This is exactly what I was looking for. I wanted to buy a pinephone ever since braveheart has been announced. Good on pine64 for making the Linux phone a reality. Thank you Nick.
Gnome apps are already decently touch-friendly. A USB to USB-C connection could allow you to compile ARM binaries on a PC and load them onto the phone. There shouldn't be any shortage of apps for this thing. And with the power boost, I think the Linux world is now basically ready for mobile.
Now I'm just hoping a dev can add nice big on-screen controls for the mGBA app so I can play games on it without the tiny pop-up keyboard arrows that Mobian Phosh has currently :p
I fully agree, while sure some Android and iOS apps aren't supported, many Linux programs in general don't work well on Android (whilst using something like Termux, of NetHunter, etc.) let alone on an iPhone!! I swear I have more apps on my phone dedicated to just trying to get basic functionality out of the thing as it is... A command line and regular programs is all I need!
@@yohaneschristianp Steam Deck did so well Valve already expressed interest in creating follow ups. To the others in this thread, fuck yes give ‘e a Steam Phone! Would have to have an x86 APU no? The alternative would be ARM with some translation layer that would have somewhat spotty compatibility.
@jshowa o Could you tell me how to sell my games on Origin, EGS and Ubisoft Connect? The reason we want Valve to make a PC based gaming phone is because they would likely have it run mobile Linux. No other business in the games industry has pushed Linux as much as they have, after the house of Steam gets everyone on board with our favorite OS then can we talk about competition.
I like the way they described it in their monthly blog. Think of it like how Apple has the iPhones then the iPhone Pro devices alongside them. This isn't a sequel, its just a beefier big brother
@@florianfelix8295 Looking at the specs, the Pinephone Pro will *definitely* outperform the Librem 5, at least if the software is there. I'm pretty sure the Librem 5 already wasn't much more powerful than the Pinephone tbh
There's a great way to run Android arm64 apps natively on Linux on arm, it's called Waydroid. You can also run Android x86 apps on amd64 natively without VM. Please make a video about it, as it needs more marketing!
Linux just needs a reliable and easy way to run Android apps. If Anbox got some extra developers on their side it would be eaiser and honestly is the next step. People may still need Android apps to get work done.
One interesting thing would be to adapt GrapheneOS to this PinePhone Pro, as they are working on support for Services Play, but without super privileges. This would perhaps allow banking apps to work, which will probably be a necessary compromise.
@@eMorphized It seems to have a huge startup time, which I did not test myself, but it sure seemed way worse than snaps on Ubuntu when regarding startup times.
You could probably use the Fairphone 4. As far as I have heard you can install every operating system you want. So you could probably run Linux desktop.
The Fairphone 4 can't run Linux yet, from what I've looked into However though, the fact it lacks a earphone jack bothers quite a few people including myself
@@neko-san5965 yes, but it has a Snapdragon SOC, it's user serviceable and will be supported for 5 years. It is also fairtrade certificated so... it's actually a better option than this Pinephone.
This might be the one for me, if the software gets there. I did buy the Pinephone, back in May but, I ended up returning it. (The speaker was way to quiet and the performance was not sufficient but, I knew that second part going in.) Now, I am not going to rush out and get the Pinephone Pro but, I am going to keep an eye on it so, thanks for the Video.
I hope it gets better. Last time I used it, it was so buggy. Apps would crash if I used touch input, and the red/blue channels were inverted. It was also having trouble accessing the internet
@@TheLinuxEXP I personally have found waydroid to run really well on my pinephone, I even managed to run a game (I tested 8 ball pool and it ran flawlessly). Only thing holding it back is the 30s initialisation time. Apart from that, it seemed leagues ahead of the old Anbox. This was plasma mobile manjaro unstable, IDK about others. I think it could be worth a video as @Dwipapp suggested.
Despite loving everything about linux myself, ironically I think that unless big software corporations start looking at linux phones as a serious market and userbase, ithings like PinePhone will serve more as a cool gadget for enthusiasts rather than a real replacement for iPhones and Android phones.
Agreed unless apps have distribution in the Apple and Android app stores they're just not getting widespread usage. I don't see companies developing yet another app version to service a very small number of Linux phone users. Perhaps a base app set that's community developed, and a way to compatibility layer Android apps is more realistic. If widespread adoption of Linux phones take place, then native apps may be a real possibility down the road.
honestly as someone who's only been reluctantly hanging on to iphones for ""better security"" than android ( i know its not perfect) the pinephone has been on my radar ever since i heard about it, and im so glad to see pine64 making something REALLY nice looking and very functional, with those stats listed in the video I'd have very little problem downgrading to it, id say only thing linux mobile needs support for at this point is more apps, especially games like pokemon go and what have you. Side note: I would really love to see an overview on "games" that work with the pinephone with the linux repositories and what little it has available, even if its simple games of reversi or solitaire. anything would be a good start!
