Can a RECURVE Bow beat a COMPOUND Bow?
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- Can a recurve bow beat a compund bow in a shooting contest? Well, that depends! There's no disputing the precision of a well tuned compound bow in the hands of a skilled shooter. But there are certain situations where a recurve bow or longbow can make a shot that compounds just aren't capable of. In this video, Clay Hayes show how to use the versatility of a traditional bow and a few trick shots to beat a compound bow with a recurve in a shooting contest. But first, you've got to play a little trick on your compound shooting friend!
Compounds tend to shoot very fast and have flatter trajectories. Recurves and longbows tend to shoot much slower and the arc of the arrows are much more pronounced. We can use that trajectory to shoot over an object standing between us and our target. In this situation, the faster shooting compound wouldn't be able to clear over the obstruction.
The next shot requires us to shoot with our bow horizontal to the ground. With most compound bows this would be a difficult shot simply due to the arrow falling from the rest when the bow is tilted too much.
Of course this is all for fun and not truly a fair contest. But it's still fun to gouge your compound shooting biddies into a contest like this and watch them squirm when they realize they just can't make the shots!
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Years ago,i got a C Bow user all riled up,when i told him my longbow was faster than his tricked out Mathews..At first he laughed but when i persisted,he said,lets run em across a chrono..I said,we dont need no stinking Chrono..Lets shoot at the target and see who's arrow hits first..I had two in the target and was releasing the third,by the time he had an arrow on the string and was drawing....
Love it!
I did that once with a young man shooting compound. "First one to hit the knock a block"
Got 4 arrows off to his one and hit it. The kid was crying, "That's not fair"
I will say this. I shoot compounds, stick bows and crossbows and when I want to just relax or introduce someone new to archery a plain old stick bow still gets the nod. There is something hard wired in us that attracts everyone to a stick and string. It’s almost instinct.
Agreed!
thats a good one :-D
@@FrankPace54 it is not fair, the stick is the older and wiser one :-) and i like that way
🤣😂😁 we had some friends come down from New York City, and we met them and went out to dinner when we went back to my house and pulled into the yard.... They were like OMG look at all the animals in your yard that is so awesome, until I told them they were all archery targets then they weren't so awesome😂😁
I used to shoot a lot of field matches in SoCal with my 55lb longbow and would usually outshoot any compound shooter that was in the same group, all shooting a stick bow instinctive
I made a shot like the second under the bale shot on a moose once. I had to shoot under some brush. The small bull was at 15 yards and wasn’t gonna stay there much longer. My compound shooting friend was there with me and still talks about that shot and that was 15 years ago. Still my proudest shot.
Compound guys that shoot super heavy arrows can shoot the arc needed. I did this, this year. Shot a doe that was behind a wire fence. Arrow dropped right in and through her heart. Love the video!
Love this. Both the technical and the playful side of it. Also just the aspect of making you think differently about trajectory and situational shots
Thanks Blake
I’m always surprised more compound shooters don’t also shoot trad bows, even if you don’t hunt with one they’re really really fun
I shoot all types of archery. I hunt compound. But I love it all. My favorite is thumb draw so I shoot my horse bows a lot.
@@pfalky2k I started doing traditiona; bow a year ago ater doing compound for ten years. for me it has been a weird transition because I will hunt with my compound bow and do 3d archery shoots with it, but when I bounce back to my recurve I have to reset myself for that style of shooting because I do shoot with my fingers off the shelf so I have to remember that everything is going to "feel" different.
vaporTrail thumbdraw is awesome too,
I just stated doing just that. Got a homemade recurve and a Hoyt takedown it is great fun but I think I am loving recurve more atm
Because lots of guys get compounds (not all of course) because they get into hunting to "prove themselves" instead of just hunting. They want something they can draw back themselves without actually going through the difficulties of a bare-bow recurve. Then when they eat deer tag soup every year they blame the tool instead of their lack of ability as a hunter, they then lash out at anyone using a better tool.
Thank you for the videos!
Crazy good shooting, just learned something new. Thanks
Pros of a compound: Speed. Accuracy. Energy.
