Also wild that Douglas Murray was already a public intellectual in 2009. I was only finishing high school that year and had no idea who he was at the time.
the fact that this debate (israel-gaza) is still relevant to this day goes to show ho hamas should have been handled years ago, and what israel is doing now is long overdue. hamas is now more embedded within the civilian population and civilian casualties are higher as a result
No. The fact that it's still relevant today even in spite of the developments of Hamas and other Palestinian changes shows you that the fault is with the side that has not changed.... Israel
@@timothydebono2825 Well for one, the codification of Hamas as the official government of the Gaza Strip didn't occur until their split with Fatah in 2012, three years after this debate took place. The Gaza strip has seen changes of government, valiant attempts by Palestinians to actually build up their infrastructure in the past two decades, but the Israeli policy of 'mowing the lawn' continues. They have remained the persecuting monolith for the past half century and even longer. "what israel is doing now is long overdue" The fact that you say this is truly sickening. The slaughter of more than 20,000 women and children is 'long overdue'? People like you are the reason the western world has such a poor reputation and one of hypocrisy when it comes to the upholding of so called 'human rights' among the other nations of the globe.
You can't make it up! I certainly don't associate all Muslims to propogating terrorism however folk like this guy here represent & promote architypical extreme Islamist behaviour & simply refuse to condemn the Palestinian attacks & the abhorrent crimes that jihadist's, Hamas & other terrorist organization's commit. They never ever call out the blatant disregard for life.
@@theoutlaw5806 Exactly. Douglas Murray was quick to call Irgun and Lehi terrorist organizations too but the professor didn’t reciprocate by calling Hamas terrorists
This video is proof in 2024 that the Isreali Palestinian conflict will never end.i may not be around by 2070,but I need someone to update me on this issue in 2070 by replying to this comment.
I'm just looking at Douglas at the beginning of this video, I can see how angry he is. The continual misrepresentation of Israel brings the fire out in Douglas.
😂 “A mouses life is as important as a humans life” If I take a mouse hostage from her home I could get her to agree to all my sick demands and still feel no guilt 😅
@@booth2710Yeah, but your argument is contingent on the people living in Gaza electing Hamas, even though the majority of people currently in Gaza didn't.
@@gman4074 I'm not quite sure what you mean. The reason Rantzen's quote here is so funny is because it also means, "If I were God I would ban myself." The only reason people believe in God is because of religion.
@@joewarhurst5646 I can't believe there are people in the world who think Einstein believed in a creator God. Einstein's God is not a deist, it is a simile. He meant it is like a God created the heavens above. Much like a person may say it is like God made your cat. Right? Such a perfect and beautiful thing of astounding perfection and wonder. If you know, you know.
Israel's civilian-to-combat ratio is 1.3 civilians for every combat killed. The average civilian and combatant ratio is between eight and nine civilians for every combat killed. This is disproportionate but not in the direction that you are arguing! Israel has been disproportionately careful not to kill civilians.
Let me just say this at the end of the day I’m not for violence I do not like people attacking each other over bullshit. The one thing I will say is I think it’s interesting how when people look at the situation now it’s currently going on they don’t take into the fact that this has been going on for sometime, so now that Israel is actually fighting back now all of a sudden they are the enemy when they’ve been putting up with this shit for fucking far too long I mean the fact that this was a debate in 2009 which is almost 20 years old shows that people standing with Palestine are ridiculousbecause when you’re constantly beaten and abused for years and then you decide you know what fuck this shit I’m fighting back and you fight back now all of a sudden you’re the bad guy. This is the reason why I can’t have a debate with anybody on this topic in modern day because a lot of them don’t care about what happened in the past they’re only looking at what’s going on.
Love or loathe him, Murray intellectually destroys typical liberal, uninformed & illigitimate claims of nothing but sheer insufferable left leaning snowflakes like you. Hitchens is another fool spouting nonsense, pandering to terrorism of their own kind & can't see the forest for the tree's. Israel wiil NOT pander to no one. Nothing or nobody quite like Murray to call out the BS of left principles who play the victim card and refuse to acknowledge terrorism and propagate anti seimitism, it's absolutely dispicable.
Wild this conversation is 14 years ago and sounds current
Muslims have been slaughtering Jews since 627AD.
It will still be current 14 years from now
Also wild that Douglas Murray was already a public intellectual in 2009. I was only finishing high school that year and had no idea who he was at the time.
Blokes face in the audience 45:27, red patch on his jumper.....he is LOVING it!
the fact that this debate (israel-gaza) is still relevant to this day goes to show ho hamas should have been handled years ago, and what israel is doing now is long overdue. hamas is now more embedded within the civilian population and civilian casualties are higher as a result
We the west like to talk about the hard issues but we do nothing about them and let the rot take over
No. The fact that it's still relevant today even in spite of the developments of Hamas and other Palestinian changes shows you that the fault is with the side that has not changed.... Israel
@@nanashi7779 what are the developments of Hamas and the other Palestinian changes?
@@timothydebono2825 Well for one, the codification of Hamas as the official government of the Gaza Strip didn't occur until their split with Fatah in 2012, three years after this debate took place. The Gaza strip has seen changes of government, valiant attempts by Palestinians to actually build up their infrastructure in the past two decades, but the Israeli policy of 'mowing the lawn' continues. They have remained the persecuting monolith for the past half century and even longer.
