They were doing that in 1981 - I used to stand waiting on Westbourne Park tube station platform in the morning and sometimes once a 125 came past you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Rather like standing near a Volkswagen in fact.
I was always stood next to the engines on Doncaster Station with the massive heat haze and noise in the British summertime, where does the time go 🤣, awesome growing up in the 70s 80s, can't fkn believe I'd ever miss thatchers Britain.
Hellfire!! Went behind 43050 the other day from Notts to St Pancras, love the sound of the VP185, at least it's something what with the Valenta's gone. I always book First Class on EMT HST's too, to be right behind the power car :)
I used to drive the 43's out of Kings X up the ECML... With 4500 hp under the bonnet ( 2250 hp ) one up front and one up the botty there was plenty of power on tap... Pulling out of the station on notch five with the Paxman Valenta turbo's screaming their little heads off and clouds of exhaust smoke ( sorry Greta Thunberg ) was something to behold with more excitement to enjoy... 125 mph here we come although they would top 148 mph... Now there is food for thought but as I did not fancy tea and biscuits with the Boss well need I say more.. 1
Regardless of turning the wiper off, I'm surprised it didn't slow down when the engine was cranking, that must be a huge load on the batteries. All I can figure is that the wiper was powered by something other than the same batteries used to start the engine.
What you say is very interesting. One idea would be to install a Webasto system as used in colder Scandinavian countries to pre-heat vehicles an hour before use. One could fit a heating coil in the fuel tank, or an electrically heated trace line wrapped around the diesel supply pipe between tank and injectors. At sea steam traces from a low pressure boiler is used.
That's interesting. So essentially, there is an electrically powered thermal coat embedded in the lagging for almost the entire diesel supply system that is independant of the engine but makes for an easier and cleaner start... yes? Makes sense to me. Does the system bother to heat the return fuel line as well? Or would the returning diesel just be taken care of by the tank emersion heater? Sorry, I'm a Fitter and Turner on trains in Australia and I find obscure information like this interesting.
Try pre- heating the diesel as on they do on marine engines. Then the sprayed particles can burn properly. "Clag" is A) Inefficient B) Causes cylinder wear. C) Contaminates the lubricating oil.
@@pootispiker2866 Yeah a steam turbine engineer who drove supertankers worldwide for 9 years knows very well what is to be done. Shall I tell you? Nö! way!
@@peterwoods5310 Yeah, i totally believe that ship engines get preheated. On locomotives, that is very much not the case. They have no heating equipment, external or otherwise. If they get too cold (
VP185's are FAR better sounding than MTU's! Now that the Paxman Valenta's have all gone, these are the only HST engines left that sound great. MTU's are boring.
There's nothing wrong with that prime mover. Valentas and VP185s are known for their oil burning and smoke. The smoke is from the fact the engine is cold, residual oil inside the cylinders and how a fuel pump governor works, ie, overfueling at startup. You can clearly see that the smoke dissipating as soon as the fuel pump governor settles and the revs become constant. There's no defective gasket, no water in cylinders, no defective injectors and the engine wasn't 'misfiring' (diesels don't do that anyway), if you know anything about how an engine should sound you can clearly hear that it was running on all 12 pots as soon as the revs build up.
In the stations in the Bristol area, we don't see class 43's start up from cold very often, as they start them up at St. Phillips Marsh depot. They then run them for a bit, before shunting the set into the station. When one is shut down in between services, when they restart, there is a lot less smoke and they fire up quickly.
I disagree that the VP185 is known for oil burning & smoke, the model is far better than Valenta in that regard, especially lubricating oil smoke. Have a look at `XPT at Wauchope' to see what i mean. They are also approx. one Tonne lighter each engine compared to Valenta.
@@derektaylor2941 I would say that the engine is pretty near cold for whatever reason. The video below shows how the VP185 behaves after a short shutdown :- th-cam.com/video/LY8ypfOvLkU/w-d-xo.html
You could always tell when an HST at or through York Station ECML had a 43 power car borrowed from the Midlands. The ECML native units were Brush and loads quieter than the old Valentas.
MTU. MTU is who made the engines, all Brush did was fit them and rewire them. + I think they also did the VP185s, which also had Brush coolers. Pretty sure MTUs either had Brush or Voith coolers, or a mix depending on TOC
@@Danse_Macabre_125 Every day's a schoolday when you run into people who know what they're talking about. In my ignorance I was basing it on the coincident appearance of new Brush plaques on the ECML HST locos that had been updated.
