Apple saves Zuck with the Vision Pro!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- In this clip, Marques and David discuss the Apple Vision Pro with Hugo Barra!
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I have a pretty accurate answer to the question of why there aren't more native apps for the Vision Pro. I own a pretty reputable VR development studio (Takeaway Reality, shameless plug) and we tried incredibly hard to convince Apple and Unity to give us access to their simulators so that we can develop something for the Vision Pro before it launched. We were always told that "It's coming soon" and then the headset released, and we never got the opportunity to build something. Even now, when the headset has launched, Apple has no program where they would sell us a dev kit in Europe or anything similar. I know other very reputable companies in the industry which have had the same problem. We had to literally send someone to the US to pick up the Vision Pro just to get it. I'm incredibly frustrated by Apple's process, we were all incredibly hyped to build something for the Vision Pro and we just never got the chance because Apple was either too restrictive (or lazy) to just give us access to a Unity plugin (let alone sell us an actual dev kit with the device). I think we're gonna stick with Meta in the longer term, they have their problems, but they do offer a more robust platform and seem to appreciate developers a bit more than Apple in this space.
Arrogance would be their downfall
Is it simply a lack of appreciation, or could it be something else like security related concerns. Having experience with the corporate technology retail space, I am also aware that computers sold in the US are not the same as those in Europe or Asia, and it is NOT just the keyboards and power adapters… US based entities always had to refer clients to an authorized dealer in the specific region requested, if they did not have their own divisions aboard…
Personally, I would never buy this TYPE of product coming from Meta, Google, or Amazon. Who’s knows just how much information they will be able to mine from a user unwittingly giving them access to virtually everything. Even NOW three months in, we have only ever used VP in ONE specific room… If only life’s choices were truly so simple…
When we did have to call AppleCare to solve a relatively minor issue, we took extra precautions to only face a specific blank wall, just in case… The last thing we need, is to have one of these corporations scan everything in our household to complete an incredibly sophisticated visually detailed dossier on our lives and lifestyle…
With great power comes great responsibility…
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You find Apple hard to work with... Are you new to this timeline?
Apple is alpha af. Spits in your face and still people bow down and give them props 😂😂
„It weighs 69 grams“
Marques: Nice
Haha man this is so funny amiright guys
Zack : “Please Please Tim, I will even let you to be on my OnlyFans Premium for free for 1 year!”
Tim : “DEAL”
This is why he gets the big bucks
It seemed like an involuntary response lol
Followed up by a room of straight faces
Sony made the same mistake with the PSVR2. Invested all their money in the hardware but forgot about investing in the developers.
I cannot believe they didn’t figure out how to make it backwards compatible. Absolute madness.
Now they have Horizon OS
Eh VR has let me down over and over again. Nothing compares to half-life alyx in terms of VR gaming. It's not even close. I thought we'd have way more awesome games like that by now, but nah.
It's the Vita all over again. Amazing hardware completely wasted because of a lack of software. God dammit Sony.
@@salifdiarra4906 Yup. Even my old Rift S is an awesome experience and that thing's dated. I thought for sure Valve would publish material on how they crafted such a refined experience, but they never helped other devs do anything.
When Apple cares, everybody cares. Unless Apple prices their device so out of reach that no one can buy it--and we're back to not caring.
The cost of the device reflects how expensive it is to make
@@ryanjackkay The total BOM of the Vision Pro is about $1,400 dollars. That's it.
@@skyscallcan’t tell if u mean “thats it” positively or negatively. Factor in all the other costs of packaging, $100s of million in R&D/employees and it honestly doesn’t make them THAT much profit..for now
Hmmm, I think the world does care. So many videos of it went viral and everybody knows the Vision Pro, even my 70 y.o. parents heard about it and asked me what that thing is. That was not the case with any of the other VR headsets before.
And Apple must have known that only few people will buy the first generation of it. Just like they know that only few people will buy the Mac Pro that starts at $7000 or 8300€ (just looked it up).
They see it more as a proof of concept and PR device, not a product for the masses.
@@skyscall the headset costs to manufacture $1,542, and that doesn't include the costs of research and development that lasted over 10 years, packaging, marketing, shipping. All other Apple products have 3x more profit margin. It is very well priced
I totally forgot the Vision Pro exist still until this video
Yep seem like meta getting the attention with its recent updates
yup same, it kind of just died down
The hype died down, it's just become boring now. That being said when it comes to the UK i can't wait to test it in the Apple Store (and not buy it obvs because pricing)
I forgot all about the Quest models before the AVP’s debut.
