Tiny little beast. I just wish the storage upgrades weren’t so horrendously expensive but with three thunderbolt ports could easily just use an external ssd.
I'm going back and forth on whether I want to purchase this, or a MacBook Air. The base model Mac Mini is quite frankly the most I'll need for some time. I just don't know if I want to get this or a MacBook Air. I'm thinking I'm waiting for the MacBook Air to update to the same minimum specs (16GB RAM, 256GB SSD).
the support for high-impedence headphones gives me warm and fuzzies and reminds me of the 2000s when Macs shipped with combi ports that combined 3.5mm and optical TOSlink. I'm pretty sure most people had no idea their headphone jack was also an optical port, but a lot of them probably wondered why they would occasionally see a red light faintly shining out of it. From what I've heard it was one of those neat audiophile Steve things that he insisted on adding, but I'm sure it also has to do with serving pro/pro-sumer customers who might want to plug into an external DAC/interface. Ultimately USB DACs are better and much more flexible and versatile (and bi-directional) so it's understandable that later Macs have dropped the optical capability, but it does make it slightly harder or more annoying to get a digital signal straight out to some devices, particularly older ones
Those combiports were on a bunch of higher end PC's too, usually the PC's you'd also find FireWire 400 on (even when FireWire 800 was considered standard and kind of old hat on the Mac scene). One of my old workstation boards in an old custom build had them.
I remember connecting my Yamaha receiver to this combo port. It needed a cable which was almost impossible to find in my town lol. What a great time that was!
Thing is it's not as useful in the studio as you might think. Mostly due to clocking. They would have to add a BNC port since adat clocking protocols are just okay. In a hybrid workflow extra outputs would be useful since more is, well better, but I think you would have to create an aggregate device still if you wanted to use the built in headphone out as an output on an AUX track or something like that. And then, latency. How sensitive are you basically. But it could still be useful I think. Maybe as a send for something that isn't so strict with regards to latency (outboard reverb or something like that). More of an audiophile thing for sure. But these days most DACs for audiophile crowd will probably have a USB port anyway. In addition to something like ADAT or Spidf maybe. Anyway thems the days for sure.
Using a 2012 mac mini for my home theater. Mac mini is the only device that sees my 5.1 sound system as 2.0 through optical link. Drives me nuts. Even ancient ps3 recognizes the hardware as 5.1
@ how old is your HT receiver? Do you have HDMI in? Might be time to update to an Apple Silicon machine, even a used M1 for ~$350 will run many circles around your 2012 model and look visually indistinguishable from the outside. If you don’t have HDMI in on your receiver you can buy an inexpensive HDMI passthrough dongle with an optical out that should output a 5.1 surround signal if properly encoded. Not sure if the Mac Mini’s HDMI out does surround, I imagine it should if it’s 2.0/2.1/etc standard compliant.
Even 16GB memory won’t be enough. By looking at Apple’s track record of making older Macs obsolete sooner and sooner, maybe they try to load whole services into the memory with next OS upgrade which fills up the memory and again feels like using 8 GB machine with MacOS 10.14. I don’t think bumping an additional 8 Gb is to be considered as an upgrade.
My last Mac was the base M1 MacBook Air. I'm looking for something a bit more robust for home work, but nothing crazy. I think the base M4 will be perfect. I'm going to ride out my M1 MacBook Air for another 2-3 years and then replace it with something much more substantial.
Thanks to another review you did, I immediately upgraded from the M2 Studio Max to the Mac Mini M4 Pro. What a difference in performance. Delivery is in about 10 days. Thanks, Luke... you are the best at these kind of reviews.
Indeed, USB 3.2 NVME enclosures are cheap as chips, NVME drives are pretty cheap too. You can save money going with Gen 3 given USB 3.2 (and even Thunderbolt 4) can't really take advantage of anything faster anyway.
In the Philippines, the base-spec M4 Mac Mini is Php37k. That's one or two paychecks for me, even if I include a decent 120hz IPS monitor, USB dock, 1TB NVMe SSD and cheap external enclosure, and mouse + keyboard. And for something that isn't gonna leave the house anyway, that is a screamer deal. Even paying Apple's BS pricing to upgrade the RAM to 24GB still puts me well in the black. I've had an A1932 Air for six years. This is the perfect time to upgrade.
@naim3968 not enough RAM. I produce videos for an arts organization and it's easy to max out 8gb with color correction, chroma key, titles and other effects on a 90+min project.
The fact that compared to the M1s is pretty smart. I think a bunch of people (including me) are looking to upgrade after 3 years of (arguably a still great) M1.
Embrace the Apple way, you can use an Apple USB-C to 3,5mm jack dongle on one of the back USB-C ports and now the cable is behind the Mac Mini. But seriously, this usb-c dongle is very useful and can solve your problem, I have one in my backpack with my heardphones
I have a PC. The new chassis makes the Mac Mini the perfect size for mounting to the inside of my case. I couldn't with the old chassis; it was too big to fit in my Mini ITX bracket. All I need is to 3D print a few parts that go around the new chassis and adapt the Mini to the standoff points of a Mini ITX motherboard. Who needs dualbooting when you can have 2 separate systems in 1 case?
@@D-Onecause he has so little space at his place that he needs to put that nano mini in something else. It was either his actual PC case or the cereal box.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade my very capable 8 core 2020 27 intel iMac. I think with this M4 Pro Mac Mini, I have found it! Hell even the M4 base config and more storage is a steal!!! Just wow!
I got a Mac Pro 2008 8-core Xeon. Really old now. I hoped for Mac Studio M3 this WWDC 2024 but it never came. So after that it was obvious that it will never come, so Apple will skip M3 for Mac Studio (and Pro and Mini). Since I prefer a desktop machine with external display of my own choice I can only pick from Mac Mini/Studio/Pro. Pro is out of my league, too expensive. So now it's about Mac Mini and Mac Studio. Mac Mini M4 is revealed so we know everything. It hurts that USB-A is removed! My choices now are: 1 - a better speced Mac Mini M4 2 - wait for Mac Studio M4 and see The problem with Mac Studio is that I have to wait for WWDC 2025. Probably. So it's 7 months and some days left. I also got a good MacBook Pro so I'm okay. I feel I can wait 7 months. Mac Studio will have 10 Gbps Ethernet as default, M4 Max, TB5, more ports, and hopefully they will keep 1-2 USB-A. I don't wanna buy Mac Studio M2. It's not worth it. The first M2 came out at WWDC 2022. Almost 2 1/2 years ago. So if I wanna buy a 2000 dollar Mac and spec it up for some more money it's a scam with Mac Studio M2 -.-
I am so close on pulling the trigger for the M4 Pro. But I am going to wait for reviews. My primary concern is heat. Apple showed restraint with the M1. My 13" M1 MBP can hit the mid 90 degrees with the fans maxed out during Handbrake x265 operations. I know the SOC can handle it and I know that is a laptop, not a desktop, but with the smaller size of this new Mac Mini I have to wonder if the M4 Pro is just going to throttle all the time.