@@warringtonminge4167 It's alright, quite a small mistake + the only reference to MTU were nameplates on FGW's 43020 and the ECML's 43290. I've seen the same BRUSH plate on XC powercars, so can't blame you for being a tad confused
@@etsmp_gh no Valentas in use for many years now (except on preserved prototype). Most now have MTUs with a few Mirrlees. (Those that are left in service!)
No, this is a V12 PAXMAN VP185 Engine a more. The MTU is a V16 MTU R41 Engine much more efficient than that. MTUs are in FGW, East Coast, Cross Country and the NMT HSTs
That's water in one of the cylinders (blown head gasket) It will of cleared about 15 mins later, until next time. If it was an injector it would of been dark smoke, what you see is a mixture of steam and unburn't diesel.
what has the military got to do with this post ?????? we are talking diesel locomotives here doh and in actual fact clag means smoke in railway terms - steam engines (kettles) are good at it to
Not all the time, depends how long they have been shut down,!when they have been on the platform all night and started in the morning yes alittle smokey but you must admit they sound good.
That man in the white who moves away from the smoke cos it might be a bit dangerous even though he has chosen to wear a t-shirt in what appears to be sleet.
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That young lad next to the engine just loving the smell of that clag …..A day he will never forget ( that’s if he is still alive ) 👍🎥🥇💪
It's the way careers start, chatting to those that do the job.
@@flybobbie1449 He's Probably driving them now
@@JacobGrimaR761 they are gone
@@Ruralemmanuel1no they aren’t
I always loved that smell when I was younger. It probably didn't do me much good.
No smoking on the platforms
Eaton9Speed 😂😂😂😂😂
Eaton9Speed this includes e cigarette
Blorox Cleach don't u get it the Train is smoking diesel exhaustion at the platform
Bradley Caslin I know
HST Thug Life
They were doing that in 1981 - I used to stand waiting on Westbourne Park tube station platform in the morning and sometimes once a 125 came past you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Rather like standing near a Volkswagen in fact.
Gotta laugh at that dude sat down he weren't hanging around when then started up haha
Good to see the fastest diesel can still produce a fair amount of clag
We get it, you vape 💨.
*Engineering - if anything deserves a 👍 this does!*
As a life long heavy smoker that video makes my lungs feel fresh again.The turbo spool up on the Valentas was almost devilish.Great stuff.
I was always stood next to the engines on Doncaster Station with the massive heat haze and noise in the British summertime, where does the time go 🤣, awesome growing up in the 70s 80s, can't fkn believe I'd ever miss thatchers Britain.
I didn't know that Volkswagen made locos
Mark Doyle The new Volksagen be like this xD... But the old?
😂😂😂😂😂
Hellfire!!
Went behind 43050 the other day from Notts to St Pancras, love the sound of the VP185, at least it's something what with the Valenta's gone.
I always book First Class on EMT HST's too, to be right behind the power car :)
Checkout `XPT at Wauchope' here on YT for better VP185 sound imo
Like how that passenger got up and walked away from the clag. Wimp!!! Lol
Love the smell of Valletta Salad day's... needed that to Class the HSTs in the day,Platform 5.43185,always deluded me.
The VP185 is basically the son of the valenta he may not scream but he clags just like his father...
Oh they scream when the drivers give it to them alright, I’ve seen videos
Amazing start up
I used to drive the 43's out of Kings X up the ECML... With 4500 hp under the bonnet ( 2250 hp ) one up front and one up the botty there was plenty of power on tap... Pulling out of the station on notch five with the Paxman Valenta turbo's screaming their little heads off and clouds of exhaust smoke ( sorry Greta Thunberg ) was something to behold with more excitement to enjoy... 125 mph here we come although they would top 148 mph... Now there is food for thought but as I did not fancy tea and biscuits with the Boss well need I say more..
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@@derektaylor2941 I am now 72 my friend but memories of those bygone days will stay with me forever... Thank you for your comment...
very nice video mate , really well filmed looked my old jaguar lol....liked and subscribed . keep up the great work . keep safe .
Thanks for the sub!
Just awesome
I always turn my wipers off before trying to start my car..
I think the wipers were on so the smoke would not fog up the windshield.
Yes, on alot of cars the wipers are interlocked to stop when the starter motor is engaged.
Regardless of turning the wiper off, I'm surprised it didn't slow down when the engine was cranking, that must be a huge load on the batteries. All I can figure is that the wiper was powered by something other than the same batteries used to start the engine.