Pros of a trad bow: Noise. Faster follow up shots. Much nicer to carry around. Also way cooler.
well you can shoot the compound as recurve , drop the sight , train much
Probably a mockingbird trying to decide what ringtone to use for its notification of a new Clay Hays video.
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@clay hayes ,love your videos thank you for these,the bird by the way is the whippoorwill.
On the other hand, maybe the compound archer can shoot through the hay bale to hit the target. I've seen enough of those arrows fly straight through hay bales and still travel a good distance.
I still like my modern longbow though. I've tried compound, and it's just not the same satisfying smooth draw feeling. A compound bow feels so much more like a gun after a while. And while I am also a bit of a gun nut, when I'm doing archery, I want it to feel like archery. I don't want my archery to feel like a gun. It's also why I probably won't get into crossbows much. They're definitely cool, but way down on my list.
That being said, I'm not sure I'd mind too much if my gun felt more like archery. Not sure why. Also, not sure how that would work AT ALL. Just a funny thought.
The bird is a species of whipperwill or nighthawk. You should see them flying over your fields in the evening like small thin falcons. The woodpecker guesses aren't bad, but that ghostly sound is definitely a something in the nighthawl/nightjar family. Very peculiar birds, worth looking up.
I’ll look it up, thanks!
I shoot Compound without Release and any Sight. If you shoot it in a Traditionell Way you can also do all the same Shots like any Tradionell Archer.
Thats what I love about Archery. There are so many Ways to get that Arrow right into your Spot.
In Germany we say. Wer trifft hat Recht.
If you hit it, your right.
on our small 3d circuit here in BC I'm always surprised by what makes compounders mad in a shot. Usually it's that little branch or leaf that blocks the perfect view of the shot. And yes there will always be someone to be offended by something we do. Whether it's shooting plastic targets, or pieces breaking off a target and not being cleaned up, cutting a tree to make a bow or an arrow, what our non wood arrows are made of, using feathers from birds, using polycarbonic based vanes when we could use feathers, the list could go on, and on. Just wish the people that read the complaints had the wisdom to be able to say , nope sorry you are just to sensitive .
Great video Clay, the bird sounds like the (pilaeted woodpecker). They have a great sound.We have quite a few in MI. Thanks for the deminstration.
Thanks, that’s the consensus!
@@clayhayeshunter also known as an indian pullet in these parts
Great video Clay. Love your videos. I'm pretty sure the sound you heard on that bird was a Philadelphia pigeon. Most likely migrated😂👊🏻
I remember reading a book by Fred Bear, and a story in which he did that, shooting up over a rocky ridge, and using the trajectory to hit a mountain sheep. He could see the head and the back line, knew he could hit where he wanted just as you did. He "looped it" in there. Pretty good story!!
I recall that as well.
Clay...I just passed your name and channel on to a friend of mine who wants to delve into the traditional archery challenge. I got my first re curve bow when I was 8 years old..and was introduced to archery deer hunting at age 13. At age 17, I killed a buck on October 18, 1984 with a wooden compound bow made by Mike Fedorah...I was the first in my family to enjoy the sport of archery and archery hunting...since that time...my brother, his son, my son, 2 cousins, and their sons, and many friends have started archery hunting because I introduced them to the sport. I took on the challenge of traditional archery the year my son turned 12... that was14 seasons ago and never looked back. I absolutely love the simplistic challenge. I will continue to hunt with my 65# Martin re curve as long as my body will endure the chore of drawing my bow on cold November mornings...feet and hands freezing on an aluminum platform 18' above Mother Earths surface.
Hunt on my friend you are tops in my book!!!
Thanks Matt, and good luck!
I saw the Instagram deal when it happened and wondered if it was an attempt at humor. It's sad that it wasn't.
Neat. Our compound shooters and traditional guys used to go back and forth all the time in the club I used to be in. But sadly only a few trad guys shot all the time and were good. Most of the compound guys shot several times a week at the range. I know because I was one of the recurve shooters that was there on the regular. It was fun though.
