Homelite Generator Not Running Well - Hunting / Surging
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Got a good deal on a running generator, but the engine speed is not steady. It is hunting and surging at no load. Will clean the carburetor and fix this machine up.
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Great job. I like your methodical way of diagnosing and handing the equipment. 👍👍. Your camera work/editing is top-notch!
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Thank you for soothing my closet OCD by correcting that 90-degree fuel shutoff. When I saw that at the beginning, I said to myself, "Man I hope James fixes that..."
Never understood why Homelite sent them that way from the factory. Must have had a lot of those 90 degree valves hanging around.
Nice to see you get an easy one for a change. Thanks for sharing the specifics of the paint used and the new fuel valve routing looks much cleaner. 👍
Thank Eric!
Watching this repair is SO MUCH BETTER than watching the election results!! Thank you for bringing down my stress level. It's too early for beer!
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Great idea putting the card board on the cross member before draining. Makes clean up much easier. Looks like another great pick up 👍👍
My local Chinese food place, puts the combo plates in plastic trays. They are a perfect size for this and make for no mess oil changes :)
James, GREAT videos. I have learned so much just from watching these. Since starting to view these I have got up the nerve to attack issues in my own small engine fleet. Using one of your videos, I completely tuned up my snowblower that has been neglected for the past three years. Tried to clean the carb but it was pretty nasty, purchased a new one and installed it. Runs like a champ. Replaced a carb on my Generac XG8000E that had a stuck float bowl. Tore that apart two years ago and just left it. Saw a few of you videos and finished the job. Also replaced the dead battery on it and it runs great. Two projects left. Currently tore apart a PowerBack Generator with a 10 hp B & S engine. Mice had gotten in the wiring. Replaced a blown head gasket, new coil, new carb, new gasket kit for the fuel pump, new kill switch, new air cleaner, new fuel filter, new gas and oil change. She starts and runs but has a constant hunt and surge issue. This is foreign to me. Not sure where to start but will be working on it. Lastly, have a push mower with a B & S engine that needs some care. Should be loading that on the bench after I fix this hunt and surge issue with the PowerBack. Thanks for putting out all these videos. You Da MAN!!
Good to hear. If the PowerBack has a Techumseh engine, see this video th-cam.com/video/tzE9c9g-7es/w-d-xo.html starting at 22:13. They do not have a anti lash (anti surge) spring. Adding one could make the difference. Otherwise a carb issue.
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@@jcondon1 Not a Tecumseh engine. Flat head 10hp B &S. Added new carb, still surges. Tried adjusting the mixture screw and the idle screw. Still surges. Tightened up scant amount of slack in governor. Still surges. Ordered the micro drill bit set from Amazon, arrives Saturday. Going to drill out the jet. If it still surges after that I'm going to take it out back and shoot it.
James, The micro drill bits came in and I finally had a chance to take apart the carb on Sunday. Did it just like you suggested. I was a bit nervous about snapping off one of those micro drill bits in there. After drilling out the hole, I put it all back together, fired it up and she purrs like a kitten. Thanks again for putting out all your videos on generator and small engine repair. Keep up the great work and thanks again for all your help.
I want to thank you so very much. Went to fire up my snowblower this year to get it ready for the winter and the stupid thing wouldn't start thanks to your diagnostic skills I use a little break clean to confirm that I had compression and Spark which I expected I should because it's only 2 years old but I tend to have trouble with mice. I run stabilized ethanol-free fuel through all of my small engines the carburetor internally looked absolutely brand new but there was a small ball or what look like Snot stuck in the main jet. Thanks to your videos I knew exactly what to do I had a diagnosed in under 5 minutes had it apart fixed and put back together in under an hour
It is usually the carb. Does not take much.
I noticed my favorite beverage sitting there too!
What beverage was that?
@@jcondon1 diet coke
Great purchase. Fantastic job of testing, repairing, rejuvenating and repairing the unit. Love the hertz setting as well. Thanks for the video.
