CrossOVER no more?? Birth of the CrossUNDER! | First posture cue
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- In this episode: Why the term crossUNDER is a better description than crossOVER for skating in hockey. Why I want to master the crossover, what’s in it for you & the first cue of the series - Crosby Crevice.
What’s the difference between the crossUNDER and OVER ➡️ • What's the difference?...
Follow along with me as I journey towards mastering the hockey crossover / crossunder. This series will include mechanics breakdowns and analyses of the best NHLers in the world. In due time we will get into
How to crossover like Connor Mcdavid
How to crossover like Nathan Mackinnon
How to crossunder like Mat Barzal
and more…
Every episode will include at least one new cue to get me that much closer to crossover mastery. By following along you will not only get an in-depth understanding of how the best NHL players crossover, you will also get valuable cue’s that you can apply to your game and/or coach to others.
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Introduction - 0:00
CrossUNDER vs OVER: 1st Reason - 0:20
2nd Reason - 1:34
3rd Reason - 3:10
Why the crossunder & what's in it for you! - 4:01
Cue (Crevice) - 5:21
My crossunder's - 6:31
Conclusion - 7:11
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This is great, he is sponsoring the crossunder
Been doing this since the 90s's when we broke down Pavel Bure's stride. Pushing off on the heels makesit feel like you're almost hop-running to build speed
Ahead of the times, love it! Thanks for sharing.
Pavel Bure - the Russian Rocket! That's a throwback and man that guy could move!
This is a wonderful break down of a video. It’s definitely a good way to look at things, your weight is absolutely on the leg that’s crossing “under” and the lighter leg is just put into place in order to get the inside leg to where it needs to be. This makes sense as you are leading into the centerline and letting the body lead to where your weight and legs need to be. Lots of lateral strength work, Thanks 🤙🏼
Well, now things start to make sense for me! I felt so akward doing big steps!!
I one hundred percent agree that the name Cross over put my focus in the wrong part of the mechanic.
Love the breakdown. Flow is also immaculate
My guy! Thanks
lol speaking of the flow - is it just me or does dude look like he could be a Hughes brother? Quinn, Jack, and now Luke. Look out you might get drafted by the Devils!!
The thing I find helpfull is pushing thru big toe with both legs and utilizes rockering on blade. Also fast short carioca drill helps a lot to get the rhythm.
Thanks so much for this video. I'm a BIG guy like 320 lbs (145 kg). But I wanted to learn hockey both to lose the weight and to do something I've always wanted. Upon learning to skate/play everyone talks about crossovers and with these tree-trunk legs I find them extremely difficult. I'm starting (after 1.5 years) to get comfortable on my edges (although I'm not sure my edges like the fact that they have to support such a big dude :D) but I've noticed if I cross-under vs. cross-over, not only can I complete the maneuver but also it helps my stride and turns. Words matter because they help us understand how to do things. I appreciate you putting this into context and making me feel more sure I'm doing the right thing. Now to try to skate as fast as McJesus :O
P.S. If you could find a guy who's 320/145 and could skate as fast as McDavid, any NHL team would want him just for the possibility of playing the body alone or getting to the front of the net to screen the goalie. Imagine the biggest Defens(c)ive lineman in football, think Suh or for you oldies Sapp, on skates coming at you at 25 mph (40 kph) lol that would be freaking TERRIFYING!!
FOREHAND SIDE!! YES God that's the hardest to do. Talk about losing an edge OVER and OVER again. And then trying to get confidence and "trust your edges"??!!
That would be terrifying lol
Oh yes, the forehand side.... I made another video on "correcting my forehand side imbalance" that you might find helpful. Although, in all fairness it's not corrected, but better! It's normal to have a stronger and weaker side, as long as you are comfortable and have the option to go both ways.
The clip at 210 is a perfect visualization. Iv always had trouble with cross overs so I’m definitely gonna try to focus more on the cross under. Iv just been focusing on getting the other foot over.
Bro this isn’t a real thing. Also if you struggle with a normal cross over you can forget learning anything else on ice
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What’s the difference between a CrossUNDER vs OVER ➡️ th-cam.com/video/v1HEe6kASFs/w-d-xo.html
Jason Yee completely changed the game bro.
so interesting well done buddy
Thank you Doobz!
Laura Stamm calls this the x push
it's not a crossunder. its just that the strongest push is by the inside leg. you start accelerating with inside leg as you can generate "torque" much more efficient with it than with outside leg.
I agree. And it's more efficient pushing on the outside edge of the inside foot because your weight is more centered over the edge that you are putting your power into. And if you really need maximum acceleration, you shorten your stride. Then your center of gravity and weight are even more over your cutting edge. Whereas with a crossOVER you have to lengthen your stride and as you do there is less weight and more angle over the cutting edge so it's not as efficient.
@@ricks.9984falling to the centre is a terrible habit. You need to effectively push with the outside edge on the inside leg.
wow best skating youtuber by far
Thanks Alex! Really appreciate the compliment. Glad you’re liking the content.
What I notice in the clips you've shown is that every stride, strength is put in and through the foot into the ice. There's no weak stride or half stride. For those of us who are learning the crossover, or skating in general, we'll favor our dominant foot and push off that one while we glide on the other until the strong foot gets back into a pushing position.
In these clips, the cross under transitions into a cross over into a cross under, etc.
For sure the best players are very balanced on both feet. That being said even the best have a preferred side. Thanks for sharing!
