and I consider my rave crew tighter and more healthy than a lot of the relationships I had back in the day
When I first saw this video, I was a little bit unsure what to make of it and felt disappointed in the fact most of my musical diet does consist of metal and hardcore. After doing some reflecting I came to the hard realisation that the reason I’m listening to this kind of music so much is because of the fact that upbeat music reminds me of how unhappy I am with my life at the moment. I need to change things, starting with my unrealistic expectations of what I need in order to be happy. Thanks for existing, Finn. Not only am I getting killer business advice from your videos, but I’m growing as a person too.
I FEELS it man. I had to stop listening to some bands like amity for a while because although at the end of the day they mean to inspire hope, a lot of those lyrics ARE very negative. Exactly like you said, instead of using that opportunity to find ways to improve myself, i let it consume me and allowed myself to wallow in all those negative feelings. Ive ruined friendships and almost certain i destroyed my image for others. I listen to the music now because i understand what it was like to feel those things, but i dont ever want to go back.
You should start a channel called The Punk Rock Therapist. I really love the way you talk about mental health, and addiction, and being a grown up and learning to be real. You’re a really good role model in a scene that attracts a lot of kids that unfortunately don’t have many of those in the adults in their lives. Keep up the good work.
I used to thing listening to sad music helped get my problems out but since then i realised i need that happy stuff there too. I do gravitate to darker sounds but i don't want to listen to depressing stuff everyday. Need that balance. Funny enough though The Cure does both
Angelmaker is amazing at bringing both together as well. "FOR WHAT IS LIFE WITHOUT BALANCE AND WHAT IS DARK WITHOUT LIGHT? THOUGH I MAY LOVE BEING ONE WITH DARKNESS WE COULD ALL USE A LITTLE LIGHT"...
@@Remmy0930 I'm not to big on Angelmaker myseld. Ii meant as in The Cure hsve these really dark Goth/Alt Rock stuff but then they also have the really happy pop songs.
@@ThatBlindGuy247 Yeah I know what your saying. I'm also saying that Angelmaker is similar in the fact that they have negative lyrics but they also have positive lyrics for self growth and reflection. They don't JUST write negative music, they also make positive music. So in that way they are SIMILAR is what I was saying. I'm not a fan of The Cure either so we're even lol.
And this is why we listen to music like this. We hope in ourselves that we can grow, and while listening to these lyrics, we see ourselves where we are now and think about where we want to grow. Frankie has just stated that he has actually grown into that person that he has wished to become, and that's awesome
Just like Chester from Linkin Park. He had to continue to re-live all of his trauma constantly since he was younger. And the band continued to play off of his pain for decades. LP then released a positive poppy album and everybody shit on it. Chester stated he healed during it. I'm sure staying with all those negative lyrics and then going positive and being shit on killed him.
People are assuming that everyone takes notice of the lyrics. I love metal but listen for the musicality. I have listened to Emmure and couldn't really tell you anything about the lyrics. I just like the groove and energy of the songs. We are not all into metal for the positivity or negativity of the lyrics!
Este es mi video favorito de tu cuenta, gracias. Mucho más allá del contenido *musical* de tus videos, me encanta la parte que incluye cosas personales y consejos de crecimiento. Saludos desde Colombia
Incredibly well thought out and honest analysis. I have been chewing on this for a long time as I noticed how angry music I loved affected me. This video puts it into words. Thank you!! To add the the conversation, Dr. Jordan Peterson has pointed out that the pleasure center of the brain is activated when one is angry. He also acknowledges that anger can lead to destruction if not harnessed appropriately. Helpful to know when trying understand our love for heavy music. Thanks again.
PunkRockMBA, Your channel and everything you've uploaded recently happens to just fit with where I'm at in the world so much and I'm so grateful for it. Thank you man, hope you're having a great day cause you made mine a little better c:
Shows to me have always been a multifaceted event. Part aggression release, part communal experience, part party without booze or dope (now, wasn't always that way as I used to stay loaded and shows were just the party part for years). Music I listen to usually reflects my mood or whatever I'm dealing with and acts as an outlet. But not to lay down and die or whatever. I don't know much of anyone that listens to music to wallow in their misery aside from genres and scenes that have commodified misery and use it as a selling point like like 00's Emo, current day xan and lean sad boy rap and shit like that. I may feel annoyed by a trip to the grocery store and a shitty interaction I had inside and throw on Storm of Sedition or whatever on the way outta there but by the time I get to the house I'm usually not feeling that way cause the music acted as an outlet for the immediate emotional response. I've never seen music as a way of maintaining poor mental and emotional health. That has actually always been my main objection to scenes and genres that have misery as a selling point. I didn't think it was healthy for teens to listen to so much music about depression and suicide back when Hawthorne Heights style emo was big and as a recovering addict absolutely hate that so much of what's popular today pushes Xanax, Percocets, lean, booze and identifying with crippling depression and anxiety in a way that only leaves one outcome since they never talk about treatment or it getting better, just intoxication and death as relief from the suffering. But it's a feedback loop with no escape. Eventually ya end up in prison, devastatingly harmed by seizures or strokes, dead of an overdose or ya get help and get clean. Most of the time music for me has been a way of getting past certain things inside myself or having a good time. If it's anything else to you then it's very likely an unhealthy relationship that needs to be reexamined. I also hate how people are with artists they like. Most of us are guilty of it to some degree. A great example of a dramatic one has to be Pat "The Bunny" Schneeweiss. He was an alcoholic teen with very personal lyrics that were hella relatable to a lotta people but he also had some politically charged lyrics so it appealed to a wider audience when he was in Johnny Hobo and the Freight Trains. Then he killed that project and kicked off Wingnut Dishwashers Union and the lyrics matured some, while still very personal and relatable anarchism played a much more central role than before but he'd also gotten well into an opiate addiction that was tearing him apart. Eventually he hits rehab and gets clean and that's where the trouble starts. We're about the same age and our paths as addicts followed a similar timeline, but he got clean and I was still shooting dope and running my life into the ground as far as I can take it. So when he pops back up clean with Ramshackle Glory I wasn't really trying to hear songs like that. At all. And others I knew were far more irritated with the change. The music in Ramshackle Glory and the solo albums before he retired had anarchism front and center as well as his recovery, how his politics and active use were incompatible, guilt over thinks he'd done, a mix of optimism and realism that was more nuanced than before, just a whole bunch of shit we weren't feeling as junkies. But then I got sober and the album they'd released up to that point (Live the Dream) became one of the most important pieces of music that's ever existed to me exactly because of all the stuff I'd hated about it before and over the years I've talked to mad people who had a similar experience with it. Through relapse and finally finding a sobriety that I have made work for a few years now, that record and the ones they released after, as well as his solo albums, have been easily the most relatable and important music to me with the main differences in our lives being that he started in middle class Vermont and I started in the hoods of NYC. But a dude who plays music and is expressing how lost, miserable and strung out he is gets clean and starts making music that's in many ways far better, but absolutely no worse than before, and a significant part of his fan base is upset with him for refusing to play anything he wrote as an active user and for making music detailing sobriety and all the shit that comes with it. They'd rather he died than change. That's incredibly sick and not anything to do with some big artist but an under-underground artist. I couldn't believe how people took so poorly to somebody daring to make the only decision available if he wanted to live! While Madonna and similar artists making strange ass songs and vids that are supposed to be political do often come off as mad disingenuous and corny af, we also see a whole lot of bands/artists take heat for having an opinion or taking a stand on something. I remember after 9/11 when the war drums were being pounded everywhere in mainstream media and politicians, pundits and the like were out doing everything they could to propagandize and misinform the US into war a lotta bands stood up and said "fuck that!" and many took endless heat for it by "bringing politics into their music". If the music is the expression of the artist and the artist has a perspective on something other than what they normally touch on and all of a sudden it's an issue. Bands like Fit For An Autopsy, Thy Art Is Murder and a slew of other bands took shit for some of the things they've released. We've seen it happen over and over again. Yeah, I've had bands that I'd been supportive of come out with some pretty awful rhetoric, ideas, positions, politics, ethical perspectives, etc, but that's them and while I may not like what they have to say I just walk away. I don't beg them to take it back so I can keep listening to their shit like it never happened lol I accept that some are assholes and don't give em my money. But that's not the approach a lotta people take. So just be careful. These are real people and real people can be awesome or horrible, but they can also change and it's pretty painful to see fans bug out over their favorite artist taking a new direction. I love AFI's first few records but the later stuff ain't for me, but I don't hate em for going in that direction. It's not my art or my self-expression to police. I'm just a consumer of it like everyone else and while I may identify with something that fact doesn't change. So good for him. Anybody who has made anything has things that they no longer feel so good about with the passing years. It's completely healthy and normal. I wrote tons of music back in my teens and early twenties that I wouldn't play today for a number of reasons. I still hold many of those same positions and don't even disagree with the overall point I was making with some of it, just how I made it. I'm no longer in the streets, shooting dope or anything like that so it makes no sense for me to sing the stuff I wrote when I was. But if I had a following instead of it just being a hobby and thing to do with friends at this point (haven't played a show in almost a decade) the pressure to play that stuff would undoubtedly get to me and would be incredibly unhealthy. Hell, just the little following the bands I've been in have had would frequently request we play certain songs of ours so I can only imagine if we were still at it cause some of that shit I absolutely would not play today. Be safe. Be careful. Be you. ✊👊✌♥A///E
I'm 40 years old. You and I see eye to eye, sir. Regarding music and aging, you speak exactly what is in my brains. I appreciate you and your work. See you in the pit, muhfuka.
