@Prince Cooper not nessarily, there are gesture controls you can customize linux however you want, all you have to do is install it. I would perfer a Debian 11 custom solution myself. Imagine an Openbox/tint2 option. Throw in a custom scaling config to match the phone's native resolution. I just might do it myself.
I am a very security awared person so this phone would be an awesome thing to have. But if this phone do not have 5G capable, then it is a dinosaur. 4G will be turned off by all of the major carrier very soon. I mean I got text sent to me that by law 4G will be turned off. Maybe that was 3G but in any case, 4G is soon to follow. If PinePhone Pro do not have 5G capable, then I will have to pass for now. I will wait till it is 5G capable.
I don't really care about fancy animations etc. so the phone is ok for me. I mostly tho just enjoy tinkering around on it. I use DWM as the window manger and more of went with the concept of just having my own menu, than relieing on application guis. Also compileing my own windowmanager natively on my phone is cool.
The design is just so…. Dated. I’d consider it if it had a nicer, maybe curved display will small bezels if any. I currently use an s21 ultra so idk if I could handle such a downgrade Edit: cameras, also it needs good cameras
Lol you can install linux on any android phone , the thing is that the pinephone specs are very low compared to asus rog phone ultimate wich may have up to 18gb ram and 512GB nand drives a video card with 4 video cores hmm and they install a desktop os ? Y mean y have galaxy s20fe exynos 990 ARM Mali G77MP11 (11 Kerne) 8 gb ram ai cpu for machine learning lol even android it to powerful for that hardware
Great alternative for stock android if *WE* polish usability better. Ping 64 doesn’t do any software development, only hardware. The software the phone runs is developed voluntarily by ordinary people.
i think there's only so much that can be done when it comes to polishing gnu/linux apps. they weren't designed for the limited resources of a smartphone and have no idea of the sort of life-cycle needed to best make use of these resources. This is where android apps have a huge advantage.
i have been daily driving my pinephone for almost 2 years now and i LOOVVEEE IT i have waited FOR EVER for a viable option without CRAPPLE and android and i can not WAIT for the PPP :)
@@zmc9403 If your only or main concern is a "mobile OS that runs smoothly", the Pinephone Pro will probably fix that, because most limitations that caused stuttering and lagginess are hardware related.
I have one of the pinephones, but battery life is a big problem and the biggest downside is I wasn't able to use electron apps at the time. Other than that for just a phone it seems like a no brainer calls and texts no spyware.
I’ve been an Apple user for years. I’m looking to move away from evil big tech overlords..and Apple proposing a back door to snoop our phones. A non iOS or Android phone will be my next purchase.
You left Apple when they're at all time high? They have low times like others where innovation stalls. But now they're destroying Qualcomm, Intel and everyone else with their SoC.
If there was one Android phone manufacturer that always has unlocked bootloaders, and gives you the option to uninstall google apps on first setup. They'd have my support.
@@leonidas14775 this is what Huawei should do when they got cut off by the US. Imagine then they said, "ok, we just going to unlock our phone and let user do everything." At least for the International market.
I think this will show the true potential of Linux phones, which hopefully will lead to improvements that allow more to switch. In other words, a great step in the right direction
If the PinePhone Pro can do the following, I'll be able to use it as a full on replacement: 1). Flawless phone and SMS 2). Usable Firefox/Brave experience 3). GPS navigation 4). At least 16hrs of battery If it can't do those, it will still be a great device, but I wouldn't be able to afford it.
I agree, but I'm ok without the firefox experience. (to some degree) That is a weak point for tracking. (your phone has the embedded identifier unique to it) When that gets associated with the browser finger print tracking is possible. I use open maps for GPS with degoogled phones, which has been ok...being used to maps I can make do easy enough. Battery life and software is the real downside I see with current hardware, so hopefully the pro fixes that.
From what i see most people here care mostly about the privacy aspect of having a open source OS but I’m honestly more interested in a different aspect. I would just like to be able to have the convince of running a full Linux with all the terminal and stuff form my phone. Also easy to extend hardware would be a plus too (like sockets for different type of usb and other cables and so on)
Id really love to get one. However its crucial to be able to run certain apps for daily life that only comes as android. So it would require emulation and ability to install android apps like mobile tickets for transport, a sort of MFA app we use in my country and mobile pay and others. For it to be viable for me to get.
While the idea seems cool, I really wish they had an extra switch to toggle WiFi and Bluetooth separately, I never use Bluetooth so id like to keep it disabled without disabling WiFi, not sure if they're the same chip or what, but just think it would be nice.
Yes both are run from the same module based on a realtek product, not sure you have much playroom to separate the two in a phone... But i can understand the want
I got the Mobian edition just to support Linux phones in general. I've tinkered around with many different environments but they all need tightening up. The odd thing is, as blisteringly slow as it is, once things finish loading the performance surprised me (specifically Retroarch). Anyway, I'm excited for this revision but hope the software experience has been optimized. I might pick this one up as well.
Hi, I'm waiting for my first Pine phone to arrive, I'm up on Linux OS on computers and fairly tech savvy on all things Torval orientated. Do you have any tips for a nuby to get going on the mobile platform? There's stuff on the web but you know what its like trawling through the swamp, I just want a fairly quick win to make sure jumping from Apple phone/tablet/watch was going to be a good idea! Thanks.
What can you optimize if you have low hardware y mean even exynos 990 is way better than pinephone specs the video card on exynos 990 has 11 video cores lol sorry but that is a toy what pinephone want to sell
The PinePhone in general seems more or less ready as a piece of hardware (and the Pro version looks promising but of course we'll have to wait) but the software still doesn't seem there yet. Once the PinePhone Pro is available for the layperson I might get one as a curiosity but I don't expect it to become my new daily driver.
@@kittencure I've got a PinePhone myself (postmarketOS edition) but I don't feel ready to daily drive it. Might check out the PinePhone Pro when it comes out though.
@@adriancoanda9227 The ROG Phone and PinePhone target completely different niches. The ROG Phone is intended as an Android gaming phone. The PinePhone is meant to be an entry to mid level phone that in its current state, is more of a platform for Linux phone tinkerers.