Heat is the last thing I’d worry about. These M4 chips are so efficient at this point and I think Apple learned a lot from past mistakes. It’s absurd to think Apple would make a new device that throttles. I’m sure that’s taken into consideration.
The reviews are going to be interesting. If the cooling can cope, it's going to be a little beast. But my experience with my M1 Max MBP, 24 core GPU model, is that working the GPU hard makes it heat up and deplete the battery like another other laptop. The efficiency magic only seems to apply to the CPU.
*I’m not super techy, but seeing the Mac Mini with the M4 chip come out right after I bought a Mac Studio with the M2 Max has me feeling pretty upset. It’s so much cheaper, and now I’m questioning if my Mac Studio was worth the cost. Anyone else feel like this?*
M2 Max is probably still faster than M4 pro. I wouldn't mind, unless you love the form factor or you can still return it. But wait for the reviews and benchmarks.
That isn't what dispatch buffers entries means. The entries are just a queue of work to do that lets the out of order engine expose a bit more instruction level parallelism to the ALUs. Basically, it contributes to the number of instructions that can be in flight, which went up by 13. We are decoding more operations because the decoder can do 10/cycle. This happens before the dispatch buffers. Whether or not more entries can be the shuttled to the ALUs depends on whether they added more ALUs and whether the added depth the dispatch buffers helps expose more ILP. While an oversimplification, if we look at behavior in loops, it means the loop body can be a small number of instructions longer and we can still find instruction level parallelism, or alternatively, we can fit more loop iterations in this window and maybe get more ILP that way. Here we assume that the loop body is mostly a bunch of serially dependent operations, though of course it doesn't have to be, in which case there is more ILP that the processor probably already found. It would have been nice if Apple told us whether there were any new ALUs to go with this extra dispatch bandwidth / issue depth, or if they were running a little lean before.
WoW Luke this thing is nuts, but two things come to mind. What does this do for the used market prices to Mac Mini and also where does the Mac Studio fit into the picture now ? or compare ?
Mac Studio and Pro really should be a pure PRO device, where time = money, and your crunching some seriously complex 4K and 8K video, or doing some demanding 3-D rendering, again where time = money.
@@lukemianiI’m thinking about this especially in Brazil. The old M2 Mac Minis used to be sold by Apple at R$11,000 and the new base model is around R$8,900. I still see Mac Minis M2 being sold in marketplaces smuggled in the country for 11,000 which is more expensive than buying the new one directly from Apple. Whoever has a stock of these things will have a huge loss.
What are folks thoughts on M4 with 24 GB RAM and 512 GB storage for $999 vs base M4 Pro with the same ram and storage for $1399? Is the extra $400 worth it for the faster chip and Thunderbolt 5 for us normal users? I’m more concerned about future proofing but it seems like saving 40% now to spend down the road is a better choice. What am I missing? Thoughts?
I mean M4 Pro is definitely in a different class of performance. Thunderbolt 5 sounds insane, but especially now there isn‘t a single thing that could utilize it. Lastly I don‘t really understand why you would upgrade the RAM on the base M4 Mac Mini, even 5 years in the future 16 GB will be fine.
To answer quickly, yeah, the Pro chip is worth the extra 400 bucks. But since you’re really thinking about the future, the better question is: how long do you plan on keeping it? If you’re sticking with it for 2 years, just grab the M4 and save some cash. But if you’re in it for 4 years or more, go for the M4 Pro-you’ll get more when you sell it later. And remember, 24GB of RAM is way more than you need for normal use, so maybe you can save even more with the M4 16gb
Heck, I don't think even the new iMac makes any sense. Not after the release of this new Mac Mini. You can get a cheaper experience with either the Base Mini and External Display. Or a much more enhanced experience with the Mini Pro and a High-end Monitor. Apple is very aware of this situation, and I believe they are betting that their customers are just dumb enough for higher profit margins.
I'm more than excited about the new Mac mini! It's about time that the form factor has been changed, and the better specs with no not much of an increase is fantastic!
I dont think I care about the macbook pros, unless they make them thinner. This mini is an actual mini and it’s amazing, with the M4 Pro and base memory it’s perfect for at least five years
Why do you want a thinner MacBook? You're going to compromise on something, either cooling or battery life and the cooling for the Max chips isn't enough.
@@mjbakedbeansM4 should be better at thermal management and performance so they could actually make them thinner. I think the ideal macbook pro thickness is the average of the current MacBook pro and Air.
@m89hu should it tho? At full tilt they should consume the same power as M3 and put out the same heat just be able to complete more work using that same energy. I doubt apple will turn down the tdp
@@m89huRemember the last time they made the MacBook pros thinner? Yep, they completely and unanimously sucked. If the MacBook Air is ideal, then buy it. It’s thin and serves that purpose
A USB-C to USB-A adapter costs close to nothing, so that's always an option. I went full USB-C since I got my current Macbook 5 years ago and fully embrace the C-life. I definitely don't miss that dumb clunky connector at all! I feel like a bloody caveman when I am flipping over the USB-A 4 times trying to get it in properly.
No, doesn't make any sense. 64GB of RAM for a PC is $100 vs $800 for Mac. 2TB Samsung SSD is $150-180 vs $800 for Mac. RTX 4080 is much faster also. Macs could not be upgraded at all. Neither RAM nor SSD.
It's a Mini. They'll always be useful for something. I have two 2014s, a 2020, a Studio and I just ordered the new Mini. Just don't pay the exorbitant upgrade prices. Base models only (the 2014s I upgraded the internal storage myself) :) Dedicate as a Plex hub, use for security cameras, a streaming device to a TV, a streaming music player.
8:19 - No. It's not 1.4 times higher. It's 0.4 times higher. Think logically: Parity is as high as, not 1 times higher. (1x1=1) On the other hand, 1 times higher would be an unusual way of saying twice as high, or 2 times as fast (1+1=2) . So, 1.4 times higher would be 2.4 times as fast (1+1.4=2.4).
This should have been a stage event. I’m actually excited about a new Apple product ! If it wasn’t for your video popping up in my feed, I wouldn’t have known they updated the mini.
wow! This is totally brilliant! Even the entry level of this mini actually very good, I hope in the next generation of this mini they will include SD Card too, it would be very handy.
@@FaissalVeenhuizen Mac Mini M1 base model. Going for the same again. I do code and light graphical work, so never needed anything more than the base one. I really think most people probably fall into that category. We have to remember the folk that review computers in terms of power, are often producing high quality video footage, so there's a kind of vested interest in the higher spec stuff. Having said that, Luke generally will buy a selection of Macs and pit them against each other, which is useful for those undecided. The base model really is a no-brainer for many - I hardly even made my M1 mini struggle. I use my PC to do more intensive stuff, such as LLM - but I'm interested to see how the M4 base model fairs compared with my beefed up PC.