It depends, can I buy it on Amazon?? Can I buy it from my cellular provider with my contract?? Don't get me wrong I would love to have one, but those are the only places I use my credit/debit card other than bills, and I am not looking to use it anywhere else...
I ditched cellphones altogether a few years ago because of the closed systems, lack of communication with the linux desktop, and, well, those privacy issues. I have little care for apps, so I think it's the phone I've been waiting for. Bought it, wish me luck!
How is the hardware the problem though? I remember my old galaxy s3 running smooth with a 1.something Ghz quad-core cpu and 1 Gb of ram. It seems it would rather have to be software optimization to majorly improve the experience
@@TheLinuxEXP Makes sense, didn't think of that to be fair. Can't it then be compared to modern, cheap and yet pretty smooth phones from most brands? I'm not comparing prices here, I mean low end CPUs. Is that still an unfair comparison?
@@Blueeeeeee can't we see it already cheap phones phones? My mom had an old Huawei phone that was maybe 200 tops, and ran pretty fast and smooth. The battery was terrible ofc, but still performance wasn't that laggy
Great strategy on their part to release the cheaper one first and continue to sell it. I hope things go well for them, I don't like the locked down IOS ecosystem, or the tracking in android.
So far Pine Phones are only toys for testers. I really wish for a daily driver Linux phone. If only Linux had a backing like Windows or MacOS... Yeah, I wish xD
I might buy it, but it won't be my daily driver. It'd be fun to try things out on it, and I want to make an app I'm making compatible with Linux phones, so it would help with that too
Yes, being a non-developer, just an average Linux user, I feel buying it was really premature. Most of the time, it is just lying around. So often have I made it my resolution to start using it for real, but I just never do, because of all the limitations. Even the mainboard upgrade hasn't changed that.
My old android phone is with similar specs and i did not feel need for faster phone at all. And that phone was cheaper than pinephone back in 2017. I don't need much from phone, heaviest thing i do on phone is watching videos, that currently does not work very well on pinephone(directly on websites, tho well working app for that would be fine too), and some heavy websites also work slowly. If those 2 things get optimized pinephone will do everything i want. I found out about pinephone in december 2019, and at that time i could pre-order braveheart edition, so i did it very soon because i had no idea it would take this long for software side to get there, and i didn't expect it to perform so poorly as my android phone with similar specs did not have any performance issues. I should have done more research but it looked just like the phone i have been waiting ever since my nokia n900 died, so i just did it.
I like what pinephone is doing, but I am a bit confused when you say 'finally get a linux phone'. Isn't Android built with the Linux kernel? I get the mainstream OS haven't been on phones much but there are FOSS Android ROMs that will get rid of the glow google certifies Android with.
@@AP-kx4yw idk about that, sure the kernel they use might not be the latest, but that doesn't detract from it being 'real linux'. As for 'very tweaked' I would be interested to read some examples that extend beyond hardware/driver support and power management.
@@SaxaphoneMan42 With "real" Linux I meant things like Terminal, Linux tools, Linux Apps, ... Things you have on every desktop Linux. Android 11 is using Kernel 4.14 on my devices(Google Pixel 4a). That's in my eyes very old. It's a patched version from a kernel version from 2017.
@@AP-kx4yw you can 100% access a terminal in android, not entirely certain what you mean by Linux tools/apps, do you mean the DE specific ones? old or not, it is still a Linux kernel, you probably wouldn't have to search for long to find web servers today running that.
@@SaxaphoneMan42 With tools I mean things like systemd, nano, GTK, ... These things. With Linux Apps I mean real Linux Programs like gedit, .... I know I can access the terminal in android but it's very limited there.
There's something I really don't get. Why are we talking about another experimental platform for developers and we don't focus our attention on existing open phones like the Fairphone 4 who could also run linux, has a modern Snapdragon SOC, is easily repairable and is guaranteed to be serviceable and supported for the next 5 years?
Despite being "open", they're still contractually forbidden from providing schematics and other things due to the whole Snapdragon thing. Plus it appears that they're now following the footsteps of Apple by removing the headphone jack and coming out with their own wireless earbuds. I don't think it's a good idea to rely on such a company
Personally I also find the pogo pins and kill switches to be a vital part of the PinePhone. The pins can allow me to have actual accessories and do crazy things with it
Because this is an ecosystem being built. We need more hardware options for the software we have. We already have a platform for developers, called GNU/Linux.
Someone made a video about running Manjaro Phosh Desktop Mode in his vanilla PinePhone and even ran desktop GIMP software in it. That enough shows that Linux smartphone has a real bright future as a pocket computer. Forget the likes of Samsung DeX or Motorola Ready For or even LG Screen+, Android as a desktop OS is still not viable enough to be a true laptop replacement.