Paint info was appreciated... thanks.
Liked Before and After on surging.
James, I find your videos cathartic! Thanks, have a super day.
I'd swap the fuel filter and fuel shut off valve so that if you ever need to replace a fuel filter you can shut off the supply of gas to it.
hi james looks like you fell on your feet with this one, must be nice to get the odd easy job, nice gene mate
It was cool to see how fast the governor reacted to each of the heaters being turned on. Not all of them are that quick and smooth. Maybe one of these days I'll finally fix the hunting issue on my old Homelite/Briggs generator. I've always had to leave the choke on slightly, or it runs exactly like this one did before the repair. It runs great otherwise, and the speed is right on.
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Interesting how the motor is mounted on this generator never seen a generator setup like this mostly used to seeing the standred long rectangular style generators
I like the engine and carb on this setup a lot. Easy to move around in this configuration. But does not fit though a standard door width.
@@jcondon1 aww I was wondering how it roles if it even fits through a standard door makes sense that it dosent
Nice job James as always keep safe dude as want to see more of your videos? You and your family take care?
Perfect job James ! Looks and runs great ..ENJOYED
Hey James, You could go down to harbor freight and most likely find a few basic tools to do body work such as little body hammers and little hand anvils of different shapes and sizes. Good video. Keep up the good work.
Great video as always bro
Appreciate it!
I put grease on the axels before I put the wheels on my generator. I used regular old tub wheel bearing grease. I also plumbed up an oil drain, so it extends past the frame, so I can drain the oil out without it getting all over the frame. I used 1/4 inch NPT nipple and a 90 degree elbow with pipe thread compound on the threads. The original plug goes right back in the end of the elbow. I have done this on lots of equipment in the past.
Good tip. Will try that out. Thanks.
"Plaque on the walls" sounds like a dentist. :-) Good job as usual.
100$ good find!
I know nothing about generators but I love watching your channel. I have a better understanding. So, what would be a reasonable selling price now?
This generator usually sells for about $400 in good used condition.
Another great video Thank you James.
Glad you enjoyed it
The two things I despise about these generators, oil drains all over the frame and carb gets interference from the frame, making propane conversion a pita. When I was a lot younger, I thought CAD was going these kinds of problems. And then things got worse, at least on cars. They became able to get consistency so good, that they could guarantee you'd have a 1/16" too little clearance space, on every manufactured unit. ;) I have a small drawer with my "custom" harley tools, that were once good tools, but now they fit for things like 1" long allen head intake manifold bolts that have 1/4" of space to back out, once you loosen them with a "custom" tool.
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thanks James, appreciated.
Another great video, I am really learning a lot.
Glad to hear it!
Informative repair. If bolt torque value is important, I'd avoid the use of extentions which will change torque as extentions will twist and cause a false reading.
Thanks. These bolts are not critical. Just trying to torque them in a consistent manner.
They may twist, but I don't think the twisting will cause a false reading. Imagine an extension made out of rubber that's very long. Even when the rubber twists, you'll still feel the same torque on your end as on the bolt end.
Ball bearings on those wheels is overengineering anyway!
They are cheap chinesium wheels. The bearings do not work at all well unless you mess about and space the centres properly.
Hey James, ever come across a parts manufacturer for electric start conversion kits for this Homelite model?
Great unit 🇦🇺👍
Hey James, on a completely separate topic, I was hoping you could give me some advice on the value of a generator I recently fixed: Coleman Industrial 12000w (14000 starting) generator with a 23hp V Twin Vanguard (B&S). It only has 150 hours on it. I've never sold anything this large so I don't know what a fair price is. Any thoughts based on your experience?
Not sure the new price, but would say $1000 is a fair price for that one.
@@jcondon1 thats the number I had in mind. Thanks James!