This is one of the reasons I left the metal scene. I still love the music and I take a lot of influence from it but I was tired of dwelling in my depression and being surrounded by negative people full of hate, and sometimes even racism and misogyny, and I had to question why I was even there if I was so miserable and hated it. I wanted to love metal again not continue to hate it.
Something I heard in a CES Cru album review is that its "aggressive but not violent". That really struck me and changed my perception of music it made me realize that negativity isn't necessary to create intensity. It also helps me avoid musicians that take themselves too seriously, it's okay to have fun.
"Thoughts become things". I was more into metal in highschool. But at some point, if it wasn't Pantera or Motorhead I just lost interest. I opted for old blues and country. Folks, Hank Williams had some sad songs. In my early 20s I had written quite a few pitiful lyrics. By my mid 30s, divorced and broke, I realized that a lot of my songs had become more true with time. After that, I still love sad songs because it IS cathartic. But I write more from a position of owning the feelings and letting it go rather than feeling doomed. It sounds silly, but life is better now.
Solid video. You hit a lot of really good points with this discussion. Personally had to ask myself a number of years back whether or not the music I listened to daily was affecting me negatively, so I’m honestly glad to hear about others needing to do the same. Keep up the good work. 🤘🏻
Good for Frankie for having the balls to publicly say these things and be so open about it all. That’s not easy especially when those songs are what got him to where he is at in the first place. We as fans should always remember these artists feel these lyrics way more deeper than any of us ever could. Thanks Finn for bringing this forward and sharing it with all of us. I hate Twitter lol.
Same here pretty much...like Max from Sepultura has some of the most kindergarden lyrics ever, just... beyond as basic and dumb as hell at times,lol, but the old Sep is so sick no one cared.haha
@@KawiMusician I wouldn't know I really don't pay attention to metal lyrics lol it started with Jonathan Davis from Korn cus she was so depressing to listen to I quit caring for lyrics after that..
metal lyrics are cringey but they're also big dumb fun. Think of them as horror B movies. AND they're actually less negative/depressing than what Finn is talking about in this vid. They're not bleak introspective lyrics that take a toll on your psyche. On the contrary : they're FUN. That's why I personally like them better then what's featured here in this vid
As a guitarist, I personally listen to heavy music not for the lyrics but for the groove of the guitar/drums. The heaviness just gets me pumped and when I'm struggling to fix something on my car or working out, it pushes me further and helps me to achieve success.
Hmm let’s hear from the several past members of Emmure that have all quit because of Frankie and see how they feel! Emmure is the Frankie Palmerie project...of course he’s going to try to save his washed up image. It’ll work for a bit, I’ll give it an album cycle before he implodes on himself again.
Have you ever even blared “Beast” by TAS while lifting? That amount of seething negativity and hatred will get you 10-15 more pounds and at least 10 more reps on your bench press.
Yes. And my gym playlist is chock full of TAS and Expire. But there's a time and place for everything; I can't just hang out at home, winding down, and listen to "The Hills Have Eyes" before I get ready for bed.
Incredibly inspirational and admirable of Frankie to put that out to world, positive growth is cool. Thanks for helping spread this motivational message Finn, I would not have ever seen this if you didn’t make this video. One of my favorite TH-cam channels of all time!
I’ve actually thought a lot about this, both from a fan and musician standpoint. Even just performing certain songs or bands that I very much relate to on a deep personal and emotional level really made me see how I can spiral downward if I stay in that mental abyss. This became particularly true for me in the wake of Chris Cornell’s death. Here’s a guy who has been sober for years, continues to struggle with massive depression, and yet was still regularly singing and writing nihilistic songs like Pretty Noose, Fell on Black Days, and Blow Up the Outside World. Songs I love that have really helped me. But singing those songs night after night really sinks into you after awhile. He was the quintessential suffering artist who took his pain and really put into into every note and word of his music. And it literally killed him. I definitely don’t want to remove the pain and suffering from music and lyrics because that’s where growth and catharsis comes from. But it’s important to be mindful of just how much some music can really beat you down and keep you there if you aren’t getting stronger and overcoming it. I think a great example of the right way to approach this is what Eddie Vedder said about the song Alive. It was about something very personal and upsetting to him. The chorus was actually intended to be an ironic lament about being alive but fans found such power in that chorus, adopting it as a positive anthem for life, that Eddie eventually admitted that the song had new meaning for him. We should encourage more artists in this way.
I’ve been on an emmure kick lately, this video popped up so I watched it again (I’ve been watching your channel basically since it started 🙏) and it was a good reminder to check myself. Emmure’s music absolutely can affect how I think and treat people, and I need to be so aware of that now that I have a kid. They’re one of my top 5 favorite bands but I need to monitor that negativity I consume very closely. Anyway I love this specific format for what it’s worth.
Music didn’t help me grow but wallow, I listen to heavy music now with a new mindset and a different perspective. It takes personal realization and a positive push in a constructive direction to grow. Good for Frankie!
Just before Emmure was signed, they were on tour with Farewell to Freeway. My band based out of Hattiesburg MS found them on MySpace and saw they had a three day break in between shows in Pensacola and New Orleans. We had a show during those dates and reached out to them and asked if they wanted to jump on the bill. They accepted but Emmure's van broke down in Pensacola. Frankie rode up with Farewell to Freeway to sell merchant at our show. We housed them while they got their van fixed. Frankie did party pretty hard and was a bit of a loose cannon, but he was a genuinely good dude. Glad to see this. Although I was never big on all the angst in his lyrics, I always rooted for him.
I get where you're coming from and it's important to know yourself and your own personal limits, but honestly most of the time heavy, crushing riffs just straight up put a smile on my face.
Just wanna say even when I don’t agree on your music opinions I always appreciate your videos. You always come from an informed and well thought out place, are entertaining and have a positive message that I’m glad people can hear. I relate to a lot of what you say about your past experiences and how you choose to live now and think your approach to sharing that is awesome.
I can relate to that "rejecting old lyrics" a lot. I will find songs or poems that I wrote a few years ago, and they are all based on the pain I felt while in an abusive relationship, and I don't like to visit those emotions any more because I have moved on! I am excited to see Frankie being able to reflect and say "I am moving on" as well.
Gypsy Disco and Pigs Ear prove that their sound will live on and progress. The lyrics of these songs show me he hasn't totally moved on and the songs are truly cathartic for him in some way. He does suggest where he aspires to be, but he still has to battle the demons. After a few shitty shifts at work I love to decompress by jamming out some Emmure. I have the ability to separate real life with entertainment. I can live vicariously for a moment through the band's music despite whether it is perceived as good or bad, peaceful or violent, reverent or blasphemed, etc... We as fans don't need to take it personally; a person will grow or regress despite other's wishes. Stay on board and continue to listen to the new material, which ever way it may go, or jump off and move on to new things.
Not personally an Emmure fan but the topic of the video is important. I’ve pondered on the idea of negative lyrics being detrimental to someone in a negative state countless times. I’ve used them in a cathartic way but also admittedly in a wallowing sense. I can usually see when it’s happening and stop myself (thankfully). Great video, Finn!