I wonder why there is nothing that trying to reproduce not the system, but the environment like iCloud with all that's features and even more (like distributed apps with localized per user data)
It’s not spyware. It’s optional, disabled by default and it has no personal information sent at all. It actually really helps the KDE developers to turn it on.
@@TheLinuxEXP , *_No, you're not quite right. Data collecting and sending statistics is a good thing, only when this is done by you voluntarily. KDE does not behave in such way. Actually this is the claim to them._* (1) _It is not "optional"! The data are collected continuously and always, no one asks your consent, and you cannot turn it off. You can only disable sending, but data (about your activity and your system) will still be collected._ (2) _Of course, it is not so terrible now, as a surveillance from Facebook or Google. But, all the same, data is being collected without your consent. In fact, this may be called as "a kind of spying"._ (3) _KUserFeedback logs are stored somewhere inside the user's home directory. And, therefore, these collected data (about you, about your activity) can be read by any other third-party program. So it is a potential vulnerability for your privacy. And it is possible (for dishonest third-party developers and / or proprietary programs) to add some information identifying you (for example, your IP) to the data that the KUserFeedback collected and then to send it to their third-party servers. And may be, you even will not know about it. And it is possible to be done, even in case when you turned off sending in KUserfeedBack settings._ (4) _And some people provide arguments that the software designed in this a way, like the KUserFeedback, does not match the definition of "free software"._ ____________________ _And the KDE could easily write their software in a such way that the user (if he wants) could completely remove the KUserFeedback. But KDE does not want to do it consciously!_ PS. _I do not know whether there is this KUserFeedback installed on this phone, or Pine64 removed this thing out from its DE. And excuse me for my bad english, pls._ 😀
First you should find out if somebody didn't make an app similar to yours so you can either try to improve it or fork it if the development is dead. If there is no project like your idea or just you want to go solo from the beginning then first decide what framework you are going to use. The main ones are QT for Plasma Mobile or GTK for Gnome/Phosh. Both frameworks have special guides and libraries to make mobile/adaptive apps. QT has Kirigami, GTK has GTK3/libhandy or GTK4/libadwaita. I guess you should start by looking into these things.
6:56 mate it's called a web browser. Or keep a proprietary device (your old phone would do fine) at home and/or work on wifi for those proprietary services. native apps for messaging is like the only must have. The pinephone is good enough to where you can leave the house with just that phone.
I'd like to be able to switch to a Linux phone, but not for that much money and not until the apps that I use on my iPhone are available--my phone is my audiobook player, and several of apps aren't made for Linux.
If the problem is around the apps, so the companies should be more flexible, and put their apps on their website to give us chance to download it without store.. However, it’s not a big issue for who cares about privacy.
Anbox is very slow and uses an old Android version. Waydroid is a new project which does the same as Anbox but with way better performance and a newer Android version but it has some bugs and isn't ready yet.
@@AP-kx4yw Even so, it may be a better solution as it is more stable. Most apps work well on the android version anbox uses. They are also already starting to prepare to upgrade the android version. If I got it right (and remember right), they are aiming to upgrade from 7 to 10.
@@brunoais Sure it would be nice if Anbox would upgrade to a newer version, but I don't see anything about that in the GitHub repository. Unfortunately, this would not solve the problem, because Anbox would still be totally slow. If you don't need it that fast now, Anbox is the better choice, but Waydroid will replace Anbox in the long run in my opinion.
@@TheLinuxEXP Ouch. In that case, I'm really lucky with anbox. I use it on my desktop to run android apps. It runs very well. As long as the app doesn't require Gapps, no app ever failed me. Some apps have some easily ignorable quirks due to the resolution but they work well. It's unfortunate, it's still like this... Thanks for the answer
@@MyTablet12 o really 🙂, nice i was searching for info in net on this subject do not got anything valuable. If i can install Linux besides android 14 on my pixel 4a in 2 years i will be so happy 😁
Why so laggy? I following that project for years, and still they are unable to create enough powerful device. Some people don't need ultra hi-res cameras. put 2mp on front, and 8mp ONE camera on back with powerful soc inside. And do small version, like 5inch (not that shovel). WE WILL BE HAPPY!
One thing I wonder about that... Aren't all these apps you say you need (twitter,facebook,messenger etc) already available through the web browser? I mean sure a native app surely would be more stylish than a web app, but for me it sounds kind of weird that a linux phone would be less compatible than an android phone. Yes there are like a million apps on google play but 90% of them are either paid, are full of adds or generally sucks, and yeah, you can't make android apps - on android. On linux you can at least make your own apps from scratch in case no one has made an app for you. The only app I am running on my linux desktop now that I predict would not be runnable on the phone is Android Studio but honestly, if I have a linux phone I wouldn't need android studio to begin with... I think a linux phone already is way more powerful than an android but sure, I can see why you wouldn't want to type sudo apt install xxxx in your soft keyboard everytime you wanted to install an app...