@@matthewtrow5698 Nice. I'm still using my iMac 5K 27 inch Radeon Pro 580 8 GB 580 8 GB 4.2ghz i7 24GB ram from 6 years ago. Spent 3.2k on it so I will wait 2 years more to upgrade to a m6 I think
@@Jushwa yes, he also said that its tomorrow, i just hoped i could have ordered it monday. anyway, it doesnt matter, they all ship at the same time anyway next week haha
@@robertkozak haha that would be nuts. but though i am willing to splurge some of my wifes salary on this, i am not sure i would pay 20k for a laptop, which a 256 gb version probably would cost 😂😂
Honestly external ssd storage might be viable with this M4 Pro Mac. Saying this is rated for 120 Gbps vs 40 Gbps this would mean we would have roughly 3x faster speeds. So this is hitting a little above PCIE 4.0 SSD’s which are quite a bit faster than regular Mac ssd memory.
At first, I was thinking that the power button placement was a dumb idea, but I'm thinking that if you're mounting this on the back of a monitor with the fans pointing away from the back of the monitor, then that power placement is probably perfect.
I'm still rocking my M1 Pro MBP14 and I think the base M4 will be more than capabale since I have absolutely no issues with speed on my M1 Pro. Sounds like a bargain for 599
Its still £200 for a measly 8GB RAM upgrade and another £200 for a measly 256GB SSD Upgrade in 2024 SHOCKING ! It's as if the advances in RAM and SSD technology and consequent price per GB decrease didn't happen on Apple world.
M4PRO 12 core , 64gig, 4TB is £3200. That best reflects my MacBook Pro M1Pro that cost £4000. I'm really impressed with the specs available on this thing. I'm not over worried about heat performance either given that I haven't heard the fans in this MacBook Pro more than once when was exporting a audio project and a screen flow project at the same time.
@@NeptuneSegawhy wouldn’t it be good for complicated stuff as well? Last time I checked the base m1 was good enough for it. Audio production software didn’t get heavier in the last 4-5 years.. that’s not something that happens often in the audio production world.
Many sample based VSTs like Keyscape or NI Kontakt need both a lot of RAM and storage. You would not be able to install anything on internal 256GB SSD. You would need at least 1 or 2TB external SSD. For a Windows PC, 64GB of RAM is only $100 and 2TB SSD is about $150-180. That would be standard configuration for music production on Windows. I don't remember when I had a PC with 256GB SSD. 10 years ago probably.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf I never needed more than 16 on Apple silicon while using Kontakt, Specrasonics Libraries etc. I produce pop and not orchestras in which 64GB would come in handy. For any other genre 16 is the sweet spot!
So my question is, How does the M4 Pro Mac Mini compare to each generation of the Mac Studio? Is there value and longevity to be had in an M1 Mac Studio?
This Mac mini is insane. I'm a light user (currently using a base M2 mini). I'd grab a new base M4 mini once it's confirmed they're still using 2 128GB nand. I wouldn't be interested if it still has the slow ssd mine currently has (about 1400-1500 mbps sequential read/write). M3 Macbook airs did have 128Gb nands so I'm optimistic. Is there a chance you can include a Blackmagic disk speed test in your review? (or any ssd benchmark)
Been going back and forth on a Mac Mini M2 Pro vs a Studio M2 Max. I thought the new Mini M4 Pro would be an obvious slam dunk, but I'm not so sure. Yes the M4 chip is a huge improvement. But the new Mini has 16 GPU vs 30 for the older M2 Max. You get 24GB of memory vs 32 on the Studio. If you upgrade to 1TB of storage, the M4 Pro is $1599 and the Studio M2 Max is $2199. But if you're a photographer (like me) you will need a SDXC card reader for the Mini while the Studio comes with one. That's something I use a lot.
Luke, I'd live to see a video on the options for using my 5K Intel iMac as a monitor for this new Mac Mini. I know the 5K iMac doesn't support Target Mode. But there are other options as far as I am aware.
Yep!! I'm excited! I still rock my M1 Mini as a daily driver and it's still fast and awesome to use. The incredible specs on the M4 Pro have made my decision and I'm buying one. I can't wait! My current M1 will be relegated to my home media server, and I will finally retire my old Corei7 mini (my current media server.) I have been waiting very impatiently for this generation of Mini 🙂 Excellent video as always!
Would be interesting to see a comparison between an external TB5 Storage device (probably using NVME Gen 5 drives) vs. the internal storage (thinking of probably having external housings using several NVME drives utilizing the full TB5 bandwidth)
Mac mini M4 Pro, for a person doing simple video editing (GoPro) which is desirable. Increase the memory from 24GB to 48GB or increase the CPU/GPU cores?
I am still using a Mac Studio with the M1 Max - Should I consider upgrading to this? I assume a new Mac Studio with M4Max is going to be three times as expensive. But to be honest - the M1Max is still serving me just fine.
Hey Luke. Your production values have gotten way better. I like how you introduce sponsors and your musical choices. Keep it up and I want those comparison videos.
Will the outdated mac studio receive an update later this year? Perhaps not, that might steal the buzz of the mac mini. So when would it be most realistic to release the M4/max/ultra or whatever they call it on the mac studio?
I’m really curious how the M4 Pro mini stacks up against the M2 Max Studio. If it’s similar in terms of performance, but at the same price, you could get more storage/memory, that alone would be a great value
Assuming that the M4 Max keeps the existing M4 trend, the line up looks much better than the previous M series especially the M3. The M3 added a lot of great stuff and performance, but the memory bandwidth and options were a mess. The M4 has a nice memory bandwidth bump and RAM options that are not bad. I think misses were not having 6P/4E or 6E option and 48GB to 64GB RAM options. If the M4 had RAM options of the M4 Pro and the M4 Pro were bumped a bit, I think the line up would be even more attractive. M4 Pro finally feels like a chip in the middle of the line up. The specs were way off with the M1 Pro and M2 Pro compared to their Max counterparts and the M3 was better except the memory bandwidth was downgraded to 150GB/s and the RAM options were perplexing. The M4 Pro memory bandwidth jumps to 273GB/s which is is the fastest in the Pro line up. I think the only real miss for the M4 Pro is not having AV1 encoding as it would have made a nice distinction between the M4 and the M4 Pro given the Pro is aimed more at content creators. I have to comment on my normal negatives. Apple purposefully cripling technology to create feature benefits is just bad, it is fustrating, and it’s sad to me that they do this to make different models more compelling rather than adding real features to make them more compelling. i.e. A cheap SD reader that doesn;t even offer 2 year old performance is not an impressive feature. There are two Thunderbolt controller so there should be 4 DisplayPort channels which means 4 monitors should be supported. Of course the monitor limitation is a limitation Apple is purposefully injecting into their prodiucts given that DP 1.2 added support for Multi-Stream Transport (MST) in 2010 and Apple is still disabling that feature for marketing. This is worse than the missing Calculator in iPadOS. The missing calculator was likely developer and/or management arrogance and/or incompetence and the monitor issue is likely money driven. It likely costs Apple more to disable MST than it would to support it and if it was just a software issue, someone would have written something to enable MST, which is completely different than DisplayLink which also doesn;t work well on Macs, but works great on PCs. Also, as always their RAM and Storage prices are outrageous.