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First of all: if lyrics like he used to have are not comfortable for him now - let him change as he wants. It is his life. Period.
Now about the opinion, i certainly agree with those people that gave a shout out to his lyrics in comments.
There is an interview on TH-cam where Frankie says smth like: "What REALLY defines an objectively #good lyrics? Who decides that? If you say 'fuck you' and it is sincere - that works for me". I can really relate to that.
Their lyrics in first place, together with influence of nu-metal, are the things that made me to love exactly this band among the others. It is because those emotional/angry lyrics that most people believe are "stupid" are ALLOWED in this genre, i am a fan of it for life.
If you will take this thing away from heavy music - i would switch to pop/rap, as he twitted. All different range of feelings are better for me in all those other, non-heavy, genres.
Cheers.
Yeah I’m all caught up. Great episodes!
Im all caught up! Loved the Shinigami episode! and I can't wait to hear the ridge wallet sponsorship ad runs on it! For real keep it up we love it!!
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i thank you for the videos you make especially this video in particular is very insightful an uplifting. If its true if you listen to dark music all the time i too notice whenever ive listened to metal its takes me to a angry rebellious mind state so i switch between classic rock 60 70 an 80s to alternative rock or skater rock thats a bit more uplifting they do sing about troubles but more times then not they end it with a positive twist
Dear God, I will never be so glad that I didn't have a microphone or a camera to document all the stupid crap I said and did when I was growing up.
I’m a kid, and I’ve left *so* many stupid comments all over TH-cam in the year and a half I’ve been here…yeah sometimes I wish I wasn’t allowed to have internet access lol
I remember writing to a local music website at 18, asking to remove a 'strongly worded' comment about Marilyn Manson I wrote at 12 and signed with my full name 😁
Six-245 hahaha that’s amazing
Icynox46 I was just thinking the exact same thing...
@@FabulousKilljoy yep all those comments will be found and published if you ever try and have any job that puts you in the public eye.
I just see a man coming to terms with his youth. He is acknowledging that he's grown and who he is at the moment. As a former active drug addict, I get it.
Former active drug addict? Lmao
@@ricksanchezito8972 yeah once you get clean you ain't an active addict
Exactly. People grow, especially those like us. We don't stay in that same life if we want to make it.
dude i tried to clean my screen thinking that fly in your avatar was real
You are either former or active, not both.
Ever notice how the scene loves to hate on the bands being positive? Whenever someone actually believes in something other than misery and self doubt it’s labeled “corny”. Love to hear people thoughts and observations of this in the scene.
Yep
Thats because it is corny. Its like a wwe wrestler coming out to an acoustic song about hugging.
YES. Just go listen to your miserable music and be miserable and don't worry about it if you think it's corny. If it really does bother you then spending your energy hating on it is just proving the point. They're happy, it ain't gonna bother them none so do what ye will
@A G It's supposed to be more of an intimidating "I'm gonna woop your butt vibe" you know that's what everyone came to see. Same with hardcore
Tbh that's the one of the reasons I love acacia strain even more now. Sure their music is still heavy obviously but I appreciate how Vincent is being more of a positive person now.
I met Frankie twice. Once on tour way back in the day. I remember him being so angry and just didn't want to be around people it kind of put me off the band. The second time I met him was at the shooting for flag of the beast. He seemed like a completely different person. He was so composed and humble I felt happy. It was like he found happiness for himself. The fact that people would see this as a bad thing blows my mind.
I definitely didn't understand why people and bands "changed" when I was a teenager. But I'm almost 25, I've got kids, I understand growth now. I'm not the same as I was 10 years ago, I wouldn't want to be. It's amazing that Frankie is reflecting on his life and growing and moving forward. Your videos have also turned me on to Emmure as well lol. Never gave them a chance for whatever reason until your most hated bands videos. I'm a fan now. And to see the positive changes in Frankie makes me excited for the next era in Emmures music
You're still a kid
@@absolutedeath_666 24 is young adult not a kid
"I'm not the same as I was 10 years ago, I wouldn't want to be" No shit, you were 14 ten years ago.
PSA don't have kids in your early 20s people
@@Washanuga for some people it's fine like my friend has young parents, but they're great parents.
PhantomOfDelphi 24 - 10 = 14!!! Oh wow good job buddy
What pisses me off Is that a lot of people refuse to allow others (and sometimes themselves) to grow. So something somebody did years past and are regretful for they should be allowed to grow from that but some people nowadays hate that.
People talk about growth but then hold something somebody did years ago over their head, refusing to let them grow even if they're regretful of it. Which is counterintuitive for growth and mental well-being.
dude - take your first sentence and apply to every "the first fucking album, best fuckin album! everything else sucks!" type of metalhead and count how many there are - you shouldn't even be suprirsed that you are pissed by this mentality :)))
@@mike_tkgchs Well, to be fair, a lot of bands do indeed have one amazing album and then fall off. You can't deny that. It's like they say, you have your whole life to write your first album and then 6 months to write the next one. Besides, pressure from your label, new fans, etc. really takes a toll on your music. Don't let "growth" be an excuse to accept every change in direction every band has, a ton of bands fell off.
@@jackwithahat8601 absolutely agree! what i was referring to are the guys that say everything else sucks cuz they changed and often they manage to refer to bands that actually put up extremely good albums. i mean look at the bring me the horizon purists that are NOW saying they should have never left the style of count your blessings.
This goes for feeling bad for someone's past as well, if someone wants to cry about something awful in their past, the fact that they are crying or experience pain from it is just a part of them growing from the negative experience. If you feel bad for them, or try to tell them to stop crying and that it's okay, you're extending the negative experience to the current day or telling them to not grow from the experience. Of course it hurts to watch good people go through pain, but if you care about someone you'll allow them to go ahead with their experiences the way they need to personally. In the end the individual needs to grow, they'll be a better person after it's said and done. Your faults create the character you are, meaning is derived from conflict.
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Man just developed to be someone that those lyrics don't reflect anymore. Pretty normal thing as far as I'm concerned 🤷🏻♂️
same thing happens in all genres of music, eminem got clean and everyone wants him to start poppin pills and mixing to act crazy because they wanna live off the drug culture. People just don't know how to let go and grow up.
Kool it’s disgusting isn’t it? As soon as BMTH released amo instead of being supportive/constructive criticism people spammed their page and Sykes instagram that he should start doing ketamine etc or people saying Slipknot should start doing drugs again. It’s sad that people wish someone to stay in a living hell for their OWN entertainment.
@@narufan498 Crabs in a bucket headasses
@brandon roberts He really hasn't changed much though. His last album was in part about murdering a woman or something like that. Tyler is an edgy hack.
@@narufan498 It really is, I'd rather have new "different" music from a healthy band who wont OD any given day.
Vincent from TAS has done a similar 180. He preaches positivity in his shows and says his lyrics don't reflect how he feels now. He says he regrets being so bitter towards the world.
Never thought we would see Vincent and Frankie changing their tune for the better.
crazyhasek3921 Vincent's speeches during live shows now are always so emotional. The dude knows how to get across love and positivity like no other. My scene isn't exactly the most friendly, but it always feels like an actual community when The Acacia Strain come through
Vincent Bennett and Frankie Palmeri are on totally different levels.
Yeah I saw them recently for the first time in maybe like 10/11 years I believe since Summer Slob tour ages ago and them comparing TAS then and Vincent then to present times and holy hell as someone who grew up from my teens to adulthood listening and seeing it, the growth and love is actually amazing to see how watching someone become so happy, healthy and positive from being so hateful and angry. Kind of gives hope and hopefully some guidance. That being said those angry lyrics still throw down when they play the throwbacks haha. Same goes for Emmure. All love.
Completely understand this. Lyrics are sometimes describing traumatic events, and reliving that over and over again is not healthy to someone's mental state.
@brandon roberts It absolutely helps you get over some very dark times, but when you progress to a place where life is better and you feel better, going back into the dark places can have a negative effect. From my personal experience but everyone's a little different
It's like when Daryl from Glassjaw rejected all of his misogynistic and self loathing lyrics from when he was younger, people grow up and don't feel the same way as they did when they were younger. It's like holding people to the same values in their 30s to what they believed in high school and college.
I read what Daryl said. I doubt he would have apologized if PC culture wasn't a thing.