It’s not much of a statement that you forgot, for a while, about a product you didn’t buy and don’t plan to - especially if you don’t personally know people who have it.
I haven’t forgotten, but that’s not surprising since I use it daily.
It’s the price. It’s pretty steep for a recreational product. Its not an investment
Him: the battery weighs 69 grams
Marques and the rest of us: nice.
I think the big thing is the price. If it was $1000 or less, more companies might have seen it worth the time and money to make new experiences/apps but at $3500 there is not enough customer to be worth it.
Well yeah, it's basically a really expensive dev kit. With all of the technology in it, it's no surprise it's so expensive. But with each new headset, they will be cheaper and (hopefully) do even more
@@Ryan-tn4gk i keep seeing this that future will be cheaper, but Apple is not really known for cheap prices lol
@@Nighthunt01then maybe the value will go up like the iphone. At first the uses where limited and now the price went up but the value went up more i would say.
Vision Pro is expensive because it's the "pro" version and also because it's targeted at devs, influencers and early adopter enthusiasts, almost like an early access beta. In time they will release a budget and consumer friendly version. Meta did something similar with the Quest Pro (but not as expensive)
@@Nighthunt01 True. But Apple's competitors will absolutely make cheaper devices. My guess the vision 2 will probably be $2000. So cheaper but still expensive for most people. But they want to get down to a glasses like form factor and sell it for around $500-$600. That's going to take years. Just like the first home computers were super expensive back then but eventually it will become cheaper, and now most people can buy a computer today. This is just the first generation
As a dev in Vision pro, the problem right now is Apple is kinda hiding new apps from the store which is making it super hard for new apps to reach in front of users. Apple hasn't update their storefront at all, only few apps get picked per week and its extremely hard you'll be the one in their picks.
Whats your app called?
@@moccamixer Pulse3D - Share Spatial Photos
That’s gotta be insanely frustrating. I’ve found the same problem with finding apps for my Watch Ultra 2. Just finding myself shocked you can’t browse ALL apps somehow, only a weirdly out of date, limited selection picked by Apple. So lame!
@@moccamixer Pulse3D
@@drewtabke3294 so true... That's almost same with even Meta Quest headset, they've limited apps allowed into their Quest store. While tens of thousands of apps are left aside in "App labs"
FINALY!! Thank you for bringing in a guest
There is so much real industry information in this clip, I should owe The Studio real money. Great content team, keep it up 🤙
The end of this video is the real highlight lmao
Quest 3 is cool, I use it for daily productivity with some 3D printed mods to make it slimmer and lighter. The 2 things I absolutely HATE is that it outlines your hands when you’re in pass through mode. This is more distracting than anything for fast movements or catching something someone throws at you. Really disorienting actually. And the second is the distortion of your view when you have elements close and far. It seems like it wants to reconstruct your environment in 3D but it actively bends and distorts objects. This straight up needs to be turned off. It actually sucks.
Edit: Yes I know these are minor issues but, that’s how products get better. Company thinks a is better than b while the consumer base thinks that b is better than a. That’s normal. And those are just my personal grievances which vary person to person.
You just mentioned two of the things that bug me the most about videos of people using the Quest.
If I didn’t decide to stick with the AVP, those kinds of things would’ve just made me have no headset at all instead of settling for the Quest.
I’m not doubting the usefulness you’ve gotten from it. But I am cutting my teeth in the AVP and won’t consider such awful pass through or …I cannot recall the word - “occlusion”?
I guess I’d wait for the tech to mature and maybe get cheaper, getting something in the middle or down the road.
As it stands, I’m all-in on the AVP.
The hands higlighting is because 'dynamic occlusion' still hasnt been implemented on a os level. They have shown it working so its only a matter of time. Thats the last feature that apple vision really has on the q3 imo. The distortion you see is a trade off they choose its because q3 recreates the passthrough environment to be depth correct. AVP isnt depth correct and has some warping when you turn you turn your head. In short q3 is better for judging where you tv is or a drink to pick up or walking around, AVP is better for seeing your hands and sitting down still.
@@westmcgee9320 You both are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Such minor issues lol
@@matKilla9801 not really.
I don’t care for multiple elements of a product and so I mentioned a couple and that I wouldn’t use it.