I genuinely cannot wait to get my hands on one of these devices. The simple ability to take my desktop on the go is a convenience which seems unreal in the hands of penetration testers. If we could obtain a pinephone with perhaps 2-3 more gb of ram, we could be holding in our hands a pentester's dream device! However, as of now 4 gb of ram is still powerful enough to run most if not all pentesting tools so I most definitely will be getting a hold of one of these bad boys as soon as possible!
a physical killswitch for wifi is important, as even with wifi disabled on iphones and androids, they still pulse wifi constantly (tested in labs). Wifi is the current way to track any user location even with location disabled, this is not limited to evesdropping either. I have high hopes these killswitches become the norm, thou google or apple will never impliment them ever
Excellent video and much appreciated from Doha. Can you use normal social apps like WhatApp, Messenger, Skype, Teams, Zoom, Google Meet in regular basis?
Im kind of a Linux novice, and am not incredibly experienced with using the Terminal, as an example. However, searching for what you need is very helpful and as most everything most would need is in the Software Manager, and easy to use, it made the transition effortless. Im not sure how technical your knowledge would need to be for a Pinephone, but most likely while it would be an advantage I have to question what about being a Linux user would make the transition to using the phone easier? Am I simply ignorant? It seems simple enough most of the time, honestly, to where most should be able to use Linux with no trouble.
This can be a worthy alternative to Android. I saw a video of someone running desktop GIMP software inside Manjaro Phosh Desktop Mode from his vanilla PinePhone and I'm totally amazed by its performance. At this point, the likes of Samsung DeX and Motorola Ready For suddenly become irrelevant.
I was gonna say why not try the Fairphone since it seems like it has better specs and they say you install any phone os you want but those kill switches are an amazing feature
Physical hardware kill switches ought to be mandatory on all digital devices. My only complaint is that the Pine Phone's aren't as readily accessible as those on Librem's theoretical phones. One shouldn't have to disassemble their phone to get to them.
It is rude to flash messages so fast they can't be read. With a lot of hard work, I was able to read the rant at 0:18 : We ordered a Librem 5 at full price in early 2019 & have yet to hear of its existence. It was supposed to *begin* shipping in late 2020 and we're still waiting. Even if it ships, it's overpriced to death, underpowered, incomplete, and is thicker than probably two modern phones. Do yourself a favor and don't buy this until people actually get their hands on one.
One thing that im curious is updates now that its becoming a actually useful phone is updates they need to specify the amount of updates they plan on giving or if there just going to basically support it forever like desktop linux
yeah it's nice that the devs call it smooth but I'm curious how well it does in the hands of reviewers. Don't want to run into the same hardware limitations like my current Pinephone has just to buy a pinephone pro pro next year to solve that again :p
Hey Henry I don't know anything about the pine phone pro but Louis Rossmann had a pine phone before he bought one he has it on of his channels either Louis Rossmann random live or Louis Rossmann here on TH-cam
I think this is a really interesting project and I'm happy that people exist who spend time and effort working on it. Personally I'd like to support them and buy the product, but i'd prefer to use AOSP because of the huge amount of work that has gone in to optimisation for the limited resources of a smartphone. Maybe the Fairphone would be a better fit for me. It's also really nice to see how many comments there are under this video. This is obviously a topic that interests a lot of people.
The software stack really needs to improve a lot on Linux phones. So I hope these Pinephone Pro devices get more developers on board. Linux phones can become a great alternative in the future while even staying compatible with some typical Android apps through Anbox or Waydroid. Native applications already run great on the Pinephone in my opinion. Sure it lags a bit because the GPU isn't great and the memory speeds aren't particular high. But Pine64 seems to address those points with the Pinephone Pro. So it's heading in the right direction.
What can you improve on this low specs? Check asus rog phone ultimate it way 10x better at performance y mean it supports windows 11 arm64, y have a samsung galaxy s21fe wich y have android 11, and ubuntu arm64 21.10 kde-full 5 23 lol but y have the hardware to support and desktop os,
I don't understand why we need a pure Linux phone when we already have Android. Just fork Android and remove/add any features you want to it. The Linux community should be supporting Android not competing with it.
Wrong. Android may use Linux kernel, but it changes so much that it not even considered a Linux distro. Heck, even the upcoming Fuchsia OS completely ditches Linux and use their own proprietary kernel.
@@farishanafiah8461 I guess you are right. Android has too many features and API on top of it to call it pure Linux these days. But on the other hand if anyone tries to create an pure linux based OS that is a good competitor againt Android then it will be tough.
To me it's more worth it currently to run android then install linux in termux so i get better app support on both ends of the spectum, once anbox gets better i'd definitely go for a linux phone though.
Probably not, very off-topic for our channel. Great product though, & comes included with Studio on B&H currently. So no reason not to get it if you're purchasing Studio.
@@TLM860 Yes indeed, that is a problem. On the other hand, no country has fully phased out all of their older-than-4G networks. Germany keeps 2G, others like Switzerland keep 3G running for still quite some time, so I experience it as still possible to do phone calls with my Sailfish X. And I think Jolla gets their stuff going and implements VoLTE in one of the next versions, I bet 2 years from now it will be usable.
@@TLM860 I have no idea how it is in the US, but here in Germany, we still have pretty good 2G coverage - that network was the one with the best coverage anyways, and 3G is being turned off, but 2G/GSM will stay on for an indefinite amount of time, just because there are so many industrial communications systems that rely on that, pretty much every elevator's emergency-call system and so on, so there are no plans of actually deactivating 2G. 3G is now gone though, and I don't even miss it. OK, I notice that while on a phone call, I don't have internet, but meh, that's rarely ever needed.
it can’t run Subway Surfers? *cries in Temple Run* But seriously, a good step in the right direction for Linux phones. Hope to see some more improvements to this phone and maybe some other Linux-based phones will come to the smartphone market
give me more CPU and battery and I'm in. rockchips are a pain in the ass, give me a core m3-7y32 for less power consumption and better performance, maybe double the ram, and forget about trying to make it as thin as a normal smart phone. I'm willing to compromise a lot more on form factor and pay a lot more than they're targeting to get out of Google's ecosystem. edit: oh, and faster storage. emmc is excruciating.
