It is interesting that Scarlet and Violet added a Psychic, Dark, and Fighting type bird (Espathra, Bombirdier, and Flamigo) right after the galarian legendary birds.
one thing about the bird situation with skeledirge is that since it's based on the Cuca (from iberian-latinamerican folklore) the evolution may actually be very different from what it may seem (Cuca is a crocodilian looking lady, have that in mind) - according to legend, whenever a new Cuca is bound to hatch from an egg, an older and weaker one transforms into a bird that sings it's sorrow - with that in mind, the crocalor when evolves, turns into the bird, and from the egg that it carries, hatches the croc that we see in skeledirge (seems counter intuitive but crocs hatches from eggs) so taking that into consideration, depending on Cuca's powers, it could directly transform into a bird (moltres even) depending on it's strength, the ghost typing may be because of the "death" of the older Cuca but it could also be because of the power of the new hatched one
I believe The 3 Galar Birds are more accurately an example of convergent evolution, similar to Toedscruel or Wiglet. People believed them to be a regional variants of the other birds, and named them accordingly.
I believe that the two legendary weather birds, Lugia and Ho'oh, each create in different places at different times, three legendary Pokémon out of deceased Pokémon. That's why though we see ancient versions of the modern legendary beasts, and why there are different bird trinities.
Honestly that flows pretty well with Pokedex entries and with the baby Lugia from the anime Maybe each regions ocean/sea is guarded by a lugia and each regions sky is guarded by a Ho-oh. And them in turn make more legendary beasts/birds to help them maintain the weather
I personally choose to believe the Galarian Birds are separate Subspecies or somewhat closely related cousins to the more common birds we see in Kanto, Kalos, and other regions. Due to them happening to have traits that can be interpreted as the powers the three birds had in legend they were designated their names out of sheer coincidence and lack of knowledge. It would appear that Peony himself documented and loaded these three into the Dex after you catch them and he mentions how they match the descriptions in his notes even though the notes may be literal with the elemental powers. Also Sensu Oricorio doesn’t actually live in Paldea, only Pom-Pom and Baile style do. The purple nectar required to change their form is only found in shops implying the item is imported so this specific Oricorio isn’t actually native to Paldea.
This is a really cool theory! I'm not too sure about Zapdos/Espathra and Articuno/Oricorio but the torch song bird and Moltres actually seems plausible! Or hell maybe it's an early form of the paldea's new thing in convergent evolution with the three Galarian Birds and the three Original? Kantonian? Birds being like Diglett and Wiglett!
This video honestly resonates with me deeply and I can’t place why. It just gets to me on a very deep level I can’t explain or understand. Tragically yet beautifully; truly bittersweet
1st, I do not believe that a lot of the Crown Tundrea is ancient past, rather, a lot of the Fossil Pokemon just got released there and bred there... like Lapras, they are back... 2nd, there are signs that the Raid Dens are actually portals to another dimension... explaining the Ultra Beasts... and also why Nebby was found. 3rd, saying the Galar Birds actually come from Galar is iffy. Nobody in Galar even knew they f***ing existed but Galar did know of the existence of the (Kanto) Legendary Birds that travel the world... it was like they just appeared... same time as portals to another universe appeared... For me, I believe that they are just completely different Pokemon from another dimension...
I still count the Galarian birds as Paldean paradox Pokemons that were only introduced to us one generation earlier before the concept of paradox forms were familiar to us.
I think it's possible that these three are only a Trio to outsiders. Like they are always seen together so the people of the Pokemon World assume they are related to one another but the reality is that they aren't actually. Without getting into any potential relation to Lugia I think that maybe The Legendary Birds are separate species of Pokemon drawn to similar sources of Power. On your video about Terapagos I brought the idea that Legendary Pokemon are possibly naturally drawn to massive sources of power. Maybe it's like food to them? The fruit of the Dyna Tree are massive and seem to grow feeding off the Max Raid Dens or even the nearby Max Lair making the fruit some kind of physically edible version of the Energy they crave. In the original Kanto games you find the Three Legendary birds very far from one another and maybe that's some hint to the kind of energy they primarily feed off of. Moltres is found in Victory Road a place where trainers who seek to topple the Elite Four and Become champions of their respective region. Hot blooded battles to prove who can come out on top. Zapdos is found in a Power Plant, kinda self explanatory since it's stated in many Electric-type Pokemon entries that they're naturally attracted to large sources of electricity. But the structure is defunct when we find it so it can't be producing energy so maybe Zapdos feeds off the ambient energy that is left behind from the machines before leaving. And Articuno is found in the Seafoam Islands, a place so far removed from any sort of human interference you could almost consider it a cold dead zone in comparison to it's counterparts. Articuno likely feeds off that empty energy to fuel it's icy powers. Honestly my evidence is weak but for a tl:dr I'm trying to say that these three might be attracted to "Power Spots." Spots that closely resonate with them in any given region that they can live in like a home. But for the Dyna Tree it's likely that the energy is so enticing to them that they are naturally drawn to it more than the places they would normally go to. And to relate to my above when they do flee to other area's in Galar where do they go? Zapdos has moved to the Wild Area of the main land closest to a massive city. Moltres moved to the Isle of Armor a place where Trainers gather to grow stronger and battle against one another. And Articuno remained in the Crown Tundra isolated from any big Human Settlements. I hope any of this makes sense.