Nice spray paint technique. Lol
Down here in Florida after the hurricane…my Homelite was running fine today and all of a sudden NO Power !!…what would be the most likely cause ??…was running fine for the last 5 days…also mine is “hunting”…put my Fluke on the 120 volt outlet and I’m only seeing 3.8 volts or so…any help ??…hopefully don’t have to buy another generator…THANKS !!
More often then not the stator or rotor has failed. The 3.8 volts is residual magnetism in the rotor. The rotor is not powering up. Either bad brushes, bad AVR or a problem in the stator with the excitation winding (DPE winding).
@@jcondon1 James, thanks !!…unfortunately down here in Florida right now I wouldn’t be able to find parts so I picked up a 6500 watt Generac from Home Depot….once things get back to normal down here I’ll take it apart and get it going again…noticed it started to “hunt” as in the video also…I’ll have a backup just in case..thanks again for your insight…diagnosing cars is my passion but maybe small engines can be another thing that can keep me busy…especially down here !!
James, got around to diagnosing the generator…stator on both legs .4 ohms but across the skip rings after they were cleaned were 85 ohms…I think you mentioned anything over 70 ohms were bad…I guess my rotor is spanked and not worth fixing right ???…I had to buy a new Generac anyway after the Homelite crapped out after 3 days…that Homelite generator also went through superstorm Sandy back in 2012.
James, I'm new to your channel as of today. Saw you on Ken's small engine live stream. Nice video and great audio! When you have a rusty fuel tank , what do you do to clean it or do you replace it? I flip mowers but have never gotten a generator. I wouldnt know what to look for on a non running machine an dont know much about the generator part of the machine. I'll keep watching, looks like your very knowledgeable about then! Roger in Iowa
A lot of the Honda clone generators have cheap $40 tanks available on eBay. So usually go with that. Otherwise tanks can be $200-$400 dollars if they are available at all. I have used evaporate to clean up a few tanks, but it takes at least a week to work and can only do so much. If I ever get one that I cannot fix or replace then would add a fuel pump for an external tank or convert to propane, but always check the tank before buying. They are not worth much without a stock tank.
@@jcondon1 James i always figured there wasn't much you could do with a rusty tank. Thanks for responding to my comment! I can't wait until your next video. I wish i had found your channel sooner! Roger
Talk to me about the smaller of the two springs (the one that is around the throttle rod) …. Mine is detached on both sides and I need to get it connected appropriately.
The generator will run without it, but it will probably surge. It is meant to take the plan out of the linkage. There is a little hole on the carburetor near where the throttle rod connects and another large slot on the governor arm next to wear the rod attaches for the other end.
@@jcondon1 thank you, that’s easy enough… Looks like I get to dig a bit deeper to find out why it won’t run . Used to start and run so easy, loaned it out to my little brother and now nothing. 😆
With your vid’s as a guide I feel pretty confident about taking on the challenge!
Where did you get those fuel line clamps ? I like them
Do you sell any that you fix man. Im about betting you have quite a few of them sitting around there.
When you shut off the gas....how come it dies?......There's still fuel in the bowl.......so you really want it to run gas out of the bowl so you don't get any resin etc. build up......I learned that on my generator....which keeps running after you shut off the gas, until the carb runs dry.......if you do that it will start every time ......PS.....I think it's a venting issue on the carb........Z.
Love the content been here before 5k
Looks way better shortening that fuel line
Nice! Why not a shot o' WD on the gov linkage?
That'll love you long time. ;-)
I haven’t seen a scissor jack like that since my mom owned her 1977 Ford Granada!!! Did you ever find a 1-2 mic?
That jack is from my 2014 CRV. I have a mic on order. Should be here in a couple of days. Still need a cylinder gauge.
Well not going to class today
Thanks for the video to go with my lunch, just curious as why you didn’t shot for 5k watts as stated on the plate?
It's only rated for 5000 watts (2500 watts on each leg). The outlets are rated at 2400 watts each. Each space heater is about 1500-1600 watts. Most likely would just trip the breaker.