This is exactly what I was looking for. I wanted to buy a pinephone ever since braveheart has been announced. Good on pine64 for making the Linux phone a reality. Thank you Nick.
Damn you people quick, 5 vids in nearly 7 minutes, Thanks Nick!
Hahah sorry :D
Steam deck, pine phone pro, Linux hardware is really going places
Gnome apps are already decently touch-friendly. A USB to USB-C connection could allow you to compile ARM binaries on a PC and load them onto the phone. There shouldn't be any shortage of apps for this thing. And with the power boost, I think the Linux world is now basically ready for mobile.
Now I'm just hoping a dev can add nice big on-screen controls for the mGBA app so I can play games on it without the tiny pop-up keyboard arrows that Mobian Phosh has currently :p
I fully agree, while sure some Android and iOS apps aren't supported, many Linux programs in general don't work well on Android (whilst using something like Termux, of NetHunter, etc.) let alone on an iPhone!! I swear I have more apps on my phone dedicated to just trying to get basic functionality out of the thing as it is... A command line and regular programs is all I need!
Let's hope Valve jumps into the ship and release Steam Phone 😆
The name is quite taboo, steam --> vapor
Vaporware
that is a interesting idea
@@yohaneschristianp Steam Deck did so well Valve already expressed interest in creating follow ups. To the others in this thread, fuck yes give ‘e a Steam Phone! Would have to have an x86 APU no? The alternative would be ARM with some translation layer that would have somewhat spotty compatibility.
we just need to get steam running on the pinephone pro and use google cardboard for VR.
pretty sure valve is focusing on Valve Deckard right now.
@jshowa o Could you tell me how to sell my games on Origin, EGS and Ubisoft Connect? The reason we want Valve to make a PC based gaming phone is because they would likely have it run mobile Linux. No other business in the games industry has pushed Linux as much as they have, after the house of Steam gets everyone on board with our favorite OS then can we talk about competition.
All open hardware manufacturers should combine their forces to invest into a single Linux mobile distro
Well let’s say hardware manufacturers are not always the best at manufacturing software.
I like the way they described it in their monthly blog. Think of it like how Apple has the iPhones then the iPhone Pro devices alongside them. This isn't a sequel, its just a beefier big brother
Gotta say the Pinephone Pro announcement has just absolutely murdered the Librem 5.
It probably has lured away a lot of people indeed
idk i think they target their own space either way. Isn‘t the librem quite more powerful, too?
@@florianfelix8295 the pinephone pro will out perform the librem 5 from what I have read from people that got the preproduction models
@@florianfelix8295 Looking at the specs, the Pinephone Pro will *definitely* outperform the Librem 5, at least if the software is there.
I'm pretty sure the Librem 5 already wasn't much more powerful than the Pinephone tbh
@@florianfelix8295 No
Man, this is exciting
Definitely!
There's a great way to run Android arm64 apps natively on Linux on arm, it's called Waydroid. You can also run Android x86 apps on amd64 natively without VM. Please make a video about it, as it needs more marketing!
Damn I was really excited for the JingPad, can't wait to see you go in details on your quick comment
The TLDR is that the hardware is amazing, and the software is waaaaay too young
@@TheLinuxEXP Can it be used as a keyboard-less ARM-based Ubuntu laptop on the go?
I can't help but giggle a bit at the sentence "mobile Linux *desktop*"
Does mobile Linux graphical environment sound better?
@@eMorphized I believe so
Hahaha yeah I need to find another word for this
So, this is a better phone than the librem 5 and costs a third of the price? Cool, what's purism's excuse now?
They build the drivers from the scratch. They also contribute to gnome upstream.
A third of the price? Doesn't the Librem 5 sell for some 700 USD?
@@jochannan7379 It is now 1k if I recall
@@PeterNokes I just checked, it is 899, so still more than double the price. of the PP pro
@@jochannan7379 It's been pumped to $1200 and more, depends on the weather. Lmfao
Linux just needs a reliable and easy way to run Android apps. If Anbox got some extra developers on their side it would be eaiser and honestly is the next step. People may still need Android apps to get work done.
@Watcher Waydroid works very well!
6:45 You definitely need the contact "Lol, I can't believe you paused to read this"
This has better hardware than the librem 5...
Yep!
Does this have foss firmware too?
@@Waitwhat469 if only TH-cam didn't keep removing my comment I'll be able to say why I don't like the librem 5.
@@Waitwhat469 my comment didn't even have any swear words or bad language. The AI...
It looks like a promising piece of hardware, it's just the software that needs to catch up.
One interesting thing would be to adapt GrapheneOS to this PinePhone Pro, as they are working on support for Services Play, but without super privileges. This would perhaps allow banking apps to work, which will probably be a necessary compromise.