0:29 Ugh, Mystery Dungeon makes it official that Lugia is the Master of the Bird Trio. Also, you have to recruit the 3 legendary birds to have access to Lugia in those games.
@@sb6196 Not canon but OFFICIALLY declared by The Pokemon Company on an actual game. Lugia as the Bird Trio master was never been a fan-made or a fiction made by a troll in a comment section. Everybody could just shrug it off if it is just mentioned in the movie and never again.
@@MegaPaborito Something that happens in a spin-off game doesn't make something officially canon across the board. Unless it's backed up by a main line game, it just mean that it's canon TO THAT GAME'S CONTINUITY. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely the general "head canon" for the majority of fans (myself included), but it's just speculation until a main line game confirms it. The Bird Trio had no ties to any other Legendary in their game introduction, which make sense due to the only other Legendary being Mewtwo and Mew, but they were also completely missing from the gen 2 games which introduced their supposed "master" Lugia. Even if we take into account the Mystery Dungeon connection from 2005, that connection wasn't followed through when they remade the gen 2 games as HGSS in 2010. It was the perfect opportunity to finally confirms the connection, but Articuno and Zapdos were at/near their usual location in Kanto, while Moltress was in Mt. Silver instead of Victory Road like in Gen 1 Kanto, or Mt. Ember from Gen 3 Kanto. Unless I missed something, the only official lore connection between Lugia and the trio is still limited to a 23 years old non-canon movie and a 18 years old non-canon spin-off game (and it's 3 years old remake). With retrospect, this make sense since Lugia was created to be exclusive to it's movie, and they didn't even bother to tell it's creator that they were adding it into their next game (which was being made at the same time as the movie).
I think the bird trio in Galar are just convergent evolution pokemon mistaken for regional variance and have nothing to do with the original legendary birds much like in the real world where animals evolve to look like crabs but aren't crabs at all.
Interesting theories and video. BUT I SAY THE KANTO VERSION OF THE BIRDS ARE THE ORIGINAL AND THE GALARIAN VARIANT ARE SIMPLY DISTANT DESCENDANTS OF THE ORIGINAL!!!!!
Finally you acknowledge that Lugia isn't the Bird Trio Master. Although , Ho-Oh is still not the Beast Trio Master either, Lugia is part of that Lore but nobody talks about it. Also, Galarian Zapdos can fly, it just is a poor flyer, that is mentioned in its dex, otherwise, how would it migrate outside of Galar which is an Island: As for Motres, it isn't based on the Phoenix, not every Fire Bird is a Phoenix, Moltres is based on the Vermillion Bird from the Chinese Mythology which symbolises the Summer (tho Moltres says Spring). Ho-Oh is indeed based on the Phoenix. The 108 spirits from Thyphlosion doesn't mean any conection to Spiritomb, they just share the same theme, the 108 Evil Spirits from Japanese Folklore, Typhlosion isn't even native to Hisui until Prof Leventon brought one there, so Hisuian Typhlosion couldn't have created or be in the origin of Spiritomb, and yes, Hisuian Typhlosion is indeed unique to Hisui since in its Pokedex, Levemton mentions that it could be the power of Mt Coronet that made Thyplosion take that form, otherwise it would have been a normal Typhlosion since Leventon never saw another form of Typhlosion. Now the question is why Quilava doesn't evolve into Hisuian Typhlosion in the modern age Sinnoh (can't question Samurott or Decidueye cuz they are unobtainable on any Sinnoh based Games... but Typhlosion is).
I think the Galarian Bird Trio come from a different region, maybe Mexican region? Why? Because there doesn’t seem to be any legendary bird references (or even any large fruit trees) in Paldea, also very little suggesting that the legendary birds evolve from regular Pokemon (besides the fact that Kanto and Galarian variants exist)
I kinda wish the Galarian forms had different shiny colour than just being the Kanto versions. I don't mind it but I would like for them to be a bit different. The lore behind the birds is so interesting though..
I believe the kanto are the original where their shiny were first. They lost their shiny, gained the average look that reflects the galaxy shiny, that is where a trio flocked to galar, seen at the first darkest day. They ate from the tree, and so would over time change like the slow poke that ate the galarian fruit and developed spicy tails
The Ruin Pokémon seem like they could be older than just 2000 years ago. They give me ancient Roman or Greek vibes, or even older. I like the theory that Volo has something to do with bringing the treasures to the historical Paldean king
I've always interpreted the dex entries of the Galarian birds to mean that they are really different, unrelated species to the Kantonian birds, but they are just not well understood enough to actually be classified as different species yet. Peony, for example, seems confused by how different they are, so this is clearly not common knowledge. Perhaps this is even an intentional reference to how bird taxonomy has changed through the years. While I'm not sure it applies to the Galarian birds, I don't think the Kantonian bird are "really" legendary Pokemon per se. After all, we can actually multiple of each of them in LGPE. I think they are simply extremely rare and secretive bird Pokemon which wander nomadically across the Pokemon world, which got called Legendary because they are so rarely seen. The same likely applies to the Galarian birds.
