As a painter, have felt this divide between religious narrative, spirituality and art for decades. Bravo for this piece. by Camille Paglia; love her work
well of course we have a great example of that with Trappist Monk Thomas Merton and the Dali Lama . and so many other examples . dialogue is learning .
It's so much easier to listen to her read and talk rather than of the cuff talk. I can at least follow her and grasp her ideas, many of which I don't ascribe to.
"Great art can be made out of love for religion aswell as rebellion against it" ❣ Whoever said that Camille Paglia's insightful observations and ideas are never straightforward and easy to understand?!
I fell in love with Jesus just reading a bible. Religion is very similar to a good art because you treasure it by worshipping day in and day out in a private place. Good art gives you a good vibe (like energy of life) and so as religion.
Which Jesus did you love ? Did this ever bother you? Imaginary god Jesus never talked to his imaginary dad about changing the extremely harsh penalties for those who can't believe in god but live morally!! Lake of fire, eternal gnawing and gnashing of teeth, etc. Jews, Muslims, very intelligent people are born with a disadvantage ... and nothing can really make up for early inculcation. Jesus didn't try to make it fairer or to do away with permanent hell considering the importance of biology and environment in every individual, which leaves limited free will. There is not of free choice, not a lot of free will. If one is schizo, you are less limited too. If people don’t realize the importance of biology and environment, they are ignorant and not logical or have no understanding of science or common science. Imaginary god Jesus never talked to his imaginary dad about changing the extremely harsh penalties for those who can't believe in god but live morally!! Jews, Muslims, very intelligent people are born with a disadvantage ... Jesus didn't try to make it fairer or to do away with permanent hell considering the importance of biology and environment in every individual, which leaves limited free will. Of course this is true - biology and environment leaves little if any room for free will (which is different than free choice). If you are schizo, you are less limited too. If people don’t realize the importance of biology and environment, they are ignorant and not logical or have no understanding of science or common science. So due to my environment and heredity, I will never believe in hell or Jesus. I never believed in god either just a big bang creator. The God of the old and new “testicles” is malevolent. If he were a given he is responsible for billions of deaths by natural disaster including smallpox and the list is too long. Plus it's OK for parents to kill their children if they misbehave.
As I told a family member protesting these exhibitions they the protests add to there attraction like" banned in boston " signs of cultural puritanism and calvinism.
She has parsed the melange of american culture in art and religion and its european and African and latin roots only to support its unity as a great symphonic expression. Religion is americas discipline, art its spiritual yeast, Science its materialistic structure. Her discourse is an attempt to resolve these competing forces for image attention.
Read more Camille, Oswald Spengler and Nietzsche. Religious art is a unique blend of Apollonian and Dionysian impulses. It is both a rational/ascetic product and an ecstatic, wild experience. That's why it's great.
@@nathanward70 well I don't know about Spengler, but yes, religious art is a part of Art and part of human creativity. The fact that Religion inspired art, should never be overlooked. It's part of our unviersal cultural heritage which the Harris's and Hitchenses of this world stupidly overlook.
I'd take the deep solemn bassnotes of a pipe organ Catholic hymn over the shrieking delusional pop-parody of the new protestant party rock any day Good Lord I can't stand "worship bands".. And I'm a reggae rock musician haha
In fact watching johnny Carson and eric idol the latter opined the life of brian was a box office failure and stinker of a movie till the protesters showed up. Then the ticket buyers showed up.
She skipped 60's American Abstract Expression and went straight to Warhol. I wonder why. I think Warhol is the post modern painter. I do not respect him.
Paglia stated over and over again that she believes the last subversive and really relevant post modern art was made by Warhol and Mapplethrope! She is damn right.
I cannot stereotype it but Mr. Obama has good art work in his house and he is democrats. My Mormon Friends love Trump who adore kistch not art. Trump's NY home is covered with kistch. I think Art is the key to improve our society and get through kistch filled, imaginary fake world. Only hand full of people would know about Art so Camille is working hard.