If you loved the design of the Quest 3 and thought that a reason for YOU to buy it, I wouldn’t say you’re putting too much weight on that (flip side of “the mountain”).
It’s your money. You can get whatever you want for whatever reason you want.
If you were advising OTHERS, that’d be a different story.
I have worn the VP for hours on multiple occasions, what little discomfort I perceived in the beginning is certainly NOT present NOW… Also NOT experiencing any disorienting nor distracting effects of any kind thus far… Read an article about VP being used in actual surgery rooms…
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Amazing that you have Hugo Barra on your podcast. MKBHD is the real deal
The humane pin catching strays at the end is insane
Awesome interview!!! The ending was perfect 😂😂😂
My friends, we ARE rushing to build apps!!! It is extra hard to make a valuable item. Even though they provide some affordances, it is still super fresh as a platform. We didn’t have access to dev until dev days started but that was only a few months before release! A few days and simulator, people are cooking right now but it takes extra time to make good content for this.
The major problem with development is you have to use your hands and eyes for input. Even then Apple's Vision Pro headset is still too slow for input, and you can forget about input support from multiple hands, and fingers. There is a reason why every other VR platform comes with two hand controllers. Each hand controller comes with multiple buttons, thumbstick, and touchpad for inputs. It's why those other platforms can have games like Population One (VR fortnite like game), Onward (a VR call of duty like game), and many others. Those hand controllers give users a way to input multiple events simultaneously and rapidly. That is completely missing from Apple's Vision Pro platform right now. Not to mention Apple needs to drop all the glass on the outside, because it makes it too fragile, and adds to the overall expense of this device. That outside display is only used to show someone else your eyes, but even then it is too dim. Seeing the outside eyes is really a stupid idea. Clearly this is a first gen product.
Never liked VR went into Apple store to try Vision Pro walked out bought a meta quest 3 and haven’t looked back since love it
That’s exactly the point - it took you apple to buy you the meta. Meta has always been in the game.
More like never tried vr so I don't think I like until I tried one for myself
Why had you not wanted to purchase one before until you tried the VP…
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@@superzero4250 because there is literally no where to try a VR headset outside of Apple
@@ZeroCrazy how Meta somehow missed that simple marketing technique… APPLE benefits the world yet again.
I guess APPLE does save Zuck with VISION PRO…
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Marques was holding his finger up like Doctor Strange on Endgame🤣
A fully tethered device is what I want. Either to MacBook, iPad Pro or iPhone pro. To use it as extra big virtual screen. It doesn’t need to use local processing, it could be using tethered device processing to work. If it works with iPhone - it will be pretty much mobile and game changer. Much less heat produced much lower cost, much lower weight. Speakers not needed either. Make people use device speakers or earphones.
Bigscreen vr!??
@@growtocycle6992 big screen ar and vr. For work or media consumption.
@@growtocycle6992 I think trying to replicate oculus was a mistake. Majority of users want a tethered experience - waiting to use it in tandem with computer rather as a separate device which will never work well as long as the size, weight and usability is an issue
Removing the battery from the HMD without wireless power is a waste of effort the cable kills immersion every time. Put it on the back of the head.
You can't move the heat away from the SoC's even if the battery moves
Apple is pretty distinctly not chasing immersion, which is why they have the whole reality dial and push for AR, so it seems like a very easy win as something to remove where immersion isn't that stated goal.
To be clear, I totally agree with your reasoning, I just don't think it's where Apple is going with it.
@@Vanit1 I think it's likely the pro model sticks with external wired batteries, but I can imagine a world where their consumer/cheaper model does find a way to make a small battery part of the HMD maybe in the strap itself with optional expansion (or it ends up using a users iPhone as a combined compute and power puck)
@@DavenBigelow Yeah that's true, hard to predict what they have in mind so I can't argue with that.