I think it’s makes more sense that the fossil Pokémon in the crown tundra where revived from fossils and being released into the crown tundra. as there are not many people living there, Making it less dangerous for the fossil Pokémon be live there.
(sorry I'm late on this video, somehow missed it lol) "the fact that it's a Den, might tie into Galar" - WRONG. Every. Single. Time. The Sea Spirit's Den is originally called 海神の穴, where 穴 = "cave" The Pokémon Raid Dens in Sword/Shield are called ポケモンの巣, where 巣 = "nest" It's never reliable to make connections based on localized names of things. I feel like I've made this kind of comment on many videos over the past years, but seriously, the majority of times these quickly thrown in "connections" just completely break at the outset, by looking up the Japanese names on Bulbapedia. And just to be clear, I don't know Japanese! I simply look up the names and compare unfamiliar symbols and google them xD One does not need to understand or read Japanese to do basic research.
....even more obvious flaw later in the video is of course making the connection of -uno, -dos, -tres with Paldea. Because the birds don't have that as part of their names in ANY other languages (incl. Japanese), except for English.
i much pefer the idea that they are like just from an island of Galar and visit ever now and then than this set of Coincidences but hey at the end of the day its still fun just to have lil theorys anyways
I believe both Articunos are related to Oricorio, sensu Oricorio evolved into Galarian Articuno and eventually Articuno, making them birds of paradise Zapdos is a kingfisher, but Galarian Zapdos is a Kelenken, a terror bird And Moltres is a phoenixthe one on Skeledirde’s snout is a hatchling, and it’s likely more related to Ho-oh, but Galarian Moltres is a Teratorn, making it a relative of Fearow, the Argentavis
I've got a question which i've wondered for a while but could never find an answer for about these birds. We all know moltres is the pokemon version of the phoenix, and zapdos is the pokemon version of the thunderbird, and they both match up with their irl counterparts very well. Even lugia is based off the ryujin sea king, but what myth is articuno based off? Wiki's say its based of the roc but that doesnt seem right, the roc just lives in cold areas, it doesnt create them. I've tried for a while but i just cannot find a bird that summons snow storms in irl mythology Can anyone figure out what would be the irl articuno from real life mythology?
I like this Theory! Just wish that little bird to become its own Pokémon like another Fire/Ghost then have two evolutions, either Evolve to more Fire type and the other one more Ghost lol more Rooster design
I'm not sure I'm fully on board with this theory. Like, the Legendary Brids "transforming"/evolving/mutating from other bird-Pokemon, like how Diancie is a mutation of Carbink, I'm 100% on board with... but the Galarian ones coming from Paldea... and that the Galarian birds in turn would evolve into their Kantonian counterparts when I'm pretty sure it's implied that beyond their appearence and names these Pokemon aren't closely related. That I don't really agree with. Like, I don't think we can look too deep into the Galarian birds appearing in the Open World segments of SwSh and Paldea being completely open world... because in-universe, Kalos would be just as open as either of those regions. Not to mention, the Galarian Birds neither appear nor are they even referenced in Paldea. Nor can I really see the birds they would've allegedly evolved from as realistic, like Skeledirges little bird is fair, although I doubt it'd evolve into a Legendary Pokemon on its own before Skeledirge would, but Senzu-style Oricorio doesn't really have anything in common with Galarian Articuno aside from the general color-scheme and how it holds its wings... and even then Senzu-style Oricorio can't even be found in Paldea, you have to transform it using the honey imported from Alola, not to menion Oricorio itself is mentioned to have been brought over from Alola, so its presence in Paldea is something way more recent. And then Espathra... leaving aside just how different its type and general abilities are from Galarian Zapdos', looking at Flittle I'm not even sure if Espathra is really supposed to be a bird-Pokemon and not just a bird-SHAPED Pokemon. As things stand I'd sooner think they migrated to and from Pokemon-Ireland than Paldea. As mentioned before, if the Kantonian Legendary Birds are really completely unrelated to their Galarian counterparts, then that'd also mean that they would have had to evolve from other bird-Pokemon (or still maybe from the same, so that they at least have a common close ancestor like 2nd grade cousins, but not one from the other). And then to their role as subordinates to Lugia, I'm pretty sure there's some pretty clear material that shows that at least TPC considers them to be connected to Lugia.
But pokemon are named after what they call out so Pikachu is called that because that's what they call out so the new birds have to have called out Articuno/Moltres/Zapdos" to be named otherwise they be named something else.
The other option is that the Legendary Birds are very very rare species of bird pokémon, and the Galarian are the first radiation of the bird trio being the first ones discovered and spread faster than the originals before dying off, and the galarian birds are migrating to Galar and most male birds look different so maybe the galarian bird trio are just males looking for females this can be a reason why they are very aggrieve to each other and why they look so different from the originals
I'm not entirely convinced that the legendary birds aren't really legendary Pokemon just really rare Pokemon that has had enough species of a common ancestor to evolve separately and the only ones left are the ones we see now and the lack of any actual confirmed lore other than the Kanto bird trio might be related to ho-oh and Lugia isn't really enough for me to consider them more than just an exceptionally rare Pokemon and really pokemon of legend. Just my thoughts
Still don't see what the justification is for interpreting the Galarian bird Pokedex entries as "suggesting they're the originals". To me it seems like a clear case of semantics with nonsensical name-origin pokedex entries. 1. It's like reading Sharpedo's Dex entry "it is known as the bully of the sea" and going "oh... it's *known* as the bully.... so it ISN'T actually the bully of the sea????". Reading into it like that seems a bit absurd. 2. We've seen many newer Pokedex entries pretend to give old Pokemon new lore or origins that ignore or even contradict previous dex-entries. They're written as POV of someone who is seeing the Pokemon for the first time. 3. Has the POKEDEX FLAVOR TEXT ever been a reliable source of information about anything? I don't think there's any room for question there. Especially when the exact same source (Pokedex) also clearly assigns the SAME POKEDEX NUMBER to the regular and the Galarian birds, which is something that has NEVER been inaccurate/wrong or retconned. They are the same species, just regional variants of them, like any other.
