I f*cking love this woman. I have never learned anything about art history but the incomparable Camille Paglia makes me want to learn more and take care to appreciate art -- especially religious art -- when I encounter it. Ive definitely gotta get my hands on that book. What a FORCE OF NATURE this woman is!
Always an inspiration and a consolation in a world dominated by reductionism and superficiality to hear Paglia speak. Several hours worth of content in 45 minutes! Thanks for this.
I guess im randomly asking but does any of you know a way to get back into an instagram account? I was dumb lost the password. I appreciate any help you can offer me
@Jad Scott thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site on google and Im in the hacking process now. Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
Fine arts flourished in US when Europeans all run to US during and after the second world war and shortly after died. I think the American Abstract Expressions is so high up that not many of them capable of following it and yet not to see new style beyond it. Even my abstract work is not that so great but people who paint sun set or nude, never get how I paint so they call me stuck up or often say, "it is your opinion that the American Abstract Expressions is high up, we do not see it that way" However high up does not mean not for everyone. I think everyone needs to see high up stuff so that eventually cultivate eyes for finer stuff.
I have to disagree with her on Europeans learning about the history of the fine arts at school. I was a student at public schools in Germany from 1994 till 2007. We have barely learned anything about art history. Extremely superficial. And besides those passionate enough to major in arts in the final two years of high school, we sadly don't know anything besides a handful of very iconic works of mostly Italian Renaissance art.
1. Germany is not Europe. The educational system in Germany is beyond by 30 years compared to the Scandinavians. 2. I got my Abitur in Hamburg at a Gesamtschule which was the best imaginable school for me as an artistic child. I have learned about methods and historical references and was allowed to enter the Werkstatt all by myself at all times to produce art. 3. Germans have a heavily fractured sense of national identity. This has a great impact on their view or art, artists and culture especially French, English and American art and culture. The pretty much live in the past and live off of the past achievements. Their main source of artistic proud is a very short phase of the Weimarer Republik up until the Second World War!
Interesting. I always thought German and Croatian secondary education systems were much more similar. I received my high school eduction in a Croatian gymnasium (public school) and we had compulsory lessons in history of art, two hours per week for four years. (We also had History of Music back then, albeit one hour per week.) It was a proper survey course, the kind that used to be taught in undergraduate studies for a long time. We started with pre-historical art and ended with roughly 1980s. Although I occasionally felt rather overwhelmed by the sheer amount of information we were expected to digest and memorise, now I am SO glad I got to have that kind of education, especially after seeing how much it helped me in my graduate studies.
21:53 ok, loving the talk up until now. Here I find she contradicts herself. On the one hand, she lambasts artists of today for thinking that they can replicate or revive the great avant-Garde gestures of the past, and then at the same time she denounces post-modernism/structuralism for watering down and degrading great art of the past. As an artist of today I have to ask, well...what do you want us to do? Perhaps I am misunderstanding her. Maybe her argument is that a true, vivid revival of the avant-garde tradition would be accepted but most of what passes for avant-Garde art is nothing of the sort. What do you guys think?
I guess contradiction and nuance seem to me to be at the center of a lot of Paglia’s writing, since she is a dualist at heart, always critiquing the left and the right, the old and the new...have you read Glittering Images? Or watched any of the interview excerpts? She is so pessimistic about the contemporary art scene that she goes so far as to say that the only major contemporary artwork that has been produced in the last 30 years didn’t come from the fine arts at all...it came from cinema: Revenge of the Sith. Are you in the arts? What’s your craft?