LUKE... they specific mentioned about Xcode and LLMs. They know that a lot of Mac devs, who like to work at home and don't need MBPs can buy this. Apple include AI assistant in to Xcode, also there is a lot of Ollama or LM Studio solutions with third party LLMs for local use. In my opinnion Apple is trying to give what a lot of devs want, small Mac with huge power for less than MBP. I'm one of them and for me Mini with M4Pro, 64GB and 2TB looks like dream machine for less than 2/3 what I paid for my M1Max MBP in 2021. In my usecases M4Pro could be 2-3 times faster than my current M1Max.
Done ! My replacement of my 2010 Mac mini used as a media center connected to my home cinema AV receiver and TV comes 11/08 i took 10-Core CPU 10-Core GPU 24GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD & 10Gb Ethernet. The timing is just perfect New 4 K Oled Tv and new AV receiver changed last summer. Now with this Mac mini HDMI allows 8K resolution at 60Hz or 4K resolution at 240Hz perfect for all my movies on my home server. The price in Belgium for my order is 1 524,00 € all taxes included. 🤯I hope it will last 14 years like my last Mac mini.
Of all the new M4 devices, the base model Mac Mini definitely deserves alot of recognition. I prefer building desktop pcs myself but even I gotta say that this is spicing up to be a good competition against x86 desktop pcs. Does it go well with 96-109 dpi monitors?
What a real game changer would be, would be a „Rosetta for windows apps“. As a design engineer, who uses PTC software, I am stuck to windows boxes. If Apple would offer a way to run those programs on Mac, I would switch my whole department immediately. ( and no, running a second „OS“ in parallels is not an option).
Tiny little beast. I just wish the storage upgrades weren’t so horrendously expensive but with three thunderbolt ports could easily just use an external ssd.
That's the move. Just buy external storage--at Thunderbolt speeds, it will function perfectly and it will just sit on your desk and not have to move.
Their memory/storage upgrade prices are criminal.
@@apmartini70 Use USB4 and get better speeds than TB ...
yeah they are
@@Wannes_ aren’t the speeds for thunderbolt 4 and usb 4 both 40 gigabit ?
Wow... that thing is tiny, might fit in a pocket which cames in handy since they will be empty if I get one.
Does it have a security lock?
Just work harder. Do more overtime. Save up
@@stevemuzak8526 It was just a joke bro, rocking the M2 Pro, i'll wait for the M7 Pro. :)
its not even that expensive mate
What do you expect to pay?
When the presenter first unveiled it and it looked the same I almost lost it, he got me with that one
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Same here😂😂😂
That switch-up moment channeled Steve Jobs' crowd-pleasing onstage antics & sense of humor. It was great
The base model of the new Mini is very tempting at only $599. I’m not a very heavy user so that would be absolutely perfect.
if you end up getting it, get it from the student store
I'll be getting one.
I'm going back and forth on whether I want to purchase this, or a MacBook Air. The base model Mac Mini is quite frankly the most I'll need for some time. I just don't know if I want to get this or a MacBook Air. I'm thinking I'm waiting for the MacBook Air to update to the same minimum specs (16GB RAM, 256GB SSD).
@@randallsmith2521Mba would probably have worse performance as it may come with the 8 core M4
@@valentinolmao Don't you have to be a student tho?
the support for high-impedence headphones gives me warm and fuzzies and reminds me of the 2000s when Macs shipped with combi ports that combined 3.5mm and optical TOSlink. I'm pretty sure most people had no idea their headphone jack was also an optical port, but a lot of them probably wondered why they would occasionally see a red light faintly shining out of it. From what I've heard it was one of those neat audiophile Steve things that he insisted on adding, but I'm sure it also has to do with serving pro/pro-sumer customers who might want to plug into an external DAC/interface.
Ultimately USB DACs are better and much more flexible and versatile (and bi-directional) so it's understandable that later Macs have dropped the optical capability, but it does make it slightly harder or more annoying to get a digital signal straight out to some devices, particularly older ones
Those combiports were on a bunch of higher end PC's too, usually the PC's you'd also find FireWire 400 on (even when FireWire 800 was considered standard and kind of old hat on the Mac scene). One of my old workstation boards in an old custom build had them.
I remember connecting my Yamaha receiver to this combo port. It needed a cable which was almost impossible to find in my town lol. What a great time that was!
Thing is it's not as useful in the studio as you might think. Mostly due to clocking. They would have to add a BNC port since adat clocking protocols are just okay. In a hybrid workflow extra outputs would be useful since more is, well better, but I think you would have to create an aggregate device still if you wanted to use the built in headphone out as an output on an AUX track or something like that. And then, latency. How sensitive are you basically. But it could still be useful I think. Maybe as a send for something that isn't so strict with regards to latency (outboard reverb or something like that). More of an audiophile thing for sure. But these days most DACs for audiophile crowd will probably have a USB port anyway. In addition to something like ADAT or Spidf maybe. Anyway thems the days for sure.
Using a 2012 mac mini for my home theater. Mac mini is the only device that sees my 5.1 sound system as 2.0 through optical link. Drives me nuts. Even ancient ps3 recognizes the hardware as 5.1
@ how old is your HT receiver? Do you have HDMI in? Might be time to update to an Apple Silicon machine, even a used M1 for ~$350 will run many circles around your 2012 model and look visually indistinguishable from the outside. If you don’t have HDMI in on your receiver you can buy an inexpensive HDMI passthrough dongle with an optical out that should output a 5.1 surround signal if properly encoded. Not sure if the Mac Mini’s HDMI out does surround, I imagine it should if it’s 2.0/2.1/etc standard compliant.
FINALLY. I started with a 2012 mac mini and this new thing brought tears to my eyes. I am so excited and already preordered.
Need to get out more, nice kit but just a piece of metal
@@Jimmyjamesgannonlet people be excited!
@@sillyandjoyus crying about it is abit sad tho
@@Jimmyjamesgannon😂
Buy a portable vacuum cleaner to accompany that. You need to keep the desk cleaner everyday, otherwise it sucks in all the dust from 1m radius.
that 5 minute long ad was crazy.
The jump in price from the base to the pro is insane
I dont understand the reasons to make it smaller…id prefer more ports and better fan/cooling inside…
Yes, at similar ram and ssd config, the mini pro price starts getting in the studio zone…
Purchasing the latest and greatest always costs the mostest.
I mean you go from 10 core M4 (4 P, 6 E) to 14 core (10 P 4 E) that’s a pretty big deal in real usage
Even 16GB memory won’t be enough. By looking at Apple’s track record of making older Macs obsolete sooner and sooner, maybe they try to load whole services into the memory with next OS upgrade which fills up the memory and again feels like using 8 GB machine with MacOS 10.14. I don’t think bumping an additional 8 Gb is to be considered as an upgrade.
My last Mac was the base M1 MacBook Air.