2:11 dude, that just the in-game explanation of why their names doesn't match their type. Regional forms are stupid af. That's why they are being replaced with convergent ones. Familiar looking pokémon with [pun] names that actually fit the type of that pokémon specie GF didn't give much of a thought to regional forms and that's why they are going 'extinct'
This feels like a lot of conjecture. Fun idea, sure, but I disagree and think your evidence is shoddy at best. For example, the “uno dos tres” thing is only in English, not Japanese (their names in Japanese are literally Freezer, Thunder, Fire, which are English words). And how do we know the Galarian Birds are from outside Galar? The website only says they’re not native to the Crown Tundra. And the biggest thing that you didn’t consider: Galarian Zapdos can only fly short distances. How is it suddenly flying across an entire channel? Oh, and I disagree about Skeledirge’s fire bird. I don’t think it’s its own organism.
Underground tunnels?! I admit this one was a lot looser than normal but just throwing down fun ideas out there ^_^ Though on the last point I think it’s totally possible the bird could becoume its own entity I think Hisuian Typlosion and Spritomb prove that more or less
I’d argue that Spiritomb’s and Typhlosion’s spirits existed before those Pokémon. Spiritomb is the combination of 108 spirits trapped in a keystone, and Typhlosion gathers loose spirits.
The uno, dos, tres argument loses a lot of strength when you see the Japanese names don't have any such reference. Using English names to base theories never ends well 😅
Pokémon evolution to a legendary is an interesting theory. Even more interesting is a legendary devolving from a legendary to a regular Pokémon due to human intervention. Iron Leaves the former legendary.
It is interesting that Scarlet and Violet added a Psychic, Dark, and Fighting type bird (Espathra, Bombirdier, and Flamigo) right after the galarian legendary birds.
Not to mention Paldea has Delibird, Kilowattrel and Talonflame as well for the Kantoean versions too
Espathra is pure psychic..
@@wxo_5057He never said something about Flying Type he said Birds
one thing about the bird situation with skeledirge is that since it's based on the Cuca (from iberian-latinamerican folklore) the evolution may actually be very different from what it may seem
(Cuca is a crocodilian looking lady, have that in mind)
- according to legend, whenever a new Cuca is bound to hatch from an egg, an older and weaker one transforms into a bird that sings it's sorrow
- with that in mind, the crocalor when evolves, turns into the bird, and from the egg that it carries, hatches the croc that we see in skeledirge (seems counter intuitive but crocs hatches from eggs)
so taking that into consideration, depending on Cuca's powers, it could directly transform into a bird (moltres even) depending on it's strength, the ghost typing may be because of the "death" of the older Cuca but it could also be because of the power of the new hatched one
what is cuca? I'm from Mexico and I haven't heard of it ever. maybe it has a different name?
@@--julian_ It's from Brazil
I believe The 3 Galar Birds are more accurately an example of convergent evolution, similar to Toedscruel or Wiglet. People believed them to be a regional variants of the other birds, and named them accordingly.
I believe that the two legendary weather birds, Lugia and Ho'oh, each create in different places at different times, three legendary Pokémon out of deceased Pokémon. That's why though we see ancient versions of the modern legendary beasts, and why there are different bird trinities.
I say this without first watching any of these trio theories, so you might have already talked about this, and I just didn't notice
Honestly that flows pretty well with Pokedex entries and with the baby Lugia from the anime
Maybe each regions ocean/sea is guarded by a lugia and each regions sky is guarded by a Ho-oh. And them in turn make more legendary beasts/birds to help them maintain the weather
Lugia is like, a lizard
From a Pokémon competitive stand point, Ho-oH and Lugia don’t control the weather. Neither hold the ability.
Lugia is my favorite, no hate here.
@@Unifoseumyeah, like a wyvern.
The editing on this was fantastic and the lugia theme in the background is just 😚👌
Enjoy :D Which Trio, duo or quartet should I do next?
Reshiram,Zekrom and Kyurem since we don't get as much focus on them
I'd love to see the Regis. I feel like everybody knows the basics and gist of the legend but not the full story and I'd love to see that
swords of justice
pretty please :D
Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde?
@@gibbsterV agreed, Regis please
I personally choose to believe the Galarian Birds are separate Subspecies or somewhat closely related cousins to the more common birds we see in Kanto, Kalos, and other regions. Due to them happening to have traits that can be interpreted as the powers the three birds had in legend they were designated their names out of sheer coincidence and lack of knowledge. It would appear that Peony himself documented and loaded these three into the Dex after you catch them and he mentions how they match the descriptions in his notes even though the notes may be literal with the elemental powers.
