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Fun story: When I went to see the movie at the theater, they accidentally played it with the wrong dub. After about 30 minutes of the audience shouting in frustration, the theater staff apologized, restarted the movie from the beginning, and offered everyone a free ticket for any future movie of their choice. I used my free ticket to watch the same movie again.
Why am I in the boat of "I'd watch it derped up first, the version I didn't expect to see, but if I got a free ticket, I'd just come back next time to watch the one I wanted to in the firs tplace?"
I went to see Oppenheimer but a storm knocked out the power and the showing was canceled. They gave everyone free tickets to come back and I used my ticket to go see Across the Spiderverse
The studio should give anyone who has watched this film a free ticket to the the next one, seeing as this one was incomplete (there is no third act nor any pay off for any of the set up).
21:25 fun fact. The number 42 also is relevant to Miles Morales’s first comic book appearance as the lottery ball that got him into Brooklyn Visions academy was also Number 42.
One of my favorite things about watching this movie is looking for all the tiny nuances in Miles' life that prove he is who Destiny wants him to be an Miguel is completely wrong about him.
Fun Fact: Spencer Wan, one of the animators for the film, used spam emails he received as background textures for Hobie Brown's animation throughout the film.
I'm still convinced this "canon event" thing isn't real, or nearly as important as portrayed, and Miguel is either misinterpreting what happened, or was duped, and was only saved from the ravages of that universe collapsing BECAUSE he didn't belong.
I think by replacing himself, no action was taken to investigate his death, which led to that universe collider incident not being stopped in time, which led to collapse. You can see it in Phavitrs dimension, it’s not the officer who is the cause of sinkhole, it’s the collider.
Also, he's an hypocrite : he calls Miles "the original anomaly", when in actuallity, HE is ! It's HIS transdimensional experiments that collapsed that dimension, HE's the one that's been tampering with all the other Spidermen's dimensions, priming them up for non-canon interventions, HE is calling the shots, and then complaining about them being taken ! Sure, the super Collideintron from Miles' dimension did some more damage, but it all started with HIM...
It might even go one step further; perhaps his messing with canon events in a dimension is what destabilised the spiderverse to where it is now. With all the different versions there are, I do not find it likely none of them ever found a workaround to an issue that was considered a canon event. The avoiding thereof might even what made some of them possible to exist in the first place. But Miguel, I think, said he kept interfering with those moments and I believe he broke too many which put a strain on the spiderverse as a whole. The holographic display does show that the breaking of these events would affect every universe, not just the one it occurs in.
I absolutely love the Spot because he’s the first “scientist turned into a monster during experiment gone wrong” character who actually ACTS like a scientist. He’s constantly experimenting and picking apart the broader applications of his powers over the course of the movie. And unlike every other supervillain (who usually just tolerates having a kryptonite) when he realises he can run out of holes, he quickly brainstorms a way to get rid of the weakness by recreating the accident that transformed him on a much larger scale. He's far from the joke everyone sees him as.
I agree. I like how he’s treated as a joke by pretty much everyone. And Gwen called him a “villain of the week.” But he eventually become an actual threat.
I get what you're saying, but let's not allow the quality of Morbius have us forget that the titular character did just about all those things you listed. Once he's off that boat, he spends the majority of the second act being a scientist by timing himself after blood consumption and even experimenting to see what he's now capable of.
23:40 A fun fact about this part: originally the cliffhanger was a little earlier, it was going to be when Prowler Miles puts his fist next to "our" Miles, and then end abruptly there. But when they showed this ending to test audiences, they apparently "got very angry", thus the decision to show Gwen gathering her team, and Miles ripping the glove, got added during the last few months of production to make the cliffhanger more hopeful. (Source is a BTS video that was released a while back.)
I think the slower part towards the beginning with Miles, his parents, and Gwen deserve so much love. For one, the scene where Miles is invisible and basically looking Gwen in the face as she says she’ll never see Miles again, reminded me so much of the moment in A Christmas Carol (Jim Carrey one). Doug, you know what I’m talking about because the way you talk about that scene always stuck with me. The hanging upside down scene with Miles and Gwen is beautiful and perfect. 10/10 moment. And the scenes with Miles talking with his mom make me emotional every time as someone who’s mom has died. And that’s the part of the movie that people think is the weakest.
Funny too, as I was personally looking forward to Mile's mother getting more to do compared to the first film being more him and his father, and it did not disappoint in that regard. Now it's gonna all come together for both of them at the end.
@@king_supreme1102 Side note that i want to share...ugh...I can't believe this movie managed to squeeze in some woke points too. Although it isn't surprising. Obviously still fantastic movie. ✌
Fun fact: Jason Schwartzman who plays the Spot is the cousin of Nicolas cage who plays Spiderman noir. Schwartzman's mother is Talia Shire who is the sister of Godfather director Francis Ford Coppola and Cage's father is Coppola's brother. Why do I bring this up? Because even if Cage is not in a sequel to one of his movies he somehow still is.
Now I kinda wanna see the 'canon event' conflict in other stories. Like, Future Trunks shows up in Super Broly and he's like "no, Broly's supposed to be a generic doomsday villain with no personality" and everyone else is like "screw that noise" It can also apply to Batman Beyond and 2018 She-Ra
Another Fun Fact: Miguel O'Hara's theme music resembles the opening theme from Spider-Man Unlimited (1999), which was originally supposed to be a Spider-Man 2099 series, but was reworked after the release of Batman Beyond (1999).
Miles and Gwen’s relationship was great. I really like when they’re talking while sitting upside down on the building, and when they’re at the rooftop party
It’s the infinite multiverse. The only correct answer is at least ONE “Spider-Lee!” And there’s a Spider Ben AND Spider aunt May IN THE MOVIE (scene with a bunch of spiders) so no “old people can’t Spider-Man” allowed! I can’t even imagine his combat quips. They’d be hilarious
Another small thing I love in this movie is when Spot starts out, you can see circles like someone starting a sketch and over time he loses them like he’s becoming more detailed.
While he is not involved with the film, The Spectacular Spider-Man creator Greg Weisman suggested that *the version of Spectacular Spider-Man who cameos in the film is not the same one from the show (but an alternate self), but different universe to the main Spectacular universe; pointing out that the show's Peter would not be on Miguel's side.*
In a livestreamed interview, Josh Keaton had a theory that Captain Stacy died at some point after the original series ended, and that his death is what would've led to Peter joining up with Miguel and his Spider-Society. Miguel would've told Peter about the Spider-Man Canon Events and that all the tragedies he's suffered throughout his life were part of some greater purpose. After losing another father figure in his life, Josh believed that a young and impressionable Spider-Man would've believed anything to make himself feel better and started looking up to Miguel O'Hara as his new mentor. Honestly, that theory just makes me think Spider-Society really is a cult.
You know what my favorite part of Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is? In Miles' dorm room, to the left of the window, you can see a newspaper with a picture of Daisy Johnson/Quake from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that references when she was on the run during Season 4. Someone put that in the background as an easter egg, maybe because they were a fan of the show. This huge movie gave Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. more respect and recognition with that little inclusion than the mainline MCU ever did.
Especially when that show is better than all of the Disney+ shows that Marvel Studios has made. For me, it’s up there with Daredevil, especially Season 4.
@@Phanthief95 Side note that i want to share...ugh...I can't believe this movie managed to squeeze in some woke points too. Although it isn't surprising. Obviously still fantastic movie. ✌
@@tufflucal4037 Yeah I sighed about three times for those woke things, I can't even bear to buy Insomniac's Spidey 2 because it's just pandering mess thanks to Sweet Baby Inc.
There's multiple canon events. An uncle dying (uncle Ben, uncle Aaron), Gwen dying ect... the one Miles is trying to stop is "a cop close to spiderman's real identity dies". That's why during that scene they show the death of Gwen's father from the Amazing Spider Man movies, or why Gwen feared for the death of her father who's a cop, and why him quiting was her realizing their fate wasn't written in stone (nor in canon events).
The other cannon event is the chief of police dies. [Like the original Captain Stacy, Gwen's father, in the Spider-Man comicsv So even though he already lost his uncle, his father is chief of police- that's why he is fighting for his dad and that's why its so potent when Gwen's father says he quit. He took himself out of the way without understanding the whole situation.]
man the whole build up of Miles realizing he's in the wrong universe was such a masterpiece of tension and build up, catching every little hint like his mom's eyes are green, knowing about comic con, the off colours, the music build up. You could feel the dread growing in the theatre when watching it with other people as everyone starts catching on
Also the Foam Party joke is a holdover from Into the Spiderverse. When Miles’s dad is driving him to school during the start of the movie his dad points it out.
One of the many things that I find so satisfying about how the Spiderverse movies have been written is that so much of what was written (in terms of themes for characters) in the first movie pays off in the second movie. When Miles and Peter interact for the first time the color pallet from his Spider-sense shifts from green and purple (the Prowler's colors) to red and blue (Spiderman's colors) this insignificant detail at the time becomes an intracule part of Across The Spiderverse where Miles and by extension the audience finds out that he wasn't supposed to be Spiderman- he was supposed to be the Prowler which is mind blowing because it was all there, Miles' Theme (in the soundtrack) is the Prowler's theme in revers. All of this is RIGHT there for us pick apart and is crafted in a way that when you find out about all of these things it just clicks together. You just don't see this type of writing anymore when it comes to entertainment. Very rarely do writers set these small things up that pay off later on- usually they'll just forget about it and when asked just go "haha yea I forgot about it, originally we were gonna do this but it got cut and we just left it, my bad!" but Spiderverse doesn't do that every detail has a reason for being and it's why I love this movie so much.
Doug mentions Mumbatten and says, how am I following this when it's so chaotic. MANY MANY MANY MANY iterations. That shot alone of them warping through the market and running along the balcony went thru so many version! The team I was on did a LOT of those shots...and there were things like, the color of the bannisters and making sure neither of them ever cross anything too similar to them over time. Literally every frame in this movie was meticulously art directed!
I have a theory, I think the reason it's so easy to follow everything is a) the character colors always deviate them from the background, making it easier to find them and b) because the actions is always in the center of the frame. Fury Road did something similar where every action beat begins in the same location on the screen as where the last one left off. Here, if you simply stared at the center of the screen, you'd be able to see the focal point of the action. This gives you brain more time to go over the finer details because you're not scouring the frame to find said focal point.
The one complaint I had for this film is kept feeling like the film was going to end the music builds and it keeps going, music builds you think it is going to fade to black, it keeps going.
I personally would’ve preferred it ending on the shot where prowler hits “miles” (the bag) and cuts straight to black, leaving audiences guessing whether or not he survived. Also, another flaw about the film is that if a person just decides not to become a police captain, does that mean no wreckage to the canon will happen? Gwen’s father stepped down and he’s still alive.
@@SilverPlayer2002 I think it should have ended at the point you see the small group of Spider people assembled ready to go save Miles then Fade to Black. Also to answer your question I think there is no impact.