Good stuff
Clay, you're bow is absolutely stunning
Thank you
When I watch European archery channels it's all about historical accuracy and enjoying a hobby. Meanwhile US archery channels are about shooting things that breathe.
Haha, just found this. Love it. Poolhall Junkies of archery!
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clay its a red cheeked pheasant (the bird in the background)
Now i can rewind this in peace
You are RIGHT..If your Not using a Recurve Bow Your not Doing Archery..I have 3 Recurve Bows...The Best...
We live in a day where more people are offended then ever before. I believe parents these days I raising a bunch of crybabies. What I am sick of is the constant attack on Hunter's when we are the best conservationist on the planet. I enjoy your videos, Every one of them Clay and I do learn a lot from them so I appreciate all of your efforts and it keeps me striving to be a better Archer.
I have been shooting traditional for about five years now and I love it and I don't plan on going back to all of the bells and whistles on a compound.
Have a great day and God bless.
Thanks Bob
@@clayhayeshunter 👍👍👍
Sounds like a woodpecker
I like shooting all bows, even cross bows and compounds when I have the chance, and I enjoy watching a skilled compound shooter dial in their gear since those arrows just fly so hard! But I wouldn’t wanna own one since I’d never use it. Longbow is my love, but I really enjoy recurves for their speed and beauty. What always gets me is when I see a couple guys w a tool belt and a big ol stabilized compound bow complaining about a 5” group at 50 yards… spending more time fiddling w sights and what not instead of just adjusting and paying attention to their bodies and breathing. Focusing on the result and not the process will usually give you a bad result. That’s why I love to sink one into a piece of foam at 60yd w a recurve in front of those types of archers, not to brag, but just to show it is indeed possible if you are aware of yourself and your bow and your arrow. To me, a near miss is as exciting as the hit, and gives the opportunity to learn from each shot. It is satisfying to shoot center shots all day, but it’s also maybe more fun to overcome a shot problem by re setting the body to perform it properly. Bottom line for me is: archery and hunting is a hobby, meditation, and pursuit of self. That animal is a representation of the self, and to attain it I must become aware and focused on everything in the moment at once. The whole year of work and practice and tuning and learning comes down to a moment.. so for me trad bow is something that serves an end in many ways and will always present an opportunity to learn instead of show up to the range, shoot a few dozen arrows and fiddle my sight or whatever and then call it good til deer season starts. I need something to do, and like anything else, if you do it enough then it you become very good at it
That is absolutely pitiful that someone would flag a 3d target video ,
nice your video brother👏👏👏👏👍👍😁😁
A compound bow is basically a 30 yard rifle. After I was spiltting arrows at 30 yards, I knew recurve or longbows were for me.
Ok so now there is instinctive shooting, aiming,and now circumference shooting lol and no idea on the bird!! I dont have insta so im clear there lol
Likely a Northern Hawk Owl. The cadence and tone sound similar to a flicker or a pileated woodpecker... but that final hoot seems to give it away as an owl in the Strigidae family. It would be at or near its typical winter range, which might be why it is unfamiliar sounding. Maybe a Canadian who hears them more often might chime in.
m.th-cam.com/video/83wW4gay6aI/w-d-xo.html
It does sound like a Northern Hawk Owl. Man, I almost thought it was a flicker myself! Neat sighting, Clay!
Lars Andersen is the only reason I need.
Edit: just subscribed to your channel, great content my friend, keep it up!
Awesome, thank you!
Wow! people are so sensitive, a 3D target!
That’s a snowflake for ya
Good stuff Clay👍
Hey the bird sounds like a whip-poor-will
Yeah, just for fun...! 🏹✔
I do shots like that when I can at the archery club I shoot at here in Australia, all for the fun of it. Own a few beers from it too,and lost some.
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Northern Flicker or a Pileated woodpecker. Just by sound I’d lean toward Pileated. We have pileated here but based on location flicker is much more common.
Thanks, I’ll check into that!