Also Sensu Oricorio doesn’t actually live in Paldea, only Pom-Pom and Baile style do. The purple nectar required to change their form is only found in shops implying the item is imported so this specific Oricorio isn’t actually native to Paldea.
It does say in the Pokédex entry it’s rare but true I haven’t relaised that
@@BirdKeeperToby the spirits make spiritome what if one of the spirits became a pokemon without being put into a keystone
@Bird Keeper Toby why the 🐊 make the 🐦 and what to do so?
Just remember, Lugia was made specifically for the movie so the more that's in the games at the time are minimal.
Please don't quit youtube. You're my favorite poketuber and you make the best content. The community needs you.
He just quit 😂
Thanks for the vid!
Videos like this keep Pokémon lore culture alive
Respect to the editor of this video
👉👈 thanks lol
This is a really cool theory! I'm not too sure about Zapdos/Espathra and Articuno/Oricorio but the torch song bird and Moltres actually seems plausible! Or hell maybe it's an early form of the paldea's new thing in convergent evolution with the three Galarian Birds and the three Original? Kantonian? Birds being like Diglett and Wiglett!
Thanks, for sure the torch bird is the strongest of the 3 ^_^ the other 2 are really loose
I'm very curious if there's an alternate form of Lugia and Ho-oh that are masters of these alternate takes of original legendary trios
Beads of ruin! Really enjoy your videos and thanks for making a new one.
Please don't stop uploading after this year Toby 🙏
This video honestly resonates with me deeply and I can’t place why. It just gets to me on a very deep level I can’t explain or understand. Tragically yet beautifully; truly bittersweet
Omg thank you I’m creating my own fan game and this really helps me with research thank you
Love this video Toby SO well put together
I also want to add that there are 108 worldly desires in Buddhism
The theories are always fun,
This one is a it too much of a stretch for me personally, with the Skeledirge part. But fun all the same.
Given that the Spanish connection of the birds' names isn't present in the original Japanese, I don't think these birds are from Paldea originally.
Before you end your channel this year. You gotta do a tier list of every bird/flying type pokemon.
Loved the last WhatNot stream. Thanks again for the epic Arc Slab!
1st, I do not believe that a lot of the Crown Tundrea is ancient past, rather, a lot of the Fossil Pokemon just got released there and bred there... like Lapras, they are back...
2nd, there are signs that the Raid Dens are actually portals to another dimension... explaining the Ultra Beasts... and also why Nebby was found.
3rd, saying the Galar Birds actually come from Galar is iffy.
Nobody in Galar even knew they f***ing existed but Galar did know of the existence of the (Kanto) Legendary Birds that travel the world... it was like they just appeared... same time as portals to another universe appeared...
For me, I believe that they are just completely different Pokemon from another dimension...
Thanks Toby! Great upload as usual!🏆🏆
I still count the Galarian birds as Paldean paradox Pokemons that were only introduced to us one generation earlier before the concept of paradox forms were familiar to us.
Lugia’s theme playing in the background brought me nothing but bliss
I’m so glad, it’s so nostalgic ^_^
Whoa, new outro.
i like that the originals you gave are all super effective against their new legendary counterpart
espathra could beat zapdos, oricorio could beat arcticuno, and moltres could beat skelidirge
I think it's possible that these three are only a Trio to outsiders. Like they are always seen together so the people of the Pokemon World assume they are related to one another but the reality is that they aren't actually. Without getting into any potential relation to Lugia I think that maybe The Legendary Birds are separate species of Pokemon drawn to similar sources of Power. On your video about Terapagos I brought the idea that Legendary Pokemon are possibly naturally drawn to massive sources of power. Maybe it's like food to them? The fruit of the Dyna Tree are massive and seem to grow feeding off the Max Raid Dens or even the nearby Max Lair making the fruit some kind of physically edible version of the Energy they crave.
In the original Kanto games you find the Three Legendary birds very far from one another and maybe that's some hint to the kind of energy they primarily feed off of. Moltres is found in Victory Road a place where trainers who seek to topple the Elite Four and Become champions of their respective region. Hot blooded battles to prove who can come out on top. Zapdos is found in a Power Plant, kinda self explanatory since it's stated in many Electric-type Pokemon entries that they're naturally attracted to large sources of electricity. But the structure is defunct when we find it so it can't be producing energy so maybe Zapdos feeds off the ambient energy that is left behind from the machines before leaving. And Articuno is found in the Seafoam Islands, a place so far removed from any sort of human interference you could almost consider it a cold dead zone in comparison to it's counterparts. Articuno likely feeds off that empty energy to fuel it's icy powers.
Honestly my evidence is weak but for a tl:dr I'm trying to say that these three might be attracted to "Power Spots." Spots that closely resonate with them in any given region that they can live in like a home. But for the Dyna Tree it's likely that the energy is so enticing to them that they are naturally drawn to it more than the places they would normally go to. And to relate to my above when they do flee to other area's in Galar where do they go? Zapdos has moved to the Wild Area of the main land closest to a massive city. Moltres moved to the Isle of Armor a place where Trainers gather to grow stronger and battle against one another. And Articuno remained in the Crown Tundra isolated from any big Human Settlements. I hope any of this makes sense.