Dougs canon events in multiverse are Bat Credit Car, Cat in the Hat, Son of the Mask, North, Freddy Got Fingered, Doug show, etc Here are some other fun facts you might have missed 1. The Spot was not originally the film's main antagonist, being dismissed at first by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller when producer Avi Arad suggested using him, but this changed after the potential of his powers was discussed. Yes that Avi Arad the man who ruined both Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 2. The film's majn poster itself is foreshadowing those who will remain loyal to Miguel are on the left while those who will rebel to join Miles are on the right. 3. The Spider-Society only gives Miles a day pass to stop him from glitching. The only other person with a day pass is Mayday Peter B.'s toddler daughter Peter B. even says he "didn't know they made that for adults." 4. Earth-13122 the Lego universe is the same universe from Lego Marvel Super Heroes (2013) and Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2 (2017). 5. The fifth Sony film nominated for the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, after Surf's Up (2007), The Pirates! Band of Misfits (2012), Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse (2018), and The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) only Into the Spider-Verse has won. 6. The Spider-Sense reverb from the first film occurs between Miles and Spider-Byte and is noticeably the only instance that this happens between Miles and another member of the Spider-Society. This hints at her defection to Gwen's team after Miguel exiles her in the film's ending. 7. At run time of 1 hour Jessica Drew tells Miles that he has 1 hour to fix the problem he caused (within the plot). Credits roll 1 hour 10 minutes after this dialogue occurs. 8. The classic Spidey web pattern briefly appears when Miguel unmasks himself. 9. In theatre release there are actually two different versions that were released. The differences don't include differences in major plot points rather subtle animation differences and dialogue differences. 10. Spider-Punk is an alternative universe mixture of both Spider-Man and the original Prowler. The original Hobie Brown was the first Prowler a petty thief turned hero after being redeemed by Spider-Man. Aaron Davis would become the Prowler of the Ultimate Marvel Universe in 2011. 11. The Marvel Database wiki gave the Sony's Spider-Man Universe the unofficial placeholder universe designation of Earth-TRN688. In this film the SSU is given the designation of Earth-688. 12. Things you can see in Miles's room on Earth-42 that aren't in Earth 1610 A design of the prowler's glove next to Miles drawing board, a book on free climbing on the book shelf, a speed bag next to the door and a Muy Thai trophy in the hall
My favorite Easter egg: Miguel refers to the MCU as Earth-199999, the official(I think?) designation for that universe. Where as the MCU keeps referring to its own universe as Earth-616, which is the main comic book universe.
"Earth-13122 the Lego universe is the same universe from Lego Marvel Super Heroes (2013) and Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2 (2017)." Possibly anyways. I say that due to certain reasons.
One of the biggest reasons why you're able to follow the action SO well is because the team utilized a stylization technique done by another director you might know, Wes Anderson; that is, all of the important information of any given scene is kept at the center of the screen so your eye doesn't lose focus. He's by no means the one to pioneer this, afaik, but he is the one that popularized and refined it, and that filming ethos bleeds into this film so unabashedly. Whereas Wes Anderson uses the negative space of a scene for building atmosphere and capturing a mood, almost like a painting or a picture, Across the Spider-Verse uses that empty space to its fullest potential at the film's highest moments, making sure that the main character is center frame, while everyone not in focus heads to the side; they treat each frame like a panel of a comic book. Then later flips back to traditional shots when the film slows down...and even then, most of its still centered. It's how they can fill every frame with so much information, while still being coherent. Try it next time you're watching the film (this isn't just for Doug, you at home can try this too), REALLY concentrate on how much your eyes are moving throughout. You could probably count on one hand the amount of times you'll be looking either to the left or the right. As you said, it really is an absolutely amazing use of layout and composition, and was clearly done by someone who's a master of cinematography.
Something interesting that I read is that what makes Miguel wrong in this situation isn’t because he’s a jerk about it or that he’s lying. It’s because he is unknowingly making the same mistake that Spider-Man made in the very beginning, he’s letting something bad happen without doing anything about it, just like Peter Parker originally did when he could have stopped the criminal who was gonna be responsible for uncle Ben’s death. This is what Miguel doesn’t realize that no spider man would consciously make if they knew it would happen, canon event or not.
Fun fact about this movie, it actually holds the world record for the longest animated film. I love how they almost created a Mandela effect. Like how there were so many good scenes that some theater showed different versions, at least until DVD/Blue-ray was release. I do wish they had kept the scene where Gwen it’s panicking while looking for Miles under the rubble instead of just replacing it with silence. Before it’s obviously confirmed that he was all right, she’s thinking she’s reliving to what happened to her Peter.
Not to be that guy, but I think the record for longest animated film actually goes to The Tragedy of Man (2011) and its whopping 2 hour and 40 minutes runtime.
@@GUILLE832 I'll up your one guy and be that second guy. Across isn't the longest animated movie in the world. But it is the longest *Western* animated movie.
I remember being bummed that they removed the dialogue Gwen had in that scene when it went to streaming. Though I guess they removed it as they felt the dialogue and animation didn’t mesh well. Think like the infamous “Get Back Here Shocker” scene from the 1994 Spider-Man series.
Definitely agree with you on the ending. It's super rare these days to see such a sheer cliffhanger. Feels more like the end of a movie part than the end of the second movie in a trilogy. Easily my favorite Easter Egg from this movie is the Quake article on Miles' bedroom wall from Marvel's Agents of SHIELD of all things. Clearly someone who worked on this movie is a big Quake fan and it was incredible to find this after the fact even if it ended up fueling the fire for the disappointment that was Secret Invasion
And I don’t get why many people weren’t big on the cliffhanger. It’s not like other times when films ended on cliffhangers setting up another movie which didn’t happen. This one does have another film in production and will come out.
One thing I really like (among many, admittedly) is that for all their differences both the Spot and Miguel are basically coming at Miles with the same complaint: "These are the rules of a Spider-Man film, why aren't you sticking to them?" Miguel has his 'canon', the rules by which every adaption of Spider-Man has clung to, which audiences were getting tired of even when we were only on the Andrew Garfield films. And when Spot says he should be Miles' nemesis because of how connected they are he'd be absolutely right in literally any other Spider-Man film, which all bent over backwards to connect Doc Ock, Sandman, Lizard, Electro to Spidey (hell even in the original comics the reveal of Norman Osbourne as Green Goblin was divisive amongst the writers because it was yet another villain who had some personal connection to Peter). The Spider-Verse films aren't just stories that happen to have Spider-Man in them, they're stories *about* Spider-Man, its why they work so well
10:31 I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Foam Party was mentioned in the first movie, where Miles’ dad is driving him to school and is bantering with him, making a nice touch an even nicer touch
19:09 That's another thing, Spider-Man Noir a.k.a. Nicolas Cage isn't in this movie. In fact, half of the Spider-Characters that they introduced in Into the Spiderverse don't get any lines or screen time. Lily Tomlin as Aunt May, Kathryn Hahn as Doc Ock, John Mulaney as Peter Porker and Kimoko Glenn as Peni Parker has a scene that's so short that I completely forgot she was even there until I watched the film a second time.
A 42 Fact: The number 42 features prominently in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) and this film. Peter Ramsey attributes it as an homage to baseball legend Jackie Robinson as 42 was the jersey number he made famous in his historical career. To quote Ramsey : "Forty-two was Jackie Robinson's jersey number for the Brooklyn Dodgers. He was a barrier-smashing Black superhero in baseball, and [Miles is a] color-smashing Black superhero in Spider-Man comics"
I love all the little details they put into this film, it's so cool! One I picked up on is when Miles and his parents are with the guidance counsellor, Rio snaps her fingers so he pays attention and not only is the motion of the snap done like a comic book style, but if you pause the film, the lines make up the flag of Puerto Rico, a nod to his heritage. Also Spiderpunk's animation frame rate differs from the other characters, with poses changing every third frame and each separate element of him, his jacket, his guitar, having their own different frame rate. This makes sense because as Hobie says, he hates consistency.
I love the gwen saying goodbye to miles, and you think she knows he's there,but she's just seeing his home in the distance, a really great little changing your expectations.
The ending to this movie is actually amazing. Miles just looks so done as he faces down his Prowler counterpart. Miguel and his team search for Miles trying desperately to stop him from keeping his dad alive. Meanwhile Gwen completes her story arc and assembles her own team. And there in the background of all of this looms our true enemy The Spot. Waiting to fulfill his destiny. It’s an ending. But also a beginning. But also a cliffhanger. It feels satisfying to stop here. But also disappointing as I want more. It’s just so good.
I doubt it was intentional, but every time I started feeling a sensory overload coming on, the movie slowed down juuuust enough for me to catch my breath before jumping into the next bit of action.
About the tragic canon event. If I’m not mistaken the 1994 animated Spider-Man series had a version of Spider-Man, from the madam web arc, who was able to save their uncle Ben and he was still alive. That Peter Parker was known as the best, because he stopped his canon event. Of course I could be remembering wrong.
Calling it now, instead of Jeff, its Rio that gets killed. No one would see that coming, and it would rip Miles heart out after their last conversation.
I noticed the cake thing in theaters. I fully expected them to pull out a 'Have your cake and eat it too' reference, especially since they are setting Miles up to take The Third Option.
Something I find simultaneously brilliant and frustrating is how Miguel doesn't understand why his world fell apart and how he DIDN'T break a Canon Event to do it. The Canon Event he thinks he broke was the death of that universe's version of himself... but that isn't the case at all. The other him's death still happened. It's the fact Miguel got careless and something specific he did in that universe is what destroyed it. In fact, deep down, I wouldn't be surprised if he knows this, but, the grief of losing all he cared about and the guilt of knowing he's the cause of it made him go into denial and he's using the Canon Events to justify himself and hide from the guilt, to the point he's convinced himself he was and never is in the wrong. Also, I love that, for the Lego Spider-Man universe, they just reused the audio from the first Tobey Maguire movie when it came to Jonah😂 And Spot blaming Miles for his becoming Spot is just ignoring his own blame. HE'S the one who chose to get some extra dark matter when it was obvious to everyone else to get out once the Spiders started fighting the villains. Spot caused all his own problems and just wants to blame Miles because that's easier
"Also, I love that, for the Lego Spider-Man universe, they just reused the audio from the first Tobey Maguire movie when it came to Jonah" I'm pretty sure they actually got J.K. Simmons.
I think it’s a good sequel, but I love Spider Man: Into the Spiderverse more because it was more focused, and I remember our local theater warned people about seizures and constant flashes throughout the movie.
22:38 oh my god I paused at this exact timestamp and just realized that the reason Gwen shot a web at her dad in this scene is cuz in the window reflection it looked like he was holding a gun when in reality he was holding that penguin plush
23:47 worth pointing out one of the directors is Joaquim dos Santos, who also directed Avatar the Last Airbender and Voltron: Legendary Defender, among other AWESOME animations.
This movie wasn’t just a movie to me. It was an experience. A beautiful masterpiece unlike anything I’ve ever seen before in animation. I still remember the absolute shock and awe I felt during the canon event scene and Miles desperately trying to get back home. I absolutely loved this movie and I can’t wait for Beyond the Spider Verse
Another Fun Fact: The film's production was allegedly plagued by poor working conditions for the animators. Vulture reported that approximately 100 staff members quit over the course of production due to the crunch culture. Animated films are known to both take a long time to produce and be subject to extensive reworking, the former is usually done before any animation is started. However, the people Vulture talked to alleged that story and art changes were ordered by Phil Lord after scenes were completed. Although the film was ostensibly delayed out of its original spring 2022 release due to COVID-19, animators who were hired in the first quarter of 2021 allegedly sat around for six months or so with nothing to do while the story was being tweaked. In order to make up for lost time, some animators were working up to 11 hours a day. Allegedly the ending where Gwen gets the gang back together to rescue Miles was changed a mere six weeks before release. While Beyond was also ostensibly delayed due to the SAG-AFTRA strikes, it had been rumored long before the delay was officially announced that one was coming to avoid another situation like this.
Animators don't get enough of the credit or respect they so clearly deserve. If I had to work on these types of schedules, I'd probably have a complete mental breakdown or an arrest warrant.
22:17 Actually, she didn't let Miles go because he convinced her, she realized Miles was going to the wrong dimension (Earth 42), and just let him cause then he couldn't stop his canon event (His dad dying in his real dimension).