I read your comments. I think we share the sense that both art and spirituality offer an experience of the transcendent. Your remark "good art gives you a good vibe...and so as religion" is a lovely way of expressing that. Abstract expressionism, which you mentioned in one of your comments, may well be the style of painting that most directly exposes the viewer to the "absolute". The fact that so few Christians, especially fundamentalists, seem to appreciate this suggests their unfamiliarity with "Christ consciousness". By the way, it's no surprise that Trump's home is filled with non-art kitsch, given that a love of art is only possible for the person who possesses a love of life. Finally, like you, I don't care for Warhol. The innocent, joyous creation of beauty for it's own sake declined when Post Modernism came along.
What you are stereotyping is -class. A lot of Obama folks are middle to upper middle class white suburban types with coastal connections and their tastes reflect the same. Yes Trump taste is a bit kitschy but it is really Baroque which is a populist taste which is why people instinctively flock to him. The noveau rich and lower middle classes love kitsch. And it is rather presumptuous of you to declare one art for as "fake or imaginary".
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As a painter, have felt this divide between religious narrative, spirituality and art for decades. Bravo for this piece. by Camille Paglia; love her work
Timothy Roepe the Left are nothing but Cultural Marxist-Socialists who favor INFANTICIDE
fascinating points. comparative religion as the source of a new, or re evaluated values seems promising
well of course we have a great example of that with Trappist Monk Thomas Merton and the Dali Lama . and so many other examples . dialogue is learning .
This was fantastic! Thank you for the upload! I love when Camille discusses religion and art.
She blurted out "iPad" instead of "iPod". She was always a prophet.
3:20 - Camille Paglia subconsciously predicts iPads in 2007
Wait, there's something wrong with the speed setting on this video.
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😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's so much easier to listen to her read and talk rather than of the cuff talk. I can at least follow her and grasp her ideas, many of which I don't ascribe to.
OFF the cuff...
This one of my favorite articles of hers (what she's reading).
Brilliant lecture, and she is right. Better to draw conclusions from this for educational reform.
practically the only woman/feminist/democrat who seems to ever talk about religion, politics or culture with the slightest bit of intelligence
This is magnificent.
"Shakespearean King James version" love it!
"Great art can be made out of love for religion aswell as rebellion against it" ❣
Whoever said that Camille Paglia's insightful observations and ideas are never straightforward and easy to understand?!
I fell in love with Jesus just reading a bible. Religion is very similar to a good art because you treasure it by worshipping day in and day out in a private place. Good art gives you a good vibe (like energy of life) and so as religion.
Which Jesus did you love ? Did this ever bother you? Imaginary god Jesus never talked to his imaginary dad about changing the extremely harsh penalties for those who can't believe in god but live morally!! Lake of fire, eternal gnawing and gnashing of teeth, etc. Jews, Muslims, very intelligent people are born with a disadvantage ... and nothing can really make up for early inculcation.
Jesus didn't try to make it fairer or to do away with permanent hell considering the importance of biology and environment in every individual, which leaves limited free will. There is not of free choice, not a lot of free will. If one is schizo, you are less limited too. If people don’t realize the importance of biology and environment, they are ignorant and not logical or have no understanding of science or common science.
Imaginary god Jesus never talked to his imaginary dad about changing the extremely harsh penalties for those who can't believe in god but live morally!!
Jews, Muslims, very intelligent people are born with a disadvantage ...
Jesus didn't try to make it fairer or to do away with permanent hell considering the importance of biology and environment in every individual, which leaves limited free will. Of course this is true - biology and environment leaves little if any room for free will (which is different than free choice). If you are schizo, you are less limited too. If people don’t realize the importance of biology and environment, they are ignorant and not logical or have no understanding of science or common science. So due to my environment and heredity, I will never believe in hell or Jesus. I never believed in god either just a big bang creator. The God of the old and new “testicles” is malevolent. If he were a given he is responsible for billions of deaths by natural disaster including smallpox and the list is too long. Plus it's OK for parents to kill their children if they misbehave.