0:29 Ugh, Mystery Dungeon makes it official that Lugia is the Master of the Bird Trio. Also, you have to recruit the 3 legendary birds to have access to Lugia in those games.
Mystery dungeon is not canon to the main games.
@@sb6196 Not canon but OFFICIALLY declared by The Pokemon Company on an actual game. Lugia as the Bird Trio master was never been a fan-made or a fiction made by a troll in a comment section. Everybody could just shrug it off if it is just mentioned in the movie and never again.
@@MegaPaborito Something that happens in a spin-off game doesn't make something officially canon across the board. Unless it's backed up by a main line game, it just mean that it's canon TO THAT GAME'S CONTINUITY. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely the general "head canon" for the majority of fans (myself included), but it's just speculation until a main line game confirms it.
The Bird Trio had no ties to any other Legendary in their game introduction, which make sense due to the only other Legendary being Mewtwo and Mew, but they were also completely missing from the gen 2 games which introduced their supposed "master" Lugia. Even if we take into account the Mystery Dungeon connection from 2005, that connection wasn't followed through when they remade the gen 2 games as HGSS in 2010. It was the perfect opportunity to finally confirms the connection, but Articuno and Zapdos were at/near their usual location in Kanto, while Moltress was in Mt. Silver instead of Victory Road like in Gen 1 Kanto, or Mt. Ember from Gen 3 Kanto.
Unless I missed something, the only official lore connection between Lugia and the trio is still limited to a 23 years old non-canon movie and a 18 years old non-canon spin-off game (and it's 3 years old remake). With retrospect, this make sense since Lugia was created to be exclusive to it's movie, and they didn't even bother to tell it's creator that they were adding it into their next game (which was being made at the same time as the movie).
More amazing content man and this absolutely super interesting!! Quite intriguing if those different Pokémon could’ve become the Galarian birds.
This is awesome.
*Awaken Not the Fury of Muscle, Mind, and Malice*
Would love to get some more lore on the forces of nature quartet!
I think the bird trio in Galar are just convergent evolution pokemon mistaken for regional variance and have nothing to do with the original legendary birds much like in the real world where animals evolve to look like crabs but aren't crabs at all.
Totally possible ^_^
fascinating and unexpected ideas here, leave it to Toby to deliver on that ☆
i love Galarian Moltres so much 💝
Interesting theories and video. BUT I SAY THE KANTO VERSION OF THE BIRDS ARE THE ORIGINAL AND THE GALARIAN VARIANT ARE SIMPLY DISTANT DESCENDANTS OF THE ORIGINAL!!!!!
What I would honestly love, is a future paradox Fire/Water type Skeledirge that could be a robot powered or piloted by the small fire bird.
Finally you acknowledge that Lugia isn't the Bird Trio Master. Although , Ho-Oh is still not the Beast Trio Master either, Lugia is part of that Lore but nobody talks about it.
Also, Galarian Zapdos can fly, it just is a poor flyer, that is mentioned in its dex, otherwise, how would it migrate outside of Galar which is an Island:
As for Motres, it isn't based on the Phoenix, not every Fire Bird is a Phoenix, Moltres is based on the Vermillion Bird from the Chinese Mythology which symbolises the Summer (tho Moltres says Spring). Ho-Oh is indeed based on the Phoenix.
The 108 spirits from Thyphlosion doesn't mean any conection to Spiritomb, they just share the same theme, the 108 Evil Spirits from Japanese Folklore, Typhlosion isn't even native to Hisui until Prof Leventon brought one there, so Hisuian Typhlosion couldn't have created or be in the origin of Spiritomb, and yes, Hisuian Typhlosion is indeed unique to Hisui since in its Pokedex, Levemton mentions that it could be the power of Mt Coronet that made Thyplosion take that form, otherwise it would have been a normal Typhlosion since Leventon never saw another form of Typhlosion. Now the question is why Quilava doesn't evolve into Hisuian Typhlosion in the modern age Sinnoh (can't question Samurott or Decidueye cuz they are unobtainable on any Sinnoh based Games... but Typhlosion is).
Birds are so prevalent in Paldea. I love it
I think the Galarian Bird Trio come from a different region, maybe Mexican region?
Why? Because there doesn’t seem to be any legendary bird references (or even any large fruit trees) in Paldea, also very little suggesting that the legendary birds evolve from regular Pokemon (besides the fact that Kanto and Galarian variants exist)
I almost didn't recognize the background music. It's lugia's song 😍
I kinda wish the Galarian forms had different shiny colour than just being the Kanto versions.
I don't mind it but I would like for them to be a bit different.
The lore behind the birds is so interesting though..
I believe the kanto are the original where their shiny were first. They lost their shiny, gained the average look that reflects the galaxy shiny, that is where a trio flocked to galar, seen at the first darkest day.
They ate from the tree, and so would over time change like the slow poke that ate the galarian fruit and developed spicy tails
The Ruin Pokémon seem like they could be older than just 2000 years ago. They give me ancient Roman or Greek vibes, or even older. I like the theory that Volo has something to do with bringing the treasures to the historical Paldean king
I've always interpreted the dex entries of the Galarian birds to mean that they are really different, unrelated species to the Kantonian birds, but they are just not well understood enough to actually be classified as different species yet. Peony, for example, seems confused by how different they are, so this is clearly not common knowledge. Perhaps this is even an intentional reference to how bird taxonomy has changed through the years.