There are a few Americanisms in there I didn’t get :p I’m a Brit so you’ll have to excuse me. I’m a fine artist, I do paintings, animation and film. I was at university but was hindered by a really dreadful radfem tutor who hates Paglia (no surprise) and flat mates so I dropped out and am going back in September, finally in my own place 🙏 I wonder if you can attach links on here so I can show you my work... tell me if this works: parmesanchic.tumblr.com/post/161435680763/vermeersilitudemedusas-gaze-beauty-halts-and My tutor flat out refused to comment on this piece lol. It was the last day before I dropped out and I was in the studio space with her and my painting and I asked her what she thought and her literal response was ‘I dont know why you’re showing me this’. Uhh maybe because you’re my tutor and I’m paying you £9000 per year for precisely this service as opposed to being a dilettante making art at home in my bedroom?!? Then I asked her how well the concept I was trying to convey came across and she simply said she didn’t know because she hadn’t done any oil painting for 30 years. Like wut?! How’s that relevant?! But yeah Paglia is an enormous influence for me as an artist. I try to actively dramatise the fact that the ‘oppositional’ gesture i.e. duchamp’s urinal, plastic tits in a shopping trolley is now mainstream, so it’s not oppositional anymore. The idea that kind of art ‘interrogates’ or ‘challenges’ is simply bullshit. What do people think of when they think of modern art? They think of feather boas draped over concrete blocks, they think of ‘my two year old could have done that’. What’re you opposing? You are the mainstream now. Want to genuinely make something that shocks people? Why not create something genius? Why not create a masterpiece? People forget that the devil was always a man of wealth and taste... Now that whole question of genius and greatness is incredibly controversial. THERE’S your taboo.
@@RapidBlindfolds Thank you for the response. Your tutor was an asshole, your work it great. Besides, she should be more enlightened about art than her reaction suggests. She was just unprofessional and uncreative, intellectually speaking, it seems. I suppose that artists and creators both want to distinguish themselves (and thus go against the mainstream) and to tap into current reality (and thus be able to translate some idea of the mainstream). That's an eternal contradiction. One aspect of current reality, both ordinary and artistic, is overpoliticalism and presentism. I suppose an artist wanting to be "contemporary" could go against any type of political analysis of reality in their work, and sit their point of view at the corner of time periods (or apart of real time/history). Ultimately, I think, Paglia's main lesson for artists is cultivate knowledge of the world but be aware of ordinary life and trust your intimate, personal vision of what it means.
"what do you want us to do?" you ask? When in the history of art has an artist ever asked what do you want me to do. The very essence of art, as an artist, is doing what YOUR vision is. What is your vision? produce it.. I have never heard such a silly emotional response to this brilliant brilliant woman.
Religious art and religion needs a comeuppance as long as it has a stranglehold on society in so many bad ways. You act like you understand outsiders but do you understand the damage religion does to the non-religious? I am an Atheist but if god is everywhere he is certainly in piss. Imaginary god Jesus never talked to his imaginary dad about changing the extremely harsh penalties for those who can't believe in god but live morally!! Lake of fire, eternal gnawing and gnashing of teeth, etc. Jews, Muslims, very intelligent people are born with a disadvantage ... and nothing can really make up for early inculcation .. Jesus didn't try to make it fairer or to do away with permanent hell considering the importance of biology and environment in every individual, which leaves limited free will. There is not of free choice, not a lot of free will. If one is schizo, you are less limited too. If people don’t realize the importance of biology and environment, they are ignorant and not logical or have no understanding of science or common science.
Yeah she doesn't know much about Hitch. I love him -- and her. He didn't think much of her either. In this respect, they were both wrong -- they both missed something great right before their eyes. I think they are so much alike in explosive ways, clearly. I think neither of them could stand to be upstaged by the other. They are both voices too powerful; side by side they're like matter and antimatter. They're both phenomenal.
I f*cking love this woman.
I have never learned anything about art history but the incomparable Camille Paglia makes me want to learn more and take care to appreciate art -- especially religious art -- when I encounter it. Ive definitely gotta get my hands on that book.
What a FORCE OF NATURE this woman is!
She is very much on point.
Couldn't be more.
I adore this woman!!!!
Camille Paglia continues to speak of/ for us all. Bravo....
I bought that book.
I love it!
Such a retro feeling to it
Coffee table book?
She is great to have. She can talk because she knows what she is talking about so well.
Always an inspiration and a consolation in a world dominated by reductionism and superficiality to hear Paglia speak. Several hours worth of content in 45 minutes! Thanks for this.
I guess im randomly asking but does any of you know a way to get back into an instagram account?
I was dumb lost the password. I appreciate any help you can offer me
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@Jad Scott thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site on google and Im in the hacking process now.
Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Jad Scott It did the trick and I finally got access to my account again. I am so happy!
Thank you so much, you really help me out !
@Theodore Jayden you are welcome =)
Thanks for posting this. 🙏
Camille Paglia is mesmerizing.
No one like her!
Thanks for posting this. Absolutely fascinating talk!
I found it somewhere online by chance and had to post it on youtube.
Thanks for the upload! ❤️
Iconic
Fine arts flourished in US when Europeans all run to US during and after the second world war and shortly after died. I think the American Abstract Expressions is so high up that not many of them capable of following it and yet not to see new style beyond it. Even my abstract work is not that so great but people who paint sun set or nude, never get how I paint so they call me stuck up or often say, "it is your opinion that the American Abstract Expressions is high up, we do not see it that way" However high up does not mean not for everyone. I think everyone needs to see high up stuff so that eventually cultivate eyes for finer stuff.
Different doesn't mean high up. High up means better, how you say apple tastes better than orange? It's personal taste.
I like Holly Virgin Mary. I saw it. Good that the Brooklyn Museum kept it.
I have to disagree with her on Europeans learning about the history of the fine arts at school. I was a student at public schools in Germany from 1994 till 2007. We have barely learned anything about art history. Extremely superficial. And besides those passionate enough to major in arts in the final two years of high school, we sadly don't know anything besides a handful of very iconic works of mostly Italian Renaissance art.
1. Germany is not Europe.
The educational system in Germany is beyond by 30 years compared to the Scandinavians.
2. I got my Abitur in Hamburg at a Gesamtschule which was the best imaginable school for me as an artistic child.
I have learned about methods and historical references and was allowed to enter the Werkstatt all by myself at all times to produce art.
3. Germans have a heavily fractured sense of national identity. This has a great impact on their view or art, artists and culture especially French, English and American art and culture. The pretty much live in the past and live off of the past achievements. Their main source of artistic proud is a very short phase of the Weimarer Republik up until the Second World War!
Interesting. I always thought German and Croatian secondary education systems were much more similar. I received my high school eduction in a Croatian gymnasium (public school) and we had compulsory lessons in history of art, two hours per week for four years. (We also had History of Music back then, albeit one hour per week.) It was a proper survey course, the kind that used to be taught in undergraduate studies for a long time. We started with pre-historical art and ended with roughly 1980s. Although I occasionally felt rather overwhelmed by the sheer amount of information we were expected to digest and memorise, now I am SO glad I got to have that kind of education, especially after seeing how much it helped me in my graduate studies.
Where is the Q/A?
nice
21:53 ok, loving the talk up until now. Here I find she contradicts herself. On the one hand, she lambasts artists of today for thinking that they can replicate or revive the great avant-Garde gestures of the past, and then at the same time she denounces post-modernism/structuralism for watering down and degrading great art of the past. As an artist of today I have to ask, well...what do you want us to do? Perhaps I am misunderstanding her. Maybe her argument is that a true, vivid revival of the avant-garde tradition would be accepted but most of what passes for avant-Garde art is nothing of the sort. What do you guys think?
I guess contradiction and nuance seem to me to be at the center of a lot of Paglia’s writing, since she is a dualist at heart, always critiquing the left and the right, the old and the new...have you read Glittering Images? Or watched any of the interview excerpts? She is so pessimistic about the contemporary art scene that she goes so far as to say that the only major contemporary artwork that has been produced in the last 30 years didn’t come from the fine arts at all...it came from cinema: Revenge of the Sith. Are you in the arts? What’s your craft?
There are a few Americanisms in there I didn’t get :p I’m a Brit so you’ll have to excuse me. I’m a fine artist, I do paintings, animation and film. I was at university but was hindered by a really dreadful radfem tutor who hates Paglia (no surprise) and flat mates so I dropped out and am going back in September, finally in my own place 🙏 I wonder if you can attach links on here so I can show you my work... tell me if this works:
parmesanchic.tumblr.com/post/161435680763/vermeersilitudemedusas-gaze-beauty-halts-and
My tutor flat out refused to comment on this piece lol. It was the last day before I dropped out and I was in the studio space with her and my painting and I asked her what she thought and her literal response was ‘I dont know why you’re showing me this’. Uhh maybe because you’re my tutor and I’m paying you £9000 per year for precisely this service as opposed to being a dilettante making art at home in my bedroom?!? Then I asked her how well the concept I was trying to convey came across and she simply said she didn’t know because she hadn’t done any oil painting for 30 years. Like wut?! How’s that relevant?!