I think you’re confusing gravity and momentum with a “powerful push”. not a problem, that’s an easy thing to confuse. McDavid is not as strong as Eichel, yet McDavid is faster and less injrury prone.
Some great video's on your channel! 🙌Thanks for sharing!🙏I am the same as you I struggle with the cross-under going one direction. 30 seasons and counting and still trying to master it. Perhaps reframing it as cross under will help me.
I am also curious about another piece of terminology: you said you "the forehand side" is your weaker side. Why is it called the forehand side?
Thanks Robert! Let me know how it goes!
I thought forehand and backhand side was the generally accepted language but maybe not!
I think the easy explanation for the difference would be to think of a turn. If you’re a lefty turning to your left your backhand is to the middle ie backhand side. The opposite would be true for turning to the right.
But now that I’m trying to explain it… it is a little confusing hahaha
You can also refer to each side by either the knob side or blade side. If you image standing with your stick parallel to the ground. The side where the knob is facing would be the knob side and vice versa.
So the forehand side would be the knob side in that case
Hopefully that makes sense.
Amen!!!! I tell this to my Learn To Play and Squirt kids all the time
Amazing! I’m sure you’re seeing the results.
Thanks for the breakdown, looking forward to the next episode ;)
Have you been able to pinpoint what might be causing technique breakdown after 2-3 crossunders performed in sequence similarly to your own example @ 4:25? Ie the first few ones are solid, but then the underfoot starts sliding?
I think it’s a combination of a lot of things. If I look back to that clip, I had poor y angle (my skate was fully upright), my weight stayed at my toe the whole time, that’s probably why it looked really choppy plus my hands were all over the place. Also after a few reps I got uncomfortable and placed my crossunder foot in front of my body and glided similar to the foot positioning on a turn.
@@TheDownhillSkater "after a few reps I got uncomfortable and placed my crossunder foot in front of my body and glided" - I coach kids and see this a lot, so it peaked my interest - what is so different about crossovers in sequence that forces this 'reset' of sorts?
Also speaking of the crossunder foot - how far in front of the body should it land optimally?
@@S0larW1nd One thing that may contribute to that glide reset, is to try to maintain the arc of the circle. So if they're crossing around a circle and they feel like they are going a little too wide, then they might go from a crossunder to a turn to try to stay on the path of the circle. I would probably say that was the case with my clip.
As per how far in front should the crossunder foot land, you really want to plant it right under your body, under your hips. In the video I said it was the front foot but that's not always the case. Where the crossunder foot lands is not necessarily related to where the crossover foot is. It's really about planting it under your body, so in some situations it may even plant behind the crossover foot. That may be hard to visualize, but I have some good examples that I'll include in my crossunder compilation.
If you have instagram send me a message and I'll send some examples
@@TheDownhillSkater I don't have instagram, my wife does. I suggested email but these messages get deleted on youtube it seems. let me ping you on instagram using my wife's account :)
It's funny, I was thinking about this, if you're skating backwards, still a cross under.
Yup, still a crossunder! The outside edge foot will crossunder the inside edge foot.
It looks like they're doing crossovers to me
I don’t quite understand, is the cross under a replacement for a crossover, an alternate method to crossover (if so when should it be used), or is it an addition to the technique of a typical crossover. I would really appreciate if you responded and I think your videos are great.
Hey Ollie, I appreciate the question. The crossunder is one a part of the classic crossover that has always been taught, whereas one foot crosses over and the other crosses under. So in reality there is no difference in the movement itself, it is more of a language distinction. Most people call the entire movement a crossover whereas I call it a crossunder for the reasons mentioned in the video. Of course, there is nothing wrong with calling it a crossover and that is the widely accepted name for the movement. I hope that helps!
@@TheDownhillSkater it does very much, also when we watch McDavid, in some clips he seems to favour a cross under vs a crossover e.g. in the Mastercard video, how and when should I mimick this?
Mcdavid usually favours the crossunder. I’ll have to do a video on drills to improve your crossunder but for now If you have instagram send me a dm and I get send you some tips.
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@@TheDownhillSkater I’m in Pointe-Claire my man. I go to shinny at Pierrefonds every now and then
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where should weight be on the foot during cross under? middle blade front or rear? I have mine mid and exit on toe, it feels like I do it a bit choppy though.
Experiment with different landings, what feels best for you, but the direction is always from the back to the front, ending on the toe (for speed).
The further back you start the greater the effect of the rocker.
So rear to toe is typically where you want to be.
Hope that helps!
@@TheDownhillSkater Thanks I will keep that in mind.
Imagine going to sportplex pierrefonds
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In Russian перебежка
100 percent of all referees have been skating this way for a long time. It’s more efficient than the old skooool cross over. It’s why a fat old beer league ref can keep up with a 16U team. That plus he probably doesn’t care.
Love it! Thanks for the insight. Refs definitely don’t get enough appreciation
@@TheDownhillSkater No worries! Most of the guys in my area were thought how to skate by figure skaters. Similar need for efficiency.
This is something that has gone too far. These are still cross overs but the leg that is staying in the ice is staying a little bit longer and flicking of the ice with the toe. Stop gaslighting this technique. These are still cross overs. One foot is going over the other. If your a fast player then you fast… that’s simply it.
Andrew cogliano is one of the fastest players and uses normal crossovers just like every one else. The reason people make these videos is number one these players are good and number two they’re crossovers only look different because there taking extremely small ones..
I think the cross over is just too slow
It definitely can especially if you’re exaggerated the crossover motion. Good observation!
Lol wtf its all cross overs dude. U r just making shit up hahha wild