Having shot both recurve and compound bows, I would say the other shot that is not readily made with a compound is a quick shot that requires a draw and release in a single movement. I haven't shot any new (last 20 years) compound design either but, I was never able to draw and shoot without pausing to let everything stabilize after the break over.
That's how I got my first deer with a bow. Spooked a doe off her bed five yards in front of me and she had an arrow in her before I could remember pulling back my bow, which was steeply canted. Impossible with a compound.
I agree that a traditional or recurve is a lot quicker to aim because it's instinctive, but if you have your arrow nocked and your release attached, you can be lined up and fire very quickly. I noticed this after I installed a kisser button on my compound bow. I just pop up aligned pretty much instantly.
@@triela420 I shot my compounds instinctive (mostly, I have shot sights). But I always had to settle the bow after the break where a recurve is just once smooth movement. Cam bows were worse than round wheel. I have never shot a single cam or any newer compound so that may have changed. And I have seen people that could bird hunt with a compound so, maybe it's just me.
that bird sounds like a flicker.
Another good vid clay. Second shot i have done a few times before with our 3d shoots. First one is plausable but not at the same distance your at, would take a good bit of recalculating but i think its doeable. As for the twat that flagged your vid, the biggest prob with any reporting is that its anonymous, which takes any reprecussions from the reporter, which in turn leaves any vid or post open to false reporting by rival people or companies. Which there are out there that hire people to disslike and report vids and other social media content. At the moment there is no protection for us out there from that. Its a major clusterfuck!!!
I never thought of it that way! I just thought it was odd. I’ve had lots of pictures of dead animals and nothing ever for flagged. But then shooting a target? 🤷♂️
was that a pileated woodpecker?
Recurve is different fun. I have a forgotten PSE Deer Hunter 2005 almost vintage bow. I am in love with that thing I wouldn't go for anything else for hunting big game. But the true fun is our Hungarian war bow. We shoot man-size and shape targets out to 200+yards with 50# on 28 draw length light bows (limited category) and near twice the distance in unlimited draw weight cathegory. (side note you never need a heavier bow than 70-90# draw weight to hit a man's chest size target on 300 yards).
Nice!
Oh this is fascinating! Think the bird is a woodpecker.
It’s a northern Pygmy owl!
Ah. Thank you
1. Recurve can reload much faster than a compound.
2. Recurve is much easier to maintain.
3. Recurve is way cheaper compare to compound.
4. You don't need all those dangling equipment in recurve.
5. Recurve were meant for mounted archery, try that with a compound.'
The only thing compound is better at recurve is the precision over "long" distance, within 20 yards recurve can just be as accurate.
How about shooting with hands reversed/offhanded?
That birds sound reminds me of "Kuovi" or "Taivaanvuohi" birds here in finland
Yo what how is that it’s sick
Compound is definitely more accurate and most people shoot longer distances and they are more compact but trad bows are easy to draw fast in dire situations
The people/person that complained about the targets should put forth a compelling, logical explanation as to why it’s offensive; otherwise, their opinion is arbitrarily based on feelings and should not be considered in the matter.
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I wonder Clay about how much you can control osage wood putting it to the extreme bending doing recurve just to have maximum performance in reflex deflex trying to gain speed and torque.
any answer to that you think
It’s a little unclear what you’re asking but I’ll try to answer best I can. Osage responds very well to heat and you can put pretty severe recurves in the bows.
@@clayhayeshunter
Thanks for the answer Clay
I was thinking of the Mongolian horse bow
treating Osage the same manner.
I think it's worth trying maybe steaming and molding method rather than applying dry heat.
...it's the "leave a comment" bird!
well i did because i liked your video! ..... as a vegetarian! :-)
Shooting a bow does not always mean eating meat. Thank God!
like your name!
As a compound shooter, Trad shooters are bad ass.
Great vid :-) ... They don't like a 5 yard shot either, or a shot they have to take in 3 seconds :-)
Rubber critters have feelings too LOL .... sheesh!