@@kexec. trying to understand the state of linux on mobility; as in is it possible to port another OS, what apps are already out there, what are the current challenges in general etc
I have always loved the pinephones, for running a normal linux os on them, since this allows running actual full software and more custom controll and such. also it can run softwares from other operating systems like android, ios, windows, bsd, ds, ps1, etc. however currently I am mostly excited about the pinedio lora, even though I hope they will embed it in the next generation of the pinephone since that would cause a wide adoption of lora and probably also lora mesh networking, which essentially is like a decentralized version of mobile networks allowing uncontrolled, uncensored, and subscription free and not having to depend on infrastructure or hoping there is not power outage at the cellphone tower, way of mobile communication. if the pinephone next / pinephone 2 would use it by default(especially if it also has a budged version and/or a very high performance option, where it actually can be a great alternative for a desktop and do things like blender and such well) then many people would start using it which would start a revolution making that the new standard, since right now celuar companies have a monpoly and also use centralized propetairy networks, adding lora in them by default would shoot the mobile age into a new era. ofcource the current ones are capable of it using that module (pinedio), and while it is actually very cheap, it is still something somoene has to manually decide to get, install and set up on their devices, also I do not know for sure if it allows sending through of the pine connector since otherwise it would use that blocking other modules, getting it in as a default just would push the technology and also make the pinephone a true masterpiece for people seeking mobile freedom or privacy. those are 2 of it's great things, privacy and freedom, and modularity and actually being able to run real software. android and IOS phones have insane hardware sometimes but they only allow limited apps, I remember having a 10 core smartphone back in 2016, turned out the soc vendor had the soc closed source, so rooting it or adding linux on it wasn't really doable without things like reverse enginearing or just guessing and hoping those guesses are right and won't brick the phone, by now that soc vendor changed that but back then that meant I was stuck with android on that phone. I never really got a real befit from that high end hardware, except for that I could run all games well in high settings(despite them often giving warnings or defaulting to low since they didn't know the soc), but if I wanted to actually do something on that phone for which you would want high performance, like video editing, blender, programming, making things in general, it just won't work since on android and IOS you don't have apps for that, and the apps like it are often heavily limited and optimized for noobs instead of people wanting actual freedom or to do things. the pinephone on the other hand had low end hardware but still was and is faster than the worlds fastest android and ios smartphone(except for if you would root them and install linux on them) since android and IOS phones are just so locked down you can't really do anything with them despite their high end hardware. so if I want to edit a video, sure the first pinephone would be slow compared to pc, but on android and ios you can't even do it, making the pinephone around infinite times as fast, well unless you only want to use one of those automovie maker apps where it just automatically glues the videos together but allows no actual controll or editing(well in the past IOS had some actual editing apps, but most of them disapeared or got banned from the appstore since many iphones would get stuck due to not being fast enough to handle them, and apple didn't like that, but while they allowed some controll they also where very speciffic, like adding in speciffic cgi or a speciffic type of effects. on the pinephone you can actually do things, it is basically a complete computer in your pocket. in my case actually my parents wanted me to get a samsung phone, since my old phone broke after it fell down the trailer slope in the harbour and landed on the ridge of a concrete plate with some sharp rocks below it and some truck with a trailer drove over it causing the aluminium back to be warped and the screen cracked and pieces falling out the sides, I told them that is normal for phones if that happens to them but they got mad and said it was because it wasn't a samsung phone but a unknown brand(already had it for longer than a samsung phone would typically last when this happened, around 5 years or so. the phone actually still worked but the touchscreen didn't work well anymore especially after I tried to repair it by adding in a thin alcohol based epoxy like substance to prevent pieces of glass falling out of the screen, having the touchscreen barely work made it pretty hard to use sometimes, when I got the phone they wanted me to get, I noticed it is insanely slow, having also lower specs than the pinephone, with having only 4 super slow cores, 2gb of ram and around 2 gb internal storage(16gb on paper but 14 gb is already filled with nonsense you can't remove) in 2021 this was concidered a mid/midlow end android phone, so the pinephones specs where quite okay, but ofcource many people would want to use the pinephone like a full pc, and the pinephone 1 didn't have a lot of support from vendors or drivers, having only community made and ported stuff in general and some linux distros helping, but this means little support for thigns like video acceleration and hardware acceleration. the pinephone pro, actually does have a lot of this support, so while it's hardware while faster doesn't seem to much faster, it's performance should be faster by a insane lot due to already much work being done by hobbyists, developers, and linux developers in the pinephone 1, and now for this phone rockchip actually helping with the development and even making a customized chip for the phone, as well as having way less heat and power issues than the pinephone 1, and probably being far more likely to have good hardware acceletation support. even though somehow I am still also concidering the pinephone 1, but that is mostly since the convergence package also includes the dock which I really like so I can connect mouse and keyboard. but I know for my use the pro probably makes more sense, since it is just faster, and such, and that way I can try to get more complex softwares running on it, also the low power standby is usefull, and I would need to order the pinedio seperate anyway, so could as well order the dock seperate as well, only main difference would be that it would be around 2.25 times the price of the normal pinephone for not to much more of the things I mostly care about, since the old pinephone also has many things and it being less stable and fancy isn't as big of a problem to me, but on the other hand, getting the pro also would be good so pine64 has more money to work with, and so rockchip also gets rewarded more for helping with the project, and since it might stimulate that which I still hope them to make sometime. aka. a single board cluster high performance compute unit, essentially a sbc or pinephone or pinebook or such. but then it is optimized to have a lot of raw potential compute power for cheap, so not meant to be fast in genera use, but fast for server use or for example blender or such, so while all could be a single many core chip, it could also in order to save cost just be one main chip and then many chips which are controlled kind of like a more direct acces cluster computer, just to have a lot of compute and AI power and such.
I've tested pretty much the majority of the OS and IMO and I think it's a DD option if you want basic necessities. So far Ubuntu touch is the coolest looking one an I'm waiting for another distro to come out in December. Arch (I run btw) is also a really nice option.
I got the original Pinephone just to play around with it, and in principle I would love a Linux phone, or viable alternative to iPhone / Android. But yeah, it's a terrible experience using a desktop OS crammed into a phone screen. Many apps literally just go off the edge of the screen because they don't scale down, and even many of the apps marked "mobile friendly" are still not done right.
there is waydroid and adding MicroG into it makes the cons with the apps and app stores not a con anymore and using the Aurorastore (Accountless Google play store) and AuroraDroid(F-droid store it is a opensource application store) and with a Android 11 image do you have hardware acceleration
@@knerduno5942 Hi. I finally got a PinePhone BETA (no convergence - only 2GB, not 3GB). On it, Ubuntu ran smooth, but slow, and difficult to install Linux desktop software. Arch Phosh was the fastest. Mobian was almost as fast & had better Node.JS support.