I'm looking for something a bit more robust for home work, but nothing crazy. I think the base M4 will be perfect.
I'm going to ride out my M1 MacBook Air for another 2-3 years and then replace it with something much more substantial.
Yeah agreed, 16gb of ram for base version is finally enough for most of applications.
In 2-3 years we're at M6.
There should be thinner M6 Pro MacBook Pro with OLED in 2026 according to leaks.
Thanks to another review you did, I immediately upgraded from the M2 Studio Max to the Mac Mini M4 Pro. What a difference in performance. Delivery is in about 10 days. Thanks, Luke... you are the best at these kind of reviews.
Internals well observed and analyzed, kudos
Tbh, for $600, and all you have to do is get external storage, it's a great deal. I'll def be upgrading from my 27" 2017 iMac.
Same here. My 2017 iMac’s days are numbered.
well, you need a nice monitor too which is going to cost $500+ for a nice 4k HDR one.
@@jaredowner most people buying this computer already have an external monitor and accessories to go along with it...
@@jaredowner I’ve already got a couple good monitors for my PC, so I can just hook it up to those, and switch back and forth when needed.
Indeed, USB 3.2 NVME enclosures are cheap as chips, NVME drives are pretty cheap too. You can save money going with Gen 3 given USB 3.2 (and even Thunderbolt 4) can't really take advantage of anything faster anyway.
256 GB is a joke for the base mini. Really hate the storage upgrade costs. They suck.
In the Philippines, the base-spec M4 Mac Mini is Php37k. That's one or two paychecks for me, even if I include a decent 120hz IPS monitor, USB dock, 1TB NVMe SSD and cheap external enclosure, and mouse + keyboard. And for something that isn't gonna leave the house anyway, that is a screamer deal. Even paying Apple's BS pricing to upgrade the RAM to 24GB still puts me well in the black. I've had an A1932 Air for six years. This is the perfect time to upgrade.
sorry to hear that. but this machine will last a long time i think. i used my old mac mini for over 8 years
I agreed with you for the BS RAM upgrade pricing, U$200 for 8 GB. upgrade is a Robbery😭😫🤬
Don't be a sheep, buy a pc
@@amarug Put Linux on the old Mac Mini, it will last forever.
Finally gonna step up from my base model m1 mac mini. I have never pre-ordered anything from apple so this is a first for me. Wild.
Are you just upgrading for the ram, or is the m1 not enough power for you?
@naim3968 not enough RAM. I produce videos for an arts organization and it's easy to max out 8gb with color correction, chroma key, titles and other effects on a 90+min project.
The fact that compared to the M1s is pretty smart. I think a bunch of people (including me) are looking to upgrade after 3 years of (arguably a still great) M1.
More importantly, the follow on to the M1 is the M4, the M2 and M3 were interim.
1:29 lol Luke it’s uhmPEEdns, impotence is something else 🤣
lol
No it’s IMPOTENCE, lol
In the comments just to make sure this comment was already here 😂
Would have been nice to get an SD reader on the front. Making it smaller is a nice party trick, but doesn't really matter.
I still wish it had an audio port on the back. I don't really want the audio cord for my speakers coming out the front looking all janky. RIP USB-A.
Well I will be using my USB-C dongle for existing USB-A connections in the back... you could do something similar!
Embrace the Apple way, you can use an Apple USB-C to 3,5mm jack dongle on one of the back USB-C ports and now the cable is behind the Mac Mini. But seriously, this usb-c dongle is very useful and can solve your problem, I have one in my backpack with my heardphones
@@david1610same I will do this to keep my current USB-A keyboard and mouse
@@mvsv12 I think I have one somewhere
@@david1610 yea I have a usb-c to usb-a multi port hub I’ll be using for a few things: webcam, ham radios, scanner, etc
I have a PC.
The new chassis makes the Mac Mini the perfect size for mounting to the inside of my case. I couldn't with the old chassis; it was too big to fit in my Mini ITX bracket.
All I need is to 3D print a few parts that go around the new chassis and adapt the Mini to the standoff points of a Mini ITX motherboard.
Who needs dualbooting when you can have 2 separate systems in 1 case?
Or you could pay half as much an do IOMMU passthrough to game inside your host VM in at maximum frame rate, while also browsing on the same machine
But why put it inside the PC case to begin with? You just increase the temps of both
@@D-Onecause he has so little space at his place that he needs to put that nano mini in something else. It was either his actual PC case or the cereal box.
😲
Lmmfao @@REMY.C.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade my very capable 8 core 2020 27 intel iMac.
I think with this M4 Pro Mac Mini, I have found it! Hell even the M4 base config and more storage is a steal!!!
Just wow!
I'm upgrading from a 2017 27 intel iMac 😅
Will it be possible to use 2020 imac as external display for this macmini. I understand via airplay yes, only?
I got a Mac Pro 2008 8-core Xeon. Really old now. I hoped for Mac Studio M3 this WWDC 2024 but it never came. So after that it was obvious that it will never come, so Apple will skip M3 for Mac Studio (and Pro and Mini).
Since I prefer a desktop machine with external display of my own choice I can only pick from Mac Mini/Studio/Pro. Pro is out of my league, too expensive. So now it's about Mac Mini and Mac Studio. Mac Mini M4 is revealed so we know everything. It hurts that USB-A is removed!
My choices now are:
1 - a better speced Mac Mini M4
2 - wait for Mac Studio M4 and see
The problem with Mac Studio is that I have to wait for WWDC 2025. Probably. So it's 7 months and some days left. I also got a good MacBook Pro so I'm okay. I feel I can wait 7 months.
Mac Studio will have 10 Gbps Ethernet as default, M4 Max, TB5, more ports, and hopefully they will keep 1-2 USB-A.
I don't wanna buy Mac Studio M2. It's not worth it. The first M2 came out at WWDC 2022. Almost 2 1/2 years ago. So if I wanna buy a 2000 dollar Mac and spec it up for some more money it's a scam with Mac Studio M2 -.-
@@zydriusjno, you’ll need to gut the internals and pot in a third party driver board. Not for the faint of heart, but very doable.
I am so close on pulling the trigger for the M4 Pro. But I am going to wait for reviews. My primary concern is heat.
Apple showed restraint with the M1. My 13" M1 MBP can hit the mid 90 degrees with the fans maxed out during Handbrake x265 operations. I know the SOC can handle it and I know that is a laptop, not a desktop, but with the smaller size of this new Mac Mini I have to wonder if the M4 Pro is just going to throttle all the time.
Heat is the last thing I’d worry about. These M4 chips are so efficient at this point and I think Apple learned a lot from past mistakes.
It’s absurd to think Apple would make a new device that throttles. I’m sure that’s taken into consideration.
The reviews are going to be interesting. If the cooling can cope, it's going to be a little beast. But my experience with my M1 Max MBP, 24 core GPU model, is that working the GPU hard makes it heat up and deplete the battery like another other laptop. The efficiency magic only seems to apply to the CPU.