@@patbateman69420 or maybe he's now a man in his late 30s early 40s who doesn't feel like he did when he was 20, he's given interviews where he said his life is a lot more stable now. hey I loved his band when I was younger (still do). I get it people grow up.
@@lewisb85 that's possible I agree but the language he used doesn't make me feel that way. Like the other commenter said, it seemed like just a bunch of virtue signaling.
@@dt-hf8vz What is even virtue signaling. That term is most often used as a mere buzzword to mock anyone saying anything remotely progressive.
It is a hollow appeasement without action or meaning behind it.
Damn! Wholesome video of the day award goes to The Punk Rock MBA!
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if i’ve learned one thing from being an Emmure fan for 10+ years, it’s that I never trust anything Frankie says.
That's EXACTLY probably what hes realizing and doesnt want to be THAT GUY anymore..what Finn read,what Frankie said sounded as genuine as a person could possibly be IMO and I think hes sick of being looked at too like the guy that just says shit for shock value and doesnt stick to his word or guns on shit...you actually inadvertently showed one of the reasonable I'm sure hes sick of that person he was..just saying..I also understand why u say what u said lol
the problem is people take this guys lyrics seriously, its story telling at the end of the day...
Completely underrated comment. Dude went from one extreme to another.
Another great video. You are, for the most part, very unbiased about your videos and back your claims with facts, personal experiences, and relatable stories/thoughts. Your videos are done SO well, It actually allows for some people with somewhat of a ‘closed mind’ to actually listen, appreciate, and even open their minds to new views on these topics and so many others. Once the mind is willing to open and to listen. It is more willing to appreciate different viewpoints, opinions, and feelings. You have changed my mind on several things over the years and it was 100% to due with factual backing or just plain common sense that is good at blinding others. Keep up your videos man. I love them. They have been making my mornings before work something to look forward too, not to mention, incredibly informational. I always try to start my day/week with a TedTalk and a Video from Finn. Thank you from a big fan 🤘🏼
Thank you very much, I sincerely appreciate that!
"We were just kids" hits sooo hard. People do change and get away from the catastrophic thoughts, and grow. That's a beautiful thing
This is why in old school Heavy Metal they used tails from mythology or metaphors, no need to use yourself as the material for the songs. You can insert your feelings into a story and make it immortal.
This is THE MOST important conversation. I'm an incredibly positive and happy person, and my genre of music is this one where negative emotions are often at the forefront. What does this mean? How is the music affecting my being? I think about this every day. Loved this video with a passion, Finn ❤️
I often had this kind of thoughts - I'm a positive and happy-spirited person, however I love deathcore and heavy music in general, or melodic hardcore which has often a sad-angry-desperate tone to it . but I don't think it actually affects me almost at all to my general well-being (in fact just the feeling of letting it go while listening to those tracks makes me feel often even better and relieved of any temporary stress i might have), but even if for the artist is often a lot more than just entertainment I do respect that but I take it as entertainment relative to my own being
For me personally it means only listening to albums like Holy Hell and Alien a handful of times before I have to put them away. They're brilliant pieces of art, and I love those bands, but I just can't spend that much time with those kinds of albums before I need a pop-punk cleanse.
João Medeiros hey dude.
As a relatively positive person, I never identified with your typical metal lyrics; I guess that I just always loved the unique intensity that the sound brings.
I'm usually pretty depressed when I'm by myself but I try to be somewhat positive around others. I don't like bringing anyone else down because of what I'm going through but people are usually a bit surprised that I listen to pretty heavy music. I don't always relate to the lyrics and I understand that but I love the sound of heavy metal/metalcore/whatever you want to call it. The dynamic between screaming, breakdowns, clean vocals, melancholic parts, mixed screaming and clean vocals is something I really like listening to.
"Swimming in the cesspool of my own misery" damn dude, love his self realization. Awesome ability to grow and move on. I'm excited to see what he does next.
"i dont smoke but i love the way it smells" limp bizkit lol
Rejekted4Life Frankie is a huge Nu-Metal fan lol pretty tight
Rejekted4Life “here’s a toast to the females...” -indigo flow from three dollar bill y’all best LB record
Just think about it.
Definitely a cocaine joke from way back.
In a way this reminds me of Devin Townsend, when he was writing all the Strapping Young Lad stuff and his early Devin Townsend Project stuff he was a huge junkie, and the vast majority of his early works were super nihilistic and dark (but you also had less serious shit like Punky Brewster and Ziltoid). Epicloud from what I remember was his first record where he was sober throughout the whole writing process and it's a much more uplifting record because Devin had come to terms with his demons and didn't want to write the same shit he did when he was fucked up, and his albums since then have been like that, still heavy but not in a super dark, edgy sense. As much as I love Alien and City, i'm glad Devin isn't in that toxic place anymore
Great point! He also (dangerously) stopped taking his bipolar meds during the writing process of those SYL albums. I'm glad he stopped that practice. He is a metal god.
He was sober since Ki wasn't he? IIRC with Ziltoid he was already on rehab.
And it turns out that he's great as writing positive uplifting music as he is aggressive negative music.
@Grade Grayman umm wrong thread maybe?
@Grade Grayman bruhh I see it now
Hey, that analogy about the backpack really hit home. 6 months sober. Just had to stop the madness for myself. I’m doing really well now, but I have been carrying those bricks around. I need to drop the pack and keep moving forward. Also, I still listen to a lot of aggressive music, but learned that there is a time and place. Also there is aggressive music that is not negative. Great content hope it keeps coming.
1. You can still be happy and aggressive.
2. There’s plenty of other angry music out there if that is what floats your boat.
3. Happens across all genres, seems like metal is the only one where people get spit on for personal growth.
Not an Emmure fan, but still an interesting video.
toyotaecw I truly want to make “happy aggressive” hardcore. I’m glad there’s people who can realize it’s ok to have some positive fun while still wanting to mosh..if that makes sense.
Clyde It makes sense, I like my angry aggressive music, for whatever reason it makes me feel happy and peaceful when I want to bash someone’s head in. I always thought Killswitch was more on the positive side.
@@NeverEvenRaced I want some aggressively happy lyrics.
@@NeverEvenRaced it's called Posicore and they're are tons of bands in the genre.
Bird O def heard of it. I understand posicore as bands like Chunk No!, Set Your Goals(?). Who else? Those bands were definitely considered corny by the “tastemakers” when I was getting into hardcore. I love those bands, I also came up in the MySpace Crabcore stuff, so I’d love to hear and look at more of these “corny” bands.
3:36 This reminds me of comments on Eminem saying he should get back on drugs because his music was better. Some fans don't really care about the artists they just want what they want. So selfish
To quote Virtute the cat and the Weakerthans, "And listen, about those bitter songs you sing? They're not helping anything. They won't make you strong".
This is a very important topic that should be more widely discussed. One of my favourite bands is Carissa's Wierd, and they also happen to be so incredibly sad that I'm drawn towards their music when I'm feeling shitty. But it is actually dangerous for me to listen to them in that mental state because their music makes things worse. So I had to learn to be careful and now I mostly listen to them when I'm either happy or just a bit down. It works for me.
As you said, there's a fine line between catharsis and wallowing. When it comes to mental health, accepting your own limitations without falling into self-indulgence is a huge challenge. Anyway, great video as always!
The weakerthans! No way dude, I totally forgot about them...
hrotha love seeing someone reference the Weakerthans here, one of my fav bands as a teenager
Absolutely love that band and song, and very appropriate in this instance
Throwing my two cents in: hallucinating that your cat is having a conversation with you isn’t going to make you strong either.
Dude, well said.
There are so many things I love about this video; things you brought to light, and things that Frankie said.
When I was younger, all I listened to was hardcore, punk and metal. Not just because I liked the music, but mostly because when I was younger, I was an angry person with a lot of problems, and the music was an outlet for me to release all of my pent up, unresolved issues. I truly thought it saved me at the time, but looking back, I was only using it to keep myself in that negative place. It made me feel like I wasn't alone, but it never actually solved anything.
Now that I'm 27, diagnosed with anxiety and working on myself, I can enjoy the music for what it is, but not use it as a crutch anymore. That and it's exhausting to constantly listen and surround yourself in the negativity. It was such a revelation for me once I realized it that I'm actually writing a novel about the scene to bring to light some of the issues it can cause, especially to people who are struggling and are using music for the wrong reasons. Or are too caught up in the negativity it can bring that they can't find their way out. It's a more common problem than people think, so I'm glad you made this video to shine some light and positivity on the whole situation. It's not uncool to be happy, despite what any basement neckbeards think.