I'm using Ubuntu touch on a nexus 5/works great and i paid 50$ for it 2 years ago I Also have a pixel 4 with lineage OS but I prefer my little Linux phone for some reason. Lol
generally a good idea but in my opinion... a bit too expensive, maybe I would buy it for $249 - $269 I don't know if it wouldn't be easier to make a phone dedicated to AOSP it's nice that it can be connected to a monitor hardware switches are another advantage
While it is a hefty price tag for a linux phone in all reality they aren't making that much off of you. Generally phone manufacturers such as samsung have pre-installed bloatware (like carrier apps/locking) and have other ways to profit off of you this company gets and is aiming for is at the point of sale. That money does have to come from somewhere unfortunately.
Telegram comes with Manjaro Phosh images for Pinephone and Signal should work if it has support for ARM processors. Brave doesn't since their Linux packages are only for AMD/Intel.
@@rafradeki Yeah I know you could disable it via siftware. I just think that if there are good alternatives on hardware components that can make this option possible they should do it.
Not to bash the phone, but gorilla glass 5 is out... and for the price i pciked up a galaxy s10+ with 512gb storage for $375.... if they releasing pro, i hope it would compete if not beat this s10+
1) It should be able to dual boot Android and desktop Linux, so users aren't stuck not being able to run an app. 2) The linux distro it ships with must have a killer app. Otherwise people are better off sticking with Android.
@Techlore In response to your rant @ 0:19, I was sent the Librem 5 USA for review and I think it's a piece of overpriced crap. So from someone who actually has the device, do not buy it!
I wonder if CalyxOS would run on this just fine. I would prefer having the hardware kill switches (with the Pixels don't have); even better would be if one didn't have to disassemble his or her phone to get to them. It would be nice if Pine64 addressed this design flaw in future versions.
The Apple ecosystem is very nice and hard to want to leave. Keep in mind I’m older so I don’t care as much about privacy anymore (security: of course yes). It feels like a losing battle but you younger folks keep up the good fight. I have background in Linux so it is interesting…
Have u tried opening the iPhone 12 & 13? They have made repairs a nightmare. At least I know you can’t change the camera 🎥 without troubles…. This will boost Linux phones especially if the hunk their pro repair strategy and link it to climate change ✊🏾
The biggest problem of linux phones is that for some reason they all do the same mistake of having a heavy duty desktop like system on very weak hardware
All the powerful mobile processors require Android drivers and running Linux with libhybris, which means that you have to use proprietary blobs and a kernel which can't be updated, because Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung, etc. no longer support the driver. Using a weaker processor from Rockchip, NXP or Allwinner is a far better option.
@@amosbatto3051 that's my point, if the hardware is weaker you need to streamline as much as possible the OS, but look at Pure for instance, it's a carbon copy of just their desktop variant.
The midrange bit is a bit of an over statement... The specs are definitely higher low end... a snapdragon 6xx or 7xx device will absolutely trash it and newer 4xx devices as well... I guess if you buy this, it doesn't matter to you.
@@farishanafiah8461 But most people will "emulate" android on it to run android apps which will result in lower performance even if it's technically not emulating since it's arm and android can use the same kernel as the Linux distro.
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I would install chrome and use fullscreen pwa apps. I believe appimages match resolution and run Stacer as a clean up app on phone.
@Prince Cooper not nessarily, there are gesture controls you can customize linux however you want, all you have to do is install it. I would perfer a Debian 11 custom solution myself. Imagine an Openbox/tint2 option. Throw in a custom scaling config to match the phone's native resolution.
I just might do it myself.
I am a very security awared person so this phone would be an awesome thing to have. But if this phone do not have 5G capable, then it is a dinosaur. 4G will be turned off by all of the major carrier very soon. I mean I got text sent to me that by law 4G will be turned off. Maybe that was 3G but in any case, 4G is soon to follow. If PinePhone Pro do not have 5G capable, then I will have to pass for now. I will wait till it is 5G capable.
I don't really care about fancy animations etc. so the phone is ok for me. I mostly tho just enjoy tinkering around on it. I use DWM as the window manger and more of went with the concept of just having my own menu, than relieing on application guis. Also compileing my own windowmanager natively on my phone is cool.
The design is just so…. Dated. I’d consider it if it had a nicer, maybe curved display will small bezels if any. I currently use an s21 ultra so idk if I could handle such a downgrade
Edit: cameras, also it needs good cameras
Great alternative for stock android if they polish usability better.
Lol you can install linux on any android phone , the thing is that the pinephone specs are very low compared to asus rog phone ultimate wich may have up to 18gb ram and 512GB nand drives a video card with 4 video cores hmm and they install a desktop os ? Y mean y have galaxy s20fe exynos 990 ARM Mali G77MP11 (11 Kerne) 8 gb ram ai cpu for machine learning lol even android it to powerful for that hardware
Great alternative for stock android if *WE* polish usability better.
Ping 64 doesn’t do any software development, only hardware. The software the phone runs is developed voluntarily by ordinary people.
@@kangerer8886 not with standard tools but all phones from 2020 and newer supports linux arm64
i think there's only so much that can be done when it comes to polishing gnu/linux apps. they weren't designed for the limited resources of a smartphone and have no idea of the sort of life-cycle needed to best make use of these resources. This is where android apps have a huge advantage.
i have been daily driving my pinephone for almost 2 years now and i LOOVVEEE IT i have waited FOR EVER for a viable option without CRAPPLE and android and i can not WAIT for the PPP :)
What OS are you running? I‘ve been looking at FOSS alternatives to an iPhone, but haven’t seen any Linux ones that run smoothly.
@@zmc9403 If your only or main concern is a "mobile OS that runs smoothly", the Pinephone Pro will probably fix that, because most limitations that caused stuttering and lagginess are hardware related.
How is the call quality? can it send and receive texts?
@@TLM860 Call quality is decent texting is completely fine
I have one of the pinephones, but battery life is a big problem and the biggest downside is I wasn't able to use electron apps at the time. Other than that for just a phone it seems like a no brainer calls and texts no spyware.
I’ve been an Apple user for years. I’m looking to move away from evil big tech overlords..and Apple proposing a back door to snoop our phones. A non iOS or Android phone will be my next purchase.
You left Apple when they're at all time high? They have low times like others where innovation stalls. But now they're destroying Qualcomm, Intel and everyone else with their SoC.
hope you can do it
@@bltzcstrnx yep,they beat the crap out of their old partner intel with the m1
If there was one Android phone manufacturer that always has unlocked bootloaders, and gives you the option to uninstall google apps on first setup. They'd have my support.