Air powered wiper, I'd say
Yea, more battery power that way
What you say is very interesting. One idea would be to install a Webasto system as used in colder Scandinavian countries to pre-heat vehicles an hour before use. One could fit a heating coil in the fuel tank, or an electrically heated trace line wrapped around the diesel supply pipe between tank and injectors. At sea steam traces from a low pressure boiler is used.
That's interesting. So essentially, there is an electrically powered thermal coat embedded in the lagging for almost the entire diesel supply system that is independant of the engine but makes for an easier and cleaner start... yes? Makes sense to me. Does the system bother to heat the return fuel line as well? Or would the returning diesel just be taken care of by the tank emersion heater? Sorry, I'm a Fitter and Turner on trains in Australia and I find obscure information like this interesting.
There is no trace on the return line to the diesel tank.
because the engine was cold
Caused by use of wet coal ;)
clag...I'd have just said shite! For example, "Look at all that shite that fucking train is spewing out"
Very nice !
Used to love watching the midland mainlines starting up like that in Sheffield
It's going to be a steam loco when it grows up 😀
Going to miss these:(
Thanks mate :D
Great video
WOW! Pretty smoky!
We used to delude ourselves this was an environmentally friendly way to travel. Between this and the stinky brakes, it never was.
Still, its massive capacity means it has less emissions per passenger (or kilograms for freight trains). Later on, most trains are electric.
Its amazing
Try pre- heating the diesel as on they do on marine engines. Then the sprayed particles can burn properly. "Clag" is A) Inefficient B) Causes cylinder wear. C) Contaminates the lubricating oil.
But looks great
Preheating? You're absolutely clueless lmao. Where you gonna get the heat from? Little bitty glowplugs??
@@pootispiker2866 Yeah a steam turbine engineer who drove supertankers worldwide for 9 years knows very well what is to be done. Shall I tell you? Nö! way!
@@peterwoods5310 Yeah, i totally believe that ship engines get preheated. On locomotives, that is very much not the case. They have no heating equipment, external or otherwise. If they get too cold (
awesome capture friend..great stuff...super vdo..greetings from India!!!
So good
VP185's are FAR better sounding than MTU's!
Now that the Paxman Valenta's have all gone, these are the only HST engines left that sound great.
MTU's are boring.
VP185's sound better in the XPT imo. Checkout `XPT at Wauchope' (the longer of the 2 videos with that title although i like both) here on TH-cam.
CLAGTASTIC wish i was there next to it
Nice video friend ,great work!💖💖💖💖
Thank you! Cheers!
love the clagg
Rammer Gramps who doesn't
a right kind of clag
I love this please tell me how you get so many cab rides
All sing along, smoke gets in your eyes.
POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
Euro 6 diesel compliant Mr London Mayor?
Yes.
@@billythomas1135 No it's not..
iAspex. I’m only joking. It obviously isn’t. Still. Amazing engines.
Nothing that makes 2700hp will ever be Euro6 lol
Anglo Fire Yep, lol
Quality British engineering
LOL ye :D
Thanks
No smoke, no poke
There's nothing wrong with that prime mover. Valentas and VP185s are known for their oil burning and smoke.
The smoke is from the fact the engine is cold, residual oil inside the cylinders and how a fuel pump governor works, ie, overfueling at startup.
You can clearly see that the smoke dissipating as soon as the fuel pump governor settles and the revs become constant.
There's no defective gasket, no water in cylinders, no defective injectors and the engine wasn't 'misfiring' (diesels don't do that anyway), if you know anything about how an engine should sound you can clearly hear that it was running on all 12 pots as soon as the revs build up.
In the stations in the Bristol area, we don't see class 43's start up from cold very often, as they start them up at St. Phillips Marsh depot. They then run them for a bit, before shunting the set into the station. When one is shut down in between services, when they restart, there is a lot less smoke and they fire up quickly.
This is normal for most big diesel power plants. Clag.
I disagree that the VP185 is known for oil burning & smoke, the model is far better than Valenta in that regard, especially lubricating oil smoke.
Have a look at `XPT at Wauchope' to see what i mean. They are also approx. one Tonne lighter each engine compared to Valenta.
@@derektaylor2941 I would say that the engine is pretty near cold for whatever reason.
The video below shows how the VP185 behaves after a short shutdown :-
th-cam.com/video/LY8ypfOvLkU/w-d-xo.html
if it was flying scots man it wouldn't have started at all haha :)
You could always tell when an HST at or through York Station ECML had a 43 power car borrowed from the Midlands.
The ECML native units were Brush and loads quieter than the old Valentas.