I honestly only have ONE real problem with this movie, and it’s that it blew the “Earth 42” twist too early (when he was getting sent there). We know Earth 42 isn’t his Earth, but it appears on the monitor of that teleporter machine when he gets sent there. If they held off on that till he started glitching, it would’ve been SO much better
Another fun detail: Each Spider-Person's theme has a LITTLE bit of the 60's theme worked into their own. Case in point, the start of Gwen's action theme has the same notes as the "spider-man, spider-man" first lines of the opening theme
To me I feel like I want Madame Web (the real one, the old woman from the animated series) to show up in across to talk sense to Miguel because no one is defined by what’s written in stone it’s the actions of what they do and will do.
Personally, my theory about Miles's Dad, canon events, etc., is that Miguel is _just plain wrong_ about the causal link between averted canon events and universal collapse. Sure, he believes that his presence in that alternate universe, replacing a version of him that died so he could enjoy a family, caused the universe to collapse, but (a) what canon event did he disrupt? (The guy is dead, and we don't see any consequences from his death that lead anywhere that his presence averted.) and (b) this is happening right around the time that Steven Strange is chasing a Dreamwalker across dimensions to prevent the Dreamwalker from collapsing them. I'd give at least even odds that the dimensional collapse was a third party causing it, and Miguel just got unlucky. Secondly, the hole in reality that the Spider Squad shows up to seal in Mumbattan is very clearly caused by the Spot. The hole is right where he dropped a rift-corrupted building through the floor of the city. It's just the rift he tore open getting wider. It would be doing that whether Miles saved Indian Spidey's father-in-law-to-be or not. All of Miguel's evidence for his theory is coincidental, circumstantial, and I strongly suspect cherry-picked. He looks for "canon event disruptions" to blame when he notices a hole in reality, rather than successfully using canon event disruptions to _predict_ holes in reality. And I think that realization is what is going to save Miles's Dad in terms of the alleged Gordian Knot of "the canon." I think fighting for that realization is going to be what the movie pivots on.
Funnily enough, a while back I watched a video from over a year ago that actually explains how Spectacular in Spiderverse could happen WITHOUT ruining Spectacular. In AEMH (Earth's Mightiest Heroes the Avengers) it was originally planned that that show's Spider-Man, who first appeared in season 2, was supposed to be the same as Spectacular, but, when Disney gave the order for Spectacular to be cancelled, without telling anyone, they got Ultimate Spider-Man's VA to redo the lines for a kind of other show advertisement. And the video I mentioned, Pillar of Garbage, explained how both could still be Spectacular and EMHA Spectacular without it ruining either continuity. They ARE the same Peter in a way, just that EMHA's Peter experienced NEAR identical events, but slightly different due to EMHA's world having several clear differences, The Vault being a key example. What does this mean? EMHA's Spider-Man is the one we see in Spiderverse. He just looks like Spectacular Spider-Man's design because it's who was was originally planned to be and travelling between Earths gives him this odd effect. It's not the best solution, but it's something better than ruining Spectacular's character as a whole, right?
@dylansharp8471 Spectacular goes from firmly saying "I'll NEVER look away" as a core part of his character to "it hurts, but you HAVE to look away". Unless he simply wasn't aware Miles' dad wasn't already dead and was talking from that point of view, having Spectacular say Miles needs to let his dad die goes against what Spectacular Spider-Man was
@dylansharp8471 to be clear, I'm not one of the people who saw Spectacular Spider-Man being "ruined" by what happened in the movie, but I noticed enough people complaining about it that, after randomly finding that video, I use its content as a way to placate those people so I don’t have to deal with their arguing why I'm wrong for NOT seeing Spectacular's character being ruined by the movie later. Like I said, I choose to view it as Spectacular was speaking to Miles from the perspective Miles' dad had already died, unaware the Canon Event had yet to happen. It just makes sense from his word choice and tone
Across the Spiderverse still holds on to the number one spot for last year. But Nimona blew me away too. I was expecting Spiderverse to be awesome, I got completely sucker punched by how good Nimona was.
3:55 I love how most people (in universe) will assume that's a marijuana reference because most people don't know a person named Mary Jane. 6:17 Not to nitpick but it was most of the Middle East not just the UAE. 9:00 Fun fact that's the way Spider-Man/Peter Parker beat the spot in Spider-Man the Animated Series. 14:16 It takes an iron will to resist making fun of that suit. 20:15 I know they can't see the labels like "Insomniac Spider-Man of Earth-1048" but it would be funny if they did because of course I would love to nitpick how they know Insomniac exist, and how they made the PS4/PS5 Spider-Man games. 21:05 So Immanuel Kant goes up against Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, Henry Sedwick, R. M. Hare, and Peter Singer. By that I do think this is a metaphor where Miles represents Immanuel Kant, Spider-Man 2099 represents Jeremy Bentham, and the Spider-Society represents John Stuart Mill, Henry Sedwick, R. M. Hare, and Peter Singer. 22:09 Spider-Man Noir is getting his own TV show.
This is mostly coming from a Film Theory video, but I see a pretty big hole in Miguel’s logic…he’s trying to stop the breaking of canon, because when he did it, it destroyed the universe he was in…but what he did was replace a version of himself who had died so he could have a family and a happy life, inserting himself into a word where Miguel O'Hara was supposed to be dead. It looks like he’s on the right track when Miles saves Police Inspector Singh and the world starts to collapse, but the world only started to collapse AFTER Miles did that one specific action, however, when we look at miles as Spider-Man, the logic becomes a little hazy… one of Miguel’s “canon events” is that someone becomes Spider-Man, and if the canon is broken then the world is destroyed. We know that the earth 42 spider was supposed to bite Miles 42, but it didn’t…and that world is still there, it’s gone to shit, but the world itself still exists, and Miles’ world seems to be self-correcting around him. The way I think it works, is that what Miguel calls Canon Events are actually Incursions, but they’re surprisingly easy to prevent…as long as the Spider who is NATIVE TO THE UNIVERSE IN QUESTION is the one that breaks the canon, everything will be fine. A recurring line in this movie is “I can do both” (save one important person and the bystanders)…I think the lesson of the next move will be something like “you can’t do both…not without help”
Surprised you didn't make a Morbius joke about Miguel getting ready to bite Vulture during their fight scene. I know you made the joke about the Spot meeting Morbius, but I was waiting for a joke about Vulture and Morbius teaming up and THAT was how it would end up for them.
Those opening notes of Am I Dreaming are still so damn iconic. So dramatic, epic, and leaves you feeling uneasy and ominous about what’s coming in Beyond.
@@EggFighterXB- okay? That dosent mean it wasn't a tragdery for miles to learn that a man hide to kill him was his favorite fammiy meber and then see them die.
I'm a little surprised that Doug didn't make the connection between symbolism behind the two cakes and the main driving force in the climax of the film: Miles initially gets told that he can't have his cake and eat it, too, and answers with "Unless you buy two cakes." He then gets two cakes for his dad and ends up ruining both. Later in the film, Miles is told that his father has to die to save the multiverse. He then claims that he can save his dad AND the multiverse at the same time, once again attempting to have his cake and eat it, too, in a way.
They actually teased the twist of the spider not being from Miles' dimension back in the first movie. The spider was glitching just like the other spider-people were because they weren't in the proper dimension. That realization hit me like a bus and I love that what seems to be minor details turn out to have huge impacts. I just freaking love these Spider-Verse movies.
I’m glad people are finally waking up and seeing how good the Spider-Verse movies are! I’ve gone YEARS of hearing people toss aside Into the Spider-Verse because it’s animated and “looks weird” despite me saying that it’s the best Spider-Man movie ever made, only for them to FINALLY be convinced to watch it once Across the Spider-Verse came out and everyone was talking about how amazing it is. It’s very cathartic knowing that people finally respect these movies enough to nearly give it a billion dollar box office during its theatrical run
Great review, Loved the movie Also, but missed a bit spotlight on the work conditions for the animators, Phil Lord and many other directors on these animations projects can’t decide things based on simple drawings like a pre vis, so the animators Can have made a couple of minutes of the movie complete done with all work and get asked to change it all because the director wanted too add a Giant new change storywise or camera. So massive respect to the animators for working under these conditions.
For the NEXT next villain, we need Allister Smyth. We give him a Go Home Machine, he reverse engineers it to make Spider-Slayers, he sends it to other dimensions to kill Spider-Men, so we have Miles trying to hop through different dimensions to save mismatched Spider-Men.
A Wonderful Fact: When the Lord & Miller logo glitches at the beginning, it briefly shows a version of the logo on a dog collar. This is the variant used for Strays (2023), another Lord & Miller production that came out two months later.
I really wish they kept in the deleted scenes of the spot getting bullied by spidey villains then returning and fighting every single one of them cuz it explains where he was for like an hour
Something I love about the spiderverse movies are that they EARNED the pg rating. Nowadays, most kids movies get a pg rating for little to no reason even if they are much tamer than the g rated kids films of yesteryear. For example, Hunchback Of Notre Dame has themes of lust, racism, a scene where the villain tries to murder a baby in the first 10 minutes after killing the babies mother, a song where the villain sings about how he doesn't want to go to hell for his lust towards someone, genocide, etc. And that movie got a g rating. Madagascar has Marty say sugar honey iced tea, and it gets a pg rating. However, just like Puss In Boots 2, the spiderverse movies actually earn the rating due to more mature content. I love how the spiderverse movies are taking risks to evolve animated movies.
Is anyone else hoping that WB gets their act together and lets that possible animated Batman Beyond movie happen? The one that was pitched by one of the animation leads for these Spider-Verse movies? Because golly, it's a PERFECT opportunity. Visually because the artstyle goes so well with Terrys suit and every other aspect about Neo Gotham, and if you're looking for a big box office, people have been begging for years and years to get one of these meaning many opportunities for his world to catch up with ours. The theatres would flood. If James Gunn thinks otherwise, he's nuts.
21:00 one of the problems I have with this is. Miles already had his "Canon Even" in the first film with his Uncle. Why should his dad be added on to that too?
23:46, that was my main problem with the movie, since that is not an ending. And my problem with movies whose endings are set-up for sequels is that they live and die based on whether or not their sequels were good pay-offs
@@dylansharp8471 Transformers 2, Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Fantastic Beasts 2, The Last Jedi, Batman vs Superman, The Last Airbender. Each of them was written to be the movie to which another movie was a sequel instead of telling its own story. I can’t stand that. So Spider-Verse 2 being a movie that was written to set up the next movie instead of telling its own story is (as a result) a major source of frustration for me.
There was always going to be a cliffhanger, though. Originally this was titled as a "part 1" until the second part was retitled to Beyond the Spider-verse.
I'm sorry to hear about the Studio Doug. You only just got it back up and running, and you're back to square one again. I hope you and the gang find a new studio to film in soon. Also, Across the Spiderverse rules, man :)
during the beginning part with Gwen, the shots of Miles are from her perspective of how she sees him, having slightly bigger and shinier eyes. it’s one of my favourite details in this movie
I will say I prefer the first one because it feels like a complete story. My biggest gripe with across the spiderverse is that it feels like the middle movie setting up a sequel vs being a full movie that has more to follow. With that said i think once the third one comes out 2 and 3 together will be my favorite and one will just be the cool jumping off point that showed what was possible.