Some dual boot solution would be great.
2:02 - 2:07 loved these creative shots of the phone!
You earned the like the moment you mentioned the fingerprints and constant whipping 🤣🤣🥲
Hahah yeah I can’t stand these fingerprints on my devices 😅
As soon as waydroid gets better... I'm switching to a Linux phone
It's AOSP running on mainline. I don't see how it could be that unstable.
@@eMorphized It seems to have a huge startup time, which I did not test myself, but it sure seemed way worse than snaps on Ubuntu when regarding startup times.
I asked them about this a month ago and they have it now.
Very excited.
I really like the fact that his sponsors are EUROPEAN and that he listed the price in EUROS! he earned my sub.
It’s mainly because I’m French 😅
You could probably use the Fairphone 4. As far as I have heard you can install every operating system you want. So you could probably run Linux desktop.
we'll have to wait until we get Linux distros on the Fairphone 4
The Fairphone 4 can't run Linux yet, from what I've looked into
However though, the fact it lacks a earphone jack bothers quite a few people including myself
@@neko-san5965 it's brand new so we'll have to wait ig
@@neko-san5965 yes, but it has a Snapdragon SOC, it's user serviceable and will be supported for 5 years. It is also fairtrade certificated so... it's actually a better option than this Pinephone.
But as far as I understood, we will still be fully covered under insurance even if we use another operating system right?
This might be the one for me, if the software gets there. I did buy the Pinephone, back in May but, I ended up returning it. (The speaker was way to quiet and the performance was not sufficient but, I knew that second part going in.) Now, I am not going to rush out and get the Pinephone Pro but, I am going to keep an eye on it so, thanks for the Video.
Defiantly getting it, really excited.
Thanks for mentioning you had Mastodon; I never thought to check.
4:25 you can considering to make a video about Waydroid, it can be used to run android natively.
I hope it gets better. Last time I used it, it was so buggy. Apps would crash if I used touch input, and the red/blue channels were inverted. It was also having trouble accessing the internet
Yep not ready at all
@@TheLinuxEXP I personally have found waydroid to run really well on my pinephone, I even managed to run a game (I tested 8 ball pool and it ran flawlessly). Only thing holding it back is the 30s initialisation time. Apart from that, it seemed leagues ahead of the old Anbox. This was plasma mobile manjaro unstable, IDK about others. I think it could be worth a video as @Dwipapp suggested.
The number of Quality videos coming back to back is commendable!!
You are probably on RedBull...
Thanks Nick ^_^
Hahaha thanks :) It’s a busy month!!
Good start, but there's a long way to go and it's very expensive vs its limited power and easyness of use.
Great video as always! Thanks Nick 😊
Thanks for watching :)
in my opinion the camara should have a kill-swicth which is more accessible but seems like a good option
Despite loving everything about linux myself, ironically I think that unless big software corporations start looking at linux phones as a serious market and userbase, ithings like PinePhone will serve more as a cool gadget for enthusiasts rather than a real replacement for iPhones and Android phones.
Agreed unless apps have distribution in the Apple and Android app stores they're just not getting widespread usage. I don't see companies developing yet another app version to service a very small number of Linux phone users.
Perhaps a base app set that's community developed, and a way to compatibility layer Android apps is more realistic. If widespread adoption of Linux phones take place, then native apps may be a real possibility down the road.
Killer video as always Nick 🐧
Thanks!
How is the jingpad able to do the android /Linux mash up ? I actually wondered if it's just not actually running Linux like they claim .
Have to say: The Ubuntu Edge looked sbsolutely slick!
maybe they'll dust it off, load it up with these new versions of mobile Linux distros and sell them at a decent price :p but dang they did look slick!
honestly as someone who's only been reluctantly hanging on to iphones for ""better security"" than android ( i know its not perfect) the pinephone has been on my radar ever since i heard about it, and im so glad to see pine64 making something REALLY nice looking and very functional, with those stats listed in the video I'd have very little problem downgrading to it, id say only thing linux mobile needs support for at this point is more apps, especially games like pokemon go and what have you.
Side note: I would really love to see an overview on "games" that work with the pinephone with the linux repositories and what little it has available, even if its simple games of reversi or solitaire. anything would be a good start!
@Crystax reaper You can run emulators on them just fine. It is a GNU/Linux machine, after all.
@Crystax reaper yeah, I agree. I think the Pinephone Pro will be a good bet for your usage!
Will you buy it
I really want to see how it performs
Probably not right off the bat. I’ll see if I can get a review unit though.
What about postmarket os? Check it on normal phone
It depends, can I buy it on Amazon?? Can I buy it from my cellular provider with my contract??
Don't get me wrong I would love to have one, but those are the only places I use my credit/debit card other than bills, and I am not looking to use it anywhere else...