While I'm not sure it applies to the Galarian birds, I don't think the Kantonian bird are "really" legendary Pokemon per se. After all, we can actually multiple of each of them in LGPE. I think they are simply extremely rare and secretive bird Pokemon which wander nomadically across the Pokemon world, which got called Legendary because they are so rarely seen. The same likely applies to the Galarian birds.
Interesting ideas! I’ve felt actually pretty similarly about the last point. Clearly multiples of each exist
I Never Seen or noticed that Skulluridge had a bird on the front of its face 😂
I think it’s makes more sense that the fossil Pokémon in the crown tundra where revived from fossils and being released into the crown tundra. as there are not many people living there, Making it less dangerous for the fossil Pokémon be live there.
Yeahf for sure, the point is more to just illustrate it's theme as "The land time forgot" they were going for with it
(sorry I'm late on this video, somehow missed it lol)
"the fact that it's a Den, might tie into Galar" - WRONG.
Every. Single. Time.
The Sea Spirit's Den is originally called 海神の穴,
where 穴 = "cave"
The Pokémon Raid Dens in Sword/Shield are called ポケモンの巣,
where 巣 = "nest"
It's never reliable to make connections based on localized names of things.
I feel like I've made this kind of comment on many videos over the past years, but seriously, the majority of times these quickly thrown in "connections" just completely break at the outset, by looking up the Japanese names on Bulbapedia.
And just to be clear, I don't know Japanese! I simply look up the names and compare unfamiliar symbols and google them xD
One does not need to understand or read Japanese to do basic research.
....even more obvious flaw later in the video is of course making the connection of -uno, -dos, -tres with Paldea.
Because the birds don't have that as part of their names in ANY other languages (incl. Japanese), except for English.
i much pefer the idea that they are like just from an island of Galar and visit ever now and then than this set of Coincidences
but hey at the end of the day its still fun just to have lil theorys anyways
I'm not sure about their origins but for me the Galarian Birds are Convergents mons, like Wiglett for Diglett and Toedscool for Tentacool
I believe both Articunos are related to Oricorio, sensu Oricorio evolved into Galarian Articuno and eventually Articuno, making them birds of paradise
Zapdos is a kingfisher, but Galarian Zapdos is a Kelenken, a terror bird
And Moltres is a phoenixthe one on Skeledirde’s snout is a hatchling, and it’s likely more related to Ho-oh, but Galarian Moltres is a Teratorn, making it a relative of Fearow, the Argentavis
they're not paldean... they're galarian. Wheres the proof? until pokemon comes out and says it, they're galarian
I've got a question which i've wondered for a while but could never find an answer for about these birds. We all know moltres is the pokemon version of the phoenix, and zapdos is the pokemon version of the thunderbird, and they both match up with their irl counterparts very well. Even lugia is based off the ryujin sea king, but what myth is articuno based off? Wiki's say its based of the roc but that doesnt seem right, the roc just lives in cold areas, it doesnt create them. I've tried for a while but i just cannot find a bird that summons snow storms in irl mythology
Can anyone figure out what would be the irl articuno from real life mythology?
I like this Theory! Just wish that little bird to become its own Pokémon like another Fire/Ghost then have two evolutions, either Evolve to more Fire type and the other one more Ghost lol more Rooster design
Sameeee
Are you expecting saurian Paradox variants?
Personally my headcannon is that they are paradox forms
Like you a lot, Toby. But this is quite a stretch at best
Noooo!?!? You changed your outro… 😢 just because ash isn’t in the anime anymore doesn’t mean you have to cut him from your outro also… ouch
I'm not sure I'm fully on board with this theory. Like, the Legendary Brids "transforming"/evolving/mutating from other bird-Pokemon, like how Diancie is a mutation of Carbink, I'm 100% on board with... but the Galarian ones coming from Paldea... and that the Galarian birds in turn would evolve into their Kantonian counterparts when I'm pretty sure it's implied that beyond their appearence and names these Pokemon aren't closely related. That I don't really agree with.
Like, I don't think we can look too deep into the Galarian birds appearing in the Open World segments of SwSh and Paldea being completely open world... because in-universe, Kalos would be just as open as either of those regions. Not to mention, the Galarian Birds neither appear nor are they even referenced in Paldea. Nor can I really see the birds they would've allegedly evolved from as realistic, like Skeledirges little bird is fair, although I doubt it'd evolve into a Legendary Pokemon on its own before Skeledirge would, but Senzu-style Oricorio doesn't really have anything in common with Galarian Articuno aside from the general color-scheme and how it holds its wings... and even then Senzu-style Oricorio can't even be found in Paldea, you have to transform it using the honey imported from Alola, not to menion Oricorio itself is mentioned to have been brought over from Alola, so its presence in Paldea is something way more recent. And then Espathra... leaving aside just how different its type and general abilities are from Galarian Zapdos', looking at Flittle I'm not even sure if Espathra is really supposed to be a bird-Pokemon and not just a bird-SHAPED Pokemon. As things stand I'd sooner think they migrated to and from Pokemon-Ireland than Paldea.