(I have to ad a P.S. just because I of course have to point out that the whole scene is not negative, and not everyone thinks or acts this way. I am only speaking from a personal point of view from the negative experiences I had. There's plenty of positives; this video just isn't relevant to them.)
Damn, every last bit of this proves that Frankie is a true artist and an intelligent guy. Through his personal evolution, he laid bare his flaws into some amazing hardcore albums, while also growing as a human being.
He may look at his past work critically now, but I genuinely think that in the future he'll look back and appreciate that he was able to document his growth through his band's music. That's what some of the greatest artists in history have done, no matter the medium.
What an awesome video. You rock Finn and Frankie! After experimenting with some psychedelics and falling into a hole during a trip I needed to listen to some music to lift me out and I realized that almost everything I listened to was dark and negative and I realized I didn't like being in that state of mind so often. It took a few years but my music tastes subtly changed from Angry/Angsty/Nasty hateful bands (Acacia Strain, Emmure, Thy art is murder, Linkin Park, Suicide Silence, Infant Annihilator, Carnifex, Korn, Slipknot, Five Finger Death Punch etc...) to bands that lifted me up and reflected more of where I found myself in my evolution of consciousness and self-reflection (TOOL, Periphery, Veil Of maya, Erra, Tesseract, Jinjer, Orbit Culture).
Not that I knock my roots... They helped me get through and where I am today, but they served a purpose and sometimes to move on and grow.
This kind of reminds me of that whole “music saved my life” phase in the early 2010’s. If music really helped you get through tough times, that’s great! But looking back on it now I realize that I, myself was probably more into self loathing than I had to be because of the culture around the music.
okay boomer.
Dude that shit still happens I’ve seen so many comments in bands TH-cam music videos of “these lyrics saved me when I was going through a bad time” and what’s funny is the lyrics are about brutal shit which makes no fucking sense lol
A lot of the best songs you’ve ever heard tend to come from a vulnerable state. As a huge fan of Say Anything, I tend to miss the first few albums when Max Bemis was on drugs and in a dark place. Is a Real Boy, In Defense of the Genre. I would always get mad when I was younger because he changed his sound in later albums and I finally came to accept that he is in a better place in his life with a family. It truly is selfish when you want a person to go back to a dark place for your entertainment. I still listen to Emmure to this day, I can’t say it has ever made me sad or in a dark place, it is kind of nice to know you’re not the only one going through things and I think it is a way to cope when listening. I’m glad he is moving on and growing sometimes you just need to do what’s best for you, it is part of growing up! Love your videos keep it up 👍
I can respect Frankie for showing his growth, not identifying with his lyrics anymore and he's doing good
Having recently become clean and dealing with mental health issues, I love that Frankie and others like you have grown- to be better versions of themselves. If you're not happy with who you are, you have to do something about it.
Incredible insight from The Internet's Premiere Emmure Journalist :)
But seriously, what would be sooo easy to use as a springboard to clown on a guy in any other extreme music forum is instead a jumping off point for some helpful discussion about behavioral health. This is the kind of thing that puts TPRMBA on a different level. Thank you.
This is so awesome tbh. I remember being so torn as a kid between loving Emmure and a band and for their music but really not liking or wanting to like them because of Frankie and who he was and what he said. But also as I've grown, gotten out of the scene for it being so negative and detrimental to my mental health, and teach kids about people who would say the same kind of stuff but won't choose to change and even play hands into running the world, I've realized people like Frankie ie celebrities/artists who have said controversial stuff but are willing to grow and change and admit they've done wrong, we should let them. So glad to see he's growing and and admitting to his faults like me, it makes me really happy and maybe I can finally go back and listen to some Emmure again without feeling guilty. Thanks as always Finn! and can't wait for the video next week!
I just listen to metal/hardcore music just because it sounds dope as hell. Sure there are few songs that I listen to because the lyrics are good, but I like smart ways of putting stuff into words and don't really have emotional connection with them too often.
Don't know if there are many people like me listening to this sort of music, but for me pop and rap are musically too tame very often and positive lyrics are very boring more often than not imo.
this is 100% me with Silent Planet
This is my favorite video of yours so far! This needed to be talked about.
What's real to you now isn't going to be what you think it real after 10+ years of having shouted it every day.
Straight up, this band took it so over the top that they brought me THROUGH. Like as a teenager they started teaching me that when I identified with the lyrics I was taking something or myself WAY too seriously & to shut it down. Those guys are the gift of a bad acid trip without the 12hr commitment lolz
props to Frankie. I hung out with him and the band back in the Jesse Ketive days one night when my local fire marshal(South Texas) shut the show down. He was a really quiet dude, you could see he had some demons he was fighting. He actually introduced me to Skrillex that night. I was shocked that he was into that music that i had never even heard of and gaming. One cool moment i had with him is when the bus had fans from Mexico crying out for Frankie to come out. He invited me out with him and we both signed autographs together. Kids were asking me for my autograph thinking i was in the band, i looked over at him and he gave me the shoulder shrug and told me "go for it". So somewhere a group of people have my autograph. I quit listening to EMMURE when the members of that time left frankie, but I'm glad to see him doing better.....even though this was a year ago.
I’ve been a fan of Emmure since 2009 and I’m so happy that Frankie is moving forward like this. It’s a very brave thing to do in a scene that will tear down artists at any opportunity whenever they change their attitude in any way. Artists aren’t cartoon characters who need to stick to a persona. If that’s just not who they are anymore, then self-realization and enacting positive change is absolutely the realest thing they can do.
Massive respect for Frankie on this
I can attest to self medication as discussed doesn't work. I stayed straight edge until I was 18 (partly probably because I wasn't invited to a party in the 'party' sense, if you understand what I mean, until I was 17 so I wasn't surrounded by it) then at 18 I started smoking cigs, some flower, then slowly started drinking until I started to heavily drink almost every day of the week at Uni, then started getting involved with other stuff at 19/20. My sudden dive into it from having a mindset so strong against it was partly because I felt like I had catching up to do from school, and it made me feel relaxed and free as I was pretty insecure for ages due to childhood bullying and teenage leg breaking physical assault. Although the memories I've made and people I've met through my involvement with substances and alcohol have cured the majority of my insecurities, they also led to me being sectioned for psychosis in 2018, and have exemplified my paranoia. Thankfully, I met some truly amazing people during the end of 2017 who I'm still friends/ live with now who noticed my bad mental health issues and took me to attain professional medical help, which in turn resulted in me having medical evidence that kept me in University; and nowadays I'm doing pretty well, not really having identity crisis' anymore, and I have a lot more self control when it comes to toxifying substances; although in certain cases my self control isn't the greatest (but thankfully it is strong enough to not spend money on it when I'm in a pretty bad money situation like I am now)
Anyway, I definitely lost part of who I was during that time, and although I also developed, evolved and changed, I'm remembering the positive parts of who I was and I'm trying to incorporate that into the positive parts of who I am now.
Does this mean Emmure is gonna have positive lyrics now? Should be interesting
Acacia strain / emmure beef 2020 haha
This is one of the reasons I like a lot of KsE songs. Many songs are about making yourself a better person. I’m not saying there aren’t any negative songs, but it’s not many for KsE. There is a lot of negativity in metal/punk/etc.
Seeing "get rowdy" in a Knocked Loose video (the gospel) just showcases it
I want to take this moment to share a random thought:
The Punk Rock MBA and Nick's Strength and Power are like the exact same channels each covering my main interests- Heavy music and Bodybuilding.
You both have super in depth insight into the culture's histories and give your opinions bluntly and point blank, which I deeply respect.