@@leonidas14775 this is what Huawei should do when they got cut off by the US. Imagine then they said, "ok, we just going to unlock our phone and let user do everything." At least for the International market.
I think this will show the true potential of Linux phones, which hopefully will lead to improvements that allow more to switch. In other words, a great step in the right direction
When they have the infinity screens/ screens like modern phones then people will try it.
If the PinePhone Pro can do the following, I'll be able to use it as a full on replacement:
1). Flawless phone and SMS
2). Usable Firefox/Brave experience
3). GPS navigation
4). At least 16hrs of battery
If it can't do those, it will still be a great device, but I wouldn't be able to afford it.
I agree, but I'm ok without the firefox experience. (to some degree) That is a weak point for tracking. (your phone has the embedded identifier unique to it) When that gets associated with the browser finger print tracking is possible. I use open maps for GPS with degoogled phones, which has been ok...being used to maps I can make do easy enough. Battery life and software is the real downside I see with current hardware, so hopefully the pro fixes that.
It has all four items now. Enjoy the PinePhome!
16 hours? That's more than any flagship out rn, except for that weird energizer smartphone
You can just carry more batteries:0
Could you elaborate on the "I don't have a computer" part? I never even thought that was an option lol
I would love to see a video about that
not even a raspberry pi
From what i see most people here care mostly about the privacy aspect of having a open source OS but I’m honestly more interested in a different aspect. I would just like to be able to have the convince of running a full Linux with all the terminal and stuff form my phone. Also easy to extend hardware would be a plus too (like sockets for different type of usb and other cables and so on)
it would be so awsome if i could just do a quick pacman -S and get everything i need
what do you mean "because i don't have a computer for myself" .. ?
I'm sure he means he doesn't have a computer
How does he make the videos?
Id really love to get one. However its crucial to be able to run certain apps for daily life that only comes as android. So it would require emulation and ability to install android apps like mobile tickets for transport, a sort of MFA app we use in my country and mobile pay and others. For it to be viable for me to get.
This is a computer first and they phone second as smart phones always should have been from the start
While the idea seems cool, I really wish they had an extra switch to toggle WiFi and Bluetooth separately, I never use Bluetooth so id like to keep it disabled without disabling WiFi, not sure if they're the same chip or what, but just think it would be nice.
Yes both are run from the same module based on a realtek product, not sure you have much playroom to separate the two in a phone... But i can understand the want
3:25 a more recent project is waydroid
I got the Mobian edition just to support Linux phones in general. I've tinkered around with many different environments but they all need tightening up. The odd thing is, as blisteringly slow as it is, once things finish loading the performance surprised me (specifically Retroarch). Anyway, I'm excited for this revision but hope the software experience has been optimized. I might pick this one up as well.
Hi, I'm waiting for my first Pine phone to arrive, I'm up on Linux OS on computers and fairly tech savvy on all things Torval orientated. Do you have any tips for a nuby to get going on the mobile platform? There's stuff on the web but you know what its like trawling through the swamp, I just want a fairly quick win to make sure jumping from Apple phone/tablet/watch was going to be a good idea! Thanks.
What can you optimize if you have low hardware y mean even exynos 990 is way better than pinephone specs the video card on exynos 990 has 11 video cores lol sorry but that is a toy what pinephone want to sell
The PinePhone in general seems more or less ready as a piece of hardware (and the Pro version looks promising but of course we'll have to wait) but the software still doesn't seem there yet. Once the PinePhone Pro is available for the layperson I might get one as a curiosity but I don't expect it to become my new daily driver.
The PinePhone is my daily driver already. When not banking... that is.
@@kittencure I've got a PinePhone myself (postmarketOS edition) but I don't feel ready to daily drive it. Might check out the PinePhone Pro when it comes out though.
What it is a low spec phone 4 check assus rog phone 5 ultimate they have up to 18gb ram and 512GB nand Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G
@@adriancoanda9227 The ROG Phone and PinePhone target completely different niches. The ROG Phone is intended as an Android gaming phone. The PinePhone is meant to be an entry to mid level phone that in its current state, is more of a platform for Linux phone tinkerers.
@@EpicB rog phone can run linux also even win 11 arm lol pinephone y would count as low end phones
I’m also moving towards minimalist use
I would definitely get this as my next phone if I needed one and the next phone I get will almost certainly be a gnu/Linux phone rather than aosp
I genuinely cannot wait to get my hands on one of these devices. The simple ability to take my desktop on the go is a convenience which seems unreal in the hands of penetration testers. If we could obtain a pinephone with perhaps 2-3 more gb of ram, we could be holding in our hands a pentester's dream device! However, as of now 4 gb of ram is still powerful enough to run most if not all pentesting tools so I most definitely will be getting a hold of one of these bad boys as soon as possible!
a physical killswitch for wifi is important, as even with wifi disabled on iphones and androids, they still pulse wifi constantly (tested in labs). Wifi is the current way to track any user location even with location disabled, this is not limited to evesdropping either. I have high hopes these killswitches become the norm, thou google or apple will never impliment them ever
How do we build phone app for this.Any great tutorial for starter?
Excellent video and much appreciated from Doha. Can you use normal social apps like WhatApp, Messenger, Skype, Teams, Zoom, Google Meet in regular basis?
I laughed a lot hearing you say, you go burr for your minimalist tech inside, lol. Thank you solid video as usual.
I love the idea of being able to compile software and use cli programs because of the full Linux terminal
I actually would like a phone that has a desktop-like experience
Im kind of a Linux novice, and am not incredibly experienced with using the Terminal, as an example. However, searching for what you need is very helpful and as most everything most would need is in the Software Manager, and easy to use, it made the transition effortless.
Im not sure how technical your knowledge would need to be for a Pinephone, but most likely while it would be an advantage I have to question what about being a Linux user would make the transition to using the phone easier? Am I simply ignorant? It seems simple enough most of the time, honestly, to where most should be able to use Linux with no trouble.
That Allwinner SoC is whats going to be the draw back to this phone, they should've gone with a Mediatek 1000/2k series instead
This can be a worthy alternative to Android. I saw a video of someone running desktop GIMP software inside Manjaro Phosh Desktop Mode from his vanilla PinePhone and I'm totally amazed by its performance. At this point, the likes of Samsung DeX and Motorola Ready For suddenly become irrelevant.
I was gonna say why not try the Fairphone since it seems like it has better specs and they say you install any phone os you want but those kill switches are an amazing feature
Physical hardware kill switches ought to be mandatory on all digital devices. My only complaint is that the Pine Phone's aren't as readily accessible as those on Librem's theoretical phones. One shouldn't have to disassemble their phone to get to them.