@@GlobalWave1yeah, I have the M2 Mac Mini and even playing games the temperature doesn’t go above 70° Celsius in a warm country (Brazil).
*I’m not super techy, but seeing the Mac Mini with the M4 chip come out right after I bought a Mac Studio with the M2 Max has me feeling pretty upset. It’s so much cheaper, and now I’m questioning if my Mac Studio was worth the cost. Anyone else feel like this?*
*no*
M2 Max is probably still faster than M4 pro. I wouldn't mind, unless you love the form factor or you can still return it. But wait for the reviews and benchmarks.
The whole world knew this was coming? Why would you buy a Mac Studio just before M4 product launch?
@@mba2808 the m4 pro will smoke the M2 Max - 10 performance cores with way higher IPC per core.
@@SuperHariSeldon because my old computer crashed , it was 10 years old and I need one for my work
That isn't what dispatch buffers entries means. The entries are just a queue of work to do that lets the out of order engine expose a bit more instruction level parallelism to the ALUs. Basically, it contributes to the number of instructions that can be in flight, which went up by 13. We are decoding more operations because the decoder can do 10/cycle. This happens before the dispatch buffers. Whether or not more entries can be the shuttled to the ALUs depends on whether they added more ALUs and whether the added depth the dispatch buffers helps expose more ILP. While an oversimplification, if we look at behavior in loops, it means the loop body can be a small number of instructions longer and we can still find instruction level parallelism, or alternatively, we can fit more loop iterations in this window and maybe get more ILP that way. Here we assume that the loop body is mostly a bunch of serially dependent operations, though of course it doesn't have to be, in which case there is more ILP that the processor probably already found.
It would have been nice if Apple told us whether there were any new ALUs to go with this extra dispatch bandwidth / issue depth, or if they were running a little lean before.
WoW Luke this thing is nuts, but two things come to mind. What does this do for the used market prices to Mac Mini and also where does the Mac Studio fit into the picture now ? or compare ?
Mac Studio and Pro really should be a pure PRO device, where time = money, and your crunching some seriously complex 4K and 8K video, or doing some demanding 3-D rendering, again where time = money.
I'd be shocked if used Mac mini prices don't drop noticeably from this update
I think the Mac Studio needs a SERIOUS update now LOLOL
@@lukemianiI’m thinking about this especially in Brazil. The old M2 Mac Minis used to be sold by Apple at R$11,000 and the new base model is around R$8,900. I still see Mac Minis M2 being sold in marketplaces smuggled in the country for 11,000 which is more expensive than buying the new one directly from Apple. Whoever has a stock of these things will have a huge loss.
11:17 probably closest ever for a Mac to ‘worth its actual weight in gold’.
What are folks thoughts on M4 with 24 GB RAM and 512 GB storage for $999 vs base M4 Pro with the same ram and storage for $1399? Is the extra $400 worth it for the faster chip and Thunderbolt 5 for us normal users? I’m more concerned about future proofing but it seems like saving 40% now to spend down the road is a better choice.
What am I missing? Thoughts?
future 6k/7k pro display or studio display with promotion need thunderbolt 5 connection.
I mean M4 Pro is definitely in a different class of performance. Thunderbolt 5 sounds insane, but especially now there isn‘t a single thing that could utilize it. Lastly I don‘t really understand why you would upgrade the RAM on the base M4 Mac Mini, even 5 years in the future 16 GB will be fine.
To answer quickly, yeah, the Pro chip is worth the extra 400 bucks. But since you’re really thinking about the future, the better question is: how long do you plan on keeping it?
If you’re sticking with it for 2 years, just grab the M4 and save some cash. But if you’re in it for 4 years or more, go for the M4 Pro-you’ll get more when you sell it later. And remember, 24GB of RAM is way more than you need for normal use, so maybe you can save even more with the M4 16gb
I think the smart buys are:
- $600 Base M4
- $1500 M4 Pro (+Ethernet)
...the rest do not make sense.
Heck, I don't think even the new iMac makes any sense.
Not after the release of this new Mac Mini. You can get a cheaper experience with either the Base Mini and External Display. Or a much more enhanced experience with the Mini Pro and a High-end Monitor. Apple is very aware of this situation, and I believe they are betting that their customers are just dumb enough for higher profit margins.
I'm more than excited about the new Mac mini! It's about time that the form factor has been changed, and the better specs with no not much of an increase is fantastic!
Can’t wait to see you teardown that little beautiful Mac mini 👍
Base model M4 mini is a home run for the performance-to-value metric. Most compelling release since the M1 Air
I dont think I care about the macbook pros, unless they make them thinner. This mini is an actual mini and it’s amazing, with the M4 Pro and base memory it’s perfect for at least five years
yup. I just ordered the pro with 1TB.
Why do you want a thinner MacBook? You're going to compromise on something, either cooling or battery life and the cooling for the Max chips isn't enough.
@@mjbakedbeansM4 should be better at thermal management and performance so they could actually make them thinner. I think the ideal macbook pro thickness is the average of the current MacBook pro and Air.
@m89hu should it tho? At full tilt they should consume the same power as M3 and put out the same heat just be able to complete more work using that same energy. I doubt apple will turn down the tdp
@@m89huRemember the last time they made the MacBook pros thinner?
Yep, they completely and unanimously sucked. If the MacBook Air is ideal, then buy it. It’s thin and serves that purpose
If the ad in your video wasn't 2 whole minutes long, I might not have skipped it. Brevity is the soul of wit.
Would have liked a couple USB A ports on the back for legacy devices like webcams and headsets but I get it, looks a decent upgrade
A USB-C to USB-A adapter costs close to nothing, so that's always an option. I went full USB-C since I got my current Macbook 5 years ago and fully embrace the C-life. I definitely don't miss that dumb clunky connector at all! I feel like a bloody caveman when I am flipping over the USB-A 4 times trying to get it in properly.
It is so impressive because you can connect this to your TV and have a full setup in your living room.😊
does it make sense to switch from a PC with i7 12700K and an RTX 4080 to an M4 Mac Mini
it looks really cool
No, doesn't make any sense. 64GB of RAM for a PC is $100 vs $800 for Mac. 2TB Samsung SSD is $150-180 vs $800 for Mac. RTX 4080 is much faster also. Macs could not be upgraded at all. Neither RAM nor SSD.
The base model is on sale for $499 at Costco during the "Mac Savings Event" (November 18 - December 2, 2024).
I am concerned about loading up the Mac Mini and then in a few months noticing, I should have bought the new Mac Studio lol
That’s why I ordered a base mini pro.
It's a Mini. They'll always be useful for something. I have two 2014s, a 2020, a Studio and I just ordered the new Mini. Just don't pay the exorbitant upgrade prices. Base models only (the 2014s I upgraded the internal storage myself) :)
Dedicate as a Plex hub, use for security cameras, a streaming device to a TV, a streaming music player.
We really need a comparison between the Mini M4 Pro and the Studio M2 Max. When not adding a lot of storage, they come out to roughly the same budget.