Anyway, love this channel. Keep it up, Finn
Yes! He was one of my big inspirations starting this channel actually. Big fan
I used to be a huge drug addict who was doing oxycontin 80s every day and smoking fentanyl to get off. Then one day I just realized that none of it was worth it. I then went through several years of what I thought it was being a regular person until my dad died. A year went by where I had to deal with the aftermath of his death and his side of the family, my mom got cancer. I had to take over an estate that was in probate for 20 years and my mom had to prepare to go on dialysis. All of this lead me to have crippling anxiety attacks. So a little over a year ago I decided to get help and was declared clinically depressed. I was put on antidepressants and a regimen of 1 10mg valium every 8 hours. My life has totally changed, I bought a house, moved my mom in so she can do in home dialysis, bought a car, and I'm genuinely happy. I may be single and have 2 cats while living with my mom, I'd have it no other way. People hear my story these days and question it sometimes. They have a hard time believing that I've changed and people I grew up with want to dog on me for wearing polo shirts, slacks, and generally dress nice. They think it's all an act when I've really just grown as a person. I fully accept the shit that I did that was fucked up in the past but that's not who I am anymore. I had to let go of a lot of people who were very important to me and still are, I just cant be around them anymore. Didnt mean for this to be a soap box but these tweets this guy put out really resonate with me. I don't even know who he is I'm just glad he's bettering himself.
Thanks for watching dude! Sorry you are dealing with all that shit 🙏🏼
One of the reasons I’ve always loved SEVENDUST is even when their lyrics had darker subject matter, those emotions were always resolved in a very positive, triumphant way at the end of their songs.
The other side of the coin is: I’m a musician and I listen to metal and hardcore because it’s sonically pleasing. I could give two shits about the content of the vocalists lyrics so long as their voice is solid. I love the technically and aggression, but my mood is never effected negatively by this kind of music. The only shift in mood I get would be excitement or energy. That being said, I am me other people are other people - so I get how others could find their way into a negative headspace with such aggressive lyrical content.
Good point nan, I feel the same way about it
Honestly, solid video. This is actually a pretty good learning tool and it’s pretty insightful. Listeners should definitely take lyrics with a grain of salt and realize that while some lyrics talk about some shit that is...not always so positive lol, it’s not meant to encourage people to do and shit either. 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
This is something I've always been cognizant of with a lot of the bands I've always been drawn to. You connect with the lyrics, and maybe part of the story they're telling resonates with you, and it can be cathartic and there's a sense of camaraderie in that. But on the other side of the coin, the bands (and generally the vocalist) has to relive that event, that trauma, that emotion night after night onstage. Cory from Norma Jean recently talked about this, and how it can push you to a dark place, and that you have to be vigilant to pull yourself back out into present reality; I think that's an important thing that we need to recognize about the bands we all love.
Massive kudos to you for shining a light on this, and kudos to Frankie for sparking the conversation. I send him my sincere well-wishes.
This discussion actually made me realize how much I have grown emotionally over the years. I played in several bands for over a decade, was in pain while writing lyrics, while screaming/singing them and didn't get any better by only listening to negative output by bands that seemed like they feel the same.
I still enjoy listening to angry and depressing stuff but need a break sometimes and put on something like Sinatra for example. Just a couple of months ago, I felt emotionally numb. I almost couldn't feel anything and then something happened. At first I was completely overwhelmed by feeling something else than self hatred, sadness and anger, but now I embrace everything that is new and positive and know that even though I thought that the music I made and was listening to would help me to cope, it actually didn't.
Hey Finn, I’ve been watching for a while now and I’ve commented on a lot of your stuff from here to Instagram and today I thought about this video and whenever people told me that what I listen to might effect my mood negatively I always thought they were full of shit but I took an honest look and I’ve been ridden with anxiety and have been down for a while and I looked at everything I listen to and every single thing is either angry or sad and now I can see how it’s probably not healthy to listen to that ALL the time and it’s turned into dwelling in it rather than being a release. So your video helped me and I wanted to thank you. Love your channel dude! Keep it coming!
🙏🏼
4:30 Korn' fans" who for 26 years saying "do an album like the first one or you'll always suck!"
Seeing how passionate you are with this topic makes me so happy. I'm glad you chose to make a video on this, for it brings up a very important and exigent topic in the heavy music scene. And it isn't one that is easily tackleable, since there are so many different facets to this whether it be the artists making this music, their emotions and processing, whether it is helping them or furthering their issues, and then the realm of the fans and if the music is helping or hurting them in the sense of how you brought up wallowing or catharism. On top of the entitlement of some fans that think an artist, another human being, is there to serve their pleasure at all costs even if it means continuing the negative and damaging behavior that is so easily associated with musicians in the heavy realm.
Kudos to this video, to Frankie, and to the discourse this sort of topic can spark. I hope you have a follow up video that goes more in depth into this topic, outside of specifically Frankie and more so into what his remarks mean from a holistic point of view.
All love, what a great discourse this video has begun.
I'm having some real introspection about the music I listen to right now.
I've written songs for my band that have lyrics that are mostly around negative subjects and some that aren't. I don't believe there's a one size fits all approach to it because when I play the songs live they're cathartic and help me release, the same goes for the songs I listen to. I don't think only listening to songs that have negative lyrics is outright bad for you and some research says that it's the opposite. It depends where the foundation of his songs come from and how much those topics affect him.
It reminds me of what Dallas Green said “I love all types of music. I just don’t write party songs. Whenever I feel restless, I write about it. It’s easy to dismiss my music as sad, and that’s fine. But it’s because whenever I’m happy or when I’m out at the bar with my friends, I don’t feel like writing a song about that.”
As a long time metal and punk guy I agree that 60 percent of metal is just anger, hate and rebellion but a lot of truth is spoken in the emotions
I really like your content, man. You're a very insightful individual with a lot of interesting thoughts and opinions. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Bring back posicore. Can't we all hold hands, mosh safely and be straight edge for a couple of years before having a beer for the first time?
This is exactly why I got into EDM in 2012, around when dubstep was popping and deathcore was juuuust waning. I was starting college, and a lot of the negative undercurrent of the metal scene didn't resonate with me now that I was starting a new stage of life. It didn't help that a lot of my metalhead friends were exactly like the kind of people described at 1:19, and would call anything that didn't exactly fit their tastes "trash". Meanwhile the EDM community was all about positivity and unity, and dubstep still had that heaviness and aggression that I still crave to this day, and I consider my rave crew tighter and more healthy than a lot of the relationships I had back in the day
Dethkalf I started college in 2010 but this is spot on.
Same . Death metal death core and metal was high school for me. College was edm indie rock some rap
You know what that is? GROWTH.
But seriously good for him! 😊
Always grow and develop.
When I first saw this video, I was a little bit unsure what to make of it and felt disappointed in the fact most of my musical diet does consist of metal and hardcore. After doing some reflecting I came to the hard realisation that the reason I’m listening to this kind of music so much is because of the fact that upbeat music reminds me of how unhappy I am with my life at the moment.
I need to change things, starting with my unrealistic expectations of what I need in order to be happy.
Thanks for existing, Finn. Not only am I getting killer business advice from your videos, but I’m growing as a person too.
I FEELS it man. I had to stop listening to some bands like amity for a while because although at the end of the day they mean to inspire hope, a lot of those lyrics ARE very negative. Exactly like you said, instead of using that opportunity to find ways to improve myself, i let it consume me and allowed myself to wallow in all those negative feelings. Ive ruined friendships and almost certain i destroyed my image for others. I listen to the music now because i understand what it was like to feel those things, but i dont ever want to go back.
You really got to get Frankie on your podcast!
Any recommendations on which album to listen to first with this band? Never heard them before but wanna check them out.
start from the first one - goodbye to the gallows . digest it and move to the next . you're gonna have a fun ride
@@mike_tkgchs Will do, thanks bud
Rusted Over Wet Dreams
Look At Yourself
“Look at yourself” is their best imo followed by “speaker of the dead”
As soon as I read this article my first thought was "Can't wait for PRMBA's video about it"
I love Emmure and their music but I also support his decision
I love emmure. Have been since I was 15 years old. I am 28 now and I still bump them 💯
Frankie reminds me my own Vocalist
I swear he's like his lost brother or something, even looks very similar.
You should start a channel called The Punk Rock Therapist. I really love the way you talk about mental health, and addiction, and being a grown up and learning to be real. You’re a really good role model in a scene that attracts a lot of kids that unfortunately don’t have many of those in the adults in their lives. Keep up the good work.
I used to thing listening to sad music helped get my problems out but since then i realised i need that happy stuff there too. I do gravitate to darker sounds but i don't want to listen to depressing stuff everyday. Need that balance.
Funny enough though The Cure does both
Perfect statement.
Angelmaker is amazing at bringing both together as well. "FOR WHAT IS LIFE WITHOUT BALANCE
AND WHAT IS DARK WITHOUT LIGHT?