I am considering that since they don't restrict one from installing other OS.
Unfortunately, they refuse to sell the Fairphone in the USA.
It is rude to flash messages so fast they can't be read. With a lot of hard work, I was able to read the rant at 0:18 : We ordered a Librem 5 at full price in early 2019 & have yet to hear of its existence. It was supposed to *begin* shipping in late 2020 and we're still waiting. Even if it ships, it's overpriced to death, underpowered, incomplete, and is thicker than probably two modern phones. Do yourself a favor and don't buy this until people actually get their hands on one.
I’ve heard about Linux all of my life, but I’ve never seen it. This video has stirred my curiosity!
Now to see if Signal Messenger would be possible on this device
One thing that im curious is updates now that its becoming a actually useful phone is updates they need to specify the amount of updates they plan on giving or if there just going to basically support it forever like desktop linux
Pine64 doesn't provide the software for the phone. They only provide the hardware and schematics. It's up to the community to maintain the software
The KDE mobile community will take care of that.
Great Video! what is the max resolution of the external display that you can hook this pro phone to via the usb dock? Thank you
Any way to get Pine64 products in India?
Is the os available to dowload for android phones
So, I can installation full software inside Pinephone Pro? Wow, that is something.
Thoughts on using a pine phone for nethunter?....
I am interested to see how the pro reviews…
yeah it's nice that the devs call it smooth but I'm curious how well it does in the hands of reviewers. Don't want to run into the same hardware limitations like my current Pinephone has just to buy a pinephone pro pro next year to solve that again :p
Does jingOS / cutefish OS work on it? Did you get the pro phone to review yet?
What about fx1 pro with lineage os or ubuntu touch.
Can you use Google Fi with this phone?
Hey Henry I don't know anything about the pine phone pro but Louis Rossmann had a pine phone before he bought one he has it on of his channels either Louis Rossmann random live or Louis Rossmann here on TH-cam
They had me at SEGA "Dreamcast Emulation" !!
I think this is a really interesting project and I'm happy that people exist who spend time and effort working on it.
Personally I'd like to support them and buy the product, but i'd prefer to use AOSP because of the huge amount of work that has gone in to optimisation for the limited resources of a smartphone. Maybe the Fairphone would be a better fit for me.
It's also really nice to see how many comments there are under this video. This is obviously a topic that interests a lot of people.
The software stack really needs to improve a lot on Linux phones. So I hope these Pinephone Pro devices get more developers on board. Linux phones can become a great alternative in the future while even staying compatible with some typical Android apps through Anbox or Waydroid. Native applications already run great on the Pinephone in my opinion. Sure it lags a bit because the GPU isn't great and the memory speeds aren't particular high. But Pine64 seems to address those points with the Pinephone Pro. So it's heading in the right direction.
What can you improve on this low specs? Check asus rog phone ultimate it way 10x better at performance y mean it supports windows 11 arm64, y have a samsung galaxy s21fe wich y have android 11, and ubuntu arm64 21.10 kde-full 5 23 lol but y have the hardware to support and desktop os,
A blessing from the lord
The wait goes on...
Did u get it?
I don't understand why we need a pure Linux phone when we already have Android.
Just fork Android and remove/add any features you want to it.
The Linux community should be supporting Android not competing with it.
Wrong. Android may use Linux kernel, but it changes so much that it not even considered a Linux distro. Heck, even the upcoming Fuchsia OS completely ditches Linux and use their own proprietary kernel.
@@farishanafiah8461 I guess you are right. Android has too many features and API on top of it to call it pure Linux these days. But on the other hand if anyone tries to create an pure linux based OS that is a good competitor againt Android then it will be tough.
I would be happy if you tell us which smartphone do you use
$300 phone what do you expect. If you want everything on the top-level pay $1200 and above then.
To me it's more worth it currently to run android then install linux in termux so i get better app support on both ends of the spectum, once anbox gets better i'd definitely go for a linux phone though.
I see the speed editor in the background and I couldn't find a video about it. It's off-topic but could you do a review about it?
Probably not, very off-topic for our channel. Great product though, & comes included with Studio on B&H currently. So no reason not to get it if you're purchasing Studio.
@@techlore Hey, thanks for the reply and your input!
Oh, and yes, SailfishOS is actually a good daily driver, probably in contrast to the PinePhone (which I haven't tried).
I worry about VoLTE though....
@@TLM860 Yes indeed, that is a problem. On the other hand, no country has fully phased out all of their older-than-4G networks. Germany keeps 2G, others like Switzerland keep 3G running for still quite some time, so I experience it as still possible to do phone calls with my Sailfish X. And I think Jolla gets their stuff going and implements VoLTE in one of the next versions, I bet 2 years from now it will be usable.
@@Seegalgalguntijak It will happen in the US next year though
@@TLM860 I have no idea how it is in the US, but here in Germany, we still have pretty good 2G coverage - that network was the one with the best coverage anyways, and 3G is being turned off, but 2G/GSM will stay on for an indefinite amount of time, just because there are so many industrial communications systems that rely on that, pretty much every elevator's emergency-call system and so on, so there are no plans of actually deactivating 2G. 3G is now gone though, and I don't even miss it. OK, I notice that while on a phone call, I don't have internet, but meh, that's rarely ever needed.
@@TLM860 Also, SailfishOS will support VoLTE even earlier, starting in the beginning of 2022, so probably with version 4.3 or 4.4
it can’t run Subway Surfers?
*cries in Temple Run*
But seriously, a good step in the right direction for Linux phones. Hope to see some more improvements to this phone and maybe some other Linux-based phones will come to the smartphone market
It can run Super Tux Kart though
Me want. Me wants bad! At least as a secondary phone (or maybe my Android will be secondary one).
Did you just say you don't own a computer?
:/ own a microwave? A radio ? A car? You own a computer
😂😂😂😂
You wouldn't download a computer
give me more CPU and battery and I'm in. rockchips are a pain in the ass, give me a core m3-7y32 for less power consumption and better performance, maybe double the ram, and forget about trying to make it as thin as a normal smart phone. I'm willing to compromise a lot more on form factor and pay a lot more than they're targeting to get out of Google's ecosystem.
edit: oh, and faster storage. emmc is excruciating.
Yes finally we have been waiting for so long
Can it run lineage/graphene?