I have watched Across The Spider-Verse like 10 times already. It is one of my favorite movies ever and when part 3 comes out, no one is going to care about the cliffhanger. I don’t think there is a way they could have made this self-contained without basically cutting out the first half of the movie and literally having the Miles following Gwen into the Indian Spider-Man dimension be the first scene in the movie
Random detail that a lot of people I have spoke to seem to miss - Gwen’s story is running parallel to Miles’. They’re both trying to save their dad. “A police captain close to Spider-Man has to die”. Gwen abandoned her home in an attempt to keep him safe, since no Spider-Man means no need to die. This was one of the reasons why she was so desperate to keep Miguel happy, follow the system, and got frustrated at Miles’ attempts to change things…if she got sent home with no way to leave, then her dad would die. I saw some people call her a brat for risking her friendship with Miles just to “avoid talking to her dad” when she believed that following the system was the only way to save him. It’s one of the reasons she’s so quick to change sides after her dad steps down as police captain, because she saw for the first time that going off story is possible, and that the system doesn’t have to play out the way Miguel thinks it does. That maybe Miles was actually right and isn’t risking destroying everything
I really love the LEGO universe in this movie because I love legos and it’s really interesting that the guy who did the LEGO trailer version of this movie was hired to animate the LEGO scene. Boy, this movie is the one of the best things I’ve ever seen from last year alongside Oppenheimer
Another Fun Fact: The film's opening recap/Previously on segment with Gwen giving a short recounting of the events of Into the Spider-Verse has a few shots of upcoming scenes from the film itself, lacking context, but still containing thematic relevance to her voiceover, such as Captain Stacy trying to arrest Gwen when she says that Miles isn't the only one who "hasn't had it easy" and Miles' betrayed reactions towards Gwen once the truth about Canon Events and his anomalous existence as Spider-Man is revealed to him, as Gwen brokenly says she "didn't want to hurt him". Gwen's dialogue also hints at the film's ending, with her repeated line "And he's not the only one" foreshadowing that Miles will meet another version of himself, and her line about how she thought she "knew the rest but (she) didn't" referring to how Gwen learns that Canon Events can be averted without the destruction of a dimension from her father quitting the force. Likewise, her first lines about "doing things differently this time" set up Gwen's new stance at the film's ending and decision to turn against the Spider-Society and its views with her own allies. Turns out this is actually the speech she's using to recruit people.
Another Fun Fact: The scene where Peter B. first appears when defending Miles from Miguel you can see behind him what appears to be an unfinished white, red, and black suit, which could be the same second suit Miguel wears in the comics, Funko released a Pop figure of Spider-Byte, but it used an earlier look by character designer Mauro Belfiore that differs from her finalized look, 14-year-old animator Preston Mutanga produced a LEGO version of the film's first full trailer and was subsequently hired to direct the movie's short foray into its own LEGO universe. The film includes Sun-Spider from Spider-Verse (Vol. 3) and End of the Spider-Verse. She was created as a Spider-Sona in the wake of the original movie, when Marvel asked fans to submit their original characters to be featured in the comics, The LEGO universe is stated to be Earth-13122, which is the same official universe name for LEGO Marvel Super Heroes. Neither James Arnold Taylor nor Martin Sherman reprise the role of LEGO Peter Parker, who is instead played by Nic Novicki, Burger King sold a set of six papercraft buildings in their kids' meals, During the theatrical run, two slightly different versions of the movies were playing in theaters, featuring various minor differences in animation, dialogue, music and even credits. One of those has become the "official" version with the home media and digital release while the other now only exists in camrip quality on illegal filesharing sites, Michelle Ruff confirmed on Facebook months after the fact that she was the voice of Mayday Parker, Miles' aunt and Rio's sister briefly shows up at Jeff's party, whose voice is given by Rio's voice actress' twin sister in real life, Lorraine Velez, Editor Andy Leviton added Chris Miller's coughing from 22 Jump Street at the very beginning of the movie as well as an onomatopoeia at the corner of the screen to draw attention to it as a joke. For about three years of production, Leviton kept adding it to every iteration of the film to see if anybody would notice and/or eventually tell him to stop, but Chris Miller told him that he and Phil Lord loved it the first time they saw it, resulting in artist Jeffrey Thompson upgrading the cough sound effect to something more visually interesting and keeping it in the final film, The directors confirmed in an interview that Miguel and many of the characters in the film calling Miles "not a real Spider-Man", constantly forcing him to adhere to canon and limiting the actions that he should be allowed to make, was them commenting on the negative backlash Morales got after becoming Spider-Man; in particular the vocal minority who refuse to see him as worthy of inheriting the mantle and insist on the status quo, The creators have compared the ending of the film to the ending of The Empire Strikes Back, While the Love Triangle aspect between Miles, Gwen, and Hobie was ultimately open-ended within the film itself, Daniel Kaluuya does think that "something was happening", noting the whole fact that Gwen is staying at Hobie's place and Hobie is tolerating the Spider-Society for her sake. In the end, Kaluuya thinks whatever's going on is ultimately between only them, While the Love Triangle aspect between Miles, Gwen, and Hobie was ultimately open-ended within the film itself, Daniel Kaluuya does think that "something was happening", noting the whole fact that Gwen is staying at Hobie's place and Hobie is tolerating the Spider-Society for her sake. In the end, Kaluuya thinks whatever's going on is ultimately between only them, The "First Look" trailer for the movie, back when it was Across the Spider-Verse: Part One, has a number of differences from the final movie. Most notable is that Miles' arrival in Mumbattan and his fight with Miguel were once the same scene, with Miguel tackling Miles out of Mumbattan and into Nueva York's Space Elevator. In the final movie, these two events are made separate and take place in the end of the first act and the climax respectively, Initial reports indicated that Takuya Yamashiro would appear in the movie, but he's nowhere to be found in the release. Given comments from Chris Miller, however, he likely ended up being saved for Beyond the Spider-Verse, as he was announced before the sequel was officially split into two films, The film initially had a post-credits scene starring the Spot. It was scrapped because the filmmakers felt it ruined the tone of the main movie's cliffhanger and, at that point in production, it would have been a confusing Orphaned Reference to an earlier scene that they already cut (the earlier scene would have seen the Spot go to a Bad Guy Bar and be relentlessly mocked, with the post-credits scene having him return to curbstomp everyone with his upgraded powers), Mayday's concept art shows she was originally planned to have heterochromia at one point unlike her comic counterpart, with her left eye being brown like her father's and the right being blue like her mother's. By the second trailer, however, this has been scrapped, as she retains the blue eyes of her comic book counterpart. Her hair in the concept art is also noticeably different from how it looks in the second trailer, as it is shorter and sports a darker shade of red akin to Mary Jane's hair color, Both Spider-Byte's Funko Pop! figurine and official PVC figure show a completely different design compared to the final design in the movie, which more closely resembles her suit from the comics. Both figurines feature a blue and red circuitry-inspired suit, long robotic arms and a completely different hairstyle. In the final film, her design has been completely reinvented, with a new purple color scheme and her hair tied back into buns. The fact that this design made it into the official merchandise suggests that this design was scrapped late into the movie's development, Another deleted scene had Miles following Gwen while invisible to a construction site where he sees her talking to the holograms of not only Jess, but Miguel and other members of the Spider-society as well. He would eventually show himself to their surprise, directly asking Miguel's hologram why he couldn't be part of the Society and being rejected. He and Gwen would talk directly with Gwen telling Miles she had no choice in doing what Miguel ordered and that Miles had a better thing going with his parents than she did in the Society anyway. This version also appears to not have included Gwen and Miles' swing around the city as Miles reveals his suit to Miguel and Gwen refers to it as if she hadn't seen it before.
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Pretty please, it is the day 143 waiting for the ,,G-force " movie review by the ,,Nostalgia Critic" himself! Please see this Doug!
Way too many Spidermen Am I Right ? Back to Maintenances we go Folks!
Best Spider-man EVER! The first one is 2nd!
BEST SPIDER MOVIE YET❤❤❤❤❤
Its amazing, i love it
Fun story: When I went to see the movie at the theater, they accidentally played it with the wrong dub. After about 30 minutes of the audience shouting in frustration, the theater staff apologized, restarted the movie from the beginning, and offered everyone a free ticket for any future movie of their choice. I used my free ticket to watch the same movie again.
You made the right choice
Why am I in the boat of "I'd watch it derped up first, the version I didn't expect to see, but if I got a free ticket, I'd just come back next time to watch the one I wanted to in the firs tplace?"
I went to see Oppenheimer but a storm knocked out the power and the showing was canceled. They gave everyone free tickets to come back and I used my ticket to go see Across the Spiderverse
The studio should give anyone who has watched this film a free ticket to the the next one, seeing as this one was incomplete (there is no third act nor any pay off for any of the set up).
Weird, in my theater, the ac wasn't working and they gave everyone a free ticket too.
21:25 fun fact. The number 42 also is relevant to Miles Morales’s first comic book appearance as the lottery ball that got him into Brooklyn Visions academy was also Number 42.
also is the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything else...
It's the ANSWER to the life, the universe and everything.
@@motor4X4kombatand is also the number Jackie Robinson, the first black person to play in major leauge baseball, had on his uniform
One of my favorite things about watching this movie is looking for all the tiny nuances in Miles' life that prove he is who Destiny wants him to be an Miguel is completely wrong about him.
I did wonder if 42 was a fun trivia for Miles, so thanks for confirming that.
Fun Fact: Spencer Wan, one of the animators for the film, used spam emails he received as background textures for Hobie Brown's animation throughout the film.
Based.
😂
Oh, hot damn.
I thought that was a Spider Man name pun
I wonder if anyone can pause and try to read what the emails says
I'm still convinced this "canon event" thing isn't real, or nearly as important as portrayed, and Miguel is either misinterpreting what happened, or was duped, and was only saved from the ravages of that universe collapsing BECAUSE he didn't belong.
I think by replacing himself, no action was taken to investigate his death, which led to that universe collider incident not being stopped in time, which led to collapse.
You can see it in Phavitrs dimension, it’s not the officer who is the cause of sinkhole, it’s the collider.
@@ДмитрийКривопишин-з5ю i suspect something similar too.
Also, he's an hypocrite : he calls Miles "the original anomaly", when in actuallity, HE is ! It's HIS transdimensional experiments that collapsed that dimension, HE's the one that's been tampering with all the other Spidermen's dimensions, priming them up for non-canon interventions, HE is calling the shots, and then complaining about them being taken !
Sure, the super Collideintron from Miles' dimension did some more damage, but it all started with HIM...
It might even go one step further; perhaps his messing with canon events in a dimension is what destabilised the spiderverse to where it is now.
With all the different versions there are, I do not find it likely none of them ever found a workaround to an issue that was considered a canon event. The avoiding thereof might even what made some of them possible to exist in the first place. But Miguel, I think, said he kept interfering with those moments and I believe he broke too many which put a strain on the spiderverse as a whole.
The holographic display does show that the breaking of these events would affect every universe, not just the one it occurs in.
I absolutely love the Spot because he’s the first “scientist turned into a monster during experiment gone wrong” character who actually ACTS like a scientist.
He’s constantly experimenting and picking apart the broader applications of his powers over the course of the movie. And unlike every other supervillain (who usually just tolerates having a kryptonite) when he realises he can run out of holes, he quickly brainstorms a way to get rid of the weakness by recreating the accident that transformed him on a much larger scale. He's far from the joke everyone sees him as.
I agree. I like how he’s treated as a joke by pretty much everyone. And Gwen called him a “villain of the week.” But he eventually become an actual threat.
@@Mathivich he's such a great villain for miles!
@@kdusel1991 Exactly, he’s got so much potential to be a compelling antagonist.
@@Mathivich can't wait to see what he does in Beyond! It's gonna be so crazy and fun!
I get what you're saying, but let's not allow the quality of Morbius have us forget that the titular character did just about all those things you listed. Once he's off that boat, he spends the majority of the second act being a scientist by timing himself after blood consumption and even experimenting to see what he's now capable of.
23:40
A fun fact about this part: originally the cliffhanger was a little earlier, it was going to be when Prowler Miles puts his fist next to "our" Miles, and then end abruptly there. But when they showed this ending to test audiences, they apparently "got very angry", thus the decision to show Gwen gathering her team, and Miles ripping the glove, got added during the last few months of production to make the cliffhanger more hopeful.