As an VP user, the cable is NOT an issue nor a big deal at all…
I simply slide it inside my shirt, down my back, into either a pant pocket or a leather iPhone holster clipped to my belt that I bought for eight bucks specifically for the battery… After using VP almost everyday for hours the past couple of months, I experience very little discomfort beyond the occasional repositioning of the device…
The immersion is amazing, especially since the clouds or water moves, and the Spatial Audio sounds enhance the experience. The Moonscape though has nothing, but I only use it when watching Sci-Fi movies… I use to hate watching 3D content, now I can’t get enough of it, and rewatched quite a few movies making for a whole new experience…
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@superzero4250 I don't think you're being as mobile as my kids and I are on our Quests
No matter how I've used a cable, even overhead hanging cable, it's been twisting and tangling around my neck, and it'd probably kill my kid who is jumping and spinning around constantly when he plays
I do use BOBO battery packs to hot swap and extend playtime for up to 5 to 6 hours straight, before my legs are too tired to keep playing
For AR, I really think CAD programs and diagnostic apps (like for vehicles) would be great, practical applications for VisionPro. I see commercial applications and viewing the VisionPro, and other future headsets, as tools and not just a personal entertainment devices as the way to push the industry forward
Vision Pro Devkits were highly restricted, often requiring at least two in-person visits to the Developer Center to test against real hardware before you were allowed to get one.
PianoVision isn't on the Apple Vision Pro simply because the tracking the SDK exposes isn't good enough. (This is due to the fact that piano keys are very glossy and it's adding a lot of noise to the active sensors) The keyboard overlay was floating all over the place. This isn't speculation btw, the developer talked about it the public PianoVision Discord server.
Apple hadn’t made the Vision Pro world wide you could import the 250gb model to Australia and use it if you create a new US Apple ID but it cost $6399 that is insane. No wonder it hasn’t taken off.
In US or AUS currency…
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Could it be that the fees are too high that developers dont feel it's worth making for Apple?
I own a dev studio, its the lack of support and lack of access to the most basic tools to build anything that was the problem.
@@marioramic4501 I see. So Apple really is a closed system. Not just for repair and spare parts, even for 3rd party software
Got it.
Piano Vision would be outstanding! I've always wanted to learn how to play piano and my AVP would be the perfect at-home-learning option.
I heart the internet pin thing outro. Bless its heart. Almost there. I do like the idea of an interpreter pin.
Funny he mentioned that as piano vision is THE reason I went with quest (tho price was also a big factor). I wanted that specific type of app and I wouldn't even be able to connect midi cable to Vision headset, which basically disqualifies it for me. In the future I would probably prefer no-latancy connection to MacBook for AR monitors when FOV and resolutions get better so hopefully moving forward the will allow you to connect via cable as there are so many uses for such port. Vision is no doubt superior on quality and software side of things - quest's software is quite bare bones, buggy, but it has the apps so I can actually use it...
most likely it will be on vision pro this year...most will be announced on Wwdc
Strada
I really like what purpose Strada used the Vision Pro for - pulling focus in a film shoot. It really shows what the future can be with these devices.
Ben’s Gadgets
Ben really made some good points on the pricing of the Vision Pro as well as what Apple could do to improve it, including lowering the price.
Super interesting video. Never even thought about headset plugged into the phone.
What was that?! At 8:28 animal noises.
Good to see Hugo here!
It is not surprising that devs are not flodding the device with cool apps. Developing for Apple in general is a huge pain, the only reason people put up with it is because the iPhone is so widely adopted. The Vision Pro has a tiny installed base. Add a 3,500 price tag so you can play around with the device and say goodbye to indie developers.
I think he made a great point about the tether. The future very well may be the iPhone as the Vision compute device for the masses.
It is a Vision Pro. I wonder if they will make a vision SE or a Vision.
Seeing vision Pro failure is satisfying.. sometimes too much success gave these big giants too much of power on us.
If the Apple Vision Pro is a failure then the original iPhone and the original iPad are failures….
It’s VHS vs Betamax. When one clear winner rises above convincingly, the app developers will jump on board.
Great poadcast and analysis !
Where’s the full episode link 😭
1st minute is spot on. This is why I follow Margues.
Muito feliz em ver o Hugo Barra no podcast! Não lembrava que ele estava no projeto Oculus. Ele é muito talentoso e espero ver mais dele no futuro! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
I sort of forgot about Vision Pro till I saw this upload 😂
The biggest thing that Apple Inc. can do now is a Dolby Atmos speaker set for Logic Pro X. That alone will start a wave of immersive video and audio for Vision users.
So how long until I can dual-boot an AVP and launch Horizon OS on it??
One thing I’m wondering your guys’ take on would be how Vision Pro does NOT run Mac apps. To me, it seems crazy that they would build the OS off of iOS instead of OS X if they actually want it to eventually act like a real computer. iPads can be fine for grandparent computing, but I just don’t see how a mobile operating system could ever be good enough to do more complex computing.
That outro was gold. I'm glad at least Humane were adults about it.