@@kexec. trying to understand the state of linux on mobility; as in is it possible to port another OS, what apps are already out there, what are the current challenges in general etc
@@kexec. What carriers does it take? Is it like every other situation where as long as your SIM is active it works?
“This might be a perk for some of you who want a full desktop experience on a mobile phone…I know you people exist”
here I am. You found me! :D
I bought it for a personal phone and I still don’t know how to use it
I have always loved the pinephones, for running a normal linux os on them, since this allows running actual full software and more custom controll and such.
also it can run softwares from other operating systems like android, ios, windows, bsd, ds, ps1, etc.
however currently I am mostly excited about the pinedio lora, even though I hope they will embed it in the next generation of the pinephone since that would cause a wide adoption of lora and probably also lora mesh networking, which essentially is like a decentralized version of mobile networks allowing uncontrolled, uncensored, and subscription free and not having to depend on infrastructure or hoping there is not power outage at the cellphone tower, way of mobile communication.
if the pinephone next / pinephone 2 would use it by default(especially if it also has a budged version and/or a very high performance option, where it actually can be a great alternative for a desktop and do things like blender and such well) then many people would start using it which would start a revolution making that the new standard, since right now celuar companies have a monpoly and also use centralized propetairy networks,
adding lora in them by default would shoot the mobile age into a new era.
ofcource the current ones are capable of it using that module (pinedio), and while it is actually very cheap, it is still something somoene has to manually decide to get, install and set up on their devices, also I do not know for sure if it allows sending through of the pine connector since otherwise it would use that blocking other modules, getting it in as a default just would push the technology and also make the pinephone a true masterpiece for people seeking mobile freedom or privacy.
those are 2 of it's great things, privacy and freedom, and modularity and actually being able to run real software.
android and IOS phones have insane hardware sometimes but they only allow limited apps, I remember having a 10 core smartphone back in 2016, turned out the soc vendor had the soc closed source, so rooting it or adding linux on it wasn't really doable without things like reverse enginearing or just guessing and hoping those guesses are right and won't brick the phone, by now that soc vendor changed that but back then that meant I was stuck with android on that phone. I never really got a real befit from that high end hardware, except for that I could run all games well in high settings(despite them often giving warnings or defaulting to low since they didn't know the soc), but if I wanted to actually do something on that phone for which you would want high performance, like video editing, blender, programming, making things in general, it just won't work since on android and IOS you don't have apps for that, and the apps like it are often heavily limited and optimized for noobs instead of people wanting actual freedom or to do things.
the pinephone on the other hand had low end hardware but still was and is faster than the worlds fastest android and ios smartphone(except for if you would root them and install linux on them) since android and IOS phones are just so locked down you can't really do anything with them despite their high end hardware.
so if I want to edit a video, sure the first pinephone would be slow compared to pc, but on android and ios you can't even do it, making the pinephone around infinite times as fast, well unless you only want to use one of those automovie maker apps where it just automatically glues the videos together but allows no actual controll or editing(well in the past IOS had some actual editing apps, but most of them disapeared or got banned from the appstore since many iphones would get stuck due to not being fast enough to handle them, and apple didn't like that, but while they allowed some controll they also where very speciffic, like adding in speciffic cgi or a speciffic type of effects. on the pinephone you can actually do things, it is basically a complete computer in your pocket.
in my case actually my parents wanted me to get a samsung phone, since my old phone broke after it fell down the trailer slope in the harbour and landed on the ridge of a concrete plate with some sharp rocks below it and some truck with a trailer drove over it causing the aluminium back to be warped and the screen cracked and pieces falling out the sides, I told them that is normal for phones if that happens to them but they got mad and said it was because it wasn't a samsung phone but a unknown brand(already had it for longer than a samsung phone would typically last when this happened, around 5 years or so. the phone actually still worked but the touchscreen didn't work well anymore especially after I tried to repair it by adding in a thin alcohol based epoxy like substance to prevent pieces of glass falling out of the screen, having the touchscreen barely work made it pretty hard to use sometimes, when I got the phone they wanted me to get, I noticed it is insanely slow, having also lower specs than the pinephone, with having only 4 super slow cores, 2gb of ram and around 2 gb internal storage(16gb on paper but 14 gb is already filled with nonsense you can't remove)
in 2021 this was concidered a mid/midlow end android phone, so the pinephones specs where quite okay, but ofcource many people would want to use the pinephone like a full pc, and the pinephone 1 didn't have a lot of support from vendors or drivers, having only community made and ported stuff in general and some linux distros helping, but this means little support for thigns like video acceleration and hardware acceleration.
the pinephone pro, actually does have a lot of this support, so while it's hardware while faster doesn't seem to much faster, it's performance should be faster by a insane lot due to already much work being done by hobbyists, developers, and linux developers in the pinephone 1, and now for this phone rockchip actually helping with the development and even making a customized chip for the phone, as well as having way less heat and power issues than the pinephone 1, and probably being far more likely to have good hardware acceletation support.
even though somehow I am still also concidering the pinephone 1, but that is mostly since the convergence package also includes the dock which I really like so I can connect mouse and keyboard.
but I know for my use the pro probably makes more sense, since it is just faster, and such, and that way I can try to get more complex softwares running on it, also the low power standby is usefull, and I would need to order the pinedio seperate anyway, so could as well order the dock seperate as well, only main difference would be that it would be around 2.25 times the price of the normal pinephone for not to much more of the things I mostly care about, since the old pinephone also has many things and it being less stable and fancy isn't as big of a problem to me, but on the other hand, getting the pro also would be good so pine64 has more money to work with, and so rockchip also gets rewarded more for helping with the project, and since it might stimulate that which I still hope them to make sometime.
aka. a single board cluster high performance compute unit, essentially a sbc or pinephone or pinebook or such. but then it is optimized to have a lot of raw potential compute power for cheap, so not meant to be fast in genera use, but fast for server use or for example blender or such, so while all could be a single many core chip, it could also in order to save cost just be one main chip and then many chips which are controlled kind of like a more direct acces cluster computer, just to have a lot of compute and AI power and such.
I've tested pretty much the majority of the OS and IMO and I think it's a DD option if you want basic necessities. So far Ubuntu touch is the coolest looking one an I'm waiting for another distro to come out in December.
Arch (I run btw) is also a really nice option.
@@kexec. nice
I didn't know Jim Halpert of the Office series is reviewing tech on his free time
Wait what? You don't have any computer?.... How?