(Source is a BTS video that was released a while back.)
Miles: I love *Chai Tea*🍵
Pavitr: And I took that Personally.
Want some coffee coffee with a cup of cream cream
What next? You want Naan bread which is the same as saying "Bread bread."
@@alexiaNBC …Which is the same as saying “Chai tea”!
Spot: "Oh I love Chai Tea!"
Pavitr: *"OK LISTEN YOU LITTL-!"*
Pavitr: YOU JUST SAID YOU LIKE TEA TEA!
I think the slower part towards the beginning with Miles, his parents, and Gwen deserve so much love. For one, the scene where Miles is invisible and basically looking Gwen in the face as she says she’ll never see Miles again, reminded me so much of the moment in A Christmas Carol (Jim Carrey one). Doug, you know what I’m talking about because the way you talk about that scene always stuck with me. The hanging upside down scene with Miles and Gwen is beautiful and perfect. 10/10 moment. And the scenes with Miles talking with his mom make me emotional every time as someone who’s mom has died. And that’s the part of the movie that people think is the weakest.
Funny too, as I was personally looking forward to Mile's mother getting more to do compared to the first film being more him and his father, and it did not disappoint in that regard. Now it's gonna all come together for both of them at the end.
What version of A Christmas Story has Jim Carrey in it?! I think I would've noticed that much sooner!
@@jongon0848 good thing you called that out cuz I never would’ve noticed
The motion capture one made by Disney had Jim Carrey as Scrooge
@@king_supreme1102 Side note that i want to share...ugh...I can't believe this movie managed to squeeze in some woke points too. Although it isn't surprising. Obviously still fantastic movie. ✌
The Spot was a surprising twist of a villain. He went from a throwaway joke to an existential threat that could destroy the whole universe.
He's not only funny but became scary
@@theanimeunderworld8338 He's scarily funny.
@@theanimeunderworld8338 The minute he yelled "And then I won't be just a JOKE TO YOU!!!" you could feel how unrestrained he was becoming.
@@somerandolad also funnily scary
Forget The Butterfly Effect, us Spider-Man fans have The Bagel Effect.
Fun fact: Jason Schwartzman who plays the Spot is the cousin of Nicolas cage who plays Spiderman noir. Schwartzman's mother is Talia Shire who is the sister of Godfather director Francis Ford Coppola and Cage's father is Coppola's brother.
Why do I bring this up? Because even if Cage is not in a sequel to one of his movies he somehow still is.
Ah, nepotism.
The Canon Event Sequence is one of the most gorgeous pieces of art I have ever seen in my life.
You saying this was a cannon event.
Now I kinda wanna see the 'canon event' conflict in other stories.
Like, Future Trunks shows up in Super Broly and he's like "no, Broly's supposed to be a generic doomsday villain with no personality" and everyone else is like "screw that noise"
It can also apply to Batman Beyond and 2018 She-Ra
@@matthewmccoyd2578
"It can also apply to Batman Beyond and 2018 She-Ra"
How so?
Because Terry, Catra and Hordak are all 'anomolies'@@dylansharp8471
Another Fun Fact: Miguel O'Hara's theme music resembles the opening theme from Spider-Man Unlimited (1999), which was originally supposed to be a Spider-Man 2099 series, but was reworked after the release of Batman Beyond (1999).
Honestly, i thought his theme was inspired by the Prowler theme from the last one.
Funny you mention Batman Beyond since the people behind this movie wanted to do a Batman Beyond movie in this style.
I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT!!!!!
wow I looooved Spiderman unlimited, it was so cyberpunk
Miles and Gwen’s relationship was great. I really like when they’re talking while sitting upside down on the building, and when they’re at the rooftop party
It took 'till my second viewing of the film to realize that the narration from the opening is Gwen convincing their friends at the end.
I wonder what Stan Lee’s cameo would’ve been if he were alive this movie and Beyond the Spiderverse
It’s the infinite multiverse. The only correct answer is at least ONE “Spider-Lee!”
And there’s a Spider Ben AND Spider aunt May IN THE MOVIE (scene with a bunch of spiders) so no “old people can’t Spider-Man” allowed!
I can’t even imagine his combat quips. They’d be hilarious
Probably the live action part
@@C24U_ or he could've had another animated appearance, much like his cameo in the first film
Council of Spider-Stans sitting at a table having coffee with each other.
Stan would’ve LOVED this 🥹
Another small thing I love in this movie is when Spot starts out, you can see circles like someone starting a sketch and over time he loses them like he’s becoming more detailed.
While he is not involved with the film, The Spectacular Spider-Man creator Greg Weisman suggested that *the version of Spectacular Spider-Man who cameos in the film is not the same one from the show (but an alternate self), but different universe to the main Spectacular universe; pointing out that the show's Peter would not be on Miguel's side.*
And that is 250% true. Because I refuse to believe he would buy into Miguel's BS bull crap
I feel like he’d make fun of Miguel instead of respecting him
In a livestreamed interview, Josh Keaton had a theory that Captain Stacy died at some point after the original series ended, and that his death is what would've led to Peter joining up with Miguel and his Spider-Society. Miguel would've told Peter about the Spider-Man Canon Events and that all the tragedies he's suffered throughout his life were part of some greater purpose. After losing another father figure in his life, Josh believed that a young and impressionable Spider-Man would've believed anything to make himself feel better and started looking up to Miguel O'Hara as his new mentor. Honestly, that theory just makes me think Spider-Society really is a cult.
@@matthewjarek3026
Cult?
Reminds me of when the creators of Spider-Girl made a similar explanation for when the Spider-Verse comics wrote her really out of character.
You know what my favorite part of Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is? In Miles' dorm room, to the left of the window, you can see a newspaper with a picture of Daisy Johnson/Quake from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that references when she was on the run during Season 4. Someone put that in the background as an easter egg, maybe because they were a fan of the show. This huge movie gave Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. more respect and recognition with that little inclusion than the mainline MCU ever did.
Especially when that show is better than all of the Disney+ shows that Marvel Studios has made.
For me, it’s up there with Daredevil, especially Season 4.
I loved Agents of SHIELD, it was one of those rare TV runs that just hit perfect. @@Phanthief95
@@Phanthief95 Side note that i want to share...ugh...I can't believe this movie managed to squeeze in some woke points too. Although it isn't surprising. Obviously still fantastic movie. ✌
@@tufflucal4037 Yeah I sighed about three times for those woke things, I can't even bear to buy Insomniac's Spidey 2 because it's just pandering mess thanks to Sweet Baby Inc.
That alone gives me all the reason to love this movie
The amount of easter eggs in this movie is staggering. The love for Spider lore the crew has really shines through
Is there any update on beyond the spider-verse?
I thought Miles uncle dying was his "uncle ben" moment as the other Spiders bring it up how they always lose someone.
I feel like they're saving Miles bringing that up for the next movie, since Aaron in some form was re-introduced.
It was…but spiderman has multiple canon events.
@@lorddj9910true. The original has his uncle, Gwen's uncle, Gwen herself. And I guess you can count Green Goblin death too.
There's multiple canon events. An uncle dying (uncle Ben, uncle Aaron), Gwen dying ect... the one Miles is trying to stop is "a cop close to spiderman's real identity dies". That's why during that scene they show the death of Gwen's father from the Amazing Spider Man movies, or why Gwen feared for the death of her father who's a cop, and why him quiting was her realizing their fate wasn't written in stone (nor in canon events).
The other cannon event is the chief of police dies. [Like the original Captain Stacy, Gwen's father, in the Spider-Man comicsv So even though he already lost his uncle, his father is chief of police- that's why he is fighting for his dad and that's why its so potent when Gwen's father says he quit. He took himself out of the way without understanding the whole situation.]
On top of everything
This movie had one of the best ending songs that had me sit through the entire credits.
Am I Dreaming
true
Yeah it was pretty good.
👍
One of the better songs of the decade so far
Shaming everything else was terrible
man the whole build up of Miles realizing he's in the wrong universe was such a masterpiece of tension and build up, catching every little hint like his mom's eyes are green, knowing about comic con, the off colours, the music build up. You could feel the dread growing in the theatre when watching it with other people as everyone starts catching on
God, I remember watching this scene at the theater and literally hearing a guy behind me go "OH SHIT!" when his uncle walked in.
I won’t lie when I saw the scene in theaters I was thinking to myself “wait why does she not know Spider-Man? she mourned him in the… *_OH FUCK_* “
@@JFtheLOLZOR It’s very rare I get surprised by a twist I didn’t see coming from a mile away.
@@zachscarbrough2727 weirdly enough I realized it pretty quickly when the go back machine said universe 42 but the build up was still phenomenal
That "twist" was so obvious. All you surprised people from the States?
Also the Foam Party joke is a holdover from Into the Spiderverse. When Miles’s dad is driving him to school during the start of the movie his dad points it out.
One of the many things that I find so satisfying about how the Spiderverse movies have been written is that so much of what was written (in terms of themes for characters) in the first movie pays off in the second movie. When Miles and Peter interact for the first time the color pallet from his Spider-sense shifts from green and purple (the Prowler's colors) to red and blue (Spiderman's colors) this insignificant detail at the time becomes an intracule part of Across The Spiderverse where Miles and by extension the audience finds out that he wasn't supposed to be Spiderman- he was supposed to be the Prowler which is mind blowing because it was all there, Miles' Theme (in the soundtrack) is the Prowler's theme in revers. All of this is RIGHT there for us pick apart and is crafted in a way that when you find out about all of these things it just clicks together.
You just don't see this type of writing anymore when it comes to entertainment. Very rarely do writers set these small things up that pay off later on- usually they'll just forget about it and when asked just go "haha yea I forgot about it, originally we were gonna do this but it got cut and we just left it, my bad!" but Spiderverse doesn't do that every detail has a reason for being and it's why I love this movie so much.
Anymore?
Honestly the Animators who made this movie deserve a pay raise they made this movie so awesome and so fantastic
Doug mentions Mumbatten and says, how am I following this when it's so chaotic. MANY MANY MANY MANY iterations. That shot alone of them warping through the market and running along the balcony went thru so many version! The team I was on did a LOT of those shots...and there were things like, the color of the bannisters and making sure neither of them ever cross anything too similar to them over time. Literally every frame in this movie was meticulously art directed!
I have a theory, I think the reason it's so easy to follow everything is a) the character colors always deviate them from the background, making it easier to find them and b) because the actions is always in the center of the frame. Fury Road did something similar where every action beat begins in the same location on the screen as where the last one left off. Here, if you simply stared at the center of the screen, you'd be able to see the focal point of the action. This gives you brain more time to go over the finer details because you're not scouring the frame to find said focal point.
Fun fact: If you listen closely to Gwen recreating Spot's moment of making the mini collider. You can hear his theme playing in the recreation
The one complaint I had for this film is kept feeling like the film was going to end the music builds and it keeps going, music builds you think it is going to fade to black, it keeps going.
I personally would’ve preferred it ending on the shot where prowler hits “miles” (the bag) and cuts straight to black, leaving audiences guessing whether or not he survived. Also, another flaw about the film is that if a person just decides not to become a police captain, does that mean no wreckage to the canon will happen? Gwen’s father stepped down and he’s still alive.
@@SilverPlayer2002 I think it should have ended at the point you see the small group of Spider people assembled ready to go save Miles then Fade to Black. Also to answer your question I think there is no impact.
@@SilverPlayer2002 That last bit may not be a flaw, but a clue (among several others), that Miguel is wrong about his inevitable collapse theory.