Ye did it again Doc, runs really well. Hours of life left. How do feel about using Trufuel during times of standby for long periods?
Trufuel works really well. Just gonna cost a bit of $$$$. Also ethanol free fuel is available at some gas stations. Will be a lot less money. Unfortunately I do not have that option. I store with a full tank of stabilized fuel (with ethanol) and empty carb. I swap in fresh stuff twice a year. Never had a problem.
@@jcondon1 Do you use the 6 month old stabilized fuel in your auto?
Looks good But if it was me ill keep the Spark a rester off
Is there a reason that you placed the shut off valve after the filter?
No, just matched the original configuration.
Any clue as to what would cause a muffler on a Generac 7550exl to glow orange after running for a while? Would appreciate any insight
My guess would be running lean or a timing issue. Had a similar issue with the exhaust on a Winco. Made two videos on it. The valve timing was off by one tooth.
@@jcondon1 Thank you sir. I will definitely look for the videos and watch them
James, what part of the country are you located where you can pick up generators so cheap?
New York / Connecticut area.
Fist time |I have seen an idle speed set in Hz, not RPM!
1 hz normally equals 60 rpm. Works well for generators (not inverter generators though). I do use a tach for other equipment or generators that are not making power.
What torque values do you use on small engines?
Carburetors and blower housing usually 60 in/lbs.
You should have put the Rusty Gov. SPRING and tank bolt in the bath Also...
The ultra sonic does not do much for rust, unfortunately
Good grief this Homelight has the most steady power ever. I think you could set the no load hertz to 60.8 and at 3,000watts it would be an even 60 hertz.
Where do you get your Fuel Filters from ??
Amazon. I just bought the same ones. They're Briggs branded but super cheap.
Don't you love it when they talk themselves down? I usually hit them with another $20 at that point. There's a reason for it besides me being cheap. If you jump on their offer they wonder if you would have paid more, it eats people up. If you ever have to deal with them again, they'll have it in the back of their minds that you screwed them over. So if you knock them down a little more and they say no, everyone goes away happy. If they say yes, well you get to wonder if you could have gotten more.
Good point.
Do you have generator with diesel engine?!
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My Generator is surging and hunting while on load. I've cleaned the carburetor (all jets and holes). While on idle, it runs pretty great. But as soon as the load comes in, it is starting to hunt. My generator is 50 Hz model and when I checked for frequency, 50~51 Hz (idle) and 47~55 Hz (on load). Does anyone have a great idea for me?
Does it run any better when adding choke? If so then maybe your main jet is not letting enough fuel through. Surging is normally caused by running lean. Could also have a gasket issue between the carb and engine or maybe the governor spring is too close to the governor shaft making the governor oscillate. 99% if the time it is running lean.
Today I ordered some gaskets for carbuerator and replaced it all. It was running better on quater choke. I replaced the air filter with some thick sponge I could easily get. I think I messed up the fuel air ratio by not using the original filter. Should i use the original one? Thanks for your opinion.
That oil is nasty black wow has it ever been changed lol
Probably not, but Subaru engines are built well.
You know what they say about (the proper) tools, if someone made them then so can you
Sounds like a Honda i have
Subaru makes very good engines. Comparable to Honda in my opinion.
@@jcondon1 I'm inclined to agree re their car engines. You are the small engine guru so I'm happy they put the same effort into their small engines too
Sounds Honda eu7000is generator
I don't understand why not clean the outside of the carb.. Why leave dirt and grease on it.. I like your videos but would love them if you spent a minute to clean completely.. Honestly drives me crazy me crazy and i am sure i am not alone
All the dirt and grease was off. Just corrosion left. No amount of cleaning will get that off.
I feel like the cosmetic stuff is just filler. Do we need to see it?
Just grab the slider and fast forward. A lot of mechs refurbish a machine for resale. He has good hints.
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