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Third thing that compound shooters can't do is speed nocking/shooting. You did not mention that one 😎
I shot tournaments for years with a compound. My class was limited to using fingers ,no release allowed. I shot a low powered ,40lb bow with only 30 percent let off to get a clean release I don't know why I couldn't get just as many shots as a stick bow with my set up. Your right thou todays compounds are almost impossible to shoot without a release, The shortness pinches the fingers so much it's almost impossible. There is No way using a release is going to be as fast as using fingers.
compounds are great until something happens with all those moving parts. Out on the field your day is done with a compound.
Bird sounded like a screech owl. If it calls in the daylight it's a harbinger of death, or at least that's what I was told as a kid. If another one answers it, you're in trouble. I told you not to shoot at those bears if they were uphill from you.😏
Thanks Larry! It’s mainly early morning when I hear it.
Thats good shooting..
About the instagram thing.. people are ridiculous.. keep doing what you are doing.
I plan on it! I thought it was quite funny.
That would suck if it was a low poundage and a raised rest
I'm not against compounds just like I'm not against rifle scopes. I do however believe you're robbing yourself if you learn to shoot with all the fancy equipment instead of basics. To me the more gadgets is more things that go wrong.
This is one of the reasons i'm considering scraping together the money to get a recurve. Hate having to go to a bow shop to have my bow serviced.
Do you know where a trad bow usually beats a compound? The last 10 minutes of legal shooting light. You know, when you usually see the most deer :-)
Steveyd...IDK bout that, Ive been bow hunting for 39 years, and the last 14 with traditional and all instinctive. My 52 year old eyes have trouble at low light...I'm not 22, 32 or 42 trust me... a lighted glow pin to bury on a target is an advantage no doubt...
Yeah a crossbow scope does even better.
@@Bowfella As Josey Wales would say " I reckon so"
I'll just unscrew the limb bolts on my PSE and get heavy arrows and it'll lob them over like any weak recurve would. Dropping down to 45 pounds and half draw and use something like 500gr on tip 😂 Yes, it's not very practical, but can be done. No reason not to use the tools features for playful contests.
Would be more efficient just to throw that arrow though 😅
it's not impossible for a longbow traditional shooter to be a compound bow with accuracy
PYTHON 7403 Could be correct at it being a flicker, there close to that sound too.
a northern flicker to be exact.thanks brent
If you listen real close there is a bird making another sound at about 2:36 that does sound like the" Northern Flicker" So with both its a good guess.😊
A winnowing Wilsons snipe.?
A highlight of why using any certain equipment (that's legal of course) isn't cheating or "not real hunting". People these days seem to want you to run down a deer and bare knuckle box it. It doesn't matter how good you are with any equipment, if you don't know how to actually *hunt* then you wont see a damn thing. You have no idea how many compound guys shit their pants when I greeted them from a treestand, they expect to "sneak up" on a deer but they can't even notice let alone sneak up on me.
Cool vid Clay, can you do a rabbit hunt and cook vid with that sweet looking osage recurve?
A recurve, or ANY trad bow, beats compounds - in rate of fire. You can load and fire trad bows multiple times for every shot of a compound.
I'm not sure this is true. It's basically the same thing, right? Nock an arrow, draw, release. Maybe I'm missing something
@@vaportrail226 Compounds have fairly complex arrow rests but the the real kicker is the annoying release. Most have d-loops but even those without d-loops are the same: hooking a release device to the string, drawing back and having to pause to get the sight picture all lined up, then release. On a traditional bow you quickly set your arrow, draw with fingers and just release. It's a much faster process. I'd bet even a moderately skilled trad bow shooter can load and fire 3 to 4 arrows with good accuracy in the amount of time a compound shooter can fire 1. I have a compound and bare bow traditional shooting off the shelf and I prefer my recurve to my compound, even though the compound is more powerful and capable of higher accuracy. On my compound I have to thread the arrow on carefully vs my bare bow, hook a release device to the string, draw, pause and line up my shot, etc. My trad bow is much faster. String an arrow, finger draw, fast sight picture and fire. Easy peasy.