I ditched cellphones altogether a few years ago because of the closed systems, lack of communication with the linux desktop, and, well, those privacy issues. I have little care for apps, so I think it's the phone I've been waiting for. Bought it, wish me luck!
For a non-dev like me my brain tells me to wait five years. Looking forward to it.
How is the hardware the problem though? I remember my old galaxy s3 running smooth with a 1.something Ghz quad-core cpu and 1 Gb of ram. It seems it would rather have to be software optimization to majorly improve the experience
Websites and apps were a LOT simpler back then, and multitasking was virtually non existent
@@TheLinuxEXP Makes sense, didn't think of that to be fair.
Can't it then be compared to modern, cheap and yet pretty smooth phones from most brands?
I'm not comparing prices here, I mean low end CPUs. Is that still an unfair comparison?
@@wiclignicpodcast8072 Tbh, I'd be astonished to see a modern Android phone run well with a quad-core CPU and 2 GB of RAM.
@@Blueeeeeee can't we see it already cheap phones phones? My mom had an old Huawei phone that was maybe 200 tops, and ran pretty fast and smooth. The battery was terrible ofc, but still performance wasn't that laggy
"Ting" is my phone carrier. Can anyone tell me if PinePhone and/or Librem? Ting uses the T-Mobile network.
These phones all make me miss my old Nokia N900, that was a perfect Linux phone
Great strategy on their part to release the cheaper one first and continue to sell it. I hope things go well for them, I don't like the locked down IOS ecosystem, or the tracking in android.
Yes, it was the right move!
yeah unlike librem phones
PWAs seems to be the solution for the app-gap that Linux have, specially now when Microsoft is pushing for them.
thank you looking more and more promising, I'd love a Linux phone soon I think
Baby steps to a Linux smartphone. The Android app compatibility would be massive in its development.
Okay. But how to develop apps for him??
Will pinephone software work on this or does it need custom software made for it?
Should work!
@@TheLinuxEXP nice!
Anything should work if compiled for aarch64.
@@eMorphized i didn't even think of that 🤔 maybe this will be the first phone that can run aarch64 appimages 🤔(or atleast the first one i know)
Fairphone 4: no headphone jack, massive, spyware preinstalled
Pinephone Pro: Built-in protection, open hardware, freedom of OS
What is the spyware?
What network does this work with? How well does the dialer work?
So far Pine Phones are only toys for testers. I really wish for a daily driver Linux phone. If only Linux had a backing like Windows or MacOS... Yeah, I wish xD
I might buy it, but it won't be my daily driver. It'd be fun to try things out on it, and I want to make an app I'm making compatible with Linux phones, so it would help with that too
What app you want to make?
0:21 that's a cool shot, that is (was Dex) the dream
Seems great i have been waiting for a better linux phone for a while i might actually get this
I'm curious to know: where this phone is manufactured?
This is big.
While the RK3399S isn't much in the area of SD888's and A15-bionics, it's a MASSIVE leap forward from what the regular Pinephone uses.
at least it is usable and responsive, two things the non pro one totally lacked.
Yes, being a non-developer, just an average Linux user, I feel buying it was really premature. Most of the time, it is just lying around. So often have I made it my resolution to start using it for real, but I just never do, because of all the limitations. Even the mainboard upgrade hasn't changed that.
How is the call quality on the regular pine phone? Can it send and receive texts?
I need a phone running TempleOS.
As god intended
I don't think it supports ARM. And it doesn't work at resolutions above 480.
What do you think about the Volla phone?
My old android phone is with similar specs and i did not feel need for faster phone at all. And that phone was cheaper than pinephone back in 2017. I don't need much from phone, heaviest thing i do on phone is watching videos, that currently does not work very well on pinephone(directly on websites, tho well working app for that would be fine too), and some heavy websites also work slowly. If those 2 things get optimized pinephone will do everything i want.
I found out about pinephone in december 2019, and at that time i could pre-order braveheart edition, so i did it very soon because i had no idea it would take this long for software side to get there, and i didn't expect it to perform so poorly as my android phone with similar specs did not have any performance issues. I should have done more research but it looked just like the phone i have been waiting ever since my nokia n900 died, so i just did it.
Does a Google Fi data SIM work on this model? I haven't gotten it working on a Pinephone Braveheart.
The Pinephone pro in plasma manjaro can take pictures as of IDK when but it can.
I like what pinephone is doing, but I am a bit confused when you say 'finally get a linux phone'. Isn't Android built with the Linux kernel? I get the mainstream OS haven't been on phones much but there are FOSS Android ROMs that will get rid of the glow google certifies Android with.
The kernel Android is using is very tweaked and old.
Shure you can use LineageOS or eOS but you will never have real Linux on your phone.