@@oppothumbs1 What you can't let go, you take with you. Obviously you can't let go.
As I told a family member protesting these exhibitions they the protests add to there attraction like" banned in boston " signs of cultural puritanism and calvinism.
Thank you
No one loves her more than me, but she's speaking like someone put a tranquilizer in her espresso.
why does she talk so slowly? that's odd.
carolcheny usually it's the opposite
I think it might be because she is reading from a prepared speech. She is more of her fast-talking self at the end during the Q&A.
@@dontellahfonne she's also mentioned deliberately adopting a slow and hypnotic tone for platforms like C-SPAN lol
because she is reading
She has parsed the melange of american culture in art and religion and its european and African and latin roots only to support its unity as a great symphonic expression. Religion is americas discipline, art its spiritual yeast, Science its materialistic structure. Her discourse is an attempt to resolve these competing forces for image attention.
I dont understand why Paglia is reading her own work in such a fashion
too bad her q&a is cut short
watch the full q&a here: www.c-span.org/video/?196601-1/religion-arts-america
@@dontellahfonne Thank you so much!
I dont understand why Paglia ia reading this in a tone as if she didnt write it herself...for surely she did, or am I wrong?
it is very obvious, or should be, that some of the greatest art was inspired by religion--both in the East and in the West.
Read more Camille, Oswald Spengler and Nietzsche. Religious art is a unique blend of Apollonian and Dionysian impulses. It is both a rational/ascetic product and an ecstatic, wild experience. That's why it's great.
@@nathanward70 well I don't know about Spengler, but yes, religious art is a part of Art and part of human creativity. The fact that Religion inspired art, should never be overlooked. It's part of our unviersal cultural heritage which the Harris's and Hitchenses of this world stupidly overlook.
I'd take the deep solemn bassnotes of a pipe organ Catholic hymn over the shrieking delusional pop-parody of the new protestant party rock any day
Good Lord I can't stand "worship bands"..
And I'm a reggae rock musician haha
In fact watching johnny Carson and eric idol the latter opined the life of brian was a box office failure and stinker of a movie till the protesters showed up. Then the ticket buyers showed up.
She skipped 60's American Abstract Expression and went straight to Warhol. I wonder why. I think Warhol is the post modern painter. I do not respect him.
Paglia stated over and over again that she believes the last subversive and really relevant post modern art was made by Warhol and Mapplethrope!
She is damn right.
'The Avent Guarde is dead"
I cannot stereotype it but Mr. Obama has good art work in his house and he is democrats. My Mormon Friends love Trump who adore kistch not art. Trump's NY home is covered with kistch. I think Art is the key to improve our society and get through kistch filled, imaginary fake world. Only hand full of people would know about Art so Camille is working hard.
I read your comments. I think we share the sense that both art and spirituality offer an experience of the transcendent. Your remark "good art gives you a good vibe...and so as religion" is a lovely way of expressing that. Abstract expressionism, which you mentioned in one of your comments, may well be the style of painting that most directly exposes the viewer to the "absolute". The fact that so few Christians, especially fundamentalists, seem to appreciate this suggests their unfamiliarity with "Christ consciousness". By the way, it's no surprise that Trump's home is filled with non-art kitsch, given that a love of art is only possible for the person who possesses a love of life. Finally, like you, I don't care for Warhol. The innocent, joyous creation of beauty for it's own sake declined when Post Modernism came along.
Hitler was an artist, what's your point again?
What you are stereotyping is -class. A lot of Obama folks are middle to upper middle class white suburban types with coastal connections and their tastes reflect the same.
Yes Trump taste is a bit kitschy but it is really Baroque which is a populist taste which is why people instinctively flock to him.
The noveau rich and lower middle classes love kitsch. And it is rather presumptuous of you to declare one art for as "fake or imaginary".
Camille is defending good books of bad deeds and dogma and a malevolent god bases on it's artistic and historical merits.
no . Camille is saying think . then think again . then think some more . look at things in a nuanced way .
Your lot are the new puritans, go tell your atheist friends that not believing in God isn't a personality.