@@BooDamnHoo Those are good points. At my archery club we have races where we shoot balloons and the fastest time wins. Generally comes down to skill. I use a WB on most of my compounds which isn't too complex. Several of our compound shooters shoot instinctive and draw three fingers. Personally I'm faster with my horse bow using thumb draw but I still lose to compound sometimes. And I have beat barebow recurve shooters using a trigger release with my hunting rig, usually when they miss a lot. I'd say a highly skilled trad shooter will have the most effective rate of fire. If that makes any sense? Just my experience.
@@vaportrail226 Seriously interested, what modern compounds are able to be shot by finger draw? I have an old one that doesn't have super shallow cams so it's unlikely I will derail it AND it has a 40 inch span so the angle on the drawn string isn't too much to allow 3 finger but from what I've seen or read, virtually all modern compounds have one, or both, problems (shallow cams, short/compact span)
@@BooDamnHoo Honestly, any of them. My hunting bow is an Obsession Evolution. It has a 32" axle to axle and I draw 30". It's not pinchy at all with finger draw. My buddy shoots a Mathews Triax and he never uses a release aid. Maybe some of the shorter bows pinch, say 28", depending on draw length. Derailment is a technique problem. If you don't torque the bow you'll be ok. I've heard the same things and believed it. Not sure why that misinformation is out there. If you get bored check out Guy Fitzgerald here on the youtubes. They're the kings of instinctive compound shooting.
More than likely it is a Nighthawk / Common Poorwill alarm call. www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Common_Poorwill/sounds The pitch and frequency may be a tad off, but that's based on a east coast Poorwill call. Local populations will likely be different and based on the time of year of this post I would place a decent bet that the call was made by a Poorwill/Nighthawk (same thing..)
Also nice job staying focused lol. I would've definitely messed up and had to re-do the shot.
First view, first to comment, first time in my life I am complete.
Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾!
Yeah but u didn't give the first thumbs up!
Oooooo!
Arrow speed is the only thing separating the two, in this competition. A slow compound bow would do the same thing.
Slow compound! Blasphemy!
@@clayhayeshunter 40 lb compound with heavy arrows may only get 200 fps
Don't let them get to ya... There are a-hols everywhere ...
Compound guys: "Drop your crossbow and get a real bow amateur!"
Also Compound guys: **Plunger, bow cut past center, whisker biscuit, sight pins, peep sight, release aid, and 10% of weight at full draw**
Is the bird a quail?
Protect nothing but your family and self lol 😊
Sounds like a Wilson's Snipe in flight . . . not a woodcock, pileated woodpecker or whippoorwill
I believe it's a woodpecker.
I dont wanna hear it if you’re not shooting a bob lee
I think that's an owl that you hear.
It’s a Northern Pygmy owl
I`d guess that bird was a Woodcock.
Well to me a compound does not even feel like a bow, rather a christmas tree of aiming and balancing attachments. Might as well shoot a rifle then.
I'd put money on a Wilson's Snipe....that is the winnowing sound they make as air flows over their outer rectrices in a dive or just as they level off. This time of year, it's likely a male just defending his territory.
Most compound shooters are using drop away rests so yes if they tilt it enough it will fall off
I’m gonna show you a cool shot......Squirrel !!!! Anyway
Can't use a tongah, with a compound either.
I was going to say whippoorwill
It turned out to be a northern pygmy owl.
The bird is a screech owl
Northern Pygmy owl actually!
I'm flagging this video - that hay-bale reminded me of a dog I once had; this is highly offensive and insensitive.
Quick, I need my safe space NOW!
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Haha
Woodpecker
NO..
Pileated woodpecker
Sensitive content?! Ha, my ass.
I want to learn bow hunting. Thats why I'm here.
Venison is good to eat, vegans. Its all natural.
I do firearms up in MN, but want more time out in the woods. Bow hunting is perfect for that.
Why don’t you learn then?? It’s addicting. Just don’t get caught up in the “oh my bow is $1000 so I’m better than you” stuff. It’s a shame that hunting is so commercialized. That’s just my two cents though.
I won't touch compound. It's not self reliant. I want Trad because Trad lasts forever.
red belly woodpecker
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.