Apple Vision Pro is the most impactful device I’ve owned. I wish more people could experience it.
Did you ever try the quest 3 ? I found them very similar . The sound was ever better on the quest 3. That higher definition on vision though does make the limited things that are on their magical. Small difference but does make a big impact but not worth price difference for most people
the quality of vision pro is great, but if you can't do much with it then the price is not worth it
I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple was already working on a new GarageBand for vision that can help you learn instruments and stuff
Not Marques apologetically wearing the Ai pin lol
That bell in the beginning is really loud 😬😬😬😧🫨
AVP got me interested in VR and I've bought 3 Meta Quest headsets since then. (A Quest 3 first for me, another 2 Quest 2s for family use)
Move the entire computation system to the connected block, and make exchangeable and it extendable.
Strip it all down for something like an Apple Vision instead of an Apple Vision Pro makes sense but then it’s just a stronger argument to get the quest three. And let me just add that my brother has been on the VR train for like the last eight years and finally convinced me to get a quest three And WOW. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who isn’t into VR, I was blown away. Now that I know about that piano app that’s the next thing I’m getting. he was also bugging me for the last two months to get on a game called pop one and I resisted yesterday. Literal game changer lol. Using your hands to actually climb the walls and the way you have to load the weapons and just being in a VR environment it’s just so immersive. Glad I made that jump.
Honestly as amazing as the tech is, even from the times of rumors everyone knew this would be so expensive and out of the regular consumers’ reach. Why should developers rush to make apps? They probably wanna take the time to understand the best way to use Vision Pro, then pay and give so much time to create a good app.
"Nice." lol
VR headsets should use a tethered Gorget (neck collar). It would have a compute/battery element that hangs across the collarbone, an equally heavy element that hang just behind the neck, and then flexible rubber pads that link both things over the shoulders, wide enough that it doesn't actually touch your neck at all, and held in place by its own weight when in most body positions. I think people would find this much more functional and comfortable than a little belt-pack.
Nah man
Hold up... I use the speakers on my Quest 3 all the time.
1:38 incorrect… VR still has *potential* to be cool. just not quite there yet. Hopefully in my lifetime we will get fully immersive VR with smells perfect visuals some to be able to physically feel... basically just have all of the main five senses be good enough and it's hard to differentiate between whats real
I think developers are just fed up of paying the 30% apple fee. Developers make the product better, but Apple thinks that their products are doing the developers a favor. But it's a harmonious relationship.
unfortunately, other platforms also charge the same 30%, some higher
A staggering 47.5% on Meta
You are right, now that the precedent is set, I hope side loading, fee reducing to 10% and other stores comes to PS5 and Xbox as well! 🎉
There is no reputable developer who knows very well what Apple has built for him/her thinks of this 30% as much. Your claim is based on 2 or 3 big companies and may be 10s of indie developers against hundreds of thousands of developers who truly appreciate App Store Connect brings to us: a true amazing store with ads as needed, powerful StoreKit, robust synchronization iCloudKit, Xcode Cloud, Push Notifications, and many many more. Some of these have cost beyond a certain limit - but for many sole developers and start ups - that’s more than an annual fee of 100$ and 30%. (BTW, all these are available on Google Play and using Firebase paid tiers. It is the same if not even more!)
It isn’t, the Apple tax is the lowest of any platform. The issue is the AVP has nothing new to offer anyone and developers would prefer to stick with traditional iOS apps
I agree on -board audio needs to go away. Have really good wireless connection.. imo (minority) even a 3.5mm jack and let people have their audio as good or bad as they want. PSVR2 already established this and ppl complained like crazy for some reason so maybe it wouldn't go well, but I think it's a much better choice than bulky speakers that are mid or small and bad and are heard by anyone else in the room
Who is this gentleman and where I can find more about him?
the ending was so fire bro had to shat on that human ai pin 1 more time
i absolutely love my Quest 3!
5 years from now. Rayband smartglasses on your face with a cord to your pocket that costs $10,000.
MKBHD’s new favorite word: “Hot Take”…just FYI
A VR headset powered by your phone would be really cool and would help make VR/AR way cheaper and more accessible
Google had a few cardboard vr goggles and there have been a few limited run smartphone VR products.
Samsung did this many years ago with the Gear VR. It was ok for its time.