THOUGH I MAY LOVE BEING ONE WITH DARKNESS
WE COULD ALL USE A LITTLE LIGHT"...
@@Remmy0930 I'm not to big on Angelmaker myseld. Ii meant as in The Cure hsve these really dark Goth/Alt Rock stuff but then they also have the really happy pop songs.
@@ThatBlindGuy247 Yeah I know what your saying. I'm also saying that Angelmaker is similar in the fact that they have negative lyrics but they also have positive lyrics for self growth and reflection. They don't JUST write negative music, they also make positive music. So in that way they are SIMILAR is what I was saying. I'm not a fan of The Cure either so we're even lol.
@@Remmy0930 ah ok see what you mean now
And this is why we listen to music like this. We hope in ourselves that we can grow, and while listening to these lyrics, we see ourselves where we are now and think about where we want to grow. Frankie has just stated that he has actually grown into that person that he has wished to become, and that's awesome
Just like Chester from Linkin Park.
He had to continue to re-live all of his trauma constantly since he was younger. And the band continued to play off of his pain for decades.
LP then released a positive poppy album and everybody shit on it.
Chester stated he healed during it.
I'm sure staying with all those negative lyrics and then going positive and being shit on killed him.
Gage23 really? Cuz music aside. I thought the lyrics in one more light were rather depressing.
People are assuming that everyone takes notice of the lyrics. I love metal but listen for the musicality. I have listened to Emmure and couldn't really tell you anything about the lyrics. I just like the groove and energy of the songs. We are not all into metal for the positivity or negativity of the lyrics!
You perceive the energy tho
As much shit as Hair Metal caught, it had some of the most fun lyrics in metal.
It was pop metal
Neither of the comments here are remotely related to this video
@@Abasedbymygrief lol
@brandon roberts kpop is like cocaine: it's the product of human sacrifices.
Kpop is literally final fantasy characters come to life
Didn’t know I was coming to church on Monday cause Finn is preaching today! I’m definitely in the cathartic/coping camp. Keep it up 👍
PSA: You can discard parts of yourself that no longer serve you.
SammyBMtG Say it a little louder for the people in the pit.
almost like growing up and maturing isn't a bad thing
Este es mi video favorito de tu cuenta, gracias.
Mucho más allá del contenido *musical* de tus videos, me encanta la parte que incluye cosas personales y consejos de crecimiento.
Saludos desde Colombia
Incredibly well thought out and honest analysis. I have been chewing on this for a long time as I noticed how angry music I loved affected me. This video puts it into words. Thank you!!
To add the the conversation, Dr. Jordan Peterson has pointed out that the pleasure center of the brain is activated when one is angry. He also acknowledges that anger can lead to destruction if not harnessed appropriately. Helpful to know when trying understand our love for heavy music.
Thanks again.
Interesting about the brain!
PunkRockMBA, Your channel and everything you've uploaded recently happens to just fit with where I'm at in the world so much and I'm so grateful for it.
Thank you man, hope you're having a great day cause you made mine a little better c:
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Shows to me have always been a multifaceted event. Part aggression release, part communal experience, part party without booze or dope (now, wasn't always that way as I used to stay loaded and shows were just the party part for years).
Music I listen to usually reflects my mood or whatever I'm dealing with and acts as an outlet. But not to lay down and die or whatever.
I don't know much of anyone that listens to music to wallow in their misery aside from genres and scenes that have commodified misery and use it as a selling point like like 00's Emo, current day xan and lean sad boy rap and shit like that.
I may feel annoyed by a trip to the grocery store and a shitty interaction I had inside and throw on Storm of Sedition or whatever on the way outta there but by the time I get to the house I'm usually not feeling that way cause the music acted as an outlet for the immediate emotional response.
I've never seen music as a way of maintaining poor mental and emotional health. That has actually always been my main objection to scenes and genres that have misery as a selling point. I didn't think it was healthy for teens to listen to so much music about depression and suicide back when Hawthorne Heights style emo was big and as a recovering addict absolutely hate that so much of what's popular today pushes Xanax, Percocets, lean, booze and identifying with crippling depression and anxiety in a way that only leaves one outcome since they never talk about treatment or it getting better, just intoxication and death as relief from the suffering. But it's a feedback loop with no escape. Eventually ya end up in prison, devastatingly harmed by seizures or strokes, dead of an overdose or ya get help and get clean.
Most of the time music for me has been a way of getting past certain things inside myself or having a good time. If it's anything else to you then it's very likely an unhealthy relationship that needs to be reexamined.
I also hate how people are with artists they like. Most of us are guilty of it to some degree. A great example of a dramatic one has to be Pat "The Bunny" Schneeweiss. He was an alcoholic teen with very personal lyrics that were hella relatable to a lotta people but he also had some politically charged lyrics so it appealed to a wider audience when he was in Johnny Hobo and the Freight Trains. Then he killed that project and kicked off Wingnut Dishwashers Union and the lyrics matured some, while still very personal and relatable anarchism played a much more central role than before but he'd also gotten well into an opiate addiction that was tearing him apart. Eventually he hits rehab and gets clean and that's where the trouble starts. We're about the same age and our paths as addicts followed a similar timeline, but he got clean and I was still shooting dope and running my life into the ground as far as I can take it. So when he pops back up clean with Ramshackle Glory I wasn't really trying to hear songs like that. At all. And others I knew were far more irritated with the change. The music in Ramshackle Glory and the solo albums before he retired had anarchism front and center as well as his recovery, how his politics and active use were incompatible, guilt over thinks he'd done, a mix of optimism and realism that was more nuanced than before, just a whole bunch of shit we weren't feeling as junkies. But then I got sober and the album they'd released up to that point (Live the Dream) became one of the most important pieces of music that's ever existed to me exactly because of all the stuff I'd hated about it before and over the years I've talked to mad people who had a similar experience with it. Through relapse and finally finding a sobriety that I have made work for a few years now, that record and the ones they released after, as well as his solo albums, have been easily the most relatable and important music to me with the main differences in our lives being that he started in middle class Vermont and I started in the hoods of NYC.
But a dude who plays music and is expressing how lost, miserable and strung out he is gets clean and starts making music that's in many ways far better, but absolutely no worse than before, and a significant part of his fan base is upset with him for refusing to play anything he wrote as an active user and for making music detailing sobriety and all the shit that comes with it. They'd rather he died than change. That's incredibly sick and not anything to do with some big artist but an under-underground artist. I couldn't believe how people took so poorly to somebody daring to make the only decision available if he wanted to live!
While Madonna and similar artists making strange ass songs and vids that are supposed to be political do often come off as mad disingenuous and corny af, we also see a whole lot of bands/artists take heat for having an opinion or taking a stand on something. I remember after 9/11 when the war drums were being pounded everywhere in mainstream media and politicians, pundits and the like were out doing everything they could to propagandize and misinform the US into war a lotta bands stood up and said "fuck that!" and many took endless heat for it by "bringing politics into their music". If the music is the expression of the artist and the artist has a perspective on something other than what they normally touch on and all of a sudden it's an issue. Bands like Fit For An Autopsy, Thy Art Is Murder and a slew of other bands took shit for some of the things they've released. We've seen it happen over and over again. Yeah, I've had bands that I'd been supportive of come out with some pretty awful rhetoric, ideas, positions, politics, ethical perspectives, etc, but that's them and while I may not like what they have to say I just walk away. I don't beg them to take it back so I can keep listening to their shit like it never happened lol I accept that some are assholes and don't give em my money. But that's not the approach a lotta people take.
So just be careful. These are real people and real people can be awesome or horrible, but they can also change and it's pretty painful to see fans bug out over their favorite artist taking a new direction. I love AFI's first few records but the later stuff ain't for me, but I don't hate em for going in that direction. It's not my art or my self-expression to police. I'm just a consumer of it like everyone else and while I may identify with something that fact doesn't change. So good for him. Anybody who has made anything has things that they no longer feel so good about with the passing years. It's completely healthy and normal. I wrote tons of music back in my teens and early twenties that I wouldn't play today for a number of reasons. I still hold many of those same positions and don't even disagree with the overall point I was making with some of it, just how I made it. I'm no longer in the streets, shooting dope or anything like that so it makes no sense for me to sing the stuff I wrote when I was. But if I had a following instead of it just being a hobby and thing to do with friends at this point (haven't played a show in almost a decade) the pressure to play that stuff would undoubtedly get to me and would be incredibly unhealthy. Hell, just the little following the bands I've been in have had would frequently request we play certain songs of ours so I can only imagine if we were still at it cause some of that shit I absolutely would not play today.