Dougs canon events in multiverse are Bat Credit Car, Cat in the Hat, Son of the Mask, North, Freddy Got Fingered, Doug show, etc
Here are some other fun facts you might have missed
1. The Spot was not originally the film's main antagonist, being dismissed at first by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller when producer Avi Arad suggested using him, but this changed after the potential of his powers was discussed. Yes that Avi Arad the man who ruined both Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2
2. The film's majn poster itself is foreshadowing those who will remain loyal to Miguel are on the left while those who will rebel to join Miles are on the right.
3. The Spider-Society only gives Miles a day pass to stop him from glitching. The only other person with a day pass is Mayday Peter B.'s toddler daughter Peter B. even says he "didn't know they made that for adults."
4. Earth-13122 the Lego universe is the same universe from Lego Marvel Super Heroes (2013) and Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2 (2017).
5. The fifth Sony film nominated for the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, after Surf's Up (2007), The Pirates! Band of Misfits (2012), Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse (2018), and The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) only Into the Spider-Verse has won.
6. The Spider-Sense reverb from the first film occurs between Miles and Spider-Byte and is noticeably the only instance that this happens between Miles and another member of the Spider-Society. This hints at her defection to Gwen's team after Miguel exiles her in the film's ending.
7. At run time of 1 hour Jessica Drew tells Miles that he has 1 hour to fix the problem he caused (within the plot). Credits roll 1 hour 10 minutes after this dialogue occurs.
8. The classic Spidey web pattern briefly appears when Miguel unmasks himself.
9. In theatre release there are actually two different versions that were released. The differences don't include differences in major plot points rather subtle animation differences and dialogue differences.
10. Spider-Punk is an alternative universe mixture of both Spider-Man and the original Prowler. The original Hobie Brown was the first Prowler a petty thief turned hero after being redeemed by Spider-Man. Aaron Davis would become the Prowler of the Ultimate Marvel Universe in 2011.
11. The Marvel Database wiki gave the Sony's Spider-Man Universe the unofficial placeholder universe designation of Earth-TRN688. In this film the SSU is given the designation of Earth-688.
12. Things you can see in Miles's room on Earth-42 that aren't in Earth 1610 A design of the prowler's glove next to Miles drawing board, a book on free climbing on the book shelf, a speed bag next to the door and a Muy Thai trophy in the hall
My favorite Easter egg: Miguel refers to the MCU as Earth-199999, the official(I think?) designation for that universe. Where as the MCU keeps referring to its own universe as Earth-616, which is the main comic book universe.
"Earth-13122 the Lego universe is the same universe from Lego Marvel Super Heroes (2013) and Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2 (2017)."
Possibly anyways. I say that due to certain reasons.
One of the biggest reasons why you're able to follow the action SO well is because the team utilized a stylization technique done by another director you might know, Wes Anderson; that is, all of the important information of any given scene is kept at the center of the screen so your eye doesn't lose focus. He's by no means the one to pioneer this, afaik, but he is the one that popularized and refined it, and that filming ethos bleeds into this film so unabashedly.
Whereas Wes Anderson uses the negative space of a scene for building atmosphere and capturing a mood, almost like a painting or a picture, Across the Spider-Verse uses that empty space to its fullest potential at the film's highest moments, making sure that the main character is center frame, while everyone not in focus heads to the side; they treat each frame like a panel of a comic book. Then later flips back to traditional shots when the film slows down...and even then, most of its still centered. It's how they can fill every frame with so much information, while still being coherent.
Try it next time you're watching the film (this isn't just for Doug, you at home can try this too), REALLY concentrate on how much your eyes are moving throughout. You could probably count on one hand the amount of times you'll be looking either to the left or the right. As you said, it really is an absolutely amazing use of layout and composition, and was clearly done by someone who's a master of cinematography.
Something interesting that I read is that what makes Miguel wrong in this situation isn’t because he’s a jerk about it or that he’s lying. It’s because he is unknowingly making the same mistake that Spider-Man made in the very beginning, he’s letting something bad happen without doing anything about it, just like Peter Parker originally did when he could have stopped the criminal who was gonna be responsible for uncle Ben’s death. This is what Miguel doesn’t realize that no spider man would consciously make if they knew it would happen, canon event or not.
Fun fact about this movie, it actually holds the world record for the longest animated film. I love how they almost created a Mandela effect. Like how there were so many good scenes that some theater showed different versions, at least until DVD/Blue-ray was release. I do wish they had kept the scene where Gwen it’s panicking while looking for Miles under the rubble instead of just replacing it with silence. Before it’s obviously confirmed that he was all right, she’s thinking she’s reliving to what happened to her Peter.
Not to be that guy, but I think the record for longest animated film actually goes to The Tragedy of Man (2011) and its whopping 2 hour and 40 minutes runtime.
@@GUILLE832 I'll up your one guy and be that second guy.
Across isn't the longest animated movie in the world. But it is the longest *Western* animated movie.
@@GUILLE832The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya is 2 hours and 44 minutes.
I remember being bummed that they removed the dialogue Gwen had in that scene when it went to streaming. Though I guess they removed it as they felt the dialogue and animation didn’t mesh well. Think like the infamous “Get Back Here Shocker” scene from the 1994 Spider-Man series.
Do you know if there is any way to see the different scenes?
Definitely agree with you on the ending. It's super rare these days to see such a sheer cliffhanger. Feels more like the end of a movie part than the end of the second movie in a trilogy. Easily my favorite Easter Egg from this movie is the Quake article on Miles' bedroom wall from Marvel's Agents of SHIELD of all things. Clearly someone who worked on this movie is a big Quake fan and it was incredible to find this after the fact even if it ended up fueling the fire for the disappointment that was Secret Invasion
And I don’t get why many people weren’t big on the cliffhanger.
It’s not like other times when films ended on cliffhangers setting up another movie which didn’t happen. This one does have another film in production and will come out.
Thank you! I love Agents of SHIELD!
One thing I really like (among many, admittedly) is that for all their differences both the Spot and Miguel are basically coming at Miles with the same complaint: "These are the rules of a Spider-Man film, why aren't you sticking to them?"
Miguel has his 'canon', the rules by which every adaption of Spider-Man has clung to, which audiences were getting tired of even when we were only on the Andrew Garfield films. And when Spot says he should be Miles' nemesis because of how connected they are he'd be absolutely right in literally any other Spider-Man film, which all bent over backwards to connect Doc Ock, Sandman, Lizard, Electro to Spidey (hell even in the original comics the reveal of Norman Osbourne as Green Goblin was divisive amongst the writers because it was yet another villain who had some personal connection to Peter). The Spider-Verse films aren't just stories that happen to have Spider-Man in them, they're stories *about* Spider-Man, its why they work so well
Doug review Arcoss before Though really? Now I have really to finally watch Across the Spider-Verse.
You gotta watch this movie!
@@ChannelAwesomeLOVE the movie ❤❤❤❤❤
Seriously, WATCH THIS MOVIE
@@ChannelAwesomeI can't wait for beyond! This movie is amazing! Everything about it is masterfully done!
Dude how have you not😮
10:31 I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Foam Party was mentioned in the first movie, where Miles’ dad is driving him to school and is bantering with him, making a nice touch an even nicer touch
Fun fact the opening is exactly 20 minutes that we spend in Gwen's world until we check back in with miles
19:09 That's another thing, Spider-Man Noir a.k.a. Nicolas Cage isn't in this movie. In fact, half of the Spider-Characters that they introduced in Into the Spiderverse don't get any lines or screen time. Lily Tomlin as Aunt May, Kathryn Hahn as Doc Ock, John Mulaney as Peter Porker and Kimoko Glenn as Peni Parker has a scene that's so short that I completely forgot she was even there until I watched the film a second time.
@@klimmr yeah I noticed that too. I think that they used the same dialogue tracks from the first instead of bringing them back also.
A 42 Fact: The number 42 features prominently in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) and this film. Peter Ramsey attributes it as an homage to baseball legend Jackie Robinson as 42 was the jersey number he made famous in his historical career. To quote Ramsey : "Forty-two was Jackie Robinson's jersey number for the Brooklyn Dodgers. He was a barrier-smashing Black superhero in baseball, and [Miles is a] color-smashing Black superhero in Spider-Man comics"
Wait, so it's NOT a Hitchhiker's Guide joke?
I love all the little details they put into this film, it's so cool! One I picked up on is when Miles and his parents are with the guidance counsellor, Rio snaps her fingers so he pays attention and not only is the motion of the snap done like a comic book style, but if you pause the film, the lines make up the flag of Puerto Rico, a nod to his heritage.
Also Spiderpunk's animation frame rate differs from the other characters, with poses changing every third frame and each separate element of him, his jacket, his guitar, having their own different frame rate. This makes sense because as Hobie says, he hates consistency.
20:32 I'm glad you mentioned the Spectacular Spiderman should deserve the seasons they cancelled.
I love the gwen saying goodbye to miles, and you think she knows he's there,but she's just seeing his home in the distance, a really great little changing your expectations.
The ending to this movie is actually amazing.
Miles just looks so done as he faces down his Prowler counterpart.
Miguel and his team search for Miles trying desperately to stop him from keeping his dad alive.
Meanwhile Gwen completes her story arc and assembles her own team.
And there in the background of all of this looms our true enemy The Spot. Waiting to fulfill his destiny.
It’s an ending. But also a beginning. But also a cliffhanger. It feels satisfying to stop here. But also disappointing as I want more.
It’s just so good.
My sister and niece were both MAD at the cliffhanger. My response to them was: oh please- YOU DON'T KNOW A REAL CLIFFHANGER LIKE THE ONES I'VE SEEN. 😂
I'm surprised you didn't, at least briefly, mention the music overall. It works so well to hype up scenes. This movie is so close to being perfect.
I doubt it was intentional, but every time I started feeling a sensory overload coming on, the movie slowed down juuuust enough for me to catch my breath before jumping into the next bit of action.
About the tragic canon event. If I’m not mistaken the 1994 animated Spider-Man series had a version of Spider-Man, from the madam web arc, who was able to save their uncle Ben and he was still alive. That Peter Parker was known as the best, because he stopped his canon event. Of course I could be remembering wrong.
Calling it now, instead of Jeff, its Rio that gets killed. No one would see that coming, and it would rip Miles heart out after their last conversation.
So basically just be the original Ultimate comic, as that's who Miles loses.
@@KazeromaruWelp. I guess I've shown my hand as a movie-only watcher. I'll hand in my nerd card on the way out.
@@JcFerggyShe was resurrected when Miles was transported to main marvel universe. He doesn't have his uncle Ben tragedy at all now.
Oh, man... that's actually possible. DAMN. That would definitely catch the audience off guard, without a doubt...!
I noticed the cake thing in theaters. I fully expected them to pull out a 'Have your cake and eat it too' reference, especially since they are setting Miles up to take The Third Option.
Something I find simultaneously brilliant and frustrating is how Miguel doesn't understand why his world fell apart and how he DIDN'T break a Canon Event to do it.
The Canon Event he thinks he broke was the death of that universe's version of himself... but that isn't the case at all.
The other him's death still happened.
It's the fact Miguel got careless and something specific he did in that universe is what destroyed it.
In fact, deep down, I wouldn't be surprised if he knows this, but, the grief of losing all he cared about and the guilt of knowing he's the cause of it made him go into denial and he's using the Canon Events to justify himself and hide from the guilt, to the point he's convinced himself he was and never is in the wrong.
Also, I love that, for the Lego Spider-Man universe, they just reused the audio from the first Tobey Maguire movie when it came to Jonah😂
And Spot blaming Miles for his becoming Spot is just ignoring his own blame.
HE'S the one who chose to get some extra dark matter when it was obvious to everyone else to get out once the Spiders started fighting the villains.