As mentioned before, if the Kantonian Legendary Birds are really completely unrelated to their Galarian counterparts, then that'd also mean that they would have had to evolve from other bird-Pokemon (or still maybe from the same, so that they at least have a common close ancestor like 2nd grade cousins, but not one from the other). And then to their role as subordinates to Lugia, I'm pretty sure there's some pretty clear material that shows that at least TPC considers them to be connected to Lugia.
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I need that background music.
I think it’s one of the amazing tracks from Braxton Burks based of course on the movie 2000
The Birds don't have Uno, Dos, and Tres in their names in some other languages (including Japanese).
But pokemon are named after what they call out so Pikachu is called that because that's what they call out
so the new birds have to have called out Articuno/Moltres/Zapdos" to be named otherwise they be named something else.
I'm guessing you changed your outro because Ash in the anime .
The other option is that the Legendary Birds are very very rare species of bird pokémon, and the Galarian are the first radiation of the bird trio being the first ones discovered and spread faster than the originals before dying off, and the galarian birds are migrating to Galar and most male birds look different so maybe the galarian bird trio are just males looking for females this can be a reason why they are very aggrieve to each other and why they look so different from the originals
Its only me or.. The fire bird of Skeledirg is looks the same as fireball bird of gigantimax Cinderace?
It always bothered me that they made 2 Phoenix themed legendary birds with same typing back in gen 1 and 2
I'm not entirely convinced that the legendary birds aren't really legendary Pokemon just really rare Pokemon that has had enough species of a common ancestor to evolve separately and the only ones left are the ones we see now and the lack of any actual confirmed lore other than the Kanto bird trio might be related to ho-oh and Lugia isn't really enough for me to consider them more than just an exceptionally rare Pokemon and really pokemon of legend. Just my thoughts
This video is the biggest stretch I’ve ever seen.
Interesting
Cool theory
Actually Galarian Zapdos *does* fly it just doesn’t like to 😂
What if a pokemon so powerful created spirit animals and maybe even created spirit regular flora everything a spiritifed
So we really gonna act like kangaskhans head matches the skull on cubone??? Interesting..... looks more like a charizard skull to me.
If anything should get a past version that's a dinosaur it's a legendary bird
Still don't see what the justification is for interpreting the Galarian bird Pokedex entries as "suggesting they're the originals".
To me it seems like a clear case of semantics with nonsensical name-origin pokedex entries.
1. It's like reading Sharpedo's Dex entry "it is known as the bully of the sea" and going "oh... it's *known* as the bully.... so it ISN'T actually the bully of the sea????". Reading into it like that seems a bit absurd.
2. We've seen many newer Pokedex entries pretend to give old Pokemon new lore or origins that ignore or even contradict previous dex-entries. They're written as POV of someone who is seeing the Pokemon for the first time.
3. Has the POKEDEX FLAVOR TEXT ever been a reliable source of information about anything?
I don't think there's any room for question there. Especially when the exact same source (Pokedex) also clearly assigns the SAME POKEDEX NUMBER to the regular and the Galarian birds, which is something that has NEVER been inaccurate/wrong or retconned.
They are the same species, just regional variants of them, like any other.
I see you have a new outro video why is that.
Yay
Why crocodile haves a bird be connected a strong bond with birds why has a bird.
These pokemon are not called Articuno, Zapdos, or Moltres in multiple languages, including Japanese, it's not solid evidence to build a theory on
BIRD Keeper pls not 6 months waaah lugia 😢
I think the Kanto versions are better. The Galar forms are just newer and shinier.
2:11 dude, that just the in-game explanation of why their names doesn't match their type.
Regional forms are stupid af. That's why they are being replaced with convergent ones. Familiar looking pokémon with [pun] names that actually fit the type of that pokémon specie
GF didn't give much of a thought to regional forms and that's why they are going 'extinct'
This feels like a lot of conjecture. Fun idea, sure, but I disagree and think your evidence is shoddy at best. For example, the “uno dos tres” thing is only in English, not Japanese (their names in Japanese are literally Freezer, Thunder, Fire, which are English words). And how do we know the Galarian Birds are from outside Galar? The website only says they’re not native to the Crown Tundra.
And the biggest thing that you didn’t consider: Galarian Zapdos can only fly short distances. How is it suddenly flying across an entire channel?
Oh, and I disagree about Skeledirge’s fire bird. I don’t think it’s its own organism.
Underground tunnels?! I admit this one was a lot looser than normal but just throwing down fun ideas out there ^_^
Though on the last point I think it’s totally possible the bird could becoume its own entity I think Hisuian Typlosion and Spritomb prove that more or less
I’d argue that Spiritomb’s and Typhlosion’s spirits existed before those Pokémon. Spiritomb is the combination of 108 spirits trapped in a keystone, and Typhlosion gathers loose spirits.
The uno, dos, tres argument loses a lot of strength when you see the Japanese names don't have any such reference. Using English names to base theories never ends well 😅
Boogio-sucks
This theory sucks
This comment sucks 😜
Pokémon evolution to a legendary is an interesting theory. Even more interesting is a legendary devolving from a legendary to a regular Pokémon due to human intervention. Iron Leaves the former legendary.