Be safe. Be careful. Be you.
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I'm 40 years old. You and I see eye to eye, sir. Regarding music and aging, you speak exactly what is in my brains. I appreciate you and your work. See you in the pit, muhfuka.
This is one of the reasons I left the metal scene. I still love the music and I take a lot of influence from it but I was tired of dwelling in my depression and being surrounded by negative people full of hate, and sometimes even racism and misogyny, and I had to question why I was even there if I was so miserable and hated it. I wanted to love metal again not continue to hate it.
games guitars and gore the music sure wasn’t helping.
But does it really?
Something I heard in a CES Cru album review is that its "aggressive but not violent". That really struck me and changed my perception of music it made me realize that negativity isn't necessary to create intensity. It also helps me avoid musicians that take themselves too seriously, it's okay to have fun.
"Thoughts become things". I was more into metal in highschool. But at some point, if it wasn't Pantera or Motorhead I just lost interest. I opted for old blues and country. Folks, Hank Williams had some sad songs. In my early 20s I had written quite a few pitiful lyrics. By my mid 30s, divorced and broke, I realized that a lot of my songs had become more true with time. After that, I still love sad songs because it IS cathartic. But I write more from a position of owning the feelings and letting it go rather than feeling doomed. It sounds silly, but life is better now.
Solid video. You hit a lot of really good points with this discussion. Personally had to ask myself a number of years back whether or not the music I listened to daily was affecting me negatively, so I’m honestly glad to hear about others needing to do the same. Keep up the good work. 🤘🏻
i can barely make out the lyrics probably 80% of the time with these bands.
Good for Frankie for having the balls to publicly say these things and be so open about it all. That’s not easy especially when those songs are what got him to where he is at in the first place. We as fans should always remember these artists feel these lyrics way more deeper than any of us ever could.
Thanks Finn for bringing this forward and sharing it with all of us. I hate Twitter lol.
Been playing guitar for 20 years never cared for metal lyrics for this reason I really just pay attention to the guitars and shit lol
Same here pretty much...like Max from Sepultura has some of the most kindergarden lyrics ever, just... beyond as basic and dumb as hell at times,lol, but the old Sep is so sick no one cared.haha
@@KawiMusician I wouldn't know I really don't pay attention to metal lyrics lol it started with Jonathan Davis from Korn cus she was so depressing to listen to I quit caring for lyrics after that..
metal lyrics are cringey but they're also big dumb fun. Think of them as horror B movies.
AND they're actually less negative/depressing than what Finn is talking about in this vid. They're not bleak introspective lyrics that take a toll on your psyche. On the contrary : they're FUN.
That's why I personally like them better then what's featured here in this vid
As a guitarist, I personally listen to heavy music not for the lyrics but for the groove of the guitar/drums. The heaviness just gets me pumped and when I'm struggling to fix something on my car or working out, it pushes me further and helps me to achieve success.
Hmm let’s hear from the several past members of Emmure that have all quit because of Frankie and see how they feel! Emmure is the Frankie Palmerie project...of course he’s going to try to save his washed up image. It’ll work for a bit, I’ll give it an album cycle before he implodes on himself again.
This is an important conversation. Keep it up! Good job on the singers side. Clearing things up and moving on. It’s not good or bad; just growth
Have you ever even blared “Beast” by TAS while lifting? That amount of seething negativity and hatred will get you 10-15 more pounds and at least 10 more reps on your bench press.
Yes. And my gym playlist is chock full of TAS and Expire. But there's a time and place for everything; I can't just hang out at home, winding down, and listen to "The Hills Have Eyes" before I get ready for bed.
G Victor Yes you can, you just won’t. Hand in your man-card plz, you are clearly not Goggins-material.
@@srsucioguapodelsur8845 haha no man, i'm just not 19 anymore, you'll see when you're old like me
G Victor I’m 67 and I still listen to TAS and ollie 12-stairs and beat ur ass
Met DIckey Get in the pit and find out, whippersnapper
Incredibly inspirational and admirable of Frankie to put that out to world, positive growth is cool. Thanks for helping spread this motivational message Finn, I would not have ever seen this if you didn’t make this video. One of my favorite TH-cam channels of all time!
I’ve actually thought a lot about this, both from a fan and musician standpoint. Even just performing certain songs or bands that I very much relate to on a deep personal and emotional level really made me see how I can spiral downward if I stay in that mental abyss.
This became particularly true for me in the wake of Chris Cornell’s death. Here’s a guy who has been sober for years, continues to struggle with massive depression, and yet was still regularly singing and writing nihilistic songs like Pretty Noose, Fell on Black Days, and Blow Up the Outside World. Songs I love that have really helped me.
But singing those songs night after night really sinks into you after awhile. He was the quintessential suffering artist who took his pain and really put into into every note and word of his music. And it literally killed him.
I definitely don’t want to remove the pain and suffering from music and lyrics because that’s where growth and catharsis comes from. But it’s important to be mindful of just how much some music can really beat you down and keep you there if you aren’t getting stronger and overcoming it.
I think a great example of the right way to approach this is what Eddie Vedder said about the song Alive. It was about something very personal and upsetting to him. The chorus was actually intended to be an ironic lament about being alive but fans found such power in that chorus, adopting it as a positive anthem for life, that Eddie eventually admitted that the song had new meaning for him. We should encourage more artists in this way.
I’ve been on an emmure kick lately, this video popped up so I watched it again (I’ve been watching your channel basically since it started 🙏) and it was a good reminder to check myself. Emmure’s music absolutely can affect how I think and treat people, and I need to be so aware of that now that I have a kid. They’re one of my top 5 favorite bands but I need to monitor that negativity I consume very closely. Anyway I love this specific format for what it’s worth.
Music didn’t help me grow but wallow, I listen to heavy music now with a new mindset and a different perspective. It takes personal realization and a positive push in a constructive direction to grow. Good for Frankie!
Just before Emmure was signed, they were on tour with Farewell to Freeway. My band based out of Hattiesburg MS found them on MySpace and saw they had a three day break in between shows in Pensacola and New Orleans. We had a show during those dates and reached out to them and asked if they wanted to jump on the bill. They accepted but Emmure's van broke down in Pensacola. Frankie rode up with Farewell to Freeway to sell merchant at our show. We housed them while they got their van fixed. Frankie did party pretty hard and was a bit of a loose cannon, but he was a genuinely good dude. Glad to see this. Although I was never big on all the angst in his lyrics, I always rooted for him.
I get where you're coming from and it's important to know yourself and your own personal limits, but honestly most of the time heavy, crushing riffs just straight up put a smile on my face.
Just wanna say even when I don’t agree on your music opinions I always appreciate your videos. You always come from an informed and well thought out place, are entertaining and have a positive message that I’m glad people can hear. I relate to a lot of what you say about your past experiences and how you choose to live now and think your approach to sharing that is awesome.
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I can relate to that "rejecting old lyrics" a lot.
I will find songs or poems that I wrote a few years ago, and they are all based on the pain I felt while in an abusive relationship, and I don't like to visit those emotions any more because I have moved on!
I am excited to see Frankie being able to reflect and say "I am moving on" as well.
Gypsy Disco and Pigs Ear prove that their sound will live on and progress. The lyrics of these songs show me he hasn't totally moved on and the songs are truly cathartic for him in some way. He does suggest where he aspires to be, but he still has to battle the demons. After a few shitty shifts at work I love to decompress by jamming out some Emmure. I have the ability to separate real life with entertainment. I can live vicariously for a moment through the band's music despite whether it is perceived as good or bad, peaceful or violent, reverent or blasphemed, etc... We as fans don't need to take it personally; a person will grow or regress despite other's wishes. Stay on board and continue to listen to the new material, which ever way it may go, or jump off and move on to new things.
Look at the lyrics to bastard ritual. I've been bumping it but it's some dark shit.
Not personally an Emmure fan but the topic of the video is important. I’ve pondered on the idea of negative lyrics being detrimental to someone in a negative state countless times. I’ve used them in a cathartic way but also admittedly in a wallowing sense. I can usually see when it’s happening and stop myself (thankfully).
Great video, Finn!