Spot caused all his own problems and just wants to blame Miles because that's easier
"Also, I love that, for the Lego Spider-Man universe, they just reused the audio from the first Tobey Maguire movie when it came to Jonah"
I'm pretty sure they actually got J.K. Simmons.
I think it’s a good sequel, but I love Spider Man: Into the Spiderverse more because it was more focused, and I remember our local theater warned people about seizures and constant flashes throughout the movie.
22:38 oh my god I paused at this exact timestamp and just realized that the reason Gwen shot a web at her dad in this scene is cuz in the window reflection it looked like he was holding a gun when in reality he was holding that penguin plush
23:47 worth pointing out one of the directors is Joaquim dos Santos, who also directed Avatar the Last Airbender and Voltron: Legendary Defender, among other AWESOME animations.
22:05 not doing the “i’m a motha fuckin T-Rex” bit here feels like a missed opportunity 😂
This movie wasn’t just a movie to me. It was an experience. A beautiful masterpiece unlike anything I’ve ever seen before in animation. I still remember the absolute shock and awe I felt during the canon event scene and Miles desperately trying to get back home. I absolutely loved this movie and I can’t wait for Beyond the Spider Verse
Another Fun Fact: The film's production was allegedly plagued by poor working conditions for the animators. Vulture reported that approximately 100 staff members quit over the course of production due to the crunch culture. Animated films are known to both take a long time to produce and be subject to extensive reworking, the former is usually done before any animation is started. However, the people Vulture talked to alleged that story and art changes were ordered by Phil Lord after scenes were completed. Although the film was ostensibly delayed out of its original spring 2022 release due to COVID-19, animators who were hired in the first quarter of 2021 allegedly sat around for six months or so with nothing to do while the story was being tweaked. In order to make up for lost time, some animators were working up to 11 hours a day. Allegedly the ending where Gwen gets the gang back together to rescue Miles was changed a mere six weeks before release. While Beyond was also ostensibly delayed due to the SAG-AFTRA strikes, it had been rumored long before the delay was officially announced that one was coming to avoid another situation like this.
Animators don't get enough of the credit or respect they so clearly deserve. If I had to work on these types of schedules, I'd probably have a complete mental breakdown or an arrest warrant.
That's not fun.
22:17 Actually, she didn't let Miles go because he convinced her, she realized Miles was going to the wrong dimension (Earth 42), and just let him cause then he couldn't stop his canon event (His dad dying in his real dimension).
I honestly only have ONE real problem with this movie, and it’s that it blew the “Earth 42” twist too early (when he was getting sent there). We know Earth 42 isn’t his Earth, but it appears on the monitor of that teleporter machine when he gets sent there. If they held off on that till he started glitching, it would’ve been SO much better
Another fun detail: Each Spider-Person's theme has a LITTLE bit of the 60's theme worked into their own. Case in point, the start of Gwen's action theme has the same notes as the "spider-man, spider-man" first lines of the opening theme
To me I feel like I want Madame Web (the real one, the old woman from the animated series) to show up in across to talk sense to Miguel because no one is defined by what’s written in stone it’s the actions of what they do and will do.
Personally, my theory about Miles's Dad, canon events, etc., is that Miguel is _just plain wrong_ about the causal link between averted canon events and universal collapse.
Sure, he believes that his presence in that alternate universe, replacing a version of him that died so he could enjoy a family, caused the universe to collapse, but (a) what canon event did he disrupt? (The guy is dead, and we don't see any consequences from his death that lead anywhere that his presence averted.) and (b) this is happening right around the time that Steven Strange is chasing a Dreamwalker across dimensions to prevent the Dreamwalker from collapsing them. I'd give at least even odds that the dimensional collapse was a third party causing it, and Miguel just got unlucky.
Secondly, the hole in reality that the Spider Squad shows up to seal in Mumbattan is very clearly caused by the Spot. The hole is right where he dropped a rift-corrupted building through the floor of the city. It's just the rift he tore open getting wider. It would be doing that whether Miles saved Indian Spidey's father-in-law-to-be or not.
All of Miguel's evidence for his theory is coincidental, circumstantial, and I strongly suspect cherry-picked. He looks for "canon event disruptions" to blame when he notices a hole in reality, rather than successfully using canon event disruptions to _predict_ holes in reality.
And I think that realization is what is going to save Miles's Dad in terms of the alleged Gordian Knot of "the canon." I think fighting for that realization is going to be what the movie pivots on.
14:02 i can see Doug cameoing as Bombastic Bag Man Spidy 😂
Funnily enough, a while back I watched a video from over a year ago that actually explains how Spectacular in Spiderverse could happen WITHOUT ruining Spectacular.
In AEMH (Earth's Mightiest Heroes the Avengers) it was originally planned that that show's Spider-Man, who first appeared in season 2, was supposed to be the same as Spectacular, but, when Disney gave the order for Spectacular to be cancelled, without telling anyone, they got Ultimate Spider-Man's VA to redo the lines for a kind of other show advertisement.
And the video I mentioned, Pillar of Garbage, explained how both could still be Spectacular and EMHA Spectacular without it ruining either continuity.
They ARE the same Peter in a way, just that EMHA's Peter experienced NEAR identical events, but slightly different due to EMHA's world having several clear differences, The Vault being a key example.
What does this mean? EMHA's Spider-Man is the one we see in Spiderverse. He just looks like Spectacular Spider-Man's design because it's who was was originally planned to be and travelling between Earths gives him this odd effect.
It's not the best solution, but it's something better than ruining Spectacular's character as a whole, right?
Ruin?
@dylansharp8471 Spectacular goes from firmly saying "I'll NEVER look away" as a core part of his character to "it hurts, but you HAVE to look away".
Unless he simply wasn't aware Miles' dad wasn't already dead and was talking from that point of view, having Spectacular say Miles needs to let his dad die goes against what Spectacular Spider-Man was
@dylansharp8471 to be clear, I'm not one of the people who saw Spectacular Spider-Man being "ruined" by what happened in the movie, but I noticed enough people complaining about it that, after randomly finding that video, I use its content as a way to placate those people so I don’t have to deal with their arguing why I'm wrong for NOT seeing Spectacular's character being ruined by the movie later.
Like I said, I choose to view it as Spectacular was speaking to Miles from the perspective Miles' dad had already died, unaware the Canon Event had yet to happen.
It just makes sense from his word choice and tone
@@autumbreeze1129
Well Greg Weisman and Josh Keaton sorta have their own reasons.
10:35 Foam Party was also a reference to something Mile's dad said in the first movie.
Across the Spiderverse still holds on to the number one spot for last year. But Nimona blew me away too. I was expecting Spiderverse to be awesome, I got completely sucker punched by how good Nimona was.
3:55 I love how most people (in universe) will assume that's a marijuana reference because most people don't know a person named Mary Jane.
6:17 Not to nitpick but it was most of the Middle East not just the UAE.
9:00 Fun fact that's the way Spider-Man/Peter Parker beat the spot in Spider-Man the Animated Series.
14:16 It takes an iron will to resist making fun of that suit.
20:15 I know they can't see the labels like "Insomniac Spider-Man of Earth-1048" but it would be funny if they did because of course I would love to nitpick how they know Insomniac exist, and how they made the PS4/PS5 Spider-Man games.
21:05 So Immanuel Kant goes up against Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, Henry Sedwick, R. M. Hare, and Peter Singer. By that I do think this is a metaphor where Miles represents Immanuel Kant, Spider-Man 2099 represents Jeremy Bentham, and the Spider-Society represents John Stuart Mill, Henry Sedwick, R. M. Hare, and Peter Singer.
22:09 Spider-Man Noir is getting his own TV show.
This is mostly coming from a Film Theory video, but I see a pretty big hole in Miguel’s logic…he’s trying to stop the breaking of canon, because when he did it, it destroyed the universe he was in…but what he did was replace a version of himself who had died so he could have a family and a happy life, inserting himself into a word where Miguel O'Hara was supposed to be dead. It looks like he’s on the right track when Miles saves Police Inspector Singh and the world starts to collapse, but the world only started to collapse AFTER Miles did that one specific action, however, when we look at miles as Spider-Man, the logic becomes a little hazy…
one of Miguel’s “canon events” is that someone becomes Spider-Man, and if the canon is broken then the world is destroyed. We know that the earth 42 spider was supposed to bite Miles 42, but it didn’t…and that world is still there, it’s gone to shit, but the world itself still exists, and Miles’ world seems to be self-correcting around him.
The way I think it works, is that what Miguel calls Canon Events are actually Incursions, but they’re surprisingly easy to prevent…as long as the Spider who is NATIVE TO THE UNIVERSE IN QUESTION is the one that breaks the canon, everything will be fine.
A recurring line in this movie is “I can do both” (save one important person and the bystanders)…I think the lesson of the next move will be something like “you can’t do both…not without help”
23:31 I always saw it as a reference to the first movie’s “don’t watch the mouth, watch the hands”
Surprised you didn't make a Morbius joke about Miguel getting ready to bite Vulture during their fight scene. I know you made the joke about the Spot meeting Morbius, but I was waiting for a joke about Vulture and Morbius teaming up and THAT was how it would end up for them.
Those opening notes of Am I Dreaming are still so damn iconic. So dramatic, epic, and leaves you feeling uneasy and ominous about what’s coming in Beyond.
20:54 The thing is, miles had an uncel ben moment alredy, he saw his uncel die hee had his tragdey
But he was a criminal
@@EggFighterXB- okay? That dosent mean it wasn't a tragdery for miles to learn that a man hide to kill him was his favorite fammiy meber and then see them die.
@@COOLERthenU But in Miguel's eyes comparing him to Uncle Ben is atrocious, Miles' uncle is a bad person
@@EggFighterXB- ???? That has nothing to do with me pointing out that doug is wrong to label miles a spiderman without tragedy
@@COOLERthenU I guess in Doug's eyes as well then
Sorry to hear about the studio. Hopefully you'll find a new place soon! But in the meantime YAY more Buster and Chaplin in the videos! 😺
23:14 I thought the exact same thing. When I first saw it on the big screen I think my jaw broke the sound barrier with how fast it dropped.
I'm a little surprised that Doug didn't make the connection between symbolism behind the two cakes and the main driving force in the climax of the film:
Miles initially gets told that he can't have his cake and eat it, too, and answers with "Unless you buy two cakes." He then gets two cakes for his dad and ends up ruining both.
Later in the film, Miles is told that his father has to die to save the multiverse. He then claims that he can save his dad AND the multiverse at the same time, once again attempting to have his cake and eat it, too, in a way.
Ah a lot of people miss this because they want Miles to stick it to the "Big Bad" Miguel/authority.
They actually teased the twist of the spider not being from Miles' dimension back in the first movie. The spider was glitching just like the other spider-people were because they weren't in the proper dimension. That realization hit me like a bus and I love that what seems to be minor details turn out to have huge impacts. I just freaking love these Spider-Verse movies.
I’m glad people are finally waking up and seeing how good the Spider-Verse movies are! I’ve gone YEARS of hearing people toss aside Into the Spider-Verse because it’s animated and “looks weird” despite me saying that it’s the best Spider-Man movie ever made, only for them to FINALLY be convinced to watch it once Across the Spider-Verse came out and everyone was talking about how amazing it is. It’s very cathartic knowing that people finally respect these movies enough to nearly give it a billion dollar box office during its theatrical run
Great review, Loved the movie Also, but missed a bit spotlight on the work conditions for the animators, Phil Lord and many other directors on these animations projects can’t decide things based on simple drawings like a pre vis, so the animators Can have made a couple of minutes of the movie complete done with all work and get asked to change it all because the director wanted too add a Giant new change storywise or camera. So massive respect to the animators for working under these conditions.