@@AP-kx4yw idk about that, sure the kernel they use might not be the latest, but that doesn't detract from it being 'real linux'. As for 'very tweaked' I would be interested to read some examples that extend beyond hardware/driver support and power management.
@@SaxaphoneMan42 With "real" Linux I meant things like Terminal, Linux tools, Linux Apps, ...
Things you have on every desktop Linux.
Android 11 is using Kernel 4.14 on my devices(Google Pixel 4a).
That's in my eyes very old. It's a patched version from a kernel version from 2017.
@@AP-kx4yw you can 100% access a terminal in android, not entirely certain what you mean by Linux tools/apps, do you mean the DE specific ones?
old or not, it is still a Linux kernel, you probably wouldn't have to search for long to find web servers today running that.
@@SaxaphoneMan42 With tools I mean things like systemd, nano, GTK, ... These things.
With Linux Apps I mean real Linux Programs like gedit, ....
I know I can access the terminal in android but it's very limited there.
You should do a video covering waydroid
And halium.
i think better app support and a 3.5mm jack would win me over
Will the $400 PPPro come with the convergence dongle/dock that the original PP came with or does that cost extra?
Not sure, but I’d expect it’s to be bought separately
There's something I really don't get. Why are we talking about another experimental platform for developers and we don't focus our attention on existing open phones like the Fairphone 4 who could also run linux, has a modern Snapdragon SOC, is easily repairable and is guaranteed to be serviceable and supported for the next 5 years?
Despite being "open", they're still contractually forbidden from providing schematics and other things due to the whole Snapdragon thing. Plus it appears that they're now following the footsteps of Apple by removing the headphone jack and coming out with their own wireless earbuds. I don't think it's a good idea to rely on such a company
Personally I also find the pogo pins and kill switches to be a vital part of the PinePhone. The pins can allow me to have actual accessories and do crazy things with it
Because this is an ecosystem being built. We need more hardware options for the software we have. We already have a platform for developers, called GNU/Linux.
have you tried Jolla OS?
Someone made a video about running Manjaro Phosh Desktop Mode in his vanilla PinePhone and even ran desktop GIMP software in it. That enough shows that Linux smartphone has a real bright future as a pocket computer. Forget the likes of Samsung DeX or Motorola Ready For or even LG Screen+, Android as a desktop OS is still not viable enough to be a true laptop replacement.
We're can I buy this phone ?
I wonder why there is nothing that trying to reproduce not the system, but the environment like iCloud with all that's features and even more (like distributed apps with localized per user data)
Thanks for the information Monsieur DuJardin
Comment est votre blanquette?
I have the gen1 pine phone the software was really ruff and I broke the screen before the software got anywhere. Love the idea
Android apps on a premium Linux phone with a desktop dock. I would trade my iPhone for that!
Is there a mobile Linux distro on which we can use buttons to navigate? I am not a fan of gesture-only like on Ubuntu Touch.
You mean like KDE Plasma Mobile?
I'll be getting one, now that it seems like there might be some momentum behind a linux ecosystem phone, I really want to help develop for it
Why should they dont use the tiger610 socy. Which is morr capable than rockchip...
Sorry, but the old Fairphone 3 in the same price range is a better choice and the Fairphone 4 is available for order now too.
3.99 for the pro?
Hay! A 5 year old GPU is much better than the 10 year old one in the previous model. It's even Vulkan capable. Hmm... consider me more interested.
This phones are good and secure the bad thing is they don't always work correctly as they are pretty slow and just don't work properly
Yeah, the software needs more work
Is it dual sim
_What about KUserFeedback (a kind of spyware by KDE that cannot be removed)? Is it still preinstalled on this PinePhone?_ 😅
It’s not spyware. It’s optional, disabled by default and it has no personal information sent at all. It actually really helps the KDE developers to turn it on.
@@TheLinuxEXP ,
*_No, you're not quite right. Data collecting and sending statistics is a good thing, only when this is done by you voluntarily. KDE does not behave in such way. Actually this is the claim to them._*
(1) _It is not "optional"! The data are collected continuously and always, no one asks your consent, and you cannot turn it off. You can only disable sending, but data (about your activity and your system) will still be collected._
(2) _Of course, it is not so terrible now, as a surveillance from Facebook or Google. But, all the same, data is being collected without your consent. In fact, this may be called as "a kind of spying"._
(3) _KUserFeedback logs are stored somewhere inside the user's home directory. And, therefore, these collected data (about you, about your activity) can be read by any other third-party program. So it is a potential vulnerability for your privacy. And it is possible (for dishonest third-party developers and / or proprietary programs) to add some information identifying you (for example, your IP) to the data that the KUserFeedback collected and then to send it to their third-party servers. And may be, you even will not know about it. And it is possible to be done, even in case when you turned off sending in KUserfeedBack settings._
(4) _And some people provide arguments that the software designed in this a way, like the KUserFeedback, does not match the definition of "free software"._
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_And the KDE could easily write their software in a such way that the user (if he wants) could completely remove the KUserFeedback. But KDE does not want to do it consciously!_
PS.