I got the original Pinephone just to play around with it, and in principle I would love a Linux phone, or viable alternative to iPhone / Android. But yeah, it's a terrible experience using a desktop OS crammed into a phone screen. Many apps literally just go off the edge of the screen because they don't scale down, and even many of the apps marked "mobile friendly" are still not done right.
You can change the Linux Distros (OS) pretty easily with Linux.
there is waydroid and adding MicroG into it makes the cons with the apps and app stores not a con anymore and using the Aurorastore (Accountless Google play store) and AuroraDroid(F-droid store it is a opensource application store) and with a Android 11 image do you have hardware acceleration
Which distro does it run ?
Manjaro with KDE plasma. .mobile is the default, but many distros are working on ports to the phone, just like the Pinephone.
@@amosbatto3051 Thank you.
What Linux distro runs fastest on PinePhone BETA? Arch BareBones? Ubuntu Touch? or..............?
I think Ubuntu Touch runs smoothest on original PinePhone
@@knerduno5942 Hi. I finally got a PinePhone BETA (no convergence - only 2GB, not 3GB). On it, Ubuntu ran smooth, but slow, and difficult to install Linux desktop software. Arch Phosh was the fastest. Mobian was almost as fast & had better Node.JS support.
@@wcdeich4 Maybe that extra 1GB of RAM on the convergence one helps a lot. I have no issues with speed with Ubuntu Touch on it.
@@knerduno5942 I agree
I need that device.
Run manjaro arm on a raspberrypi 4b 8gb n this pinephone will be perfectly compatible
Cam spec is in early 2015 - BIG NO ;(
I'd like to see a Linux Maniac that takes picture quality seriously.
Yeah, not really big on the teenage girl market, but most people looking for this phone don't care.
sailfish X is great on my sony phone I prefer ubuntu touch interface but its not fully working on my device lol
I'm using Ubuntu touch on a nexus 5/works great and i paid 50$ for it 2 years ago I Also have a pixel 4 with lineage OS but I prefer my little Linux phone for some reason. Lol
4:00 wait..... WHAT????? 😂
generally a good idea
but in my opinion... a bit too expensive, maybe I would buy it for $249 - $269
I don't know if it wouldn't be easier to make a phone dedicated to AOSP
it's nice that it can be connected to a monitor
hardware switches are another advantage
While it is a hefty price tag for a linux phone in all reality they aren't making that much off of you. Generally phone manufacturers such as samsung have pre-installed bloatware (like carrier apps/locking) and have other ways to profit off of you this company gets and is aiming for is at the point of sale. That money does have to come from somewhere unfortunately.
Wait is Linux phone runs Linux , rpi 4 run Linux both are arm so can they run blender rpi can so
Honestly the librem 5 is better than the pinebook pro😂😂😂
They definitely should have used "plus" instead of "pro"
But can you play Cookie Run on it without using an emulator?
Can it run apex legends mobile or genshin impact ?
Does Signal runs on a Linux Phone? Did u succeed to run on a PinePhone? What about Telegram and Brave?
Telegram comes with Manjaro Phosh images for Pinephone and Signal should work if it has support for ARM processors. Brave doesn't since their Linux packages are only for AMD/Intel.
Let's make our phone safe again!
i thought they made the kill switch on BT and WiFi seperate, guess not. Very sad.
pretty sure the wifi and bt component is integrated so no way to disable them separately
@@rafradeki Late, but does that mean they need to change the hardware literally to make this as an option?
@@w1z4rd9 the same circuitry is used for both bt and wifi. You can always disable wifi or bt in settings
@@rafradeki Yeah I know you could disable it via siftware. I just think that if there are good alternatives on hardware components that can make this option possible they should do it.
Man, your subtitles desappears so fast! Do you really want we read them?
I'll answer your question,
It's close but not ready yet
Not to bash the phone, but gorilla glass 5 is out... and for the price i pciked up a galaxy s10+ with 512gb storage for $375.... if they releasing pro, i hope it would compete if not beat this s10+
1) It should be able to dual boot Android and desktop Linux, so users aren't stuck not being able to run an app.
2) The linux distro it ships with must have a killer app. Otherwise people are better off sticking with Android.
easy buy at 400. I am sold. Getting one.
WhaT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER FOR YOUR SELF?
@Techlore In response to your rant @ 0:19, I was sent the Librem 5 USA for review and I think it's a piece of overpriced crap. So from someone who actually has the device, do not buy it!
0:46 *Identity (2003) - Who Am I Speaking To? Scene*
I wonder if CalyxOS would run on this just fine.
I would prefer having the hardware kill switches (with the Pixels don't have); even better would be if one didn't have to disassemble his or her phone to get to them. It would be nice if Pine64 addressed this design flaw in future versions.
The Apple ecosystem is very nice and hard to want to leave. Keep in mind I’m older so I don’t care as much about privacy anymore (security: of course yes). It feels like a losing battle but you younger folks keep up the good fight. I have background in Linux so it is interesting…
I would love that phone but unfortunately I need Google maps and few others to live my life.
Web app?
Why the heck anyone want to use Goolag maps?
@@knerduno5942 what map do you use?
4gb ram again?
Have u tried opening the iPhone 12 & 13? They have made repairs a nightmare. At least I know you can’t change the camera 🎥 without troubles…. This will boost Linux phones especially if the hunk their pro repair strategy and link it to climate change ✊🏾
The biggest problem of linux phones is that for some reason they all do the same mistake of having a heavy duty desktop like system on very weak hardware
All the powerful mobile processors require Android drivers and running Linux with libhybris, which means that you have to use proprietary blobs and a kernel which can't be updated, because Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung, etc. no longer support the driver. Using a weaker processor from Rockchip, NXP or Allwinner is a far better option.
@@amosbatto3051 that's my point, if the hardware is weaker you need to streamline as much as possible the OS, but look at Pure for instance, it's a carbon copy of just their desktop variant.
It is my understanding that the CPU was specially ordered from Rockchip just for the PinePhone
The midrange bit is a bit of an over statement... The specs are definitely higher low end... a snapdragon 6xx or 7xx device will absolutely trash it and newer 4xx devices as well... I guess if you buy this, it doesn't matter to you.
Probably, but the much lighter mobile Linux OS will give much better performance than Android.
@@farishanafiah8461 But most people will "emulate" android on it to run android apps which will result in lower performance even if it's technically not emulating since it's arm and android can use the same kernel as the Linux distro.
2:12 you could probably use it for video editing or making music so i think calling it pro is justifiable.