For the NEXT next villain, we need Allister Smyth. We give him a Go Home Machine, he reverse engineers it to make Spider-Slayers, he sends it to other dimensions to kill Spider-Men, so we have Miles trying to hop through different dimensions to save mismatched Spider-Men.
A Wonderful Fact: When the Lord & Miller logo glitches at the beginning, it briefly shows a version of the logo on a dog collar. This is the variant used for Strays (2023), another Lord & Miller production that came out two months later.
One thing i love about the Spot is after he lost a power to make Spot,the body looks like a rough sketch. One thing i love animation.
Lost a power?
@@dylansharp8471 Like there's no hole (or spot) left in his body.
I really wish they kept in the deleted scenes of the spot getting bullied by spidey villains then returning and fighting every single one of them cuz it explains where he was for like an hour
Something I love about the spiderverse movies are that they EARNED the pg rating.
Nowadays, most kids movies get a pg rating for little to no reason even if they are much tamer than the g rated kids films of yesteryear.
For example, Hunchback Of Notre Dame has themes of lust, racism, a scene where the villain tries to murder a baby in the first 10 minutes after killing the babies mother, a song where the villain sings about how he doesn't want to go to hell for his lust towards someone, genocide, etc. And that movie got a g rating. Madagascar has Marty say sugar honey iced tea, and it gets a pg rating.
However, just like Puss In Boots 2, the spiderverse movies actually earn the rating due to more mature content.
I love how the spiderverse movies are taking risks to evolve animated movies.
It's almost like ratings are broad, arbitrary, and meaningless.
21:52 especially because there’s a loud group of people that don’t think Miles deserves to BE Spider-Man
Is anyone else hoping that WB gets their act together and lets that possible animated Batman Beyond movie happen? The one that was pitched by one of the animation leads for these Spider-Verse movies? Because golly, it's a PERFECT opportunity. Visually because the artstyle goes so well with Terrys suit and every other aspect about Neo Gotham, and if you're looking for a big box office, people have been begging for years and years to get one of these meaning many opportunities for his world to catch up with ours. The theatres would flood. If James Gunn thinks otherwise, he's nuts.
21:00 one of the problems I have with this is. Miles already had his "Canon Even" in the first film with his Uncle. Why should his dad be added on to that too?
You're giving some love to Dante Basco and Janet Varneys podcast? You have to get Korras voice into one of these reviews!
23:46, that was my main problem with the movie, since that is not an ending. And my problem with movies whose endings are set-up for sequels is that they live and die based on whether or not their sequels were good pay-offs
Come again?
@@dylansharp8471 Transformers 2, Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Fantastic Beasts 2, The Last Jedi, Batman vs Superman, The Last Airbender. Each of them was written to be the movie to which another movie was a sequel instead of telling its own story. I can’t stand that. So Spider-Verse 2 being a movie that was written to set up the next movie instead of telling its own story is (as a result) a major source of frustration for me.
There was always going to be a cliffhanger, though. Originally this was titled as a "part 1" until the second part was retitled to Beyond the Spider-verse.
@@Sea-Salt In that case, they should have actually kept a Part One in the title but they didn’t therefore my point still stands
I'm sorry to hear about the Studio Doug. You only just got it back up and running, and you're back to square one again. I hope you and the gang find a new studio to film in soon.
Also, Across the Spiderverse rules, man :)
during the beginning part with Gwen, the shots of Miles are from her perspective of how she sees him, having slightly bigger and shinier eyes. it’s one of my favourite details in this movie
I will say I prefer the first one because it feels like a complete story. My biggest gripe with across the spiderverse is that it feels like the middle movie setting up a sequel vs being a full movie that has more to follow. With that said i think once the third one comes out 2 and 3 together will be my favorite and one will just be the cool jumping off point that showed what was possible.
I have watched Across The Spider-Verse like 10 times already. It is one of my favorite movies ever and when part 3 comes out, no one is going to care about the cliffhanger. I don’t think there is a way they could have made this self-contained without basically cutting out the first half of the movie and literally having the Miles following Gwen into the Indian Spider-Man dimension be the first scene in the movie
Random detail that a lot of people I have spoke to seem to miss - Gwen’s story is running parallel to Miles’. They’re both trying to save their dad.
“A police captain close to Spider-Man has to die”. Gwen abandoned her home in an attempt to keep him safe, since no Spider-Man means no need to die. This was one of the reasons why she was so desperate to keep Miguel happy, follow the system, and got frustrated at Miles’ attempts to change things…if she got sent home with no way to leave, then her dad would die.
I saw some people call her a brat for risking her friendship with Miles just to “avoid talking to her dad” when she believed that following the system was the only way to save him.
It’s one of the reasons she’s so quick to change sides after her dad steps down as police captain, because she saw for the first time that going off story is possible, and that the system doesn’t have to play out the way Miguel thinks it does. That maybe Miles was actually right and isn’t risking destroying everything
I really love the LEGO universe in this movie because I love legos and it’s really interesting that the guy who did the LEGO trailer version of this movie was hired to animate the LEGO scene. Boy, this movie is the one of the best things I’ve ever seen from last year alongside Oppenheimer
The end credits sequence was amazing. Every character was giant while Miles was small, until he faced the Prowler. Both of the same size.
I absolutely love slowing scenes down just to see whats happening in the background
I personally believe Rio's speech is also foreshadowing how Miles will likely end up saving his alternate self.
Another Fun Fact: The film's opening recap/Previously on segment with Gwen giving a short recounting of the events of Into the Spider-Verse has a few shots of upcoming scenes from the film itself, lacking context, but still containing thematic relevance to her voiceover, such as Captain Stacy trying to arrest Gwen when she says that Miles isn't the only one who "hasn't had it easy" and Miles' betrayed reactions towards Gwen once the truth about Canon Events and his anomalous existence as Spider-Man is revealed to him, as Gwen brokenly says she "didn't want to hurt him". Gwen's dialogue also hints at the film's ending, with her repeated line "And he's not the only one" foreshadowing that Miles will meet another version of himself, and her line about how she thought she "knew the rest but (she) didn't" referring to how Gwen learns that Canon Events can be averted without the destruction of a dimension from her father quitting the force. Likewise, her first lines about "doing things differently this time" set up Gwen's new stance at the film's ending and decision to turn against the Spider-Society and its views with her own allies. Turns out this is actually the speech she's using to recruit people.
Doug could you please bring Sibling Rivalry back? I loved you and Rob bouncing off each other on that segment!
Another Fun Fact: The scene where Peter B. first appears when defending Miles from Miguel you can see behind him what appears to be an unfinished white, red, and black suit, which could be the same second suit Miguel wears in the comics, Funko released a Pop figure of Spider-Byte, but it used an earlier look by character designer Mauro Belfiore that differs from her finalized look, 14-year-old animator Preston Mutanga produced a LEGO version of the film's first full trailer and was subsequently hired to direct the movie's short foray into its own LEGO universe. The film includes Sun-Spider from Spider-Verse (Vol. 3) and End of the Spider-Verse. She was created as a Spider-Sona in the wake of the original movie, when Marvel asked fans to submit their original characters to be featured in the comics, The LEGO universe is stated to be Earth-13122, which is the same official universe name for LEGO Marvel Super Heroes. Neither James Arnold Taylor nor Martin Sherman reprise the role of LEGO Peter Parker, who is instead played by Nic Novicki, Burger King sold a set of six papercraft buildings in their kids' meals, During the theatrical run, two slightly different versions of the movies were playing in theaters, featuring various minor differences in animation, dialogue, music and even credits. One of those has become the "official" version with the home media and digital release while the other now only exists in camrip quality on illegal filesharing sites, Michelle Ruff confirmed on Facebook months after the fact that she was the voice of Mayday Parker, Miles' aunt and Rio's sister briefly shows up at Jeff's party, whose voice is given by Rio's voice actress' twin sister in real life, Lorraine Velez, Editor Andy Leviton added Chris Miller's coughing from 22 Jump Street at the very beginning of the movie as well as an onomatopoeia at the corner of the screen to draw attention to it as a joke. For about three years of production, Leviton kept adding it to every iteration of the film to see if anybody would notice and/or eventually tell him to stop, but Chris Miller told him that he and Phil Lord loved it the first time they saw it, resulting in artist Jeffrey Thompson upgrading the cough sound effect to something more visually interesting and keeping it in the final film, The directors confirmed in an interview that Miguel and many of the characters in the film calling Miles "not a real Spider-Man", constantly forcing him to adhere to canon and limiting the actions that he should be allowed to make, was them commenting on the negative backlash Morales got after becoming Spider-Man; in particular the vocal minority who refuse to see him as worthy of inheriting the mantle and insist on the status quo, The creators have compared the ending of the film to the ending of The Empire Strikes Back, While the Love Triangle aspect between Miles, Gwen, and Hobie was ultimately open-ended within the film itself, Daniel Kaluuya does think that "something was happening", noting the whole fact that Gwen is staying at Hobie's place and Hobie is tolerating the Spider-Society for her sake. In the end, Kaluuya thinks whatever's going on is ultimately between only them, While the Love Triangle aspect between Miles, Gwen, and Hobie was ultimately open-ended within the film itself, Daniel Kaluuya does think that "something was happening", noting the whole fact that Gwen is staying at Hobie's place and Hobie is tolerating the Spider-Society for her sake. In the end, Kaluuya thinks whatever's going on is ultimately between only them, The "First Look" trailer for the movie, back when it was Across the Spider-Verse: Part One, has a number of differences from the final movie. Most notable is that Miles' arrival in Mumbattan and his fight with Miguel were once the same scene, with Miguel tackling Miles out of Mumbattan and into Nueva York's Space Elevator. In the final movie, these two events are made separate and take place in the end of the first act and the climax respectively, Initial reports indicated that Takuya Yamashiro would appear in the movie, but he's nowhere to be found in the release. Given comments from Chris Miller, however, he likely ended up being saved for Beyond the Spider-Verse, as he was announced before the sequel was officially split into two films, The film initially had a post-credits scene starring the Spot. It was scrapped because the filmmakers felt it ruined the tone of the main movie's cliffhanger and, at that point in production, it would have been a confusing Orphaned Reference to an earlier scene that they already cut (the earlier scene would have seen the Spot go to a Bad Guy Bar and be relentlessly mocked, with the post-credits scene having him return to curbstomp everyone with his upgraded powers), Mayday's concept art shows she was originally planned to have heterochromia at one point unlike her comic counterpart, with her left eye being brown like her father's and the right being blue like her mother's. By the second trailer, however, this has been scrapped, as she retains the blue eyes of her comic book counterpart. Her hair in the concept art is also noticeably different from how it looks in the second trailer, as it is shorter and sports a darker shade of red akin to Mary Jane's hair color, Both Spider-Byte's Funko Pop! figurine and official PVC figure show a completely different design compared to the final design in the movie, which more closely resembles her suit from the comics. Both figurines feature a blue and red circuitry-inspired suit, long robotic arms and a completely different hairstyle. In the final film, her design has been completely reinvented, with a new purple color scheme and her hair tied back into buns. The fact that this design made it into the official merchandise suggests that this design was scrapped late into the movie's development, Another deleted scene had Miles following Gwen while invisible to a construction site where he sees her talking to the holograms of not only Jess, but Miguel and other members of the Spider-society as well. He would eventually show himself to their surprise, directly asking Miguel's hologram why he couldn't be part of the Society and being rejected. He and Gwen would talk directly with Gwen telling Miles she had no choice in doing what Miguel ordered and that Miles had a better thing going with his parents than she did in the Society anyway. This version also appears to not have included Gwen and Miles' swing around the city as Miles reveals his suit to Miguel and Gwen refers to it as if she hadn't seen it before.