MTU.
MTU is who made the engines, all Brush did was fit them and rewire them. + I think they also did the VP185s, which also had Brush coolers.
Pretty sure MTUs either had Brush or Voith coolers, or a mix depending on TOC
@@Danse_Macabre_125 Every day's a schoolday when you run into people who know what they're talking about. In my ignorance I was basing it on the coincident appearance of new Brush plaques on the ECML HST locos that had been updated.
@@warringtonminge4167 It's alright, quite a small mistake + the only reference to MTU were nameplates on FGW's 43020 and the ECML's 43290. I've seen the same BRUSH plate on XC powercars, so can't blame you for being a tad confused
Sounds exactly like a Valenta on start up.
It is
@levi Renwick that's the noise yow ass make when your boy pull out yea
@@bonkeydollocks1879 these horrid engines I can't go to sleep when they go full power...😠😡😡
@@etsmp_gh 99% don't have the valentas in now, mirlees usually, very quiet reliable unit
@@etsmp_gh no Valentas in use for many years now (except on preserved prototype). Most now have MTUs with a few Mirrlees. (Those that are left in service!)
My dad, was a steam train.
The engine stops hunting and the exhaust appears to be clearing @1.14 1:10
MEGA CLAG FTW
Quick! We need a smoke screen across the platform! 😂
No, this is a V12 PAXMAN VP185 Engine a more. The MTU is a V16 MTU R41 Engine much more efficient than that. MTUs are in FGW, East Coast, Cross Country and the NMT HSTs
That poor boy will be on the ventolin within the year!
@ACTractionLTD they ran it on back powercar from neville hill to leeds
They could have waited until it was out of the station !
My asthma could never ☠
Fell sorry for the guy with the newspaper
Lucky guy there inhaling smokes
That's water in one of the cylinders (blown head gasket) It will of cleared about 15 mins later, until next time. If it was an injector it would of been dark smoke, what you see is a mixture of steam and unburn't diesel.
Smokin'.
Breath that in lad. Like 10,000 Woodbine cigarettes in one
MEGA MEGA CLAG
Is there a steam train coming? No just a Intercity 125! haha!
My dream job!
My dream job would be designing trains, building them or driving them. 😊
They never saw it leave!
Lol choking the man in white
That thing is a flag MONSTER .-.
Hubba Hubba ... All that pollution is really good for everyone, just love it
That's a lot of clag
Sounds like my uncle when wants to use my toilet 🤣
Sounds like a GE almost!
I'll be taking the train to Leeds tomorrow. Will let you know if the smoke has cleared.
I wonder what the clag was when they were new
Sure its not running on steam like old times!!
Yeah, it's a problem with using wet coal.
Hehehe...the poor guy on the seat gets smoked out and leaves... he should have breathed the smoke in while he had the chance!
The GCR HST sound..
Wonder what the people on the platform thought
All that smoke to power a window wiper
Clag is a military term for fog.
what has the military got to do with this post ?????? we are talking diesel locomotives here doh and in actual fact clag means smoke in railway terms - steam engines (kettles) are good at it to
burghilll1979 You clearly aren't very intelligent are you?
+Alex Kirkland nor are you by the looks of things
Sounds like a cold start of a Class 37...lol :-)
Nope
Never ever seen that before
Didn't steam end in Aug 1968.?????
OI DRIVER .......STOP VAPING! 😂😂😂😂
Lol.. I've seen builders vans at traffic lights like that when there's two or three of them sat there all vaping!! 👍👍👍👍
Where this place?!
When this video was taken?!?!?!
Like a alsthom cat engine
That is why they replaced them with MTUs lol but why is it taking so long to fire?
this thing looks like a gas station energy drink can
That’s a few Normals poisoned 😆
Is this like when the train terminates in a station and then they turn it around and it goes back the way it came?
Not all the time, depends how long they have been shut down,!when they have been on the platform all night and started in the morning yes alittle smokey but you must admit they sound good.
👍🏼
Best to leave the engine running I think, however long at Leeds this train would normally have.
that kid would be me
That man in the white who moves away from the smoke cos it might be a bit dangerous even though he has chosen to wear a t-shirt in what appears to be sleet.
Obviously a Geordie. They have a different definition of cold.
Do the paxman engines have glow plugs? And are they direct injected?
I don't think they do have glow plugs. They are direct injection.
Thought these would be left running
Sounds like the inter city 125 from gcr roblox
don't know, think i will send them a copy lol
43?????? Clag Makes More Like An A4! Nice Footage!