8:19 - No. It's not 1.4 times higher. It's 0.4 times higher. Think logically: Parity is as high as, not 1 times higher. (1x1=1) On the other hand, 1 times higher would be an unusual way of saying twice as high, or 2 times as fast (1+1=2) . So, 1.4 times higher would be 2.4 times as fast (1+1.4=2.4).
This should have been a stage event. I’m actually excited about a new Apple product ! If it wasn’t for your video popping up in my feed, I wouldn’t have known they updated the mini.
Killed off the usb a ports so they could get you to buy their accessories
no one uses USB-A lol its 2024 not 2010
@@ElliottDay-ok6ti i literally have 8 things permanently plugged at usb-a on my pc. you mac people eat anything they feed you.
@@ElliottDay-ok6ti you get nothing in return for sucking up to a company
@@ElliottDay-ok6ti wait so ur saying that the Mac studio with it's USB a ports is behind the times??? 😲
wow! This is totally brilliant! Even the entry level of this mini actually very good, I hope in the next generation of this mini they will include SD Card too, it would be very handy.
Looks like a *Mac Micro*
Loving the frequency of these uploads!
Thank you!
I purchased it the moment it came out.
Gosh! Damn!
😻
Nice! From what are you upgrading?
@@FaissalVeenhuizen Mac Mini M1 base model. Going for the same again. I do code and light graphical work, so never needed anything more than the base one. I really think most people probably fall into that category. We have to remember the folk that review computers in terms of power, are often producing high quality video footage, so there's a kind of vested interest in the higher spec stuff.
Having said that, Luke generally will buy a selection of Macs and pit them against each other, which is useful for those undecided.
The base model really is a no-brainer for many - I hardly even made my M1 mini struggle.
I use my PC to do more intensive stuff, such as LLM - but I'm interested to see how the M4 base model fairs compared with my beefed up PC.
@@matthewtrow5698 Nice. I'm still using my iMac 5K 27 inch Radeon Pro 580 8 GB 580 8 GB 4.2ghz i7 24GB ram from 6 years ago. Spent 3.2k on it so I will wait 2 years more to upgrade to a m6 I think
COOLEST sponsor segment ever! I am a huge Bambu Lab fan. They're truly the "Apple" of 3D Printing...
Really cute, but this really DRAGGING now, I just want to order my specced-to-oblivion Macbook M4 Pro 🤯
Might be tomorrow!
@@Jushwa yes, he also said that its tomorrow, i just hoped i could have ordered it monday. anyway, it doesnt matter, they all ship at the same time anyway next week haha
same. I am hoping it goes to 256gb RAM in the M4 Max
@@robertkozak haha that would be nuts. but though i am willing to splurge some of my wifes salary on this, i am not sure i would pay 20k for a laptop, which a 256 gb version probably would cost 😂😂
@@amarug I am assuming around 7K (not maxing our storage). Fingers crossed
I'm finally getting my very first Mac Mini for the home office setup. 😁
Folk : we want mini back
Apple: so let's Mac mini as mini
This was worth the wait. I love my m1 mac mini but this thing is insane.
The mac mini has always been the value choice, about time to upgrade my 2014 mac mini
Honestly superglue the top of the M4 Pro Mac Mini to the back of the Studio Display so the ports are facing sideways and you have the new iMac Pro
Honestly external ssd storage might be viable with this M4 Pro Mac.
Saying this is rated for 120 Gbps vs 40 Gbps this would mean we would have roughly 3x faster speeds.
So this is hitting a little above PCIE 4.0 SSD’s which are quite a bit faster than regular Mac ssd memory.
Yup just have to wait for thunderbolt 5 nvme enclosures
Precisely owned a Core i5 Mac mini from 2012-2024, finally going to get myself a M4 Mini next month for 🎄!
Apple just killed Studio.
Yeah 😂 ☠️
Don’t you mean the Mac Pro
Until the M4 Max and Ultra come out.
Yup, at least until they make studio with m4 ultra and 256gb ram
@@bjarne431 256GB would be nice for virtualization. Also, if you like to run LLM's mini can't compete with studio(and Mac pro) on GPU's.
At first, I was thinking that the power button placement was a dumb idea, but I'm thinking that if you're mounting this on the back of a monitor with the fans pointing away from the back of the monitor, then that power placement is probably perfect.
We were waiting for your opinion. And yes it means allot.
I'm still rocking my M1 Pro MBP14 and I think the base M4 will be more than capabale since I have absolutely no issues with speed on my M1 Pro. Sounds like a bargain for 599
base model is gonna sell like crazy.
Great talk about the new mini, Luke! Thanks!
Its still £200 for a measly 8GB RAM upgrade and another £200 for a measly 256GB SSD Upgrade in 2024 SHOCKING ! It's as if the advances in RAM and SSD technology and consequent price per GB decrease didn't happen on Apple world.
Apple fanboys will still justify it
Wow, interesting build. Nice review Luke.
The power button is on the bottom 😂
Nobody turns off a Mac. Just put it in sleep.
you only need to turn it on once lol
Can it be left On for months and years?
Its so that the magic mouse doesn't feel alone with its charging port on the bottom.
You sound like a windows user.
M4PRO 12 core , 64gig, 4TB is £3200. That best reflects my MacBook Pro M1Pro that cost £4000. I'm really impressed with the specs available on this thing. I'm not over worried about heat performance either given that I haven't heard the fans in this MacBook Pro more than once when was exporting a audio project and a screen flow project at the same time.
Don't you just love the Apple Incomprehens-igraphs?
For music production, the $599 version with 16Gb ram is an amazing deal.
That's more than enough for SoundCloud beats, but if you do anything remotely complicated, it's nowhere near enough.
@@NeptuneSegawhy wouldn’t it be good for complicated stuff as well? Last time I checked the base m1 was good enough for it. Audio production software didn’t get heavier in the last 4-5 years.. that’s not something that happens often in the audio production world.
Many sample based VSTs like Keyscape or NI Kontakt need both a lot of RAM and storage. You would not be able to install anything on internal 256GB SSD. You would need at least 1 or 2TB external SSD. For a Windows PC, 64GB of RAM is only $100 and 2TB SSD is about $150-180. That would be standard configuration for music production on Windows. I don't remember when I had a PC with 256GB SSD. 10 years ago probably.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf I never needed more than 16 on Apple silicon while using Kontakt, Specrasonics Libraries etc. I produce pop and not orchestras in which 64GB would come in handy. For any other genre 16 is the sweet spot!
11:09 definitely curious to see that comparison!
So my question is, How does the M4 Pro Mac Mini compare to each generation of the Mac Studio? Is there value and longevity to be had in an M1 Mac Studio?
I believe the Thunderbolt 5 ports are for 120Gbps for Hi-res monitor support, but only 80Gbps for external drives.
Finally it's the "mini" for real xD Been waiting for this since the M1 got announced
This Mac mini is insane. I'm a light user (currently using a base M2 mini).