Haha no
@@SooksVIi think the idea here is not to slot the phone in a lens array like GearVR was doing, but instead move battery and compute into your pocket, and have the actual headset as a "dumb" screen + sensor combo. Kinda like suggested in the video.
That way, you keep the weight and heat off of your face, while enabling higher resolution and FoV than phones can typically provide.
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He was not talking about your phone being the VR device, having a VR device connected and powered by your phone is the idea
I’d love to have a Vision Pro but can’t justify it at this stage. But I’d absolutely run out and buy a cheaper, more lightweight version that requires another Apple device to be connected so it basically serves to power it as a display without needing its own battery or high end processors. I suspect that Apple’s plan is to just skip that phase though and keep this platform as a standalone that can interface with the others though.
My thing is that it’s so ambitious without taking the price into consideration. It should 100% be a companion VR set. The brick could have more of the computing power and let people upgrade that and basically make the AVP the screen. Or yes let me plug it into my MacBook Pro and implement it into my editing workflow. But $1000-$1500 price point is what it needs to hit. Should be the same price as a iPad Pro but with the features of an iPad Air. Like I don’t need it to be its own thing. I just want it to be a great addition and I think that’s where they fumbled the bag.
I think an inexpensive (well, compared to Apple) goggle that work well in cars/trains would be very useful. I.e., using the device and not get a headache.
69 grams
Marques: nice
Us: He is a dawg!!
Magical 300 grams? That is what fueled Rick James for years.
What does this mean? "Watch full episode: tk"
This show should have more guest!!
More guests..more perspectives and "ahhhh i didnt think about it that way moments "..cough cough the Joe Rogan of tech
I totally disagree with Barra. Apple Vision is ever going to be a stand alone computer, rather than just a screen, in which case it might as well just be Apple Glass.
It really showed how Meta is putting out a good product for a good price, and also gives incentive for Meta to up their game. It’s the best thing for the consumer all around.
It's not just that developers don't care about it or don't have the tools to do it. It's many folds. For big fishes the user base is too small to spend any real effort on it. And currently the only category that works on VR is gaming, period. But Apple just don't really want that by not including controller and not even admitting it as a VR headset. How do you imagine beat saber would work on VP?
Every keeps forgetting this is the first Apple product targeted at Enterprise progressing in the future to consumer vs consumer then to enterprise.
Few reasons why i'm not building apps for Vision Pro:
1. Small market, Vision Pro is extremely expensive not many people can afford it
2. Lately apple started playing unfairly, they ask devs to build apps then roll out their version pre-installed with iOS. There's no way anyone can compete with platform which pre-install apps and controls app store search algorithm. This practice will kill many small startups (examples: journal, reminder, fitness+, freestyle)
3. Apple charges crazy fees. Investing time into R&D, design, developing, testing, marketing product and paying 30% just for trying to upload to app store looks like a ripoff. Better option is to build web app and keep 100% of the profit.
To your first point; that is the difference between pioneers or visionaries, and followers or tourists…
To the second and third points; The other market app stores are not that different. It’s a bit like having your products in a Costco versus your own store. Sure you get to keep more of your profit. However, you are not going to get the exposure that being in a Costco provides. The membership model alone means a different type of clientele versus a WalMart…
Also, realize that you are complaining about a company that practically pioneered the market space that made all of it possible. Desktop Computing, legitimate Music Downloading, Podcasting, and Online AppStores… What did the landscape look like before APPLE got involved with any of those market sectors…
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Sounds like an opportunity for an enterprising app developer to get in early and win huge amounts of market share due to lack of competition. If you make a good app, why WOULDNT they want to promote it and get their cut of the sales? They likely have people scouring the new releases looking for things to promote on their new platform.
as a dev , I don't give apple a shit too , most important is 3 and apple also charge way more then others for a developer account
@@superzero4250Apple didn't pioneer the app store. Steam, windows marketplace and club Nokia existed before the apple app store.
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I would not attribute apple with being visionary here, Meta and Microsoft had headsets for years.
The Costco membership analogy is not quite accurate, the better one would be: You buy membership and try to sell a product. You cannot set a selling price but must select from a price tear Costco strongly recommends. In addition Costco uses its payment system to sell the product and requires to use same system for any transactions inside of the product and charge 30% on all transactions indefinitely. Meanwhile your product is placed on the shelf in the farthest corner and you must either pay Costco to advertise it or to advertise with your own money. In addition to all of that, Costco occasionally builds products that could be competitors to your and ships them for free to all members... also Costco dictates what features your product can have, if for some reason they deem that you don't comply they will cancel your membership, kick your product out and lock your factories. (Epic Games found that the hard way)
Again I kindly would disagree with your interpretation, there was desktop computing and music downloading before apple got involved. Also apple did not invented MacOS / iOS / iPadOS they're based on Unix operation system. They created an excellent ecosystem but on top of many existing products. And no i don't feel I'm obliged to build ecosystem for a company, if it doesn't benefit me, even if they pioneered the marked space.