But yeah Paglia is an enormous influence for me as an artist. I try to actively dramatise the fact that the ‘oppositional’ gesture i.e. duchamp’s urinal, plastic tits in a shopping trolley is now mainstream, so it’s not oppositional anymore. The idea that kind of art ‘interrogates’ or ‘challenges’ is simply bullshit.
What do people think of when they think of modern art? They think of feather boas draped over concrete blocks, they think of ‘my two year old could have done that’. What’re you opposing? You are the mainstream now. Want to genuinely make something that shocks people? Why not create something genius? Why not create a masterpiece? People forget that the devil was always a man of wealth and taste...
Now that whole question of genius and greatness is incredibly controversial. THERE’S your taboo.
Surely there must be alternatives to a) trying to be avantgarde or b) being a post structuralist.
@@RapidBlindfolds Thank you for the response. Your tutor was an asshole, your work it great. Besides, she should be more enlightened about art than her reaction suggests. She was just unprofessional and uncreative, intellectually speaking, it seems.
I suppose that artists and creators both want to distinguish themselves (and thus go against the mainstream) and to tap into current reality (and thus be able to translate some idea of the mainstream). That's an eternal contradiction. One aspect of current reality, both ordinary and artistic, is overpoliticalism and presentism. I suppose an artist wanting to be "contemporary" could go against any type of political analysis of reality in their work, and sit their point of view at the corner of time periods (or apart of real time/history). Ultimately, I think, Paglia's main lesson for artists is cultivate knowledge of the world but be aware of ordinary life and trust your intimate, personal vision of what it means.
"what do you want us to do?" you ask? When in the history of art has an artist ever asked what do you want me to do. The very essence of art, as an artist, is doing what YOUR vision is. What is your vision? produce it.. I have never heard such a silly emotional response to this brilliant brilliant woman.
Please please improve the video volume
I can't.
I make music. I feel so strongly about what she says... I don't know what I make, and what it is need to make.
soundcloud.com/phryq/sets/orchestral
Thanks for this. But Luther was not an iconoclast.
She speaks like a sped up Tarantino.
Religious art and religion needs a comeuppance as long as it has a stranglehold on society in so many bad ways. You act like you understand outsiders but do you understand the damage religion does to the non-religious? I am an Atheist but if god is everywhere he is certainly in piss. Imaginary god Jesus never talked to his imaginary dad about changing the extremely harsh penalties for those who can't believe in god but live morally!! Lake of fire, eternal gnawing and gnashing of teeth, etc. Jews, Muslims, very intelligent people are born with a disadvantage ... and nothing can really make up for early inculcation ..
Jesus didn't try to make it fairer or to do away with permanent hell considering the importance of biology and environment in every individual, which leaves limited free will. There is not of free choice, not a lot of free will. If one is schizo, you are less limited too. If people don’t realize the importance of biology and environment, they are ignorant and not logical or have no understanding of science or common science.
This Lady Is Irritating. Her Jealous Rant About Hitchens Was Literally A Pile Of Crap. She Dresses Nice, Though.
shut the fuck up
Yeah she doesn't know much about Hitch. I love him -- and her.
He didn't think much of her either.
In this respect, they were both wrong -- they both missed something great right before their eyes.
I think they are so much alike in explosive ways, clearly.
I think neither of them could stand to be upstaged by the other.
They are both voices too powerful; side by side they're like matter and antimatter.
They're both phenomenal.
@@laurasalo6160 Camille stands closer to Joseph Campbell rather than Hitchens.
@@Katharsis540 yes, I meant in the sense of their larger than life personalities, certainly not in their beliefs. :)
agreed, I love Hitchens