"what israel is doing now is long overdue"
The fact that you say this is truly sickening. The slaughter of more than 20,000 women and children is 'long overdue'? People like you are the reason the western world has such a poor reputation and one of hypocrisy when it comes to the upholding of so called 'human rights' among the other nations of the globe.
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"If I were God I'd drown you all." Esther Rantzen.
An evil woman.
Muslim historian: I don’t agree with Hamas
Also Muslim historian: vehemently defending Hamas😂😂😂
You can't make it up! I certainly don't associate all Muslims to propogating terrorism however folk like this guy here represent & promote architypical extreme Islamist behaviour & simply refuse to condemn the Palestinian attacks & the abhorrent crimes that jihadist's, Hamas & other terrorist organization's commit. They never ever call out the blatant disregard for life.
@@theoutlaw5806 Exactly. Douglas Murray was quick to call Irgun and Lehi terrorist organizations too but the professor didn’t reciprocate by calling Hamas terrorists
God forbid Esther is ever attacked and chooses to defend herself politically
Why does Douglas Murray say 'The Gaza' and 'The Hamas'?
This video is proof in 2024 that the Isreali Palestinian conflict will never end.i may not be around by 2070,but I need someone to update me on this issue in 2070 by replying to this comment.
Hitchens face at 45:28 is tremendous.
12:18 "41 years of occupation" I take it he didn't consider Egypt an occupier.
Those are fellow Muslim,that doesn't count, only when Jews do it
I'm just looking at Douglas at the beginning of this video, I can see how angry he is. The continual misrepresentation of Israel brings the fire out in Douglas.
😂 “A mouses life is as important as a humans life”
If I take a mouse hostage from her home I could get her to agree to all my sick demands and still feel no guilt 😅
The Palestinians are always the victims, constantly firing missiles, etc. Then, when Israel reacts, they are awful mean bullies.
44:43 the kids at the background feel uncomfortable about the topic 😂😂
History repeating itself.
They had their say when they voted for Hamas knowing full well what their intention is
Hamas did not win a majority and half of the population of Gaza wasn't born then
@@ravenmusic6392 Reardles off that. Hamas intention was always the same ...
@@booth2710Yeah, but your argument is contingent on the people living in Gaza electing Hamas, even though the majority of people currently in Gaza didn't.
@@Hyperpandas yes because there's never been another election since
@booth2710 Which further undermines your argument.
"If I were God I would ban religion." Esther Rantzen.
Brilliant. Utterly brilliant. One of the funniest things I've ever heard a person say.
To bad because their not fighting over religion they fighting over land.
@@gman4074 I'm not quite sure what you mean. The reason Rantzen's quote here is so funny is because it also means, "If I were God I would ban myself." The only reason people believe in God is because of religion.
@@Steven-ze2zk Not quite true is it... You can believe in God and not be religious. Einstein for example... It's called Deism.
@@joewarhurst5646 I can't believe there are people in the world who think Einstein believed in a creator God. Einstein's God is not a deist, it is a simile. He meant it is like a God created the heavens above. Much like a person may say it is like God made your cat. Right? Such a perfect and beautiful thing of astounding perfection and wonder.
If you know, you know.
You should probably get out more.
''if i were god, i would banne religion'' wow lady is so deep. she speak without saying nothing of value...
Keep telling truth murray
By truth, do you mean, truth…
@@yington Truth is demonstrable.
I’m with Hitchens on the Israel topic! Standing up for Israel in a humane way ❤
I love Douglas Murray
Very similar to watching a session of Parliament- A room full of Liars...
11:52 sick of root cause arguments….
Copy and paste debate, I hear identical things being now
Israel's civilian-to-combat ratio is 1.3 civilians for every combat killed. The average civilian and combatant ratio is between eight and nine civilians for every combat killed. This is disproportionate but not in the direction that you are arguing! Israel has been disproportionately careful not to kill civilians.
Let me just say this at the end of the day I’m not for violence I do not like people attacking each other over bullshit. The one thing I will say is I think it’s interesting how when people look at the situation now it’s currently going on they don’t take into the fact that this has been going on for sometime, so now that Israel is actually fighting back now all of a sudden they are the enemy when they’ve been putting up with this shit for fucking far too long I mean the fact that this was a debate in 2009 which is almost 20 years old shows that people standing with Palestine are ridiculousbecause when you’re constantly beaten and abused for years and then you decide you know what fuck this shit I’m fighting back and you fight back now all of a sudden you’re the bad guy. This is the reason why I can’t have a debate with anybody on this topic in modern day because a lot of them don’t care about what happened in the past they’re only looking at what’s going on.
Dr. Taj, another example of a person in a position who should be deported
Esther Rantzen impersonating God ........what a train wreck of a person.
Dear esther, you are not God😂
😢all religion a con
Douglas Murray is such an insufferable neocon lmao
19:00 makes it clear which side his bagel is buttered
Love or loathe him, Murray intellectually destroys typical liberal, uninformed & illigitimate claims of nothing but sheer insufferable left leaning snowflakes like you.
Hitchens is another fool spouting nonsense, pandering to terrorism of their own kind & can't see the forest for the tree's. Israel wiil NOT pander to no one. Nothing or nobody quite like Murray to call out the BS of left principles who play the victim card and refuse to acknowledge terrorism and propagate anti seimitism, it's absolutely dispicable.
@@theoutlaw5806 Zionist disinformation and propaganda is not truth
Jeal
Good old religion....
Rubbish
Prove this pls with algebra
@@yington n = ?
7th warlord to blame
WARNING - This program really deteriorates during the last segment!.
just like the world