_I do not know whether there is this KUserFeedback installed on this phone, or Pine64 removed this thing out from its DE. And excuse me for my bad english, pls._ 😀
Does it use GPU acceleration?
Love this piece of technology.How do i get into making app for this? I am a newbie?
First you should find out if somebody didn't make an app similar to yours so you can either try to improve it or fork it if the development is dead. If there is no project like your idea or just you want to go solo from the beginning then first decide what framework you are going to use. The main ones are QT for Plasma Mobile or GTK for Gnome/Phosh. Both frameworks have special guides and libraries to make mobile/adaptive apps. QT has Kirigami, GTK has GTK3/libhandy or GTK4/libadwaita. I guess you should start by looking into these things.
@@novh4ck Thanks i will look into it ;)
finally this is what I wanted, holy shit is so cool
6:56 mate it's called a web browser. Or keep a proprietary device (your old phone would do fine) at home and/or work on wifi for those proprietary services. native apps for messaging is like the only must have. The pinephone is good enough to where you can leave the house with just that phone.
A website doesn’t have the same features as an app, nor does it run as fast. No authenticating purchases with my bank in a website
In my area we have an app used for government/bank authentication/digital signing that's only available on Android and iOS, no web app
Finally, Linux phone have respectable specs.I will probably wait 5 years before buying one
I'd like to be able to switch to a Linux phone, but not for that much money and not until the apps that I use on my iPhone are available--my phone is my audiobook player, and several of apps aren't made for Linux.
If the problem is around the apps, so the companies should be more flexible, and put their apps on their website to give us chance to download it without store.. However, it’s not a big issue for who cares about privacy.
Can you run other distro? Because jingOS runs android apps
Of course. It's Linux but there is no JingOS for the PinePhone. You can install Waydroid on your current distro and run Android apps with it.
Did you try running linux apps using anbox?
Anbox is very slow and uses an old Android version.
Waydroid is a new project which does the same as Anbox but with way better performance and a newer Android version but it has some bugs and isn't ready yet.
@@AP-kx4yw Even so, it may be a better solution as it is more stable. Most apps work well on the android version anbox uses. They are also already starting to prepare to upgrade the android version. If I got it right (and remember right), they are aiming to upgrade from 7 to 10.
@@brunoais Sure it would be nice if Anbox would upgrade to a newer version, but I don't see anything about that in the GitHub repository.
Unfortunately, this would not solve the problem, because Anbox would still be totally slow.
If you don't need it that fast now, Anbox is the better choice, but Waydroid will replace Anbox in the long run in my opinion.
I tried it but it’s extremely clunky. It’s super slow, side loading fails most of the time, and most apps just didn’t run at all
@@TheLinuxEXP Ouch. In that case, I'm really lucky with anbox. I use it on my desktop to run android apps. It runs very well. As long as the app doesn't require Gapps, no app ever failed me.
Some apps have some easily ignorable quirks due to the resolution but they work well.
It's unfortunate, it's still like this...
Thanks for the answer
“Mom murder hotline” LMAO
I love to have double bootable phone android + Linux, but it is impossible :(
Well some has succeeded with that approach. I think there are 1 or 2 devices that support that
@@MyTablet12 o really 🙂, nice i was searching for info in net on this subject do not got anything valuable. If i can install Linux besides android 14 on my pixel 4a in 2 years i will be so happy 😁
You can dual boot Windows/Linux with Android on OnePlus 6T, but last time I checked you can't receive calls on Linux
Pro1-X
Olimex LIME2 can run either on the same SoC as the PinePhone. I believe the main problem is the modem firmware, it's not in mainline Android.
Why so laggy? I following that project for years, and still they are unable to create enough powerful device. Some people don't need ultra hi-res cameras. put 2mp on front, and 8mp ONE camera on back with powerful soc inside. And do small version, like 5inch (not that shovel). WE WILL BE HAPPY!
One thing I wonder about that... Aren't all these apps you say you need (twitter,facebook,messenger etc) already available through the web browser? I mean sure a native app surely would be more stylish than a web app, but for me it sounds kind of weird that a linux phone would be less compatible than an android phone. Yes there are like a million apps on google play but 90% of them are either paid, are full of adds or generally sucks, and yeah, you can't make android apps - on android. On linux you can at least make your own apps from scratch in case no one has made an app for you. The only app I am running on my linux desktop now that I predict would not be runnable on the phone is Android Studio but honestly, if I have a linux phone I wouldn't need android studio to begin with... I think a linux phone already is way more powerful than an android but sure, I can see why you wouldn't want to type sudo apt install xxxx in your soft keyboard everytime you wanted to install an app...