7:48 broke free from your programming there Marquez
I know Im late to the party here but my opinion here is the eagle air strike is best strike... It dose more damage then the 500 to larger targets is more user friendly since it's spread across a winder area and you get an extra call in per re-arm... I personally consider the eagle air strike a mandatory pick V bugs OR bots
hugo. what phone(s) does he carry?
You should never doubt Apple lol
The most humane ending to a Zuck vs Apple debate ;-)
Competition is good for us, consumers. Dont care if you are a Zuck boy or an Apple boy, having a big player like apple in VR means everyone else will have to keep getting better.
This is my favorite group of nerds on the planet.
Considering Apple has priced itself out of most household’s, this is my most game developers or devs probably have decided not to make apps for a device that is going to have a very small footprint not everyone has 1000+ dollars to spend on electronics that might not even be able to process or produce anything of good qualities that people want and what I mean is you have to have a good balance in price which activates a good market and that market can grow as well as the developers can see profitability since there’s no profitability since the markets very low that’s probably why most application developers decided not to make anything on the Vision Pro plus they might be waiting to see how many people actually buy 1000+ dollar device but from my standpoint they’re gonna have to do a revision and make it cheaper. I don’t care if it’s Apple they have to make a balance in the market for them to actually find a grasp that everyone’s just gonna throw money at them just because they’re Apple, you have to have a common balance between performance and price the price it’s just too far out there
The sense of physical space these headsets generate is astonishing. For specific examples, play Thrill of the Fight VR or Vader Immortal VR. You don't feel like you are watching a boxing ring or spaceship on a screen but are INSIDE an actual boxing ring or spaceship! Most people that play just those games I bet will 'get it' that the core premise of VR/MR is going to be huge. Maybe the most influential tech innovation of the 21st century. Maybe of all time. There are a lot of problems with this tech currently though. Which is why they haven't really 'crossed the chasm' from early adopters to mass mainstream adoption. The headset form factor and general ergonomics are the main problem. They are heavy, uncomfortable, with awful battery life, have a 'tunnel' like too narrow field of view, look strange in public, and most of the apps for them now are gimmicky games only.
Definitely agree devs aren’t really sure what to do in a lot of cases. Think back to the early iPhone App Store there was junk on there like a carlsberg app that let you pretend to drink a beer, some lighter simulator app as well, 300 fart soundboards etc.
There’s also possibly a big leap in skills needed to dev and app that exists in 3D space vs just a flat app on a screen - only really 3D game devs would have relevant experience I guess?
Zuck dont say that tim never did anything for you
I just realized Hugo Barra is brazilian. Good for you, man.
Good for him? Its not like he has a choice
@@garretreed9709 I meant that it's great he became very successful in big tech, not many stories like that. Try using your brain next time.
@@arthurcuesta6041 oh I understood it just the phrasing of original comment COULD cause some to misunderstand your original comment to mean "good for him (Hugo) for being Brazilian. Originally you didn't mention the successful part. Thanks for clarifying nonetheless. but true
You can’t compete with the eco-system. I bought the apple vision pro because it synchs perfectly with my mac and phone
It doesn’t feel like they try to make the best product possible. It feels like they try to make the worst product possible people will still buy.
Huh? What you said, made no sense what so ever. I love my Vision Pro and use it daily.
And u guys safe Vision Pro from disappearing on the internet 😂
Omg Hugo! It's been a while!
how many times do women wear clothes that don't have pockets? Question for the boys: where do the ladies put the battery?
Same thing kinda happened with the IPhone 15 Pro game development……They thought game developers would just drop the games on it quick……nope it’s been a slow trickle and actually has stopped and there’s no new announcements of games at all. Developers aren’t willing to risk it.
How can your put the compute into the brick? Your pocket would just overheat it. Apple should buy that company that make those ultra thin solid state fan components.
I can't believe i met hugo barra when he was working at xiaomi!
Waiting for Google to enter the room.