I'd grab a new base M4 mini once it's confirmed they're still using 2 128GB nand. I wouldn't be interested if it still has the slow ssd mine currently has (about 1400-1500 mbps sequential read/write). M3 Macbook airs did have 128Gb nands so I'm optimistic.
Is there a chance you can include a Blackmagic disk speed test in your review? (or any ssd benchmark)
Addition of single user accessible storage slot will make Mac mini a perfect desktop. May be for future mac mini with m5.
This channel seems to be getting better with time!
Been going back and forth on a Mac Mini M2 Pro vs a Studio M2 Max. I thought the new Mini M4 Pro would be an obvious slam dunk, but I'm not so sure. Yes the M4 chip is a huge improvement. But the new Mini has 16 GPU vs 30 for the older M2 Max. You get 24GB of memory vs 32 on the Studio. If you upgrade to 1TB of storage, the M4 Pro is $1599 and the Studio M2 Max is $2199. But if you're a photographer (like me) you will need a SDXC card reader for the Mini while the Studio comes with one. That's something I use a lot.
I have no need for a Mac Mini, but I love that it exists.
Man this looks so cool, but 2TB SSD and 32GB of RAM takes it from $599 to $1799, and that still with base CPU and GPU.
LOOL apple tax lol
Luke, I'd live to see a video on the options for using my 5K Intel iMac as a monitor for this new Mac Mini. I know the 5K iMac doesn't support Target Mode. But there are other options as far as I am aware.
Yep!! I'm excited! I still rock my M1 Mini as a daily driver and it's still fast and awesome to use.
The incredible specs on the M4 Pro have made my decision and I'm buying one. I can't wait! My current M1 will be relegated to my home media server, and I will finally retire my old Corei7 mini (my current media server.)
I have been waiting very impatiently for this generation of Mini 🙂
Excellent video as always!
Would be interesting to see a comparison between an external TB5 Storage device (probably using NVME Gen 5 drives) vs. the internal storage (thinking of probably having external housings using several NVME drives utilizing the full TB5 bandwidth)
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Mac mini M4 Pro, for a person doing simple video editing (GoPro) which is desirable. Increase the memory from 24GB to 48GB or increase the CPU/GPU cores?
AWESOME! I'm excited! Pre-ordering now!
I am still using a Mac Studio with the M1 Max - Should I consider upgrading to this? I assume a new Mac Studio with M4Max is going to be three times as expensive. But to be honest - the M1Max is still serving me just fine.
Hey Luke.
Your production values have gotten way better. I like how you introduce sponsors and your musical choices.
Keep it up and I want those comparison videos.
That looks like a great little workload machine, unbeatable with that footprint
Could you please show us a comparison between Mac mini with “not pro” chips? Regular M1, M2 and M4?
Will the outdated mac studio receive an update later this year? Perhaps not, that might steal the buzz of the mac mini. So when would it be most realistic to release the M4/max/ultra or whatever they call it on the mac studio?
Great video. One of your best.
Loving this update, will be seriously considering this for my next office machine.
I’m really curious how the M4 Pro mini stacks up against the M2 Max Studio. If it’s similar in terms of performance, but at the same price, you could get more storage/memory, that alone would be a great value
Assuming that the M4 Max keeps the existing M4 trend, the line up looks much better than the previous M series especially the M3. The M3 added a lot of great stuff and performance, but the memory bandwidth and options were a mess.
The M4 has a nice memory bandwidth bump and RAM options that are not bad. I think misses were not having 6P/4E or 6E option and 48GB to 64GB RAM options. If the M4 had RAM options of the M4 Pro and the M4 Pro were bumped a bit, I think the line up would be even more attractive.
M4 Pro finally feels like a chip in the middle of the line up. The specs were way off with the M1 Pro and M2 Pro compared to their Max counterparts and the M3 was better except the memory bandwidth was downgraded to 150GB/s and the RAM options were perplexing. The M4 Pro memory bandwidth jumps to 273GB/s which is is the fastest in the Pro line up. I think the only real miss for the M4 Pro is not having AV1 encoding as it would have made a nice distinction between the M4 and the M4 Pro given the Pro is aimed more at content creators.
I have to comment on my normal negatives. Apple purposefully cripling technology to create feature benefits is just bad, it is fustrating, and it’s sad to me that they do this to make different models more compelling rather than adding real features to make them more compelling. i.e. A cheap SD reader that doesn;t even offer 2 year old performance is not an impressive feature.
There are two Thunderbolt controller so there should be 4 DisplayPort channels which means 4 monitors should be supported. Of course the monitor limitation is a limitation Apple is purposefully injecting into their prodiucts given that DP 1.2 added support for Multi-Stream Transport (MST) in 2010 and Apple is still disabling that feature for marketing. This is worse than the missing Calculator in iPadOS. The missing calculator was likely developer and/or management arrogance and/or incompetence and the monitor issue is likely money driven. It likely costs Apple more to disable MST than it would to support it and if it was just a software issue, someone would have written something to enable MST, which is completely different than DisplayLink which also doesn;t work well on Macs, but works great on PCs.
Also, as always their RAM and Storage prices are outrageous.
If you get a pro model will you test to see if it throttles under load(gaming for example)?
Might be my next move when my PC days are over, which I am thinking about with W11-Recall privacy issues and Chrome killing adblockers.
LUKE... they specific mentioned about Xcode and LLMs. They know that a lot of Mac devs, who like to work at home and don't need MBPs can buy this.
Apple include AI assistant in to Xcode, also there is a lot of Ollama or LM Studio solutions with third party LLMs for local use.
In my opinnion Apple is trying to give what a lot of devs want, small Mac with huge power for less than MBP.
I'm one of them and for me Mini with M4Pro, 64GB and 2TB looks like dream machine for less than 2/3 what I paid for my M1Max MBP in 2021.
In my usecases M4Pro could be 2-3 times faster than my current M1Max.
Thanks for keeping me up to date( for years now! what would I do without you?) They have got to do better on their price points!
Done ! My replacement of my 2010 Mac mini used as a media center connected to my home cinema AV receiver and TV comes 11/08 i took 10-Core CPU 10-Core GPU 24GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD & 10Gb Ethernet. The timing is just perfect New 4 K Oled Tv and new AV receiver changed last summer. Now with this Mac mini HDMI allows 8K resolution at 60Hz or 4K resolution at 240Hz perfect for all my movies on my home server. The price in Belgium for my order is 1 524,00 € all taxes included. 🤯I hope it will last 14 years like my last Mac mini.
Of all the new M4 devices, the base model Mac Mini definitely deserves alot of recognition. I prefer building desktop pcs myself but even I gotta say that this is spicing up to be a good competition against x86 desktop pcs. Does it go well with 96-109 dpi monitors?
How much more efficient will the M4 Pro over M2 Max?
What a real game changer would be, would be a „Rosetta for windows apps“.
As a design engineer, who uses PTC software, I am stuck to windows boxes.
If Apple would offer a way to run those programs on Mac, I would switch my whole department immediately.
( and no, running a second „OS“ in parallels is not an option).
this thing is crazy. can’t wait for the macbooks